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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I've tried, I've learned. I've been
Speaker 1: here at this company for two years and I feel
Speaker 1: like that's one of the first lessons that you learn
Speaker 1: while in the inside these walls is to product place.
Speaker 1: But Boys, I mean, there's a lot of news for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys over the last about twenty four hours, I
Speaker 1: guess since we last recorded this, and some of it
Speaker 1: has to do with injuries, some of it has to
Speaker 1: do with what the owner said on one oh five
Speaker 1: three before Rob Phillips was on there, and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about what Jerry Jones said in his interview this morning.
Speaker 1: But we also saw that anything can happen in the
Speaker 1: NFL last night, as on Monday Night football. Did raise
Speaker 1: your hand if any of you guys thought that the
Speaker 1: Bengals were going to take down this Steelers? Anybody anybody
Speaker 1: and points yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bench Roethlisberger yesterday.
Speaker 1: I bench Roethlisberger in my fantasy So that tells you
Speaker 1: everything you need to know. We picked that game. We
Speaker 1: did not because I didn't think, no, no, none of
Speaker 1: us would have picked the Bengals in that game at all.
Speaker 1: There's no way any four of us would have picked him.
Speaker 1: I guess you could have. That was kind of suggesting
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, there's no way, I said, Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati. What does that tell you about my confidence
Speaker 1: level in that game. Your confidence level is very low
Speaker 1: already because you are in last place of our pickums.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, buddy, because we're brother, we're happy,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing the base base in the dweller. Whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the to the pick ums, well, we'll
Speaker 1: get to our pickums on Thursday. But uh yeah, anything
Speaker 1: can happen with the U with the NFL any given week,
Speaker 1: and we saw that yesterday with the Bengals taken down
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. But I get into a couple of
Speaker 1: cowboys notes here, guys. Is yesterday Mike McCarthy talked about
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh who suffered a bit of an ankle injury.
Speaker 1: Was not any kind of break. It was a sprain
Speaker 1: is what they originally had marked it at rob But
Speaker 1: what are you hearing about Layton Vanderesh And what did
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy have to say about that first round linebacker's
Speaker 1: injury again yesterday? Well he I think Layton said after
Speaker 1: the game he told Nickiedman he thought it was high ankle.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy didn't termine it as such. But if it's
Speaker 1: high ankle or not, if there's some ligament damage, there
Speaker 1: are some things that are really bothering him. Then it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to come back this week, and Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy said it could be a couple of weeks. Well,
Speaker 1: there's two weeks left in the regular season, so we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. They'll take a closer look at him
Speaker 1: throughout the week, and you know, maybe treatment can help it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know he's gonna try or want to try
Speaker 1: to give it a go. But Mike McCarthy didn't sound
Speaker 1: too confident that that Layton would be ready to go
Speaker 1: in fact of all the injuries they had, and they
Speaker 1: had a few injuries in the game, Michael Gallup with
Speaker 1: a hips train, Antoine Woods with a sprain ankle um.
Speaker 1: You know, Layton's got the longest shot probably to play
Speaker 1: in this game Sunday. How big of a loss would
Speaker 1: that be for this defense? Isaiah whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh, because we've we've been critical of the linebackers,
Speaker 1: and that's no joke, I mean, or I guess that's
Speaker 1: no secret. Rather this season, I mean, we've been all
Speaker 1: over the linebackers whenever it comes to their play Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith some weeks, other weeks it's Laton Vanderesh. But what
Speaker 1: kind of impact does not having fifty five back out
Speaker 1: there again, because we saw that earlier in the year
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a mass. Be honest with you,
Speaker 1: if there's ever a game where we didn't necessarily need
Speaker 1: him as much, I think it would be this game.
