1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Hello Bessie's Hello Sunshine. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we're talking to writer and 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: professor sc Pirot. She set out on a mission to 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: rediscover joy after a painful chapter in her life. Her 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: journey back to happiness was sparked by an unexpected source, 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: none other than pop icon Harry Styles. Tune in for 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: a story of healing, music and the power of joy. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: It's Monday, March third. I'm Simone Boyce. 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robey, and this is the bright Side from 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine. 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: On my Mind. Monday is brought to you by Laurel Paris. Okay, 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: you know what time it is, Yes, ma'am. What's on 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: your mind today? Simone? Okay? Well, I got to give 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: a shout out to my man, Happy King, Arthur C. Brooks. 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: You know we love him. On the bright Side, so 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: he recently wrote a piece for The Atlantic called The 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Benefit of Doing Things You're Bad at And as you 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: can imagine, it's all about embracing phil here. 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so bad at this? 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: Why why are you? Why do you say that? 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: I am such I don't even like to use the 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: word perfectionist, but I am. I hate doing things I'm 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: bad at I love being good at things, and I 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: just find it so difficult to do things you're bad at, 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: especially if you don't love them. 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I know this is hard for you 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: because you are good at a lot of things. I'm not, actually, 28 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: and I know you like to be good at a 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: lot of things. But when is the last time that 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: you felt like you did something that you were bad at? 31 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,279 Speaker 1: Really out of my depth? Yeah, a few things. 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: One I feel really out of my depth in the kitchen, 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: and I feel embarrassed that I'm out of my depth 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: there because I feel like I should. 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: Be good at it. 36 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: And also anything that has to do with drawing. When 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: the last time you felt out of your depth? 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you should ask, because I recently started 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: taking singing lessons and I'm doing it with my friend Liz, 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: and it is so much fun to do it together. 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, we are so bad. Our 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: first duet to use a word that I know you'll appreciate, Danielle, 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: was cacoffiness. Okay, it was surprisingly know that word. You 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: know this word? Yes, true sacking, But I love this 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: for you. What sparks this? Liz and I have always 46 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: been like, we don't want to work together because we 47 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: don't want to ruin our friendship because we've seen so 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: many friendships do that, right, like where you like go 49 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: you start working with someone and then you know, you 50 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: start fighting, things get messy, YadA YadA. But we love 51 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: like trying new things together, and so this year we 52 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of made this commitment where we're just like, we're 53 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: we're just going to follow the fun, right, Like there's 54 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: no stakes here, there's no we're not doing this for 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: any reason or for a job or anything. We're just 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: doing it for fun. And after our first class, we 57 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: both walked out feeling so empowered. There were so many 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: benefits to it, Like first of all, all that great 59 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: breath work that you get during singing, true it makes 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: you feel so grounded in your body afterwards. And then 61 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: there's also just something incredibly freeing about just letting yourself 62 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: be awful at something and having a great time doing it. 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think this is so fun and I'm so 64 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: glad you shared this because I think it's inspiring. Yeah, 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: how so, I think it's a domino effect, Like to 66 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: do things as an adult that you did as a 67 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: kid is really really sol fulfilling if you can carve 68 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: out the time for it. I remember after the Olympics 69 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: this last summer, there was a spike in adult gymnastics 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: sign ups, like for classes. 71 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I almost did it. 72 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: I love gymnastics as a kid, and it's like, I 73 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: just didn't carve out the time. So the fact that 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: you did carve out the time and you're doing it 75 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: with a friend, I think is so cool. 76 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: Well, honestly, all of this kind of ties right into 77 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: what Arthur Brooks was saying in that article. I mean, 78 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: his whole point is that doing something you're bad at 79 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: can actually make you better at things you're good at. 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: That's the part that I wasn't expecting. So what does 81 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: he mean. Well, if you're trying to be great at 82 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: a certain skill, he suggests you should flunk on something else. Like, 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: for example, a recent study of baseball players, they looked 84 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: at skilled pitchers, people who are typically poor hitters. They 85 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: were given batting practice, so they were, you know, kind 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: of placed out of their comfort zone and placed into 87 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: this new area where they where they felt this pressure 88 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: to excel, and then when they underperformed, scholars found that 89 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: the frustration that came from that inferior performance actually led 90 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: them to be more driven to improve their pitching. So 91 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: it's almost it's almost counterintuitive, but it's like it's circular. 