Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch,
Speaker 1: hosted by Meat Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Boone,
Speaker 1: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny.
Speaker 2: So this is episode three, Pretty Little Picture, aired October seventeenth,
Speaker 2: two thousand and.
Speaker 3: Four, another Sondhime lyric. Yes, pretty Little Picture comes from
Speaker 3: a funny thing happened on the way to the forum.
Speaker 2: Did you see that? Were you in it?
Speaker 4: I did see it.
Speaker 5: I grew up listening to the album and it's great.
Speaker 5: And you know, I've been trying to unpack what I
Speaker 5: think the reference. I was going to say, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: you stumped me a little bit. I mean yeah, it
Speaker 5: stumped me a little.
Speaker 3: Bit with the reference in terms of the reference to
Speaker 3: Sonhime or what. I totally figured this give it to Well,
Speaker 3: it's all about appearances, this idea of what are the
Speaker 3: appearances we keep up?
Speaker 6: And Pretty Little Picture, you know, wants this writer.
Speaker 2: She was able to unpack that with probably zero.
Speaker 6: The rest of the episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what struck me, and my takeaway about a different
Speaker 2: version of keeping up with the appearances is like something
Speaker 2: that Mary Alice says, which is to live in fear
Speaker 2: is to not live at all. And I think of
Speaker 2: myself as a person who has always faces their fears,
Speaker 2: like I'm not a runner from my fears, and I
Speaker 2: also don't try to pretend like they don't exist.
Speaker 6: You're definitely not an avoidant personality.
Speaker 2: I'm not so I mean, I mean you obviously you
Speaker 2: you know me so well because I burst you out.
Speaker 6: Of my body.
Speaker 2: What can you think of an example of me, not
Speaker 2: of me facing my fears.
Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, this is something I don't know why.
Speaker 3: This is the first thing that's coming to my head.
Speaker 3: But this woman, my wonderful mother, loves to throw herself
Speaker 3: into any body of water. And oftentimes it's not just like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're in the tropical location, this is like a relaxing
Speaker 3: body of water. It's like we're in the middle of
Speaker 3: Africa and it's night and there's this crazy lake and
Speaker 3: she's afraid there might be snakes in it, and she
Speaker 3: she goes. It's it's kind of like a manufactured facing
Speaker 3: of fear, not manufactured, but.
Speaker 4: It's not like she's prepared.
Speaker 3: She's not in a bathing Then she likes to she
Speaker 3: likes to seek out scary bodies of water and then
Speaker 3: face her fear and go into them.
Speaker 2: Jumping off high things. But this was you remember, this
Speaker 2: was when we've been to Africa twice and we took
Speaker 2: my her grandparents on this one trip and my dad
Speaker 2: literally said, I will pay you money to not get
Speaker 2: in that body of like I'm on this ship.
Speaker 6: Little show called Desperate.
Speaker 3: That counted, But you didn't stop you. You went in
Speaker 3: and she kept her socks on. She said she was
Speaker 3: that was the kind of barrier.
Speaker 2: Cart was, Yeah, it was. But I also, you know,
Speaker 2: I once went to like a survival camp sort of
Speaker 2: situation where you know, you have to build shelters and
Speaker 2: learn navigation and kayak for miles and eat crickets and
Speaker 2: squirrels and whatever again crazy and people said like, why
Speaker 2: why are you doing that?
Speaker 6: Is it for TV?
Speaker 2: And I say, no, it's because I like to put
Speaker 2: myself in these uncomfortable position positions and see if I
Speaker 2: can survive.
Speaker 3: What do you feel like you learn on the other
Speaker 3: side of that. I'm curious.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, and I'm sure it is going to lead
Speaker 2: us back to the characters and Desperate Housewives. You know,
Speaker 2: what are they learning? I feel like maybe I'm learning
Speaker 2: that I can do hard things. Maybe I'm checking off
Speaker 2: bucket list things. I do think that I am a
Speaker 2: like life. Like right now, you can't see me, but
Speaker 2: I'm taking my hands. I'm like, you know, grabbing like
Speaker 2: the air, like I just I want to just get
Speaker 2: a hold of it and like try to experience it all.
Speaker 2: And and so maybe that's why, Yeah, maybe that's why.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: My understanding of fearlessness in general has shifted over the
Speaker 5: past few years. And I used to interpret it as
Speaker 5: being someone who's not afraid versus someone like you who
Speaker 5: recognizes the fear but doesn't let it stop them from
Speaker 5: doing the thing. And since I retrained my brain to
Speaker 5: understand what I think fearlessness is, I have become a
Speaker 5: lot more fearless.
Speaker 4: I love them, and that feels good.
Speaker 6: I love that so much.
Speaker 2: But so I love this episode.
Speaker 6: I love this episode.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love this episode so much.
Speaker 6: I cannot wait to talk about it.
Speaker 3: There were so many iconic moments. I mean, potentially one
Speaker 3: of your most iconic moments, one.
Speaker 5: Of the serious most I would say iconic moments. I
Speaker 5: didn't realize it happened so early on, I.
Speaker 2: Know remembered that it had. Well, Okay, we'll get to
Speaker 2: that later in the store. Okay, we'll get to that. Well.
Speaker 3: We start off with Mary Alice obviously narrating again from
Speaker 3: the other side or beyond the grave, and I love
Speaker 3: that she says she talks about in the eternity it's
Speaker 3: best to travel light. Me too, and actually thinking about
Speaker 3: our travels, I immediately thought of you, mom, and.
Speaker 2: Now you're yeah. And she literally can shove two weeks
Speaker 2: of going to Paris in a tiny.
Speaker 4: I'm a carry on.
Speaker 2: Persons insane and it's almost like a clown car. Like
Speaker 2: you get somewhere with her and she opens it and
Speaker 2: she just has like fabulously like whatever whatever outfit that's
Speaker 2: where we probably come out of.
Speaker 6: The suitcase's like where is it all covered?
Speaker 5: It's such a skill, though, and once you get once
Speaker 5: you're like, I'm a carry on person lifestyle, it's very hard.
Speaker 4: To check a bag.
Speaker 2: Ever again, I'm I'm getting better. The last two you
Speaker 2: are actually are gone on. I haven't packed, like and
Speaker 2: it's because I went to went through one too many
Speaker 2: experiences of losing my luggage.
Speaker 3: Like having it And I have to say, I do
Speaker 3: get that panic when I check something and then I'm
Speaker 3: waiting for it to even if I don't even care
Speaker 3: about what's in there, even if I've been like hiking
Speaker 3: for two weeks. Yeah, I go, oh my god, it
Speaker 3: is a bag gone. Am I not going to find
Speaker 3: what's in the back?
Speaker 2: You know? Do you have one trick of how to
Speaker 2: not be a chronic overpacker?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Actually I do.
Speaker 3: The one trick is if you can just bring one
Speaker 3: pair of shoes that go with all of your outfits
Speaker 3: and you wear them on the plane, then you can
Speaker 3: fit everything else.
Speaker 5: But that's the rule for me, is that like you
Speaker 5: have to have at least too so that you can
Speaker 5: rotate them so your feet don't get sore if you're walking,
Speaker 5: if you're in a really.
Speaker 2: Wear plane and bring one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you could wear you know, you could wear
Speaker 3: sneaker or boot on the plane and then you could
Speaker 3: fit like a little sandal or a little ballet hat
Speaker 3: in the bag. But sometimes if I travel somewhere in
Speaker 3: the winter, I'll just wear a great pair of boots
Speaker 3: that I love, and that's with everything. Yeah, well you
Speaker 3: always look chic and put together flattered.
