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Speaker 1: Today, I afked up by letting an Instagram DM sugar

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Speaker 1: Daddy pay off my credit card. This is okop Home

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Speaker 1: with the Craziest stories on Earth. I'm Sam and Sophia.

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Speaker 1: Would you let a sugar daddy pay off your credit card?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever gotten those sugar Daddy?

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Speaker 2: Yes? But they were I assumed they were scammed, so

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Speaker 2: maybe I wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that the only given the opportunity, you

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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta take it all the way. You got

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Speaker 1: to say, like, sure, take me up to dinner. Nah,

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Speaker 1: I guess they like, all right, meet me in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the desert. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't kidnap you. You're dead and my credit

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Speaker 2: card is paid off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If you die, you don't have to pay off

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Speaker 1: your credit card. I should thank him. This comes from

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Speaker 1: Wrong Advance nine seven four seven, And they say, so,

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Speaker 1: I'm passively doom scrolling on Instagram when I receive a

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Speaker 1: DM from a man whom I do not know. I

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Speaker 1: am no stranger to scammers on Instagram, the ones who

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Speaker 1: message you and say they want to help you out.

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Speaker 1: I've always ignored them as they're obvious scams. But day

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Speaker 1: was different. Call it a lapse in judgment or a

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Speaker 1: sudden loss of brain cells. But I received a message

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Speaker 1: from a man who seemed nice enough. Wait, soyvia, So

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Speaker 1: when you've got these messages, what do they like?

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Speaker 2: How do they hello? You are the most beautiful woman

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Speaker 2: in the world. In the world, I would like to

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Speaker 2: be your sugar daddy.

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Speaker 1: Is that how it goes?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: Hey? Ohsh I got I want to be called the

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Speaker 1: most beautiful man of the world. Riley say, guess what what,

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Speaker 1: You're the most beautiful man in the world. You're the

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Speaker 1: most beautiful man of.

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Speaker 2: The You are the most beautiful men in the world.

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Speaker 2: I like to be your.

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Speaker 1: Sugar Test one is one guy I have a okay

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Speaker 1: story time about sugar Daddy's amazing. He had a thought

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Speaker 1: out profile with photos and stories, not your typical fake profile.

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Speaker 1: We started chatting back and forth and things seem normal.

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Speaker 1: Then this man asked me to be his sugar baby.

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Speaker 2: Most so, we hadn't asked it to begin with.

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Speaker 1: No, he just said, you're the most beautif for a

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Speaker 1: woman in the world. Immediately I tell him A, I

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Speaker 1: have no money, B have no intention of sending him

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Speaker 1: any money, and see, am not interested in being scammed.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he launches into a grandiose speech about he

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Speaker 1: had how he'd never scammed me or ask me for money,

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Speaker 1: that he'll be paying me so there's no need to

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Speaker 1: be worried. Apprehensively, I agree to keep talking to him.

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Speaker 1: We exchange phone numbers and begin texting back and forth. See,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't would you exchange phone numbers?

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Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't have accepted this man's Instagram request. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have gotten that far.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: He's like, why don't worry, I will be seeing men,

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Speaker 2: and I guess I believe it's all I needed.

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Speaker 1: A few days go by and we're chatting pretty regularly.

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Speaker 1: I talked to him about work, his day, he asked

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Speaker 1: me about my day. Things largely steam benign. At this point,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming I've met a lonely old man who is

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Speaker 1: looking for some attention. We never talked in any sexual capacity,

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Speaker 1: and he seemed to take genuine interest in my life.

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Speaker 1: But fast forward a few days until he texts me

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Speaker 1: and tells me he's going to pay off my credit card,

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Speaker 1: which we had previously talked about. I asked him how

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Speaker 1: he intends to do so, and he becomes insistent on

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Speaker 1: logging into my credit card account and cadding his bank

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Speaker 1: account information as the form of payments.

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Speaker 2: No, no, he has to send you venmo U.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just cash app.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't let anything.

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Speaker 1: You do it? Do it right, he's cash APPO.