92 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: I wonder what that is though, right, Yeah, that is 93 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: so strange. I do say, I think I can relate 94 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: on a surface level. I don't quite understand that study 95 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: because I'm like, what is being in the outfield have 96 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: to do with hitting? But if the King Arthur Brooks 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: says it, I believe him. But I do think that 98 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: if I feel writer's block or a creative block at all, 99 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: it's the only thing that gets my creative juice is going. 100 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: Is if I get out of that mode, I have 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: to go for a run or do something totally different, 102 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: go to the ocean, have a fun day, everything that 103 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: you think you're not supposed to do. 104 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: Here's my theory. My theory is that failing in one 105 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: area where there's no stakes for you, there's less pressure 106 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: that sort of releases that pressure valve around the fear 107 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: of failure. And then I think releasing that pressure valve 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: and releasing yourself from the fear of failure actually facilitates 109 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: success in the area that you already excel in does 110 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: that make sense? That makes total sense? 111 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: I agree. 112 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: Well, I gotta tell you, these singing lessons have brought 113 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: me so much joy. It's got me thinking about how 114 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: do I infuse my life with more joy? And when 115 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: I think about people who know how to do that, well, 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: I think about my friend sc Pro, who is today's 117 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: guest ess and I met at group therapy camp, which 118 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: I have spoken about a lot on this show, but 119 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring her here on the show and 120 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: introduce her to you. Guys are besties because she has 121 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: this wild story about how she found joy after this 122 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: truly crushing, devastating period of grief. So in twenty twenty two, 123 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: sc went through this horrible divorce and no matter what 124 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: kind of coping mechanisms she tried, she just couldn't pull 125 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: herself out of that darkness. 126 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: And that's where her story takes an unexpected turn. All 127 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to say is that Harry Styles is at 128 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: the center of it all. 129 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: You're onto something there, Danielle. Her new book, Styles of Joy, 130 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: lays out this framework that we can all use to 131 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: find joy. And this is the same path that she 132 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: used to discover joy after going to seventeen Harry Styles 133 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: Concerts seventeen. We're going to break this all down for 134 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: you in the interview. At the end of the day, 135 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that all of us have the means 136 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: or the time to pack up our lives and go 137 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: on tour with an artist and go to seventeen concerts. 138 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: But it's all about just leaning into the unexpected, all right, Chelle. 139 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: After the break our conversation with Scproro. 140 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: Thanks to our partners at Loriel Paris, because you're worth it. 141 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: From skincare to hair care and everything in between. Loriel 142 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: Paris delivers expert back beauty that empowers confidence. Discover your 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: perfect beauty routine at loriel PARISUSA dot com. 144 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to the bright Side, sc Proro, Thank you 145 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: so much for having me, Essie. This has been a 146 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: long time coming. I was so profoundly moved by this book, 147 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: and I was just so inspired by your journey to joy. 148 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: So that's what we're going to get into today. Your 149 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: new book, Styles of Joy, chronicles this unexpected path to 150 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: discovering joy after overcoming insurmountable grief. You actually mentioned joy 151 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: over six hundred and fifty times in this book. Isn't 152 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: that wild. 153 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: I love that fact. 154 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: But before we get into how you rediscovered joy, we 155 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: really have to start with how you lost track of it. 156 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: So will you take us back to twenty twenty two. 157 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: You described that as the time when your life truly 158 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: fell apart. 159 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: So I was navigating all of a sudden, so many 160 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: life changes at once. I think everyone can relate to 161 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 4: how disruptive the pandemic was for all of us. And 162 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: we all were navigating that grief process. And I also 163 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: stopped practicing big law, and I got out of the 164 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 4: wrong marriage, kind of all back to back. And I 165 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: say to people all the time, anyone that thinks divorce 166 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: is solely about two people is completely mistaken. You know, 167 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 4: I lost an entire family, a whole group of friends, 168 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 4: my house, my dog, let alone, my partner. 169 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: The way that you wrote about divorce in your book 170 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: really illuminated this experience for me because I've never been 171 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: through it before. But the way that you retell your 172 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: experience helped me really understand what other people are going through. 173 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: You write that divorce is inherently lonely. Quote. My therapist 174 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: told me that even if I spent the rest of 175 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: my life recounting every single detail, going over every exchange 176 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: word she still could never and would never fully understand 177 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: because she hadn't lived it. 178 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: I think it's lonely for so many reasons. 