1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Mr Garbutschof teared down this wall. Or either you're with 2 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: us or you were with the terrorists. If you've got healthcare, 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: all of it, then you can keep your plan. If 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: you are satisfied with Trump is not president of the 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: United States, take it to a bank. Together, we will 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: make America great again. It's what you've been waiting for 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: all day. The buck Sexton Show joined the conversation called 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: buck toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: That's eight four four nine hundred two eight to five 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: the Future of talk radio, buck Sexton. If your comments 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: this week and those of our president have been pathetically weak, Danilosh, 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: I want you to know that we will support your 13 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: two children in the way that we will not you 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: will not n Alright, Please just keep the money out 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: of Rubio, okay, if he wants to run again. Am 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: I supposed to have a kevlar vest? Am I supposed 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: to strap it to my leg or put it in 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: my desk? You just told this group of people that 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: you are standing up for them. You're not standing up 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: for them until so I don't left. I want to 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: thank Dana Lash of the n r A and also 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: Sheriff Scott Israel for being here to listen to your questions. 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: Why do we come back? Welcome to the buck Sex 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: and show everybody. It was a debacle last night, As 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: I knew it would be. The CNN forum on gun control. 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: Senator Marker Rubio showed up. I don't really know what 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: he thought he was accomplishing. He was there, and n 28 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: RA a spokesperson Dana lash my former colleague at the 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Blaze um and uh. I think very highly of Dana 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: and she did a uh an excellent job, particularly under 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: the circumstance this last night, trying to just give the facts, 32 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean, make the case, yes, but also just keep 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: the discussion based in reality. And you saw so much 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: last night, didn't you. If you, if you didn't get 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: a chance to watch it, you'll know enough for me 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: talking about it. Really, I can't advocate you spend an 37 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: hour of your time. It was. It was a gun 38 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: control show trial. It was. It was the worst kind 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:38,279 Speaker 1: of media political theater. People assembled were rude, they were nasty, 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: they were jeering. They even at one point called Dana 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: a murderer. Let me answer the question. Let me answer 42 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the question. You can shout me down when I'm finished, 43 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: but let me answer m this question. It is not 44 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: federal law for state. And if you heard it there 45 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: in the backgro someone and shouting out, you're a murderer. 46 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: How is how is the spokesperson for a group that 47 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: represents five million execut Amendment supporters a murderer? It's It's 48 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: defies logic and sense and reason. It's just it's a slander. 49 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: It's a slender. And yet if you watch what happened 50 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: last night, you see that it was really instructive. Actually, 51 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: it is something that was important for us to see 52 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: because the way this goes is pretty straightforward. Um that 53 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: they will they say they don't want to band guns. Right, 54 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: there's a tragedy. They say they don't want to band guns. 55 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: And then they say, come on, let's let's this is 56 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: a tragedy. It's so sad. We want to defend the children. 57 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Let's be reasonable. Let's be reasonable. Okay, let's talk. And 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: then that gets to talking, and it gets to the well, 59 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: what works and what doesn't and what are we willing 60 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: to what tradeoffs are we willing to make with regard 61 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: to liberty and rights for possible security? And it quickly 62 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: goes from be reasonable. Let's talk to Actually, we want 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: to band guns, and you better agree with us or 64 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: else here for child murder. It happens every time. It 65 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: happens every times, right out of the playbook. Come on, 66 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: just we we we just want solutions. We want solutions. Okay, 67 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: that won't let's talk solutions that won't solve it. Oh 68 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: you're you're in favor of child murder. It's despicable. It's despicable. 69 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: The only difference this time around is that the media 70 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: has students, both from the high school that suffered the 71 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: terrible tragedy, but also students just more broadly, a student 72 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: movement to be the vanguard of all of this, the 73 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: student movement that gives them some degree of protection from criticism. 