1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission controled decade. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: want you to know. The weather is beautiful here in Atlanta, 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: in the south of the US. People constantly talk about 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: the weather. We had a very moody atmosphere here. Just 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: yesterday there was big sea shanty energy in the morning, 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: We're talking rain, thunder, felt maritime them. By the afternoon. 14 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: It was stereotypical spring. It was beautiful. You know, you 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: could hear the birds, you can see the squirrels jump around. 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: You would go outside, and according to experts, if you 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: go outside, you need sunscreen. And Parker wrote to us recently, Parker, 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: you had a suggestion specifically about sunscreen, and without spoiling 19 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: the letter here, uh, you said, the story of sunscreen 20 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: goes deeper in a way that you thought might interest 21 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners. And before we jump into the facts here, guys, 22 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you all, like, what's your 23 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: what's your experience with sunscreen? You know, experts recommend that 24 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: you wear it every day every time that you're outside, 25 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: and I feel like, being somewhat of a troglodyte, which 26 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: means cave person myself, I feel like, uh, I definitely 27 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: do not do that, because the sun is my ancient nemesis. 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: How about you, guys, I burn, I'm I'm a pale boy. Um. 29 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: I just kind of go for whichever sunscreen has like 30 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: the most aluminum in it. I feel I feel like 31 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: that's the one that's going to protect me the best. 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: M interesting call. Okay, yeah, um, you know yeah. I 33 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: grew up being covered in the stuff, and I actually 34 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: began to resent the whole Okay, it's been it's been 35 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: an hour in the sun. Come on over here, let's 36 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: get your back again. That's my mom probably speaking dude. 37 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: My dad. My dad just he doesn't burn, and I 38 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: don't understand it. He just doesn't burn. Does he a 39 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: leathery man? He's a leatherman? Yeah, sure, yeah, but but 40 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: I I always burned like crazy I would get crazy birds, 41 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: like the stuff that no one wants to see, even 42 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: in a horror movie. And you know it, I just 43 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: didn't like the process. So later in life, I don't 44 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: really wear sunscreen, but I will wonder been Like you 45 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: have a lot of travels. If you just end up 46 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: somewhere where you're you realize, oh, man, I should probably 47 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: be wearing sunscreen for this. What is your go to? Like? 48 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: What what do you how do you make a decision 49 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: about what to get? Ah? Got it? That's an interesting question. 50 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: That's that's a bit of a set up there, and 51 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate it. Um. First, it's it's like that 52 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: old story of what do you do when you find 53 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: yourself in the woods? Your first step is to ask yourself, 54 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: what the hell did I do wrong? You find myself 55 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: in the woods? Yes, sunscreen is again, it's recommended there. 56 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: There's so many types, but it's it's recommended, um in general, 57 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: wherever you live, whoever you are, if you are spending 58 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: time outside during the day. Here are the facts. Okay, Okay, 59 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: that's cool. I didn't answer my question, but it's cool. 60 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: Let's go, let's move. Do you feel like I did? 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Not answer your question as to so specifically, then before 62 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: you get into the facts, to answer your question, Yes, 63 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: depending depending on the environment, even I would keep sunscreen 64 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: of some sort, but I would typically have to find 65 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: some sort of natural alternative to something store bought. If 66 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: that makes sense, got you? Oh totally, that makes that 67 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense. I guess the only reason 68 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about because I I don't know 69 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: if this is what you out there listening do, but 70 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: I'll find myself in a you know, depending on which 71 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: city I'm in, just a store that sells sunscreen, and 72 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: I will just grab something. Oh yeah, and I don't 73 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: spend a ton of time thinking about what it is. 74 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: I go for a higher number just because I am 75 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: rather pale. But like, I don't make an informed decision ever, 76 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: I see. Yeah, yeah, yes, So like if you're if 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: you're going to a beach and you don't live by 78 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: a beach, uh, and you stop in at the we'll 79 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: just fictionally call it the beach store. You stop in 80 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: at beach store or Panama Jacks or whatever it's gonna 81 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: be called ron John perhaps, yes, yes, the serf store. Well, 82 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: that's fine. It's the same thing as the beach store. 83 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Hopefully the beach store and serf store owners who are 84 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: listening to the show right now are will forgive us 85 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: for conflating them unfairly if indeed we have. But you 86 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: go in, you get your beach towel, and you're like, 87 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: I need my flip flops that I am inevitably going 88 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: to lose or my children will inevitably lose in the 89 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: course of this um shore shore side adventure. And then yes, 90 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: you grab, you grab sunscreen because you probably didn't bring 91 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: it from home, right for many people, And you're in 92 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: a hurry because you want to get to the beach, right, 93 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: you want to front the infinity, that is the horizon 94 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: of the ocean. Yes, I understand what you're saying now. 95 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: I originally was thinking you meant like lost in the wilderness, 96 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: somewhere off the grid, but you mean going, You mean 97 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: going somewhere recreationally. Yeah, I assume many of us have 98 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: just ended up at a beach at some point for 99 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: some for one reason or another. Uh yeah. But in 100 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: the big takeaway here is that maybe a lot of 101 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: us don't know or think much about sunscreen. We read 102 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: the label, you see uh SPF, and you think I 103 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: want the highest number. Why would somebody buy a lower number. 104 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: They're the same price, they're probably a few dollars more. 105 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: But it does feel weird, right, Like you're you're looking 106 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: at the range of s pfs and you're thinking, well, 107 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: I want, I want, I want full protection, right, text 108 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: me from the sun's cancerous rays, you know, give me 109 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: the superpowered stuff right right, And and just slightly alternatively, 110 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: my wife is Cuban and she doesn't like to wear 111 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: full like the full sunscreen, so she gets the stuff 112 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: that's like SPF four. They call it like bronzing or 113 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, these things that are supposed to help. It's 114 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: more like a little a tan, like a copper tone 115 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, the it's it's funny that that 116 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about this at the very beginning, because, um, 117 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't know about anybody else, but I was always 118 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: confused by the idea that a company would know it 119 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: could make the best thing and then sell a lesser 120 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: version of that thing, and it happens in every industry, right, 121 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: It's like, it's weird that, um, you know, if you 122 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: know that they're like if you are just picking things 123 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: out of the blue, like if you were Apple, Why 124 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: do you sell multiple versions of the same computer when 125 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: you know that you could just you could just sell 126 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: the best one and then everybody would like, I I 127 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: get it. I understand the economics of it. It just 128 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: it always felt strange to me. And I think that's 129 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: the same kind of disconnect people experience when they run 130 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: into sunscreen. But the difference between sunscreen and a lot 131 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: of those a lot of other consumer products. Yes, folks, spoiler, 132 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: this is a consumer products kind of episode, and there is, uh, 133 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: there are a number of conspiracies of foot. The difference 134 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: between sunscreen and a lot of other products, especially in 135 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: the world of skincare and makeup, is that sunscreen works. 