179 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: You know. It's that line that you just said that 180 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: even if you spind and spin your wheels and try 181 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 4: to explain how you got there and how you're feeling now, 182 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: no one's walking it we you. And I think the 183 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: especially lonely element of that is that the closest person 184 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: to this heartbreak is now the furthest person away. The 185 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 4: one person that might be able to relate to what 186 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 4: you're feeling is offline because of the nature of the situation, 187 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, all these people that I 188 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 4: had so unabashedly woven into my life, you know, I 189 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 4: lost a bonus mom, a bonus dad, a bonus sister, 190 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 4: a bonus brother. I lost my nieces. I was grappling 191 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,239 Speaker 4: with whether I was still an aunt, you know, and 192 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 4: it was so heartbreaking in. 193 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: So many ways. 194 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: And I write in the book that all of a sudden, 195 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 4: all these people in my life were on this kind 196 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 4: of like mental subcategory of people I cared about called 197 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 4: send good vibes, not text messages, you know, suddenly all 198 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: these people I loved were offline, and that was really 199 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: difficult to wrap my head around. And you can't move 200 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: forward unless you know where you are to go, and 201 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: that's a really lonely road too, And especially because I 202 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 4: was navigating a career pivot at the same time. I mean, 203 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: it was okay, where what are we building? Back brick 204 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 4: by brick in This New Life. 205 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: In the book, you talk about some of the things 206 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: that you did to try to cope. You rite that 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: they weren't really helping. At what point did you realize 208 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: you needed to make a major shift. 209 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: There were days I tried everything I knew to do. 210 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: You know. 211 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 4: I was journaling, doing yoga, walking, talking to my lawyers, 212 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: crying of friends and family, browsing in the self help section. 213 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: I mean, like you name it, I was. I was 214 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 3: throwing it all at the wall. 215 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 4: I was processing everything I was going through by going 216 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: on these long walks around the Town Lake Trail in 217 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 4: downtown Austin, Texas, which is where I was living at 218 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 4: the time. And I remember vividly typing good Energy in 219 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: on Spotify one day on these long walks because it 220 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: was like a cry for help to the algorithm. I'm like, 221 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: can we get some good energy up in here? It 222 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 4: is pretty grim, and I tell people all the time, 223 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: I'm like, and that's the saddest part of the story. 224 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: We are on our way up. 225 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: So everybody listening get ready to go on an adventure, 226 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: because this is where it really gets fun. You got 227 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: some help from this unexpected source, a world famous pop 228 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: star Harry Styles and his latest album, Harry's House. 229 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: Spotify fed me a playlist called Good Energy, and I 230 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: was like, oh, click, that's exactly what I want. And 231 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: Harry styles third album, Harry's House, came out two days 232 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 4: after I told my ex husband I wanted a divorce. 233 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: So the new music was sprinkled throughout this Good Energy 234 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: playlist and that's where the story begins. 235 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: So what was it about that album, that music that 236 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: really clicked within you? Like, what was it that caused 237 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: that shift? 238 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: I would like to get a wholehearted shout out to 239 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: a particular song music for a sushi restaurant. 240 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's got one in particular. 241 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 4: I heard that song and I was on one of 242 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 4: my long walks and I was like, wait a second, 243 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 4: this is this is a tear dryer. This song is 244 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: a banger, and I all of a sudden, was seeking 245 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 4: that song out specifically. Now, music for a Sushi Restaurant 246 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: is perfectly situated as track one to start the entire 247 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: Harry's House album. So that's really how this started is 248 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: I was queueing up that good Vibe one song, and 249 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I was like, Harry Styles. I've 250 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 4: never really listened to Harry Styles. You know, I joke 251 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 4: I was a little too old for the one direction days. 252 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 4: I'm an in sync Backstreet Boys girly and I'm like, 253 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: Harry Styles, Okay, what else? 254 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: What else does this guy got? 255 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 4: Then I'm listening to just Harry's House, and I think 256 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: it's worth mentioning that it might be helpful for anyone 257 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 4: going through a breakup or a divorce or anything to 258 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 4: find something new. You know, this album, I had no 259 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: memories attached to it. It was just this fresh kind 260 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 4: of new energy in addition to being good energy. And 261 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 4: so I'm listening to that album and then I'm like, 262 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 4: wait a second, they're two more. It was like an 263 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: unwrapped Christmas present to find an artist that you loved 264 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: that I had never paid attention to. And you know, 265 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: fast forward I I'm really jumping ahead, but I saw 266 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 4: his show seventeen times in five countries and travel with 267 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: strangers I met along the way and had an entire 268 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: Harry Styles eat Prey love adventure, and that's what inspired 269 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: the book. 270 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: So I love you and your story so much because 271 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: on the one hand, you're this You're this like serious person. 