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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Norri with you, William she and

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Speaker 2: with us. Currently working as a telemetry technician. WILLIAMS. Shean

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Speaker 2: is a writer and the host of a popular podcast

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Speaker 2: called Bigfoot Terror in the Woods. He studied oriental medicine

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Speaker 2: and massage therapy in many forms. Avid Fisherman birdwatcher whose

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Speaker 2: interests were stirred in Bigfoot at a young age. To

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Speaker 2: date that he has a series of thirty nine books

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Speaker 2: and audiobooks, including his latest seven book Regional series, just completed. William,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the program you're on with my colleague

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Speaker 2: Richard Saratt a few months ago.

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Speaker 3: Yes, awesome, awesome to be with you, George. It was

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Speaker 3: a pleasure And Richard is just a delight to be with.

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Speaker 2: Great guy. He really is based up there in Toronto, Canada,

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Speaker 2: our Canadian neighbor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's always plugging the Canadian rock band you know, he.

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Speaker 2: Sure is does big Does Bigfoot roam around Canada too?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yes, I have one of the regional

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Speaker 3: books is strictly uh Canada and uh this stuff going

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Speaker 3: on up in fact, probably One of the first encounters

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Speaker 3: I ever received was out of Alberta, and there's plenty

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Speaker 3: of activity. There's activity all over the place, George. You know,

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Speaker 3: we just don't hear about it, you know, And that's

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Speaker 3: that's part of the dilemma, right, you know, people are

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Speaker 3: seeing things, but they don't speak about it, you know.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'd say for every account that I hear of,

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Speaker 3: it's probably a thousand that I don't hear of. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just that way. People come out of

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Speaker 3: the closet once in a while and they tell you

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Speaker 3: what they have to say, and uh as for the

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Speaker 3: rest of them, you know, Mum's the word.

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Speaker 2: How did you get interested in bigfoot sightings, William?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know I got interested in Bigfoot with the

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Speaker 3: Patty film, you know, way back when I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna be I'm closing in on seventy now. And when

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Speaker 3: I first saw that, I just did it rang as

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Speaker 3: true to me. And then you know, with my medical training,

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Speaker 3: I have a degree as an occupational therapist and you know,

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Speaker 3: we studied, amongst many other things, muscular activity in the

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Speaker 3: human body, the skeletal structure. And after I had finished

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Speaker 3: that and really got to thinking about the Patty film

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Speaker 3: again and looking at it. I mean, there was no

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Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that that creature was a living

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Speaker 3: being that they photographed. Particularly in that day and time

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Speaker 3: with the technology and the cameras that were available, that

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Speaker 3: creature was legit. I mean, I had no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: George, what do you think Bigfoot is, William? We've heard

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Speaker 2: all kinds of theories that it could be extraterrestrial, dimensional, physical.

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Speaker 1: What do you think it is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's both. I think we're seeing a

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Speaker 3: flesh and blood creature and then we're actually seeing something

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Speaker 3: that is being mimicked, if I could use that word

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Speaker 3: by maybe some nefarious forces, satanic forces, even I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but it seems to me that, uh, you know, as

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Speaker 3: far as flesh and blood creatures go. Years ago, George,

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Speaker 3: I worked for a major shipping company. I won't say

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Speaker 3: the name, but we wore brown uniforms, and one of

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Speaker 3: the guys that worked in the hub where I worked

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Speaker 3: had gone into a taxidermy shop. Now we had a

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Speaker 3: carte blanche access to most of the places we delivered to.

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Speaker 3: In fact, one of the a portion of the route

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Speaker 3: I had when I finally got my own. Route was

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Speaker 3: a major laboratory and you could just walk around. People

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Speaker 3: saw the guy in the brown uniform. You just walk in,

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Speaker 3: you had your packages, You went all over the place

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Speaker 3: right And he walked into a taxidermy office that's still

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Speaker 3: near me to this day, and he had he told

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Speaker 3: me this. He had walked up to the counter. The

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Speaker 3: radio was playing loud in the back room, and there

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Speaker 3: was a satellite swinging doors like a saloon type setup,

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Speaker 3: and he shouted out for the guy and there was

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Speaker 3: so he knew what was going on. So he had

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Speaker 3: already stepped through these saloon type swinging doors and on

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Speaker 3: the table on his taxidermy table was the head of

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Speaker 3: a bigfoot with the juices like running out onto the

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Speaker 3: top of the table and a plastic sheet. So he

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Speaker 3: kind of felt like, well, I shouldn't be seeing this

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: When the guy came out, you know, they exchanged green

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Speaker 3: and say how you doing, man, I got a couple

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Speaker 3: guy at all about what he saw. And he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Of a.

