1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brady. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: My name is Mett, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: producer Alexis codenamed Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: want you to know. It is the top of one 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: of the last weeks, actually the last week of twenty one, 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: and around the world people are cautiously hoping, Um, you 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: know that next year will be better than the last 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: hashtag no counting crows as we speak. Uh yeah, I 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: don't know about you, guys, but I encountered a lot 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: of really disturbing news. A macron is as you hear this, 16 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: almost regardless of where you live, unless you are listening 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: on North Sentinel Island. Am, A crown is running through 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: your is running through your community, So please be very careful. 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: But we are keeping this show going. Uh oh. There's 20 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: also a thing where monkeys for some reason are mass 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: murdering puppies true story, throwing them out of trees. Jeez, Yeah, 22 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: we're not gonna do that today. Today we're going to 23 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: talk about the ongoing problems with Amazon, with workers rights, 24 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: with moves toward unionization, uh, and with the great injustices 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: of late stage capitalism. We'll talk about high level, nearly 26 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: genocidal efforts at pest eradication. And then we're gonna talk 27 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: a little bit about the future. Breathing through your ass, 28 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: these are all true stories. Let's let's uh, let's go 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: in just that order we laid out now. Uh. No, 30 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: excited about how we're going to connect these stories? Yes, yeah, 31 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: so no, Um, I think maybe we start with a 32 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: story you found because all of us have had close 33 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: eyes on the ongoing controversy with Jeff Bezos company Amazon, 34 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: which is an absolute giant in the world of shipping. Uh. 35 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: You may not know it, but the bulk of their money, folks, 36 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: for a long time has been in something called Amazon 37 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: Web Services. Still, we've all heard horror stories. Many of 38 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists have written into us talking about 39 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: horror stories working in some capacity for with Amazon, and 40 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: the recent news of the tornado was just was devastating 41 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: and tragic. But just because that story has left the 42 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: news cycle doesn't mean the story ended. That's something we 43 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: always try to emphasize. And um, when I saw the 44 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: headline for what you posted, well, uh, this just blew 45 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: me away. It's one of those headlines that already has 46 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: like three terrible questions just in the first sentence, right, yeah, 47 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: it does. The headline I found on motherboard is no 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: one's life is worth a package. That's the quote. Uh, 49 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: Amazon workers are organizing for cell phone access. Wait a minute, 50 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: hold the phone literally or or don't or put it 51 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: in some sort of like, you know, our f proof 52 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: case and then you'll receive it back. What is this 53 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: a Dave Chappelle stand up special? No, it's apparently work. Um. 54 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: Many of us take for granted the fact that we 55 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: are allowed to, you know, be treated like adults at 56 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: our work and surely you know we're not supposed to 57 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: be messing around on our phones during work hours. But 58 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: it's important to have those phones to be connected to 59 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: the outside world. Two loved ones to parents maybe that 60 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: are dealing with health issues, especially in the midst of 61 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: a pandemic, and apparent children at children with the childcare, 62 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: with schools closing, who knows any number of things that 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: are incredibly necessary to have a tether to the outside 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: world forum so that you can act accordingly. But we 65 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: already know that Amazon has some pretty um inequitable I 66 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: mean to to put it mildly, policies around all kinds 67 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: of stuff. We hear horror stories about people not getting 68 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: bathroom breaks, having to urinate into jugs and all of 69 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And apparently, and I didn't know this, 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all did, but they have had 71 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: a policy in place, UM where you're not allowed to 72 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: have a cell phone when you're working in one of 73 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: their warehouses. UH. That policy was suspended I think for 74 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: a bit um because of COVID and all of that stuff. 75 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: But they're talking about putting it back into uh play 76 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: um starting in January. And as a response to that, 77 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: Amazon workers in the Mid Atlantic region, thousands of warehouse 78 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: workers in that region are organizing or signing petitions to 79 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: especially in the aftermath of this horrible UH collapse of 80 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: an Amazon warehouse in Illinois that killed six Amazon workers. UM. 81 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: They are signing have signed the petition to allow workers 82 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: to have their phones for just the reasons that I 83 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: laid out, which are pretty common sense reasons. That collapse 84 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: was due to the tornado through. That's right, it was. 85 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: And there's another sort of side story that I wanted 86 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: to mention to UM. This is only being reported in 87 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: one place. We'll get to the cell phone bit in 88 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: a second. But from next Star Media wire, UH, there 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: is a report that a particular Amazon employee, who for 90 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: obvious reasons remained anonymous in Edwardsville, Illinois was instructed. And 91 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: now drivers are a different story. They obviously have to 92 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: have a cell phone for you know, reasons of community 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: hating with their hub, you know, with their UM supervisor, UH, 94 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: and all of that for getting information and all of 95 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: that and updating you know, on routes and what have you. 96 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: But apparently when a shelter in place order came through 97 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: in addition to you know, sirens indicating inclement weather shelter 98 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: in place, UH, this employee in Edwardsville, Illinois, UM allegedly 99 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: UH texted into their supervisor who and said, Hey, things 100 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: are looking really bad. I need to come back, uh, 101 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: to which the supervisor replied. According to a screenshot that 102 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: was sent to this news outlet, Okay, just keep delivering. 103 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: We can't just call people back for a warning unless 104 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: Amazon tells us to do so. About a half hour later, 105 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: the driver said that they were hearing tornado alarms, but 106 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: was told again to just keep delivering for now, at 107 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: which point the driver responded and said, um, well, I'm 108 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: hearing a shelter in place warning. There's nowhere suit of 109 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: BOLTU shelter in place other than the van that I'm in, 110 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: which is obviously not a suitable place to shelter because 111 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: it's a van. All the places they were delivering to 112 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: were closed. I found this everything in Desert dot com 113 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: as well as Bloomberg Like. The back and forth is crazy. 