1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: J B. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Shadwick, John Oser from the Honday Studios at the Miller 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks joining us as always 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. It's the final week of OTA's Bucky, 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: and we are that close, that close, about a week 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: away from the end of the offseason program. 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: Oh. 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: I thought you were saying with that Thoes, we're almost 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: time for mandatory minicamp. 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: I thought that's what you're doing. 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: I thought you were ratcheting up the energy and excitement 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: because I see, John, you don't need to ratch it 14 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: on the prospect of doing it. 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 4: If you ratchet it up anymore, it would be chaos 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 4: around here for the energy and excitement. That's that's how 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: exciting these practices are. 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: I mean, they are very exciting. I mean, what are 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: we learning? What are we learning? What do we learn? 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 5: John? God, Please, we'll start with you with John. 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 4: Look, I get and hammering it. And I know I 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 4: was gonna say even JP's tired of hearing it, but 23 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 4: he's always tired of hearing me talk about stuff. I 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 4: don't know what we're learning. I mean, it's uh, you 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: get a good vibe from the quarterback. You get a 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 4: good vibe from what they're saying about the quarterback. He 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 4: looks in control, he looks confident. He also looks like 28 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 4: you still with a baseball cap on. So I can't 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 4: sit here and tell a fan who asks me at 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 4: the dry cleaners this morning, how are they looking? You know, 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: I'm disingenuous if I say they're looking great. I don't 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 4: know either doing the right things to prepare. I don't 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 4: know how I to tell you how they're looking. I 34 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: think Brenton Strange and Tank Bigsby look like guys who 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: have been through a second year workout program. They look good, 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 4: they look in shape, they look ready. I've been watching 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: them a little bit because I think they're good players 38 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 4: that could be completely soaking wet if they don't look 39 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: good in pats. 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 5: Come on, yeah, and what are we learning? 41 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the more important thing is what 42 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: are they learn, especially on the defensive side of the ball. 43 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: New scheme and new coordinator and some new pieces on defense, 44 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: and like they've talked about putting different players in different positions. 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: This is the time of year to try that kind 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: of thing, to see what they might. 47 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 5: Have to offer. 48 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: Come training camp. So for me, it's about what they're learning, 49 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: not what we're learning. 50 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's a little bit of all of 51 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: that in play. 52 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: I think it's just important just to get them around 53 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: to see him, to give them kind of the introduction 54 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: to orientation. So that training camp you can hit the 55 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: ground running and you can kind of wrap it up 56 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: a little bit to see who can handle all the information, 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: who can take that and play fast, who can add 58 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: the physicality that you want. But you're right, you want 59 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: to keep it in perspective, no doubt what they do 60 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: for OTAs. 61 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 4: All that's important and jps are every win on the air. 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: If you are new to this, if you are uncertain 63 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 4: about anything, this is this is a terrific time. You 64 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 4: know what this is? In college when teachers had review 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: right before exams, you'd to either just to make sure 66 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 4: you know what's going on. But if you're but if 67 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: you're an a student and you've been studying all semester, you're. 68 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 5: Good to that good point. Let's hear from the head coach. 69 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: He would be the teacher, I guess in this instance 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: on the development of the team. 71 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 6: This time of year, this is the time of the 72 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 6: year where it's about development, it's about teaching, and it's 73 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 6: about the fundamentals. And I don't think so much that 74 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 6: we're tinkering with a lot of things, but at the 75 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 6: same time developing our young players, seeing what you have 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 6: and can they handle, you know, playing getting snaps with 77 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 6: Let's say it's a young offensive lineman, can he get 78 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 6: the reps with the starters or a d lineman can 79 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 6: he get the reps with you know, your starters the 80 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 6: secondary guy. So if there's any tinkering that goes on, 81 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 6: that's probably where it's at right now with the personnel 82 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 6: and the growth and developing those young players. 83 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 5: So there you go. That's the head coaches perspective on 84 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 5: what this is. 85 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, you know, get off the line 86 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: on time and run the right way for an offensive lineman, right, 87 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: that's probably what you're looking at right now. 88 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, I mean it's good if you can see. 