Speaker 1: I think he's I don't think he's as mobile as
Speaker 1: like a Joe Thomas, so I think, you know, bringing
Speaker 1: him in and Jalen, I think we're gonna need some
Speaker 1: guys to be able to run around at the second
Speaker 1: level to handle this onslaught. They were about to face
Speaker 1: all this all this moving, all this motioning, all these
Speaker 1: you know sprint outs and bootlegs. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: need some guys that can run around. And I think
Speaker 1: Lv's is a little a little stiff, so um, let them,
Speaker 1: let them, let them get healthy, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think we'll be all right. I couldn't. I'm on the
Speaker 1: whole other side of that. I think this is a
Speaker 1: this would be a week that we would need him
Speaker 1: ums and I think it Obviously he hadn't had the
Speaker 1: best year from a production standpoint, but He has been
Speaker 1: a lot of the brains on the defense, and that's
Speaker 1: not saying a lot, I guess when you're in the
Speaker 1: last place as a defense. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: we have to please take into account that this is
Speaker 1: going to be an NFC East rivalry game and it
Speaker 1: needs to be all hands on deck. But everybody's hurt
Speaker 1: at this point. And I did not like to hear
Speaker 1: high ankle sprain. Man, they it sounds so, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: high ankle sprain. It's really nothing. No, high ankle sprain
Speaker 1: is a big deal and guys have had to be
Speaker 1: out for months because of it. So I really didn't
Speaker 1: enjoy that. But you know, Lvee and his time coming
Speaker 1: back from just the clavical all of those things. Man
Speaker 1: he is. He's you know, had a lot of criticism
Speaker 1: this year, but man he If we've had any success,
Speaker 1: fifty five has been a part of it well. And
Speaker 1: if you think back to the Philadelphia game back in
Speaker 1: Week eight, in terms of volume linebacking, Layton Vanderesh wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily an effective player. He only had the two tackles. However,
Speaker 1: he did have that strip Zack fumble in that game,
Speaker 1: and he hit Carson Wentz and he knocked that ball
Speaker 1: free and that was one of the I think three
Speaker 1: turnovers in that football game, Isaiah. So whatever you're talking
Speaker 1: about Layton Vanderesh versus this offense, I know it's not
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz back there anymore, and it'll be Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: as that was officially announced yesterday that Jalen Hurts will
Speaker 1: be the starter against the Cowboys in Week sixteen. But
Speaker 1: do you think that not having that volume style linebacker
Speaker 1: in the middle of that defense could potentially make things
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher on guys like Jalen Smith. No,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I if there's anything any way in
Speaker 1: which we're gonna miss him is right be just front
Speaker 1: of an intellectual side. But I don't think anybody sitting
Speaker 1: here with a microphone in front of her face really
Speaker 1: understands who's really leading that. I think we can make
Speaker 1: our assumptions, but we don't know how much how much
Speaker 1: responsibility he's really holding. We could we know what the
Speaker 1: position typically holds in terms of responsibility, but I don't
Speaker 1: know how much you know Lbe actually has to has
Speaker 1: to do out there. Um. But um, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think we need to be more agile than anything
Speaker 1: this game. And I just think that, you know, whether
Speaker 1: he's injured or not, obviously we never want our players injured,
Speaker 1: But whether he was on the field or not, I
Speaker 1: think we're I think we're more mobile and we're more athletic.
Speaker 1: M with with with Thomas and Um and Jaalen out there,
Speaker 1: Jaalen is agile. I just want to ask he's at
Speaker 1: Hey he could run in one direction. I'll put him
Speaker 1: that way. I think he's fast, Yeah, he could, he
Speaker 1: could running one direction. I don't want to say he's
Speaker 1: fast anymore because we saw that he's fast without the
Speaker 1: ball in this sad how about that? That's fair, that's fairy.
Speaker 1: What were you gonna say, Rob? Oh No? I mean
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how they how they divvy
Speaker 1: up the linebacker snaps if there's no Layton in this game,
Speaker 1: because I think Sean Shaun Lee had twenty seven snaps
Speaker 1: in the game. I spent most probably after Layton went out.
Speaker 1: Um Joe Thomas had seventeen. And look, they're they're only
Speaker 1: playing two linebackers basically the entire game at a time,
Speaker 1: it's mostly nickel sub package work. So Sean Lee, you know,
Speaker 1: I know it's down the road here in his career.
Speaker 1: There are actually more questions to the coaching staff about
Speaker 1: would Shawn Lee make a good coach after his playing
Speaker 1: career yesterday than you know, what's he what's he looking
Speaker 1: like on the field this year as a linebacker? But wow,
Speaker 1: but I hit hit hit, Yeah, I don't, I I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I think he's I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked if that's in his future after he's playing,
Speaker 1: for sure. But I mean it's funny when you think
Speaker 1: about Shawn Lee's career. Some of his best games have
Speaker 1: been against the Eagles. I'm thinking about that play a
Speaker 1: few years ago he stopped Darren Sproles in the backfield.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys come back and get a big win. They're
Speaker 1: gonna need him, you know. And and Joe Thomas I
Speaker 1: think was underrated and what even though the defense struggled
Speaker 1: early in the season, obviously, I thought he played pretty
Speaker 1: well with more snaps too, So so I think, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they've they've got some options, but I mean
Speaker 1: i'd rather I'd like to have Layton in this game. Uh,
Speaker 1: just you know, somebody else to potentially cover back there,
Speaker 1: because Jalen Hurts presents a totally different dynamic this week
Speaker 1: than Carson wentz Will. Speaking of option, I mean there's
Speaker 1: a decision to be made around Layton vander Esh coming
Speaker 1: up this offseason. I mean, this is the end of
Speaker 1: year three for him, and he was a first round
Speaker 1: draft pick and you have that fifth year player option
Speaker 1: or team option rather that you could pick up on
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh. But heck, what has been your your
Speaker 1: idea of Layton this year? Your evaluation of Layton vander
Speaker 1: Esh this year? Because I think overall there's been some
Speaker 1: good from Layton as we've seen. He wasn't necessarily twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen Layton Vanderesh, but this is still one of those
Speaker 1: years where it's been injury ridden and he's missed a
Speaker 1: ton of time. Yes, beginning to be cliche when you
Speaker 1: say I can't you know, it's hard to judge a
Speaker 1: guy in a season like this. The same would be
Speaker 1: for Lady. But if the question is will you pick
Speaker 1: up his option? Heck, yeah, you know two times because
Speaker 1: you know how tough he is and he's everything that
Speaker 1: we need in a linebacker. I mean, coming off of injuries,
Speaker 1: he's fault to get back on the field, and I
Speaker 1: think with Layton Vanderesh on our defense, it just makes
Speaker 1: it that much better. We're trying to look back at
Speaker 1: a time of twenty eighteen, his rookie season, to see
Speaker 1: if he could conjure up some of that. I think
Speaker 1: he's grown as a linebacker. But with our defensive front,
Speaker 1: it really hasn't. These guys hadn't had those lanes to
Speaker 1: run in. They've changed the defense and there's been so
Speaker 1: many different things that has impacted both of these guys.