136 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: There is scientific basis to it. It's not some kind 137 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: of like woo woo. We had an angel sneeze on 138 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: these pomegranate leaves and then we rolled it up with 139 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: like the uh farts of puppies, and then we made 140 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: it a cream and we sprayed it uh and and 141 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,479 Speaker 1: if you walk through it at noon, your eye wrinkles 142 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: will dissipate or something like that A little bit. Well, 143 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, people will do a lot if they feel 144 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: like they're combating aging. But that's true. Yeah, it's I mean, 145 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: it's all industry, the idea of of slowing down the 146 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: hands of of of father time and uh, you know, 147 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: like cosmetic surgery is probably the most extreme example of that, 148 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: but so many products, beauty products, that skin care lines 149 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: there where there is a lot of snake oil wrapped 150 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: up in it. Uh. And you know, sure there's testimonials 151 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: and things like that, but it's true. Man. I think 152 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: it's a really good point that sunscreen and the whole 153 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: idea of SPF and the gradations of that is absolutely 154 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: a scientifically proven thing that benefits you and keeps those 155 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: harmful rays from penetrating that that sweet sweet dermist. So 156 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Here are the facts. What exactly 157 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: is sunscreen? Well, uh, it turns out sunscreen is kind 158 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: of like, uh, it's kind of like a cross, a 159 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,599 Speaker 1: very tidy cross. We wave at a very big vampire 160 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: and it protection kind of because if you think about 161 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: the normal day, the beautiful spring that's occurring in Atlanta, 162 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: realize it's happening because of some very scary stuff. We 163 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: are right next to, astronomically speaking, an enormous dying star 164 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: and it is screaming as it dies in terms of energy. 165 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: It is responsible for the continued existence of life on Earth. 166 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: It is amazing, It is crucial. It is dangerous, and 167 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: since ancient times human beings have been aware of this, 168 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: and they've been like, hey, this this thing right creates 169 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: the food that we eat. Uh. And it also feels 170 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: like it would kill us if it was close enough. 171 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, even if we stand around it, 172 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: it starts to mess with the way we look and 173 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: the way we feel. We have to figure something out. Yeah, 174 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: And and humans have been coming up with ways to 175 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: prevent the sun from harming them for millennia and really, 176 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, one of the best ones is to go 177 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: the troglodyte route, stay inside as much as you can, 178 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: you know, and hunt when you have to and at 179 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: certain times. But other things have been really treatment salves 180 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: that have been created, things to actually put on the 181 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: skin to stop the burning a lot of times, and 182 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: then other times to actually prevent the burning from happening 183 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: in the first place. And it's all to stop this 184 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: tiny little sliver of the light spectrum essentially called ultra violet. Yeah, 185 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: you definitely want to block that stuff because it can 186 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: give you all ideas of skin cancer. Uh, in addition 187 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: to just you know, causing general wear and tear on 188 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: your skin overall, just you know, from the the effects 189 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: of the sun. Um. But yeah, it's something that has 190 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: has been on the minds of humans since ancient times, 191 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: when folks you know, already were aware of these effects, 192 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: these damaging effects that the sun could have on the 193 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: human body. In early civilizations, folks developed some kind of 194 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: more holistic remedies I guess for treating the sun. They 195 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: didn't really have science, but they had trial and error. Uh. 196 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: And in ancient Greece, for example, they used olive oil. 197 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: In Egypt, they would use extracts of jasmine and rice 198 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: and other plants and just you know, like you said, matt, 199 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: rub it on their body and kind of like a 200 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: poultice or a salve. Uh. And for thousands of years, 201 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: people have also used um, the elements zinc, zinc oxide 202 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: in a in a paste form um. And it's actually 203 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: still very important ingredient in modern sunscreen. Yeah. It's true. 204 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: You find something that works, you stick with what with 205 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: what works? Right. Uh. This is inarguably before we get 206 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: into the messed up parts of this idea. This is 207 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: inarguably a good idea. We're gonna get into some messed 208 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: up stuff today, so it's important to note at the 209 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: at the offset here that sunscreen is in general a 210 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: good idea protecting yourself from the sun. Obviously, I'm very 211 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: biased because I see it as an antagonist, but still 212 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: everyone can agree protecting yourself and your loved ones from 213 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: the sun. I know it's a very pro vampire right now, 214 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: It's still important because sunscreen doesn't just protect you from 215 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: that very uh small, dangerous uh sliver of the spectrum 216 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: that that you're describing, Matt, it can also in while 217 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: doing that, it lowers your risk of some very nasty 218 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: forms of skin cancer. It can prevent premature aging of 219 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: the skin. And if you are sensitive about what you 220 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you're sensitive about your skin, then this 221 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: can assist in maintaining what would be called an even 222 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: skin tone, meaning it will if you are freckle prone 223 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: like Matt and myself, then if you know, sunscreen will 224 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: reduce your freckle ratio, right, yeah, you'd be surprised. I 225 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: got quite a lot of freckles on my arms, not 226 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: so much in my face, but tons of arm freckles. 227 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: It's weird, you know. Freckles. It's a weird thing. I 228 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: don't understand. It's like I can tan incredibly intensely in 229 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: these tiny circles. Yeah, freckles, it's a weird thing. Freckles 230 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: are strange. But but so like if you hate freckles, 231 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: sunscreen is great for you. Right, That's that's what an 232 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: even skin tone. Probably, that's that's a good way to 233 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: explain even skin tone. So ancient times, olive oil, like 234 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: Noel said, Jasmine Rice extracts all the hits. Uh. The 235 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: story of modern sunscreen, or what we call modern sunscreen, 236 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: really starts in the nineteen thirties, kicks into high gear 237 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: into There's a guy from Florida. He's an airman and 238 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: he's a pharmacist. His name is Benjamin Green, and he 239 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: does something necessary but kind of gross. Uh. He takes 240 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: something called red vet pet which is a short cutie 241 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: name for red veterinary petrolatum. So think of like um vassoline. 