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Speaker 2: Don't let someone into your bank account.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't give them any of your very silly, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was incredibly reluctant, as you should be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Rule one of basic cybersecurity would dictate that should anyone

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Speaker 1: ask for personal information, I should not give that said information. However,

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Speaker 1: there I sat, paying the risk and rewards. A young

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Speaker 1: college student with a sizeable amount of debt from living

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Speaker 2: Okay, well he should send the money.

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Speaker 1: This is sokasha, So I run the risk. No, I

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Speaker 1: give him the log in information and sit anxiously as

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Speaker 1: I ponder all of the ways this man could ruin

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: The pending payment was posted and I received an email confirmation. Immediately,

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Speaker 1: I changed my passwords and thank him profusely. After a

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Speaker 1: day or two, the payment clears and my card is

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Speaker 1: paid off. The euphoria I felt in that moment is unmatched.

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Speaker 1: We continue talking back and forth for about two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Cut to last night, at about one AM. They're talking

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Speaker 2: Mean, he paid off her credit card bill. Gotta give

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a conversation back. I guess, So

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Speaker 2: that's crazy. Risk really paid off it?

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Speaker 1: Did those d ms? There? I am texting him about

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Speaker 1: his weekend, and he asked me to run an errand

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Speaker 1: for him. This is where the feeling in my gut

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Speaker 1: that something was wrong started. He starts telling me started this.

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Speaker 1: This is the point he starts telling me that he

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Speaker 1: needs gift cards for crypto trading. What that's totally normal.

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Speaker 2: That's so he needs your bank account and social Security

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Speaker 2: number for crypto trading.

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Speaker 1: I need to get the gift cards for him because

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Speaker 1: I'm the only one he can trust that once I

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Speaker 1: purchased the cards with my credit line, you would pay

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Speaker 1: it all back, just as he did before.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's where you cut your losses definitely.

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Speaker 1: We get to ask questions, why do I specifically need

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Speaker 1: to purchase the cards, Why can't he purchase them for himself?

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Speaker 1: How many does he need? Et cetera. Quically his patience

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Speaker 1: runs thin. He begins brusturing me to purchase the cards

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Speaker 1: and telling me I owe him for paying off the card. Finally,

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Speaker 1: I tell him outright no, that I'm uncomfortable, and that

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Speaker 1: he had promised I wouldn't ever have to pay any

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Speaker 1: I am not well educated on the sd SB Dynamic

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Speaker 1: Sugar Daddy Sugar Baby dynamics, but I do know that

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Speaker 1: no one would ask anyone to do something of this

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Speaker 1: nature unless they're doing some shady business. Yeah. Usually, like

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Speaker 1: when people ask you to buy any kind of gift cards, ever,

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Speaker 1: it's a scam because say for real, well, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like if someone was like, hey, could you go get

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Speaker 2: me a Target gift card, don't trust it?

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Speaker 1: Don't trust it. Why ever, Sophia asked me to get

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Speaker 1: spot What Actually, like scammers and like hackers and such,

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Speaker 1: they get gift card because untraceable. Oh, because you can

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Speaker 2: Andble that's true.

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Speaker 1: Either he's scamming or laundering money, regardless, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be involved. The man begins to ask for his

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Speaker 1: money back. Saying that if I don't pay him back

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Speaker 1: in twenty four hours, he'll make me.

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Speaker 2: Rent my life, my god, go to the police.

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Speaker 1: I asked him how he wants to receive payment, and

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Speaker 1: he provides an email I do not recognize. It was

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Speaker 1: then that I realized I aft up. I start panicking

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Speaker 1: and shaking. At first, I considered just sending the money

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Speaker 1: about the debt and terrified of my parents finding out. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I knew I didn't have the money. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: the account himself. So I deleted every social media I

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Speaker 1: had and changed every password to everything I own. I

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Speaker 1: blocked his phone number and began thinking of all or

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Speaker 1: any information he really had on me and what he

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Speaker 1: could do with it. Unfortunately, does he have this man

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Speaker 1: was persistent. I began receiving text from the email telling

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's in like this is.

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Speaker 1: He's in duty. This is why I was so terrifying.

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Speaker 1: I began pretending that I was my own parent. And

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Speaker 1: that I was confused as to why he was looking

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Speaker 1: to contact my child.