Speaker 1: Is played. But if it if you're talking about bringing
Speaker 1: Layton Vanders back and picking the fourth year option up,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all on board for that. Rob Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if they didn't. Um. I think that
Speaker 1: you know, it's been a it's been a tough year
Speaker 1: for him. You guys reference the injuries. I think at times,
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've gotten after Jalen Smith. Everybody has
Speaker 1: in terms of recognizing things and you know, being tested
Speaker 1: with your eyes and diagnosing plays. I think you've seen
Speaker 1: plays where Layton has has had problems there too. I
Speaker 1: think you know, you could put the whole all that
Speaker 1: on the entire front seven lineback and corps with some
Speaker 1: things that the teams have done against them, especially in
Speaker 1: the running game. Um, but I still think they view
Speaker 1: him as a as a centerpiece for their defense going forward. Zah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna swipe it, I'm gonna swipe it up,
Speaker 1: just like Jayalen. I'm gonna swipe it. I'm gonna pick
Speaker 1: it up. And Uh, the reason being, he's just I
Speaker 1: think I get a vibe about l V that he's
Speaker 1: that he's really coachable. You know, he's really coachable, that
Speaker 1: he's really dedicated as a hard worker. He's not going
Speaker 1: to complain if he's if he's healthy enough, he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: So I think all the all the check mark all
Speaker 1: the boxes that you want to check off, you pretty
Speaker 1: much get with him. Now, There's obviously areas that he
Speaker 1: has to improve, but I think he's he's determined enough
Speaker 1: to want to improve in those areas, and anytime you
Speaker 1: have a guy like that, you want to retain them.
Speaker 1: And also not to mention the defensive tackles and the heck.
Speaker 1: I think he did a nice job of talking about
Speaker 1: this a moment ago, but I want to go deeper
Speaker 1: into it because at the start of the season, we
Speaker 1: looked at these at these linebackers and said, if they
Speaker 1: can have a little bit of help from the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle spot, then we're gonna feel better about how they are.
Speaker 1: And they didn't get that early on from don tarre Poe.
Speaker 1: We didn't get that early on from I mean, we
Speaker 1: did maybe a little bit from Tristan Hill, but it
Speaker 1: was inconsistent from a second year defensive tackle. That's expected,
Speaker 1: but they haven't necessarily had that help at the linebacking spot.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's something that will grow into next year.
Speaker 1: But can you blame the defensive tackle and the push
Speaker 1: up front just as much as the linebackers and some
Speaker 1: of their inability to make plays this year. They work together,
Speaker 1: and they work together, especially when you're you have a
Speaker 1: defense like a three four two gap responsibility. That's why
Speaker 1: they have the two gap responsibility to allow the linebackers
Speaker 1: to run freely. You saw at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: season when Isaiah was talking about Terry Poe just you know,
Speaker 1: getting pushed to the ice cream truck, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard for any any linebacker to try and through that.
Speaker 1: And so for if my in the brinks truck and
Speaker 1: in my eyes, I just feel like when you look
Speaker 1: at the draft, it's gonna be so easy to go
Speaker 1: for all these you know, sexy center pieces uh in names.