272 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: You're like a serious lawyer and a serious professor at Vanderbilt, 273 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: and you went through some serious stuff. You got a 274 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: divorce during the pandemic, and you moved cities, like that's 275 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: all serious life transition stuff. But on the other hand, 276 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: this book is deeply unserious. If I'm allowed to say that, 277 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, like, we're talking about fangirling over a pop star. 278 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: So where are you at with wrapping your head around 279 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: that irony? 280 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,239 Speaker 4: I think it's really so exciting to just unabashedly reconcile 281 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 4: the two. Where did this narrative come from? That serious 282 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 4: lawyers also can't be super fans? Yes, why can't people 283 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: in academia also love something wholeheartedly? I'm so passionate about 284 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: exploring this dynamic of the stigma around being a fangirl 285 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: in general, because I do think it's so gender. You 286 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 4: know what's interesting is in the middle of the night 287 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: one night, I was like, I wonder how many games 288 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: any NFL team plays per season? Because I was thinking, like, 289 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: what if someone healed post of Wars, a man healed 290 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 4: post divorce by going to every single game of their 291 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: favorite NFL team. You know what the number is? Seventeen. 292 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: I started laughing so hard. I was like, it is 293 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 4: the exact number of shows I went to. And I 294 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 4: was like, that's so wild. But there's such an interesting, 295 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 4: I think gender element there. When this book was going 296 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: under legal review, I got to call one of my 297 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: former bosses and she's this total powerhouse partner at this 298 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 4: big firm and she's just the coolest and she got 299 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 4: on the phone with me. I had no idea. She 300 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: was like the ultimate Madonna superfan. She's like, I've seen 301 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: her thirty five times. I took two weeks off work 302 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 4: to be a showrunner for her Super Bowl halftime performance 303 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 4: years ago, and she said, this is the manifesto for 304 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: people like us who have a passion and get so 305 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: much flak for it, particularly in a male dominated workplace. Oh, 306 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 4: she's going to another Madonna show and she's like, you know, 307 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: what yeah, I am because I work super hard and 308 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 4: this brings me more joy than anything in the world. 309 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: And I'm not sorry. 310 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: You're so right, Like I so relate to this because 311 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: when I worked in news, I often felt like I 312 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: had to present a certain way, like I had to 313 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: be maintain this like straight laced news anchor persona, and 314 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: if I didn't, then my authority would be in question. 315 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: But it's such like a false binary that we've created, 316 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: and it doesn't serve us. When I saw Gail King 317 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: on the cover of Sports Illustrated, you know, at her 318 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: ripe age wearing this bikini in Mexico, looking super hot 319 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: and sexy, I was like, you know what, hell yeah, 320 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: hell yeah, she can do that, and she can go 321 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: on the news and she can tell us what's happening 322 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: in our world. 323 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: Es see, I want to hear more about that joy 324 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: that you're talking about. So you walk into this first 325 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: Harry Styles show and what happens, Like, what about that 326 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: experience sparked so much in you? 327 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: Interestingly, the first show was not that great. I think 328 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 4: people might expect. Oh, I saw one show. The rest 329 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: is history, Joy rediscovered, I gallivanted, and I was healed 330 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 4: That's really not how it went at all. I had 331 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 4: been listening to Harry Styles all day, every day, for which, 332 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 4: for the record, I don't even know how much I 333 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 4: was aware of that fact. You know, I was in 334 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: such intense grief that I kind of kept hitting play 335 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 4: on what I knew was working. But by the time 336 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 4: I got to this show, you know, I was there 337 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 4: with an acquaintance who invited me, and I kind of 338 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 4: was like, you know what, I will step outside of 339 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 4: my comfort zone. I had never previously been a fan 340 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: of big crowds. I would have told you I liked 341 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 4: live music, but the previous time I had traveled in 342 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 4: quotes for a show was forty minutes. Forty five minutes. 343 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I was not the fangirl, you know, archetype, 344 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, I'm in this ocean of 345 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: inside jokes, Like people are doing choreography that is fan created. 