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 5: It because you're not going to be blocking anybody. 90 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 4: Right, I'd be blocking aybody. You don't want to be 91 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 4: blocking anybody. There's no one on one pass rush. So yeah, 92 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: you want to make sure that these guys know what 93 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: they're doing and they're sure when things get going, uh 94 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: in August, I have a question for the Scout. 95 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 5: All right, I can't wait. 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: All right, I love it. I love questions. 97 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 4: How and I mentioned bigs being strange and there's good 98 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: people to talk about this week as anybody. What can 99 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 4: they be bucky and how important I think Britain Strains 100 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 4: has a real chance to be complimentary to Evan Ingram 101 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 4: next year and I Tank has a real chance to 102 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 4: be complimentary. How important is it that they are complimentary 103 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: guys at those spots and can they be that? Am 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 4: I just none? 105 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 5: No? 106 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: No, I mean it's really important. 107 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: So the biggest jump that most NFL players make in 108 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: terms of their improvement is from their first to their 109 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: second year. It's an opportunity that they're able to take 110 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 3: what they experience as rookies spend the off season working 111 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 3: on some of the things that they need to work 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: on obviously, like their body strength, power, explosiveness, and enhance 113 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: and upgrade their I would say expertise in terms of 114 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: what they're doing that should result in better production, better 115 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: performance in an elevated role. It's very important for both 116 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: guys that they are able to handle a more prominent 117 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: role on offense. Tank needs to be able to compliment 118 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: and basically replace Travis at the end at times as 119 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: the lead horse in the backfield seventeen game season. You 120 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: don't want Travis to heavy workload where he's worn down 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: by the end of the year. That second running back 122 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: needs to be a big part of the offense. He 123 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: needs to be able to log six to eight carries 124 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: a game. 125 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: He needs to have maybe. 126 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: Ten to fifteen plays a game to keep Travis fresh 127 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: for Strange. 128 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: Strange needs to be the second ten. 129 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: He needs to be the guy that jumps onto the 130 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 3: field in twelve personnel and allow the Jaguars to present 131 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: a different look to the defense, while also alleviating some 132 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: of the pressure on Evan Ingram to be the one 133 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: man show at tied end. 134 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: Both of these guys need to play. 135 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: Because they were picked at spots that you expect them 136 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: to be core players. Picking the second third round, you 137 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 3: need to be able to play, You need to play well. Yeah, 138 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: the expectation they need to be key contributors this season 139 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: based on their draft status. 140 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 5: What was it was strange last year? Bucky? 141 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: Was it just the overwhelming physicality of it? I mean 142 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: that was kind of his mL coming in, he was 143 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: going to. 144 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 5: Be a blocking guy. 145 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: You could pull him, you can lead him, you know, 146 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: and he just didn't have a lot of that. 147 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: No, he didn't have a lot of that, But you 148 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 3: also can say he didn't really have a lot of snaps. 149 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: He didn't have enough to kind of do it. 150 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: Some of the conversations that the Jaguars had in the offseason, 151 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: it was about the alignment, the alignment between the coaching 152 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: staff and the front office in terms of, hey, we 153 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: bring the players, but we got to play the players. 154 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: We can talk about the team not being developed, not 155 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: developing the young guys, but the only way they get 156 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: developed they got to play, and you got to play them. 157 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: You got to live through some of the groin pains 158 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: to allow them to get to the other side, because 159 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: you want those guys to be ready, and you need 160 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: those young guys to be ready, not just as backups, 161 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: but eventually they have to play more prominent roles as 162 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: you're building the team, particularly with Trevor Lawrence on the 163 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: verge of getting paid. These young players have to play 164 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: because you need young, cheap labor with great production to 165 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: be able to sustain a team that wants to compete 166 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: at a. 167 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: Playoff level each and every season. 168 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: Another big topic this weekend for this time of year, 169 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: we talked about instruction and you know, the classroom being 170 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: very important, but certainly is for the special teams groups. 