Speaker 2: Well, I am going back to uh Mary Alice and
Speaker 2: being incinerated, and how great was the shot and the
Speaker 2: edit of going from that to the smoke coming out
Speaker 2: of the chimney. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's just again
Speaker 2: I want to back up and and and applaud the
Speaker 2: neighborhood as a character. I cannot believe how this show
Speaker 2: is shot. It is just so gorgeous and it is
Speaker 2: the editing is so amazing. I just I sort of
Speaker 2: sit there in awe when I'm watching it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it really is. I totally am fun and it's and
Speaker 2: it's totally holding up for.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the use of color when you come into
Speaker 3: the neighborhood. And then again in the flashbacks. I actually
Speaker 3: noted that downhill everything becomes more muted in hindsight, and
Speaker 3: then we're back into the present day.
Speaker 5: And asked in that early flashback where you, you know,
Speaker 5: Mary Alice opens the door and we're on you in
Speaker 5: present time, and then she opens the door, the camera turned,
Speaker 5: you know, reverses and you see it's Mary Alice, and
Speaker 5: we realize we're in a flashback, and then.
Speaker 4: You guys are all at the table together.
Speaker 5: I was so struck by the presence of Mary Alice
Speaker 5: in that scene as one of the women, like what
Speaker 5: dynamic isn't there amongst the rest of you that she
Speaker 5: provided And I was just I really thought it was
Speaker 5: nice seeing her with all of you in that way
Speaker 5: and seeing that she sort of filled this space of
Speaker 5: being steadfast and confident, and it definitely did not feel
Speaker 5: like she was hiding anything, Like I can understand why
Speaker 5: you guys, as her friends, were like, why the hell
Speaker 5: did you know?
Speaker 4: Did this happen? And why did she do that? It
Speaker 4: is such a mess, just seems so steady.
Speaker 3: And also the idea that you would plan a dinner,
Speaker 3: you know, they find that this dinner in their calendar.
Speaker 2: I caught that mistake, did you?
Speaker 7: Guys?
Speaker 6: Can tell me?
Speaker 2: So? On the newspaper that Susan is reading, yes, it
Speaker 2: says it's the fifteenth and that and and the line
Speaker 2: that is that that that reminded her, And so she
Speaker 2: goes to the calendar and then they go to the
Speaker 2: table where you're talking about, Yeah, and she says that
Speaker 2: dinner is going to be on the sixteenth.
Speaker 3: But do you think it reminds her that dinner's the
Speaker 3: fat Well, I guess you're right.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make no I think it all takes place
Speaker 2: on the same day. But maybe it doesn't. Maybe you're right,
Speaker 2: maybe I got it wrong.
Speaker 5: But I also like maybe a good detective Terry. But
Speaker 5: I also like that we're clearly in real time, like
Speaker 5: the newspaper says October fifteenth, two thousand and four, and
Speaker 5: this episode aired October seventeenth, two thousand and four.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, whoa. I love that I did not
Speaker 6: pick that up at Allah. In terms of.
Speaker 3: Things that were missing, Yes, which I noticed after this flashback,
Speaker 3: after we realized that she set the state for dinner
Speaker 3: and then died. And it's you know, who would think
Speaker 3: to set a dinner if you had plans to die?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Where did Lynette's baby go?
Speaker 4: I know, where is the baby?
Speaker 3: Where is does the baby? I haven't watched the show.
Speaker 3: Does the baby come back?
Speaker 4: Well, I guess we're not that.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm worried about where is this baby?
Speaker 2: The baby takes a lot of now, baby.
Speaker 4: Takes the back. Someone did put baby in a corner.
Speaker 2: We sort of skipped over the iconic Brie ruining the
Speaker 2: couch to make it less and less comfortable. Manipulate her words.
Speaker 2: I really am. I'm empathizing, and I'm loving the dynamic
Speaker 2: of this marriage. That's falling apart, and the therapy scenes,
Speaker 2: and uh, the way both of these actors are are
Speaker 2: performing this, I just I'm I just love it. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I also felt, did you guys feel this
Speaker 2: was the first episode that the men the husband's really
Speaker 2: popped out for me?
Speaker 6: Later in the episode, yeah.
Speaker 2: And all of them, and I want to I'm so curious.
Speaker 2: It made me. I felt for the actors. I mean,
Speaker 2: for Ricardo to have to play a character that is
Speaker 2: so abusive, you know, and threatening. What did that feel
Speaker 2: like for Doug, who I am. I am sure in
Speaker 2: his real life is not so flippantly completely clueless as
Speaker 2: to what his wife might be going through.
Speaker 6: But you know, there was just I just really felt
Speaker 6: like I.
Speaker 2: Saw them stand out in their specific personality and character development.
Speaker 2: And I got very excited about the men.
Speaker 6: I was really interesting.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I was really interested in what you were saying about
Speaker 3: Breede when she comes downstairs early and she wakes Rex up,
Speaker 3: and she says, you know, get up. I don't want
Speaker 3: to see how the kids see you sleeping on the couch.
Speaker 3: And for me, that's where I kind of felt like
Speaker 3: the Pretty Little Picture title came in this idea of
Speaker 3: the lengths we go to to keep up appearances, and
Speaker 3: what is the importance of keeping up appearances? You know,
Speaker 3: do you side Rex that kind of feels like, you
Speaker 3: know what, we're having meritable problems. Let the kids know
Speaker 3: they're old enough tell them.
Speaker 6: Or Bree, who.
Speaker 3: Maybe goes to the opposite end of the extreme of saying,
Speaker 3: I don't want anyone to even have the slightest whiff
Speaker 3: that anything is going on between us, which of course
Speaker 3: then becomes suspicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this jumps off into I think a pretty significant
Speaker 2: problem we're still having in society with with you know,
Speaker 2: social media as an example right now, that everyone is
Speaker 2: portraying these fake, perfect lives and it is really hurting people.
Speaker 2: It's hurting young people because they don't have the experience
Speaker 2: to be able to differentiate, to be able to say
Speaker 2: that's probably not real, or you know, they just intellectualize that,
Speaker 2: you know, oh, there's probably another side of this. Corn
Speaker 2: You get as old as me and you go like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're telling me this is the way it is, but
Speaker 2: you know, I know, probably something else going on. But
Speaker 2: even to me, you know, I I I feel that comparison.
Speaker 2: I feel that it's shame, really, isn't it. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's that it's it's the balance of where shame meets
Speaker 2: expectation that we we expect this certain thing of ourselves
Speaker 2: or we think the world expects it of us, and
Speaker 2: we're unable to sustain it, and so are we honest
Speaker 2: about that? Mostly no? And do we or Also.
Speaker 5: Everything is front facing, like it used to be that
Speaker 5: certain industries were front facing and there and if you
Speaker 5: elected to go into that field, you kind of knew
Speaker 5: that that was a part of it, like in our
Speaker 5: you know, and for us, for you and me as performers,
Speaker 5: we kind of know that that's part of the game.
Speaker 5: But now that there's such a presence online for anyone
Speaker 5: and everyone, there is just this this difference in how
Speaker 5: we care about perception and obviously that you know, there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot to talk about that, I mean, and it's real.
Speaker 2: Look at the Coldplay incident, you know that happened like
Speaker 2: a while ago. I mean, those two people's lives were
Speaker 2: absolutely derailed.
Speaker 3: Totally, absolutely, And also in terms of everyone having a phone,
Speaker 3: most people having social media, yeah, I mean almost everybody.
Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons that I mean I have
Speaker 3: an Instagram, but I do not have it on my phone,
Speaker 3: and I have recently stopped pretty much for the most part,
Speaker 3: posting on there. And I was talking to my friend
Speaker 3: about my decision to delete it off my phone and say,
Speaker 3: for all you know, what's the expression all intents and purposes?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Wait, intense intense like intention, intense and purpose purposes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for all intents and purposes.
Speaker 2: But it does wrong.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, here, I'm going to go mispronounce this
Speaker 3: right now in the middle of talking on the podcast,
Speaker 3: but thank you, Andrew. No, for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 3: I feel like I don't have an Instagram right now.
Speaker 3: And I was talking to my friend about why I
Speaker 3: got rid of it, and I said, you know, honestly,
Speaker 3: I am and I don't even post that much comparative
Speaker 3: to a lot of people who do. But I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm really tired of this idea of an alternate version
Speaker 3: of my life and image of myself that I am
Speaker 3: maintaining and have this expectation to maintain. You know, I'll
Speaker 3: be out doing something in the world and I'll think, oh,
Speaker 3: I should take a picture of this, because then I
Speaker 3: might want to post it and it's almost like having
Speaker 3: this pet. All of the thought that goes into maintaining
Speaker 3: this alternate version of yourself as opposed to just being
Speaker 3: present in your life. It makes me think about Brie
Speaker 3: all the time of her day that's going into protecting
Speaker 3: the appearance of what her day is, even from from her.
Speaker 6: Children, yeah, as opposed to just being in her day.
Speaker 5: And I think the the crux of it for her
Speaker 5: is that of course she can't hide it from her children,
Speaker 5: right and we know that Andrew clearly always know everything
Speaker 5: right away, Yeah, they have children, and yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 5: I think that even though she's trying so hard to
Speaker 5: control the situation and to protect her kids and protect
Speaker 5: the image that she so you know, curates, it's it's
Speaker 5: not gonna work out. I think this is a perfect
Speaker 5: example of why I do think Desperate Housewives continues to
Speaker 5: resonate and is reaching out to you know, new generations
Speaker 5: and new fans, people virginized like yours.
Speaker 2: But because you know, at its time, you know, first
Speaker 2: of all, there was a lot of it was reality
Speaker 2: shows was what was really dominating television, and and but
Speaker 2: this kind of like campy satire and almost like that
Speaker 2: the way Mark used the expression of housewives to sort
Speaker 2: of crack open that there's like this dark place underneath
Speaker 2: where all isn't exactly as it appears. And I do
Speaker 2: think that that shame is still real.
Speaker 3: It's the idea of what is behind the veneer. Even
Speaker 3: more so maybe now today was at the time, and
Speaker 3: so you.
Speaker 2: Can come watch this show now. And even though it
Speaker 2: is it's in this tone of a little bit over
Speaker 2: the top, it's still it still reaches you, it still touches.
Speaker 5: You on a much more superficial note. I also will
Speaker 5: say that I've been noticing that a lot of the
Speaker 5: fashion is not entirely like it's aged.
Speaker 6: Well y TWK is coming back.
Speaker 4: I A lot of outfits are pretty cute.
Speaker 6: I like them, Oh my god, and the hair sweaters.
Speaker 5: There's a scene with you anyway, Yeah, I agree, And
Speaker 5: I was wondering if you felt like red jeans.
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it works to come too feels or yeah
Speaker 3: wear wearing Oh, I mean, it's what they're looking for
Speaker 3: in Crossroads and like going through the thrift start.
Speaker 5: Another thing that happened in this episode is we meet Carl.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Richard. It was so great.
Speaker 2: Okay, so when we get to that scene more, but
Speaker 2: I do I I had a question for you. There
Speaker 2: was it back just in the in the and these
Speaker 2: are little moments, but because we're here in that newspaper
Speaker 2: scene where they were I first have a noteb thing
Speaker 2: and you reach over and you wipe the food from
Speaker 2: my cheek, I was, do you remember did you come
Speaker 2: up with that idea?
Speaker 6: Did I come up with that idea? Was that in
Speaker 6: the script?
Speaker 5: Like so I wrote just because I was also so
Speaker 5: curious about this moment. I wrote, Julie wiping Susan's face
Speaker 5: while eating breakfast. I don't remember if that was scripted
Speaker 5: or behavior that Terry and I came up with.
Speaker 4: Because we were proud of this moment.
Speaker 5: This was such great physical behavior. It's such a small,
Speaker 5: little moment, but again, it really established the dynamic between
Speaker 5: the two of us. And it's not all it's not verbal,
Speaker 5: it's just a little.
Speaker 2: I feel like it might have been me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: Confident it wasn't in the script. I mean, we try
Speaker 2: to go back and look, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I was always trying to find
Speaker 2: nonscripted like like I was mentioning in the other episode,
Speaker 2: the thing of where I pulled the sweater over my
Speaker 2: for us because I'm embarrassed in comparison that my boobs
Speaker 2: aren't as good as Eadie's booths.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was always trying to find things,
Speaker 2: So maybe that was me.
Speaker 6: I think it.
Speaker 2: Probably was it.
Speaker 6: But I love that. I just love her.
Speaker 2: I know you. But but here's the thing. I was
Speaker 2: like an old actress, like I should have been. I mean,
Speaker 2: if I was good, I should have been good. So
Speaker 2: there's just I don't get any extra credit, but you
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: We're a kid, and you were just she's amazing you are.
Speaker 3: And obviously we're only three episodes.
Speaker 6: I have notes.
Speaker 4: I have notes for myself.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It's kind of weird, right, Like getting to do this
Speaker 5: experience with you guys is so fun, and I'm watching
Speaker 5: it so much more as a viewer than I am
Speaker 5: as someone who was a participant of the show. I've
Speaker 5: thought about so much, how and you know, when we
Speaker 5: first sat down to record our first episode, how you
Speaker 5: were talking about like, I can't believe I got to
Speaker 5: be in this. And it's one thing to hear you
Speaker 5: say that because you were just so much a part
Speaker 5: of it, Like the whole thing is established, you know,
Speaker 5: with you was this ginormous part of it.
Speaker 4: But I really feel that way as well. When I
Speaker 4: watch it, I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe
Speaker 4: I was in this.
Speaker 5: But but I definitely watch it as a viewer and
Speaker 5: not as much. But every now and again I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 5: I have an actor note for younger and but it's
Speaker 5: but it's sweet and it's great, and thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So another beautiful shot of Warria Lane was the
Speaker 2: paper route that got the kid running through. I'm just
Speaker 2: not going to get off the newspaper part of this story.
Speaker 2: It's a big part at the beginning. But like, so
Speaker 2: I had a paper route as a kid. Did you
Speaker 2: have a paper route? Right?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 2: And you didn't.
Speaker 6: Certainly not in studio.
Speaker 2: No, I definitely had one where you would get up
Speaker 2: and that was a real thing. You drive your bike
Speaker 2: around at four in the morning and throw.
Speaker 6: You delivered papers. I really did you had a paper route.
Speaker 6: I had a paper route.
Speaker 2: That's how I made money when I was like, for you,
Speaker 2: probably twelve, and I had like a banana seat bicycle
Speaker 2: with the little purple almost like the one that Gabby
Speaker 2: buys for the black failing blackmailer failer.
Speaker 6: I totally should we just talk about it now.