242 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: He takes this this kind of vassoline that it comes 243 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: from the world of veterinary medicine, and he slathers it 244 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: on himself and he's like talking to his fellows soldiers 245 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: and he's slathering on them during World War two and 246 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: he's like, the sun's gonna kill us. We need to 247 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: protect ourselves. So they're they're slimy soldiers. Now that's pretty grass, dude. 248 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah man, okay, yeah, I take a good tiny diversion 249 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: real quick, just to bring up a lovely piece of 250 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: pop culture surrounding sunscreen. I don't know if you guys 251 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: remember the song the bas Lerman song, um Everybody's Free 252 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: to wear Sunscreen, which was actually featured in the opening 253 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: sequence of season two or three of The Sopranos, but 254 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: it's taken from a column by Mary Schmick from the 255 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune on June one, titled advice like youth probably 256 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: just wasting on the young, and it, you know, gives 257 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: all these pieces of advice. It's meant to be like 258 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: a commencement speech for a you know, a graduating class 259 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: that does not exist. She did actually give this, but 260 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: it it repeats the recommendation of where sunscreen with other 261 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: little pith pieces of advice. And there was actually like 262 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: an urban legend, uh that Kurt Vonnagat had delivered this 263 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: as a commencement speech at m I t uh. But 264 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: that it was totally not true. It's almost like a mandela, 265 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: that kind of situation. Curvanna get even said when he 266 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: was pressed to like reprint this amazing speech that he made, 267 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: um that he would proudly have taken credit for the 268 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: words if they were his. But check out that song 269 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: if you give a chance. It's a lot of a 270 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: lot of fun and it's very inspiring. Yeah. The the 271 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: thing that's described in that song is not read that 272 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: pet right, right, right? So so the again slimy soldiers. 273 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: This is gross, gross stuff. There's not a ton of 274 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: science behind it other than it being able to stick 275 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: to the skin and function stick to human skin and 276 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: function as a physical barrier between the skin and the sun. 277 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: I am holding a very anti sun position, but I 278 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: have never deviated from this position so consistently anti sun. Well, 279 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: please please, let's just all be aware of my bias, 280 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: which is survival beast. Why read that pet is it? 281 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: Is it like petroleum or is it like a slightly 282 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: different substance that's really interesting in petrol atom? I bet 283 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: it's a petroleum based substance. Yeah, it's it's vastline basically 284 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: the non name brand or the non proprietary eponym is 285 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: would be uh, slimy and shiny soldiers. Yes, slimy and shiny. 286 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: And after the war, after World War Two, Benjamin Green 287 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: classes up his act. He adds coconut oil to this, 288 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: he adds cocoa butter. It's getting fancy. Uh. This eventually 289 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: will become what is known as Coppertone suntan cream, which, um, 290 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: you know, Matt, earlier you were describing the idea of 291 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: getting a little bit of protection from the sun, but 292 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: also helping yourself acquire a tan right, a general a 293 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: general sheen about oneself. That's that's what copper tone is doing. Uh. 294 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: And then at this time there's still no SPF. Like 295 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: the one thing people care about when they read a 296 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: label on sunscreen today is SPF and that doesn't exist 297 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: until about the roundabouts in the ninet seventies. And as 298 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: we said, it's just a way to measure and to 299 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: show consumers exactly how much of those UV rays are 300 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: being blocked or how what percentage And that's not a 301 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: percentage though, that's not what the rating, Uh, it's it's 302 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: it becomes a tough thing to even talk about. It 303 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: is a percentage of UV blocking power. But it's represented 304 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: in a scale, in a weird scale that doesn't really 305 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: make that much sense. It's not super intuitive. It measures 306 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: the amount that gets through rather than the amount that's blocked. Right, Yeah, 307 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: so like SPF fifteen, it's like a measure over time. 308 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: So what it means that is that one of harmful 309 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: radiation from that evil dying star will reach your skin. Uh. 310 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: And that so you're like, okay, I have protected myself 311 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: against fourteen of fifteen, yes, death rays from this space monster, 312 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: and that works as long as I have applied this 313 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: at um an even rate which never happens, of two 314 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: milligrams uh per centimeter of human skin. And then the 315 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: person wearing it has to change that every two hours, Right, 316 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: they have to re up, just like Matt's parents called 317 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: him over and then and grease them up again. Yeah, 318 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: grease up for a while. They wanted you to have 319 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: a good time at the beach. Today, this is a 320 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: massive industry. As research continued, sunscreen evolved, So if you 321 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: walk into your beach store or your surf store, you 322 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: will see multiple types of sunscreen, multiple brands, water resistance 323 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: stuff or stuff that purports to have an amazingly high SPF. 324 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: You'll also see broader spectrums of protection right like u 325 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: V A UVB protection protecting you from both long and 326 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: short range ultraviolet rays. So far, so good, right, Well, no, 327 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately it comes when it comes to sunscreen. There is 328 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: some stuff they don't want you to know. Will pause 329 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsors. Get greased up over here, 330 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: we'll be back. I definitely missed a part of my 331 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: back right, like you know, around the shoulders, like sometimes 332 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: you ever get a sunburn where you can see your 333 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: fingers where where you kind of up. The last time 334 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: I tried to apply sunscreen, I realized I hadn't done 335 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: it in in a long time, and I did a really 336 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: bad job and I just had like, you know, the white, 337 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: the really creamy white kind that you really have to 338 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: rub in to make it disappear. I got it all 339 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: over my beard and it just wasn't rubbed in at all, 340 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: and I looked like a freaking idiot. Um. So, you know, 341 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: applying sunscreen takes practice, know what you're doing. Here's where 342 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. There are issues here. There are two 343 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: big issues, and Parker wrote to us about one that 344 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: maybe I'm familiar to a lot of our listeners outside 345 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: of the world of makeup or skincare, and that's corruption 346 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: in the sunscreen industry. Parker wrote to us specifically about 347 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: something called Purrito Sintella Green level unscented Son, which spoilers 348 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist none of us knew about. None of 349 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: us had that um lightbulb moment where we said, oh, oh, no, parrito, 350 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: what happened to Barrito? Yeah, I was actually I really 351 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: didn't know if it was purreto or parrito because I 352 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: was hungry and I thought about burritos. Is a parrito 353 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: like a burrito for cats? Okay, I'm done, No, But 354 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: but this is such a ridiculous name. It almost feels 355 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: like it needs a red vet pet type such types shortening. 