346 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 4: People are, you know, holding up signs that make no 347 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: sense to a newcomer. You know, this is some deep subculture, 348 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 4: hardcore fandom at work. Everyone seemed to have a handbook 349 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 4: for this experience. And I'm thinking, I listened to a 350 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 4: lot of Harry's music. How do I not know what's 351 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 4: going on, and it made me so curious. So I 352 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 4: did these deep dives on TikTok and Instagram, and all 353 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 4: of a sudden, I already had an invite to a 354 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 4: second show to sit in the nosebleeds with all my 355 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 4: best girlfriends. And by the time I was at the 356 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 4: second show, I was like, Okay, so that's his drummer 357 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: down there, and she's married to the guitar player and 358 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: they met through the band. 359 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: Isn't that cute. 360 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 4: It was like, the more I learned, the more I liked, 361 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 4: and I realized that Harry Styles is the ted Lasso 362 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 4: of the music industry. I mean, it's all kindness. It 363 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: is the sweetest culture. 364 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 3: You know. 365 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 4: You come for Harry and you stay for the fans. 366 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 4: I think is a great way to put it. 367 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: I love the way that you who approached each one 368 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: of these concerts and your conversations with the fans that 369 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: you met there. You actually almost treated it like an investigation, 370 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: not just an investigation into the fandom, but also introspectively, 371 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: like turning the questions in the lens on yourself. You 372 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: were asking yourself these hard hitting questions about joy, like 373 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: what is joy? Who has it? Who doesn't? Is it big? 374 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: Is it small? Is it permanent? Is it fleeting? What 375 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: did you learn from other fans through your investigation? 376 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 4: It was so inspiring to me because I was new 377 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: to this world and I'm meeting people who have they've 378 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 4: been They've been in the Harry Styles orbit for thirteen years, 379 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: and I was wondering, you know, what does this mean 380 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: to you? I can tell you what this means to me, 381 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 4: but it's hard to pick a favorite. 382 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 3: You know. 383 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 4: I met a mother daughter duo outside of the Kia Forum. 384 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 4: I offered to take their photo. They offered to take 385 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 4: mine in front of this Harry Styles backdrop. I've talked 386 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 4: to them almost every single day since January of twenty 387 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: twenty three, like we are super close friends. They're driving 388 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 4: several hours to see me on book tour. We've gone 389 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 4: to other concerts together. One of my greatest takeaways about 390 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 4: joy is the relationship between joy and judgment. 391 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: You know. 392 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 4: That was a huge takeaway from me. And the opposite 393 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: of joyful is not joyless. It's judgmental, you know. I 394 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 4: write that so often we judge the what when we 395 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: don't know the why. 396 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: I was getting mean. 397 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 4: Dms have you lost your mind, what the hell are 398 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 4: you doing? And on and on, and I just was 399 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 4: so grateful for these experiences and what they were doing 400 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 4: for me that it made me look around those concerts 401 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: and wonder, what does this mean to other people in 402 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: this room? And that really inspired this curiosity that you 403 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 4: alluded to. 404 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: Was there a turning point for you? When did you 405 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: discover you were coming out of your grief. 406 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: Harry has a song called Sign of the Times, and 407 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 4: the lyrics are stop your crying baby, It'll be all right. 408 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 4: And I had heard that song several times, but that 409 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: lyric just didn't land yet because I just I was like, no, 410 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 4: I'm in the thick of it, you know, I'm not 411 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 4: feeling like it's time to kind of stop this grief, 412 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 4: which is what that lyric kind of sounded like to me. 413 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: But all of a sudden, we're at the final show. 414 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 4: I'm I'm with someone I met in a bathroom line 415 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: who had extra tickets, and I'm hearing Harry Styles saying, 416 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 4: stop your crying baby, It'll be all right, at the 417 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 4: biggest show of his career, at the end of this adventure, 418 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 4: and the sky's opened up and it started pouring rain, 419 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 4: at the same time, the fireworks are all going off. 420 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 3: It was not in the forecast. 421 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 4: It was this total freak thing, and I mean everyone 422 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 4: is losing it. It was the most cinematic moment of 423 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 4: my entire life. And as people are splashing and screaming 424 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 4: and pulling out their phones and dancing and like in 425 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 4: total shock, you know, I'm standing there as still as 426 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 4: a statue, and all of a sudden, I had this 427 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 4: of Oh, I did it, and I ran this race. 428 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: And that was about thirteen months post separation, and it 429 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 4: really felt like my life can be bifurcated into you know, 430 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: pre Wimbley in the rain and post Wimbley in the rain. 431 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 4: And it was such a turning point for me, the 432 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 4: biggest show, the biggest crescendo. I was leaving the next 433 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: day to go back to the States after this unexpected 434 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 4: thirty days with hardly anything with me and traveling with 435 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 4: strangers and kind of rolling with it and having this 436 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 4: unexpected journey. And it's called the finale in the book 437 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 4: for multiple reasons. 