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Speaker 2: That's kind start.

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Speaker 1: For some reason he bought this. We interact briefly and

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Speaker 1: he tells me that I need to talk to my

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Speaker 1: child and get him his money in twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: or he'll be opening up an FBI case.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but if he opens up.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna tell on himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it going to be like? I willingly

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Speaker 2: paid off this young woman's debts, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Finding by all of these gift guards for my shady

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Speaker 1: illegal business because.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of birthdays coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a big family, come on, and they

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Speaker 1: fed up badly. We call and I tell everything about

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Speaker 1: the debt, the man, the threats, all of it. Now

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Speaker 1: I've come clean. My parents are helping me pick up

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Speaker 1: the pieces and figure out the next step. Hard lesson

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Speaker 1: learn there's no such thing as free lunch, for sure.

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Speaker 1: So TLDR. I met a man through Instagram DMS who

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Speaker 1: wanted to help pay off my credit card debt. I

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Speaker 1: allowed him to do so. And when I refuse to

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Speaker 1: began threatening me. I ended up telling my parents and

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Speaker 1: learning a hard lesson. Yes, it's okay to roast me.

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Speaker 1: Financial desperation apparently destroys your critical analysis.

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Speaker 2: Gil, Wait, but what happened?

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Speaker 1: That's it? What that's where it ends. So but honestly, it.

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Speaker 2: Seems like she won.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. She got her credit.

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Speaker 2: Card, but she had a scare, but her credit card.

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Speaker 1: Is nothing really bad has happened. He's probably not even

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Speaker 1: in the US. Yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 2: He's probably just threatening her so like to try and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know he actually can do anything.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't start an FBI case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you do that? The FBI are going

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Speaker 1: to know that it's sketchy aest buck. They're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: do the FBI case. Go ahead, do it? Yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: I share you. But I have a little okay story time.

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Speaker 2: Oh on credit card debt on the FBI.

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Speaker 1: One of my friends, Yeah, one of my friends. She

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Speaker 1: got an Instagram DM and was like, hey, how much

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Speaker 1: for feet picks, which is as something that many women

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Speaker 1: have gotten unfortunately, and he was willing to pay like

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Speaker 1: was like a good amount of money. So all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of down, Like, you send me the money first, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll send you I'll send you the feed picks.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, hey, there's one catch, all right.

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Speaker 1: I can either send you fifty dollars cash or I

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Speaker 1: can send you three hundred dollars worth of macha.

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Speaker 2: He was using three hundred dollars worth of macha.

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Speaker 1: And he was using but I think he apparently he

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Speaker 2: Just send me macha for free.

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Speaker 1: The people can send us macha weird funny things. Someone

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Speaker 2: I would love that, really call. I only slightly know

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Speaker 2: Reading this next story? Reading in general, Yeah, I worked

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we don't know if it affected it negatively

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Speaker 2: But how did they find out?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they were the murderer the whole time? The credit

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If you've ever told someone that you were dead

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Speaker 2: Oh they okay, they died.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like hello, I'm dead, I am dead, Hello,

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Speaker 2: They're like, no, I gotta call that credit card.

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Speaker 1: I raised my debt now or you will be cursed.

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Speaker 2: Well and Sashia o g says In twenty twenty, shortly

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: To say that credit one's customer service sucks is an understatement.

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Speaker 2: It's a card that I got when I was rebuilding

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Speaker 1: They just want to get a believe just a random

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Speaker 2: I guess so they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Fell about Yeah, they're not going to do any background research.

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Speaker 2: They're like someone's trying to use her card. I must

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Speaker 2: I was genuinely baffled. The account rep then says she

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Speaker 2: My authorization was always required, Because my authorization was always

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Speaker 2: sure how this would have worked. I gave my approval

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Speaker 2: we need, we need dead.

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Speaker 1: Dig up your dead body and bring it back to life, Frankensteinstein.

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Speaker 2: To get the authorization.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so go do that. It's an electricity go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have thirty days to complete this mission.

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Speaker 2: I thought that, Yeah, the credit card company is out

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Speaker 2: for your blood.

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Speaker 1: Called death and taxes.

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Speaker 2: MM. I like it, right, I thought back to May.