114 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: The most dystopian thing I saw um in the in 115 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: the full interchange was the supervisor eventually said, if you 116 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: decide to come back to choice is yours, but I 117 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: can tell you it won't be viewed as for your 118 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: own safety, safest practices. Stay exactly where you are. If 119 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: you decide to return with your packages, it will be 120 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: viewed as you refusing your route, which will ultimately end 121 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: with you not having a job come tomorrow morning. That 122 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: is an unhelpful ultimator. Uh, it's not only unhelpful, it 123 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: is just egregiously neglectful. The final communication that was shown 124 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: in the screenshot sent to Bloomberg UM was the sirens 125 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: are just a warning. UH. Of course, not very long 126 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: after the warehouse, UH did collapse to the roof fell in. UM. 127 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: The area was hit directly by the storm system and 128 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: things went very, very poorly. UM. So that's, you know, 129 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: part of the issue. It's separate from the cell phone 130 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: UH story, but you know, it just kind of shows 131 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: the culture that we're dealing with UH in Amazon. And 132 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: there's another part of this petition. Apparently Amazon is very 133 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: bad about having people come into work when conditions such 134 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: as floods, snow, ice, and heavy storms are well underway 135 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: until they've gotten the word that packages on freight vehicles, 136 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: trucks and rail and the like are not going to 137 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: make it to the warehouse. So they are clearly prioritizing 138 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: the delivery of these packages over the safety of their employees. 139 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: I think the chain of events here makes that very 140 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: very clear. UM. So they are not only asking UH 141 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: to have their phones not taken away. UM. There is 142 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: a quote from a source that was was interviewed for 143 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: this piece in Motherboards saying taking our phones away isn't 144 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: about safety, it's about controlling us UM and last week 145 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: or yeah, this was this is from just a couple 146 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: of days ago, workers at six Amazon warehouses in New 147 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: York City and washingtd C areas delivered petitions to their supervisors, 148 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: their warehouse managers asking for just this, to not have 149 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: the phones taken away and to be compensated uh for 150 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: work if they show up, because what has ended up 151 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: happening is that they will show up only to realize 152 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: that the inclement weather has caused the packages to not 153 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: be delivered to the warehouse via the larger freight delivery, 154 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: and then they're sent home with no pay. But they've 155 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: already made the potentially you know, hour long or more commute, 156 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: and then they have to get home. And if they're 157 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: in an area like New York where they were relying 158 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: on you know, UM commuter situations like UM metro or 159 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: rail or what have you, and then those systems have 160 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: been shut down, what are they forced to do? They're 161 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: forced to pay out of their pocket for things like 162 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: uber or lift. And there is a incident sited in 163 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: this article where someone had to take a nearly one 164 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: hundred dollar uber back home or a lift rather. Uh, 165 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: and what does that mean? That is essentially they're paying 166 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: out of their pocket for more than they were compensated 167 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: for showing up in the first place, right, and which 168 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: means they might people might eventually very easily be literally 169 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: unable to afford going to work, just the cost of 170 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: going to work. It's kind of like that depressing moment 171 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: anybody's experienced if you've ever worked in food service, where 172 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: you're you're making something, be it a burger or a 173 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: case idea perhaps, and then you start thinking, well, I 174 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: get paid X amount of dollars an hour, and this 175 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: cost X amount of dollars, So how much in time 176 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: would it cost me? Is this already minutes of my time? 177 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: This case idea? It's it's a brutal reality. Ben's hungry again, everybody. Well, 178 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, case idia is a beautiful thing, There's no 179 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: question about that. Um. What's not a beautiful thing is 180 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: the idea that someone literally has to choose between getting 181 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: paid and taking care of their kids. One co worker, 182 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: um with two children of this person that was quoted, 183 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: is said to have been dealing with an issue with 184 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: their special needs children. UM Quote. There are frequently urgent 185 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: situations where she needs to tend to them on the spot. 186 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: If the school calls and says to pick up your 187 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: kids for an emergency, the schools will call child protective 188 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: Services if you don't answer, claiming neglect of your children. 189 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: Amazon is making parents choose between foregoing pay or foregoing childcare. 190 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: The focus is never on workers well being and always 191 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: about being productive. Yeah, it's really rough, and another worker 192 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: was quoted and saying what I just said a minute ago, 193 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: but better to hear directly from the person living it. Quote. 194 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: The only factor they consider with snow is if the 195 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: packages get to them. Uh. Someone from a Bronx warehouse 196 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: was quoted saying whether the trucks can get there and 197 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: vans can get out is what determines their decision to 198 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: stay open. Amazon regularly pressures people to work in dangerous weather. 199 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: Last winter, we were called into work overnight even though 200 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: a major snowstorm had already started. Many of my co 201 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: workers used personal leaf time to stay home and stay safe. 202 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: Those of us who came in worked briefly and were 203 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: then informed, to no one's surprise, that the delivery vans 204 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: would not be able to make deliveries. So work was 205 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: over for the day, and this is all coming you know, 206 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: as pressure from management, who is of course being pressured 207 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: by their management, who of course being pressured by their management. 