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Speaker 3: Critter for a client of mine.

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Speaker 1: You know, So.

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Speaker 3: He had seen that thing, and when he told me

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Speaker 3: about it, I wasn't so much interested in big Foot

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Speaker 3: at that time, but I loved into my memory bank

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Speaker 3: that Cliffy had seen this thing, you know. And then

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Speaker 3: of course we went on further in my life. I

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Speaker 3: gather information and whatnot, and of course the books and

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Speaker 3: the podcast now and everything else, so it kind of

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Speaker 2: I was always, I always believe that Bigfoot was a

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Speaker 2: very docile animal. Then I saw the title of your book,

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Speaker 2: Bigfoot Terror in the Woods, and said, maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: So what is that situation we you Well, the thing

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Speaker 4: is like, in my opinion, is Bigfoot going around tearing

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Speaker 4: people the shreds.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that at all. I'm simply repeating what

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Speaker 3: some have told me, you know, relatively their findings, what

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Speaker 3: they saw activity. There seems to be a violent nature

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Speaker 3: to some of these creature and others. You know, you

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Speaker 3: don't know unless you're attacked, right, If something walks by you,

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Speaker 3: you say, oh, okay, it doesn't want anything to do

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Speaker 3: to something you don't want to be involved in. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like running across a bear, right. One

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Speaker 3: bear might just be walking by, and then suddenly that

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Speaker 3: and now we're into something totally different. It reminds me

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Speaker 3: a lot of when I was young. I had a

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Speaker 3: come out with the tail wagon like they knew you

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Speaker 3: and they wanted to pet them, And then there.

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Speaker 1: Were other dogs.

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Speaker 3: Every time that dog was near or out loose by

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wanted you.

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Speaker 3: Of course. So I think the same thing is in

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Speaker 3: its simple as forms, is true with the Bigfoot. To me,

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Speaker 3: you have all kinds of dispositions to animals, and on

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Speaker 3: You know, and you don't know, you don't know. But

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Speaker 2: Well, you just brought up something kind of interesting as

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Speaker 2: well when you mentioned the bear. I don't think I've

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Speaker 2: heard a story of anybody finding a bear carcass in

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Speaker 2: not unusual that you you don't find a body of Bigfoot.

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Speaker 3: Well, I interviewed a fellow that came to me through

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Speaker 3: years ago. He was Guide of the Year in Colorado twice.

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Speaker 3: He was working for thirty years on a ranch that

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Speaker 1: No longer there anymore.

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Speaker 3: And I won't get into that because maybe I shouldn't,

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Speaker 3: But thirty years he was back there, he was guiding.

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Speaker 3: taking people out hunting for big dollars. He had several

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Speaker 3: told me that was very interesting was that in all

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Speaker 3: of be saying now, a mountain lion, a bear, and

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Speaker 3: of course not a bigfoot. And I thought that was

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, would have been able to run across

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Speaker 3: being a guide out there, it would have been him. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's not it's not as people. You know,

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Speaker 3: when I talk to people at work and other people

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Speaker 3: They were always kind of throwing jabs out there, a

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Speaker 3: poking fun like, well, how come nobody ever found one?

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Speaker 3: You know, Well, how come you don't know your shoelaces

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Speaker 3: are runtied? You know, maybe maybe people are looking and

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Speaker 3: they're looking in the wrong places, or you're just walking

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Speaker 3: by it. I mean, what makes you think you're just

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Speaker 3: some type of state of decay in the there's nine

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Speaker 3: How much of that do you think people are actually

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Speaker 3: walking through? A treading art? Not a lot, George. You

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Speaker 3: think about just dinosaurs. Nobody even knew dinosaurs existed until

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Speaker 3: I'm not comparing bigfoot dinosaurs, but there was no knowledge

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Speaker 3: happen with Bigfoot. I believe these creatures are probably burying

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Speaker 2: They might be a little more sophisticated than we think

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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you think about it, George, most creatures

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Speaker 3: lot of other creatures, obviously we all know, cannot do.