Speaker 1: But the Dallas Cowboys need a big boy upfront, a
Speaker 1: guy that can actually a couple of guys that can
Speaker 1: hold those offensive linemen up and keep them off of
Speaker 1: our linebackers sold they can shit and just run downhill
Speaker 1: in the running game. What we've seen every time you
Speaker 1: turn on the tape, you see offensive lineman getting to
Speaker 1: the second even third level and before any I mean
Speaker 1: all the way to the safeties before anyone puts a
Speaker 1: hand on them. And it's because of our lack of
Speaker 1: a push up front. So you know, look, our linebackers
Speaker 1: have taken the brunt of the not the brunt of
Speaker 1: they taking a lot of criticism Jaylen Smith has. But
Speaker 1: there's a cause and effect to all of this. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: making a bad play is making a bad play, But
Speaker 1: you have to be honest with yourself as an organization
Speaker 1: and say, look, scheme, personnel, all of those things may
Speaker 1: not have matched up very well. And the by product
Speaker 1: of that is the ranking thirty second on defense. I
Speaker 1: feel like one of the biggest things we talked about
Speaker 1: the entire offseason together was more size upfront. Was going
Speaker 1: to free up the linebackers to go make a bunch
Speaker 1: of players that just that did not happen. I think
Speaker 1: it's gotten better at times and the season's gone on.
Speaker 1: With Devil Gallimore, Uh, that might have been his best
Speaker 1: game the other day. Tristan hill Is is his return
Speaker 1: and his development is one of the most critical things
Speaker 1: to this entire defense next year coming back healthy. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna They've got a way that in terms of
Speaker 1: how they addressed that position, because I know they like him,
Speaker 1: but I agree with Hecma that they've got to find
Speaker 1: some some studs inside to to help because that that
Speaker 1: might be the top priority honestly for me. Ziah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. L v I and Jane
Speaker 1: Smith were bamboozle. They were led astray. Uh, they were
Speaker 1: running them up. They were they were a hood wheat
Speaker 1: uh uh. When you when you allow these guys just
Speaker 1: to come down hill, I mean they're too They're totally
Speaker 1: different linebackers. The things that the things that are being
Speaker 1: asked to them right now are outside of them. Um,
Speaker 1: this outside of them and it's outside of them, it's
Speaker 1: outside of this scheme, and um, it's it's unfair in
Speaker 1: a sense. So in some regard you obviously you don't
Speaker 1: want to you don't want to judge them too harsh.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's still professionals. Bro, You're
Speaker 1: still professionals. You have to adjust, you have to even
Speaker 1: though it's not what you do, right, you still try
Speaker 1: to figure out a way. Right, It's just it's just
Speaker 1: what it is. It is what you do in the league. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: guess what. You might have been a quarterback, but now
Speaker 1: you're receiver and you play everything on special team. You
Speaker 1: just figure it out, right, you figure it out. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that these guys have figured
Speaker 1: it out to the level and the quality in which
Speaker 1: I think that that they're capable of. But um, Lvee
Speaker 1: and we're talking about him, Yeah you bring him back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too. I'm right there with you guys,
Speaker 1: and I we're not necessarily talking about the linebackers in space.
Speaker 1: That's a different issue that I think the linebackers that's
Speaker 1: that's their problem. And we saw that with Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: and that that the crossing route from Jordan Reid inside
Speaker 1: the ten yard line and then Jalen Smith was just
Speaker 1: kind of off kilter for a good amount of time
Speaker 1: on that play. Uh, and it did not look good.
Speaker 1: There's there's problems with the linebackers, and there's definitely some
Speaker 1: improvement that needs to be had at the position. But
Speaker 1: they can definitely use some help, especially in the run
Speaker 1: game from that defensive tackle spot. Maybe Neville Gallimore will
Speaker 1: give that to you along the way, Maybe Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: coming back, We'll find a way. Maybe you resigned Gerald McCoy.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna make a prediction, and this might actually
Speaker 1: be better suited for the Draft show which is coming
Speaker 1: up at ten thirty, rather than maybe the Fucking Cowboys podcast. However,
Speaker 1: I'm prediction. I'm gonna make a prediction here, and my
Speaker 1: prediction is that the Cowboys are gonna take a defensive
Speaker 1: tackle in the second round. I think they take a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in that second round pick, and I think
Speaker 1: it's I think they should them to do it. Now,
Speaker 1: what are you up with you, Kyle? I think that's
Speaker 1: that's no. You just plugged the draft show on our show,
Speaker 1: on our show, but I also plugged in in Cowboys
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Speaker 1: Yeah that I edited the video and put the names on. Wow,
Speaker 1: and and you know stuff. See, I'm gonna move right passes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push on because nobody wants to hear us
Speaker 1: talk about this. Let's go into another edition of Fans
Speaker 1: on the fifty Fans on the fifty Chris Beam as
Speaker 1: always doing fantastic work in the back. So our first
Speaker 1: question comes from Tony Baker, and Tony says, with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys consider packaging Zeke or dak and a draft pick
Speaker 1: to pick up mister Trevor Lawrence from the Jacksonville Jaguars,
Speaker 1: who currently hold that number one overall pick, and he
Speaker 1: said it would help with their salary cap issue. What
Speaker 1: do you guys say about Tony's question here? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a fire one. We can
Speaker 1: maybe spend some time on this one. Woking let up.
Speaker 1: I feel like you would have something great to say here,
Speaker 1: like you see you are seeing boy? Are you bad? Um?
