WEBVTT - How Much Worse Can It Get

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Garbutschof teared down this wall. Or either you're with

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<v Speaker 1>us or you were with the terrorists. If you've got healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>all of it, then you can keep your plan. If

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<v Speaker 1>you are satisfied with Trump is not president of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, take it to a bank. Together, we will

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<v Speaker 1>make America great again. It's what you've been waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>all day. The buck Sexton Show joined the conversation called

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<v Speaker 1>buck toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>That's eight four four nine hundred two eight to five

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<v Speaker 1>the Future of talk radio, buck Sexton. If your comments

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<v Speaker 1>this week and those of our president have been pathetically weak, Danilosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to know that we will support your

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<v Speaker 1>two children in the way that we will not you

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<v Speaker 1>will not n Alright, Please just keep the money out

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<v Speaker 1>of Rubio, okay, if he wants to run again. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I supposed to have a kevlar vest? Am I supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to strap it to my leg or put it in

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<v Speaker 1>my desk? You just told this group of people that

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<v Speaker 1>you are standing up for them. You're not standing up

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<v Speaker 1>for them until so I don't left. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank Dana Lash of the n r A and also

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Scott Israel for being here to listen to your questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we come back? Welcome to the buck Sex

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<v Speaker 1>and show everybody. It was a debacle last night, As

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it would be. The CNN forum on gun control.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Marker Rubio showed up. I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>he thought he was accomplishing. He was there, and n

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<v Speaker 1>RA a spokesperson Dana lash my former colleague at the

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<v Speaker 1>Blaze um and uh. I think very highly of Dana

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<v Speaker 1>and she did a uh an excellent job, particularly under

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstance this last night, trying to just give the facts,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, make the case, yes, but also just keep

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<v Speaker 1>the discussion based in reality. And you saw so much

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<v Speaker 1>last night, didn't you. If you, if you didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to watch it, you'll know enough for me

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it. Really, I can't advocate you spend an

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<v Speaker 1>hour of your time. It was. It was a gun

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<v Speaker 1>control show trial. It was. It was the worst kind

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<v Speaker 1>of media political theater. People assembled were rude, they were nasty,

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<v Speaker 1>they were jeering. They even at one point called Dana

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<v Speaker 1>a murderer. Let me answer the question. Let me answer

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<v Speaker 1>the question. You can shout me down when I'm finished,

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<v Speaker 1>but let me answer m this question. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>federal law for state. And if you heard it there

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<v Speaker 1>in the backgro someone and shouting out, you're a murderer.

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<v Speaker 1>How is how is the spokesperson for a group that

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<v Speaker 1>represents five million execut Amendment supporters a murderer? It's It's

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<v Speaker 1>defies logic and sense and reason. It's just it's a slander.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a slender. And yet if you watch what happened

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<v Speaker 1>last night, you see that it was really instructive. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it is something that was important for us to see

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<v Speaker 1>because the way this goes is pretty straightforward. Um that

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<v Speaker 1>they will they say they don't want to band guns. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a tragedy. They say they don't want to band guns.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they say, come on, let's let's this is

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<v Speaker 1>a tragedy. It's so sad. We want to defend the children.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be reasonable. Let's be reasonable. Okay, let's talk. And

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<v Speaker 1>then that gets to talking, and it gets to the well,

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<v Speaker 1>what works and what doesn't and what are we willing

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<v Speaker 1>to what tradeoffs are we willing to make with regard

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<v Speaker 1>to liberty and rights for possible security? And it quickly

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<v Speaker 1>goes from be reasonable. Let's talk to Actually, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to band guns, and you better agree with us or

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<v Speaker 1>else here for child murder. It happens every time. It

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<v Speaker 1>happens every times, right out of the playbook. Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>just we we we just want solutions. We want solutions. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that won't let's talk solutions that won't solve it. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're in favor of child murder. It's despicable. It's despicable.

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<v Speaker 1>The only difference this time around is that the media

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<v Speaker 1>has students, both from the high school that suffered the

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<v Speaker 1>terrible tragedy, but also students just more broadly, a student

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<v Speaker 1>movement to be the vanguard of all of this, the

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<v Speaker 1>student movement that gives them some degree of protection from criticism.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the whole reason the mainstream media goes out there

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<v Speaker 1>are victims, That's the whole reason they put them forward,

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<v Speaker 1>because they want to advance policy ideas with the shield

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<v Speaker 1>of victimhood in front of them. So you're not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to say, well, that's a bad idea, because then you're

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<v Speaker 1>a bad person. And we saw this last night the

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<v Speaker 1>mask dropped over at CNN. Although no one thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>CNN is anything other than an an anti gun political

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<v Speaker 1>action committee for all intents and purposes. Um. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a few other things I wanted to know here, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of them is that what we are seeing is

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<v Speaker 1>the truth of the anti gun movement. What you saw

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<v Speaker 1>last night in this CNN fiasco, UM, is that this

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<v Speaker 1>is really a vicious and emotional topic because the left

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<v Speaker 1>progressives have a disdain for the kind of people who

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<v Speaker 1>own guns. This is cultural tribalism masquerading as urgent social policy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is we we have to do this now. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to do this now to save the children. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that won't save the children. You don't care about children,

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<v Speaker 1>You evil, monstrous hillbilly who likes guns. That's the way

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<v Speaker 1>the exchange goes. What happens each time we revisit this issue.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the differences now, as I said, is

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a student movement that is being pushed

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<v Speaker 1>forward by the meeting at the forefront of US. They're

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<v Speaker 1>raising money, they are politically active. They're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>major march along the lines of the Women's March in

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<v Speaker 1>d C. They want to have a march I think

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<v Speaker 1>in the month of March, and they've named their movement.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't talked about that yet um. But they have

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<v Speaker 1>a name for the movement, never again. We are told

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a New Yorker piece that said that they

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<v Speaker 1>call it never again because one of the students who

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<v Speaker 1>was at the school just came up with that on

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<v Speaker 1>his own. Possibly, it's also not an accident that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the term that is being used. You'll notice You'll

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<v Speaker 1>notice that with the two major named political movements of

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<v Speaker 1>the anti Trump or the well the Trump administration, with

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<v Speaker 1>the anti Trump era, one is the resistance or hashtag resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>which is clearly supposed to link the efforts of the

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<v Speaker 1>anti Trump left with the anti fascist efforts of the

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<v Speaker 1>French underground during the Nazi occupation of France. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>they call it the resistance or a lot of resistance

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, the resistance. That's why they chose the term.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why hashtag resistance is the way that they brand themselves. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Never again is also not accidental. Never again generally has

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<v Speaker 1>for most people, evokes the promise of never again after

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<v Speaker 1>the Holocaust. In fact, never again, as a term which

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<v Speaker 1>is generally associated with the Holocaust, first appeared or was

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<v Speaker 1>first noted by the historian Raoul Hilberg, who said that

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<v Speaker 1>after the bucin Vould concentration camp was liberated in April

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<v Speaker 1>of n by US forces, one should note that there

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<v Speaker 1>were handmade signs that the inmates there upon their release,

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<v Speaker 1>created and put up never again, never again. That was

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<v Speaker 1>at buck involved, and that was after the Nazi exteriment

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<v Speaker 1>after the Second World War, which killed fifty million or

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<v Speaker 1>so and eleven million exterminated in the death the death camps,

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<v Speaker 1>six million of them Jews. So never again has a

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<v Speaker 1>very powerful connotation. It's very powerful slogan, very powerful phrase

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<v Speaker 1>with a deep, deep history attached to it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is why that it's been chosen now for this movement

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in time. I will leave it to

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<v Speaker 1>you to decide whether this is uh, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>calls to ban semiomatic rifles, or or whether the the

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<v Speaker 1>n r A, which is supposed to be the enemy

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<v Speaker 1>in this is somehow in any way, there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a parallel the Nazi Germany here. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me like that's this could be taken for um, this

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<v Speaker 1>could be politicized in ways that are just damaging to

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<v Speaker 1>any conversation, and that may in fact be the point right,

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<v Speaker 1>any moral, decent person is immediately repulsed by and feels

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<v Speaker 1>revulsion um when just thinking about the Holocaust. And in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, yes, any decent, moral person is repulsed by

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<v Speaker 1>a mass shooting at a school. But the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the term will be applied is that this is the

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<v Speaker 1>movement of never again with the moral authority of those

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<v Speaker 1>who opposed the Holocaust. In this case, they're opposing school shootings.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the n r A or anyone else stands

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<v Speaker 1>against them, you see, then they're opposed to never again.

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<v Speaker 1>If the n r A doesn't do what they say,

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<v Speaker 1>then they're opposed to never again, which, as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>evokes memories of and the thoughts of the Holocaust. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is why it has been chosen. Um. Given that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about gun control right now, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important that we understand the terminology that everyone is using,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's important that we understand the facts.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, we have seen what they really want here.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night there was cheering. There was cheering even when

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<v Speaker 1>Marco Rubio mentioned the possibility of or what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>if you try to ban the air fifteen as you

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<v Speaker 1>would ban semi automatic rifles across the board, cheering. They

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<v Speaker 1>want that's what they really want to do. Oh, they

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<v Speaker 1>cheer for that. There was booing when Danta last tried

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<v Speaker 1>to be respectful and answer each one of their questions.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, It's it's not that the Second Amendment side

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<v Speaker 1>of this debate is unwilling to meet them on the

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<v Speaker 1>battle field of ideas, so to speak. It's not that

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<v Speaker 1>the Second Amendment side shirks away from any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite the contrary. It's that we are faced within emotional

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<v Speaker 1>movement that does not really particularly care all that much

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<v Speaker 1>about what the facts are of the pole sees that

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<v Speaker 1>they promote and the things they want. They just know

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<v Speaker 1>it feels right. It must be right because hashtag never again.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Williamson over at National Review wrote the following I

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<v Speaker 1>thought this really got to the heart of this point

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<v Speaker 1>today quote. Our progressive friends enjoy boasting of their purportedly

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<v Speaker 1>evidence based approach to social problems, but when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to firearms, it is pure culture camp for cultural culture fight. Firearms,

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<v Speaker 1>in their view, are an atavistic enthusiasm for rural primitives

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<v Speaker 1>and right wing militia nuts, a hobby that must be

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<v Speaker 1>tolerated if only barely because of some vestigial eighteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>political compromise. That's really how the left us gun control.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really how the left use the Second Amendment. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been saying it to you for quite some time here,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that scene informed last night. We saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>We had adults being snied and dismissive and and hateful

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<v Speaker 1>toward individuals who literally are there to have a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with them about this. I will also note that when

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<v Speaker 1>you compare the listening session that President Trump had at

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<v Speaker 1>the White House with that CNN forum last night, As

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<v Speaker 1>I've been telling you, one side of this issue at

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<v Speaker 1>least wants to discuss it and be serious about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The other wants to make it into a food fight,

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<v Speaker 1>wants to turn this into some kind of royal rumble

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone gets to just beat up on the big

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<v Speaker 1>bad and r A. We will talk a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about where the policy stands. The Trump administration is saying

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff is gonna happen, and there's more they've added today.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's something they just talked about right before

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<v Speaker 1>we came on air. I'm seeing here, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be we just move on and forget about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're heading for some changes here. We should

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what those maybe and what it will mean

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<v Speaker 1>if they are in fact enacted. UM, that's all coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>so stay with me. I have an appalling update for

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<v Speaker 1>all of you. UM, I have I have breaking news here.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally just hit just hit the Washington Post as we

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<v Speaker 1>are on air, and I was just talking to guys

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<v Speaker 1>about this in here, and we are just jaws on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. You have got to be kidding me. The

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<v Speaker 1>armed sheriff's deputy who was on the grounds of the

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<v Speaker 1>Marjorie Douglas High School shooting went and occurred, took up

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<v Speaker 1>a position outside the school, and never when inside. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to be kidding me. The armed sheriff's deputy new

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<v Speaker 1>dozens and dozens of rounds fired, one after another, reload reload, minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>passing defensive position, armed, never went inside the building. OK.

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<v Speaker 1>Cowardice isn't just on the battlefields, my friends. Sometimes cowardice

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<v Speaker 1>can happen here at home to right. Sometimes people just

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<v Speaker 1>don't have it in him. I don't know what to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to say. Uh as is just

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<v Speaker 1>how much worse can it get? From the law enforcement experience.