Speaker 2: So you've got Brion Rex in marriage counsel. You've got
Speaker 2: Lynette and Tom. You've got Tom who is is You've
Speaker 2: got Lynette who's pushed to her limits and dealing with
Speaker 2: her crazy kids, and right, so we don't know what,
Speaker 2: but all the sort of shame of that, and also
Speaker 2: Tom really not showing up in any reasonable way.
Speaker 6: And then yeah, you have Susan.
Speaker 2: Well, you have Susan who gets confronted with the girlfriend
Speaker 2: and what did you think of that can kicking moment?
Speaker 6: Well, I what do you also think?
Speaker 2: Because like your mom, yes, okay, when your dad started dating,
Speaker 2: somebody did I I mean, I'm sure I did.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to be the the the ex and
Speaker 2: it was hard for me to watch that. I mean,
Speaker 2: in hindsight, I'm so happy your dad is happy, and
Speaker 2: I'm and they're happy and it's great, but it is
Speaker 2: everybody moves on at different paces. And you know, in
Speaker 2: the story of Desperate Housewives, I think Susan had been divorced.
Speaker 6: A year, which feels like a short amount, which.
Speaker 2: Feels kind of like a short time. But I think
Speaker 2: that first moment when you start getting introduced to the
Speaker 2: new girlfriend or the new wife, you know, people don't
Speaker 2: talk about this enough. And I am willing if our
Speaker 2: viewers are interested in like they want, they want to
Speaker 2: hear more about this. I think it's an incredibly vulnerable
Speaker 2: tightrope balancing act whatever, especially when there's a child involved,
Speaker 2: where you're giving up control that maybe you don't want
Speaker 2: to give up. And also somebody that you have no
Speaker 2: investment in is now introduced in such a large way
Speaker 2: to your life. It is a very tricky thing which
Speaker 2: leads to petulant behavior or can, and that's Susan's case.
Speaker 6: It certainly did. And what was your takeaway? Was she
Speaker 6: an asshole or not?
Speaker 3: I mean, I I feel lucky that you never kicked
Speaker 3: any hands around, that's what you think, at least not directly.
Speaker 3: And also we never did custody day switches in front
Speaker 3: of the house, so maybe the opportunity just didn't really
Speaker 3: present itself. I feel like I was dropped off at
Speaker 3: school and then picked up after school, but with Susan
Speaker 3: and Brandy, and for Brandy when she finally tries to
Speaker 3: talk to Susan, mispronounces her last night to.
Speaker 5: Have a counter like you need to have a Meyer
Speaker 5: being pronounced wrong, I think we're at meer Mayor.
Speaker 2: I think I think Edy pronounced it wrong. Yeah in
Speaker 2: another episode.
Speaker 6: No, I mean, I mean a public opinion might decide
Speaker 6: it's mayor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I about the two people who are in the family.
Speaker 2: I really do think people people I think mayor would
Speaker 2: be the vote.
Speaker 4: So I guess it's okay.
Speaker 3: I'm going to stick to my are just out of respect,
Speaker 3: which is something that feels like Susan is certainly not given.
Speaker 3: In this scene when Brandy throws her soda can.
Speaker 6: And I feel Brandy comes off.
Speaker 3: Which I think is intentional. So much younger, yeah than Susan.
Speaker 3: I mean, she almost feels like a teenager level of behavior.
Speaker 3: And it's so catty because in you know, if you're
Speaker 3: going to think about it in these terms, she's one.
Speaker 3: You know, She's Carl Ray are together. Why are you
Speaker 3: now throwing your trash at the woman that Carl left
Speaker 3: to be with you? So I and it's not just
Speaker 3: because you're my mom. I think I side with Susan
Speaker 3: in this moment when she doesn't, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want her to pick up the can. That feels wrong.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm the kind of person that definitely
Speaker 3: if someone I've seen people on the freeway, you know,
Speaker 3: throw a soda can or something out the window, and
Speaker 3: I think you if you did that, you should, well, one,
Speaker 3: you should get a giant ticket for a little on
Speaker 3: the freeway, but you should. You know, if you're on it,
Speaker 3: you should pull over and you should go and you
Speaker 3: should get it.
Speaker 2: Not on the freeway, but you know that there's only
Speaker 2: two things you could throw out of your without getting arrested.
Speaker 2: Or water.
Speaker 6: Water not ice.
Speaker 2: It's feathers, feathers and water.
Speaker 3: And it's because chicken truck crazy. No chicken trucks that
Speaker 3: transport chickens would have so many feathers flying off.
Speaker 2: Yet, but that it couldn't be That sounds great, but.
Speaker 6: I know I do.
Speaker 3: I love this moment because I feel for Susan. I
Speaker 3: feel like we empathize with her, and then she takes
Speaker 3: it a little too far.
Speaker 5: Maybe they both put the moment where he says the
Speaker 5: checks and the mail and then you're standing by the
Speaker 5: mailbox and you look in the mail and you say.
Speaker 3: No, he's not so good, so good, and then she
Speaker 3: of course, then she gets caught by Mike.
Speaker 6: And I think that is a genious button to that
Speaker 6: scene that we.
Speaker 2: Embarrassment and she says later, you know, I feel so
Speaker 2: stupid that I acted like that, and I don't act
Speaker 2: like that around anybody, but Carl. You know, have you
Speaker 2: guys ever do you have that does that feel familiar
Speaker 2: to you that there's one person that can really push
Speaker 2: your button?
Speaker 5: There are people in my life that push my buttons,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's like they just have the key,
Speaker 5: whatever the key is to that part of me that
Speaker 5: they get sadly or gets you know, gets under my skin.
Speaker 2: I mean, see, I've removed most of those people. That's
Speaker 2: just aging, is that you know that they get they
Speaker 2: go by the wayside sooner.
Speaker 5: Or later or just we're still here.
Speaker 4: We've made the cut.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, thank goodness.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I also just because we're I think right
Speaker 5: after that scene we get a glimpse of I really
Speaker 5: appreciate these little one off moments that we get when
Speaker 5: we see just like a smaller coupling of the of
Speaker 5: the women together, like the scene with Susan and Lynette. Yes,
Speaker 5: And I think that's when you say I hate behaving
Speaker 5: that way. He just he brings it out of me
Speaker 5: and I hate that. And I I loved getting a
Speaker 5: little insight into their individual dynamic and I love it
Speaker 5: so honest and like you really would be friends. It
Speaker 5: was just a brief, little moment, but it was great.
Speaker 3: I love that too, And I actually I really liked
Speaker 3: that idea of what they're connecting over because Lynette is obviously,
Speaker 3: like you know, at her wits end with her husband
Speaker 3: not acknowledging everything that she does, and Susan's just been
Speaker 3: at her wits end with her ex husband and his
Speaker 3: new girlfriend. And they have this connection over living with bitterness,
Speaker 3: you know, like not wanting to be the type of
Speaker 3: people that hang on to bitterness, except they do accept
Speaker 3: it's human nature. It's really hard not to. And I
Speaker 3: was so, I mean, I'm interested for both of you.
Speaker 3: Oh obviously we all struggle with this to some degree.
Speaker 3: But do you feel like, do you hold on to bitterness?
