1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Am I the asshole for announcing my wife's second pregnancy 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: in front of my sister who can't have kids and asked. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Us for money for an IVF treatment. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 3: Sometimes you just got to rub it in, you know, like. 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: Salt in the wound. They say it's good to put 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: salt in the wind. 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: My wife and I have a three year old son 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: and we're expecting our second child next year. Both our 9 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: children were conceived via IVF. We spent years trying for 10 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: a first with no success, and it took four cycles 11 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: of IVF to have them, which that's expensive, like probably 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: forty K. 13 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Could be more. It was brutal on my wife. 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we both felt like trying for biological children 15 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: was the way to go for us. We tried naturally 16 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: for a second child after our first turn one, but 17 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: had zero luck. We were left with money for one 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: cycle of IVF, which we decided to pursue if we 19 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: didn't have any luck naturally, which we didn't, so they're like, okay, 20 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: let's send it accept. Around a year ago, my wife 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: and I were gearing up to start the ball rolling 22 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: on our IVF journey when my sister came and asked 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: if she could have the money to try IVF herself. 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: My sister has no biological kids, but does have an 25 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: eleven year old step son. She has endometriosis and PCOS 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: with PCOS. 27 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 3: Oh, now we have someone to look stuff up for us. 28 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: Riley Siri, you're fired. 29 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: So no more periods means maybe no more kids. 30 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: It sounds like at least reduced chances. 31 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Russ the chances of having a child. Yeah, and she 32 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: has never been able to have a child. Her step 33 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: son is not very close to her and they've had 34 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: problems with him since the start of the marriage. Her 35 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: step son has always brought up the fact that his 36 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: dad married again too soon after his mom died, and 37 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: how my sister is trying to replace her. 38 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're getting that told to you by an eleven. 39 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: Year old kid, that ic dude. 40 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: They just know how to fucking go after your throat. Really, 41 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: though he ran away from home three times already, we 42 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: also had the police and Child Protective Services on their 43 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: door because he tried to get removed from their care. 44 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, kid is rebelling our main for saying 45 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: no is we wanted to give her son a sibling, 46 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: But I can't lie and say the dynamic in her 47 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: home wasn't on my mind too, and I wasn't sure 48 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: it was a good idea to bring a new baby 49 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: into their home when things are as bad as they are. 50 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, babies don't solve problems, They just cause more add 51 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: to it. 52 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: We waited for my wife to be far enough along 53 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: before announcing our last IVF cycle worked. We did this 54 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: at a family dinner. Everyone was happy for us, everyone 55 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: except sister and her husband it is. She started making 56 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: snarky comments about how it was no big deal when 57 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: we already had another kid. I told her, given our struggles, 58 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: it was a big deal. Our parents told her she 59 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: should be happy for us. She then starts ranting and 60 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: raving about how selfish we are to deny her motherhood 61 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: and deny her and her husband the chance to have 62 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: a family together. Our other sister pointed out about her 63 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: step son. She told her she's not his mother and 64 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: he hates her guts, so it's not like she'll ever get. 65 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: Any joy out of mother. H My God, nuclear, Jesus nuclear. 66 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: I understand that it's that you know she he's going 67 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: through it too, but it's like that is just so 68 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: obviously just say like, hey, I hate that you're having 69 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: another kid. 70 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, like come on, like I did a little bit. Yeah. 71 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: I told her I was sorry she could not have 72 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: a kid of her own, but she didn't get to 73 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: demand we sacrifice a second child for her trues. She 74 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: then told me I held her step son against her. 75 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: I told her I couldn't say that it hadn't crossed 76 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: my mind that bringing a child into what is already 77 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: a complicated mess would be a bad idea, all right, opie, 78 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: maybe a little too far, yeah, but that it was 79 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: beside the point because we wanted another child. He told 80 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: me I was an asshole for humiliating her in front 81 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: of the whole family and picking a fight with her. 82 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: I told her she picked the fight, not me, but 83 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: I didn't gauge. So am I the a hole? I 84 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: want to know what everyone else thinks? What would you 85 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: do in this situation? But John, what do you think? 86 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Here's my question? Why do people think babies magically solve problems? 87 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, because it's like it's hard to raise 88 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: a kid. 89 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: I just want to understand where this like mythical idea, 90 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: Like where did it come from? 91 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I think people that don't have kids are thinking like, 92 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's like like a cute little like 93 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: golden retriever. But that looks like me, right, you know, 94 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: Like I think people think babies are just going to 95 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: be like cute, easy things to just like hang out with, 96 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: and that's just not the case. 97 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: Have these people seen a baby, Like, I don't know. 98 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: It just makes me you've only seen the cute parts 99 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: of a baby. You also don't know what you're getting 100 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 2: into when you're becoming a parent. 101 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: That's true, and you know what, we've seen even more 102 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: flawed logic on this podcast, so I guess. But the 103 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 3: sister is so out of line, Like I totally understand, 104 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: and you know, empathize that you're going through it as well, 105 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: and you know it's probably hard to see like oh, 106 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: like I'm trying so hard for a kid. They have 107 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: a kid I can't afford IVF Like, like, I understand 108 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: that that doesn't give you license to completely tear someone down. 109 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 3: And you're also not entitled to someone's. 110 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: Money or there I mean, and that money equals a 111 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: second child too, so you're not entiled to their second 112 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,559 Speaker 1: born child. 113 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: Yes, we would love to know what you think. 114 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Put your answers in the comments below, and what would 115 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: you sacrifice. 