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<v Speaker 1>How much worse is it gonna get. Look, I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>got career law enforcement in my family, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I spent did a toward the n y P. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm not trying to beat up on law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>in general here, but in this case, in this instance,

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<v Speaker 1>FBI doesn't follow up on the tip. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>apologize today local law enforcement. That sheriff last night at

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<v Speaker 1>the CNN for him pouncing on the n r A

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<v Speaker 1>all over Dana Lash. She's a politician. He was calling

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<v Speaker 1>for gun control right away. Didn't have any answers for

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<v Speaker 1>the dozens of calls that were made to police. They

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<v Speaker 1>showed up. And now we find out that the armed

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<v Speaker 1>resource officer at the Marjorie Douglas High School took a

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<v Speaker 1>quote defensive position outside and never went inside the frigging

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<v Speaker 1>building while kids were getting massacred inside. And he had

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<v Speaker 1>to know, bang bang bang, he's outside, Okay, adrenaline, bang bang,

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<v Speaker 1>he's outside, Okay, they're kids inside. People are dying, people

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<v Speaker 1>losing their lives, people are bleeding out. Maybe freezes for

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<v Speaker 1>ten seconds, maybe freeze or fifteen. That's ten or fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot longer than any of us any of us

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<v Speaker 1>would want. But look, we're all human, right. Three minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Three minutes never went inside the building. I didn't think, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got this gun for a reason. I didn't think, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>there are going to be dozens of kids who never

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<v Speaker 1>see their parents again unless I actually go and take action.

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<v Speaker 1>They were holding this by the way, they had to be.

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<v Speaker 1>They were holding this information. They had to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>the narratives were in place, and to wait until a

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<v Speaker 1>few days week and past. Because my god, what are

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<v Speaker 1>we to make of this? FBI apologizing for a massive

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<v Speaker 1>foul up. Local law enforcement looking in this case, inept,

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of doing anything, couldn't have had more tips, more

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<v Speaker 1>red flags about the shooter, and then during the actual shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>During the actual shooting, this this guy never went inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Israel suspended school resource deputy Scott Peterson on Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>after seeing a video from the park Land, Florida school

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<v Speaker 1>that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter

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<v Speaker 1>was inside and attacking. Quote. What I saw was a

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<v Speaker 1>deputy arrived at the west side of Building twelve, take

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<v Speaker 1>up a position and never went in. Sheriff is Reel said,

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<v Speaker 1>Folks not that the deputy went in late. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that the deputy froze for a moment, never went inside

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<v Speaker 1>the building. By the way, it might also be why

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<v Speaker 1>the shooter, cruise was found a mile from the school,

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<v Speaker 1>was able to walk away, almost got away. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>to talk more about this. Stay with me. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>just dealing with the breaking news here that happened while

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<v Speaker 1>we're on air that the armed deputy at the school

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<v Speaker 1>did nothing while the slaughter happened inside. Marjorie Douglas hi

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<v Speaker 1>waited outside, just didn't didn't do anything, and they saw

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<v Speaker 1>it on video and they have it on video. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>You know one thing that we've seen here in this

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<v Speaker 1>whole terrible situation is that this has been this shooting

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida has shown it. It's it's massive failure of

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<v Speaker 1>the state police and FBI in this case. And this

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<v Speaker 1>armed resources officer I guess, deputized by the Sheriff's department,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet the response from so many people is to

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<v Speaker 1>just increase the role of the state at the expense

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<v Speaker 1>of the individual. This is where you see that big

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<v Speaker 1>philosophical difference. This is failure at so many levels. I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you, I'm just I'm shocked. I assumed that

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<v Speaker 1>the armed resource officer, big school, big campus was uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just assumed was in another building, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even hear the first few gunshots. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>he got there, it was all over and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a blood bath. And you know, it's just terrible timing.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think was there now was there thirty seconds

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<v Speaker 1>into the three minutes of killing? Was there? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>But from the video and from the description of it,

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He took a defensive position while the shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>while the gunfire was still going on inside the building,

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<v Speaker 1>and we lost seventeen young men and women that day.

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<v Speaker 1>We could have lost a hundred. Right, You're the one

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<v Speaker 1>person there, you know. I know it's it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>easier to profess how brave one would be under the

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances than to actually be that person. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>not this is not a close call. You are there,

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<v Speaker 1>one hope, there one possible good guy with a gun

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene, and you're you're not even gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>in the building. It's also complicates the discussion. I know

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna say it shouldn't this is just the

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<v Speaker 1>actions of one person. But it seems that the most

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<v Speaker 1>favored policy outcome from the White House and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans, or at least from the White House, is

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<v Speaker 1>to armed teachers and or armed individuals within the schools right,

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<v Speaker 1>give people the proper training. And this was somebody with

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<v Speaker 1>the training and the mandate to protect students on the campus.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only did it not protect them, did nothing, did nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can I already see it. I see it on

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<v Speaker 1>CNN right now. They are they're already running Trump's comments

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<v Speaker 1>about how attacks would end if you armed trained teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is now. This is incredible the way

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<v Speaker 1>the media does this. And it's really happening in real

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<v Speaker 1>time right now, because the story just broke front page

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<v Speaker 1>of the Washkin Post while I was on air with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It just happened out. No, no one, not on the

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<v Speaker 1>other shows have known about this today because it wasn't released,

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't yet out of the news. What you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>is the cowardice of this one individual or who's fired

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<v Speaker 1>from his or resigned I should say suspended, and then

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 1>he resigned so as not to be fired. So law

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not like law enforcements circling this guy, circling

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<v Speaker 1>around this guy and saying you know, hey, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this followed protocol toughs into that. They they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone. That is being used as a way of

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<v Speaker 1>undermining the White House's position on training people and arming them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what this turns into right away. This one guy

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<v Speaker 1>did not do and look at gonna haunt in the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of his life. And obviously we all know this.

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<v Speaker 1>So but this one individual refused to answer the call

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<v Speaker 1>and it was his obligation to do so. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>now it's already turning into a the media pivot is

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<v Speaker 1>because he did nothing, no one else in a similar

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<v Speaker 1>circumstance would do something. Therefore, the White House's position on

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<v Speaker 1>this is foolish. The White Houses moved to push for

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<v Speaker 1>greater teaching of firearms instruction and tactics to people in schools,

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<v Speaker 1>concealed carry, more armed resource officer, all all those things.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't yet gotten down in the specifics of how

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<v Speaker 1>it would be rolled out. But it's being used to

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<v Speaker 1>undermine that. Well, I look at that. Oh, a sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>Israel who was at that last night, was at the

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<v Speaker 1>forum with Dana ash and Marco Rubio. Uh, he knew

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<v Speaker 1>about this. They were keeping this one. They were keeping

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<v Speaker 1>this one quiet. They had to wait for the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to wait for things to get in place

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<v Speaker 1>before anyone knew about this. It's it's pretty remarkable actually

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about it, that we had heard so

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<v Speaker 1>little about the school resources officer. We hadn't really heard

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<v Speaker 1>ruiser might did we know? We just knew there was

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<v Speaker 1>one on campus, right, There was nothing beyond that, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no nothing. And this has been the biggest news

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<v Speaker 1>story in the country now for a week. And somehow

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<v Speaker 1>this was kept entirely under wraps u something. Something doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>wash for me with all that in terms of just

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<v Speaker 1>how this wasn't known or didn't no one. No one

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<v Speaker 1>in the media knew this until today. Let's find that

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>hard to believe. No one was asking questions and getting

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<v Speaker 1>a weird feeling when the sheriff wasn't given the answers

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<v Speaker 1>about where was your armed resources deputy? Hmm? What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think about this? Is this going to change? Does

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<v Speaker 1>it change at all your sense of whether arming teachers

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<v Speaker 1>or arming faculty school personnel, either in a concealed carry

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<v Speaker 1>capacity or you know, in an open carry official armed

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<v Speaker 1>officer capacity. Do you think that that's still the way

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Does it change? You're thinking at all about

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<v Speaker 1>any of this? You think it's going to change? The

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<v Speaker 1>White House is thinking. I'm this was quite an addition

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<v Speaker 1>into the discussion here. I obviously didn't know we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about this at all. Eight four four to five,

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<v Speaker 1>eight four nine hundred buck team. I want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from you on this, so let me know and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back. Start looking at how easy it is

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<v Speaker 1>to get around it. You would literally have a band

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<v Speaker 1>every semi automatic rifle. Fair enough, I sing out of

0:26:56.200 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>thousands of people cheering ban every semi automatic rifle and

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<v Speaker 1>r A took a lot of heat last night at

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<v Speaker 1>that CNN for him. Marco Rubio took a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>heat last night and Dana last two although didn't didn't

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>bother Dana one bit, although she did say that somebody

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>yelled out burn her, which is horrific. You know, Dana

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<v Speaker 1>is a person, is a nice person. It's a wife, mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone's yelling burning her. I don't care what the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>there thinks that their movement is all about and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you don't yell burn her at a stranger. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't yell murderer to somebody who's literally done nothing. I

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<v Speaker 1>figured this wouldn't happen, and we've got every single line.

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<v Speaker 1>Lets let's get into this. Um Uh, David and Mississippi

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Freedom of David. What do you think, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I think uh, I think the timing just sucks. Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this guy was on cn and My night

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how we should ban you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>a R fifteens. I think this just says that he's

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<v Speaker 1>a coward. Because clearly his deputy was a coward. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a school full of brave teachers and coaches who

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>took bullets. They were brave. He was the coward. And

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<v Speaker 1>I would say this that the sheriff is a coward too.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know clearly, you know, if his deputy is

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<v Speaker 1>a coward, he must have learned from the sheriff. How

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<v Speaker 1>could that? I mean, just if if you haven't seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you go back that as sheriff is reel.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh was so smug last night on stage, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>just lecturing the n r A, lecturing America, and his

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<v Speaker 1>department fell down on the job so in so many ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we find this out and he knew he

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<v Speaker 1>was lecturing the country, and he was talking about gun

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<v Speaker 1>control and acting like he's Mr. I was in law

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>enforcement thirty years. I know what to do here. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know how to train his deputy apparently. Yeah, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for calling in, and I appreciate it. Uh. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>in Danbury, Connecticut, Hey Mike, Yeah, okay, and listen, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is smelling more Las Vegas. On my unknown

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<v Speaker 1>questions if the character was outside, there were two people

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<v Speaker 1>I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that were killed

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<v Speaker 1>outside the school. Whether they were students or what, I

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>don't remember. Yeah, some people were killed outside. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The day of the tragedy, the sheriff said that the

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<v Speaker 1>guy was out round of the golf cart someplace else.

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<v Speaker 1>He was far from the school. He wasn't near the school.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that, he said. He really he misled

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<v Speaker 1>the public on the on the I'd have to check

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<v Speaker 1>on that, but if that's true, that's particularly egregious. Yeah,

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I I'd have to have to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and second that too. But I remember clearly the watching

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<v Speaker 1>him in the live news conference that day saying that

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, this guard was was off someplace, off

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<v Speaker 1>on his cart and the The other thing is if

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is on video outside that school and there's

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>two bodies out there, did he call headquarters or did

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<v Speaker 1>somebody from inside the school called nine one? One good question?

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<v Speaker 1>You know. That's all I can tell you is that

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<v Speaker 1>right now, the headline the Washington the headline you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>splashed all over the media is did quote nothing, which

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to me sounds like maybe he just crouched down outside

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<v Speaker 1>the building. And you know, I'm assuming he pulled his

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<v Speaker 1>weapon but didn't do anything. Yeah, you know, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>now there's more questions all of a sudden, what the

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>hell's going on here? And the media is going to

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<v Speaker 1>stay on with the kids who are are rightfully grieving

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else and all this other stuff. But let's

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>come back to some basic tactical questions here. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>are the police and those people really prepared in case

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<v Speaker 1>there's something happening in the school? You know, did somebody

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<v Speaker 1>profile this, this policeman, this guard outs I had to

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<v Speaker 1>see if in fact he would do something. People gave

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<v Speaker 1>me a lot of people gave me a rough time,

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<v Speaker 1>including friends of mine from the law enforcing community when

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I talked about this. But you know, the Pulse nightclub shooting.

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>They had they had officers, multiple officers with long guns

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>on the scene within minutes. And originally there was this

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>story about how you know there was a bomb inside,

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>but that actually wasn't true. They didn't think there was

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a bomb till later and the shooting was still ongoing.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>With what it was was effectively, uh, you know officers.

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I think there were five or six of them with

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>with a RS and body armor on the scene and

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>they waited outside. I said, look, I wasn't there, and

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>if that's protocol, then we need to discuss this. But

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>it seemed to me like if people are bleeding out

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>and they're still active shooting going on, you can't just

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>set up a perimeter and say, you know, we're gonna

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>see how we're gonna see what happens when backup gets here. Um.

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:52.959
<v Speaker 1>But you know, people got mad at me with that,

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>But I had I had other law enforcement. I had

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>had people who were in decades and squad who are like, no,

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>they should have gone in. So you know, with this case,

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>it's just one guy and it's all writing on him

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and his you know, oh gosh, I don't know his

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>his cowardice here they have cost lives. I don't know

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>how else to say it. And that's why the President

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>when he said, you know, special training, that's what he's

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about. You know, you profile and say, okay, is

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>this person qualified technically and is he prepared psychologically? Military

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>people obviously are, and but this guard was the ending

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>that time, and then if he hit behind the bushes

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>and all this going on, it really says that the

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>department itself was not prepared. Jeff Israel is great at

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>calling for gun control. Mike, thanks for calling it from Connecticut. Man,

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. Jerry in Greensboro, North Carolina. Hey, Jerry,

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Hey man, I appreciate you taking a call. Thank you. Yeah,

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to say, you know, I'm in law

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>enforce myself, and I know it's just it really, uh

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>turns my gut to think that somebody would have not

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>went in when they carry the bat as and and

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>try to take care of the situation. You know, they

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>trained us that, you know, when something like this happens,

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't wait for us. You go in and you

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>deal with what's going on. And uh, I just was

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking that, you know, and not talking trash

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>about anybody but sometimes some of these school resource officers

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that are put into place, they're put there for a

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>reason and they're not out on the street every day.