Speaker 3: Is it easier for you to let go of do
Speaker 3: you have certain tools that you turn to when you
Speaker 3: want to let go of it? Because I just found
Speaker 3: this really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I've had some big things in
Speaker 2: my life that have have really amounted to a serious
Speaker 2: amount of hurt feelings, bitter feelings, I guess. And you know,
Speaker 2: this is a funny thing that I that I have
Speaker 2: have taken to doing that. And I have a friend
Speaker 2: who has an issue with her neighbor, So I'll use
Speaker 2: that as an example, like over a fence line, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think this is actually not that uncommon, like
Speaker 2: I think people. I know, we're doing a show, but
Speaker 2: I do really think that that that people sometimes do
Speaker 2: get into issues with their neighbors and you can't quite
Speaker 2: run away from it because you both own your house
Speaker 2: and so you're sort of stuck there. But something I've
Speaker 2: tried to take to doing is if I have an
Speaker 2: issue with somebody and I don't seem to really be
Speaker 2: able to fix it, like for whatever reason, the communication
Speaker 2: or whatever the opportunities are, I can't really change what's happening.
Speaker 2: I try to remember that someone loves them, that not
Speaker 2: just one person, but probably a lot of people love
Speaker 2: that person that you have this bitter feeling with, the
Speaker 2: same way that if they're feeling bitter about me, lots
Speaker 2: of people love me and when you start to understand
Speaker 2: that the person you have an issue with has a
Speaker 2: bunch of people around them that probably think they're like
Speaker 2: the funniest person or like they're so charming when they
Speaker 2: read children's books, or they make the best oatmeal or
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they somebody thinks that about them,
Speaker 2: and it somehow dissipates my ability to be angry, and
Speaker 2: I just end up feeling like maybe a little melancholy,
Speaker 2: like I wish this wasn't the way it is, but
Speaker 2: it lets go of a little bit of my personal
Speaker 2: like internal bitterness, and that's helped me a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it helped me a lot.
Speaker 6: I really love that you can try.
Speaker 4: That's great advice.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Okay, and real daughter, that's great.
Speaker 6: So now let's get to Gabby.
Speaker 3: You're speaking of your neighbor people that you can't get
Speaker 3: rid of.
Speaker 5: That quick pan over to those that little girl's face
Speaker 5: in the window, Oh that girl, she was so perfect.
Speaker 5: And I really truly didn't remember any of this, So
Speaker 5: I actually initially wrote down like who is that child?
Speaker 2: Did you look at it? No?
Speaker 5: But I meant in the context of the show, like
Speaker 5: I was like, who is that I was as jumped
Speaker 5: as Gabby and John as to like, who is this
Speaker 5: person who's spying on them?
Speaker 2: And the fear I have no recollection by the way
Speaker 2: of them being in multiple episodes, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: They yeah, kind of like their new neighbors, and you're
Speaker 2: like where I think they're hanging out with somewhere.
Speaker 3: Like kind of vaguely behind the bushes, to the side
Speaker 3: of Gabby's house. You kind of see them go back there.
Speaker 4: I have a question.
Speaker 5: Okay, so I had a question for both of you
Speaker 5: about this takeaway. I'm I'm sort of grappling with about
Speaker 5: interpreting Gabrielle's character. So you know, there's in this episode
Speaker 5: we're kind of faced again with the fact that she's
Speaker 5: covering up this affair she's having right with.
Speaker 2: A child, by the way, who's in algebra classes. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I again, I'm sorry, I have to again.
Speaker 2: I wrote I wrote down all caps. Oh MFG. Question,
Speaker 2: our question, our exclamation point. The Gabby John relationship is
Speaker 2: just so problematic. I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 5: I know, I know he's in algebra class and on
Speaker 5: the soccer and then he's later yeah, on the track field.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I know it's it's that's he has tube socks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she wants she wants him to leave.
Speaker 6: His gym clothes on, you know, it's all you really.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I'm wondering because we're seeing this side, and I
Speaker 5: know we can talk more about the specifics, about the
Speaker 5: way the husband's characters are more defined this episode, and
Speaker 5: I think that we've shared this. I didn't remember feeling
Speaker 5: like Carlos was as threatening as he is. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: he really is, and he's a very domineering, you know, presence.
Speaker 5: And I'm wondering, as I'm sort of re getting to
Speaker 5: know Gabrielle as a new character, do we think that
Speaker 5: she's going to these extreme lengths to cover up her affair,
Speaker 5: because obviously she doesn't want him to know.
Speaker 4: But do we think that.
Speaker 5: She is afraid of losing her lifestyle more or afraid
Speaker 5: of her husband?
Speaker 6: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 5: Because I've been trying to think about it because I
Speaker 5: don't know that I have an answer yet. I feel
Speaker 5: like she is so strong with him, you know, and
Speaker 5: she pushes back so much to him, she doesn't necessarily
Speaker 5: clue him in that she would be afraid of him.
Speaker 5: So then that makes me think, oh, well, maybe it's
Speaker 5: more that she has set herself up to live this
Speaker 5: life that she thought she wanted and now she's afraid
Speaker 5: of what it looks like if it all goes away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like that has been my
Speaker 3: instinct with her character. Was also that she has this
Speaker 3: amazing lifestyle, she has all this money. They seem to
Speaker 3: throw money, or Carlos throws money at their marriage problems,
Speaker 3: and I'm curious in the same way I'm curious about
Speaker 3: breeze backstory, I'm curious about Gabby's backstory asides from being,
Speaker 3: you know, this model that we hear about, where does
Speaker 3: she come from and what does that life look like
Speaker 3: and did she I get the sense that it feels
Speaker 3: like she did not grow up with the memes that
Speaker 3: she now has with Carlos, and so she's kind of
Speaker 3: afforded a lifestyle that is maybe somewhat new, but maybe
Speaker 3: not because if you're working in high fashion, maybe you
Speaker 3: are getting paid well. Like It's an interesting conundrum that
Speaker 3: I definitely have not fully cracked.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm just like Pollyanna or whatever,
Speaker 2: but I think it was the pilot where there was
Speaker 2: a flashback to when those two characters met and when
Speaker 2: he asked her to marry him, like on the third day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and how giddily excited she was that I I want
Speaker 2: to believe that she really did fall in love with him,
Speaker 2: and and that maybe the stuff was great, but that
Speaker 2: that she really did think that she was in love
Speaker 2: with him, that it wasn't just like a gold digger,
Speaker 2: that she really was in love with optimistic. I know,
Speaker 2: I'm really I'm not sure that they deserve it, but
Speaker 2: I'm sort of trying to hang onto that.
Speaker 5: I'm so excited to see how their relationship evolves, because,
Speaker 5: like I said, I didn't remember this part of him,
Speaker 5: and so I think you might be onto something that
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 2: Really struck by how much the Carlos character, the threateningness
Speaker 2: of him, and how that's adding up right, you know,
Speaker 2: always looking for the little nitpicky stuff, you know. I
Speaker 2: don't really remember that. But then this is part of
Speaker 2: the I think I brought this up before. I'm not
Speaker 2: in it all, and you know, and so this part
Speaker 2: of the story is like watching a show I'm not in.
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't there when they shot that. I don't
Speaker 2: know what they discussed. This is why I'm so interested
Speaker 2: to have Mark on, and I think we're going to
Speaker 2: get to have Ricardo on too, which I'm excited about.
Speaker 2: So exciting because I want to know, like, especially for
Speaker 2: something as big as that, like what did he feel
Speaker 2: like as an actor? Was that uncomfortable? Like where did
Speaker 2: he find the groundingness of like what did he think
Speaker 2: of that? So hopefully we'll get to get some of
Speaker 2: those answers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now I think we have to talk about
Speaker 2: the iconic scene.
Speaker 3: Yes, a little girl, the little Girls bribe, she gets
Speaker 3: her by Yabby runs along, godles her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the most iconic moment. I just have to say
Speaker 6: I have had questions about this.