208 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: And it all comes down from the top from Mr 209 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Bezos himself. It would seem that profits are valued much 210 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: more highly than workers safety and livelihood. And it feels 211 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: like a very very short sighted and thoughtless policy. Um. 212 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,119 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody is all about convenience what Amazon provides, 213 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: but the more and more stories like this that we hear, 214 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: the less comfortable I think people with a conscience are 215 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: going to be uh using Amazon. Yeah, I'm really glad 216 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: this is in the news now, and several of the 217 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: Amazon stories that we've covered in the past, you know 218 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: what month or so, maybe two months. I'm really glad 219 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: we're getting to talk about this stuff because we do. 220 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: It is such an a simple, convenient service that we 221 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: all have on our phones now where we can just 222 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: get things, and we sometimes just imagine that it is 223 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: that simple, but it is it. You know what Amazon does. 224 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: The logistics required is ridiculously difficult, right, and that's from 225 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: each individual person that is like having to figure out 226 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: how these things, how everything gets from place a to 227 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: be to see, to to D and then finally to 228 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: your house. Um, and then all of the individual human 229 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: beings that are actually moving that single package. It's it's 230 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: ridiculously complicated, and it should be more expensive than it is. 231 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it just should be. You could say the 232 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: same thing about the the livestock industry, right my, my, 233 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: My friends who are nationals from other countries are routinely 234 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: astounded when they see how comparatively inexpensive stuff like high 235 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: end steak is in this country. These prices are, for 236 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: a number of factors, lower than they should be. You 237 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: could reasonably argue if you factored in the prices and 238 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: if anybody out there is listening and working for Amazon 239 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: would love to hear your experiences, your war stories, want 240 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: to bring visibility to this. Uh. We also know that, 241 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a leviathan. Like you said, matt Um, 242 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: it's something that some people will have difficult salty trying 243 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: to not have uh, any involvement with or any interaction 244 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: with at some point. The thing that the thing that 245 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: gets me about this is going back to that earlier 246 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: example of the the anonymous driver who was texting your 247 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: supervisor during a tornado you'll be happy to know. I 248 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: guess at least that this driver did survive. They were 249 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: finally allowed to shelter in place because the building, the warehouse, 250 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: was not able to take packages. That was it, because 251 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: the place they were supposed to go literally fell apart 252 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: and eight people died. The supervisor finally said, well, okay, okay, 253 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: I guess I'm convinced now, UM. And this article in 254 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: Motherboard was by is by Lauren Kiori Gurley Uh and 255 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: the other one I mentioned UM from News Nation citing 256 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg report was by Michael bar Tomorrow from Next 257 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: Star Media Wire. And and just to wrap this up, 258 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: there is a statement UM from an Amazon supervisor named 259 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: Maria Boschetti or not a supervisor rather a spokesperson UM, 260 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: who previously had denied to other board that Amazon exhibits 261 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: this type of behavior pushes workers to show up during 262 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: inclement weather, and this is what she had to say, quote, 263 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: the safety and well being of our employees and the 264 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: drivers who deliver our package has always been and continues 265 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: to be our top priority. We did, in fact, closed 266 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: sites in advance of Hurricane Ida, and have closed sites, 267 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: cease deliveries or delayed shifts when appropriate in other events 268 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: involving hurricanes, flooding, winter storms, high winds, or wildfire smoke, 269 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: and we closely monitor ongoing weather events and follow the 270 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: guidance of state, county, and federal officials on the decision 271 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: of when to close the site. We evaluate different scenarios 272 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: and have closed sites when appropriate. Um, this sounds like 273 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: a company line. A lot of talking points exhibited here, 274 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: not surprising, but it does kind of run counter to 275 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: all of the evidence that we've seen, you know, in 276 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: real life. Uh. And it's also worth mentioning that the 277 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: supervisors who were presented these petitions refused to receive them, right, Like, 278 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: what's that about? I mean, I guess that's a policy 279 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: right there. They're they're told we do not take petitions 280 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: directly from employees. So they are essentially saying, we do 281 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: not hear you, we will not hear you. We're going 282 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: to cover our eyes and ears and be like those 283 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: little monkeys and those little figurines that you see at 284 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: thrift stores. Yeah, I think the I think the word, 285 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: the official word is you have to have petition prime. 286 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: They have to have that service to be able to 287 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: write correctly to a supervisor. If they can get at 288 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: they could get a thirty day trial trial petition prime. 289 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: But if you don't keep your membership, then you are 290 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: terminated on day thirty one exactly. Um. It's uh, it's rough, 291 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: and it's heartbreaking, and it's something that we should all 292 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: consider when deciding whether or not to to give this 293 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: company our business. But it's also one of these things 294 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: where they are essentially eating the cost of this delivery 295 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: fee uh and passing it on to the safety and 296 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: livelihood of their actual employees. And in order to do that, 297 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: they have to maintain the bottom line against all odds, 298 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: no way around it. Otherwise they're gonna start having to 299 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: pass on those um raises and humanitarian kind of you know, 300 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: acts towards these human beings to the customer, which in 301 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: their eyes would be a sign of failure, you know. 302 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: And Bezos does not seem like a guy that likes 303 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: to walk back anything. So it's gonna take something big 304 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: to to make this happen. And with that, let's take 305 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: the quick break here, a word from our sponsor, and 306 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: then we'll come back with some more strange news. And 307 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: we're back and we're heading out to Silicon Valley. Well, 308 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: kind of we're going to go on the map. If 309 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: you're