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I hate to say it like that,

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 1>but and Jerry, look, they're not you know, they're not

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>you know officers in in cities that have a you know,

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>a real I mean, look, I I had a family

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I had a family member who was lap D and

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a family member who worked, uh, you know for well.

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I won't get into all of it, but there's a

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>real spree to corps that's a part of some of

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, the major law enforce and organizations across the country.

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>There's a real spree to corps at a well run

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>sheriff's department, a well run local p D, and you

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>know some guy who's kind of out there by himself.

0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know how this works, but yea, at

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>some level, you know, if somebody's amall cop, you're not

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:06.959
<v Speaker 1>gonna expect them to be able to leap into action

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>like a guy who's been doing squad for a decade, right,

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>And that's yeah. And they told us in patrol school, Hey,

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>there's those that are meant to call the police, and

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>those that are meant to be the police, and some

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>people just they just don't have it in them, you know.

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And we got to be able to weed those folks

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>out and say, hey, you just if you're not gonna

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>make it, then we can't put you in a school

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to protect our children. Yeah. Well, because obviously, as you

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 1>well know as a law enforcement officer yourself, Jerry, in

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>this case, you've got a guy here who the the

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>assumption and the obligation is he is the armed person

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>on campus for this very unlikely eventuality. But it did happen, right,

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and he has to be the guy, and

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>that he didn't go in. It's just it just adds

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>so much. There's just been so much in competence and

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and just failure, failure after failure of authorities leading up

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to this. But Jerry, hey, thank you for what you do. Man.

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, thank you for your perspective, and just man,

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a gut punch, I really. I mean, the guys

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 1>were with me when I read that. I just couldn't

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>believe it. You gotta add that into the mix here too.

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:21.919
<v Speaker 1>That didn't stop it. FBI didn't follow up on the tip.

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>FBI couldn't figure out you know in true name? You know,

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the FBI can find Russians who are operating

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>out of an office building in St. Petersburg, who are

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>setting up fake social media accounts and get us all

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>that info, but didn't want to track down the I'm

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a professional school shooter in true name, which

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.399
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, if they had looked up the name

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and looked at all these other pieces would have been

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>quite clear they had a real problem on their hands.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 1>Richard in a Gulfport, Mississippi hair Richard, thank you for

0:35:56.400 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>taking my call. Thank you. I would like to point

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>out that all of this from the FBI is so

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>called incompetence, all the way down to the sheriff's department

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>after they've been called of the guy's house. What was

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>at thirty nine times? The FBI keeps records on who

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>buys guns, so they knew about the A R fifteen.

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Nobody seemed to do anything, Nobody seemed to pay any attention,

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>and I firmly believe they knew all about this guy. Now,

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I will point out that as soon as the shooting

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>was over, the scripts were written. The people that were

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>going to do the talking. We're already ready to go.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>The buses were rented, new buses, the whole plan of

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>action was laid out, and it was like in twenty

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>four hours, which leads me to believe this was nothing

0:36:56.400 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but a set up to try to take in the way,

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to try to do away with a second Amendment. Richard, I,

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I it's I gotta disagree with you. I don't think

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>there's not a conspiracy here in front of the event.

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that afterwards there's a lot that's going on

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>here that we've been talking about. But I don't think

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that this was I don't think that this was orchestrated.

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I gotta leave I gotta leave it there for now.

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 1>It's going to hard break, but I I have to

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I have to strongly disagree on that point. But I

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 1>appreciate perspectives here on the show, even when I think

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>they're wrong. Um, we are going to roll in a break.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk more about this and also get into some

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Russia collusion and whatnot, and then we'll talk immigration third hour.

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>So stick around. The n r A is ready to

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 1>do things, and you know, people like to blame them,

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and they do have power and all of that, but

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>they want to do that. They want to They actually

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>came up with, uh certain of the rules and regulations

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that we have now, but we're gonna have to tough

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>And I told them, I said, we're gonna have to

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>toughen them up because it doesn't make anybody look good.

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>And most importantly, I saw the devastation of these families.

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 1>We can't allow that to happen. General John Kelly, so

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>he's a four star Marine, he's a tough cookie. So

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>if he's a teacher, and of other friends of his

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 1>from the marine, if they're teaching or other people like that,

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I want them to have a gun. But more importantly,

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>nobody's going to attack that school because they know General

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Kelly is the history teacher. He's teaching about how we

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 1>win wars, okay, and he's got a concealed weapon. But

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna know he's got to concer because we tell

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>them that the bullets are gonna be flying in the

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>other direction. You're not gonna have these attacks if you

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>do that. Welcome to our two of the buck Sexton Shoe. Everyone,

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>So we are dealing with the new information breaking news

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>from the last hour that the Sheriff's deputy at the

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Marjorie Douglas scho Woll did nothing during the shooting. There

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you at President Trump earlier the day talking about what

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>has become the primary response policy response preferred by this

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>White House to the school shooting, which would be to

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>armed teachers. And now already I'm sitting here on CNN

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of the bottom third of the screen,

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Trump calls for arming some teachers. Sheriff reveals an armed

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 1>deputy at school did nothing during shooting. See in real time,

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>they are turning this new information into a critique of

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 1>the administration's policy. Sheriff Israel knew last night at the

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 1>CNN forum that his deputy did nothing, and he was

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>just full of all kinds of gun grabbing, antisecond amment

0:39:55.160 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>ideas to deal with this very very grandstanding Jariff Israel

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:06.319
<v Speaker 1>last night and now here we are looking at this

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>new information. This is what the left is gonna do.

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna say, forget about army teachers, it means and

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>what they teachers faculty, anyone can still carry armed resource officers.

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>They're going to say that this incident shows because this

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>one deputy didn't do anything, that's not a that's not

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>an action that can be taken to try to make

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>our schools safer. Now, a lot of you would say, well,

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 1>just because somebody doesn't do the job doesn't mean somebody

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>else wouldn't do the job. And we shouldn't base policy

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>on the actions of one incompetent coward. Right, That's not

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the way we should view But that's the way this

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>is going to go politically. This is how the conversation

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>will go. You're already hearing a lot of a lot

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>of people just pushing down this idea, saying that putting

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 1>down this idea of saying that it was going nowhere.

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Here's a earlier in the day before we even knew

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>about the the deputy. Here's what a teacher at CNA

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>on CNN said about Trump's proposal. Diana, Diana, No, that's ridiculous.

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>That that's just ridiculous and have felt more safe. You

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.359
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have felt more safe if you had been armed.

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm just asking that's the president's propose. It

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 1>would have been more mayhem. It would have been more mayhem. No,

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the teachers got into this. To teacher, I'm in my

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:38.360
<v Speaker 1>twentieth year with Broward's schools guns that did not come

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 1>into my head when I went to study to be

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>a library media specialist. That's just ridiculous. Come on, we

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>we have we have a sergeant there at our school.

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 1>It didn't stopped the shooter. He was there, he was

0:41:54.640 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 1>not afraid that we had someone that was armed. Come on, No, No,

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Now that that teacher looks she's titled her opinion, I

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>understand and respect that. That's fine. No one is saying

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>that every teacher has to be armed. No one saying

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>that teachers that don't want to be armed should be armed.

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:16.840
<v Speaker 1>The issue here would be should there at least be

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>an option for schools to have concealed Remember, schools are

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>gunn free zones. So unless you are deputized, unless you

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>are a resources officer for the Sheriff's department or the

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>local PD or whatever, you can't just be a person,

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 1>a private citizen who works or for that man. Ever.

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Talking about colleges for example, you know you could be

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a student, uh who works there and wants to carry

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>to be safer. But they're making seem like, oh, they're

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>just gonna force everyone to be walking around. You know,

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have librarians carrying m fors with EO TEX sites.

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>It's just a matter of time. Like, no one's saying that,

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 1>but the implication is that this is what we're gonna

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>turn all of the Yeah, ethel the lunch lady is

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.359
<v Speaker 1>going to turn into dirty Harry or something here. I mean,

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that's not that's not what the policy is supposed to be.

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 1>So they don't need to ask somebody was literally saying

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>she studied librarian services or whatever. Though I'm sure there's

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 1>some librarians that enjoy their Second Amendment rights too, But

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, she's not the person that they're necessarily

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:28.760
<v Speaker 1>going to say you should be the concealed carry permit

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 1>holder on this campus in the event of I just

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I look, I don't do conspiracies here. You know that.

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I'd never like to be uh,

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 1>dismissive or or snappy or snippy with any of our

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.760
<v Speaker 1>snappy pardoner with snappy dresser, snippy with any of our callers.

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:47.919
<v Speaker 1>But I also have to keep it in the realm

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 1>of reality here. And if I think a conspiracy is

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>way too far off, I'll tell you, and I'll try

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>to do so to the anyone who forwards one as

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>respectfully as I can. That's said. Maybe I'm going off

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the rail us here right now, because I do not

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>believe that no one knew that the sheriff's deput that

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that this whole week past, and no one in the media,

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>no one in the policy circles knew that the sheriff's

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>deputy didn't do anything. Obviously a lot of it I

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 1>didn't know, a lot of us didn't know. And I

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 1>don't believe that this was this ironclad secret. And uh,

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 1>I just have I have a hard time with that.

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know what to make other other

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>than just to tell you that to me, it seems

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 1>it seems very uh, it seems very unlikely. You had

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>the Broward County school superintendent also talking about giving teachers

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>guns in his opposition to it. Some of the dialogue

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.959
<v Speaker 1>that I've heard recently is about army teachers. We don't

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 1>need to put guns at the hands of teachers. Do

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what we need? We need to arm our

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.879
<v Speaker 1>teachers with more money in their pocket. Let teacher comp

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 1>station benefits at working conditions be part of this national

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:07.399
<v Speaker 1>debate as well. I mean, you want to talk about

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>shameless here's the guy's basically, yeah, we need to keep

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>our kids safe from school shootings, which means more teacher

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>over time, because that will prevent shootings somehow. And that

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>was pretty breathtaking, wasn't it. We need to have a

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>talk about teacher compensation now, now is the time to

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 1>talk about paying teachers. No, No, that was not the

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 1>time to talking about raising teacher wages. I mean, this

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 1>has become very politicized in so many different ways, so

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>many different ways, and it's uh gross. You'd think that

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>we could all come together on this and see this

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of just doing what's best. I know,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 1>this is a phrase is that you hear and a

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of people roll their eyes, but you know, do

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 1>what's best for the children. That's what we would like

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>to do, like keep our kids safe. We all want

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the same thing. We all want school shootings, and we

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 1>all want children to be safe when they're in school,

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know, young adults and people on college campuses.

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Everyone to be safe. But you know, it doesn't help

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the victory. All the nastiness, the tribalism, the sense that

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.439
<v Speaker 1>the real enemy is the n r A. The real

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.280
<v Speaker 1>enemy are people who speak in favor of the Second Amendment.

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're saying that while there is a bigger

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 1>opening now for Second Amendment defenders and advocates than I

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>have seen in my adult lifetime. Uh, there's a bigger

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>opening now for some kind of compromise or action to

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>be taken, and yet you still have a tremendous amount

0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 1>of nastiness. In fact, Uh, Dana La, who was at

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the CNN form last night, said, I mentioned this before,

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to hear from her that. You know,

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>she she was worried about getting out of there safely.

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 1>You heard that town hall last night. They cheered the

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>confiscation of firearms and it was over five thousand people.

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I had to have a security detail to get out.

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have been able to exit that if I

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 1>did not have a private security detail. There were people

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.799
<v Speaker 1>rushing the stage and screaming burn her. And I came

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 1>there to talk solutions, and I still I am going

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to continue that conversation on solutions, as the NR has

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:36.319
<v Speaker 1>been doing for before I was alive. So we're talking solutions,

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>and yet people are saying burn her and calling her

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 1>a murderer and all kinds of just and by the way,

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not okay. It's not okay if you

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>were a student in that high school to call someone

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a murderer who did nothing wrong. It's not okay to

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>yell for violence at a public form and televised discussion

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like that. And it's just there's no excuse. It was

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 1>happening a lot who and then there's the booing and

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the hissing and the shouting and all the other stuff

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 1>that was going on there. It was interesting to see

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>that CNN doesn't even pretend I think it was what

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>was it a week or two ago? I told you

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I would have been last week and last week that

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I knew someone who was invited to speak at at

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:25.399
<v Speaker 1>another form after Newtown CNN, and they sat without telling

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the person he was supposed to be a second amate defender.