Speaker 3: I know, I mean I was like, I know this,
Speaker 3: I know what's about to happen. I feel like I
Speaker 3: visited set the day that you filmed something involving duct tape.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I'll talk about that, but it is
Speaker 2: I think in my career the idea of being real
Speaker 2: and spectacular from being Jerry Seinfeld's girlfriend and this moment,
Speaker 2: they really are. Like I think if you're looking at
Speaker 2: spectacular television moments like this has got to be one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 6: I mean the comedic time.
Speaker 3: It's so choreographed, which obviously your background isn't dance. You
Speaker 3: are so good at nailing that timing.
Speaker 5: The side stepping, the little side stepping to the side.
Speaker 4: Had me just dying.
Speaker 5: I mean, I had remembered how great it was, but
Speaker 5: there's no way, you know, to really get it until
Speaker 5: you're watching it again. You are so funny, you are
Speaker 5: so good, and it's so earned because you're just you're
Speaker 5: feeling so high and mighty, you know, like you are
Speaker 5: the moral high ground and you are standing there and
Speaker 5: you you know you've got the power, and then he
Speaker 5: just strips it, literally strips it from you in like
Speaker 5: an instant.
Speaker 2: And it was a great scene. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: why you become an actress, like and this is why
Speaker 2: a nod to the writing, you know, like.
Speaker 6: This, do you remember reading the scene? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thing is when you're thinking about this as
Speaker 2: an actress, you're thinking about this build. This starts at
Speaker 2: the dining table. This scene starts at the dining room table,
Speaker 2: you know, like like where just that that vulnerable thing
Speaker 2: of like I'm gonna try to be a good human being.
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to do the big thing. I'm
Speaker 2: really gonna do it. Oh, this is where I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about Richard Bergery. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: you remember this, this guy, he would have the crew in,
Speaker 2: just the whole crew, the line the heart wants what
Speaker 2: the heart wants. We must have said this line as
Speaker 2: a crew for months, four years, possibly four years. When
Speaker 2: you think about lines that like go on and on
Speaker 2: and nobody ever forgets the heart wants what the heart wants.
Speaker 2: I mean people would go like, you know, what are
Speaker 2: you gonna have for lunch today? I don't know, the heart.
Speaker 6: Wants what the heart wants?
Speaker 2: Like it was just a thing that nobody could go
Speaker 2: and Richard's thing that he would do with his body.
Speaker 2: He was always like he would stick his hand up
Speaker 2: his shirt and he was always like it was just
Speaker 2: he I mean, he just brought it. And so anyways,
Speaker 2: my point is the whole payoff to the outside naked
Speaker 2: stuff is all started at that bat kitchen table. And
Speaker 2: as an actress, you're thinking, if I don't do this right,
Speaker 2: then none of this is going to be funny, like
Speaker 2: like like yeah, and and and it is like, I mean,
Speaker 2: you see how excited I am. I just I hope
Speaker 2: in my lifetime I get a chance to play a
Speaker 2: scene like this again, that kind of comedy that is
Speaker 2: rooted in truth, that even rooted and but the vulnerability
Speaker 2: and whatever, it is so honest. Then you can be
Speaker 2: crazy and fall in a bush and and do a
Speaker 2: little jig across the lawn and it doesn't seem ridiculous
Speaker 2: because it's earned.
Speaker 5: Like you said, you know, and even him showing up
Speaker 5: when you told him, like, hey, when you drop her
Speaker 5: off tomorrow, you know, and he just walks over all
Speaker 5: your boundaries. He just feel like tears into your life
Speaker 5: and then you know, and so yeah, by the time
Speaker 5: you get to that point.
Speaker 4: It's just it's so good. The payoff is so good,
Speaker 4: and you are so so good.
Speaker 2: The physicality of it was what you're remembering about the
Speaker 2: duct tape, so tell us about So. I think that
Speaker 2: they had gotten for some reason, we had gotten a
Speaker 2: new wardrobe person that day. Her name was Susan. She
Speaker 2: was lovely, she was with the show for the whole time.
Speaker 2: I just I love and adore her. She'd been to
Speaker 2: my house many time for parties, and I would give
Speaker 2: anything for the crew. And I think they knew that
Speaker 2: we had that kind of relationship anyways. But I do
Speaker 2: think it was Susan's first day for some reason, because
Speaker 2: she maybe she came on as an extra person, or
Speaker 2: maybe they replaced somebody. I don't really know, but it
Speaker 2: was her first day. And it was basically like, Hi,
Speaker 2: nice to meet you. Can you cover my private parts?
Speaker 2: And because I wanted I always go the extra mile,
Speaker 2: and I wanted the director to have as much freedom
Speaker 2: to shoot me as he could. So I didn't want
Speaker 2: to wear a thong because I wanted him to be
Speaker 2: able to shoot the side of my body.
Speaker 6: But you do see when you're leaning out from that whole.
Speaker 2: But if I had born underwear.
Speaker 4: You you, they would have had to shoot around it, would.
Speaker 2: Have around it. And I just think, so what we
Speaker 2: did is we put kleenex over like the nipples and
Speaker 2: over like the other parts, the other bits, and then
Speaker 2: we put duct tape over the kleenex so that it
Speaker 2: just went basically like a strip, you know, like a
Speaker 2: tiny strip and a tiny other strip. And and I.
Speaker 6: Mean, how was that on there?
Speaker 2: That Cleenextut Country shot that scene for probably at least
Speaker 2: six hours because it's a lot of sides of the house,
Speaker 2: and I mean, it was the whole day, really, and
Speaker 2: I do remember the whole backs of my legs from
Speaker 2: falling in the bushes were like cut up and bruised up.
Speaker 2: But you know, you don't feel any of that when
Speaker 2: you're doing it. You're just so in it. And there
Speaker 2: was a stunt girl who probably did the main fall
Speaker 2: into the bushes, even though I'm sure I did some
Speaker 2: version of it.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you did. You always did. I always did
Speaker 4: your stuff.
Speaker 2: But they definitely had a stunt person and.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, she's also wearing Kleenex and doctor.
Speaker 2: That I don't remember. She just did the falling in
Speaker 2: the bushes, But I kind of have this loose memory.
Speaker 2: This would be a good question for a crew member
Speaker 2: for Paul.
Speaker 6: We've talked about Paul.
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember the crew sort of like
Speaker 2: applauding the whole thing, like when we finished the whole thing,
Speaker 2: it was this is another like fun history of of
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. It's like that is a collaboration with
Speaker 2: the steady cam operator, with the props department, with the
Speaker 2: wardrobe department, with the lighting department. You know, you can't
Speaker 2: do that by yourself, and you can have these and
Speaker 2: obviously the director, you can have these ideas, but you know,
Speaker 2: it takes this group. It's just a it's just a
Speaker 2: priceless example of when it all works.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's really neat that I get to have a
Speaker 2: lifetime where I have that as one of my memories. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that have in this episode and it was probably
Speaker 2: one of the best scenes I ever did in seven years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's really amazing. I watched it
Speaker 6: a few times.
Speaker 3: I just thought it is I mean, because it was
Speaker 3: it was this beautifully choreographed dance.
Speaker 6: And Mike showing up.
Speaker 5: At the end also so funny, right, because we know
Speaker 5: where things are on the set, right, so like, I
Speaker 5: know where he.
Speaker 4: Found you, and I'm thinking, why was Mike walking on
Speaker 4: the side of the house, you know, from a viewers.