438 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: So you said that you can't explain why it was 439 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: that that moment was so transformative, But I just want 440 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: to probe a little bit further, like, why do you think, 441 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: why was it that moment that changed everything? 442 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 4: I think it's because I was in this season of 443 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 4: such identity stripping. I was no longer a lawyer, I 444 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 4: was no longer a wife, I was no longer a 445 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 4: daughter in law, sister in law, and you know, I 446 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 4: was no longer So and So's neighbor. You know, so 447 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 4: many identities in my life were changing or getting stripped away. 448 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 4: I think one of those transformative elements of going to 449 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: these concerts is that the vast majority of them, I 450 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 4: was an anonymous stranger in a crowd, and it's like 451 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: I had the interest to go even further in the 452 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 4: context of identity stripping. So if all these things that 453 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 4: I that were billed as mattering so much, career and 454 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 4: being married and all these things, if all that's gone, 455 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 4: but now no one knows or cares where I'm from, 456 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 4: what I do or used to do, where I went 457 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 4: to school or didn't, what I have or don't have, 458 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: or know, or who I don't know, None of it matters, 459 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 4: and everything fades away. It made me ask myself, who 460 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 4: am I in every single room I walk into? And 461 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: I think I was beginning to really reap the benefit 462 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: of that level of introspection. I had begun to be really, 463 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: really thoughtful and reflective about just the value of these 464 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 4: experiences and how they bullied my spirits and really what 465 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: I learned again about kindness and identity and joy and grief. 466 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 4: And so it was the most cinematic curtain call of 467 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 4: this story when he's singing, stop your crying, baby, It'll 468 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: be all right. And I'm with these strangers that I 469 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 4: met in a bathroom, you know, like with dancing with 470 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 4: women from all over the world, as these fireworks are 471 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: going off in Wimbley, the most iconic venue in his 472 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 4: home country, and it was just this wash. 473 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 3: Of deep peace. 474 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: And I write in the book that there's no such 475 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 4: thing as a grief guillotine. 476 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't just end. 477 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 4: It's not like you turn a light back on in 478 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: life when you're ready to live in color again and 479 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 4: no longer in black and white. But it's like it's 480 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 4: on a patient dimmer where slowly the lights are coming 481 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 4: back on, and it marks the pivot from saying I 482 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: know I'm going to be okay, or I'm going to 483 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 4: be okay, and it's such a slight shift into actually 484 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 4: I am okay, Yeah, And for me, that moment was 485 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 4: that shift. 486 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 2: It's time for another short break, but we'll be right 487 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: back to our conversation with sc Proroh, and we're back 488 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: with sc PROO. 489 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: As I think about the identity stripping that you mentioned 490 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: and I look back on my own life, I think 491 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: the greatest blessing of aging has been the realization that 492 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: becoming the process of becoming is not about adding. It's 493 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: about subtracting, and it's about liberating yourself from the judgment 494 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: from your own doubts. That's so powerful. It feels like 495 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: in that moment you fully allowed yourself to like reset 496 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: and accept where you were. 497 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 4: In that moment absolutely, and there was going back to 498 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 4: this theme of judgment. There was such a point of 499 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: pride for me that I was trusting my instincts. I mean, 500 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: former me would be like, sorry, what are. 501 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: We doing right? 502 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 3: And I'm like you, no, we're rolling with it. 503 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 4: And again it's it's made me so passionate about joy 504 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 4: in whatever form it shows up in our lives, because 505 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 4: so often it doesn't. I am now like a fangirl 506 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 4: for fans, Like if you're a big fan of something, 507 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 4: I'm like I will ride or die for that thing. 508 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 3: You say, Renaissance fairs. 509 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, pass me a turkey, like baby, let's roll 510 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 4: like I let's go oh, Star Wars, online forums, these 511 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 4: things are important, and I'll be I'll be honest. I 512 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 4: used to judge Disney adults. I didn't get it. I'm like, 513 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 4: where are you going to Disney without kids? I don't 514 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: get it? And I asked a friend of mine. I said, 515 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 4: all right, can you explain this Disney adult thing to me? 516 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: And she said, you know, a couple of years ago, 517 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 4: I lost my dad to cancer, and Disney is where 518 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: we have all of our best family memories. And I 519 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 4: go back to Disney to feel closest to my dad. 520 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, so often we judge the what when 521 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 4: we don't know the why. And we never know what 522 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 4: difficult walks someone is walking, you know, we never know 523 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 4: the role that music, or a sports team, or a 524 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: certain hobby or passion. We don't know what function that's 525 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: playing in their life. And I just invite a listener 526 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: to think about being not only gentler with other people 527 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 4: about passions and hobbies and interests, but also learning how 528 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: to give yourself grace is such an amazing practice as well. 529 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 4: I so easily could have been like, all right, sc 530 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 4: you've lost your damn mind because you have a cardboard 531 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: cutout of a pop star in your house. 