74 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: That's the whole reason the mainstream media goes out there 75 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: are victims, That's the whole reason they put them forward, 76 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: because they want to advance policy ideas with the shield 77 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: of victimhood in front of them. So you're not allowed 78 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: to say, well, that's a bad idea, because then you're 79 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: a bad person. And we saw this last night the 80 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: mask dropped over at CNN. Although no one thinks that 81 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: CNN is anything other than an an anti gun political 82 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: action committee for all intents and purposes. Um. There are 83 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: a few other things I wanted to know here, and 84 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: one of them is that what we are seeing is 85 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: the truth of the anti gun movement. What you saw 86 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: last night in this CNN fiasco, UM, is that this 87 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: is really a vicious and emotional topic because the left 88 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: progressives have a disdain for the kind of people who 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: own guns. This is cultural tribalism masquerading as urgent social policy. 90 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: This is we we have to do this now. We 91 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: have to do this now to save the children. Well, 92 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: that won't save the children. You don't care about children, 93 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: You evil, monstrous hillbilly who likes guns. That's the way 94 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: the exchange goes. What happens each time we revisit this issue. 95 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: But one of the differences now, as I said, is 96 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: that there is a student movement that is being pushed 97 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: forward by the meeting at the forefront of US. They're 98 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: raising money, they are politically active. They're talking about a 99 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: major march along the lines of the Women's March in 100 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: d C. They want to have a march I think 101 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: in the month of March, and they've named their movement. 102 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: We haven't talked about that yet um. But they have 103 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: a name for the movement, never again. We are told 104 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: I saw a New Yorker piece that said that they 105 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: call it never again because one of the students who 106 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: was at the school just came up with that on 107 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: his own. Possibly, it's also not an accident that that 108 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: is the term that is being used. You'll notice You'll 109 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: notice that with the two major named political movements of 110 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: the anti Trump or the well the Trump administration, with 111 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: the anti Trump era, one is the resistance or hashtag resistance, 112 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: which is clearly supposed to link the efforts of the 113 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: anti Trump left with the anti fascist efforts of the 114 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: French underground during the Nazi occupation of France. That's why 115 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: they call it the resistance or a lot of resistance 116 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: or whatever, the resistance. That's why they chose the term. 117 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: That's why hashtag resistance is the way that they brand themselves. Now. 118 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: Never again is also not accidental. Never again generally has 119 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: for most people, evokes the promise of never again after 120 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: the Holocaust. In fact, never again, as a term which 121 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: is generally associated with the Holocaust, first appeared or was 122 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: first noted by the historian Raoul Hilberg, who said that 123 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: after the bucin Vould concentration camp was liberated in April 124 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: of n by US forces, one should note that there 125 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: were handmade signs that the inmates there upon their release, 126 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 1: created and put up never again, never again. That was 127 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: at buck involved, and that was after the Nazi exteriment 128 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: after the Second World War, which killed fifty million or 129 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: so and eleven million exterminated in the death the death camps, 130 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: six million of them Jews. So never again has a 131 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: very powerful connotation. It's very powerful slogan, very powerful phrase 132 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: with a deep, deep history attached to it, and that 133 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: is why that it's been chosen now for this movement 134 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: at this point in time. I will leave it to 135 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: you to decide whether this is uh, you know, the 136 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: calls to ban semiomatic rifles, or or whether the the 137 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: n r A, which is supposed to be the enemy 138 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: in this is somehow in any way, there's there's a 139 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: there's a parallel the Nazi Germany here. It seems to 140 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: me like that's this could be taken for um, this 141 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: could be politicized in ways that are just damaging to 142 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: any conversation, and that may in fact be the point right, 143 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: any moral, decent person is immediately repulsed by and feels 144 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: revulsion um when just thinking about the Holocaust. And in 145 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: this case, yes, any decent, moral person is repulsed by 146 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: a mass shooting at a school. But the way that 147 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: the term will be applied is that this is the 148 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: movement of never again with the moral authority of those 149 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: who opposed the Holocaust. In this case, they're opposing school shootings. 150 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: But if the n r A or anyone else stands 151 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: against them, you see, then they're opposed to never again. 152 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: If the n r A doesn't do what they say, 153 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: then they're opposed to never again, which, as we know, 154 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: evokes memories of and the thoughts of the Holocaust. And 155 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: that is why it has been chosen. Um. Given that 156 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about gun control right now, I think it's 157 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: important that we understand the terminology that everyone is using, 158 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: and I think it's important that we understand the facts. 