Speaker 1: Tony Baker? You got you got a point? You got
Speaker 1: a point. And the salary cap is going to be
Speaker 1: a problem. But one of the things about the salary
Speaker 1: grap the salary cap problems in the Dallas Cowboys, we
Speaker 1: know how to maneuver around that. And you know, look,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of schools of thought on Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: and he is the attractive pick. There are people that
Speaker 1: will be tanking for Tarzan. We will not be one
Speaker 1: of those teams. We will not be doing that. And
Speaker 1: Even the notion of putting Zeke and Dak in some
Speaker 1: type of trade is like, man, we'd be giving up
Speaker 1: a dime for a penny. You don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: As a team that is building towards the championship that
Speaker 1: you want, you have a lot of the pieces. I
Speaker 1: don't believe that anyone believes that their quarterback is the
Speaker 1: past that you need. Dak has proven time and time
Speaker 1: again that he is a winner. He can get it done.
Speaker 1: So let's not even start that. Let's get us a
Speaker 1: big boy defend tackle and let's show let's get this
Speaker 1: defense together. Man, but don't start talking taking for Tarzan.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna have no tanking for Tarzan from heck, Rob,
Speaker 1: who do you got on this one? I want Isaiah
Speaker 1: to go last. No, because trading, trading players with big contracts,
Speaker 1: It's not like you trade them and the contract just
Speaker 1: goes away. There's that pro rated um signing boats money,
Speaker 1: signing bonus money that accelerates into your cap. So uh,
Speaker 1: it's not that easy. Even if you wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: It's fun to talk about, but no, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't see that. And I also see whoever's got the
Speaker 1: number one pick. They're taking Trevor Lawrence and they're they're
Speaker 1: unplugging their phone because I think he's as can't miss
Speaker 1: of a prospect as there is in the last several
Speaker 1: years at quarterback. And I think whoever whoever gets him
Speaker 1: is gonna take him new question, whether it's Jacksonville or
Speaker 1: the Jets. Uh, you know, Kyle, there's there's a there's
Speaker 1: a comedian on Instagram by the name of Tony Baker.
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorites. And I'm not sure sure
Speaker 1: if this is that's the same Tony Baker, because this
Speaker 1: is almost hilarious. It's hilarious, and UM, you know, I
Speaker 1: I Tony. We appreciate your question. Um, but I this
Speaker 1: is not a move that you make. Man. You hold
Speaker 1: on to your guys. You figure out a way to
Speaker 1: maneuver around them. In terms of the salary cap. You
Speaker 1: do what you do. You pay the GMS. Well, the
Speaker 1: GM pays himself, uh to do to do that that
Speaker 1: very thing. And um, you know you have you have
Speaker 1: Will McClay and an amazing, amazing uh scouting department. You
Speaker 1: let those guys go do what they do and fit
Speaker 1: guys into the system. So I kind of want to
Speaker 1: play a little bit of Devil's advocate here, and I
Speaker 1: don't actually think Tony, thank you for your question. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great question. A lot of people might
Speaker 1: scoff at this question, but it's something you could consenter,
Speaker 1: especially with the salary cap looking like what it's gonna
Speaker 1: look like by going down this next year, the bigger
Speaker 1: piece of the pie going to Dak Prescott coming up
Speaker 1: in the next contract. I mean, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of factors going into this, and with Trevor Lawrence up
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft, I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with Rob a little bit more of nobody's going to
Speaker 1: really give him up at all. I don't see it
Speaker 1: would have to take a ransom of everyone's ransom to
Speaker 1: try and go up and get this guy, especially for
Speaker 1: a team that needs a quarterback, and that's gonna be
Speaker 1: who ends up picking him. Jacksonville or New York, doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: they both need a quarterback. And then the third team
Speaker 1: that's in that list, Cincinnati, they don't need a quarterback,
Speaker 1: but they just won yesterday, so they're out of the
Speaker 1: running for that first pick. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that go into this decision. But with the cap issue,
Speaker 1: taking a quarterbacks not necessarily out of the question here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you trade pieces to get there,
Speaker 1: but going and taking one of these quarterbacks not just
Speaker 1: a Trevor Lawrence, but you've got a Zach Wilson, You've
Speaker 1: got a Trey Lance a justin fields that are up
Speaker 1: there at the top of the draft. Heckma, would you
Speaker 1: think about doing that instead of maybe trading pieces away
Speaker 1: because you talked about you don't want to trade your future,
Speaker 1: which is Zeke and Dak, but you also don't want
Speaker 1: to hinder your salary cap issue, and that's what Dak
Speaker 1: and Zeke are doing at the moment. Yeah, And the
Speaker 1: thing the great thing about our organization is our general
Speaker 1: manager is one of the best deal makers to ever
Speaker 1: be born. So he's if he wanted to get that done,
Speaker 1: he could get it done. But I believe that everyone
Speaker 1: in this organization believes in Dak Prescott, and as it
Speaker 1: relates to getting some of those other names, I think
Speaker 1: we may be in pole position to take someone in
Speaker 1: the later rounds. I mean, I think though, if we're
Speaker 1: just gonna throw out the guy like the Florida quarterback,
Speaker 1: he's Kyle trash. He's a good he's a trash, is
Speaker 1: a great he would be a great pickup, but in
Speaker 1: later rounds if he's there, maybe as a developmental guy,
Speaker 1: and they've talked about getting guys that you can develop
Speaker 1: to maybe use as trade bait for LA. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I don't think we're in a position to even
Speaker 1: be talking about replacing Dak at this point. I think
Speaker 1: we have to go into next season. We're trying to
Speaker 1: get our defense together and also getting some key pieces
Speaker 1: on our old line because we see what having these
Speaker 1: multiple injuries is gonna mean. Is Lyell Collins is going
Speaker 1: to be is he gonna be able to come back
Speaker 1: from the labroom? How much life does Smith have in
Speaker 1: him at the left tackle. There's so many questions that
Speaker 1: have to be answered. What we already have is the
Speaker 1: centerpiece of our organization and Dak Prescott, so no justin Fields.
