WEBVTT - Naked and Unafraid (S1 E3 "Pretty Little Picture") 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:06.080 Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.160 hosted by Meat Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Boone, 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.760 and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:18.720 So this is episode three, Pretty Little Picture, aired October seventeenth, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:19.880 two thousand and. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:25.080 Four, another Sondhime lyric. Yes, pretty Little Picture comes from 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.960 a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.280 Did you see that? Were you in it? 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:30.040 I did see it. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.480 I grew up listening to the album and it's great. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.040 And you know, I've been trying to unpack what I 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.400 think the reference. I was going to say, Yeah, okay, 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.040 you stumped me a little bit. I mean yeah, it 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:43.040 stumped me a little. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.040 Bit with the reference in terms of the reference to 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:51.240 Sonhime or what. I totally figured this give it to Well, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.920 it's all about appearances, this idea of what are the 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:55.440 appearances we keep up? 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:01.200 And Pretty Little Picture, you know, wants this writer. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.520 She was able to unpack that with probably zero. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:09.240 The rest of the episodes. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:14.760 Yeah, what struck me, and my takeaway about a different 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.840 version of keeping up with the appearances is like something 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.680 that Mary Alice says, which is to live in fear 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.440 is to not live at all. And I think of 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.400 myself as a person who has always faces their fears, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.440 like I'm not a runner from my fears, and I 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.240 also don't try to pretend like they don't exist. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.480 You're definitely not an avoidant personality. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.360 I'm not so I mean, I mean you obviously you 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.119 you know me so well because I burst you out. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.880 Of my body. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.720 What can you think of an example of me, not 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:51.160 of me facing my fears. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.800 Oh well, okay, this is something I don't know why. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:55.280 This is the first thing that's coming to my head. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.760 But this woman, my wonderful mother, loves to throw herself 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:03.000 into any body of water. And oftentimes it's not just like, oh, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.520 we're in the tropical location, this is like a relaxing 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.400 body of water. It's like we're in the middle of 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.520 Africa and it's night and there's this crazy lake and 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.880 she's afraid there might be snakes in it, and she 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.360 she goes. It's it's kind of like a manufactured facing 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.079 of fear, not manufactured, but. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:20.800 It's not like she's prepared. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.800 She's not in a bathing Then she likes to she 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.320 likes to seek out scary bodies of water and then 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:28.880 face her fear and go into them. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.720 Jumping off high things. But this was you remember, this 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.280 was when we've been to Africa twice and we took 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.120 my her grandparents on this one trip and my dad 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.480 literally said, I will pay you money to not get 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:47.200 in that body of like I'm on this ship. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:48.680 Little show called Desperate. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.040 That counted, But you didn't stop you. You went in 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.720 and she kept her socks on. She said she was 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.120 that was the kind of barrier. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.600 Cart was, Yeah, it was. But I also, you know, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.880 I once went to like a survival camp sort of 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.160 situation where you know, you have to build shelters and 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.120 learn navigation and kayak for miles and eat crickets and 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.760 squirrels and whatever again crazy and people said like, why 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:21.800 why are you doing that? 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:22.480 Is it for TV? 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.799 And I say, no, it's because I like to put 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.679 myself in these uncomfortable position positions and see if I 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:29.200 can survive. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.280 What do you feel like you learn on the other 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.240 side of that. I'm curious. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.240 That's interesting, and I'm sure it is going to lead 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.000 us back to the characters and Desperate Housewives. You know, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:45.760 what are they learning? I feel like maybe I'm learning 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:52.280 that I can do hard things. Maybe I'm checking off 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.400 bucket list things. I do think that I am a 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.040 like life. Like right now, you can't see me, but 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.120 I'm taking my hands. I'm like, you know, grabbing like 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.640 the air, like I just I want to just get 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.400 a hold of it and like try to experience it all. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:13.040 And and so maybe that's why, Yeah, maybe that's why. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:13.560 I think. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:18.600 My understanding of fearlessness in general has shifted over the 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.600 past few years. And I used to interpret it as 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.960 being someone who's not afraid versus someone like you who 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.080 recognizes the fear but doesn't let it stop them from 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.919 doing the thing. And since I retrained my brain to 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.159 understand what I think fearlessness is, I have become a 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.279 lot more fearless. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.720 I love them, and that feels good. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:40.559 I love that so much. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.760 But so I love this episode. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:44.880 I love this episode. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.080 Oh, I love this episode so much. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:48.920 I cannot wait to talk about it. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.880 There were so many iconic moments. I mean, potentially one 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.880 of your most iconic moments, one. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.160 Of the serious most I would say iconic moments. I 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.120 didn't realize it happened so early on, I. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.839 Know remembered that it had. Well, Okay, we'll get to 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.720 that later in the store. Okay, we'll get to that. Well. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.119 We start off with Mary Alice obviously narrating again from 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.719 the other side or beyond the grave, and I love 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.360 that she says she talks about in the eternity it's 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.640 best to travel light. Me too, and actually thinking about 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.440 our travels, I immediately thought of you, mom, and. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:28.400 Now you're yeah. And she literally can shove two weeks 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.560 of going to Paris in a tiny. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:31.880 I'm a carry on. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.960 Persons insane and it's almost like a clown car. Like 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.479 you get somewhere with her and she opens it and 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:42.000 she just has like fabulously like whatever whatever outfit that's 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:46.040 where we probably come out of. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.120 The suitcase's like where is it all covered? 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.760 It's such a skill, though, and once you get once 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.400 you're like, I'm a carry on person lifestyle, it's very hard. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:54.839 To check a bag. 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.360 Ever again, I'm I'm getting better. The last two you 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.240 are actually are gone on. I haven't packed, like and 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.120 it's because I went to went through one too many 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.039 experiences of losing my luggage. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.720 Like having it And I have to say, I do 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.800 get that panic when I check something and then I'm 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.279 waiting for it to even if I don't even care 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:12.840 about what's in there, even if I've been like hiking 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.440 for two weeks. Yeah, I go, oh my god, it 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:15.760 is a bag gone. Am I not going to find 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:16.240 what's in the back? 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.159 You know? Do you have one trick of how to 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:20.839 not be a chronic overpacker? 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:21.320 Yes? 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:22.159 Actually I do. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.480 The one trick is if you can just bring one 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.799 pair of shoes that go with all of your outfits 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.400 and you wear them on the plane, then you can 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:32.240 fit everything else. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.360 But that's the rule for me, is that like you 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.720 have to have at least too so that you can 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.320 rotate them so your feet don't get sore if you're walking, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:41.200 if you're in a really. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:42.960 Wear plane and bring one. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.920 Yeah, sometimes you could wear you know, you could wear 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.919 sneaker or boot on the plane and then you could 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.760 fit like a little sandal or a little ballet hat 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.320 in the bag. But sometimes if I travel somewhere in 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.479 the winter, I'll just wear a great pair of boots 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.640 that I love, and that's with everything. Yeah, well you 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.800 always look chic and put together flattered. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:05.799 Well, I am going back to uh Mary Alice and 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.760 being incinerated, and how great was the shot and the 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.360 edit of going from that to the smoke coming out 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.480 of the chimney. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's just again 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.400 I want to back up and and and applaud the 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.360 neighborhood as a character. I cannot believe how this show 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.840 is shot. It is just so gorgeous and it is 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.200 the editing is so amazing. I just I sort of 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.320 sit there in awe when I'm watching it. I mean, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.800 it really is. I totally am fun and it's and 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.320 it's totally holding up for. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:41.000 Oh my god. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.000 Yeah, I'm the use of color when you come into 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.080 the neighborhood. And then again in the flashbacks. I actually 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.320 noted that downhill everything becomes more muted in hindsight, and 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.040 then we're back into the present day. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.400 And asked in that early flashback where you, you know, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.280 Mary Alice opens the door and we're on you in 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.360 present time, and then she opens the door, the camera turned, 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.160 you know, reverses and you see it's Mary Alice, and 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.680 we realize we're in a flashback, and then. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.640 You guys are all at the table together. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.559 I was so struck by the presence of Mary Alice 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.800 in that scene as one of the women, like what 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.760 dynamic isn't there amongst the rest of you that she 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.440 provided And I was just I really thought it was 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.960 nice seeing her with all of you in that way 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.880 and seeing that she sort of filled this space of 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.920 being steadfast and confident, and it definitely did not feel 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.400 like she was hiding anything, Like I can understand why 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.040 you guys, as her friends, were like, why the hell 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:34.640 did you know? 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.559 Did this happen? And why did she do that? It 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.080 is such a mess, just seems so steady. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.760 And also the idea that you would plan a dinner, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.280 you know, they find that this dinner in their calendar. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:46.840 I caught that mistake, did you? 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:47.000 Guys? 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.000 Can tell me? 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.280 So? On the newspaper that Susan is reading, yes, it 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.400 says it's the fifteenth and that and and the line 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.360 that is that that that reminded her, And so she 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:05.720 goes to the calendar and then they go to the 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.599 table where you're talking about, Yeah, and she says that 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.640 dinner is going to be on the sixteenth. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.480 But do you think it reminds her that dinner's the 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:14.280 fat Well, I guess you're right. 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:15.800 It doesn't make no I think it all takes place 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.520 on the same day. But maybe it doesn't. Maybe you're right, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:19.400 maybe I got it wrong. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.440 But I also like maybe a good detective Terry. But 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.040 I also like that we're clearly in real time, like 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.920 the newspaper says October fifteenth, two thousand and four, and 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.760 this episode aired October seventeenth, two thousand and four. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.200 Oh my gosh, whoa. I love that I did not 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.280 pick that up at Allah. In terms of. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:41.000 Things that were missing, Yes, which I noticed after this flashback, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.480 after we realized that she set the state for dinner 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.240 and then died. And it's you know, who would think 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.560 to set a dinner if you had plans to die? 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.600 Yeah? Where did Lynette's baby go? 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.800 I know, where is the baby? 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.439 Where is does the baby? I haven't watched the show. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:57.400 Does the baby come back? 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.760 Well, I guess we're not that. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.280 I'm I'm worried about where is this baby? 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.400 The baby takes a lot of now, baby. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.080 Takes the back. Someone did put baby in a corner. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:16.720 We sort of skipped over the iconic Brie ruining the 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.679 couch to make it less and less comfortable. Manipulate her words. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:28.360 I really am. I'm empathizing, and I'm loving the dynamic 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:33.480 of this marriage. That's falling apart, and the therapy scenes, 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.400 and uh, the way both of these actors are are 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.079 performing this, I just I'm I just love it. I couldn't. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.920 I couldn't. I also felt, did you guys feel this 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.040 was the first episode that the men the husband's really 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.040 popped out for me? 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.080 Later in the episode, yeah. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.120 And all of them, and I want to I'm so curious. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.679 It made me. I felt for the actors. I mean, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.920 for Ricardo to have to play a character that is 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:10.520 so abusive, you know, and threatening. What did that feel 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.000 like for Doug, who I am. I am sure in 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:20.840 his real life is not so flippantly completely clueless as 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.600 to what his wife might be going through. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:28.040 But you know, there was just I just really felt 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:28.560 like I. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:35.000 Saw them stand out in their specific personality and character development. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.800 And I got very excited about the men. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.000 I was really interesting. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:38.480 I agree. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:40.880 I was really interested in what you were saying about 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.520 Breede when she comes downstairs early and she wakes Rex up, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.640 and she says, you know, get up. I don't want 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.760 to see how the kids see you sleeping on the couch. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.599 And for me, that's where I kind of felt like 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.640 the Pretty Little Picture title came in this idea of 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.240 the lengths we go to to keep up appearances, and 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.280 what is the importance of keeping up appearances? You know, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.880 do you side Rex that kind of feels like, you 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.720 know what, we're having meritable problems. Let the kids know 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:06.240 they're old enough tell them. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.359 Or Bree, who. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.920 Maybe goes to the opposite end of the extreme of saying, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.840 I don't want anyone to even have the slightest whiff 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.240 that anything is going on between us, which of course 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:19.239 then becomes suspicious. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.520 Yeah, this jumps off into I think a pretty significant 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.480 problem we're still having in society with with you know, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.120 social media as an example right now, that everyone is 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:37.000 portraying these fake, perfect lives and it is really hurting people. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.720 It's hurting young people because they don't have the experience 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.040 to be able to differentiate, to be able to say 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:49.000 that's probably not real, or you know, they just intellectualize that, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:50.880 you know, oh, there's probably another side of this. Corn 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:52.760 You get as old as me and you go like, yeah, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.160 they're telling me this is the way it is, but 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.800 you know, I know, probably something else going on. But 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:03.560 even to me, you know, I I I feel that comparison. 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.520 I feel that it's shame, really, isn't it. It's it's 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.320 it's that it's it's the balance of where shame meets 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.800 expectation that we we expect this certain thing of ourselves 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.280 or we think the world expects it of us, and 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.520 we're unable to sustain it, and so are we honest 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.760 about that? Mostly no? And do we or Also. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.720 Everything is front facing, like it used to be that 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.680 certain industries were front facing and there and if you 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.200 elected to go into that field, you kind of knew 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:35.600 that that was a part of it, like in our 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.960 you know, and for us, for you and me as performers, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:39.440 we kind of know that that's part of the game. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.640 But now that there's such a presence online for anyone 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.360 and everyone, there is just this this difference in how 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.720 we care about perception and obviously that you know, there's a. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.560 Lot to talk about that, I mean, and it's real. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.320 Look at the Coldplay incident, you know that happened like 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.280 a while ago. I mean, those two people's lives were 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.880 absolutely derailed. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.160 Totally, absolutely, And also in terms of everyone having a phone, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.360 most people having social media, yeah, I mean almost everybody. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:07.720 It's one of the reasons that I mean I have 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.040 an Instagram, but I do not have it on my phone, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.280 and I have recently stopped pretty much for the most part, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.360 posting on there. And I was talking to my friend 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.679 about my decision to delete it off my phone and say, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:23.920 for all you know, what's the expression all intents and purposes? 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:24.240 Yeah? 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:29.280 Wait, intense intense like intention, intense and purpose purposes. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.760 Yeah, for all intents and purposes. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.560 But it does wrong. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:32.840 Yeah. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:34.600 I was like, here, I'm going to go mispronounce this 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.240 right now in the middle of talking on the podcast, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:40.760 but thank you, Andrew. No, for all intents and purposes, 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.800 I feel like I don't have an Instagram right now. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.920 And I was talking to my friend about why I 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:46.760 got rid of it, and I said, you know, honestly, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.640 I am and I don't even post that much comparative 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.520 to a lot of people who do. But I was like, 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.600 I'm really tired of this idea of an alternate version 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.880 of my life and image of myself that I am 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.800 maintaining and have this expectation to maintain. You know, I'll 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.520 be out doing something in the world and I'll think, oh, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:06.760 I should take a picture of this, because then I 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.360 might want to post it and it's almost like having 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.120 this pet. All of the thought that goes into maintaining 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.560 this alternate version of yourself as opposed to just being 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.280 present in your life. It makes me think about Brie 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.680 all the time of her day that's going into protecting 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.440 the appearance of what her day is, even from from her. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.680 Children, yeah, as opposed to just being in her day. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.720 And I think the the crux of it for her 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.080 is that of course she can't hide it from her children, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.280 right and we know that Andrew clearly always know everything 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.120 right away, Yeah, they have children, and yeah, yeah, And 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.040 I think that even though she's trying so hard to 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:45.000 control the situation and to protect her kids and protect 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:49.160 the image that she so you know, curates, it's it's 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.000 not gonna work out. I think this is a perfect 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.200 example of why I do think Desperate Housewives continues to 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.280 resonate and is reaching out to you know, new generations 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.520 and new fans, people virginized like yours. 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:06.280 But because you know, at its time, you know, first 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.160 of all, there was a lot of it was reality 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:14.040 shows was what was really dominating television, and and but 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:19.360 this kind of like campy satire and almost like that 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.600 the way Mark used the expression of housewives to sort 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:27.800 of crack open that there's like this dark place underneath 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:32.240 where all isn't exactly as it appears. And I do 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:36.040 think that that shame is still real. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.320 It's the idea of what is behind the veneer. Even 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.680 more so maybe now today was at the time, and 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:42.560 so you. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.840 Can come watch this show now. And even though it 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.800 is it's in this tone of a little bit over 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:53.280 the top, it's still it still reaches you, it still touches. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:17:04.720 You on a much more superficial note. I also will 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.439 say that I've been noticing that a lot of the 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.359 fashion is not entirely like it's aged. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.040 Well y TWK is coming back. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.000 I A lot of outfits are pretty cute. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.920 I like them, Oh my god, and the hair sweaters. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.040 There's a scene with you anyway, Yeah, I agree, And 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.160 I was wondering if you felt like red jeans. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.639 I mean, come on, I don't know. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:36.879 I think it works to come too feels or yeah 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.120 wear wearing Oh, I mean, it's what they're looking for 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.200 in Crossroads and like going through the thrift start. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.200 Another thing that happened in this episode is we meet Carl. 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.440 Oh my god, Richard. It was so great. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.199 Okay, so when we get to that scene more, but 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.840 I do I I had a question for you. There 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.600 was it back just in the in the and these 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.000 are little moments, but because we're here in that newspaper 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.360 scene where they were I first have a noteb thing 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.920 and you reach over and you wipe the food from 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.720 my cheek, I was, do you remember did you come 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:14.520 up with that idea? 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.280 Did I come up with that idea? Was that in 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:16.840 the script? 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.679 Like so I wrote just because I was also so 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.960 curious about this moment. I wrote, Julie wiping Susan's face 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.520 while eating breakfast. I don't remember if that was scripted 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.400 or behavior that Terry and I came up with. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.520 Because we were proud of this moment. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.960 This was such great physical behavior. It's such a small, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.960 little moment, but again, it really established the dynamic between 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.399 the two of us. And it's not all it's not verbal, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:41.560 it's just a little. 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.359 I feel like it might have been me. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:44.080 Yeah, and the. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.760 Confident it wasn't in the script. I mean, we try 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.360 to go back and look, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.040 But I feel like I was always trying to find 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.120 nonscripted like like I was mentioning in the other episode, 0:18:58.200 --> 0:18:59.840 the thing of where I pulled the sweater over my 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.720 for us because I'm embarrassed in comparison that my boobs 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.040 aren't as good as Eadie's booths. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:06.120 Uh. 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.600 I feel like I was always trying to find things, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:10.600 So maybe that was me. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:11.080 I think it. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:11.679 Probably was it. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.800 But I love that. I just love her. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.240 I know you. But but here's the thing. I was 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.360 like an old actress, like I should have been. I mean, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.439 if I was good, I should have been good. So 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.080 there's just I don't get any extra credit, but you 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:27.640 I don't. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.200 We're a kid, and you were just she's amazing you are. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.080 And obviously we're only three episodes. 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:34.720 I have notes. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:35.960 I have notes for myself. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:37.120 You know. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.159