159 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: So uh, we have seen what they really want here. 160 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: Last night there was cheering. There was cheering even when 161 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio mentioned the possibility of or what would happen 162 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: if you try to ban the air fifteen as you 163 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: would ban semi automatic rifles across the board, cheering. They 164 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: want that's what they really want to do. Oh, they 165 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: cheer for that. There was booing when Danta last tried 166 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: to be respectful and answer each one of their questions. 167 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: You see, It's it's not that the Second Amendment side 168 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: of this debate is unwilling to meet them on the 169 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: battle field of ideas, so to speak. It's not that 170 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment side shirks away from any of this. 171 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: Quite the contrary. It's that we are faced within emotional 172 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: movement that does not really particularly care all that much 173 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: about what the facts are of the pole sees that 174 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: they promote and the things they want. They just know 175 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: it feels right. It must be right because hashtag never again. 176 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Williamson over at National Review wrote the following I 177 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: thought this really got to the heart of this point 178 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: today quote. Our progressive friends enjoy boasting of their purportedly 179 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: evidence based approach to social problems, but when it comes 180 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: to firearms, it is pure culture camp for cultural culture fight. Firearms, 181 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: in their view, are an atavistic enthusiasm for rural primitives 182 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: and right wing militia nuts, a hobby that must be 183 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: tolerated if only barely because of some vestigial eighteenth century 184 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: political compromise. That's really how the left us gun control. 185 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: That's really how the left use the Second Amendment. I've 186 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: been saying it to you for quite some time here, 187 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: and that that scene informed last night. We saw it. 188 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: We had adults being snied and dismissive and and hateful 189 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,119 Speaker 1: toward individuals who literally are there to have a conversation 190 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: with them about this. I will also note that when 191 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: you compare the listening session that President Trump had at 192 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: the White House with that CNN forum last night, As 193 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: I've been telling you, one side of this issue at 194 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: least wants to discuss it and be serious about it. 195 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: The other wants to make it into a food fight, 196 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: wants to turn this into some kind of royal rumble 197 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: where everyone gets to just beat up on the big 198 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: bad and r A. We will talk a bit more 199 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: about where the policy stands. The Trump administration is saying 200 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: that stuff is gonna happen, and there's more they've added today. 201 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: In fact, there's something they just talked about right before 202 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: we came on air. I'm seeing here, so this is 203 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: not gonna be we just move on and forget about this. 204 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: I think we're heading for some changes here. We should 205 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: talk about what those maybe and what it will mean 206 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: if they are in fact enacted. UM, that's all coming up, 207 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: so stay with me. I have an appalling update for 208 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: all of you. UM, I have I have breaking news here. 209 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: Literally just hit just hit the Washington Post as we 210 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: are on air, and I was just talking to guys 211 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: about this in here, and we are just jaws on 212 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: the ground. You have got to be kidding me. The 213 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: armed sheriff's deputy who was on the grounds of the 214 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: Marjorie Douglas High School shooting went and occurred, took up 215 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: a position outside the school, and never when inside. You've 216 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: got to be kidding me. The armed sheriff's deputy new 217 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of rounds fired, one after another, reload reload, minutes, 218 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: passing defensive position, armed, never went inside the building. OK. 219 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: Cowardice isn't just on the battlefields, my friends. Sometimes cowardice 220 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: can happen here at home to right. Sometimes people just 221 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: don't have it in him. I don't know what to say. 222 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Uh as is just 223 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: how much worse can it get? From the law enforcement experience. 