all following along with your maps to San Francisco, California, 310 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: the Bay Area, Vallejo herself. If you're looking at San 311 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: Francisco and then you go do east, almost exactly about 312 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: thirty miles, you will find a small island system called 313 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: the Ferrellan Islands. And if you take a look at 314 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: it from the map, you make just say, oh, I 315 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: didn't even know those were there. But then if you 316 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: take your mind back to the times of Discovery Prime, 317 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: Oh remember them Prime Discovery Channel days when it was 318 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: all about just discovering things in the ocean, uh and 319 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: on Earth, well you may have seen many a shot 320 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: of these beautiful this beautiful island system. Everything from puffins 321 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: to all kinds of bird species that have been shot 322 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: by many a nature photographer exist and live on this 323 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: island system and not the Faroe Islands. Just that's a 324 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: different place if you're thinking of that one. This is 325 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: a different one. This is near San Francisco. It's beautiful. 326 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's awesome, and you've seen images of it, 327 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: I promise you. So we're going here to talk about 328 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: a rodent problem. Have you ever had one of those 329 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: where you live a rodent problem? Ifinite actually, uh taught 330 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: my top my cats. Well, I say, todd's their natural inclination, 331 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: but to hunt them, which is which is a shame 332 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: because rats are so astonishingly intelligent. It's a matter of fact. 333 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: Because I know this is off tadget But if you're 334 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: looking for a good book to read, there's a wonderful 335 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: book about the history of rats which is just called Rats. 336 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: It's available now. I would recommend thrift books dot com. 337 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: But yeah, sometimes you have to. You have to get 338 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: rid of these for the safety of human beings. Right about. 339 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: Mice can care a disease. They can absolutely demolish food stores. Historically, 340 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: they can be a problem for human beings. Yes, um, 341 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: rodents of all type, not just rats. In this case, mice, 342 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: cute mice, little ones. They're really cute actually, But there's 343 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: a lot of them, and they're on these islands and 344 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be there. Sea lions and some other mammals 345 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: exist here or like frequent in these islands, and for 346 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: a long time humans have showed up here for various reasons. 347 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: The mice came along with those humans, and they're an 348 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: invasive species they are taking over and this has been 349 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: a problem for well over a decade. And you know, 350 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: scientists have known about this does a protected wildlife area 351 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: where they realize, oh, this invasive species needs to be fixed. 352 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: We need to get rid of them. Not only are 353 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: they eating this very specific cave cricket that lives only 354 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: on this island, they're also eating salamanders that exist on 355 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: this island there disrupt think several other species that live there. 356 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: And the entire time, it has been debated, well, what 357 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: the heck do we do? How do we get rid 358 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: of all these mice? And one of the one of 359 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: the most prominent ideas was to kill him with poison. 360 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: Let's draw let's just rat poison the absolute crap out 361 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: of that island system and get rid of all these mice. 362 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: There are many many an issue with this, and that's 363 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: what brings us to today's story. We're gonna jump to 364 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: a story from way back in twenty nineteen and it's 365 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: from The Guardian. It was written by Alissa Greenberg. The 366 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: title is truly astounding. Inside the Fairyland Islands Battle against 367 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: the Plague of Mice. I would recommend you read this 368 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: first because this is this really sets up the whole issue, 369 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: and it sets up the concept of dropping thousands of 370 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: pounds of rat poison onto the island system as the 371 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: solution to get rid of all the mice. And back 372 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: in they're describing the plague like situation there, there is 373 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: a person named Pete Warzibach who describes it as sometimes 374 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: you'll see the ground moving as mice are burrowing, burrowing 375 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: their little tunnels underneath the ground. You'll see them back 376 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: and forth beginning in twenty nine. And you can read 377 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: that if you want to, and we can go over 378 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: all of these like the minutia of this if you 379 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: want to, guys. But really the main takeaway is that 380 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: if you drop rat poison on those that island system, 381 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: and even if just the rats eat it, some other 382 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: things like there's a burrowing owl species that lives on 383 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: the island, they consume the mice. And if you have 384 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of poisoned mice and those owls are consuming 385 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: the mice, then the owls aren't going to be doing 386 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: so great. The other problem is these things are like pellets. Essentially, 387 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: the poison is distributed in pellets, and there's a seagulls 388 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: species that would eat those pellets right up, they're anything. Yes. 389 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: Is there a concerned that this would get through the 390 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: food chain to humans at some point? Probably not, Uh, 391 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't affect the humans whatsoever. Just the species that exists there. 392 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: And we're talking about I think three hundred thousand birds 393 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: that frequent that that island again, as well as sea 394 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: lions and other mammals, um, just things that could the 395 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: mice could present a problem. It's specifically though I've seen 396 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: it mentioned that owl species and the salamanders. It's also 397 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: there's a problem with the specific type of poison, right, 398 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: it has a bad track record. But to just to 399 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: just to set the stage, I think you mentioned this earlier, 400 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: there's something like sixty thousand mice in total, and if 401 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: you look at the island, that translates to uh, it 402 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: translates to something crazy like mice per acre. So there's 403 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: not a way there in a pickle because there's not 404 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: a way to ccifically target like one area where the 405 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: mice are. It's every acre. Yeah, you got a carpet 406 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: bomb that, uh. And that's what the experts are saying. 407 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: The like the people who are who figure this stuff 408 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: out these hard problems are saying the only way to 409 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: get rid of all these mice is to get rid 410 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: of all of them by deploying poison across the entire system. 