356 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: But there really is nothing you can do with Parrito 357 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Sintella green level unscented Son's it really it's gotta like 358 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: power through it. But apparently this is like really popular, right, 359 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: It was like known as the internet's favorite sunscreen. Um, 360 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: but it kind of got uh lampooned a bit on 361 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: social media when the study revealed that they were not 362 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: being particularly honest about the level of protection that it offered. Yeah, 363 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 1: so imagine you're at your beach store, you're at your 364 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: serf store, or you or you're just a person who 365 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: takes care of their skin, like obviously none of us 366 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: do on this show. Yeah, right, so you go to 367 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: you go to this, No, we look okay. I think yeah, thanks, 368 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: I think we look okay. So anyway, you're you're a 369 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: hypothetical person, no specific person. You go. You care about 370 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: your skin because you want to be alive and not 371 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: have skin cancer, and you want to look relatively good. 372 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: So you grab this, Uh, you grabbed this stuff, this 373 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: green level unscented son because it has SPF fifty. Well, 374 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: a study came out that revealed this was not the 375 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: actual case. If you look at the ingredients, if you 376 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: take that stuff to a lab and you test for SPF, 377 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: you'll find that it has an SPF of team less 378 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: than half of the fifty claims. Yeah, and we know 379 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: that the experiments are The study that revealed this is legit. 380 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: It comes from something called I n C I decoder. 381 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: Put let's put aside the question whether this was like 382 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: purposely misleading or whether this was honestly a mistake or 383 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: a negligence issue. The thing is this opens a door 384 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: to a much wider problem. It's not one. It's not 385 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: like one brand of this sunscreen, is it. No, no, no, no, no, 386 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: no no no. This this goes across the spectrum here. Um. 387 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: There there was a consumer reports report that came out 388 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: not that long ago, and it found it found that 389 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: thirty six out of fifty three sunscreens that it tested 390 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: did not have the SPF level represented. So it was 391 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: lower than what was represented on the bottle of spray 392 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: or the lotion or the bar that you're going to 393 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: put on yourself, whatever was. It was a lower SPF 394 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: than it claimed to be. How How is the f 395 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: d A not involved in this? Like you think there 396 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: would be like sample testing to ensure that there is 397 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: truth in advertising for these types of products in the 398 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: same way that you know drugs are regulated. Well, here's 399 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: the thing there, there are a ton of reasons why 400 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: this could happen. Right, It could be a single batch, 401 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: right that maybe the SPF wasn't quite right, and maybe 402 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: that's just it you tested a bad batch. You know, 403 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: maybe there are standards that are falling. There a lot 404 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: of reasons, yeah, which are not necessarily deceitful. There are 405 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: also loopholes around kind of the government regulation or standards, right, 406 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: like how do you test stuff? When do you test stuff? 407 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: Which is probably one of the biggest deals here. Uh. 408 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: For instance, if um, if we think of the US 409 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: and other manufacturers right from different countries, then you can 410 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: get around loopholes by just taking off SPF. It's like, oh, hey, no, no, 411 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: we're not doing a sunscreen thing. We have some of 412 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: the ingredients, but we're not claiming it now. We're just 413 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: uh you know, now we're just good time sudden lotion. 414 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: No promises, right, That's that's the mode, no promises, promises. 415 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: But again, as we said before, and I think this 416 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: is true, one of the biggest purchasing factors for a 417 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: consumer is that giant SPF label and number, right, so so, 418 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: but I I appreciate the point you were making that, 419 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: which is that this doesn't necessarily mean manufacturers are bad 420 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: bad actors. There could be bad storage. Like you said, 421 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: variations between batches, different testing standards. That's huge. Also, Yes, 422 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: counterfeit ding, yes, Uh, fabrication of testing results, which is 423 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: a little bit easier to do than you might think. 424 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: I want to just we're gonna talk about this later 425 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: in the episode, but we just kind of We've been 426 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: mentioned the storage of the substance and how that can 427 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: happen be a factor. We have found in the research 428 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: that that is a major factor for some sunscreens and 429 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: the chemicals that are inside of them. Who but a yeah, 430 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: expiration dates are not just for uh, not just for 431 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: food in your grocery store. So we can't if we're 432 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: being absolutely fair, we can't say all of these companies 433 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: are lying to you their pawns of big Sun and 434 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: they want you to burn. What we can't. What we 435 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: can say instead is that the burden, the burden of 436 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: informed consent is placed on the consumer. Here Parker sent 437 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: this great article by a writer named rio Era Newton 438 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: writing for The Strategist in New York magazine, and this 439 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: author notes the actual way to figure out what you're buying, 440 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: what you're paying for, and it it's some work you'd 441 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: have to be like if you're standing in front of 442 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: sunscreen the grocery aisle or wherever, at your beach store, 443 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: your serf store, that you would have to be on 444 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: your phone for a few minutes because you have to 445 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: look up a product's name or what's called an inn 446 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: DC number, which is a ten digit number. I know, 447 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: how how how juicy is this? Right? It's kind of dry. 448 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: It's a ten digit code that identifies uh drugs labeler, 449 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: product and trade package size on something called in d 450 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: C list dot com. And why do you have to 451 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: look up this crazy ten digit number? This like then 452 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: this v I N of bottle of sunscreen because that 453 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: number verifies the FDA reg stration the question you asked earlier, noal, 454 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: and it shows that it's gone through testing in the US. 455 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: That's not the whole step. The next step, Rio says 456 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: is you have to go to Consumer Reports, which has 457 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: a lot of research on sunscreen, and you have to 458 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: compare these. So at this point you are like at 459 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: least twelve minutes deep in the sunscreen system on your 460 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: phone in front of the people are going to the 461 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: beach without you, you know what I mean? Yea, yeah, 462 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: I mean maybe just like use a parasol instead, you know, 463 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: or a big floppy hat that probably helps um. But 464 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: sunscreen is definitely a part of the skincare industry, right Uh. 465 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: You know, even certain skin creams or moisturizers for example, 466 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: are like various products they'll have some form of sunscreen 467 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: in them, or will offer some sort of SPF protection, 468 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: even if it's not just purely uh sun lootion um. 469 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: And there are absolutely important and positive qualities to this product. 