224 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: How much worse is it gonna get. Look, I've I've 225 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: got career law enforcement in my family, as you know, 226 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: I spent did a toward the n y P. I'm 227 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: just I'm not trying to beat up on law enforcement 228 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: in general here, but in this case, in this instance, 229 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: FBI doesn't follow up on the tip. They had to 230 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: apologize today local law enforcement. That sheriff last night at 231 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: the CNN for him pouncing on the n r A 232 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: all over Dana Lash. She's a politician. He was calling 233 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: for gun control right away. Didn't have any answers for 234 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: the dozens of calls that were made to police. They 235 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: showed up. And now we find out that the armed 236 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: resource officer at the Marjorie Douglas High School took a 237 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: quote defensive position outside and never went inside the frigging 238 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: building while kids were getting massacred inside. And he had 239 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: to know, bang bang bang, he's outside, Okay, adrenaline, bang bang, 240 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: he's outside, Okay, they're kids inside. People are dying, people 241 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: losing their lives, people are bleeding out. Maybe freezes for 242 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: ten seconds, maybe freeze or fifteen. That's ten or fifteen, 243 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: a lot longer than any of us any of us 244 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: would want. But look, we're all human, right. Three minutes. 245 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Three minutes never went inside the building. I didn't think, hey, 246 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: I've got this gun for a reason. I didn't think, hey, 247 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: there are going to be dozens of kids who never 248 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: see their parents again unless I actually go and take action. 249 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: They were holding this by the way, they had to be. 250 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: They were holding this information. They had to wait until 251 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: the narratives were in place, and to wait until a 252 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: few days week and past. Because my god, what are 253 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: we to make of this? FBI apologizing for a massive 254 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: foul up. Local law enforcement looking in this case, inept, 255 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: incapable of doing anything, couldn't have had more tips, more 256 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: red flags about the shooter, and then during the actual shooting, 257 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: During the actual shooting, this this guy never went inside. 258 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: Sheriff Israel suspended school resource deputy Scott Peterson on Thursday 259 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: after seeing a video from the park Land, Florida school 260 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter 261 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: was inside and attacking. Quote. What I saw was a 262 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: deputy arrived at the west side of Building twelve, take 263 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: up a position and never went in. Sheriff is Reel said, 264 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: Folks not that the deputy went in late. It's not 265 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: that the deputy froze for a moment, never went inside 266 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: the building. By the way, it might also be why 267 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: the shooter, cruise was found a mile from the school, 268 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: was able to walk away, almost got away. We've got 269 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: to talk more about this. Stay with me. So we're 270 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: just dealing with the breaking news here that happened while 271 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: we're on air that the armed deputy at the school 272 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: did nothing while the slaughter happened inside. Marjorie Douglas hi 273 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: waited outside, just didn't didn't do anything, and they saw 274 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: it on video and they have it on video. Wow. 275 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: You know one thing that we've seen here in this 276 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: whole terrible situation is that this has been this shooting 277 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: in Florida has shown it. It's it's massive failure of 278 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: the state police and FBI in this case. And this 279 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: armed resources officer I guess, deputized by the Sheriff's department, 280 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: and yet the response from so many people is to 281 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: just increase the role of the state at the expense 282 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: of the individual. This is where you see that big 283 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: philosophical difference. This is failure at so many levels. I 284 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I'm just I'm shocked. I assumed that 285 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: the armed resource officer, big school, big campus was uh yeah, 286 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: I just I just assumed was in another building, maybe 287 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: didn't even hear the first few gunshots. By the time 288 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: he got there, it was all over and it was 289 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: a blood bath. And you know, it's just terrible timing. 290 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: I didn't think was there now was there thirty seconds 291 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: into the three minutes of killing? Was there? You know? 292 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: But from the video and from the description of it, 293 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: he was. He took a defensive position while the shoot, 294 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: while the gunfire was still going on inside the building, 295 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: and we lost seventeen young men and women that day. 296 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: We could have lost a hundred. Right, You're the one 297 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: person there, you know. I know it's it's a lot 298 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: easier to profess how brave one would be under the 299 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: circumstances than to actually be that person. But this is 300 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: not this is not a close call. You are there, 301 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: one hope, there one possible good guy with a gun 302 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: on the scene, and you're you're not even gonna go 303 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: in the building. It's also complicates the discussion. I know 304 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: people are gonna say it shouldn't this is just the 305 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: actions of one person. But it seems that the most 306 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: favored policy outcome from the White House and the and 307 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: the Republicans, or at least from the White House, is 308 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: to armed teachers and or armed individuals within the schools right, 309 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: give people the proper training. And this was somebody with 310 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: the training and the mandate to protect students on the campus. 311 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: Not only did it not protect them, did nothing, did nothing. 