411 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: So that's that's article. I would jump forward just a 412 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: little bit to a Mercury News article that was posted 413 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: in June of this year. It's written by Jeremiah oting 414 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: O E. T T I N g uh. It again 415 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: just shows that this this theoretical plan of poisoning the 416 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: rats is moving forward a little bit. It's going to 417 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: be discussed by a couple of very important groups who 418 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: then actually decide whether or not this idea gets greenlit 419 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: and action is taken to make it occur. Then you 420 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: can jump to a sad Francisco Gate article that came 421 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: out on December. It was written by Andrew Chammings and 422 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: the title is controversial plan to drop poison on the 423 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: Fairyland Islands gets green light, And that just means that 424 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: the people who needed to approve it have approved it, 425 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: specifically the California Coastal Commission. This was approved as we 426 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: record this the previous Thursday. We're recording this on which 427 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: is one of my very good friend's birthday, Happy birthday, josh. Um, 428 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: it's official, it's gonna happen. Helicopters are going to drop 429 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: this rodent side, rodentist side, how do you rodent side, 430 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: rodent vibe side. But yeah, it is actually happening. And 431 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: we have a quote from one Jane Goodall, who happens 432 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: to be uh you know, one of the mostest anguished 433 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: conservationists on the planet. Oh that that Jane got all 434 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: the guerrillas in the midst one right, Yes, I mean it. 435 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: She's saying the no brainer thing here. Dropping super toxic 436 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: rat poison like this will quote inflict pain and suffering 437 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: on a great many sentient animals, which true, right, isn't 438 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: the issue too. They're they're doing this also supposedly to 439 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: protect the birds in the first place. Yes, yeah, it's 440 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: to protect several species of the again, those those cave 441 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: crickets that are native to that island system, the salamander, 442 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: the couple I think a few salamander species, correct me 443 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong on that that exists there that they're 444 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: trying to protect. Because the rodents do eat those salamanders 445 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: and their eggs becomes a major issue. They also compete 446 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: for the same things the salamanders eat. It was confused 447 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: at first. Yeah. I was confused at first though, because 448 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: I almost was was thinking that we were talking about 449 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: this was already happening, and the rodents that were eating 450 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: the poison were then being eaten by the birds. Was 451 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: killing the birds and that was the problem, but it 452 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: wasn't the problem. They're eating something else that was messing 453 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: with the birds, And now they're going to feed the 454 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: rodents poison that the birds will then in turn also 455 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: potentially eat, which will mess them up further. Do we 456 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: we're discussing the plan, like the pros and cons of 457 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: the plan? Right? The pros are you wipe those rats out. 458 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: The ecosystem functions the way it did a hundred years ago, 459 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: the way it should right theoretically before human you know, 460 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: intervention came through and introduced the mice to the to 461 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: the equation. But in in this case it has not. 462 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: You know, they haven't air dropped the poison yet, but 463 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: they're about to. They're going to, and uh yeah, I 464 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: would just I would say read this article, get an 465 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: understanding of it, because it really does seem like it 466 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: can cause a lot more problems. There's some interesting concepts 467 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: that they've referred to as hazing, where they're talking about 468 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: bringing hazing dogs out to the islands to keep the 469 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: bird away as they deploy all of the you know, 470 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: the poison, as well as using I think some predatory 471 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: birds that would fly around the islands and keep other 472 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: species away and prevent them from eating the pellets, and uh, 473 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: I believe firing off weapons and making you know, loud 474 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: noises to scare away birds as they're deploying it across 475 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: the thing. But just imagining your mind, just helicopters on 476 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: their way out from the San Francisco Bay to this 477 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: island system and then just dumping this stuff with all 478 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: the skulls and crossbones falling down from the sky. I'm 479 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: picturing that scene in Apocalypse now where the helicopters. Yeah, 480 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: the crazy thing is, guys, there doesn't seem to be 481 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: a better idea if I made Devil's advocate for just 482 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: like a split second. There is a an environmental impact 483 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: report from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. It goes through, 484 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, all of the potential fallout, and they do 485 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: say this is the best option and it is a 486 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: better alternative to what is currently happening. So while this is, 487 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, on paper, feels bad, the actual Fish and 488 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: Wildlife Service, who I would argue, is not necessarily the 489 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: kind of agency that's in the pocket of big big 490 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: poison or something like that. You know. So yeah, I 491 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: know that no one's saying that, but I'm just saying, like, 492 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: if you read the Environmental Impact Report, it offers three 493 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: possible options, and they believe this one is is the 494 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: best one. So it does seem like it's coming from 495 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: a place of goodness, even if it does seem pretty 496 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: whacks cited in the articles that you had mentioned earlier. Man, 497 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: I think, yes, like the big credibility booster for this. Yes, 498 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: I apologize. I am kind of glazing over some of 499 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: this stuff. Guys. It's it's more complicated that I'm you know, 500 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: giving you the information that I'm giving to you right now. 501 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: But uh, this this whole thing is occurring. I want 502 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: to offer one because we gotta move on to the 503 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: next thingment. I want to offer one other solution, and Ben, 504 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: you already kind of brought it up in this segment. 505 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: Instead of having those helicopters come over and dropping the poison, 506 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: what if they parachute in a strike team of cats. 507 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Y feline strike team gets in there and just takes 508 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: them all out over the course of a couple of months. 509 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: Cats so many, so many micro ecosystems or island ecosystems. 510 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: That's why the world is littered with islands that just 511 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: have mainly one like crazy life form, like snake island. 