WEBVTT - When I Stencil My Masterpiece: Banksy Thefts 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.800 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio zero. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.320 Elizabeth. How you doing, I've done pretty well. I'm missing you. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.200 Yeah, I know, it's been like twenty minutes. 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.600 I know. I was like, hey, I went outside, I 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:13.800 forgot who you are. I walked back in, Elizabeth. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.680 It happens all the time, Yeah, all the time. Do 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:17.680 you know what's ridiculous? 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.479 Yes? I do, Elizabeth, Oh do sure? Yeah. Do you 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.840 ever heard of a little drink called gator load gator load? Yeah? 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:26.560 You know, I know, gator raid. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.640 Oh yeah, you're familiar. Gator raid also used to make 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:30.760 a thing called gator load. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.960 Oh yeah, it's this, okay. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.000 Gator load two to eighty. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:36.120 So. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.320 Gatorload is a quote specially formulated to supply the body 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.960 with useful carbohydrates, which the body converts to glycogen without 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.600 the bulk of large quantities of pasta. And it is 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.600 this extra supply of glycogen prior to a strenuous athletic 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.640 event that helps you perform at your peak for longer 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.560 periods of time. Gator load is available in a convenient, 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.480 easy to use twelve ounce singles BA ba blah. Carbo 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.160 loading because carbo loading as a drink. Right. Yeah, Well, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.920 there's a funny little bit, which is do you know 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:07.920 much about the Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan Utah Jazz, I 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.520 told you a little bit about them recently. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:11.760 Enough to be dangerous. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.240 You go, remember in the trains you loft trains, I 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.600 told you about the trains the Great Air during train heist, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.480 I mentioned them shoes and they were sold in the 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.360 Utah Jazz the finals with the balls in that series 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.440 during when there was the flu game in nineteen ninety seven. Well, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:33.080 in back in nineteen eighty eight, Gatoraded invented this thing 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.200 called Gator Load, and they hadn't really you know, popularized it, 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.640 but it was basically spaghetti in a bottle. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:40.959 It's like a thing of insured. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.640 Yes, it's the opposite of what you want before a game. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.400 So the equipment manager before well yeah, maybe or even 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.800 two days before. So flash forward at this point, we're 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.720 in nineteen ninety seven the NBA Finals Salt Lake City. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.639 The equipment manager for the Bulls accidentally got Gator Load 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:02.120 instead of Gator Rays and the players were like having 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.240 cramps and their stomachs were bloated distended. It was one 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.799 of the worst fails of all time. Yeah, because gator. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.240 Load that both teams are just the bulls. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.240 One trainer said, just the bulls. The trainer said it 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:16.600 was like eating baked potatoes. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.120 Oh god, that's like, that's like the episode of the 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.240 Office where Michael Scott carbo loads like five minutes before 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.679 running a race with you know exactly. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.639 So the Bulls ended up losing seventy eight seventy three. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.040 If you hear the point totals, you're like, the bulls, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.079 What that's crazy? Here we go? 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.880 Why close? 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.880 Yeah, but they came back to win the series Go Bulls. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.600 Yeah it is. You know what else is ridiculous? Elizabeth 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.519 mass Appeal counterculture. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:47.440 I like that. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:03:07.600 Huh. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:13.240 This is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.720 and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.760 one hundred percent ridiculous. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.360 You damn right right right? 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:27.760 Hell saren Are you familiar with Banksy the Tagger graffiti artist? Yes, 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.880 let me woman explain to you please. I love that 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.560 banks He's a pseudonym. What so it's not it's not 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.600 a real name, like, it's not I know, the government 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:41.160 name English. He's an English artist, like we said, a 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.680 graffiti artist, but not in the sense of taggers or 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.360 like those who just scribble on things. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.760 Yeah. Now he throws pieces up and does like real art. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.200 Yeah, the art, it's actually very much in the tradition 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.760 of Italian graffiti art, like the o Grafiti. Yeah, that's 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:59.360 very visually striking and political. So like use of negative space, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:06.000 monochromatic palettes, really bold color as highlights. It's very there's 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:11.240 immediacy to it, accessibility in the imagery, and he primarily used. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.760 For him this is great, so welcome. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.599 He primarily uses stencil. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.120 Base in the sense that's why I think of the 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.160 Italians as the stencil Yeah. 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.640 Yeah, exactly, And so it's quick to pull off, it's 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:27.560 visually sharp, and that technique also aligns with earlier sweet 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.520 artists like Bleack Lorat, you have heard of him. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.880 And also it also conforms with the hyper consumer and 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.719 the mass production aspects of our culture. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.239 So Black Lorat was really the one who pioneered stencil 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:45.200 graffiti in the eighties in France. But and Banksy rather 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.240 than aligns with him, you could go so far as 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.000 to say he ripped him off steals. Yeah, And so 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.080 Black Lorat started in nineteen eighty six there was a 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.560 general strike by students and workers that just ground France 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.880 to a halt. That's when we started seeing these things 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:04.039 a lot of visual and thematic similarities. But Banksy also 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.080 does installations mixed media. I'm going to put this into 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.320 art speak for you. Banksy's uvre is rich in political 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:21.280 and social critique. So basically he confronts themes like capitalism, consumerism, war, authoritarianism, surveillance, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.440 and it's satirical work, thought provoking, and it blends like 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.239 dark humor with this powerful imagery. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.040 Yeah, like making light of domination or subjugation. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.240 Right, And let me give you a brief history. So 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.680 in the nineties, Banksy emerged as part of the underground 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.520 graffiti scene in Bristol, England. Ah Yes, and then moved 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.480 to London in the early two thousands, and that's where 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:49.120 his stencil based stuff got, you know, war recognition. He 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:54.839 starts satirizing politics, consumerism, war like targeting the powerful. In 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.880 two thousand and four, Banksy released Banksy's Die Faced to 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.760 like to face but a fake ten pound note featuring 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.320 Princess Diane. He in two thousand and five, painted on 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:12.560 the West Bank barrier in Palestine doing this really powerful 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:13.320 anti war. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.960 Imagery lift up the Wall. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:15.320 Yeah. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:15.520 Yes. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.800 Two thousand and six created Barely Legal, which was an 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.440 LA art show that had a live spray painted elephant. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:24.400 Oh. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:29.680 Frintique Global Poverty twenty ten Directed Exit through the Gift Shop. Yes, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:34.200 great documentary, Yeah me too, about street art commercialization of 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.800 the art world. Nominated for an Academy Award. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:38.159 I bet he did not attend. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:44.800 Yeah no, well we don't know, Thank you, Elizabeth. Twenty thirteen. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.239 I did like a one month residency in New York 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.560 and left Newark all over the city each day. Twenty 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.640 twenty did a COVID nineteen themed graffiti in the London underground. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:57.440 I remember that. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.120 Twenty twenty two painted murals in UK during the war 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.640 depicting like the resilience and the defiance of the people. Yeah. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.960 So Banksy was originally very counterculture, and then people like 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.600 Brad Pitt started buying pieces and other artists started to 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.040 bite the style, and it kind of has gone a 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.120 little out of fashion. It's not edgy, Yeah, I. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.400 Would say that it's become like so much so that 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.640 it's canon. It's like museum. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:27.239 Yes, yeah, most definitely So you know, Banksy is widely 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:32.280 celebrated and that runs counter to the counter culture origin. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.840 But there are a lot of criticisms. So there's accusations 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.160 of commercialism and hypocrisy. You know, he's supposed to be 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.280 all anti capitalist and anti establishment, but then the pieces 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.040 sell for millions of dollars at auction. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.800 I thought you were down for ad Busters, man. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.760 Every time there's an accusation of exploitation of street art culture, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:03.960 other graffiti La the other graffiti, or to see Banksy 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.440 is like profiting off of this culture that's criminalized for others. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.200 People talk about that issue of originality. You know, it's 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.560 highly derivative about you know, the Italians and Bla Clarat. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:17.360 So are you a fan? 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.240 You like, I've been a fan. I wouldn't say that. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.880 I'm like, I still love Bosquiote, like like you'll always 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.280 hear me love, even though he's become very much a 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.720 mainstream artist that people are now like Dutch's biting, but 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.080 it's become like a language of visual language, so it's 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:33.000 lost a lot of its hits. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.960 But with Bosquiot, it's almost as if people have an 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.400 idea of what the work is, but they're not familiar 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:40.480 with his work itself. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.320 Yeah, because there's so many pieces I never ever see, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.320 like the Joe Lewis stuff that so like, I really 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.400 like his stuff a lot, and that hasn't happened the 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.959 way that it has a Banksy where it's been almost 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.719 drained of its meaning and value for me as a 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.040 as a witness to it or as you know, even 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:56.600 as a participant when it's its street art. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:02.720 They're not particularly challenging the Banksy pieces. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.400 And the critique is a little bit uh wan at 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:03.880 this point. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.480 I feel like they harkened back to that early two 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.680 thousands when people were really starting to share images online 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.400 and use them as like avatars. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.520 It feels very George W. Bush, like a rock war 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.520 kind of like what's protest this like? And then carry 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.760 out to like all that World Trade Organization protest that 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.439 energy had. He's like on top of that wave surface. 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.959 You had online image sharing for the first time, so 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.800 like you could make statements with pictures more than an 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.079 other means of communication, and you could really you could 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.440 suddenly save images really easily. So yeah, full Tumblr. We 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.960 hearted picturist aspect the internet, you know, now we're like 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.160 oversaturated with it. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.360 There's a gift for everything post social media. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.559 Don't get me started on AI art, but like Banksy 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:52.600 to me, represents that time where those striking, powerful images 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.920 were harder to come by and anyway, so. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.320 It was also so easy to commodify things and to 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.199 claim them. Now you know, like not that it was 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:02.920 always easy just right click, but I mean, like it 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.920 was not the on demand. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.520 Stuff too, because you when I was looking up examples 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.679 of banks the art you can have like it's printed 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.800 on all shower curtains and like it just. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.640 Raw covers fans for your room. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.520 Bizarre. So, like I said, Banksy's real identity is not known. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.280 We don't know. Still, there are all sorts of theories 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.440 though let me give you some of my favorites. The 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.520 most popular theory is that Banksy is actually Robin Gunningham, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.800 a British artist. He was born in Bristol in nineteen 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.800 seventy three. Alliance with Banksy's known connections to that street 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.560 art scene. In two thousand and eight, The Mail on 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:49.080 Sunday conducted an investigation linking Banksy to Gunningham. Based on 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.360 interviews with former classmates acquaintances. They found all these old 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.959 photos where Gunningham has like a spray paint stencil kit 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.120 that's like similar to the banks style. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:10:59.480 Sure. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.080 In twenty sixteen, this is so crazy, scientists at Queen 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:08.360 Mary University of London used geographic profiling like you do 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:13.600 with serial killers, to analyze the locations of Banksy's artwork, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.079 and then the study found that Banksy's pieces were often 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.880 created near places linked to Gunningham's past residences and social activities. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.880 And then after like the rise to fame, Gunningham like 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.840 pretty much disappeared from public records and like, so there's 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.240 all the speculation like he's laying though. Another theory, one 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.640 that I like is that Banksy is Robert del Naya 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.280 of Massive Attack. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:38.160 This is the one I've heard. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.440 And I don't say that just because I'm a huge 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:46.000 huge massive attack, I mean like huge, but it's there's 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.120 a good argument to be made. So before becoming a musician, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.360 del Naya he was a well known graffiti artist from Bristol. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.640 He was part of the Wild Bunch crew and that 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.400 was like they were the pioneers of Bristol's street art 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.840 scene eighties. Yeah, even Banksy himself has credited del Naya 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:11.000 as an influence so right. Journalist Craig Williams he noticed 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.480 a pattern between Massive Attacks tour dates and the appearance 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.800 of new Banksy artworks. Ooh, like you can connect them 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.120 all through these various places. They both have very similar 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:26.319 strong anti establishment views reflected in their work. Banksy wrote 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:30.400 the forward to a book about del Naya's artwork in 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:35.640 twenty thirteen. Banksy's month long New York residency was rumored 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.880 to be inspired by Massive Attacks album one hundredth Window, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.880 and then when they asked him directly Delnaya, he denied it. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.640 But it's like, yeah, but I know him. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:46.720 Huh. So. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:48.600 Another theory is. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.320 The other theories actually got more. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.760 Another theory is that Banksy is Jamie Hewlett, the co 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.720 creator of Gorillas. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, there are big 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.240 similarities in like the artistic style and the sames. But 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.400 it's not like supported by evidence. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.160 Yeah, I would say that one matches like wonder wat 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.679 it just sounds fun. Yeah, I think Robert from Massive 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:06.440 Attacks much more. 