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Speaker 2: Out of the recesses, the recesses of my memory, I

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Speaker 1: But why laughing?

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Speaker 2: Probably dead?

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Speaker 1: Probably dead?

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Speaker 2: Don't need all why not? No? But why would they

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you would check. I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: Checking, like obituary or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but why would they just take the word of

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Speaker 2: So that was the end of my relationship with Credit One,

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Speaker 1: Done done.

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Speaker 1: How are they still doing that? How are they requesting

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Speaker 2: Also? But like she already called them, Yeah, like I'm.

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Speaker 1: Alive, prove it, So you're alive certificate?

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Speaker 2: Sure, now they want proof. I had to call them again.

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Speaker 2: After an exhausting run around, I finally got a hold

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Speaker 2: I needed to fax my proof to their office. That's right,

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Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty and they wanted me to find a

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Speaker 1: Find a machine, dude, savage.

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Speaker 2: I was able to find an e service to fat

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Speaker 2: the credit one saga or not?

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Speaker 1: Is there more?

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Speaker 2: Paying it off wasn't good enough. I had to contact

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Speaker 2: which I filmed in case of further shenanigans, I nor

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Speaker 1: Paying the lord they died. Also, who calls their their like?

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Speaker 1: Who calls it in a state? I don't know, unless

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Speaker 1: you're like super wealthy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they are.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they are, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Because they said that they were trying to pay.

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Speaker 1: Off debt, well, they could have like a million of

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Speaker 1: you know, rich people have debt.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Actually, rich people have four. Generally they know how to

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Speaker 1: just takes that debt.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they did know that.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to pay any taxes.

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Speaker 4: You know, the guy that did Rich Dad, poor dad. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he has like a billion dollars in debt and his

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Speaker 4: net worth is one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: What Yeah, how does that work?

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Speaker 3: I don't know? He said, he understands how to do it,

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Speaker 3: and he can. He's okay with having debt.

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Speaker 1: He has a billion dollars of debt.

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Speaker 3: His net worth is one hundred million.

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Speaker 2: What is he buying?

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Speaker 3: Real estate?

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Speaker 1: Is a commercial real estate? Billion dollars of debt? Pull

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Speaker 1: that up, Bradley, I have his I have his book. True,

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Speaker 1: you don't know that is I did, but you know what.

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Speaker 3: You do know? Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Yeahoo, finance says rich dead poor dad, Robert. He's one

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Speaker 4: point two billion dollars in debt, both the.

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Speaker 1: More robbery billion dollars in debt. If I go bust,

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Speaker 1: the bank goes bus. What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Like if he I think he's saying, if I

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Speaker 2: do poorly, then the bank loses a billion dollars, Like,

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Speaker 2: if I go bankrupt, then I can't pay off billion

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Speaker 2: dollars that I loant was lunch.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the bank fails. I guess thought process

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Speaker 1: I want to know what everyone else thinks. How does this?

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Speaker 1: How does this work? Put your answer to the comments?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they like he's just like leveraging debt or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they're like the bank is like, oh well,

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Speaker 2: if we don't help him, we lose all this money.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was interpreting it as if I was to go bankrupt,

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Speaker 1: then the banks would already be bankrupt, and so there's

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Speaker 1: like they couldn't even come after me because they're bankrupt.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know, but you know what I do

445
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: know this next story.

446
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: I gotta read this next story. That's what I know.

447
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: My boss opened up a credit card in my name

448
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: and did the same to two co workers. And this

449
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: comes from Tronlon. Tronlan, you're in trouble. You're in a

450
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: Jim Jim.

451
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 2: That's so true.

452
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is okop Home with the Craziest Stories on Earth.

453
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm Sam and Sophia. Do you think identity theft is

454
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: a joke.

455
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: No, Jim, it's not. It's not a joke.

456
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: Though this comes from tron lon com. As if being

457
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: underpaid at my job isn't enough, I just found out

458
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: my boss opened up a credit card in my name.

459
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: I work at a mom and pop type business in

460
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: graphic design, and my boss is the same guy who

461
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: hired me. Two days ago, I got a call from

462
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Speaker 1: Capital One asking about unusual charges on my credit card.