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>They sat him in uh literally surrounded by the parents

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 1>of those who had lost children at Newtown, and they

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>would ask him to stand up in that circumstance and

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:43.800
<v Speaker 1>be the guy who's defending the Second Amendment in the

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 1>n r A. Now, a lot of you would say, well,

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the argument is the argument. It doesn't matter if he's around. Yeah,

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I understand that, but clearly it was orchestrated to make

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:57.279
<v Speaker 1>him as uncomfortable as possible, to make the emotions of

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:02.279
<v Speaker 1>the moment as difficult as Paul civil. And that's just

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.359
<v Speaker 1>the way they do things over there. So why I

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>left and never looked back. Uh anyway, And I know

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of your thoughts on this to wait, do

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we have some of Uh, well, we'll we'll come back.

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.920
<v Speaker 1>We've got some updates from Sheriff Israel, whose deputy just

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:25.200
<v Speaker 1>waited outside while his terrible shooting was going on. Um,

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I you know, I would offer to you that not

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>only do what I expect that anyone who has charged

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 1>with as their you know, as part of their job,

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>their obligation, they would go in and try to help

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and try to save children and yeah, and take a

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:50.319
<v Speaker 1>risk that there would be a risk. But I think

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 1>any if you walk down the street and you had

0:49:56.360 --> 0:50:00.879
<v Speaker 1>a vast majority of able bodied a Americans, if you said,

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a side arm,

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.759
<v Speaker 1>and you're in that situation and you know there's a

0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 1>school and his kids and there's gunfire, I just think

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:10.880
<v Speaker 1>a vast majority of people would would say, you know,

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:16.319
<v Speaker 1>got gotta do something. I gotta do something, oh man,

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>rough stuff. Eight four to five, eight four nine buck.

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>We'll we'll have that statement from Sheriff Israel, who's been

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 1>very chatty, very chatty about gun control. Let's see what

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>it is to say about what happened that day. Now

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that we have more information, we'll be back with that

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>more Stay with me. We're not going to disclose the

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:41.920
<v Speaker 1>video at this time, and we may never disclose the

0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:50.360
<v Speaker 1>video depending on the prosecution and the criminal case. But

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:55.839
<v Speaker 1>what I saw was a deputy arrive at the west

0:50:55.920 --> 0:51:02.600
<v Speaker 1>side of Building twelve take up a position, and he

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:09.120
<v Speaker 1>never went in. He never went in. Folks, let me

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>tell you something. That video Actually, we're gonna see it.

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna they're they're gonna hold onto it for as

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 1>long as they can. Uh. I never advocate for this

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing at all, But you know, I'm just

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not trying to allude to that or anything.

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 1>But I this guy who did not go in, I'm

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 1>sure he's going to They're gonna be safety concerns for him.

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:36.239
<v Speaker 1>So that's a legitimate safety concerns for I think that

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the I think that they're worried about letting the video

0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.400
<v Speaker 1>out for the time being, maybe they'll get a judge

0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 1>under that for or for that reason to withhold this

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 1>from the public. But I don't know. I think we're

0:51:55.200 --> 0:52:00.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna see this video and it's gonna be bad. You

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 1>can be sure of that. If this was a close call.

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:04.879
<v Speaker 1>You heard that, you're the sheriff there. Now that now

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 1>that it's out right, now that we're not the video,

0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 1>but the facts of this, the description of what was

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:14.319
<v Speaker 1>in that video now we know. So just so we're

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>all on the same page here, the FBI dropped the ball.

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Local law enforcement dropped the ball. The security feed twenty

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 1>minutes delayed in the school also was so messed up

0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>technologically that it made it hard for them to figure

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>out who the shooter was and find him more quickly

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:36.160
<v Speaker 1>after the shooting. And then the sheriff's deputy just waited

0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:42.239
<v Speaker 1>outside did nothing. But as many are saying, yeah, but

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the n R the n R A is is the

0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>problem here. That's what do we have? Do We have

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the sheriff from last night, By the way, play the

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.080
<v Speaker 1>sheriff from last night. This is this is what he

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 1>was sounding like last night. First and responsible is the

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 1>agent or the detective or the person who received a

0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:00.879
<v Speaker 1>tip and didn't exercise the dude dill legence and took

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 1>it where they needed to be. All that being said,

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.399
<v Speaker 1>when I'm asking the law makes to give police all

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>over this country is more power. So he's beating up

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>on the FBI. There's the sheriff. W I think I've

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>heard is like a friend of Debbie Wasserman Schultz is

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I think I've heard that. I think

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:27.359
<v Speaker 1>that maybe that may not be true. Maybe somebody's meant that,

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like in the metaphorical sense of a friend of Debbie

0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Wasserman Schultze is as he's a left winger. But uh,

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the sheriff's beating up on the FBI and local law

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 1>enforcement showed up at this guy's house has got dozens

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.440
<v Speaker 1>of calls involved with him. Right, the FBI missed an

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>online tip, not good, but and then missed the tip

0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 1>that was called in with all the details. That's worse.

0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 1>That was really bad. But the sheriff is beating up

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.920
<v Speaker 1>on the FBI. Meanwhile, he knows that his deputy was

0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the one person on the scene who might have been

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>to bring this to an end and save lives in

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the process, and just completely inexcusable laps, a completely inexcusable laps.

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:13.440
<v Speaker 1>And then you see the philosophical divide there for a moment,

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the one that I talked about at the beginning of

0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:18.919
<v Speaker 1>the show. There you see what really separates the two

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:24.560
<v Speaker 1>signs here. The state big es state failed at every

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 1>single level here, failure upon failure upon failure. And what

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 1>is the refrain you here from the left? What does

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the sheriff say we need to do to fix this?

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Give the state more power? The state didn't use the

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:47.440
<v Speaker 1>power that it had. Give the state more power. The

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 1>state didn't fulfill the obligations that it had. Give the

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>state more power. This is why it's so hard to

0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 1>find common ground on this issue. We're not seeing the

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:08.440
<v Speaker 1>same things occurring here, right. This is and appalling and

0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 1>appalling and a disgraceful series of events leading up to

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 1>enduring this shooting. And we are told that the answer is,

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.719
<v Speaker 1>by the way, banned guns. What will the answer, What

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.040
<v Speaker 1>will the answer be if they did even ben Let's

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 1>say they just banned all semi and all new sales

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of semi automatic, right, which is not going to happen.

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 1>But let's say they banned that, or they banned. All

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 1>are fifteens. If you have them, they're grandfathered in. But otherwise,

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and again it's not gonna happen. What's the discussion after

0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the next school shooting and it's a handgun, it's gonna

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 1>be a banned handgun, right, it has to be because

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:54.320
<v Speaker 1>if the logic of the air and Air fifteen was

0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:57.840
<v Speaker 1>used the shooting, therefore we ban air fifteens, they're going

0:55:57.920 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to apply the same logic. Two, Well, a handgun as

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:01.800
<v Speaker 1>was there And as we know, the Virginia Tech shooting

0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the biggest uh massacre in a school in the country. Actually,

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I think the single biggest loss of life in the

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 1>school in school history or in the history of any

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>school involved. The massacre was a bomb a very long

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>time ago. I'll look up the specifics of it. I'm

0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure about that, like a way way back when.

0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:24.400
<v Speaker 1>But with with firearm it was pistol. So they're the

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>next thing will be handguns. Pistols, that'll be the the next one.

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.760
<v Speaker 1>It has to be right or else what's the logic

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of the first decision. But it's not gonna stop any

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:38.719
<v Speaker 1>school shootings, as we know, all right, I've I've I've

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:40.439
<v Speaker 1>been going on at some length here. I know we've

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:42.800
<v Speaker 1>had not only every line lip, but I know people

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 1>are people are sending me emails and Facebook messages. Want

0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:46.279
<v Speaker 1>to get through what I got a lot to say.

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to get through. We're gonna rack and stack

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:50.040
<v Speaker 1>them right now. Team, We're gonna hear from a lot

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 1>of you. So eight four four to five. As the

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:55.960
<v Speaker 1>lines open, as we take calls, spots will open up,

0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and I want to hear from you. So we'll get

0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 1>into this and we'll be right back. I did feel

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 1>like this opportunity was more successful than I anticipated. Um.

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:09.839
<v Speaker 1>I felt that President Trump was very sincere and diplomatic

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 1>about his responses UH talking about during the discussion and after.

0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I do believe that action will be taken by the

0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:22.840
<v Speaker 1>President and the government of the United States, and that

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 1>gun control will be in effect and changes near Se

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 1>had some of the students from Marjorie Douglas High School

0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:34.560
<v Speaker 1>that we're at the Trump listening session, willing to say

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that I thought it was it was a good, worthwhile event,

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and they think change is coming. What do you think

0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 1>about all this? But there's also there's gosh, I got

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>breaking news here. Muller has filed thirty two new charges

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 1>against Manafort and Gates. I've been thinking that superseding indictment

0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 1>was coming for a while. That is what this is.

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>But this is the hammer again, Maniford, and this is

0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:03.440
<v Speaker 1>dropping the hammer man of Fort and Gates are in

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>h and for you know, some some rough times. It's

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 1>not good because this is uh the tax for all

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 1>tax evasion. These penalties are these penalties get stiff now

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:20.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just allegations. Who knows right and also has nothing

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to do with Russia collusion or Trump or do they go?

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.920
<v Speaker 1>This is all stuff that happened before the Trump campaign.

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 1>But this is what special counsels do. Special counsels have

0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 1>to justify their existence. And you never want a bureaucrat

0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:36.040
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of power who has to justify his

0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:41.240
<v Speaker 1>or her existence. Not good, not good for liberty, not

0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 1>good for the rule of law. All right, every line, lid,

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>come on, buck stop talking. Uh Danny in Batesville, Arkansas?

0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 1>What's up? Danny? Hey man? How you doing tonight? I'm

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.520
<v Speaker 1>all right, thanks Danny. Hey listen, I'm on the other side,

0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but I got ant to caveat to this,

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, I man, it's ago more than thirty years

0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 1>without discussing my service in the Marines, because I served,

0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, at the end of the Vietnam War. It

0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:09.840
<v Speaker 1>was an aspective popular war, and at the end, everybody

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:11.600
<v Speaker 1>was just trying to get out. Nobody wanted to be

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 1>the last one to get killed, you know. But I

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 1>was barely eighteen years old the first time I came

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:20.160
<v Speaker 1>under fire, and the only thing I really remember was

0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:23.560
<v Speaker 1>keying all over myself. Okay, So I mean, you never

0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:26.400
<v Speaker 1>know what someone's gonna do. Now, I'm not defending at

0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that that deputy, but yeah, I understand he's been a

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 1>deputy since nine six. But I also heard something about

0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>this a couple of days ago that they were looking

0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 1>at his action. So it may have just popped on

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the news today, but there's been there's been an undercurrent

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:41.000
<v Speaker 1>about about what this guy, what this guy did? You

0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 1>know that I can remember, you know. I mean, it

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.480
<v Speaker 1>actually wasn't until I was hit with trapnel from a

0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 1>mortar around and I'm pretty sure it was one of ours,

0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:49.920
<v Speaker 1>because it was a Willie feed around the white fospher's round,

0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:52.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I'm trying to dig the white fosphers

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:54.240
<v Speaker 1>out of my arm. Well, I actually remember starting to

0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>fire my weapon. You know, you don't know what's going

0:59:56.880 --> 0:59:59.640
<v Speaker 1>to happen in a situation like that. All these brave

0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:01.720
<v Speaker 1>deep we want to call I'll do this and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Look, if it would been kids and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have been there, I'm pretty sure i'd have ran in there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I don't know what for certainly need

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<v Speaker 1>to do you and nobody else does. So all these

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<v Speaker 1>all these armchair armchair quarterbacks and and call a duty

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<v Speaker 1>brave guys, you know, they just don't know how they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna act in something like this. But I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>you so with Danny. But I need Danny. And let

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<v Speaker 1>first off, we all respect your service, and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you given a perspective that's different to what we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're gonna hear from a lot of other folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure how can so? So that means if, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>you said you when you were in the Marine Corps,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody deserted their posts because they got scared, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big problem. Right. Oh yeah, Look none of us ran.