Speaker 1: All of those guys. I wish them well and I
Speaker 1: think that I hope that they are great pros, but
Speaker 1: they won't be Dallas Cowboys. Rob. Yeah, I'll give you
Speaker 1: to bring it back to the Transformers. I'll give you
Speaker 1: the beatle answer, the very boring answer. I think Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is the guy. He's the guy here, He's not.
Speaker 1: I just don't I said this on the fanom minute ago,
Speaker 1: like call me naive. They've got a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do, roll up their sleeves and get this deal
Speaker 1: done in the off season. But I think it gets done.
Speaker 1: I still believe it gets done. I think you know,
Speaker 1: I just mentioned in the same breath Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: probably you can't miss prospect. However, when you find a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, and they found a franchise quarterback in Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: I don't think you let him go. And I think
Speaker 1: by all council will be healthy next off season. They've
Speaker 1: got to figure out the money and the length of
Speaker 1: the deal. But I think we found out what he
Speaker 1: means to this team beyond the field, in the locker room,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I don't think you want to
Speaker 1: let that go. Isaiah, what robs it? That's a beatle answer.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a beatle answer if I've ever heard one,
Speaker 1: but double beatle, double beatle answer. So, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the comments on this periscope stream because I was
Speaker 1: looking for some other questions in terms of fans on
Speaker 1: the fifty. But I don't even know how to say.
Speaker 1: Is this Opie eighteen brings up a good point and
Speaker 1: he says, if the old Lion can get a little
Speaker 1: bit healthier, you'll see Dak and Zeke flourish next year.
Speaker 1: And we had this conversation about Zeke yesterday of he'll
Speaker 1: be back, and we think he'll be back in terms
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one and what you'll see from him
Speaker 1: as opposed to what you've seen in twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: now that he's kind of hindered with a calf issue
Speaker 1: that might linger end of the final two weeks of
Speaker 1: the season. But you think that's the case. Do you
Speaker 1: think that both Dak and Zeke Isaiah are going to
Speaker 1: have a better twenty twenty one season than you even
Speaker 1: saw this year? Because remember even when Dak was healthy,
Speaker 1: he was still playing without Lyle Collins and without Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith on that offensive line at the same time. Yes,
Speaker 1: they'll be better, yes, Zeke, I mean this officer line
Speaker 1: would be healthier. So that means when this officer line
Speaker 1: is healthier, I guess what your quarterback plays better when
Speaker 1: this office the line is healthy. Guess what your running
Speaker 1: back plays better, so I'm gonna answer your question. Yes,
Speaker 1: I said, are you okay? You good, dude, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Are you sure? I'm sure? Okay? All right? Well Rob,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta do al commercial. You gotta do it. Okay, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll go to a break. I'll go to a break.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sending in your questions on fans on
Speaker 1: the fifty. Isaiah has forced us to take an early
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Speaker 1: one of those episodes Ladies and Gentlemen that I wish.
Speaker 1: I wish we had behind the scenes footage four. I
Speaker 1: really do. I think it would be hilarious because we
Speaker 1: just figured out that Rob pe Island. It's not just
Speaker 1: Rob pe Island, it's Rob Dangerous pe Island because danger
Speaker 1: is his middle name. So there's a lot to now.
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Speaker 1: or oh man, I just I am that just happened?
Speaker 1: This is this is I'm sorry everybody, I really am.