512 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: You know what, it would be a cat house. It's 513 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: also part of the reason people say you shouldn't have 514 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: indoor outdoor cats, because I've had indoor outdoor cats before, 515 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: and more often than them leaving me little rodent treats 516 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: on my front doorstep, they leave vivisected bird carcasses on 517 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: my front doorstep, so I think they almost like those better. 518 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: So this could well be a bag of cats that 519 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: we do not want to open. Okay, no, no, no, guys, 520 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna amend my my previous plan. A dozen neutered 521 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: main coons. Okay, they can't breed, are we neutering them? Like, well, 522 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty common pre neutered. Yeah, that's that's a 523 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: very common thing. I was acting like, Oh, that's not 524 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: that's so cruel to neuter these port Now that's a 525 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: thing you do to cats. I'm with you, Matt. We 526 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: should do it. We should we should submit this to 527 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: the Fish and Game Service and and and uh, maybe 528 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: they can have that as an option. See, they went 529 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: through so many other things. I'm sure there was a 530 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: debate about, like, is there a reasonable way to conduct 531 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: mass sterilization on these rooms that would that would be 532 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: another thing, right, they believe, Yeah, they went through that 533 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: whole thing, and they believed that because of the like 534 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: rise and fall of the population over the course of 535 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: a year, you could you there would be a prime 536 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: time to try and sterilize a certain number, but the 537 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: ones that survived would multiply, you know, that that escaped 538 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: that treatment would multiply so quickly it wouldn't work as 539 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: at least that was their finding. Um So, anyway, weird situation. 540 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: Just I'm really just bringing this up to I don't know, 541 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: say it's weird that this kind of thing. It's very important. 542 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: They're brilliant people thinking about this this and how to 543 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: fix it, and it's still very difficult to come up 544 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: with an answer that you know, meets all the criteria 545 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: that we want to come away with this thing, you know, 546 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: without harming a certain, you know, without causing any harm. Right, 547 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: there's never a perfect solution in these really hard problems. 548 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 1: And I think that's I don't know the message of 549 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: this Sesame Street episode that we're doing right now too, 550 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: uh yeah. Or I I propose brought to you by 551 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: the letter B brought a cool brought a thought the 552 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: poison specifically that is going to be used. Can you 553 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: spell that? Bend? People need to look that up, like 554 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: look that look this rat poison up b R O 555 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: D I F A C O U M. It is 556 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: banned for use on the mainland. Yes, And there's a 557 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: second one though, because the three options that this study 558 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: put out, Option A was to do nothing, Option B 559 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: was to use this broda falcum uh d, and then 560 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: option C was to use a different um poison called 561 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: dia faconone fifty um. And by the way, I love 562 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: the term they use here. They call air dropping this 563 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: stuff in aerial broadcast rodent baits. Yeah. Well, let's see, 564 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: it's brought to you by the letter H. For hopefully 565 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: things will work out for all the species that we're 566 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: gonna drop poison on. All right, good luck everybody out 567 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: there on the islands. If you're listening Sea Lions. Um, 568 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: it's good. It was good watching you on Discovery Channel 569 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: back in the day. All right, we'll be right back 570 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor, and we have returned 571 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. You know, a lot 572 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: of a lot of disturbing stuff is going on, as 573 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: I said at the top, but I wanted to bring 574 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: something that is in my mind hilarious because I am 575 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: emotionally three years old, and also maybe very helpful to humans. 576 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: We'll see why. The best way to set this up 577 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: is with a lovely little Twitter conversation I had recently 578 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: with Dan. Dan, you're listening. You know who you are. 579 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: Dan reached out to me at ben Bull and hs 580 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: W you can always do the same if you're interested, 581 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: and he suggested this as strange news, and it immediately 582 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: reminded me of some things that we see in science 583 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: fiction work like the ABYSS. It's some stuff we see 584 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: at the edges of medicine right now, and it's it's 585 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: something called ECMO because we all love a good acronym. Here. Uh. 586 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: Dan hit me to this by saying, Okay, if this 587 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: doesn't make it to strange News, I don't know what 588 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: will why the would scientists have come up with ways 589 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: for pigs to breathe through their rectums. That's from Dan. 590 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: It's a good question, Dan, and I want to give 591 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: credit where it's due. And I started looking into this 592 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: and that is that's kind of the future. So like 593 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: in UH in science fiction work, you know, if anybody 594 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: is familiar with the abyss or the countless deep deep 595 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: space exploration things where people travel out into the ink 596 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: beyond the Solar System and they have to go into 597 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: some kind of cryogenic state deep freeze, right, and often 598 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: they're in a they're in a capsule and they are 599 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: covered with liquid, with breathable liquid. How how are they 600 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: breathing that? It's something that we don't really spend too 601 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: much time on in the screenplays, but but people are 602 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time on it. UH in the 603 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: real world. They're trying to figure out they're they're trying 604 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: to figure out and not for the first time, how 605 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: to what we can learn from humans and like thist 606 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: mice and other rodents breathing through their assholes, what can 607 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: it teach us for humans? It's all about a process 608 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: called ECMO extra corporeal membrane oxygenation. You can read a 609 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: great report over by Nicoletta Lantis at Life Science Pigs 610 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: can breathe through their butts? Can humans. If you want 611 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: something from a paper of note, then do check out 612 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 1: Breathing through the rectum saves oxygen starved mice and pigs 613 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: by Elizabeth Preston over at New York Times. So there's 614 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: a study that