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<v Speaker 1>Look I was I was there. No, no no, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not suggesting anyone ran. I'm just saying. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>there has to be I'm just saying, there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be accountability, even in extreme circumstances for those who are

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<v Speaker 1>charged with life and death situations. Right, those who are

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<v Speaker 1>even weapons, either in the service of their country or

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<v Speaker 1>in the defense of civilians here at home, have an

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<v Speaker 1>obligation and responsibility. So I mean, I I understand the

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<v Speaker 1>impulse to say, Look, it's difficult and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy for people to judge, but we also have

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<v Speaker 1>to hold someone accountable for not doing their duty while

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<v Speaker 1>little kids are getting blown away, seventeen of them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's listen, I understand he's he's being held accountable,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's great. What I hate you hear other people

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<v Speaker 1>call and brag about what they would have done because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know what they would have done. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>just hate to hear braggers. It really just ranks me.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know, I'm I'm a registered gun owner.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not an n r A member. I loathe

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<v Speaker 1>and despise the n r A. I think they need

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of politics. Why do you hate the

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<v Speaker 1>n r A because they don't represent me. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>legal gun owner. I don't need the n r A

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<v Speaker 1>is fronting for me, but they don't, the United States says,

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<v Speaker 1>and I respect it, and I I helped defend it,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one's gonna come take my guns away. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of it. People just whipping people up in

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<v Speaker 1>a frenzy. Oh man, they're gonna come get your guns,

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<v Speaker 1>all Danny, if you had listened to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>folks last night, If you listen to the folks last night,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually do want to take your guns away. So

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to be the one to break the bad

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<v Speaker 1>news to you, but it is in fact the case

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<v Speaker 1>that there are people who want to take your guns away,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of them, and they run most of the media media,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the main media organizations across the country. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there is that. All right, let's get to some other

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<v Speaker 1>callers here. Jeff in Madison, North Carolina. Hey, Jeff, Hey, Buck,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for taking my call. And who was the last

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<v Speaker 1>called Danny? I think so, yeah, you respect his uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, service to the country. But I'm an n

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<v Speaker 1>r A member and I love them. I'm a carry

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<v Speaker 1>concealed holder and I do carry, and I would just

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<v Speaker 1>like Danny to know, yes, I do think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'm carrying this weapon. You know, what is my role?

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<v Speaker 1>What if something goes wrong? You know what am I

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do? I consider those things. But anyway, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>I was calling because you asked earlier what this deputy did.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it change your mind on having armed either teachers

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<v Speaker 1>or even security guards in schools? No, it does not,

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<v Speaker 1>because how many times have we heard first responders running

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<v Speaker 1>towards the danger just because this one guy made this

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<v Speaker 1>terrible mistake and did not enter that building. First responders

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<v Speaker 1>run toward the danger. We've heard it time and time again,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're great people. And no, and that's Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly right. We have to have offensive personnel in

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<v Speaker 1>these schools. You know, we just keep That's all I've got, Gene.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jeff, I just you can see how that the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and the left are going to try to turn

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<v Speaker 1>this into well it didn't work this time, so why

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<v Speaker 1>it work? Then? You see what I mean? That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the narrative from their side of it,

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<v Speaker 1>just because this one man made a mistake. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I'm just saying be prepared. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>should be prepared for what comes next year. We're already

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<v Speaker 1>seeing it. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter what the left says.

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<v Speaker 1>I when they say something, I always turn it around

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<v Speaker 1>on them. You know. They say that if we don't

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<v Speaker 1>go along with their theory on how to handle this,

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<v Speaker 1>then we we're all standing on dead bodies of young students. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I say just the opposite. If you don't go our way,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the ones if you don't want armed guards and

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<v Speaker 1>in schools, you're the ones that don't want a solution.

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<v Speaker 1>We want the solution. We are trying to find a solution.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've also tweeted out today that they don't they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to like it, but Donald Trump is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the one that does find a salute. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's true. I think, and it's gonna be there's

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<v Speaker 1>some irony to this, right because Donald Trump coming. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for calling in, Jeff, I appreciate your perspective. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump comes into office and they're saying he's a fascist,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's the most right wing, he's all right, he's

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff. And here here's something that that may

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<v Speaker 1>in fact be the case. Uh not, we don't know yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is likely to be I would say a

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<v Speaker 1>true statement that Donald Trump will have and at his

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<v Speaker 1>urging right, not just a function of the Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>will have managed within let's say, the first two years

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<v Speaker 1>in office to have done more that was constructive and

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<v Speaker 1>solution based on the issue of gun violence and particularly

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<v Speaker 1>school shootings, then the Obama administration managed in eight years.

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<v Speaker 1>That is likely to be It's not yet a true statement,

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<v Speaker 1>it is likely to be a true statement depending on

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<v Speaker 1>what comes out of all this. I think we are

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this is quite possible. I just think about that

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<v Speaker 1>for a moment. I mean, it's you kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>to stop your tracks. So wow. That's and yet the

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<v Speaker 1>left hates they will hate him every bit. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter if if the if Trump, let's just say that

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<v Speaker 1>the arming of teachers happens whatever, we're gonna call it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the increased armed personnel on campus, on in schools, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was not another mass shooting in school in a

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<v Speaker 1>school for the rest of Trump's term, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>obviously fantastic, and they be considerable drop off. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they'd say, oh, look at how great Trump is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know now, it doesn't matter what he does. They hate,

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<v Speaker 1>don't matter what. I just gotta remember that too. Um

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<v Speaker 1>Ron in Virginia. Hey, Ron, how are you doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, Thank you for your call. So thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of quick points. I'm forty five, so that

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<v Speaker 1>tells my age, and but I would like to look

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<v Speaker 1>at a bigger picture other than just armed guards. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to look at what's going on with the children. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I'm forty five years old. I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in the country. Uh. When I went to school,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody had where I grew up had firearms in her vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not it was hunting rifles, shotguns during dove season. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody carried a knife, whether or not it was a

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<v Speaker 1>hunting knife in a scabbard for a pocketknife. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>my day, guys were still fighting in school, getting in

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<v Speaker 1>his fight, and nobody ever pulled knaves were shot each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Guns in our day, if you're my age, are older,

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<v Speaker 1>you could buy right out of a J. C. Tennis

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<v Speaker 1>catalog and had the gun step right to your house,

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<v Speaker 1>no background checks. So guns are not the issue. You

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<v Speaker 1>just have to look at the facts of it. Facts

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<v Speaker 1>are is what's going on with our kids and society

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole that we're at this point. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>my one point when when is to Danny said that

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't like people judging. Yet he said he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>need the n r A because it will never come

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<v Speaker 1>take to his guns. Well, he don't know what he

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<v Speaker 1>would do if they showed up as his door to

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<v Speaker 1>take his guns, so he has to use his own

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy to come up with why not fight now? So

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<v Speaker 1>you never have to worry about what you're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>when the federal agents decide to show up at you

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<v Speaker 1>were in the door and take him because Danny may

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<v Speaker 1>find that he was peeing on his leg Acain, And

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<v Speaker 1>I just think you can't legislate behavior because it's all

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to a moral compass. You have a great night,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, thank you for hey rop, thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for sharing your thoughts. Um. By the way, I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Bath I'm sorry I mentioned the biggest school

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<v Speaker 1>death toll for an attack on a school in history.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually in and I was right, I just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't remember the name of it. The Bath School massacres

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<v Speaker 1>that's called on UH. The eighteenth of May nine twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven in Bath Township, Michigan, forty four people killed. H

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<v Speaker 1>This was through a UH fire bombing and a suicide

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<v Speaker 1>by detonating a final device. So it's essentially fire bombing

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<v Speaker 1>and explosions. Um that was that was so that was

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<v Speaker 1>now that involved an adult, not an actual student, as

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<v Speaker 1>as shooting the other students. But something has changed now

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll maybe to address us the only side of

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<v Speaker 1>the break, but we should not lose sight of the

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<v Speaker 1>world has actually gotten less violent over tom not more

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<v Speaker 1>are tolerance for violence in Western civilization, western society, and

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<v Speaker 1>the world as a whole, uh has gone down, not up.

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<v Speaker 1>This issue of school shootings is a particular and virulent

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenon and maybe worth digging into that a bit more Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, by the way, I didn't mean to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about school shootings for most of the show that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I just that's where the news took us because we

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<v Speaker 1>had breaking news during the show. But there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more that we're gonna to talk about tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna have having David French joined us in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit here to talk about his his proposed solutions,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think one of them is particularly strong, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I gotta talk to about immigration. So there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot of We're gonna have some Russia stuff

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow to hit, but we'll be right back. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly worthwhile threat on the issue of school shootings

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<v Speaker 1>that I wanted to share with you. It comes courtesy

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<v Speaker 1>of um Ari. Shulman is the fellow's name. He's a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I'm not sure even what his focus is,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's on Twitter. Here's what he wrote, some song.

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<v Speaker 1>Some why we and our institutions may be failing to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with mass shootings because we approached them as part

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<v Speaker 1>of broader problems, not as a distinct and self perpetuating plague.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with almost every narrative that mass shootings are

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<v Speaker 1>actually an X problem is that X is usually so broad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like saying the real problem with asteroid impacts is

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<v Speaker 1>that the Earth is so big. Take mental health. It's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to say mass shootings are really a mental health

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<v Speaker 1>problem because you'd have to be crazy to commit one. Right. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not really. The literature does not reflect a strong link

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<v Speaker 1>with serious mental illness. Some like the Virginia tech shooter,

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<v Speaker 1>had serious diagnosed or diagnosable mental illness like psychopathy or

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<v Speaker 1>major depression, but the large majority don't, and the vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of people with strong mental illness aren't violent. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>another one. This is really about a America's love of guns,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's just the most visible edge of our gun

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<v Speaker 1>violence problem. Again, doesn't go very far in explaining mass shootings,

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<v Speaker 1>which have moved opposite to gun ownership and overall gun

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<v Speaker 1>homicide trends. It's very important we've seen this spike in

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<v Speaker 1>mass casualty school shootings, but also we've seen drops in

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence in recent decades, big drops. So what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>If it were just guns? That doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Shulman goes on here, Uh, let's put armed guards

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<v Speaker 1>in every school. Not outlandish, but would never encounter a shooter,

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<v Speaker 1>and the few who did would be taken by surprise

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<v Speaker 1>after years of board roaming of the hallways, probably why

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<v Speaker 1>there are already many cases of shooters not being stopped

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<v Speaker 1>by them. I would note that Mr. R. Shalman wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this on February sixteenth, so he did not know what

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<v Speaker 1>we know now about the armed guard at the high school,

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<v Speaker 1>and goes on to this one mass shootings are a

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<v Speaker 1>white or Asian problem. I've never seen this argument made

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<v Speaker 1>in good faith, but it's bunk. The racial distribution of

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooters is basically the same as the general population

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<v Speaker 1>and actually almost completely mirrors what you know. The percentages

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<v Speaker 1>are of the U. S population in terms of ethnic

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic um background, male toxicity or a crisis of masculinity.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes, hard to put numbers on that, but just

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<v Speaker 1>about any definition would peg the problem. Far early than

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen eighties, when the active shooter phenomenon really

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<v Speaker 1>started to pick up in the United States, mass shootings

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<v Speaker 1>do have something to do with these factors, except the

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<v Speaker 1>race thing. That's totally a canard. But weakly saying they're

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<v Speaker 1>actually about any one thing miss is the singular nature

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<v Speaker 1>of this violence. It doesn't go anywhere rhetorically or practically

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<v Speaker 1>or politically to the extent that mass shootings are about anything.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the really important part, folks, it's themselves. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a distinct etiology. There are a form of imitative

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<v Speaker 1>a political terrorism fueled by anti social rage but spread

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<v Speaker 1>by infamy seeking and social contagion. Strategies with a chance

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<v Speaker 1>of doing anything must like past efforts to stop hijacking,

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<v Speaker 1>terrorism and assassinations, understand mass shootings as a distinct form

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<v Speaker 1>of self perpetuating violence. And strategically target them as such, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Shawman, who is uh, He's written for the Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street Journal and The Atlantic. I think that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>astute thread that he had there on truth about school

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<v Speaker 1>shootings and how to stop them and to that. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've got David French joining us, and then we will

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<v Speaker 1>just a few minutes and we'll talk immigration for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of segments, and then we'll get into some roll

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<v Speaker 1>hall and tomorrow, I promise a lot of other stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we'll hit that we didn't get to today because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the way the show went. We'll be back. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the third hour of the Buck Section Show. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for being here. I know we've

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<v Speaker 1>hit a lot of topics today, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>bring on someone who I mentioned earlier in the week

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<v Speaker 1>in reference to a piece that he had written on

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<v Speaker 1>well one aspect of this gun debate that has broken out,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact now we can have him weigh in

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<v Speaker 1>on on a few different parts important parts of the discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, we have David French on the line. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a senior writer for Nashville also a veteran of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Armed Forces. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>calling in, David. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually wanted to start I know this is

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<v Speaker 1>from an earlier piece you wrote, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>start with the notion of a temporary restraining order for

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<v Speaker 1>gun buying. Essentially that strikes me. I mean, there are

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<v Speaker 1>there are two places where I see really no problem

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<v Speaker 1>if the legislation would be done correctly or if whatever

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the fix would be. One would be that and

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<v Speaker 1>the other has to do with what Dana Lash mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>at the forum last night, the mental health checks at

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<v Speaker 1>the state or mental health reporting and criminal reporting at

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<v Speaker 1>the state level going to the federal government. But can

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<v Speaker 1>we start with the uh, the temporary straining order that

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<v Speaker 1>to me seems like a totally reasonable idea, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>it's not seeming like it's the top of the list

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<v Speaker 1>for either side right now. What's going on? Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>the gun violence restraining order idea, I think has has

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple of virtues to it. One, unlike the

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<v Speaker 1>gun controlled ideas that are floated around, it's precisely targeted

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<v Speaker 1>at the exact kind of problem that we're facing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is, there are people not just in the mass

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<v Speaker 1>shooting context. Also often in the suicide context, who give

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<v Speaker 1>off warning signs. Sometimes they're giving off warning signs like crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but they haven't been convicted of a felony, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>not been adjudicated mentally unfit, and so therefore they still

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way to deny them access to a firearm.