312 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: I can I already see it. I see it on 313 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: CNN right now. They are they're already running Trump's comments 314 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: about how attacks would end if you armed trained teachers. 315 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: This is this is now. This is incredible the way 316 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: the media does this. And it's really happening in real 317 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: time right now, because the story just broke front page 318 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: of the Washkin Post while I was on air with you. 319 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: It just happened out. No, no one, not on the 320 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: other shows have known about this today because it wasn't released, 321 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't yet out of the news. What you're seeing 322 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: is the cowardice of this one individual or who's fired 323 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: from his or resigned I should say suspended, and then 324 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: he resigned so as not to be fired. So law 325 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: and it's not like law enforcements circling this guy, circling 326 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: around this guy and saying you know, hey, hey, you 327 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: know this followed protocol toughs into that. They they're like, 328 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: he's gone. That is being used as a way of 329 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: undermining the White House's position on training people and arming them. 330 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: That's what this turns into right away. This one guy 331 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: did not do and look at gonna haunt in the 332 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: rest of his life. And obviously we all know this. 333 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: So but this one individual refused to answer the call 334 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: and it was his obligation to do so. And yet 335 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: now it's already turning into a the media pivot is 336 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: because he did nothing, no one else in a similar 337 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: circumstance would do something. Therefore, the White House's position on 338 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: this is foolish. The White Houses moved to push for 339 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: greater teaching of firearms instruction and tactics to people in schools, 340 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: concealed carry, more armed resource officer, all all those things. 341 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: We haven't yet gotten down in the specifics of how 342 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: it would be rolled out. But it's being used to 343 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: undermine that. Well, I look at that. Oh, a sheriff 344 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: Israel who was at that last night, was at the 345 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: forum with Dana ash and Marco Rubio. Uh, he knew 346 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: about this. They were keeping this one. They were keeping 347 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: this one quiet. They had to wait for the you know, 348 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: they had to wait for things to get in place 349 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: before anyone knew about this. It's it's pretty remarkable actually 350 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: when you think about it, that we had heard so 351 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: little about the school resources officer. We hadn't really heard 352 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: ruiser might did we know? We just knew there was 353 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: one on campus, right, There was nothing beyond that, there 354 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: was no nothing. And this has been the biggest news 355 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: story in the country now for a week. And somehow 356 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: this was kept entirely under wraps u something. Something doesn't 357 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: wash for me with all that in terms of just 358 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: how this wasn't known or didn't no one. No one 359 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: in the media knew this until today. Let's find that 360 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: hard to believe. No one was asking questions and getting 361 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: a weird feeling when the sheriff wasn't given the answers 362 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: about where was your armed resources deputy? Hmm? What do 363 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: you think about this? Is this going to change? Does 364 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: it change at all your sense of whether arming teachers 365 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: or arming faculty school personnel, either in a concealed carry 366 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: capacity or you know, in an open carry official armed 367 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: officer capacity. Do you think that that's still the way 368 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: to go. Does it change? You're thinking at all about 369 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: any of this? You think it's going to change? The 370 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: White House is thinking. I'm this was quite an addition 371 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: into the discussion here. I obviously didn't know we're gonna 372 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: be talking about this at all. Eight four four to five, 373 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: eight four nine hundred buck team. I want to hear 374 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: from you on this, so let me know and we'll 375 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: be right back. Start looking at how easy it is 376 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: to get around it. You would literally have a band 377 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: every semi automatic rifle. Fair enough, I sing out of 378 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: thousands of people cheering ban every semi automatic rifle and 379 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: r A took a lot of heat last night at 380 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: that CNN for him. Marco Rubio took a lot of 381 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: heat last night and Dana last two although didn't didn't 382 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: bother Dana one bit, although she did say that somebody 383 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: yelled out burn her, which is horrific. You know, Dana 384 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: is a person, is a nice person. It's a wife, mom. 385 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: Someone's yelling burning her. I don't care what the crowd 386 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: there thinks that their movement is all about and everything. 