most of these things are referencing, and 615 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: I hunted down this study which was published in Cell 616 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: dot com actually just earlier this year called Mammalian and 617 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: Tarrell E T E r A L. Ventilation ameliorates respiratory failure. So, 618 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: first off, obviously this has shades of South Park vibes 619 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: right where there's that South Park episode where people figure 620 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: they can eat with their butt if you remember that one, Um, 621 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: we're definitely classed up the show in this one. It 622 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: also has shades of h who's that Supreme Court justice 623 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: who was quoted and saying he was into boofing. That's 624 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: the guy which is of course either taking alcohol or 625 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: drugs up your butt as well. So we know that 626 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: that tissue, vascular tissue in the anus is very very 627 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: porous and can take in uh, you know, materials and 628 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: get you high or drunk and potentially raise your blood 629 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: oxygen levels. Yeah, and this this story of course makes 630 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: the rounds because it has such a catchy headline, right 631 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: and because but jokes are funny comes from a really 632 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: tragic place. A guy named Dr Takanori tak b at 633 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: the Tokyo Medical and Dental University and since then Children's 634 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: Hospital Medical Center, decided to study this idea himself because 635 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: his father had a struggle with lung disease and mechanical 636 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: ventilators can keep people alive when their lungs aren't aren't 637 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: functioning well. But we know this equipment, We especially know 638 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: now this equipment is not always available even before the pandemic. 639 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: And these like other people are talking about this. To 640 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: one guy, a gastro enterologists at Yale University, Dr Caleb Kelly, 641 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: originally thought it was a joke when he was asked 642 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: to read the paper. But what they're talking about is 643 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: multipurposing organs because a lot of other animals do it. 644 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: For example, than New York Times sites this. They're fish 645 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: that can use their gills to take oxygen from water, 646 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: but they can also pop their heads above the surface 647 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: and and breathe. They can have a gulp of air, 648 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: and the air they swallow, since their fish, they don't 649 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,439 Speaker 1: have lungs, right, the air they swallow goes through their 650 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: digestive track and their intestines absorb the oxygen. So yet, 651 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: so what they did first was they anesthesize some oxygen 652 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: deprived mice, and while the mice were passed out, mice 653 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: are getting it very the rough end of the story 654 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: into this week strange news. But don't worry. We're pro 655 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: mice folks. So they drug these mice, they pump oxygen 656 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: up their butts, and this procedure helps them survive longer. 657 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: But it works best when researchers scrape the intestinal wall 658 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: the interior to fin it. No, so it doesn't make 659 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: it that particular step doesn't seem super great for humans, 660 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: but it does make me think, you, guys, if those 661 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: stories of alien abductions and probes are real, maybe they're 662 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: just trying to help you know. Now I have a question. 663 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: Isn't this the kind of thing where you know, if 664 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: you did pump oxygen up someone a humans anus, isn't 665 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: there a possibility of getting like a blood bubble or 666 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: something like that? Or getting like some sort of uh 667 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: like problem in your circulatory system that could cause a 668 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: stroke or something like that. You'd have to be very 669 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: careful about the pressure and all of that, wouldn't you. Yeah, 670 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,919 Speaker 1: that's a great question. Uh it's to uh to bastardize 671 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: the great Marshall mcluin. Uh. The medium is definitely the 672 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: message here that is hopefully making the day for the 673 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: three people who care about that book. But but it's uh, 674 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: it's a good book. Um, it's not about pigs. Butts 675 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: I promise I've been doing more than just that today. 676 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: But the h to answer some of those questions, right, 677 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: the dangers of maybe having having these like gas bubbles, uh, 678 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: scientists try delivering oxygen in a liquid form, so they 679 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: make the chemical like a per floral chemical compound. And 680 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: this had even been tested as a as a type 681 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: of artificial blood uh a couple of decades back in 682 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's. They they found that it boost 683 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: blood oxygen when an animal is really really deprived, and 684 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: they were surprised at how good it was when it 685 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: came to addressing severe hypoxia. Because you know, your colon 686 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: is capable of filtering substances into the body. The issue 687 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: here is that we have to be very careful with 688 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: the mix too, because it's not just like the medium 689 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: through which this is delivered, you know, liquid or gas, 690 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,720 Speaker 1: but it's also it's also a problem of humans being 691 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: able to function on pure oxygen. Pure oxygen is not 692 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: what you're breathing as you listen to this now, And 693 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: if you breathe too much pure oxygen, it can be 694 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: bad for you. As counter and tuitive as that may sound, 695 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: it can have deliterious effects on your body. Can it 696 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: also get you high? Like, isn't that a thing like 697 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: oxygen bars? Or it's a way where people can literally 698 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: huff pure oxygen and it might makes them get more intoxicated, 699 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: or in and of itself can get them intoxicated. But 700 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: you don't like stay there for the whole weekend or something. 701 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: It's just like a quick hit. I've actually noticed that uh, 702 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: drug stores now sell canisters of oxygen that you can 703 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: with like a nose piece on it, that you can actually, 704 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: you know, huff yourself. Maybe huffing is not the right word. 705 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: Maybe that's only a term that's used for uh breathing 706 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: in you should not be making that's real like huffing 707 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: canisters of oxygen. Just yes, I've seen them in Walgreens. 708 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah you guys. Uh no, my neighborhood, there was it 709 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: oxygen bar just just across the street from the barbecue 710 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: place for a long time before the pandemic, and I 711 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: still didn't understand that. I think you could. They would 712 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: give you oxygen and they would also hook you up 713 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: to I v S, which just h it seemed like 714 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: a disaster waiting to happen for me. I wish them 715 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: the best, but I've never been in there. Yeah. I 716 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: go to old school bars and just just really quickly. Yes, 717 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: if you look online, you've used a website called sport 718 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: Ease pilot Shop where you can buy a large boost 719 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: oxygen ten liters of oxygen for give yourself a boost. 