463
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: The rep went over a couple of charges and I

464
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: had literally no idea what she was talking about. I

465
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: told them it looked like those charges weren't on my app,

466
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Speaker 1: and the rep said she tried calling at a different

467
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: phone number, but it was disconnected. She can I had

468
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: two credit cards to them, but I only have one.

469
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 1: The rep told me my other account, my actual account

470
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: had no strange charges, but a different one opened only

471
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Speaker 1: in December, was nearing its credit limit and there were

472
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Speaker 1: two large charges at different Walmart stores. You know, Shaquille

473
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: O'Neal holds the record for Walmart purchases seventy thousand dollars,

474
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Speaker 1: seventy one go and one to go.

475
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Speaker 2: How did he buy the Walmart?

476
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Speaker 1: He bottle? He bought like a bunch of stuff for

477
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Speaker 1: other people.

478
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 3: Oh, he did. I felt like he got a new

479
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: apartment and he was like, I need a ton of stuff.

480
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Speaker 1: I you know, you can look it up. I'm not

481
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: let me know. Let me know.

482
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: It was like, I have seventy thousand dollars to spend.

483
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to spend it.

484
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: All at all at w Yeah, I think he was.

485
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: He was buying stuff for other people. I asked for

486
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: the address on the accounts, and one was mine. The other,

487
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: which I had no idea about, was the home address

488
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: for my boss. They canceled the and said I might

489
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: get contacted by their fraud department yesterday. I told my

490
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: team about it, and two of them immediately chimed up.

491
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: They had their identity stolen last month with credit cards

492
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: opened in their name. Oh, Mike, the boss who works remotely,

493
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: told about a dozen of us at the end of

494
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: November we needed to fill out updated W nine's because

495
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: the company was moving to a new system and send

496
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Speaker 1: them to him.

497
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Speaker 5: One of them ran out on lunch and grabbed the

498
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 5: letter they were sent from the credit card company. The

499
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 5: phone number is one number off of our boss's cell

500
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 5: phone number, and the address is the UPS store and

501
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 5: the talent where he lived. Oh my god, he did

502
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 5: not cover his tracks at all.

503
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Speaker 1: I've put up a lot working here, but this is

504
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: absolutely the last straw. That's just the work environment in

505
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: Middling is middling at best, but the pay is horrible.

506
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm calling in sick today and starting to look for

507
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Speaker 1: something that actually works for me and pays me at

508
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: least what I'm worth.

509
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: They're not going to go to the police.

510
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: What else should I be doing other than calling the cops? Okay,

511
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: thank you so much for the advice. I'm going to

512
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: post an update as soon as I have one. So

513
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: what do you think you should do? Front the boss? Yeah?

514
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, in a lawsuit. You get everyone who's involved, get

515
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: some destile. Yeah, class action lawsuit against the boss. Because

516
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: you have the credit card company information, you have the

517
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: proof that you're like, you know, like you're like, oh,

518
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: this is the PO box, is the number, and then

519
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: you compile that all together and you don't you don't

520
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: tell the boss about it. You just go to the Yeah,

521
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: because he could like, yeah, he could change it and

522
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: he could.

523
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: Cover his tracks. I feel like you go you go

524
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: straight to the players and then a police lawyer and

525
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: talk to the other people too. And also is it

526
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: seventy thousand? Yeah, seventy thousand, dude, let's freaking go.

527
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: You got traded from Miami to Phoenix and had an

528
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 4: empty apartment and then just bought seventy thousand dollars worth

529
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Speaker 4: of stuff to put in an apartment.

530
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's not as cool as people.

531
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: But he does, like go to Walmart and like and

532
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: buy stuff for this buy stuff for people. Yeah, he does.

533
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: Like you will see like a kid looking at a

534
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: bike and be like, oh, you want that bike?

535
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: I just understand, Like that's awesome. Okay, cool?