532 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: You've lost it. 533 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 4: But you know what, that cardboard cutout of Harry Styles 534 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 4: made me laugh harder for the six months that I 535 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 4: owned it with my friends. It gave me more joy 536 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: because it was so ridiculous. And if something is not 537 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 4: harming you or anyone else, I say, let's go. 538 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: I like the idea. 539 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: I am curious where you're at with it now in hindsight, Like, 540 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: will you be going to more Harry Styles concerts in 541 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: the future. 542 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. 543 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 4: There is nothing in life I am looking forward to 544 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 4: more than Harry's Next to her, I truly cannot wait. 545 00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: Amazing. 546 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: Asked about what. 547 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: Was it was? 548 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: It came for Harry, stayed for the fans, and you know, 549 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: I want to give Harry's Styles a lot of credit 550 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 4: for so. I teach in the human and organizational development 551 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 4: at Vanderbilt University, and if you ask me, what's the 552 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: overlap between what you learned at these Hairy Styles concerts 553 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: and what you teach your students. Is a concept that 554 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 4: I would call psychological safety. When people feel safe to 555 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 4: be themselves. Data shows that the most beautiful things result. 556 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 4: There's openness, kindness, confidence, and all these things. And it's 557 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: something we talk about as a department, is how can 558 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: we make students feel comfortable to share in class, knowing 559 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 4: their opinions are valuable and so forth. And when I 560 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 4: heard that phrase when I started teaching at the university, 561 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 4: I thought, Oh, that's the secret sauce at a hairy 562 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 4: concert is people feel safe to be creative and zany 563 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 4: and funny and emotional. People feel free to cry at 564 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 4: the barricade to their favorite song that has moved them 565 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: for who knows what reason. And I think that's really 566 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 4: really powerful and worth mentioning. Harry Styles says, at every concert, 567 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 4: I hope you feel you can be in this room 568 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 4: who you've always wanted to be. What a beautiful invitation 569 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 4: that you can show up and be yourself. 570 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: Well, after all that you experienced, does see all the 571 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: changes you made to your life, all the concerts, all 572 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: the bathroom conversations, you created this framework for finding joy. 573 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: And the framework is cultivate, adopt, protect, spread. With the 574 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: time that we have left in this conversation, I want 575 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: to focus on adopting. What I love about the way 576 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: that you laid out this framework is that you punctuate 577 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: each phase with this series of truly magical questions. And 578 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: there's a question that really stuck out to me in 579 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: the adopt section, and you said, are you internalizing other victories, joys, 580 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: and wins and allowing them to bring you joy to 581 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: are you making others joy your own in a time 582 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 1: where some people are finding it hard to cultivate joy. 583 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: Can you give us a roadmap as to how we 584 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: can adopt the joy of others as our own. 585 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 4: In a season of such significant loss, My spirits were 586 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 4: so buoyed by watching other people succeed and have fun 587 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 4: and so forth. And I introduced this idea of joy 588 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 4: in the wild and looking for joy in the wild, because, 589 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 4: like you said, sometimes cultivating joy in your own life 590 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 4: can feel like a challenge. You know, maybe grief is 591 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 4: your barrier to that, or whatever hardship it may be 592 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 4: for me. I started looking very closely at the world 593 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 4: around me in this season of rebuilding, and I found 594 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 4: that the more keenly observant I was, especially out in public, 595 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: the happier I was so. For example, at these Harry 596 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 4: Styles concerts, I'm looking at strangers offering to take each 597 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 4: other's photos. And my favorite example is girls were tying 598 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 4: together feather boas to make one giant feather boa and 599 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 4: they were using it to jump rope with strangers to 600 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 4: kill time before a concert started. And I was sitting 601 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: there and I was like, there, it is joy in 602 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 4: the wild. 603 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: You know. 604 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 4: The other day I was in Trader Joe's and I 605 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: could tell it was two best friends grocery shopping together, 606 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 4: and they went aisle by aisle with their carts side 607 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 4: by side, and they were commentating, have you tried those crackers? 