171 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: This year, Heath Farwell, the special teams coordinator, well and 172 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: every coordinator and special teams in the NFL have new 173 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: rules to contend with on kickoffs, and Heath Farwell visiting 174 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: with the media earlier this week on the changes. 175 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 7: We're still using the same techniques and that's what I'm 176 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 7: telling our players is we're still using the same techniques. However, 177 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 7: you still have a complete different blocking schemes. There's way 178 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 7: different angles and different situations of how do you get 179 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 7: to these blocks when they're only five yards away from 180 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 7: each other? And so I'm learning every day. You know, 181 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 7: we do a kickoff or kickoff return period. The very 182 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 7: next day, I have Okay, guys, here's some new stuff 183 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 7: we gotta do. Here's the coaching point I got for you. 184 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 7: This is what I've learned. And I have players coming. 185 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 7: I have great players that have great information. They say 186 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 7: coach is a little tougher to get to. What do 187 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 7: you think about this great love it but we're exploring everything. 188 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 7: My assistant Luke Thompson and I have really looked into 189 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 7: it a ton and even you know, a couple weeks ago, 190 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 7: we had a former Jaguars spash teams coach, Jody Camilis, 191 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 7: who is a mentor of mine and a brilliant guy. 192 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 7: I had him come down here and vet it and 193 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 7: kind of look at it, and you know, he liked 194 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 7: a lot of it, but also gave us some good ideas, 195 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 7: try this and what do you think about this? And 196 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 7: so while I'm trying eating, I can to give these 197 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 7: guys as much information, learn as much as I can, 198 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 7: so come training camp or ready to go. 199 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: So they've had the scout kickers all off season and 200 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: now some rule changes on kickoffs as well, so the 201 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: full plate for the special teams coaches and the players 202 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: who have to go execute that Bucky. So we're kind 203 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: of on the front end of this. Still, we'll really 204 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: start to figure this out, I think when some live 205 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: football is played and there are some real time reactions 206 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: in game. 207 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: So what's really interesting about the special teams thing, and 208 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: everyone is focused on the kickoff stuff, is just hearing 209 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: a different reaction from special teams coaches around the league, 210 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: So everyone believes it can be a big boom or 211 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: bus play, but no one has ever seen how people 212 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: will operate and do it. So there's a lot of 213 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 3: experimentation that has taking place over the course of OTA's 214 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: in the offseason. To me, it's fascinating because I'm trying 215 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: to figure out what level player. 216 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: Do you put in the back end. 217 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: We have Devin Durviney, but other teams are talking about 218 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: putting their prominence. Our people talking about Tyreek Hill going 219 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: back there, other people going to the back. How do 220 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: you handle the front line because there's a bit of 221 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: a deficiency in terms of the number of guys coming 222 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: down versus the number of blockers. 223 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: Who is going to be the weak link? 224 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 3: How do you double team because double teams have always 225 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: been a big part of the return game, Well, this 226 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: appears to be one that singles up. So can you 227 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 3: fudge it where you can kind of get a double 228 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: team to create a bigger hole. 229 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: It is going to be a huge area. I think 230 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: you can see big returns. 231 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: You can see field position flipped as one that requires 232 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: a little different skill, not in hang time, but in 233 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: ball placement, and you have to have some very athletic 234 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: guys on both sides of the return to either produce 235 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: a big return or to make sure you get these 236 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: skill guys down. 237 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to overplay this because I'm not 238 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: a believer that it's a third of the game. I'm 239 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 4: more along the lines of it's about a fifth of 240 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 4: the game. It's important, but there's not as many special 241 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: teams plays as there are there are other plays, so 242 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 4: beyond that, beyond that debate, I just wanted to tweak 243 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: Buddy Bucky a little bit because he, you know, a 244 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: special teams guy. But it is fascinating. It's fascinating in 245 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 4: this sense. I've been following this game since I was 246 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 4: a kid, which is a long time ago, and there's 247 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: never been a situation where one of the phases where 248 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 4: you line up completely just changes all the rules and 249 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 4: how it does it. There's been tweaks of rules in 250 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 4: the seventies. They tweaked things in seventy eight for more passing, 251 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: but it still looked the same. You know, they change 252 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 4: bump and run, they changed certain penalties to open it up. 253 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: But this is the most dramatic change in scheme that 254 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 