536
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: What moth Moth sixty one says, So your boss is

537
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: not the owner? Is he related to the owner? Nope,

538
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: responds correct. There are two managers who are both off

539
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: site and the owner who is on site. The manager

540
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: who requested the W nine was hired last summer. As

541
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: far as I know, he has no connection to the

542
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: owner at all. They are definitely not related. A lawyer

543
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: friend of mine told me to remove this. I'll provide

544
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: an update when I can. This is from uh this

545
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: additional information in the comments. Okay, it's coming from Daniel

546
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: calderone ninety nine. You need to tell all of your

547
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: coworkers to check their credit immediately. You're also going to

548
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: want to call the police, like today. If he did

549
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: it to you and a couple of other my guess

550
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: is he probably is going to do it to every

551
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: single person who sent him at W nine, I take

552
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: a couple of immediate steps by for you get a

553
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: police report, because if the credit card companies think you

554
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: might be lying, they'll do what they can to screw

555
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: you over. Start a credit monitoring service like this one

556
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: and check your credit. If he's opening one credit card

557
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: in your name, he might have opened several. Freeze your

558
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: credit so that he can't do any more on damage.

559
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: You said you work for a small company. I don't

560
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: know if you have an HR department, but that would

561
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: be my next stop if you don't time to hit

562
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: up the owners, but don't tell them you're about to leave.

563
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: And then OP responds, I'm going to be doing all

564
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: three obviously, I'm not going to let this slide. And

565
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: then here's an edit. I worded that badly. I filed

566
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: the initial report already. I was contacted by a detective

567
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: late last week for more information. Supposedly they might need

568
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: a subpoena to want for one of the companies, because

569
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: getting them to release anything without a court order is impossible.

570
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: This take time. I started the credit credit monitoring service

571
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: and it looks amazing. I saw some stuff on there

572
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: I didn't even know about. I put a freeze on

573
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: two of my credit reports. But Equal Facts is making

574
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: it difficult, and there is a big juicy update. What

575
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: are you thinking is going to happen.

576
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it seems like they've op He's taken

577
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: the proper step. So I'm hoping that they get this

578
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: class action lawsuit going and this boss gets arrested.

579
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm hoping so too, because they were I don't know.

580
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that they were talking about it so casually

581
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: in the beginning.

582
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: What oh casually Like I say, oh, yeah, my identity,

583
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: god story.

584
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave the company.

585
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's like a huge deal.

586
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a big Like I wouldn't be

587
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: surprised if there was like a like an article about this.

588
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, stealing all of your your companies in from like

589
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: your this happened to I don't know, because that's it

590
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: seems too easy.

591
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just get we just they just gave them

592
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: their w nine the banking information.

593
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could do that to you guys right now.

594
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: But let's get into the update. My company put the

595
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: manager on unpaid leave a couple of days after they

596
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: were contacted by a detective about the open cards. Four

597
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: of us ended up filing police reports on the same day.

598
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: A couple of days later, I got an alert from

599
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: a credit monitoring company saying someone tried opening a Discover

600
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: card in my name. They put a stop to that.

601
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: One of my coworkers got a callback from the detective

602
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: on Tuesday and told him a judge signed off on

603
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: a warrant for identity theft. I forgot the exact term

604
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: for the criminal complaint last week. Apparently the detective was

605
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: able to get video footage from a store of our

606
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: boss using a credit card registered in the coworker's name.

607
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Our boss also drove a car to him and from

608
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: the store, all visible on survey. Our boss also drove

609
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: a car registered to him to and from the store,

610
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: all visible on surveillance. So they caught him red handed.

611
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: He didn't cover his track, he didn't even try to

612
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: cover his tracks.

613
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: He's not doing it right, He's not. Do you think

614
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: you could, Yeah, if you had to steal my identity

615
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and cover your tracks. Do you think you could?

616
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: I could steal your driver's license and it.

617
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: Would work, that's true. Yeah, Sophia does look like me.

618
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: It would be a haircut. I wonder if you got

619
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: my same haircut?

620
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: Like how how? I well, I don't know, but your

621
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: hair is like this right now? Ye split it down

622
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: the middle. It looks bad.

623
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's more more like fluffy.

624
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: Well style it. We'll get you a wig, all.

625
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: Right, Well, we'll put we'll put on the same wig.

626
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: And then and then we'll ask you guys to tell me.

627
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, who is who?

628
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: Can you figure it out?