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<v Speaker 1>What a gun violence or straining order does is it

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<v Speaker 1>says it allows people who are close to a troubled

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<v Speaker 1>person to go to a court and seek a temporary

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<v Speaker 1>order upon providing clear and convincing evidence that a person

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<v Speaker 1>is a significant danger to themselves or others, and that

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<v Speaker 1>temporary order would require that person to be rid of

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<v Speaker 1>their guns for a specified period of time. And and

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<v Speaker 1>so what you have to do to get it is

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<v Speaker 1>to come forward with admissible evidence like sworn statements, Instagram photos.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, exactly the kind of evidence that existed

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<v Speaker 1>before the Parkland shooting, Exactly the kind of evidence was

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<v Speaker 1>presented by the to the FBI. In this circumstance, you

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<v Speaker 1>would empower people close to a troubled person to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a local court. Again, so you're you're not feeding

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<v Speaker 1>information to the maw of this really big bureaucracy. Go

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<v Speaker 1>to a local court and get a temporary order, and

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<v Speaker 1>the gun owner subject to the order would have an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to contest it. And so it's very targeted at

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<v Speaker 1>people who are giving off warning signs, and it gives

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<v Speaker 1>people a tool to deal with people who are giving

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<v Speaker 1>off warning signs while protecting due process. It has to

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<v Speaker 1>be properly drawn, but I think it's got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of promise. I do too, And so I'm wondering, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe these are questions that you know, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>answer just yet, but why is this not the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm I'll be honest with you, David, makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more sense to me than trying to put armed

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<v Speaker 1>security in a hundred thousand schools across the country. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know people might get mad at me for saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I you know, you serve the military. I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>c I A putting people with guns in places is

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<v Speaker 1>not as easy as people think it is sometimes in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the logistics and the the possible liabilities and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else that goes on with it. Why isn't this

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<v Speaker 1>do you get pushed back on this? Are are people?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? You're a Second Amendment defender. I'm a second

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<v Speaker 1>amendment defender who has a problem with this or is

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<v Speaker 1>there no problem, it just isn't enough. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's the latter that is just not known enough, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you this, I wrote this article. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>come up with this idea. It's been proposed in a

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<v Speaker 1>few states. Um, I wrote this article. It literally got

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<v Speaker 1>more feedback I think than anything I've ever written in

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<v Speaker 1>my career. The amount of feedback, and I would describe

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<v Speaker 1>it as ninety percent positives. Marco Senator Rubio has been

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<v Speaker 1>in support of it, um and so I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>gaining some momentum. I believe the last last count, it's

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<v Speaker 1>up to eighteen states or at least some version of

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<v Speaker 1>this now. Some are better written than others, but some

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<v Speaker 1>version of this has been proposed in eighteen states now.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is gaining momentum. But it's not talked about

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't fit particularly And even though you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even though there are liberals who support this, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a huge sweeping change like an assault weapons fan Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's modest, it's very targeted. But I tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it could have real imp because if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at say that the worst twenty mass shootings in

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<v Speaker 1>the US since column mine. Setting aside the Las Vegas shooter,

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<v Speaker 1>which is still such a mystery. Um. Time and time

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<v Speaker 1>and time again, these people give off warning signs like

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't believe, and nobody has really the capacity to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about it. Um. And this would give people

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<v Speaker 1>that opportunity to do something when those warning signs are present.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking to David French of National Review, David, I also

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<v Speaker 1>think that, uh, And I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 1>one you've looked at specifically yet, but Dana mentioned it

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<v Speaker 1>at the CNN forum last night, which I will I

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<v Speaker 1>did think was a complete debacle. I mean, not what

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<v Speaker 1>she did, but what went on there. Nonetheless, Uh, she

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that there should be information at the state level

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<v Speaker 1>passed to the federal background check system so that if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody does something real crazy, you know, if if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>is one of these guys that used to see on

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<v Speaker 1>the show Cops who's running around shirtless after he stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>three people with a screwdriver, that needs to be back

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<v Speaker 1>information that goes to the federal back round checksism that

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<v Speaker 1>we already have in place. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people are surprised to know one that that's not there.

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<v Speaker 1>And two, uh, is there pushback to this? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think? Yeah, I mean I think that

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<v Speaker 1>should go as well. I think the the unfortunate thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that the state mental health adjudications are so broken,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is. It is not easy. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>easy to involuntarily get a mental health adjudication for somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing is what we have to realize

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of these circumstances, people aren't crazy. They're angry,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not insane, they're evil. It's a very important point

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<v Speaker 1>that the problem is if you're saying, well, everyone, all

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<v Speaker 1>these people are crazy, that's just flat out wrong. So

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<v Speaker 1>the mental health adjudication issue, I agree, we can do

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<v Speaker 1>a better job of that. But the difference between that

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<v Speaker 1>and they say the gun violence restraining order, the gun

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<v Speaker 1>violence restraining order capture somebody even if they're not crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>they're angry. And in fact, where it's been enforced in

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<v Speaker 1>um in California, it's been used a number of times,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, in the situation of angry ex husbands or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people who are going through a crisis in

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<v Speaker 1>life and they're very angry. Disc you know, the going

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<v Speaker 1>back back to a place of business or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and so, um, we just really cannot put in our

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<v Speaker 1>minds this idea that all these people who do these

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<v Speaker 1>things are crazy, because they're not all crazy. Well. And

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<v Speaker 1>also anyone who I've actually done a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>research on on psychopathy and psychopaths can can function very

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<v Speaker 1>normally a lot of the time. In fact, some psychopaths

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<v Speaker 1>do very well in life. It's there's there's a certain

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<v Speaker 1>type of psychopathy that manifests itself in really dangerous, horrible fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>but even the worst of the worst can actually come

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<v Speaker 1>across as pretty normal. So even when we're talking David

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<v Speaker 1>about the scary, you know, maniacal killer type, uh, they

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<v Speaker 1>often will appear normal to a lot of people. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're not running around, you know, acting like maniacs in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that would be observable to every to people

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<v Speaker 1>in the general public, right, I mean, now, to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those people who's look normal to the general public,

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<v Speaker 1>into their households, they do not, right, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>the restraining order would come in and be helpful, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's I think that's something that Look, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan of laboratories of democracy and I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to see some Red states implement I properly drafted

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<v Speaker 1>g v R OH and then study it after a year,

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<v Speaker 1>two years, who has the order been granted against under

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<v Speaker 1>what circumstances? And then you know, you can look at

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<v Speaker 1>that and if it's been successful, if it appears to

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<v Speaker 1>save lives without violating you know, fundamental due process rights

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<v Speaker 1>that Americans enjoy, then you can replicate it and move

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<v Speaker 1>on and refine it and improve it. You know, people

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<v Speaker 1>say do something. I really hate that phrase. Something I

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<v Speaker 1>would prefer phrase why why not do something that has

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to be effective? And and this is something

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<v Speaker 1>I think that has that chance. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>is different about this time? Clearly we've one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons we're having a discussion is because there's been multiple

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<v Speaker 1>mass school mass casualty school shooting stretching back for years. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Why why does it seem like now with a Republican House,

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<v Speaker 1>Republican senator, Republican president, we may get some action on

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<v Speaker 1>this when we have it in the past. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think what's happened is it's finally dawned on

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Americans that we have a real contagion

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<v Speaker 1>issue with the mass shootings. So if you know gun overall,

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence in this country has dropped precipitously from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the highs and twenty five years ago. Um. But these

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<v Speaker 1>mass shootings, on the other hand, it's almost like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a virus loose on the land. When you consider that

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<v Speaker 1>three of the five worst mass shootings in American history

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<v Speaker 1>occurred in twenty seventeen, that's pretty stunning. Uh. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you add this swin, which is yet another school shooting, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and you reach a point where a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are saying, what what can we do? Is there something

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<v Speaker 1>that we can do? Because we have a real problem

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<v Speaker 1>here and now. Of course, you know your average American

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<v Speaker 1>student is the odds of them being exposed to school

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<v Speaker 1>shooting is are vanishingly small. But each one of these

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<v Speaker 1>things is deeply traumatic in the same way that a

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<v Speaker 1>big time terrorist attack is traumatic. They really hit people,

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<v Speaker 1>and they hit people in the gut, and the more

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<v Speaker 1>quickly the gut punches come, the more desperation build. Of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the different options that are out there, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of the ones that are getting a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of attention right now, at least from from Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, put it on the side that there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a lot of Democrats who just want to bang

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<v Speaker 1>on semi on semi automatic rifles, ben l a r

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<v Speaker 1>span all guns. Putting all those aside. Though of the

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<v Speaker 1>other proposals, Trump's obviously spending a lot of time on

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<v Speaker 1>armed security in schools. What do you think? I am not, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm skeptical about that. I mean, for a couple of reasons. One,

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<v Speaker 1>you will have huge pushback at the school level to that,

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<v Speaker 1>except for you know, your your standard school resource officer.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot a lot of schools have those things already,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but but to say that a single school

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<v Speaker 1>resource officer is going to be a panacea, I think

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<v Speaker 1>just completely misunderstands the reality. I mean, you have one

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<v Speaker 1>guy on these big campuses, and uh, you know who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend most of his day's board and breaking

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<v Speaker 1>up fights and then has to be ready at a

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<v Speaker 1>moment's notice to spring into action at exactly right place

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<v Speaker 1>at the right time. It's a lot to ask, ye,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a calculating nineteen year old psychopath who

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<v Speaker 1>has access to a firearm and decides he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>go after a school. He knows well, he's gonna either

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<v Speaker 1>go with the resource officer isn't, or go after the

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<v Speaker 1>resource officer first. So that's another part of this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like doesn't get much attention. Yes, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that just the mechanics of it, I'm skeptical that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a cure all. I do think that there is an

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely nothing wrong. For example, in in my home count Easy,

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<v Speaker 1>UM sheriff and the police department made a school resource

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<v Speaker 1>officer available to every school, public and private in the county,

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<v Speaker 1>UM if they so chose. I think that's there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with that. But I think that what we have

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<v Speaker 1>to say is we're not going to say there's any

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that's the panacea. UM, there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a combination. So I think, yes, UM, having more security

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<v Speaker 1>at schools is a good thing. It's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the answer. Yes, gun violence restraining orders is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good thing. It's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the answer. But here's something that I saw floated that

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<v Speaker 1>was very interesting to me. When we've had crime, critical

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<v Speaker 1>crime issues in the past, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we've done is we've organized, for example, specific law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>task forces designed to deal with it. Like like um

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<v Speaker 1>gang ask forces and specific tasking specific entities to try

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle the problem from multiple angles. I do wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if it's time for a specific umkin like you could

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<v Speaker 1>even be like a federal local law enforcement partnership like

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<v Speaker 1>HI to high intensity drug trafficking area. They started when

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<v Speaker 1>they realized how bad the drug problem was. The FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>d a local law enforcement all working together. Yeah, David,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta leave it there because we're gonna run into

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<v Speaker 1>our heart break. But everyone should go check out David's

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<v Speaker 1>work Nashal Review dot com, David French, follow him on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>and David, thank you for some very thoughtful contributions to

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<v Speaker 1>what has been, uh quite a discussion this week in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways as you as I'm sure you've seen so

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the pieces you're you and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your colleagues that n are putting up there. So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. Well, thanks much, appreciate it. All right, team,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna roll into a break. Will be back. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to you about a little immigration story

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<v Speaker 1>that's not getting nearly enough attention. I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>should give it a whole a more attention, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do that in just a couple of minutes, so

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<v Speaker 1>stay with me. And yet we get no help from

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<v Speaker 1>the state of California. They are doing a lousy management job.