4: any group of coaches has ever had to address in 255 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: the NFL going into next season where when they kick 256 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: off the preseason, Bucky, there is zero guys on any 257 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: of these teams except there's any XFL guys. They've sort 258 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: of done it, but there's nobody within the institutional knowledge 259 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 4: of how this is going to look, how it's going 260 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 4: to feel. And as Heath and Douglah talked about it, I'm 261 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: sure every special teams coach in the league is talking 262 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: about it. You're gonna have people maybe tearing up their 263 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: plan week one of how they were going to approach this. Whoa, 264 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 4: look what Denver did, That's what we're doing, guys. So 265 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like this, buckycause nobody has. 266 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: Now nobody has. 267 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 3: And look, there's gonna be a lot of creativity that 268 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: is used. There's going to be a lot of trial 269 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: and era And you're right, John, it may not be 270 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: figured out until week eight or nine of the regular season, 271 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: but imagine how many games can be decided on the 272 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: faux pas and mistakes that take place in the kicking game. 273 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: It is one where you're trying to find that advantage. 274 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, just in looking at it from Afar 275 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: and just trying to figure out. 276 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: How do you get the double team. 277 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: Like every kickoff return that I've ever done has always 278 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: been about trying to set a double team somewhere and 279 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: to give you a lead blocker as you're running through 280 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: the hole. Well, how do you create that. Who's the 281 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: weak link that you identify on the kick coverage unit? 282 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: Does the kick coverage unit change which guy's gonna pop 283 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: out and be the safety? So someone that you have 284 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: earmark to get blocked he drops out. So now you're 285 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: wasting a blocker on someone that's a non cover guy, 286 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: So that frees somebody else up to ear hole the returner. 287 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: All of those things the little game within a game 288 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: will be interesting to look at. 289 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: But I will say this, if you can put the 290 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: ball out to the thirty to thirty five yard line, 291 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: the odds of the offense scoring goes up dramatically. I 292 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: think this puts the special teams coach back into the mix, 293 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: and it puts the returner back into the game. And 294 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: for me, that is good to see because it will 295 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: be a big part on how games are deciding. 296 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: Let's come back in a moment and get into the 297 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence contract discussion. 298 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 5: John, I know you talked to a quarterback this week. 299 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 5: We'll talk to quarter We'll get to that in just 300 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 5: a moment. 301 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: The Jags are celebrating their thirtieth season and the time 302 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: to get your season ticket membership is right now. Be 303 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: at the Bank for every touchdown, secure your seat So 304 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com slash tickets. We're called nine oh four 305 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: six three three, two thousand. This is the Huddle Podcast. 306 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast EP Shadwick with 307 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: John Ozer and Jacksonville Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles. Premier 308 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: League soccer comes to the Bank July twenty seventh, Wolverhampton 309 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: and west Ham United. They'll compete for the State Side Cup. 310 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: Tickets on sale now visit Everbankstadium dot com. Big storyline, 311 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: of course around the Jaguars is the ongoing negotiations between 312 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars for a contract extension. Trevor 313 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: Lawrence speaking with the media this week after the first 314 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: practice of the week and what could be his final 315 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: media appearance of the off season program. 316 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: We'll get to that coming up. 317 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: But Trevor Lawrence asked about the ongoing talks. 318 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 8: I'm aware of what's going on, but I try to 319 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 8: keep my focus on, you know, doing my job out here. 320 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 8: You know, I have full belief that that'll take care 321 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 8: of itself, and that's not something that I need to 322 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 8: worry about, you know. That's why I pay people and 323 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 8: hire people to do that for me. So that's not 324 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 8: my job. But you know, obviously I know what's going on. 325 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 8: I'm aware of the situation. I think that's important too, 326 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 8: But yeah, I try to keep all my focus and 327 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 8: energy on being the best player I can be to 328 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 8: help us win. Is it important for. 329 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 7: You to get done before camp or before the season 330 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 7: or at all? 331 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 4: Do you have any timetable at all? 332 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I think that would be That would 333 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 8: be ideal, you know, just to put it behind us 334 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 8: and keep moving and feel good about that going into 335 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 8: training camp. But either way, like I've said before, I 336 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 8: had the same job, so you know, I can't always 337 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 8: control all those factors, but I have the same job 338 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 8: to do either way. But yeah, I mean I would 339 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 8: of course, that'd be ideal is to get it done, 340 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 8: you know, as soon as you can and kind of 341 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 8: move forward. 