470 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: It can, in fact stop those rays, those ultra violet 471 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: rays from penetrating your skin and causing cancer. Uh. That 472 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: is unless it actually can cause cancer. Uh, depending on 473 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: what goes into the stuff. And we'll pause on that 474 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: cliff hanger. We have to pause. There will be back 475 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: afterward from our sponsor, and we are back. We are 476 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: still standing with you in our hypothetical beach surf shop, 477 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: which will call it um what should we call it? 478 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: Polly Shores? Like, I'm sorry, guys, I keep harping on, 479 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: Ron John. I think people that aren't from this part 480 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: of the country, I don't even know what that is, 481 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: but I think it's a Myrtle Beach thing. Or it's like, yeah, 482 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: there's a shark, and I remember the T shirts when 483 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: I was a kid. It's a nostalgia thing for me. 484 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: Plus it's fun to say, Ron John, but I love 485 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: poly shorts. That's way better. So well, they can they 486 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: can all exist. You know, Myrtle Beach has a booming economy, right, 487 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: so so like there are a lot of stores. One 488 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: of the turns the gross domestic product comes from airbrush 489 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: t shirts, right, and and and that's just the gross 490 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: so soh so we're at poly shorts, Paul, I'm sorry you. 491 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: You drew the short serf straw this one. We're standing 492 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: with you in this sisle. We're uh, we're already spending 493 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: a lot of time trying to figure out what's happening 494 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: with this sunscreen? Is that SPF real? Right? Because we 495 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: know it turns out, for one reason or another, it 496 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: is often not what it purports to be. There's a 497 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: second problem, and there have been multiple claims over the years. 498 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: You're thinking about this, right, let's just get into this snario. 499 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: You're you're thinking about this. You're looking at the sunscreen, 500 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: and you're on your phone and you found this stuff 501 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: and consumer reports and blah blah blah, and you think, Okay, 502 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: I I found one that I think is is gonna work. 503 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: And then some some dude breezes past you will flip 504 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: flops and cargo shorts and he says, you know, he's 505 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a leatherman, and he says, de vulvery kid, 506 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: that stuff gives you cancer. There there's been so many 507 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: uh that, there have been so many uh claims in 508 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: the past that sunscreen itself, particularly the chemicals in it, 509 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: the active ingredients, can in fact harm your body, harm 510 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: your various systems, and in some cases become carcinogenic, create 511 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: cancerous conditions. Maybe not skin cancer, So maybe in avoiding 512 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: skin answer, you are suffering from another type of cancer 513 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: because of the active ingredients in these substances. Is that true? 514 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: Let's see, Let's go to the experts. Right, let's go 515 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: to the experts. So that cargo shorts guy breezes past, 516 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: drops some drops some conspiracy knowledge on you on his 517 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: way to get um what are those things that go 518 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: on your upper arm? Yeah, on his way to get floaties, 519 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: just flings by. Alright, alright, alright, choosing that one, hud Well, 520 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: guess what that one? That one causes cancer? Ready, don't 521 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: don't use that one. I gotta get these floaties over here. 522 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: That's pretty good, Matt. Sorry, I've been watching his new 523 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: YouTube channel recently, Matthew McConaughey's YouTube. Chell. You know he 524 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: I saw this amazing, insightful interview with him. I don't know, 525 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: dude's gonna be running Texas before you know it, it's coming. 526 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: I have no I have no doubt about it. Well, 527 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: probably one of my most shining moments in podcast UMAs 528 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: I got to be on a call with Matthew McConaughey. 529 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: Wasn't video, but that voice man unmistakable, and he was 530 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: pitching a podcast. Obviously he went the YouTube route. Hey, 531 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: there's still time in room to a podcast. Okay, sorry, 532 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: um no, let's go. You go to the experts, right, 533 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: You don't that guy. You can't trust that guy, not 534 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: not McConaughey, but the dude that was there in the 535 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: store who knows. Yeah, we have established that in this scenario. 536 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: But uh, you know, you can't take somebody's just quick, 537 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: offhand comment as fact. So you got to look to 538 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: the experts. What are they saying, Well, here's the deal. 539 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: You're looking at studies from experts, or at least a 540 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: scientist or people who are or researchers who are spending 541 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: a lot of time and effort to get results maybe 542 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: or maybe they're working for a company, or maybe they're 543 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: working against a company. Because what you end up looking 544 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: at when you're when you're researching this stuff is that 545 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: you've got some folks saying that these studies are legitimate, 546 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: and then others a lot of experts saying these a 547 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: lot of the studies that say some of these things 548 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: are essentially misinformation or disinformation, Like it's not right, and 549 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: it's the results that are being regurgitated, you know, just 550 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: and spoken about are actually mischaracterized. Yeah. So let's take 551 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: for example, Dr Jennifer Lynn, who is Insistent Professor of 552 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 1: Dermatology at Harvard Medical School co director of Melanoma Risk 553 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: and Prevention Clinic. She has an insightful response about some 554 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: of the kind of alarmist or fearmongering reports here, uh, 555 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: specifically about oxyben zone, and she says, there has been 556 00:36:53,440 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: no conclusive evidence that oxyben zone is harmful to humans. Uh. 557 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: And she she notes something that happens and a lot 558 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: of studies and a lot of pop science. You'll hear 559 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: a study that says like, um, insert substance, exert substance 560 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: so and so has been found to cause cancer in 561 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: mammals or you know, to somehow like have a dilatorious 562 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: effect on you. But they don't talk about how that 563 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: study was conducted or what actually happens. So Dr Lynn 564 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: points out that organizations that have raised concerns about oxyben 565 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: zone site studies that were done on rats, which are 566 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: not human yet, and that rats were physically fed oxyben zone. 567 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: They weren't shaving the rats and then putting sunscreen on them, 568 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: they were forcing them to eat this stuff. And according 569 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: to Dr Lynn, it would quote take an individual human being, 570 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: I imagined two hundred and seventy seven years of sunscreen 571 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: use to achieve even the same dose that produced the 572 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: harmful effects in these rats. And that's based on a 573 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: study from the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology 574 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: in ten. But think carefully, right, it's a number of 575 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: years ago, yeah, four almost four lust So so what 576 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: what changes? This is the second big issue. There's a 577 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: recent study that came out. It turns out that sunscreen, 578 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: the stuff you use to prevent skin cancer from exposure 579 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: to sunlight, might actually, yes, have a chance of giving 580 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: you cancer. That's the claim people are making. This study, 581 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: which was by several French and US scientists, looked at 582 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: skincare brands overall, Laureal, Neutrogena, Bioderma, very like the big 583 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: ones picture, the big brands of skin care. It looked 584 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: at all of these, and it looked especially it's something 585 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: called octocry ling. Octo cry len sounds interesting. It's a chemical, right, 586 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: And this is kind of weird, and it's a bit 587 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: difficult to navigate because octo cry ling isn't necessarily the issue. 