Speaker 2: I think though, it's because he went and tried the
Speaker 2: front door and it was locked and nobody answered, and
Speaker 2: so he probably hadn't.
Speaker 5: Been able to reach you to say I want to
Speaker 5: come to dinner. That's probably why, And so really he
Speaker 5: was did you know what there? That's you being another
Speaker 5: that's you being a good actor again. Yeah, and then
Speaker 5: him finding you and then you know, you crossing your
Speaker 5: legs it's all just so funny.
Speaker 2: I had a sex dream the other night. It was
Speaker 2: the first one I'd had in a long time.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, we've gone totally off the rail.
Speaker 4: Terry's revealing.
Speaker 2: I was really happy to have it because I have
Speaker 2: them often, like.
Speaker 6: A good one, yesh with who it was?
Speaker 2: Not anybody I knew. It was a man that would
Speaker 2: have been like appropriately my age, A handsome man, a
Speaker 2: handsome one who was kind of like weathered wrinkles, but
Speaker 2: like still handsome, but like appropriate, like somebody I would date,
Speaker 2: but like completely not a movie starter.
Speaker 5: You've actually seen this person before. Sometimes I wonder if
Speaker 5: the strangers that appear in our dreams are like people
Speaker 5: we've seen on the street and clocked.
Speaker 3: And you are an appropriately aged, handsome man with a
Speaker 3: weathered face.
Speaker 6: Find my mother.
Speaker 4: Write in beautiful note because she's waiting for you.
Speaker 6: Because I have duct tape. Okay, so it's just amazing.
Speaker 6: Then I think we have to build to what I've
Speaker 6: brought here today.
Speaker 3: Yes, then they do go to dinner that none of
Speaker 3: I just I loved that none of the husbands want
Speaker 3: to go to this dinner. Yeah, and all the women, Yes,
Speaker 3: of course we're going to do this. We're going to
Speaker 3: do this in her honor. We all want to go,
Speaker 3: and every single one of the husband's in their own way,
Speaker 3: except of course Mike, who's excited just to be with
Speaker 3: Susan and he's not a husband yet they all don't
Speaker 3: want to go. And I thought this was such an
Speaker 3: interesting split of the masculine versus the feminine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love a dinner.
Speaker 3: Party, and I feel like a lot of my male
Speaker 3: or more masculine identifying friends also love a dinner party,
Speaker 3: but there is a kind of different excitement amongst my girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a book club that's all women and
Speaker 2: we love getting together. And you know me, I throw
Speaker 2: a lot of parties. Yes, I feel like that's been
Speaker 2: one of my identities.
Speaker 6: Is party throw is an amazing person and I love.
Speaker 2: Cooking meals for people. So it is funny. I really
Speaker 2: in my real life, I am sort of a combination
Speaker 2: of Breed and Susan. I think i'm and maybe I'm
Speaker 2: a combination of all of these.
Speaker 3: Well, you also definitely have the Lynette. I mean, at
Speaker 3: least the working at the time that she was working
Speaker 3: for a.
Speaker 2: Like breadwinner or whatever. Well, so all of our characters
Speaker 2: find themselves at this dinner.
Speaker 5: At another iconic scene another except except for Paul, Well Paul.
Speaker 4: And uh and Tom. Yeah he has to stay.
Speaker 6: On he stays home with the sugar.
Speaker 4: And who looks beautiful at that dress.
Speaker 2: I thought she was great in that dress.
Speaker 4: Another timeless, you know moment of fashion from the show.
Speaker 2: Always jealous of people like you Emerson that can wear
Speaker 2: that have like little breasts and you can wear those backs.
Speaker 2: I would like, I I honestly. But the spectacular yeah,
Speaker 2: but a huge part they're not really real and spectacular.
Speaker 2: I mean, they are really real, but they're certainly not
Speaker 2: spectacular even I'm not sure they ever were spectacular, certainly
Speaker 2: not out of a brawl. They might have been spectacular
Speaker 2: in a bra, but they've never been spectacular out of
Speaker 2: the bra. But there's still real and now they're not
Speaker 2: even spectacular on a bra, so like, don't even it
Speaker 2: doesn't even matter anymore. But that said, I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to be flat chested so that I could wear those
Speaker 2: kind of like dresses.
Speaker 3: I have to say, I have a friends, I have
Speaker 3: friends who felt self conscious about being flat chested, and
Speaker 3: I never did because growing up with you, you always said,
Speaker 3: I'm so jealous, you can wear the message.
Speaker 2: So that was actually a good body image thing.
Speaker 6: I think it was. It was a very good body
Speaker 6: That's great.
Speaker 2: Because usually moms like crush their their tea.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this scene, Yes.
Speaker 2: So what I've made here, this is a vegan carrot
Speaker 2: ginger soup. Wow, it's really delicious. I I'm going to
Speaker 2: serve it to you with a little bit of coconut
Speaker 2: cream and chopped parsley over the top.
Speaker 6: This is a soup that.
Speaker 2: No one eats. So much tension at this table that
Speaker 2: the soup just sits there being lovely, but we're going
Speaker 2: to eat it.
Speaker 3: This is this really is the dinner party from hell
Speaker 3: in the sense of the silence around the table and
Speaker 3: everyone kind of trying. And then I love I love
Speaker 3: the moment of shared humanity that happens before Brie completely
Speaker 3: you know it says what she says about Rat.
Speaker 5: To go back just a bit, because I want to say, like,
Speaker 5: the reason that this is the tension so thick is
Speaker 5: because Brie has made this big deal to her husband
Speaker 5: about keeping their secret that they're.
Speaker 6: In marriage with Tennis lessons.
Speaker 5: They have the facade up about they go to tennis lessons.
Speaker 5: She brings her tennis gear to therapy, which is hysterical,
Speaker 5: and so she's made a big point to Rex about
Speaker 5: we're not talking about this. You're not going to drink
Speaker 5: because you get loose lipped, and it's our secret.
Speaker 3: And she has that one amazing one liner when she goes,
Speaker 3: my backhand is improving immensely, but you're still having trouble
Speaker 3: with your serfs.
Speaker 2: Yes, do I just get to say, Marsha, Marsha Marshall.
Speaker 2: I just to not get over her comedic delivery on
Speaker 2: some of these things.
Speaker 6: That was my favorite line.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, it's so so great, and so again
Speaker 5: just like sums up their dynamic. He's like, of course,
Speaker 5: of course that would be the backstory you come up
Speaker 5: with for us. So then cut to him at the
Speaker 5: dinner party talking to Carlos. Carlos does that thing which
Speaker 5: everyone hates when you're trying to lie and someone just
Speaker 5: keeps asking you questions and you have to recommit to
Speaker 5: the lie every time, and he finally breaks. It doesn't
Speaker 5: take him long, but he breaks, and he reveals that
Speaker 5: they are in fact in marriage counseling, and Bree is horrified.
Speaker 3: Right, he drops that tray of these little cucumbers go everywhere.
Speaker 5: And so now we're sitting at the dinner table and
Speaker 5: Susan's the one to break the tension by her camaraderie
Speaker 5: and sharing her story.
Speaker 3: And yes, and then and then Lynette follows with an
Speaker 3: amazing story about how her and her husband got kicked
Speaker 3: off of the Mister Toad's Wild Ride, which I love that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you brot on that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, that ridland. Honestly, that was one
Speaker 3: of my favorite rides growing up.
Speaker 2: And it's very it's very steamy and hot because.
Speaker 6: You go to Hell Point. I mean, this ride is
Speaker 6: definitely weird.
Speaker 2: Oh I think they might have already gone. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I was just there.