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<v Speaker 1>They have the highest taxes in the nation. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what's happening out there. It's a it's a frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a disgrace the sanctuary city situation and the protection

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<v Speaker 1>of these horrible criminals in California and other places, but

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<v Speaker 1>in California. That if we haven't pulled our ice out

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<v Speaker 1>and we haven't said, hey, let California alone, let them

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out for themselves, in two months, they'd be

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<v Speaker 1>begging for us to come back. They would be begging.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what I'm thinking about doing it. He's

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about pulling immigrations and customs enforcement out of the

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<v Speaker 1>state of California. WHOA all right now? Is he serious?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We're talking about Trump here, everybody. Would

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<v Speaker 1>he maybe be willing to roll the dice on this

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<v Speaker 1>one to make the point It would be a powerful

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<v Speaker 1>point at at what would happen in the state of

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<v Speaker 1>California if all of a sudden, the federal member it

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<v Speaker 1>was fought by the the obadministration fought state efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>help in immigration enforcement, and the federal court this was

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<v Speaker 1>in Arizona, held that, okay, only the federal government can

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<v Speaker 1>do immigration enforcement. But I think that also then raises

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting question about, well, what happens if the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government were to say, you know what, for this state,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't think we need to have our resources there.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't think we have to actually prioritize immigration immigration

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement in that state. So we're just gonna pull all

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<v Speaker 1>of our resources out, or even just a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>even just to have a policy of prioritization that directs

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<v Speaker 1>the immigrations and customs enforcement folks in California, or just

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<v Speaker 1>not do anything. You know, you've got other things you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta worry about, guys. I don't know. State could probably

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<v Speaker 1>sue for a little while. I'm sure California would actually overall,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the people listening to the show in California

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<v Speaker 1>are a conservative, so they're like, oh my gosh, the

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<v Speaker 1>taxes in my state. It's run so poorly. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>all crumbling. People are running to Colorado and Texas and

1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:21.479
<v Speaker 1>all these other places. Um, but I think for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while there would be almost like an immigration Jubilee

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<v Speaker 1>in California. People would just say, yeah, you know, now

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<v Speaker 1>everything is great and it's wonderful, and we're it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a fresh start for immigration policy here

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. But then they'd realize what happens if

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<v Speaker 1>you just have unrestricted inflow into one state? What would

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<v Speaker 1>that do? Now? Look, I know they can't really do

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<v Speaker 1>if they're not really going to do this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's interesting that, first of all, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even get Trump says this and again barely gets noticed

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<v Speaker 1>at all. People don't even really bring it up. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like, yeah, you know whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just just just Trump being Trump. And and yet

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<v Speaker 1>this would have quite the impact were he to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it shows that that the sanctuary city issue is

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<v Speaker 1>not is not yet going to fade into the ether. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been in California. I just had to note. I

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<v Speaker 1>read a story on how San Francisco is just parts

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<v Speaker 1>of San Francis, which is a beautiful city. I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed some time I've spent there. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of really nice stuff, but the food is incredible. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's actually a physically very beautiful place, but because

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<v Speaker 1>of all their policies, particularly when it comes to the

1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>vagrancy and homelessness and you know, drug use and all

1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and just general law enforcement and civic clean up.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know even what you'd call it.

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<v Speaker 1>That there are whole areas of California now that the

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<v Speaker 1>quote in the paper was looked like a third world

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<v Speaker 1>trash dump. A whole whole area of San Francisco, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>californ him in sanc im in San Francisco. Whole parts

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<v Speaker 1>of San Francisco look like, uh, just a giant pile

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<v Speaker 1>of refuse because of the policies of the city. And

1:33:12.000 --> 1:33:13.519
<v Speaker 1>it makes you think, how can you have a city

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<v Speaker 1>that's so expensive. There's a tremendous concentration wealth in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Area, and that just allows there's like needles everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's human you know, refuse on the streets a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and all kinds of stuff going on there. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. And I asked a friend of mine who

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<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time out there, went to school

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<v Speaker 1>out there, and he said, oh no, this is true

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<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco. This this is happening right now. In

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<v Speaker 1>some parts of downtown. It is. It is gross. I

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<v Speaker 1>just wonder, you know, at what point do progressives At

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<v Speaker 1>what point did they cross the threshold where they realized

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<v Speaker 1>that their policy preferences aren't worth being ankle deep in

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<v Speaker 1>in urine and use needles. You know, at what point

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<v Speaker 1>do they Because in New York they had to cross

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<v Speaker 1>the threshold and took them well, and they got there,

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<v Speaker 1>and now New York is actually really safe and clean.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk more about immigration coming up here. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>run to a break, but we'll be back with more.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay with me. Oh, I have another bit of immigration

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<v Speaker 1>news to share with you today. Look at this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you you poke around a little bit in the headlines.

1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>You find some stuff that you might not have otherwise. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's comment about maybe pulling immigrations and costins enforcement out

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<v Speaker 1>of California, you got that. But then you also, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is courtesy of the Hill not calm, today, you

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<v Speaker 1>also have the Immigration Agency itself removing the phrase nation

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<v Speaker 1>of immigrants from its mission statements. Removing that phrase. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me share the little warn Your US Citizenship and Immigration

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<v Speaker 1>Services altered mission statement on Thursday by taking out a

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<v Speaker 1>reference to the United States as a nation of immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>The new mission statement reads US Citizenship and Immigration Services

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<v Speaker 1>administers the nation's lawful immigration system, safeguarding its integrity and

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<v Speaker 1>promise by efficiently and fairly adjudicating requests for immigration benefits,

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<v Speaker 1>while protecting Americans, securing the homeland, and arguing our values.

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<v Speaker 1>The agency says, the new mission statement focuses on the

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<v Speaker 1>priorities of fairness, lawfulness, and efficiency. Ah So a little

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of of propaganda taken out of the

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<v Speaker 1>Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Uh motto mission well, mission statement

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<v Speaker 1>not motto. Looks like they have changed things up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Look at that. I have to say. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Uh, this is one of these things where you

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<v Speaker 1>sit around, you think about this more and more you realize,

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<v Speaker 1>what what does that even mean? We're a nation of immigrants. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not true in the sense that every nation is

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<v Speaker 1>a nation of immigrants. There's no say if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to play the well my an ancestors came here from

1:36:01.160 --> 1:36:05.280
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else game. Uh, there is no country that I

1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:09.599
<v Speaker 1>can think of that that is not the case, right,

1:36:09.640 --> 1:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, someone came from somewhere at some point in time.

1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So what is the distinction that is being made. Why

1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>are we being told at the time, well, we're a

1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>nation of immigrants. It's really just a point of propaganda

1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>to suggests that that there's no difference whatsoever. And look,

1:36:25.400 --> 1:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>legal immigrants, great, welcome, God bless good to have you

1:36:28.320 --> 1:36:31.639
<v Speaker 1>in America. But the notion that there's no such thing

1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>really even as an immigrant, because everyone's just an American

1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:40.479
<v Speaker 1>and you know, an American and waiting or an American

1:36:40.560 --> 1:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that came here through immigration, is historical revisionism. It's not

1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the truth. And this is one of these little things

1:36:50.040 --> 1:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that I know people are going to spend a lot

1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of tension on. But you know, you start to look

1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>at this, you say to yourself, oh, that talking point

1:36:58.160 --> 1:37:00.599
<v Speaker 1>that's been repeated by the media for the last twenty

1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>or thirty years ad nauseum. It's just not even accurate.

1:37:04.760 --> 1:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Never mind, it's kind of a worthless thing to say.

1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Like saying that they'll do the jobs Americans won't do.

1:37:11.960 --> 1:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>What a sweeping nonsensical statement to make. Uh yeah, maybe

1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:20.479
<v Speaker 1>people that are unlikely to be filing any income tax

1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:23.640
<v Speaker 1>of any kind will take a different wage basis for

1:37:23.720 --> 1:37:27.559
<v Speaker 1>their labor than people who are planning to actually file

1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a an income tax report. And there's also the issue

1:37:31.160 --> 1:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>of people who are here illegally being more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>take lower skilled, lower paying jobs because they're just looking

1:37:38.439 --> 1:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>for any work here, because they're not supposed to be

1:37:40.200 --> 1:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>in the country in the first place. But the slogans.

1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Getting rid of the slogans is not a small thing,

1:37:46.360 --> 1:37:50.240
<v Speaker 1>no longer having every journalist who wants a cheap round

1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>of applause go, well, we're a nation of immigrants. I

1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think that that's accurate, because it's not. We're not

1:37:58.080 --> 1:38:01.760
<v Speaker 1>a nation of immigrants any more so than every other

1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>country that has borders immigration policies. As a nation of immigrants.

1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:08.519
<v Speaker 1>It's just nonsense. Um. And yet it's taken this long

1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>for us to get to a point where we'll finally say, okay,

1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll take that out of the mission statement of

1:38:14.040 --> 1:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the agency that has the mandate of enforcing border security.

1:38:20.160 --> 1:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>So isn't also just I have to note that immigration

1:38:23.640 --> 1:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>dropped off the docket. I understand why, we all understand why,

1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>but just entirely and so quickly. It was supposed to

1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>be the big policy fight really of the first quarter

1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>of the first few months of the year. There's tied

1:38:37.720 --> 1:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>to the budget, the dead increase, all that, and it's

1:38:41.920 --> 1:38:44.880
<v Speaker 1>just gotten pushed the waist. A Trump showdown with sanctuary cities.

1:38:44.920 --> 1:38:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I still think it's coming, but man, it has been.

1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>It has been cast aside without without much a do

1:38:54.360 --> 1:38:57.599
<v Speaker 1>without without much fanfare. So anyway, well, we'll be back

1:38:57.600 --> 1:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>on the immigration issue soon, I think, and especially if

1:39:01.400 --> 1:39:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Trump decides he's gonna pull mmgrations and custers enforcement from California.

1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:06.800
<v Speaker 1>That would be interesting. We're gonna get into some roll

1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.240
<v Speaker 1>call coming up. Stay with me. Oh but by by

1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:11.479
<v Speaker 1>the way, before I I actually go into that, break

1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:13.559
<v Speaker 1>hold on a second, there was one other thing I

1:39:13.600 --> 1:39:17.320
<v Speaker 1>wanted to toss the mixer, and that is that, uh California,

1:39:17.400 --> 1:39:19.479
<v Speaker 1>because we're mentioning it with the immigrations and custs of

1:39:19.560 --> 1:39:25.200
<v Speaker 1>enforcement thing. Uh, California agriculture is seeing a quote chilling

1:39:25.360 --> 1:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and damaging effect from a wave of immigration audits. So

1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>there's already an impact here from the escalation of enforcement

1:39:37.560 --> 1:39:42.240
<v Speaker 1>priorities or an enforcement period that the Trump administration has

1:39:42.439 --> 1:39:46.280
<v Speaker 1>on illegals and on on employers. That's always been the

1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:50.200
<v Speaker 1>part of this that Republicans in elected office seemed to

1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:54.519
<v Speaker 1>get the squishiest on the fastest, fastest. They they're all,

1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, oh yeah, I'll talk tough on the board

1:39:56.160 --> 1:39:58.479
<v Speaker 1>and everything else. The moment you say, hold on a second,

1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:00.479
<v Speaker 1>a we're gonna start telling employe or is that they

1:40:00.520 --> 1:40:03.479
<v Speaker 1>can't keep doing this, and that means finding them and

1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>holding them accountable. Then then Republicans in the Congress start

1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to get all, hey, hold on a second, we needn't

1:40:12.000 --> 1:40:13.519
<v Speaker 1>think this, think about this a little more. You know,

1:40:13.560 --> 1:40:16.240
<v Speaker 1>we're a nation, we're a nation of immigrance. You know,

1:40:16.240 --> 1:40:18.280
<v Speaker 1>they're doing the jobs Americans won't do. You know. Then

1:40:18.280 --> 1:40:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the talking points come out, So I've already seen there's

1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:23.160
<v Speaker 1>an impact here. I just want to note that that

1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>story and and now with that my friends will get

1:40:26.040 --> 1:40:29.559
<v Speaker 1>into roll call. Man, it is a rainy and bleak

1:40:29.680 --> 1:40:31.639
<v Speaker 1>day here in New York, and it feels like kind

1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:35.599
<v Speaker 1>of a gut punch after yesterday when, for no apparent reason,

1:40:35.680 --> 1:40:38.519
<v Speaker 1>it was in the mid seventies here it was it

1:40:38.680 --> 1:40:44.879
<v Speaker 1>was straight up California t shirt weather, Hangton calibunga uh,

1:40:45.040 --> 1:40:47.559
<v Speaker 1>even though no one ever has really said that except

1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>for the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles, and I guess Spaccoli

1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.559
<v Speaker 1>from Fast Times at Ridgemont High, which, by the way,

1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:56.519
<v Speaker 1>it's not not doesn't really stand up, doesn't we stand up.

1:40:56.600 --> 1:40:59.439
<v Speaker 1>I got a little heat last night because I said

1:40:59.479 --> 1:41:01.800
<v Speaker 1>something that you're all welcome to weigh in on two.

1:41:02.520 --> 1:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I got a little heat because I just wrote on

1:41:04.880 --> 1:41:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Twitter that the Batman Trilogy by Nolan, you know, by

1:41:09.600 --> 1:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Christopher Nolan directed directed it, that is good but not great,

1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>and everyone pretends it's amazing, and I just think it's true.

1:41:18.280 --> 1:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>It was on last night one of them, and I'm

1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:22.280
<v Speaker 1>like this, There's so many plot holes. There's a lot

1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>of noise, you know, not a lot of character development.

1:41:25.320 --> 1:41:29.280
<v Speaker 1>There's some problems. The first one is the best overall

1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:31.760
<v Speaker 1>movie in my opinion. The second one has the best

1:41:31.760 --> 1:41:34.639
<v Speaker 1>performance Heath Ledger Arrest in Peace. He was the joker.

1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:37.599
<v Speaker 1>The third one is just kind of a mess. The

1:41:37.600 --> 1:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>third one doesn't even make any sense. I don't know.