588 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: The bad thing that octo crawling itself. What happens is 589 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: over time it degrades into something called benzo phenone. Yeah, 590 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: and benzo phenone is the think of it like the 591 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: final form, right to think of it? Think of it like, um, 592 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: If octo cry ling is the magua, benzo finon is 593 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: the gremlin. That's actually wow, that's actually pretty not a 594 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: bad comparison. You just feed it time. Don't feed it time, Yes, 595 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: don't feed it time. Uh, this is weird. So octocryling 596 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: is already controversial in a number of is due to 597 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: concerns about its effect not on humans but on the 598 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: overall environment. It's been banned in a couple of places, 599 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: including Hawaii and the US Virgin Islands. This study did 600 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: something pretty neat. They said, we need to figure out 601 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: what happens to sunscreen when it's just left on a shelf, 602 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: because think about it, the sunscreen you probably buy is 603 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: not refrigerated or something like that. You know what I mean. 604 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: It's not like in a cool dry cellar or something like. 605 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: It's just it's on the shelf, next to the flip flops, 606 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: next to the towels, next to the floaties, et cetera. 607 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: And it's been for a while, and it's been in 608 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: poly shores for a while. Might even have some visible 609 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: dust on the top of the cap. Uh. This study 610 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: used an artificial aging process to replicate that passage of 611 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: time to show what like, to show what happens to 612 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: these products when they've sat on a shelf at poly 613 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: Shore's for around a year, ballpark a year. The thing 614 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: is that the concentration of this chemical, this harmful chemical, 615 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: increases the longer it sits on that shelf. So we're 616 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: reading SPF, but what you should be reading is the 617 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: expiration date. According to FDA regulations, sunscreen has a shelf 618 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: life of three years. But this study, yeah, but this 619 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 1: study shows if it's on that shelf for a year, 620 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: depending if this one thing, this octo cry len is 621 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: in it, then it is slowly kind of jekyl and 622 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: hiding into a thing that is very easily absorbed by 623 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: your skin. That you very much do not want in 624 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: your body, and it gets worse over time. I believe 625 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: the concentration can actually increase the longer that you leave 626 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: it on the shelf. Um, so it's very very important 627 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: to keep a close eye on those ex expiration days. 628 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: And and this stuff, by the way, benzophenone is banned 629 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: for use as UH an ingredient in food or an 630 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: ingredient in cosmetics, so you so it's not there. It's 631 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: not legally allowed to to be in that bottle of 632 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: whatever you buy. And it's more than sunscreen. By the way, 633 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: there was a study in the nine nineties that found 634 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: just how how successfully this stuff is absorbed by the skin. 635 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: And it makes a pretty solid argument too before regulation, 636 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, to prohibit this chemical from being included and 637 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: stuff like sunscreen or shampoo or perfume. But the problem 638 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: goes even further. Octocry Lene has not met those FDA 639 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: regulations for safety or effectiveness. Still I think it still hasn't. 640 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: Like as of February twenty nine, team as of two 641 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: years ago, this stuff was still not meeting the guidelines 642 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: from the FDA, which means that if you wore sunscreen 643 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: anytime before UH depending on what you bought. The odds 644 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: aren't looking great. Unless you like rolled in mud, hippo 645 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: or elephant style to protect yourself from the sun. You've 646 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: probably got some of this stuff in you. Yeah, and 647 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: can we let's talk really quickly a little more about 648 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: the Hawaii banning because that just occurred. Hawaii just past 649 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: legislation that banned two chemicals in sunscreens actually pull up 650 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: the Senate bill here. UM Center for Biological Diversity sent 651 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: this out on March nine of this year, and they 652 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: are banning two petrochemicals within sun screens, avo ben zone 653 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: and octocry Eileen, and the two the biggest things that 654 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: came out of this, or one of the biggest reasons 655 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: that they're banning it is because they've found that these 656 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: chemicals are actually bleaching the coral reefs around Hawaii. Uh, 657 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: these chemicals are coming off of people's skin when the 658 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: sunscreen has applied to them and hurting the environment to 659 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: that like having a huge effect on the environment. Um, 660 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: that's that's a big deal. And it's their chemicals that 661 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: you're putting on your body, like directly that's being absorbed. 662 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: As Ben said, it's not a super sunny proposition. I 663 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: will never forgive myself for that one. Uh, you're you're 664 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: absolutely right, Matt. It's important to note that this process, 665 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: which has been proven by this study or you know, 666 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: there's a strong argument that it occurs fairly commonly. Um, 667 00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: this process was welcomed by people who believed previous myths 668 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: or mischaracterizations about ugly chemicals in skin care products. So 669 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: it kind of fed the fire right there. It turned 670 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: out there was a grain of truth to some of 671 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: the allegations or some of the suspicions and rumors. According 672 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: to Dr Sharon Law And this stuff, benzophenone is the 673 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: worst offender in causing contact dermatitis. It can also induce anaphylaxis, 674 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: and it is classified as carcinogenic by the International Agency 675 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: for Research on Cancer, which is part of the World 676 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: Health Organization. So people are aware of this. People are 677 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: aware of this, including the industry. In twenty nineteen, almost 678 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: three thousand different like products, which such a vague term, 679 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: but three thousand like you know, uh, kinds of shampoo, 680 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: kinds of sunscreen, kinds of I'm guessing here, what what's 681 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: another skin thing? Moisturizer? Is that okay? Okay? Is a 682 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: real popular one. It's really apparently quite important to moisturize 683 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: every day. I don't do it every day, but I 684 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: try to get to it when I remember. Um, but yeah, 685 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: I know it's true. So there's another thing that happened, 686 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: which was the you know, these stories pop up with like, uh, 687 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: you've heard about it before, rat feces and cereal, right, 688 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys remember that when 689 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: there was a long time story where people would say, actually, 690 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: the FDA allows a certain amount of rat features and 691 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: in cereal, there's only so much you can do. You 692 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: can't you can't ever have zero percent rat proop cereal. 693 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: It's like the idea of of a Grade E meat 694 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: at Taco Bell containing some percentage of rat meat or 695 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: something like that, exactly, the idea being that it's legal. 