Speaker 1: This is a fun show. Heckma Harrison, Rob Phillips, Isaiah
Speaker 1: Stanback I'm Kyle Yama is just trying to keep this
Speaker 1: thing on the rails the final couple minutes and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's already too late for that. Um. We did. We did,
Speaker 1: even from Jerry Jones this morning, Rob, And this was
Speaker 1: a couple minutes before you you had your head on
Speaker 1: the radio this morning. But Jerry went on there and
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this season and a lot of
Speaker 1: generalities of twenty twenty in the Dallas Cowboys, some of
Speaker 1: the challenges that they've had to deal with as a
Speaker 1: front office. And I think one of the things that
Speaker 1: stuck out from his interview was not only his answer
Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott and negotiations, which Rob, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you could decipher that for us in a minute,
Speaker 1: but I definitely couldn't. At the same time, but there
Speaker 1: was also no Pro Bowlers named yesterday by the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys for the first time since nineteen eighty nine, and
Speaker 1: Rob his answer was kind of intriguing on that one
Speaker 1: because the way he spun it one was salesman asked
Speaker 1: if I've ever heard it of somebody who hasn't had
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowler in close to three day or over
Speaker 1: three decades now, but yeah, nineteen eighty nine was the
Speaker 1: last time they had a Pro bowler, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: there were Pro bowlers on that roster, they just weren't
Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers. Yet they went on to win three Super
Speaker 1: Bowl titles. But what did you take out of that
Speaker 1: from Jerry Jones today, Rob and what else he had
Speaker 1: to share? Answer? Yeah, I mean I see his point,
Speaker 1: not necessarily that they've got a bunch of first and
Speaker 1: second year guys that are going to make a bunch
Speaker 1: of Pro Bowls. I think Ceedee Lamb is in that category.
Speaker 1: I just think it comes down to availability for a
Speaker 1: lot of the guys, especially on offense. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think if they're marginally healthy this year or Dacks probably
Speaker 1: in it, probably at least one receivers in it, Zack
Speaker 1: Martin's in it, Tyrn Smith is in it. So you're
Speaker 1: you probably have a few on offense. Defensively, I mean,
Speaker 1: based on the way they've struggled this year, I don't
Speaker 1: think you could you could pick out a defensive player
Speaker 1: this year. Maybe, but I think injuries prevented them from
Speaker 1: at least getting I don't know, four or five guys
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl this year on offense, was there anybody,
Speaker 1: Isaiah that you would look at and say there was
Speaker 1: a snub in terms of the Pro Bowl? But the
Speaker 1: only one that even remotely comes to mind for me
Speaker 1: is DeMarcus Lawrence. But even then, I don't know if
Speaker 1: the numbers stack up against the other edge rushers that
Speaker 1: ended up making that roster. No, I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: was close. I don't think anybody was closed. I think
Speaker 1: the only reason why Martin didn't get is because his injury.
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't have as much chick on the field.
Speaker 1: But aside from net, nobody was even close to being
Speaker 1: in the same conversation as a Pro Bowl. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. I mean, Tank does so many little
Speaker 1: things that help you. Yeah, but it just in terms
Speaker 1: of the sack numbers people that are voting or go
Speaker 1: look at it and say yeah no, so yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean in a down year like we've had, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have expected it. Um and even offensively, if you
Speaker 1: look at any of our guys as far as you know,
Speaker 1: rookies who Sydney Lamb got off to a pretty good start,
Speaker 1: but then obviously with the quarterback changes, offense just completely
Speaker 1: went off the rail. So defensively. If I would have
Speaker 1: been shocked if anyone on our defense had made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, that would have just been some home cooking.
Speaker 1: It would have been some payola going on. And I
Speaker 1: think they outlawed that a long time ago. But I just, uh,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it happened. I didn't think that it
Speaker 1: would happen and wasn't shocked about it. I think, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: mister Jones's answer is correct. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: look at your team that way. Yeah, I've got some
Speaker 1: guys snubbed eighty nine, but on that team was one
Speaker 1: Michael Lervin as well. So I mean, I think we'll
Speaker 1: take the Super Bowls in the future for this team
Speaker 1: any day if we can get there. So I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, look at Pro Bowls are one thing, and
Speaker 1: one thing about Pro Bowls. I think people have started
Speaker 1: over the years to discredit guys that make the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl anyway. So I mean, maybe, look, it's a big
Speaker 1: deal going to Hawaii, dueling all those things, but when
Speaker 1: you know, Jalen made the Pro Bowl last year, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Kyle, you'll have some words about it.
Speaker 1: I do have words about it, but but you know
Speaker 1: what you know what. That's go ahead, Kyle, No, no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say. First, Well, like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't have completely completely shocked you if Jalen made it
Speaker 1: this year, because yeah, because I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't know if it would Yeah, he's second and tackles
Speaker 1: and we're talking about people that are just if you
Speaker 1: just look at the stats. Plus he got a pick
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving in front of a national televisor that's the
Speaker 1: kind of plays that you make that that get people's attention,
Speaker 1: Like that wouldn't have like completely completely shot Plus he
Speaker 1: made it last year. Like head, it's not a bad
Speaker 1: point also to kind of go along with the numbers
Speaker 1: that you were talking about in the tackle numbers. Tony
Speaker 1: Cassius tweeted on game day and I shared this with
Speaker 1: Isaiah whenever I saw it in the in the studio
Speaker 1: while we were watching Tony Cassius of Cormer of course
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion with the Cowboys. He tweeted he said,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith is the best tackler ten yards down the
Speaker 1: field in NFL history and best ten yard tackler in
Speaker 1: NFL history. And it's like, oh, that's kind of true.