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Speaker 3: And if they just had limited mental resources that were

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Speaker 3: a step or two above your average bear, as they say,

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Speaker 3: why not they seem to be to figure out? I mean,

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Speaker 3: and you know, so who's to say this creature can't

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Speaker 3: figure things out? You know? For in my opinion, it

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Speaker 3: seems that most of these creatures are stumbled upon when

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Speaker 3: like they literally have come out of cover and you

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Speaker 3: spy them from afar, or you know, you're going down

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Speaker 3: something leaps across the dark street up in Washington. It's

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Speaker 3: a random event. They're generally not coming out. It seems

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Speaker 3: to me they get caught off guard, like a lot

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Speaker 3: it's hard to say. It's hard to say, but I

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Speaker 3: do believe they have some type of limited intelligence. And

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Speaker 3: it's all it's all speculations because there's no proof to

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Speaker 3: even what I'm saying. But we have opinions.

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Speaker 2: Right, how big do you think the Bigfoot community could

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Speaker 3: My guests, thousands. I think there's probably thousands of these

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Speaker 3: twenty thousand, that is a speck in the bucket as

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Speaker 3: I had a fellow that had a big foot siding

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Speaker 3: he told me had forty five hundred acres of property. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he had a ranch that was forty five hundred acres

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Speaker 3: And I said, holy smoked, and he said, that's nothing.

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Speaker 3: My neighbor has twenty thousand acres. Wow. So his he

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Speaker 3: had a friend that was kind of like a wise

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Speaker 3: guy with them, and he was talking to him about

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Speaker 3: it with me. And he's tooken his friend about bigfoot

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Speaker 3: and he's poke in front of him and he said,

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Speaker 3: let me ask you something. Have you ever seen a bear?

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Speaker 3: And he said no. And he said, do you know

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Speaker 3: it's estimated that there were over six hundred bear just

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Speaker 3: in our district here and you've never seen one. So

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Speaker 3: you know, first of all, I always say people are

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Speaker 3: seeing something because they're looking. So I'm an observer of

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Speaker 3: the heavens and the earth. I'm looking at the surface

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Speaker 3: of water, for bad action. When I'm fishing, I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at currents, I'm looking at stars, constellations, identifying airplanes, bird watching.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I am just somebody who's looking. But there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of people, especially today, George, with the walking

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Speaker 3: looking at anything. There could be something flying over their heads. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and they wouldn't even.

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Speaker 1: Know it, you know.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's that way that not everybody is out

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Speaker 3: there looking. Who's going to see something? Something can walk

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Speaker 3: right by them and they're completely unaware of it. You know.

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Speaker 2: I saw a guy looking at his cell phone, William,

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Speaker 2: and he smacked right into a telephone pool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody told me. In Japan they are putting like

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Speaker 3: So they're putting some type of illumination on the curbing

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Speaker 3: before you step falk pick the oncoming draffiicuh. But that's

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Speaker 3: what really neither hear nor there. The fact is that

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Speaker 3: people see something because they're looking, you know. And I

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Speaker 3: talk to people about paying attention to your feelings. I

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Speaker 3: believe that we were given by God the senses for

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Speaker 3: a reason, and one of those senses is when you

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Speaker 3: or wherever you are, you get that sensation of like warning,

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Speaker 3: pay attention. And because people are so inundated with noise

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Speaker 3: and visual effects these days and whatnot, I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of that has gone by the wayside, and your

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Speaker 3: average human being. Now, when I talk to other people

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Speaker 2: Have you had any stories that Bigfoot would show emotion?

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Speaker 3: Not as far as I'm concerned, though, just feats of

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Speaker 3: physical strength that are off the chart. For instance, one

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Speaker 3: that he had built a He took a large floor freezer,

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Speaker 3: like an old frigidare or something, you know, these big

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Speaker 3: and he had he was using it as a venison locker,

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Speaker 3: and he went outside one day and he saw that

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Speaker 3: venison was taken out, so he got kind of ticked off,

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Speaker 3: and he put a latch on it, bolted it through

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Speaker 3: with carriage bolts which had those flat rounded heads on him,

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Speaker 3: and the nuts were on the inside of the freezer,

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Speaker 3: and then he put a master lock on it. So

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Speaker 3: now he's got this venison locker all hinge up height,

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Speaker 3: and something went in there and ripped ripped the lock

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Speaker 3: and the hinge off the locker or the treezer chests

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Speaker 3: and emptied it out.

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