720 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: Oxygen deficiency symptoms include fatigue, stress, loss of energy, and 721 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: lack of focus. So, uh, this literally comes in a 722 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: thing that looks like an air freshener, but it's got 723 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: a whole thing that's fitted for your mouth and nose. 724 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: You just go suck right on that bad boy and 725 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 1: choose yourself up. And uh, I want to give points 726 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 1: to an internet forum always reading the first person who 727 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: obviously didn't read the headline it said, uh, obviously read pass. 728 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: The headline said, pigs can breathe oxygen via the directum, 729 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: so humans probably can. To top rate a comment, what 730 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: if I don't want to breathe through a pig's rectum, 731 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: kudos to you, zop not so I want to bring 732 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: us to I think a very accessible piece on this. 733 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: It was on News Scientists. It was also on the 734 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: French version of Slate. The New Scientist article is great. 735 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: It's just from a few days ago. It's by Michael 736 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: la Page and the headline is scientists keep inventing ways 737 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: for pigs to breathe via their rectum. Uh. Right now, 738 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: One of the things I want to do is try 739 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: trillions of tiny oxygen bubbles micro bubbles of oxygen, because 740 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: this can work if the lungs are maybe damaged by smoke, 741 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: or if they're damaged by you know, a disease or 742 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: a medical condition. But it really comes in when there 743 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: are very, very dangerously low oxygen levels such that you 744 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: would have to put someone on ventilator. So these oxygen 745 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: micro bubbles, their conjecturing can be just cycled in and 746 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: out of the body. It might even be a long 747 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: term sustaining therapy for severely injured patients. They just haven't 748 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: tested it out to those time points. So right now, 749 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: as you listen on this little spaceship Earth, somewhere I 750 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: don't know if this comforts who are scares you, fellow 751 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists, But somewhere right now, whatever you're doing, there 752 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: are a bunch of very smart people. We're staring at 753 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: pig butt holes and they're thinking of how to save 754 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: your life, which is simultaneously gross gross out humor and 755 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: also kind of really inspiring. You know. This is why 756 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you guys. We can get in 757 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,839 Speaker 1: the weeds of this, but we wanted to keep this 758 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,479 Speaker 1: one a little bit short. I wanted to ask you, guys, 759 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: if you were given the choice between you having a ventilator, 760 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: which is a very painful thing, you know, um or, 761 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: or having some let's just call it backwards breathing to 762 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: be diplomatic, you know what I mean, just taking the 763 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: gas in instead of putting it out. Let's be adults. 764 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: The average human farts seventeen to twenty three times a day. 765 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: It's normal. You probably farted while you were listening to this. 766 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 1: What do you think about contaminating our own oxygen supply 767 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: by expelling while we're supposed to be absorbing. Sorry he 768 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: farted into the oxygen feed. I don't know. I feel 769 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: like I don't want to sound like a prude, but 770 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: I feel like I would go with the ventilator just 771 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: because I already understand that science rights it is. But 772 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you get that far, we know that 773 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: people that end up on ventilators sometimes there's no coming back. 774 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: So if this was a way to keep you from 775 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: getting onto the ventilator, maybe it gives people more of 776 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: a fighting chance. Yeah, maybe maybe it's uh, maybe you 777 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,280 Speaker 1: can do both one one in the butt, one of amount. 778 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound comfortable, No, it doesn't. It doesn't. Um. 779 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 1: It would require some specialized equipment, that's for sure. But yeah, 780 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: by the way, this this UM, this this oxygen that 781 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: you can buy at the the drug store. Like I 782 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: was saying, it is controversial. Uh, and it is a 783 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: relatively new thing, likely a product of COVID because you know, 784 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,359 Speaker 1: the very reasons we're talking about people that are having 785 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,320 Speaker 1: like low blood oxygen levels because of you know, their 786 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 1: reaction to to the virus UM and it is supposedly safe, 787 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: but it's the jury is still out and I think 788 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,919 Speaker 1: the fact that it's not a medical grade oxygen makes 789 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: it legal to sell over the counter. But it's still 790 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: so new it's kind of weird. But I have noticed 791 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: at it's at a at A Walgreens and CBS is uh. 792 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: And it's weird too because it like tastes like peppermint. 793 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: That makes it sound like some something fun, you know, Yeah, 794 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: you know for kids. They're marketing to kids, just like 795 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: cattle and vaping. So uh. Back to dr take and 796 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: back to the idea of the um this new sort 797 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,439 Speaker 1: of oxygen delivery in humans, it could save lives. Dr 798 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: to cab a part of my pronunciation there. Doctor has 799 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: begun to start up in Japan called e v A Therapeutics. 800 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: E v A we're all adults here stands for Enteral 801 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: Ventilation via anis as the name of his technique. That's 802 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 1: what he wants to call the company. Uh. They're still 803 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: in the early stages, but this means that clinical trials 804 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: on being a butt breather can begin as early as 805 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Forward to the future, right, what a 806 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: time to be alive. I'd like to end on on 807 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 1: Dan saying, because Dan followed up, Dan has been haunted 808 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: by this for about a week. Dan said, you know, 809 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: I believe that if we find ourselves having to develop 810 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: new ways for pigs to breathe via the rectums, perhaps 811 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 1: the problem isn't with the pigs. What scientists work on this? 812 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 1: Is there an American Society of Pigs, rectum journal, two 813 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: people go at pigs ref thoms conferences? And why is 814 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,720 Speaker 1: one way not enough? So more ways to make pigs 815 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 1: breathe through the rectums are needed? Isn't there a way 816 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: to leave pigs out of this? Asked Dan? 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