1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:42.479
<v Speaker 1>I was not into it. And Christopher Nolan, I think

1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it's all a little grandiose and heavy handed sometimes. But

1:41:46.160 --> 1:41:48.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, everyone thinks I'm well, not everyone. A lot

1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:50.479
<v Speaker 1>of people think I'm wrong. On that one. I was

1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>just in a mood because I knew it was pouring

1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:57.640
<v Speaker 1>rain outside, just bleak, wet, rainy, dark nastiness here in

1:41:57.680 --> 1:42:02.479
<v Speaker 1>New York, So, uh does affect your mood? Um, I'm

1:42:02.520 --> 1:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>excited that I get to have a dinner tonight after

1:42:05.040 --> 1:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the show with my little sis, who is an amazing lawyer.

1:42:10.560 --> 1:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>She's she's a lawyer who does all the important stuff

1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:16.479
<v Speaker 1>that lawyer. I don't even really know what she does.

1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Is realized that I know she's a lawyer, but I'm

1:42:18.280 --> 1:42:20.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna beyond that. I can't speak to me specifics. We're

1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:23.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna hang out, have some big bro little cis time

1:42:23.280 --> 1:42:26.479
<v Speaker 1>and chat about about life and all the different things.

1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:32.240
<v Speaker 1>And it's important because she is the same age as

1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Miss Molly, so that means that I can I can

1:42:35.320 --> 1:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>ask my little sis to tell me about what's going

1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>on in the pop culture world, so I don't seem

1:42:40.439 --> 1:42:44.120
<v Speaker 1>like some out of touch old fogy. And then I'm like, hey,

1:42:44.479 --> 1:42:48.080
<v Speaker 1>do you hear about the new Tyler the Creator album?

1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:53.479
<v Speaker 1>There's some great cuts on it, man, it's awesome. And

1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:56.839
<v Speaker 1>also Taylor Swift, which I'm not gonna lie. I actually

1:42:57.040 --> 1:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>I do know a bit about Taylor Swift, so Lebrator

1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>whole catalog. So now that I've sufficiently wandered off into

1:43:05.960 --> 1:43:09.120
<v Speaker 1>no man's land here for no apparent reason. Let's get

1:43:09.160 --> 1:43:15.559
<v Speaker 1>into some some roll call. Team buck it's time for

1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:18.640
<v Speaker 1>roll call. I think it's a very important part of

1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the show because it allows those of you who either

1:43:23.160 --> 1:43:25.519
<v Speaker 1>listen a little later on, because you know, we've got

1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the twenty four hour stream of this show, so you

1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>can just go to other bucks x and dot com

1:43:30.280 --> 1:43:32.559
<v Speaker 1>or the I heart app anytime if you missed the show,

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<v Speaker 1>you click and it just streams on the I heart

1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:37.080
<v Speaker 1>app the buck Sexton Show. So if you're listening on

1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>delay but there's something you really you're like, dag knabbit, Buck,

1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you got that One't wrong again? U? You can you know,

1:43:44.880 --> 1:43:49.240
<v Speaker 1>you can send me a very kind and supportive text,

1:43:49.360 --> 1:43:53.360
<v Speaker 1>not text passage, sorry whoa email or Facebook message. Not

1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>giving out my cell phone number just yet, but email

1:43:56.920 --> 1:43:59.799
<v Speaker 1>uh to official Team Bucket Gmail dot com or Facebook

1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>dot com slash buck Sexton, and that's I feel like

1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that's a way to make sure that everybody's a part

1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>of the conversation, not just our wonderful live callers throughout

1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the show. So now with that we will get into

1:44:13.439 --> 1:44:16.120
<v Speaker 1>some roll call. I do this, I do this as

1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I go, So that means that sometimes I don't really know,

1:44:20.400 --> 1:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, I don't really know what I'm getting

1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:25.599
<v Speaker 1>until I get into it a little bit. So, James

1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>writes in Buck, I just finished season one of Sneaky

1:44:29.760 --> 1:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Pete on Amazon. I loved it, starring Giovanni Rubisi and

1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>directed by Brian Cranston Sneaky Pete. I will write that

1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>one down and I will check it out. I'm keeping

1:44:43.000 --> 1:44:46.639
<v Speaker 1>two lists. One is the shows that I have either

1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>seen and want to go back to, and then the

1:44:49.160 --> 1:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>others new shows. So only go back to list the

1:44:52.120 --> 1:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Americans Great Show. I just got distracted and then I

1:44:55.920 --> 1:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>stopped watching it because I don't know why the same

1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>thing with Justified Great Show didn't get to finish. And

1:45:02.280 --> 1:45:06.040
<v Speaker 1>now I'm looking at some other stuff. Ozark, I'm burning

1:45:06.040 --> 1:45:08.439
<v Speaker 1>through with Miss Molly. We went through the marvelous Mrs

1:45:08.439 --> 1:45:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Masel very very quickly. The lead actress in that it's

1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>an Amazon Prime show lead actresses is incredible, very very talented.

1:45:16.520 --> 1:45:22.320
<v Speaker 1>So let's get to here we go. Don next up here,

1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>rights Buck, you're an analyst. There seems to be a

1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:29.320
<v Speaker 1>recurring pattern here. The Underwear Bomber reported the FBI by

1:45:29.360 --> 1:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>his father surnee of brothers reported the FBI by Russian officials.

1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Sandy Hook shooter, known to his high school officials and

1:45:36.080 --> 1:45:39.720
<v Speaker 1>local police, is potentially violent. The Arizona shooter, known to

1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>his high school officials and local police, is potentially violent.

1:45:43.040 --> 1:45:46.639
<v Speaker 1>The Aurora shooter, known to university officials, is potentially violent.

1:45:46.680 --> 1:45:49.839
<v Speaker 1>The South Texas church shooter known to Air Force officials

1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:53.439
<v Speaker 1>for domestic violence, the Florida shooter known to high school

1:45:53.439 --> 1:45:56.519
<v Speaker 1>officials and local police, and the FBI was notified that

1:45:56.560 --> 1:46:02.040
<v Speaker 1>he was potentially violent. This what you've just written to me,

1:46:02.080 --> 1:46:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Donna's that's all accurate from my memory here. All of

1:46:05.200 --> 1:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>those things you just wrote to me are true. All

1:46:07.400 --> 1:46:12.200
<v Speaker 1>those statements are accurate. It is it is not let's

1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>be let's be serious about it. It It is not confidence

1:46:14.400 --> 1:46:18.160
<v Speaker 1>inspiring for the FBI's ability to intervene and deter. But

1:46:18.240 --> 1:46:20.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is a whole other discussion, and it's

1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:23.519
<v Speaker 1>not one that a lot of folks generally like to

1:46:23.560 --> 1:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>get into. But I'm not going to shy away from

1:46:26.000 --> 1:46:31.240
<v Speaker 1>it just because law enforcement exactly like law enforcement exists

1:46:31.240 --> 1:46:35.880
<v Speaker 1>to create the uh, the normalcy of data of a

1:46:35.960 --> 1:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>day to day life where you have an expectation of

1:46:39.160 --> 1:46:42.200
<v Speaker 1>some rule of law, some piece, some safety, some security,

1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:45.559
<v Speaker 1>all of that. Right, law enforcement also does a whole

1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:49.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of punishment after the fact for those who break

1:46:49.360 --> 1:46:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the law invested. A lot of investigations are about I

1:46:54.240 --> 1:46:57.960
<v Speaker 1>mean a vast majority of investigations are about what has happened,

1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and then you get into well, how do you stop

1:47:01.360 --> 1:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody who would be a mass shooter? That's similar conversations,

1:47:04.880 --> 1:47:06.880
<v Speaker 1>So how do you stop somebody who has radicalized and

1:47:06.920 --> 1:47:12.799
<v Speaker 1>would be a terrorist? And intervening and preventing someone from

1:47:12.840 --> 1:47:17.920
<v Speaker 1>taking an illegal action in the absence of illegal action

1:47:19.000 --> 1:47:23.240
<v Speaker 1>is not something that law enforcement excels at. And there

1:47:23.240 --> 1:47:26.439
<v Speaker 1>are some structural reasons for that law enforce in this case,

1:47:26.439 --> 1:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the FBI, but there are reasons for that.

1:47:31.040 --> 1:47:33.519
<v Speaker 1>One is that it's just really hard to do and

1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I understand that, right. So this is where we start

1:47:35.960 --> 1:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to get into pre crime, that Tom Cruise movie, that

1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:43.679
<v Speaker 1>whole notion of stopping someone before they do something bad

1:47:43.720 --> 1:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>because you know they're gonna do it, Well, how do

1:47:46.160 --> 1:47:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you really know? But then also you see how we

1:47:50.120 --> 1:47:52.479
<v Speaker 1>have a different approach in this country. I've mentioned this

1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to you before to what we do with intelligence versus

1:47:57.040 --> 1:48:01.479
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. You know, Britain has uh M I five,

1:48:01.760 --> 1:48:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Germany has the I believe it's the b f V.

1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:09.439
<v Speaker 1>The French have the d G S I. So there

1:48:09.439 --> 1:48:14.200
<v Speaker 1>are all these different European countries that take essentially an

1:48:14.200 --> 1:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>intelligence collection approach and apply it specifically to preventing things

1:48:19.920 --> 1:48:24.400
<v Speaker 1>from happening in those countries where and now whether they

1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:26.800
<v Speaker 1>do it better or not as a separate discussion, But

1:48:26.960 --> 1:48:31.200
<v Speaker 1>here we have the FBI is not really an intelligence agency,

1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:34.599
<v Speaker 1>it's a law enforcement agency, and there's always attention there.

1:48:35.200 --> 1:48:39.720
<v Speaker 1>So the intervention before the event can be tricky, right,

1:48:39.840 --> 1:48:42.559
<v Speaker 1>because you want to first of all, you have to know,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, and then also you have to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that if you do intervene, you have a sound

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<v Speaker 1>basis for it. You don't blow sources and methods, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't accelerate other planning that could be going on from

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<v Speaker 1>associated individuals. There's a lot of different moving pieces in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Preventing evil, venting wrong doing, preventing lawbreaking is a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot harder than punishing those who break the law. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a disparity that I don't think we

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<v Speaker 1>spend much time thinking about when we look at these events.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've gotten really good as a society at punishing lawbreakers.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gotten really good at you know, if you commit

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<v Speaker 1>a murder and you have any connection to the person,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a very good chance, very good chance you'll be charged,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you'll whether a jury of peers will go along,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can be a little more tricky sometimes. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's you know that, that's where we are right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's not a it's not an easy thing to

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<v Speaker 1>do to say, hey, you've got to stop people before

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<v Speaker 1>they take illegal acts. Now, before anyone starts yelling at me.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand in the case of the floor is shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>there were illegal acts, comments about illegal threats, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a basis for mental health intervention. I get

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<v Speaker 1>all that, But I'm just saying in general, so so

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<v Speaker 1>law enforces straight up did everyone's been saying It's true,

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<v Speaker 1>drop the ball on that. But in general, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be harder to stop somebody from doing something than

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<v Speaker 1>to punish people who do wrong and then hope that

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<v Speaker 1>that keeps the rest of us basically on line. In

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<v Speaker 1>line cade with the following I Good Morning Book I

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<v Speaker 1>have a request for you to send to your tech nerds.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a daily podcast listener and I often have trouble

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the podcast. Can you have the volume increased? Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm completely disgusted about what I saw on CNN last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure of seeing anything like it. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>they did something similar to Clinton or Obama regarding any

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<v Speaker 1>number of topics. Yeah, I'm I mean, that's I've been saying. Cade.

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<v Speaker 1>I am completely horrified by the whole thing too. Although

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't surprise me at all. I know CNN well

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<v Speaker 1>up close and personal, nothing about what happened. They're surprised me.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I was expecting it. I didn't watch it

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<v Speaker 1>because I knew it would happen, and then I realized, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was so grotesque that I have to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and watch it. So I did in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>wee hours of the morning last night. Um. But and

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<v Speaker 1>as to the podcast, the guys here telling me I

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<v Speaker 1>just need to speak in the Mike Moore, I get

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<v Speaker 1>very animated in the hut, and so sometimes I I

1:51:14.960 --> 1:51:19.840
<v Speaker 1>bounce around and you know, I uh, sometimes I'm moving

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<v Speaker 1>my hands around and stuff, and I forget that my

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<v Speaker 1>Mike is not near my mouth, So I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little more discipline. I'm gonna have greater

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<v Speaker 1>Mike disciplinestead of you know, people talking about muzzle discipline

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be safe. Uh, Mike discipline is something I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>work on here. With that, my friends, I am gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shut down the Freedom Hunt for the evening. But tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>we got a Freestyle Friday coming your way. I already

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<v Speaker 1>have some fun surprises in store for you. Hopefully, if

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<v Speaker 1>the news cycle cooperates, will have kind of a a

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<v Speaker 1>chilled out and relaxing show. I'm hoping that will be

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<v Speaker 1>possible to take us into the weekend. So get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for that, and until then, no matter what comes your way,

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<v Speaker 1>Shields Hi