116 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: Your second born child for? Let us know in the comments. 117 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: Let's get into the next one. 118 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: See, yeah, there he is. 119 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: I told my girlfriend she is forbidden from speaking Japanese 120 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: to my Japanese family. 121 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Wait, forbidden, forbidden, forbidden. You can't speaking the forbidden language, Sam, 122 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: stop talking to me in English right now? 123 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: Wei wa? 124 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: Thank you? Finally someone who gets it. 125 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: Oh man, that is Japanese. 126 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: That is due. This guy can't prepar is that high 127 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: or something? What is it? 128 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: What is like I am or something? What thought you? 129 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: Wah wah? Yeah? I think let's see whatshi? What thoughta means? 130 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: I am nice? What thought shea? Sam? Well? 131 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: Now, I thirty five, male, have met my girlfriend, female 132 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: thirty at work. We're both interpreters. We've been together for 133 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: a few months, and Thanksgiving will be the first time 134 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: that she's going to meet my parents. 135 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if interpreters have really good communication. That is 136 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: a great question, you know, would be ironic if they didn't. 137 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: If they didn't, I guess we'll find out. I could 138 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: see that happening. 139 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: Actually, I would argue these two have terrible communications. 140 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see why. 141 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: I'm half Japanese. My dad is Japanese and my mother 142 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: is American, but my mother learned Japanese so she could 143 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: connect with the paternal side of my family. Me and 144 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: my siblings, that's so sick. That is dope, That is 145 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: super dope. Me and my siblings all speak Japanese. However, 146 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: none of my siblings spouses do. So it's like his 147 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: brother's wife, all of them, they don't. None of them 148 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: speak Japanese. My girlfriend, Sasha started learning Japanese before it 149 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: got popular. She started learning that when she was fourteen. 150 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 3: Has both a ba and an ma in Japanese translation 151 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 3: and interpreting. She's basically sounds as close to a native 152 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: speaker as possible. She's got like degrees and degrees on speaking. 153 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: Japanese, degrees in Japanese. Oh yes. 154 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: However, I warned her that she shouldn't not try and 155 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: speak Japanese when meeting my parents or grandparents, and that 156 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: this is I'm reading this verbatim. She's forbidden from using it, 157 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: even while I use it with my siblings. Why because 158 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: I don't understand You don't understand, Sam, because she's forbidden. 159 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: I don't get it. Wait, I really do. I have 160 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: I don't get it. 161 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: I don't I don't make no sense. She asked why 162 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: a reasonable. 163 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: Very reason. 164 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: See, I thought they were gonna have really good communications. 165 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: That your job is to literally interpret when other people 166 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: are saying come on, and yet you can't interpret, you 167 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: being an asshole. 168 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: Good god. She asked why, and I told her that 169 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: I would hate for my sister in laws and my 170 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: brother in laws to be uncomfortable because they don't speak Japanese. 171 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: And I don't want her to become my parents and 172 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: my grandparents' favorite because we've only been together a few 173 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: months and it wouldn't be fair if they liked her 174 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: more than my sister in law of ten years who 175 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: doesn't speak Japanese. 176 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: That is the fucking dumbest reason ever. That is so dumb. 177 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: I don't want my family to like my girlfriend too much. Yeah, Sam, 178 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: what if they like her too much? These are real 179 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: questions that need real answers. This is so dumb, real questions, 180 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: Like it's crazy, this is like a real person we 181 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: are out here with this. 182 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: My gosh. 183 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: She said that that is perfectly fine. No, I'm just kidding. 184 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: She said that that's ridiculous. It is ridiculous and she 185 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: said that she shouldn't have to hide it. I said, 186 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: perhaps later when we've been together for longer. Wait now, 187 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: she asked if she had to pretend to not understand 188 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: me and my siblings when we talk. 189 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: This is such a weird I like, she's like actually 190 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: like trying to accommodate this buffoon. Like, do you want 191 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: me to like a lie about that? I study it? 192 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Do you want me to just like be like. 193 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: Just just create a whole different Yeah, she's got to 194 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: like wear a confused face like, wow, I don't know, 195 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: I don't saying, to which I said, exactly. 196 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what a fucking idiot, idiot. 197 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: She got she got really weird and just went home 198 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: for some reason. 199 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: Wait, no, he doesn't say that. He says that she. 200 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: Got really weird and went home. That's what he said. 201 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: Fucking idiot yo, okay, yoh it zero social skill? 202 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: Then, oh my god, she's been kind of distant lately. 203 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: And I told a friend about this, and they said 204 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: that I was a major a hole. Yes, and if 205 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: they asked her about her job, she would have to 206 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: lie as well. Yes, Now I admit I hadn't thought 207 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: about that, because you're an idiot but here's the thing, Sam, 208 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: But I still can't see anything that I did wrong. 209 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: So I'm this is great the verbatim exact line. So 210 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: am I the a hole for demanding she lies? 211 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Yes, unequivocally. This is the dumbest dude on the like 212 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: on the internet. 213 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: You know, but he doesn't want her to. And what 214 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 3: if they like her too much? 215 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: Who is worried about their family liking them too much? 216 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: You know? 217 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 3: What if? What if they like her too much? And 218 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: they're like, Hey, we love you so much that we're 219 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: gonna right here and now we're about to sign our 220 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: will over to you. 221 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're excommunicating all mass fucking. Your dumbat's boyfriend is 222 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: no longer family. You are adopted. 223 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: We like, yeah, we would like to adopt you, so 224 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: you can't. We like to do a switch, so then 225 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: we adopt you. So now you can't legally marry him 226 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: because he would be your brother. Mm And now, so 227 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 3: OPI is just worried about about keeping a healthy relationship 228 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: where they're allowed to get married legally. 229 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, he's fucking he's fucked. 230 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: Yeah,