696 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: But it's a loophole that a lot of people don't 697 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 1: know about. Like clear like someone in the industry is saying, okay, alright, 698 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: uncle Sam. Clearly, if there was anyone able to make 699 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: cereal with zero percent rat feces, they would they would 700 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,359 Speaker 1: put that on the front of the box, right, would 701 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: be like right next to the raisin brand. There's the 702 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: no rat poop. What am I gonna do? Get all 703 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: the rats out of here? Come on, we were a 704 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: cereal company, not an exterminator service. Sir uh. I'm just 705 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: thinking like, there's is that? What kind of integration? What 706 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: kind of what? What kind of integration is that where 707 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: you say, you know, we started off making cereal, add 708 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: all this rat poop in it, and we were like, 709 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: is this afiza? Is this a bug? Long story short, 710 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: We killed the rats, sold the meat to Taco Bell, 711 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: we kept the poop. We got two scoops of it 712 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: Raisin brand, apparently by Bernie Sanders. But I come to 713 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: you once more to tell you that definitely three scoops 714 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: of raisins in every box. So three scoops, they went up, 715 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: huh is it only two? Well that third scoop is 716 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: rat poop. So so this we are um hopefully joking, 717 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: but it is it is true that something similar has 718 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:27,280 Speaker 1: happened with the sunscreen industry. The French Federation of Beauty Enterprises, 719 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: an industry organization, a trade organization, responded to this study 720 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: and they basically said, yeah, we know we we know 721 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: that this octocry line is in here. We know that 722 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: it turns into this dangerous chemical. But look at the study, 723 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: they said, these are always below the toxicity thresholds that 724 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: are safe for human health, which is a lot like saying, 725 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, you can eat a couple of spiders in 726 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: your oak meal. You can have a little that are rap. 727 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: You can have a little bit of rap hoop as 728 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: a treat. Well. Even indeed, even like you know, in 729 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: um in in regulation of fisheries, you know, and and wildlife, 730 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: uh and and certain allowable amounts of pollution and water 731 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: like there are mercury warnings you know, for certain bodies 732 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,839 Speaker 1: of water because it absorbs into the fish. But there 733 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,720 Speaker 1: also is an allowable level of mercury um which seems 734 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: like it would be zero, but it's not zero. But 735 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: also we are talking like you know, parts per million 736 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: or billion in some cases. So you know, and there 737 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: is truth to this, even as as squeamish as it 738 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: sounds to say toxicity thresholds or the idea of things 739 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: that are acceptable for human health. Uh, it certainly makes 740 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: you cringe, but I mean it's not untrue, right right, yeah, 741 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean you're you're talking about something happening at scale, 742 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? How how how can any 743 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: organization keep its eye on every falling sparrow of a 744 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: content eminent. It's it's quite difficult. But in this case, 745 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: uh toxicity levels or thresholds aside like the the reason 746 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,799 Speaker 1: that this trade organization responded by pointing out these thresholds 747 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: and saying, yeah, this stuff is dangerous, but it's not 748 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: dangerous in the amounts that are found by the study. 749 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: It's because it is virtually impossible to regulate a bunch 750 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,280 Speaker 1: of these things effectively. But in this case, there's there's 751 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: like clearly one that clearly transforms into this other thing, 752 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: and no one's saying change the recipe. What they're saying 753 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: is it's okay because there's not a there's not enough 754 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 1: of it there, which is like saying, hey, um, at 755 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 1: this point, the rat poop is is part of the serial, 756 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's part of the ingredients here. 757 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,719 Speaker 1: What we're gonna take it out? That would destroy raisin bran. 758 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna get a letter from raisin brand Well, it's 759 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: still my favorite cereal. So no matter how much poop 760 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: is in there, are you kidding as you eat grape 761 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,800 Speaker 1: nuts too? Old man? I don't like grape nuts. Oh god, uh, sorry, 762 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,919 Speaker 1: grape nuts. I just don't know. I'm not into it. 763 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: But raisin brand specifically, I think it's raising crunchy raisin 764 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: brand or whatever it is. Does it have the clusters 765 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 1: you like the one with the nut clusters? Dude, I 766 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: just dis Yeah, they're useless. They're the lich Kys of grapes. Now. 767 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,919 Speaker 1: I like it crazing. I do like it crazing, which 768 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,240 Speaker 1: is essentially the same process Betton, But for some reason, 769 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: to raisin just doesn't do it for me. Don't like 770 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: our oatmeal raisin cookie. Like an oatmeal cookie, take the rate, 771 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: put the raisins in there, entirely different cookie, different ants. Yeah, yeah, 772 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,400 Speaker 1: oatmeal raisin. Sorry, sorry, we're raisin shaming you, man. I 773 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: feel like we're ganging up. Like no, it's more, it's 774 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 1: more reasons for you man. Thank you guys. We can 775 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: have that. Oatmeal raisin really is my favorite cookie, that's 776 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: why are you serious? I feel like I'm not a 777 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:24,319 Speaker 1: big cookie person, but anytime I see a cookie that 778 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: I assume is chocolate chip and it turns out it's 779 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: like oatmeal raisin, I feel swindled. As I feel like 780 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: the motto for it's like oatmeal raisin. This is settling, 781 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's Look, my grandfather used 782 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,879 Speaker 1: to make me cinnamon raisin toast all the time when 783 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 1: I would go visit him, and I have such a 784 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 1: special place in my heart for that. I then developed 785 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: a psychological connection to raisins and cinnamon. That's where my 786 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,359 Speaker 1: meal raisin thing, and even my raisin brand it all 787 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,280 Speaker 1: just goes. It's all in the well, Matt. It's so like, look, yeah, 788 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,000 Speaker 1: there's there's no shaming here. I just if now that 789 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: I know this, I am going to be like much 790 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:18,240 Speaker 1: more um cognizant of where raisins and oatmeal raisin cookies 791 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,360 Speaker 1: should go. Like, check your desk later, because anytime I 792 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,439 Speaker 1: get one of these, it's going straight to you. Man, 793 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: That's the best I can do. Like also, the sense 794 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: we're going somewhere with this, folks. The sense of taste 795 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: and preference for what you eat is inherently tied into memory. 796 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: It's and tied into smell, it's tied into texture. Many 797 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: like smell actually much more so than taste. That that 798 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: brings your memories. That's why we have such um visceral 799 00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: reactions to concepts of food. That's also why this higher 800 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: time you were hearing this episode, some part of you 801 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 1: was smelling sunscreen, which is weird. That's like Morgan Freeman saying, 802 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,719 Speaker 1: you read this whole thing in my voice. Uh well, 803 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: so man, when you say smelling sunscreen, I mean you know, 804 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: surely there there are scents and perfumes that are added 805 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: to some sunscreens, but there is that quintessential sunscreen smell. 806 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,839 Speaker 1: Is that the chemicals that were smelling that really make 807 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,879 Speaker 1: it have that distinct kind of like nostalgic quality. Um. 808 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: And then you've got ones that smell like coconut, but 809 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 1: they still have that certain little twinge of a chemical smells. 