342 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Mark Long of the Associated Press with the question in 343 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: between there, John, you sat down with Trevor little. 344 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 5: Uh what yesterday? I guess what was that Tuesday? 345 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: So a day after this conversation with the media, Trevor 346 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: sat down with you. 347 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 5: How long did it go? How to go? What's his mood, 348 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 5: what's the feel? 349 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: And we probably talked about twenty minutes, and we talked 350 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: something about the cond Uh. Maybe a couple of questions 351 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 4: were focused on that. I didn't dwell on it because 352 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 4: there's not much that a player in that situation is 353 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 4: going to say. What I did gather from him is 354 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 4: it's it's uh, if you can put yourself in his shoes. 355 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 4: He expanded a little bit on it, and he said, look, 356 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 4: I don't think about it all the time, but during 357 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 4: this time of year, when you're on the phone with 358 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: your agent talking about it, you do take it very 359 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 4: seriously because it's very important. It's he didn't say quite 360 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: like this, but you know, it's the money that will 361 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 4: define his life in a very real sense. You know, 362 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 4: it's it's it's a huge deal now with him. If 363 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 4: it happens not to get done next season, I don't 364 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: think it's a problem. I'm just sort of thinking more 365 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: if you can sort of close your eyes, and wouldn't 366 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 4: we love this JP to close our eyes and put 367 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: ourselves in that conversation. Hey, hey, JP, you're either going 368 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: to get sixty guaranteed or fifty five. Yeah, you know, 369 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: and then you would be, you know, making plans and 370 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 4: nobody wants to know about by the way, So just 371 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 4: sort of how that at times must consume you a 372 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 4: little bit. That's said. I think it's getting done before 373 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: training camp, so I think it would be a problem 374 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 4: of Overall the conversation, it was good. He was a 375 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 4: little more open than he was the last time we 376 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 4: did this, which was last year. I think the biggest 377 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: takeaway I had was some of the stuff that he 378 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 4: has said on the podium about how focused and how 379 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 4: driven the team is right now. You know, I feel 380 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: about OTAs focused and driven whatever, But there was something 381 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 4: in his voice along the lines of knowing that they 382 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: need to set a tone. He said, Look, we all 383 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 4: know what OTAs are, but the focus, there's limit how 384 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: much it can be seen on the field. But you 385 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: get the idea that there's a core of veterans on 386 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: this team, young guys who are growing up now. Evan Ingram, 387 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: Christian Kirk, Trevor all the guys we've talked about year 388 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 4: three in Doug Peterson's system, they're more professional. They know 389 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 4: what they need to get done this time of year. 390 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: They know what happened last year can't happen again. All 391 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 4: that stuff. He enunciated it better than I did, which 392 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 4: is why I had him on and wasn't just me 393 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 4: talking about it. But I think that's real. I do. 394 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 4: I did sense a real focus and a real maturity 395 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 4: from this core that I think will matter a lot 396 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 4: next year. And Bucky, I guess that's what you would 397 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 4: expect to hear, but I thought it was significant. 398 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is significant. 399 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: I love what Trevor has said about the contract stuff 400 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: or whatever it look it weighs over top of him. 401 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: There's a lot of pressure for him to get the 402 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: thing done so he can just focus on playing the game. 403 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: And look, the money is significant and they'll eventually find 404 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: a way to get to a middle ground because it 405 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: the JAG's best interest to get the done, the deal 406 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: done sooner rather than later, because the cost is only 407 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: going to continue to go up. 408 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: For Trevor. 409 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: Once he has the security knowing that the contract is done, 410 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 3: then he can focus on playing ball, and he's kind 411 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: of been a lightning rod of criticism over the course 412 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: of the offseason because there are people that are outraged 413 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: at what the number is going to be based on 414 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 3: what he's accomplished, what the team is accomplished or not accomplished. 