608 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 3: Have you tried that? 609 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: Wait? 610 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 4: This hummus is the best, And didn't. I wasn't trying 611 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 4: to eavesdrop, but I could tell that, like that's what 612 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 4: they were doing. And they were laughing, and they were 613 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 4: like product recommending and they were having the best time. 614 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 4: They We were kind of on the same schedule, I guess, 615 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 4: because I saw them in the parking lot. 616 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 3: Their cars were parked side by side. They gave each 617 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 3: other the biggest bear hugs after they loaded their cars 618 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 3: with their respective groceries. And I was sitting there and 619 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 3: I was like, I was having the worst day, and 620 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 3: I thought to myself, there it is joy in the 621 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 3: wild A friendship date to Trader Joe's. So again, when 622 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 3: cultivating joy in. 623 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 4: Your own life feels like a bit of a stretch, 624 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 4: you know that, And that's something I can relate to. 625 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 4: That really was so life giving, and after I've trained 626 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 4: my eye to look for it, it's such a contagious 627 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 4: way to live. 628 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: And that speaks to the power of finding joy in 629 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: the mundane too. Joy doesn't have to look like, you know, 630 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: an extravagant trip to Europe to go see a concert 631 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: for people who don't have the means, let's say, but 632 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: it's all around us if we train our to look, 633 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: which is what you're saying. 634 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely in the spirit of sharing joy, You've created Joy Hotline, 635 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: which is a place for people to call in and 636 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: share their moments of joy. What are some of the 637 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: great things that people have called in to share? 638 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 4: I am so glad you asked. I started the Joy 639 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 4: Hotline this past summer. I was teaching a class for 640 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 4: Vanderbilt and New York City and I had this idea 641 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 4: as I was thinking about the big question, what brings 642 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 4: you joy? 643 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: Why is that simple question so challenging for people to answer. 644 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 4: I'm so surprised by how often people say, I don't 645 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 4: know what brings me joy, and I don't know what 646 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 4: I like anymore. So I thought, you know what, let's 647 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 4: pull the people. So I made thousands of stickers and 648 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 4: put them all over New York with the Joy Hotline 649 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 4: phone number, and it says what brings you joy? And 650 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 4: I was shocked by how many voicemails I got. I 651 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 4: thought people would just text it. And one of my favorites, 652 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 4: this girl, called in and she said, Hey, I just 653 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 4: found your sticker in Madison Square Park. And what brings 654 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 4: me joy is Brazilian music and when my mom's really happy. 655 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 4: I also love that feeling when you're at a party 656 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 4: and you look around and no one's on their phone 657 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 4: because people are deeply present. And I also love catching 658 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 4: up with old friends. And anyway, thank you so much 659 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 4: for giving me a reason to reflect on joy. Thanks 660 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 4: Joy Hotline. 661 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 3: I mean it just melted me. 662 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 4: And one of my other favorites someone said this week, 663 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 4: I trained my dog to smile in this really goofy 664 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 4: picture of their dog with the cheesiest smile. And one 665 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 4: of my other favorite voicemails. It was two Vanderbilt girls, 666 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 4: because the stickers are all over Vanderbilt too, And this 667 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 4: girl goes, Hey, Joy hotline. What brings me joy is 668 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: walking to Dunkin Donuts with my roommate because I love 669 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: my roommate. And the second girl, the roommate, is also 670 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 4: on the voicemail and she goes, oh my god. 671 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 3: That is so nice. I love you too. You bring 672 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 3: me so much joy. 673 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 4: And they proceed to have a conversation about their friendship 674 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 4: on the Joy hotline and I'm just it brings me 675 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 4: crazy joy when people hit up the Joy hotline. 676 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Well, I am certainly feeling less judgmental and a lot 677 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: more joyful. All thanks to USSI, thanks so much for 678 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: joining us on the bright side today. 679 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,959 Speaker 3: This was the most fun. Thank you both. 680 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for your dose of joy. 681 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: Scproro is a professor at Vanderbilt University and the author 682 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: of Styles of Joy, a feel good framework for rediscovering 683 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: joy with a twist. 684 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 2: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, Kat Kantas is with us. 685 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 2: She's the co founder of the tequila brand twenty one Seeds, 686 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 2: and she's going to share some of her incredible entrepreneurial insight. 687 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: Join the conversation using hashtag the bright Side and connect 688 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: with us on social media at Hello Sunshine on Instagram 689 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: and at the bright Side Pod on TikTok oh, and 690 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: feel free to tag us at Simone Boyce and at 691 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: Danielle Robe. 692 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 2: Listen and follow The bright Side on the iHeartRadio app, 693 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 694 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: See you tomorrow, folks, Keep looking on the bright side.