Speaker 1: I mean he kind of waits for everybody to get
Speaker 1: to the line of the game and then finally takes
Speaker 1: him down. But you're you're not wrong. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what the Pro Bowl turns into at some point. And
Speaker 1: last year it was a fan vote that got him
Speaker 1: in as an injury replacement. And that's why Heckman and
Speaker 1: I have had this conversation on numerous occasions, whether it's
Speaker 1: before a high school football game or just like sitting
Speaker 1: down having coffee or sushi or whatever we're doing, it's
Speaker 1: it's always about Jalen Smith. Somehow it always comes back
Speaker 1: to this, and he knows that that just my gears
Speaker 1: that he made the Pro Bowl in twenty nineteen. But
Speaker 1: I don't see anybody on the did you're gonna invite
Speaker 1: any of that? Oh my gosh, here we go. I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting on mine. I didn't get to invite any
Speaker 1: of that. So don't mean it don't mean to like
Speaker 1: distract what you're talking about their Isaiah, but what we
Speaker 1: should do. What we should do is lit Pro Football Focus,
Speaker 1: pick the Pro Bowl. A lot of guys in the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. You didn't think with me, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think agree with that either. I don't either.
Speaker 1: But I think the Walkers Lawrence is ranked up as
Speaker 1: one of the top the years, and also Jaylen Smith
Speaker 1: as a linebacker. So I don't know what they are
Speaker 1: how they put these equations together out there in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and Pro Football Focus, but I think they are not
Speaker 1: watching the games. Jalen is an entrepreneur in an investors
Speaker 1: oh gosh. But I think maybe the only ones that
Speaker 1: you could have potentially put names in the hat for
Speaker 1: was Dela on the defensive side of the football and
Speaker 1: maybe a Marii Cooper on the offensive side because of
Speaker 1: what Amari has been able to do as without without
Speaker 1: his quarterback. I mean without a quarterback really. I mean
Speaker 1: you could talk about the numbers that he accumulated earlier
Speaker 1: in the season, but he's had a good year and
Speaker 1: he's most likely going to hit a thousand yards in
Speaker 1: the next two weeks without a singular quarterback throughout his
Speaker 1: entire season. So I think Cooper had a good run
Speaker 1: at it. I think to Marcus Lawrence has played well
Speaker 1: for those who watch it on tape, But if you're
Speaker 1: looking at the numbers, which is what Pro Bowler, Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl voters do, it's ultimately not going to work out
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. For the Cowboys this year. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm actually a little surprised Act didn't make it. I know,
Speaker 1: he only played ten games this year so far, but
Speaker 1: I mean he's just got the name now, you know,
Speaker 1: six straight Pro Bowls. I thought maybe that was still
Speaker 1: enough of time on the field to get in. But hey,
Speaker 1: it's got in some time, right, Yeah, it's unfortunately in
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. He'll be He'll be back in there
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, they won't take very long. And so
Speaker 1: I guess this would also mark him as maybe the
Speaker 1: first time in his career that he's not an All Pro.
Speaker 1: I mean that'll come later on and maybe he does
Speaker 1: make it back into that All Pro list, but at
Speaker 1: least this looks like it's going to be a shot
Speaker 1: in the round direction for him. Certainly here in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: It's been a roughier for him. It's been a rough
Speaker 1: yer for a lot of the Cowboys. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk tomorrow about some more things that Jerry said today
Speaker 1: about maybe when the season took a turn and when
Speaker 1: you kind of saw the expectation shift because he had
Speaker 1: topics of conversation about that today and we'll hit it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll also preview the Cowboys and the Eagles. It'll be
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense versus his Eagles defense. Can the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have more success this time than they did back in
Speaker 1: Week eight against Philadelphia? I certainly think so. I think
Speaker 1: all four of us would agree that they will have
Speaker 1: more success because there wasn't. It was kind of a
Speaker 1: low bar set in Week eight against Philadelphia. But that'll
Speaker 1: be our preview tomorrow. But that's gonna do it for
Speaker 1: us here on I'm Talking Cowboys on this Tuesday. I
Speaker 1: want to thank you for joining us here over the
Speaker 1: last forty five minutes for Chris Beam back in the back,
Speaker 1: for isaiahs Dan Back, Rob Phillips, and heck My Harrison.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll see you tomorrow
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