415 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: With him at the helm. 416 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: But I think what you're doing if you're the Jaguars, 417 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: you're betting on the player. You're betting on the guy. 418 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: You're betting on who he is, what he's meant to 419 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 3: the team, how he interacts with his teammates, what he 420 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: does in the locker room, and what he's shown and 421 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: flashes on the field. Once you get that done, it 422 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: allows you then to build the team around around him. 423 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: Knowing what the number is. Love the chemistry and the 424 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 3: continuity that they have in place. But there's be a 425 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: lot of pressure on this Jaguars offense to perform. They 426 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: have to perform at a higher level than they did 427 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: last year. And look whether Press Taylor, Doug Peterson, whoever's 428 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: calling it. They got to find a way to make 429 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: the pieces of the palls of work. 430 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 4: I guess I would ask fans and observers who in 431 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 4: this discussion, I try to avoid the discussion when I'm 432 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: out JP. 433 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 5: It's just, well, you're a people person, John. 434 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 4: I'm a people person. Certain people. Ask yourself this, JP, 435 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 4: and as Bucky as well. If you don't re sign Trevor, 436 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: what's the alternative, you'll blow it up and start over. 437 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 4: I mean, you've got a guy that you know. I 438 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 4: think you know what the floor is. I think the 439 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 4: floor is really good. I don't know what the ceiling 440 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 4: is yet. I don't I don't know if the ceiling 441 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 4: is mahomes, but I know that the worst is not 442 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 4: bad and not bad at all. And so I've used 443 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 4: this analogy probably on this show before. I don't know 444 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 4: what Trevor's going to be, and I know they're law 445 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 4: is that he has to correct. I also don't want 446 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 4: to be standing in the parking lot waving goodbye when 447 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 4: he drives away for the last time. No, because then 448 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I go back inside the building 449 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 4: and I'm trying to find another one. And I assume 450 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 4: you think I'm onto something there. 451 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: Butt, And as much as I would love the team 452 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: to be off, we just go and draft one. We've 453 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: seen the challenges that teams have had and trying to identify. 454 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: A franchise quarterback. 455 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: Trevor Larrence may not have been what we wanted him 456 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 3: to be when we looked at him coming out of Clemson, 457 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 3: but he certainly hasn't been a fly for a bus. 458 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: He certainly has done enough to merit continue to be 459 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: the Jaguars quarterback. And the cost of doing business is 460 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: the cost of doing business. When it comes to marrying 461 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: a quarterback and you pay him, you put it to 462 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: bed come, you become comfortable with the number, and then 463 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: you do everything in your power to put the pieces 464 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: around him that would allow him to play at a 465 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: high level. Because what we have seen, when the quarterback 466 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: plays at a high level, the team plays at a 467 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: high level and get into the tournament and it gives 468 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: you a chance. And I have tried to encourage people 469 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: to think about it this way. 470 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 2: If Trevor Lawrence is on the field with Pat. 471 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: Mahomes or Josh Allen or any of the other notable 472 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 3: quarterbacks that are regarded as elite, do you feel like 473 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: you have a chance at the game turns into a shootout? 474 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: And if you feel like you have a chance, then 475 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 3: you stroke the check. If you don't, then you have 476 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: to try and find somebody else, but they're not many 477 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 3: of those quarterbacks that come along, and you have to 478 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: be comfortable going through an extended drought without a quarterback 479 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: if you move on from to me. That's why it's 480 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: a no brainer to get it done, because. 481 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: It's easier to ask some pieces. 482 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: To elevate him at the level that he is than 483 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: to think about doing it all over again. 484 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 4: JP, you know why it's the huddle up with Bucky 485 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: Brooks and not the huddle up with John Aser because 486 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 4: of that answer right there. 487 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 5: I mean. 488 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: No, I mean, if you think you can stay in 489 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: the game with the best and the end of the field, 490 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 4: then you stroke the check. 491 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: Which they have by the way, he's proved and he's 492 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: beating Josh Allen already and hung in with the Chiefs 493 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: and a tight playoff game. 494 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that's that's surprisingly great answer. 495 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 2: Buck Well, Well, that's good John. I appreciate. I appreciate that. 496 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: Like it's really as simple as can you close your 497 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: as an envision the confetti falling on Trevor Lawrence's shoulders 498 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: because of the way that he played in the Super Bowl. 499 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: If you can do that, then then you do it. 500 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: If you have a tougher time imagining him being a 501 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: guy that can do that, then you can't write that 502 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: I feel really good about this team. 503 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: I believe things have sun swung so far. 504 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: In the other direction that the Jaguars are underrated and 505 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is undervalued. Uh, this would be a great 506 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: opportunity for him to kind of right those wrongs and 507 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: show the football world that, look, he is much better 508 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: than he's given credit for and this team is much 509 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: better than people are expecting it to be going into 510 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: next season. 