Speaker 3: I feel like we were there like a year or
Speaker 3: so ago and it was still there, Okay, And many
Speaker 3: people say this is their favorite ride. But you you
Speaker 3: get into a car, you're mister Toad, You're wreaking havoc,
Speaker 3: you're getting drunk, You drive onto a train track.
Speaker 6: You after causing a lot of may you.
Speaker 3: Get hit by a train, and then you come to
Speaker 3: in Hell because that's the end of the ride. You
Speaker 3: go through Hell and then you come out and the ride's.
Speaker 5: Over and getting it on and on in there.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like a ride where people have gotten
Speaker 2: it off.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, there is. It is amazing.
Speaker 2: There and if you do the wrong thing, you probably
Speaker 2: do get purp walked down main Street like those characters did.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it stopped. I'm sure there's percentage
Speaker 2: of people that have done that. So they did that.
Speaker 2: And then Gary talks about breaking a water bread. You
Speaker 2: know my parents had water bread.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, really was their seventies.
Speaker 2: My parents had a big, giant, king sized.
Speaker 5: Water crazy that someone created a waterbed and the country
Speaker 5: was like, yep.
Speaker 3: The standard hotel used to have those waterbeds that were
Speaker 3: in the dome up on the rooftop along the pool.
Speaker 6: It was like a white dome and there was a.
Speaker 3: Waterbed inside instead of the cabanas or something.
Speaker 6: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: So this is all leading to share.
Speaker 6: Softens.
Speaker 3: Well, it feels like, okay, amazing, they've saved this. Everyone
Speaker 3: was vulnerable. We got pretty pictures. They're all sharing humiliating stories.
Speaker 3: And then Andrew do you want.
Speaker 7: To say it?
Speaker 4: I would like you to say it.
Speaker 3: Oh great, I really my love it for that one.
Speaker 3: And then says that Rex cries after he comes that well,
Speaker 3: he actually says after he ejaculates.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I remember, Okay, so obviously when we shot, you know,
Speaker 5: the first season, I was fourteen by this point, and
Speaker 5: so my parents would read the scripts too. It wasn't
Speaker 5: just me who would read them. And I remember my
Speaker 5: dad coming into the kitchen after reading that and he was,
Speaker 5: I mean, he thought it was so funny and he
Speaker 5: was so shocked that they were saying this on network TV.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he was and my dad's like not.
Speaker 5: Easily flappable, like he's he's hip, he's cool, he's not
Speaker 5: like a prude or anything, but he was just he
Speaker 5: thought it was so amazing, amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that.
Speaker 2: Was some definite boundary pushing.
Speaker 4: I mean, wow, he like pushed back at all.
Speaker 2: They probably did, probably did, which we you know, we'd
Speaker 2: have to ask Mark.
Speaker 6: I would imagine still today.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was just on a notes call today
Speaker 3: about a project I'm writing, and we were talking about
Speaker 3: how there's one scene where, for one second I wrote
Speaker 3: that a character comes out and joins another character on
Speaker 3: the porch and lights a cigarette. And the producer's note was, oh,
Speaker 3: make sure you don't have any smoking because we just
Speaker 3: don't want to have to deal with the studio notes
Speaker 3: on this for this.
Speaker 6: Type of wow.
Speaker 3: And it's fascinating how pervasive the attention to certain moments
Speaker 3: like that, right still is. So to think about saying
Speaker 3: something like ejaculate is really I can only imagine.
Speaker 2: I mean, but also I mean it is so explosive,
Speaker 2: so boundary breaking, but also like, can you think of
Speaker 2: anything that would have been.
Speaker 6: More humiliated humiliated.
Speaker 2: To him than that to him?
Speaker 3: In particularly Yeah, I mean it apps, I mean, it
Speaker 3: just like cuts through every piece of everything.
Speaker 4: It's just such a it's like it's.
Speaker 5: Such a powerful moment because it's so funny, it's so shocking,
Speaker 5: and it also for their individual characters, like him, the
Speaker 5: way that that would wound him, but her taking taking
Speaker 5: a moment to say something that biting and that it does,
Speaker 5: it does break her facade a little bit, like the
Speaker 5: way that she is because of herself, is not someone
Speaker 5: who would say something like that, right, So, like, so
Speaker 5: much happens, so much.
Speaker 3: Is charged in yeah, Yeah, she is still deflecting away
Speaker 3: from herself. You know, she is still not owning owning
Speaker 3: something she's done.
Speaker 5: That's right, they're humanizing themselves to her to try to
Speaker 5: make her feel better about being in marriage counseling. And
Speaker 5: instead of her going like, oh yeah, well, thank you
Speaker 5: guys for you know, doing that, she punches with that
Speaker 5: and it is just.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: She's got guns. Oh man, yeah, metaphor I know, oh
Speaker 2: my god, that ner a line and the other episode, yeah,
Speaker 2: for episode one was hilarious. And so then right after this,
Speaker 2: she steals mary Alice's tape.
Speaker 3: Well she yeah, she goes to her therapist and she
Speaker 3: finds she's looking for her husband's tape again, crossing another
Speaker 3: boundary finds mary Alice, and she's.
Speaker 5: So horrible and desperate to use the word but in
Speaker 5: that scene of like I need you to tell me
Speaker 5: what it is, like what can I do?
Speaker 2: You know? And then she is like I can't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well yeah, and I mean as a good therapist.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then Paul puts the house up for sale,
Speaker 2: and then Lynette asks are we happy? And I think, like,
Speaker 2: that's just you know, as we kind of wrap this
Speaker 2: up with our carrot ginger soup, but we're.
Speaker 4: Very well, we will actually do that.
Speaker 2: I mean that I wonder if in relationships, like I'm
Speaker 2: not in a relationship, but like I do sometimes say
Speaker 2: to you, like, are we good? Like sometimes I'll just
Speaker 2: say that, you know, like not like.
Speaker 3: My girlfriend sometimes she always says, I say it completely
Speaker 3: out of the blue.
Speaker 6: We're having a fantastic tag do you love me? Very
Speaker 6: happy with me?
Speaker 2: And I guess there there should be room in a
Speaker 2: relationship to just take the pulse of totally of it.
Speaker 2: And I think if you, I think the fear is
Speaker 2: if you don't take the pulse periodically, something is going
Speaker 2: to get away from you.
Speaker 5: And also different people have different metrics for what happy is,
Speaker 5: and so you know you're in a marriage, it's a
Speaker 5: collective relationship, but there's two individuals with their own things
Speaker 5: going on, and so the need to check in and say, like, hey,
Speaker 5: how are we as a unit? I think is vital
Speaker 5: to the health of a relationship. But also such a
Speaker 5: vulnerable moment for Minette.
Speaker 3: And it takes a lot to bring back what you
Speaker 3: were saying at the beginning of this episode, this theme
Speaker 3: of living in fear and what do we live in fear?
Speaker 3: It takes a lot of bravery to ask the question
Speaker 3: are we happy? And to open the door to what
Speaker 3: that answer might be, you know, and we end on
Speaker 3: the image of Paul putting the first sale sign up
Speaker 3: in his house. It's like the complete opposite of looking
Speaker 3: at what's going on underneath. He's trying to run away from.
Speaker 4: It and doing it under the cloak of darkness.
Speaker 5: You know, you guys are all in bed, and then
Speaker 5: it's it's kind of everyone hearing that same clunk clunk, sum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just another banger of an episode.
Speaker 6: I know, my god, I can't wait to see what
Speaker 6: happens next.
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