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.840 The theory of what I really believe is the case, oh, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.000 is that Banksy isn't one person but rather a collective Ah. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:15.839 Of course that makes the most sense. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.400 Some people think that banks he's a group of artists 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.440 together rather than a single person. That explains like the 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.800 large scale and rapid production of work all over the. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.520 World, okay, and also the travel. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:32.200 The travel, yeah, because like multiple pieces appear in multiple 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:36.040 countries within a short time period. Uh huh, So it's 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.280 really unlikely that one person can do that. He also 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:44.000 has these large installations dismal land Waldoff Hotel that require 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.679 really significant manpower and logistics and resources. So like a 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.880 group of artists working under the Banksy name that makes 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:53.560 it feasible. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.480 Could it be like a dread pirate Robert situation where 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.280 there was a bank see, and then he hired a 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.280 new banks to be his assistant, and then he let 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.760 him become the banks and he's retired, and then that 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.480 one has found a new assistant and let him become Banksy. Yeah, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:07.960 or like Manudo. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.680 Yeah, or technically double O seven or yeah exactly. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:12.520 Yeah. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.800 I think it's like they got together and thought, let's 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:15.720 call it Banksy. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.440 I like that. That's actually interesting. And a bank of artists. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.200 Because that's the other thing. Okay, So you have all 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:27.640 these diverse artistic styles and media. There are some stylistic 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.240 differences from one piece to the next. Yeah, so that 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.440 suggests multiple contributors. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.400 This is the most fascinating. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:38.200 I know, it really is. Remember, in twenty sixteen, Queen 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.680 Mary University did the serial killer profiling, mentioned that it 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.240 found that Banksy's works were concentrated in certain areas, right, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.600 but that new ones were appearing worldwide at the same. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.480 Time, so he couldn't be Yeah, there's this. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:57.920 It would be absolutely impossible. Now it's not. Maybe. So 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.920 some compare Banksy to other anonymous or like semi anonymous 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:06.880 artist collectives like the Gorilla Girls female art activists woo ming. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.760 That's those are those Italian authors who published under a 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.000 show right, I was mystery novel, right, Yeah, it was 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:13.840 like as a woman. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.560 A woman won awards for it, and they're like, what 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:16.840 do we do? 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.320 Corpus Delecti is a French street art group, so it's 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.120 been done before. But then thanks to Reddit, there's my 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:30.560 new favorite theory. Banks he's a woman. And it's not 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.000 my favorite theory because I believe it. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.920 I'm kind of embarrassed as sex assigned. I didn't never 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:34.640 consider that. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:42.400 It's not a good theory. There there's this user Bobolon 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.840 who posted onto the subreddit pop culture chat not too 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.200 long ago, the super in depth argument that Banksy is 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.320 not only a woman, but a very specific woman. This 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.480 is actually what gave me the idea to talk about 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:01.440 banks Yeah, so Bob in Law came in hot with 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:06.400 the theory, super aggressive, like out of nowhere. To the 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.920 it appeared to be to the puzzle of the people 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.440 who post on there, it was so entertaining. So Bobylon 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.800 Babylon was sort of combative, like I said, and they 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.560 felt really passionate about the matter. It's like they kicked 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:27.040 down the door to the library's like what exactly? So anyway, 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.160 they think that Banksy is actually Scottish artist Lucy Mackenzie 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.120 hm a good Glasswegian. So I would try and explain 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.400 the theory as presented in the Reddit post, but it's 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.360 very long and convoluted. It was two parts. I only 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.520 read part one. It involves analyzing the backgrounds of photos 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:50.440 and like knowing the layouts of buildings and interpreting interpersonal relationships. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.840 It's a lot like JFK conspiracy, for like comparing a 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.320 photo and an outline of a head. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.120 Like from what angle would that see the street? And 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.520 I found the whole thing cross posted on the Banksy 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.320 suburb it and the top comment there kind of sums 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.960 it up. TikTok drop Top wrote quote, I think what 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.800 is more likely is you have an obsession with this 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.920 Lucy McKenzie girl. Your theories hold absolutely no water. They're 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.080 all ham fisted ramblings that make no sense at all 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.320 when looked at through any logical lens like ouch wow. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.160 So no matter who they really are. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.800 About coming in hot, I mean hot, hot. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.680 Hot, well Peter Tosh for you, So it doesn't matter 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:35.240 who Banksy really is. Banksy's making serious coin on the 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.280 art real. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:36.560 Yeah. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.080 And you know what happens when you have art and 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.240 you have money? Oh yes, yes, crime there it is crime. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:46.359 Banksies get stolen, even the ones stenciled on buildings. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:47.040 Yeah. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:48.920 So I want to tell you about some of these today, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.679 but first we need to pause for some ads the 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.480 rich Feast that keeps us available to the people for Freeze, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:18:24.040 and when we return, Banksy zaren bgsy. First off, did 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.080 you hear about anything cool that you wanted to buy 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:27.520 and or know about in those ads? 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.840 I wasn't listening. I was playing with the interns. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.240 Okay, great, because I was listening and I want it all. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.600 You're much more than I am. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:40.880 I am, So it's fantastic bags. His art is expensive, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.040 so it makes sense that it'd be ripe for theft, 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.040 except for the fact that most of them are on 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.520 walls of very large and movable building. 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.080 That's on wondering are you taking it down brick by brick? 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:50.720 How are you doing that? 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.000 Not all the art is on the walls. Most of 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.800 it is. There are sculptures, oh right, and they aren't small, 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.399 but they aren't a three story building. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:18:59.920 Yeah, it's not like having to take a wall down. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:00.359 Yeah. 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.440 March two thousand and four, Banksy illegally installed a ten 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:09.120 foot tall statue in a small square near Shaftesbury Avenue 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.080 in London. And the statue is called the Drinker and 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.520 so it was modeled after rodinand's the thinker, sure, but 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.760 like a sloppier version. And he had a traffic cone 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.840 on his head. And that hearkens to a very famous 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.960 statue in Glasgow, which is which is the Duke of 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.160 Wellington statue there. It was put up in eighteen forty four. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.960 It's in front of the Gallery of Modern Art, and 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.080 the good people of Glasgow make sure that he is 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.280 always wearing a traffic cone on his head. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:39.720 Really. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.640 Yeah, he's on a horse, Duke of Wellington horse four 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.400 feet down and like people scale up. It's a big statue. Huh, 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.280 always has a traffic cone on his head. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:50.320 Guy who beat Napoleon. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.199 Yeah, sometime in the eighties it started and so the 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.560 city has asked people to not keep replacing it every 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.879 time it comes down. But you can't tell them nothing. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.000 Does it mean anything to that it's fun. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.720 So twenty thirteen there was a proposal to raise the 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.359 plinth the base of the statue to make people couldn't 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.639 get out here impossible for drunkers to scale it and 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:10.600 put the cone on the head. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.720 Oh, they don't heave it up. They actually get time up. Wow. 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.040 And so the city was like, look, it cost us 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.800 one hundred pounds per call out to take it down 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.119 and we're running about ten grand a year entertainment. But 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.760 the people they rallied the plan got ditched. It's now 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.479 it's become a part of the fabric of Glasgow. So 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:34.160 during the twenty twelve someone took the normal safety orange 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.600 cone and swapped it with a gold one for the 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.320 Olympics to celebrate Scotland's contribution to the record number of 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.160 gold medals won by Team Green Britain. Oh twenty fourteen, 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.600 when the Scots were voting on independence, someone put a 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:51.200 yes cone on the head It's Glasgow. On Brexit Day 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:56.160 thirty first of January twenty twenty, pro European supporters again 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.600 It's Glasgow placed a cone painted to represent the EU 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:04.040 flag on the statue. During COVID nineteen, someone put a 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.600 blue surgical mask around the ears. Shout out to the 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.960 lockdown March of twenty twenty two in support of Ukraine 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.960 and then as a protest against Russia's invasion of it, 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.159 they put a cone with the colors of the Ukrainian flag. 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.600 Cool and then keeping on topic, in June of twenty 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.200 twenty three, to promote his exhibition at the Gallery of 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.359 Modern Art in Glasgow, they put Banks up there, you 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.240 know Banks. He declared that the statue was his favorite 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.920 work of art in the UK really because of the cone. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.840 I figure that because also the participatory in nature the 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:39.720 street as it's playful. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:44.280 It's playful and it is like you know changing, yeah, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.959 and it's I've seen so many I've first of all, 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.240 I walked by it a ton of times when I 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.320