629
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: The detective said. The sheriff's department or the state's attorney's

630
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: department made sure to include the boss's state in the

631
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: extradition limits for the warrant. My coworker said the reason

632
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: the detective called is because the detective was called by

633
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: another detective in the city where our boss lives. Pops

634
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: in that city have tried pulling him over three times

635
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: in the last month, with the last stop being on Monday.

636
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: All three times he just doesn't stop. The place has

637
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: a zero pursuit policy, so they have to let him

638
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: go and they think he might be armed, so they

639
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: just don't they have a zero pursuit.

640
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: They like turn on the sirens and they're like, well,

641
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: all right, there he goes.

642
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: We can't do anything that. Well. I think there's like

643
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: there's more policing things like that as of like the

644
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Yeah, where like like for San Francisco,

645
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe they arrest people for anything non violent

646
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: makes sense.

647
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: I feel like if it's non violent, then.

648
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, is an he'd be a more credit or dead

649
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: if he like injures a car, like you know, stop

650
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: like a murderer than like someone dangerous to pursue.

651
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Which is why they have on the road non pursuit.

652
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: And it's not again like he's he's doing like credit.

653
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: Card frauds, so he's a credit god.

654
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyone just magic like having your mailbox demolished because

655
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: someone like stole credit credit.

656
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: Cards because they Yeah, I would be fine with that,

657
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: would be okay with that. Yeah, we don't have a mailbox.

658
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Well it's just a front door.

659
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: Crash.

660
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I guess that would be pretty pissed they crashed for

661
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: a front door.

662
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's more.

663
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: They stole my credit in order.

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Speaker 1: The house where he is supposed to live is empty

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Speaker 1: out as well. The detective for my old city told

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Speaker 1: my coworker he's still waiting on other surveillance footage in

667
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: regards to the rest of the complaints and including mine,

668
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: and they'll likely be added on as additional counts, but

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00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: they want to get him in custody first. From what

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00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: it sounds like, he'd have to go through the system

671
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: on his felony eluding charge first, then he could be

672
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Speaker 1: extradited here to see a judge about the identity theft.

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00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Where did they work I don't know, he said, like

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00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: they're doing design, but what like, like, what is this

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00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: guy spending this on?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because it said that he took up

677
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: two big charges from like Key, but presumably he's also

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00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: spending large, like making large charges on these other accounts.

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Speaker 1: And like if you're opening up that many cards, what

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00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: each card probably has like a couple thousand dollars limit.

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00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, so maybe he's just maxing out the limit.

682
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: But what what what is he spending on?

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00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: Uh, gift cards?

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00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: Gift cards. Honestly, that's probably the way to do it. Yeah, Okay,

685
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: so there's another update, A final update. I had almost

686
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: forgotten about this post until a few days ago, wouldn't

687
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: they it's a happy ending. Oh is this guy got

688
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: to get away?

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00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? They're like, we have a no pursuit yeah, like credit.

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00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we asked him like, hey, can you get arrest?

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00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: He's like, nokay, stop with the credit concept, and I'm

692
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: having fun. I decided not to pursue it.

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00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing we can do. I'm sorry, our hands

694
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: are tied. We're gonna do it. We also have a

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00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: non what what's a no resisting because yeah, yeah, we're

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00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: the pacifist pase. The silver lining is that it only

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00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: took about three weeks and the car that wasn't mine

698
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: was out of my name. My credit score went up

699
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: like ninety points. I also started a new job with

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00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: decent pay bump and far more time off.

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00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 2: Though wait did he improve Op's credit score?

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00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: Okay? So the silver lining is it only took about

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00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: three weeks, and so that basically took three weeks for

704
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: the car to be put out of Ope's name, Okay,

705
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: and then the credits cors went out ninety points. So

706
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: everything is great exactly except of a couple of months ago,

707
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: my old boss who was fired ended up getting killed

708
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: in a car accident.

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00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: Did the thief?

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00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: The thief? About a day later, it came out that

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00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: he had most likely murdered an elderly woman and stole

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00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: her car. Her daughter went to her house when she

713
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: didn't answer the phone and found her mother shot and

714
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: her car in purse missing. His car was parked on

715
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: the street of block Away. Apparently he fled police stops

716
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: about three or four times before crashing into a metal

717
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: electric pole no seatbelt. He was fleeing from police again.