810 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: It's that cocoa butter and coconut oil. Man, You're right, 811 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,440 Speaker 1: that's what it is. See original the red vent vent set. 812 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: Get that. Yeah, that's it. It's true. Um, there there 813 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: is this nostalgic factor. There is a sense memory, and 814 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 1: part of that. Part of the reason that healing is 815 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 1: ubiquitous is because sunscreen does work, and it's because people 816 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: do need to use it or use something like it. 817 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Sunscreen The concept of sunscreen 818 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,359 Speaker 1: is what I would call a non human invention, by 819 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,799 Speaker 1: which I mean before human beings became what are called 820 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,359 Speaker 1: human beings today. There were other animals who figured this 821 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,279 Speaker 1: out right. They said, we need to protect ourselves from 822 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 1: the sun, will roll in the mud, will go under 823 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: the water, etcetera, etcetera. This is an ancient thing and 824 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: it's a thing that many creatures on Earth need. But 825 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,080 Speaker 1: there is also an industry that is possibly creating other 826 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,719 Speaker 1: problems by fixing the one that's focused on. And so, 827 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: as we said, the burden falls on the consumer. The 828 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 1: best thing you can do is read the label carefully. 829 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 1: I know it's cool to meet Matthew McConaughey when he 830 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,439 Speaker 1: bides buying cargo shorts and float ees uh and then 831 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,919 Speaker 1: maybe clowns you. And I know it's awkward to be 832 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 1: on your phone for ten minutes, ten fifteen minutes in 833 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: front of the sunscreen aisle, but maybe it's worth the time. 834 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,799 Speaker 1: It is. Indeed, well said I did want to point 835 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 1: out one thing, just because I referenced it jokingly at 836 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: the top of the show, saying, I my sunscreen of 837 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: choice would be the one that has the most aluminum 838 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,319 Speaker 1: in it. That that is a thing. Um there There 839 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: was a study at Keele University in Stratfordshire back in 840 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, UM, where they took six samples of 841 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,720 Speaker 1: six different brands of sun uh screen and and found 842 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,400 Speaker 1: pretty alarming levels of aluminum in them. Um. The World 843 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: Health Organization recommends applying thirty five million leaders of sunscreen 844 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: to get you know, the actual benefit of it, and 845 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,720 Speaker 1: then also reapplying it UH and and according to the study, 846 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,360 Speaker 1: for these particular brands UH, it would essentially amount to 847 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: putting two hundred milligrams of aluminum on your skin. And 848 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 1: aluminum salts are permeable. Um. You know, they can be 849 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: absorbed by the skin and potentially you know, it's not 850 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: like a sure thing cancer cause her, but it's it's 851 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,840 Speaker 1: certainly not good for you. Um. This was back in 852 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, though, so surely there's been some movement, 853 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: as I know, there was also like I think certain 854 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,080 Speaker 1: any purse prints definitely have some chemicals that people are 855 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: freaked out by because you know, there's certain people that 856 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: want to use the ones that like really don't work 857 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: because they don't have the bad stuff in them. Um, 858 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: but they're still like the ones that are like white 859 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: and you know, completely dry out your armpit. Sorry for 860 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: that image there but I just wanted to mention that 861 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: because the aluminum thing I said at the top of 862 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: the show, that that was not just something I made up. 863 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, as you said, but it is is on 864 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: It's on us so to figure it out unless you 865 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: live in a state like Hawaii, that straight up bandit 866 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,440 Speaker 1: because you know. They pointed to older and newer studies 867 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: and even studies that have yet to be published on 868 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,200 Speaker 1: some of these chemicals that we discussed today and in 869 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 1: what could be happening They've even they even mentioned disrupting 870 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 1: human hormones, right, Yeah, an endycrine disruptor. And and there's 871 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: good news. Another study that I came across from the 872 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,919 Speaker 1: American Institute of Physics UH talks about how UM toxicity 873 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: screenings of these types of products has gotten much much 874 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 1: much better and easier using something called micro fluid i devices, 875 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 1: and the summary for the study UM says scientists are 876 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: using nanoparticle screening on personal care products and finding previously 877 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: thought toxic chemicals may not be harmful. Reasearchers discussed their 878 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 1: work successfully using microchips um to demonstrate titanium dioxide, a 879 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 1: chemical found in most sunscreens, not only is non toxic 880 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,840 Speaker 1: but also offers protection against ultra violet damage to skin cells. 881 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: So I would like to recommend for anybody who wants 882 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 1: to read more in depth, read the study that we've 883 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,960 Speaker 1: referenced regarding sunscreen in this the episode where we ruin sunscreen. 884 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 1: Go to the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology and you 885 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: will find it under the quite dry title Benzo fhinone 886 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 1: accumulates over time from the degradation of octocry l N 887 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 1: in commercial sunscreen products. Sexy title. Yep, yep, it's right 888 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 1: up there with It's it's right up there with Faulkner. 889 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 1: I am sure historians will agree. What do you think 890 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 1: should be done? Folks? What do you think can be done? 891 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 1: Other than as I said before, I do want to 892 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 1: leave you with that image of taking the time in 893 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,200 Speaker 1: front of the sunscreen island. I don't want that to 894 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,880 Speaker 1: be lost because it is important. At some point in 895 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: every human beings life, your health becomes the primary concern. Now, 896 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: it can be a concern that you are proactive about, 897 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: it can be a concern when something goes wrong, but 898 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: at some point, no matter who you are, no matter 899 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 1: what you do, you will place your health as a 900 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,439 Speaker 1: number one priority. So maybe that ten minutes is worth 901 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 1: it that that that's my proposition there, and you know 902 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't just go for sunscreen. But is there is 903 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 1: there a solution that companies could do for this? Is 904 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: there a way, first to Parker's note, is there a 905 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,760 Speaker 1: way to guarantee the SPF on the on the label 906 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: is honest? Is there a way to properly avoid dangerous chemicals? 907 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 1: And and just as importantly, to figure out the facts 908 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 1: versus the fiction in allegations of harmful chemicals, because we 909 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 1: remember until twenty one, a lot of the a lot 910 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 1: of the warnings about sunscreen, we're misinformation. They were misinformed. 911 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 1: At the very least, let us know. We want to 912 01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,880 Speaker 1: hear from you. You are the most important part of 913 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,760 Speaker 1: the show. 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There's also some great stuff 922 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,480 Speaker 1: out of veritassium and a couple other places where you 923 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,840 Speaker 1: can actually watch u V cameras looking at a human 924 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,440 Speaker 1: while sunscreen is being applied, and it's super fascinating to 925 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 1: watch those higher SPF levels. Uh just what you what 926 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 1: it's actually absorbing when it comes to the light. Check 927 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: that stuff out for sure, and you know, subscribe to 928 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff if you get a chance. UM. If you 929 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: don't want to do that stuff, hey, you can give 930 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 1: us a call. That's right. 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