511 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: One final thought of this for you go, Jake No. 512 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 4: I never getting ready to wrap up, and I said, 513 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 4: on another show is on today, but I think it's 514 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: it's here. The last three games Trevor was healthy were 515 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 4: Tennessee here, Houston there, and Cincinnati before he got hurt. Right, 516 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 4: did you feel like they were gonna beat Cincinnati before 517 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 4: he got hurt that night? I thought, I mean yeah, 518 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: and that he was a huge reason they were going 519 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 4: to do it. 520 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 5: Sure, I. 521 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 4: As much as c J. Stroud as the flavor of 522 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 4: the month, and deservedly so, was c J. Stroud absolutely 523 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 4: the best quarterback on the field that day in Houston? 524 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 4: I'm not sure he was. I mean, you know, Trevor 525 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 4: Lawrence played really well that day. He had one of 526 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 4: his best games against Tennessee out here too. Point being, 527 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: I get you gotta play hurt, you gotta play through 528 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 4: injuries whatever. Before you bury the kid. Remember what he 529 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: was last year before he got hurt. Remember they were 530 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 4: thirteen and three going into that Cincinnati game in the 531 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 4: last sixteen games. When they give him this contract, it's 532 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 4: not because there's not reason to do so. 533 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: Traditionally, the final OTA, the tenth out of ten, is 534 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: usually canceled for some kind of team bonding. We'll see 535 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: if they do that again this time. It has been 536 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: paintball in the past, it's been bowling in the past, 537 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: and I think in one instance one former Jags coach 538 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: actually did all ten OTAs no big deal, let's just 539 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: practice and be done with it. 540 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 5: It's a long time ago. 541 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: Next week mandatory mini camp. But you know what, a 542 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: lot of the veterans might not be around John. So 543 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: that's been Doug Peterson's MO the last year or so. 544 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: If there's good attendance in the offseason program up to 545 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: that point, a lot of those guys will not be 546 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: made to come, most likely for the mandatory mini camp. 547 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: You'll see a lot of rookies here. You'll see a 548 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: lot of younger players, maybe guys who haven't been around 549 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: as much in the offseason program. 550 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 4: I think Doug will get I'm not breaking me newsy. 551 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 4: I think Doug will get through the end of OTA nine. 552 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 4: Whenever that is breathe a sign of relief that the 553 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 4: veteran cores knock on wood is healthy and say I 554 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: don't want to see you guys the end a training 555 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 4: camp and be ecstatic if they're healthy, ready, whatever. He 556 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: won't bring back anybody for the mandatory mini camp. On 557 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 4: that front, it would be rookies. But the things approach 558 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: makes sense. These rookies have such a tough time anyway 559 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 4: getting acclimated, get the veterans out of there, have three 560 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 4: more days of guys who need it, and then get 561 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 4: out of here for the summer. 562 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 5: Sounds like a plan to me, Bucky. 563 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 3: It sounds like Doug is on the John knows you're playing. 564 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: In terms of getting the team ready to play. This 565 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: kind of cut a short. Sweet you guys go and 566 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 3: start vacation. We'll get to it when we need to 567 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: get to it in training. 568 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: Camp and so that's fine. 569 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: Look, but at the end of the day, the number 570 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: one thing that you wanted to have come out of, 571 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 3: like what his off season program or training camp. You 572 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 3: want everyone that's your earmarked to have a prominent role 573 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: to be healthy and if you get through that knock 574 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: on wood, it gives you a chance to get the 575 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: season off to a good start. 576 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: So you're right, even though I love Ots. 577 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: There's Bucky Brooks, the ot A lover in Los Angeles, 578 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again next week. It's our 579 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: last show of the of the off season program until 580 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: training camp. 581 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 5: Bucky next week. 582 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: Oh okay, So i'ma be just like the best. 583 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 3: Look, I'm kicking up dust and trying to knock off 584 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 3: the rust when I get back to training camp. 585 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 5: But we got one more and then what But. 586 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 4: It's mandatory next week. 587 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 5: But yeah, that's Bucky Brooks. John Ozier, I'm JP Shaddick. 588 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Thanks to Brent Reaver and Joe Fortunado, and thanks to 589 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.