718
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: In the stolen car, they found meth and a gun inside.

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00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, rightly, this was the That's probably why

720
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: did it put the update in there. That's crazy. I

721
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: told you I was gonna get dark.

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00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: I thought this was just credit card death.

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00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: See, this is why, this is why we pursue, This

724
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: is why we read. This is why we don't want

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00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: the passive police. We want the police that are gonna

726
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: arrest this dude.

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00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: Did you know you can make like mass with the

728
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: materials in Walmart?

729
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Have you tried? And a person in my life told

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00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: me about this and they did it.

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Speaker 2: That's what he was doing.

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: I don't think he did it, but he's yeah, yeah,

733
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: you could make all sorts of drugs.

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Speaker 3: That's probably why he had so many, so much talment Walmart.

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00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

736
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 3: Theory theory.

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00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: I got a call from a lawyer because I was

738
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Speaker 1: the one of because I was one of the ones

739
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: who reported the credit card fraud. We talked for maybe

740
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: about ten minutes about what happened to me, and he

741
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: filled me in about what has happened. Since there are

742
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: now two lossos, there are now two lawsuits going through

743
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: the work. Supposedly. One is from the family of the

744
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: woman he probably murdered. They're saying basically the police failed

745
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: to apprehend him before she got killed, which is true,

746
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: they did.

747
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: He was running red lights or whatever.

748
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was he was evading. Oh yeah, it was

749
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: evading police. Yeah. How is there a no pursuit thing?

750
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: It's probably he just kept getting away with everything that

751
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: lists all the police departments in cities involved. The other

752
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: is from his family going after the sheriff's department and

753
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: county which chased him and led to the crash. I

754
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 1: doubt I have to testify, as the lawyer was mainly

755
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: concerned about the specific events leading to me knowing it

756
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: was my old boss who stole my identity? That's me,

757
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: Like everyone is just going for the settlement money. Just

758
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: figured I let everyone know what happened the l DR.

759
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: He won't be stealing anyone else's identity anymore.

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00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: Unless he just called the credit card company and told

761
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: them he was dead.

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00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe this is all use. Yeah, he faked his

763
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: faked his death so he wouldn't have to pay the

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00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: credit card stuff. Pretty smart, if you guys, that.

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Speaker 2: Would be pretty smart. That's wild. That was a wild

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Speaker 2: Then I thought they were going to we don't even

767
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: know if like there was a lawsuit, but we don't

768
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Speaker 2: even we don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: But no, we don't have that update. We stopped right there. Wow, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not mad with where we stopped. Like well,

771
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: I mean, like not great, but okay, California restricts pursuits

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00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: to cases involving serious offenses. What is a serious offense murder? Really?

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00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: Why?

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00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, anyone that's harming anyone.

775
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: But if I'm like stealing stuff, they probably would. Yeah,

776
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: they won't pursue me if I'm stealing stuff.

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00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: Let's get a call a cop right now, not one one, So.

778
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: Don't call me.

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00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: One of Christian's friends was speeding and then like basically

780
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: evaded this like cop on a motorcycle in a high

781
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: speed pursuit and then got the helicopter called on him

782
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: and he got away, but then the helicopter was tracking

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00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: him all the way to his house, and then like

784
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: the police came to his house. What he got He

785
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: was on probation when we met him.

786
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: God, wait, how did the how the helicopter do that.

787
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: Track from up like high so that even if they

788
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: get away from the the ground police like the helicopters

789
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: still like following you and seeing where you are.

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00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: Wow, I would lay low for a while.

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00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: Did he never play g t A Yeah, dude, you

792
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: gotta go to a parking structure. That's the way to

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00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: do it, Sophia, right.

794
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: Smart, I don't know if I should I'll tap it alright.

795
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if we should be condoning this.

796
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm not condoning it. I'm just saying it's a good

797
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: we're telling people how if you're ever trying to get

798
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: out of eyes.

799
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: Don't steal people's credit card structure. The police just.

800
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: Don't get caught.

801
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: You know what else is interesting?

802
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: This next story