387 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: Oh you don't yell burn her at a stranger. You 388 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: don't yell murderer to somebody who's literally done nothing. I 389 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: figured this wouldn't happen, and we've got every single line. 390 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: Lets let's get into this. Um Uh, David and Mississippi 391 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: welcome to Freedom of David. What do you think, hey, 392 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: I think uh, I think the timing just sucks. Buck. 393 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was on cn and My night 394 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: talking about how we should ban you know, all the 395 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: a R fifteens. I think this just says that he's 396 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: a coward. Because clearly his deputy was a coward. We 397 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: had a school full of brave teachers and coaches who 398 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: took bullets. They were brave. He was the coward. And 399 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: I would say this that the sheriff is a coward too. 400 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: And you know clearly, you know, if his deputy is 401 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: a coward, he must have learned from the sheriff. How 402 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: could that? I mean, just if if you haven't seen it, 403 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you go back that as sheriff is reel. 404 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: Uh was so smug last night on stage, I mean 405 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: just lecturing the n r A, lecturing America, and his 406 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: department fell down on the job so in so many ways. 407 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: And now we find this out and he knew he 408 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: was lecturing the country, and he was talking about gun 409 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: control and acting like he's Mr. I was in law 410 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: enforcement thirty years. I know what to do here. Well, 411 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: didn't know how to train his deputy apparently. Yeah, well, yeah, 412 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: thanks for calling in, and I appreciate it. Uh. Mike 413 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: in Danbury, Connecticut, Hey Mike, Yeah, okay, and listen, this 414 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: is this is smelling more Las Vegas. On my unknown 415 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: questions if the character was outside, there were two people 416 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that were killed 417 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: outside the school. Whether they were students or what, I 418 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: don't remember. Yeah, some people were killed outside. Yeah. Yeah. 419 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: The day of the tragedy, the sheriff said that the 420 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: guy was out round of the golf cart someplace else. 421 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: He was far from the school. He wasn't near the school. 422 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, he said. He really he misled 423 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: the public on the on the I'd have to check 424 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: on that, but if that's true, that's particularly egregious. Yeah, 425 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, I I'd have to have to go back 426 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: and second that too. But I remember clearly the watching 427 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: him in the live news conference that day saying that 428 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: the you know, this guard was was off someplace, off 429 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: on his cart and the The other thing is if 430 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: this guy is on video outside that school and there's 431 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: two bodies out there, did he call headquarters or did 432 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: somebody from inside the school called nine one? One good question? 433 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: You know. That's all I can tell you is that 434 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: right now, the headline the Washington the headline you're seeing 435 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: splashed all over the media is did quote nothing, which 436 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: to me sounds like maybe he just crouched down outside 437 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: the building. And you know, I'm assuming he pulled his 438 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: weapon but didn't do anything. Yeah, you know, but there's 439 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: now there's more questions all of a sudden, what the 440 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: hell's going on here? And the media is going to 441 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: stay on with the kids who are are rightfully grieving 442 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: and everything else and all this other stuff. But let's 443 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: come back to some basic tactical questions here. You know, 444 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: are the police and those people really prepared in case 445 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: there's something happening in the school? You know, did somebody 446 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: profile this, this policeman, this guard outs I had to 447 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: see if in fact he would do something. People gave 448 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: me a lot of people gave me a rough time, 449 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: including friends of mine from the law enforcing community when 450 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: I talked about this. But you know, the Pulse nightclub shooting. 451 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: They had they had officers, multiple officers with long guns 452 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: on the scene within minutes. And originally there was this 453 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: story about how you know there was a bomb inside, 454 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: but that actually wasn't true. They didn't think there was 455 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: a bomb till later and the shooting was still ongoing. 456 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: With what it was was effectively, uh, you know officers. 457 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: I think there were five or six of them with 458 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: with a RS and body armor on the scene and 459 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: they waited outside. I said, look, I wasn't there, and 460 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: if that's protocol, then we need to discuss this. But 461 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: it seemed to me like if people are bleeding out 462 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: and they're still active shooting going on, you can't just 463 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: set up a perimeter and say, you know, we're gonna 464 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: see how we're gonna see what happens when backup gets here. Um. 465 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: But you know, people got mad at me with that, 466 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: But I had I had other law enforcement. I had 467 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: had people who were in decades and squad who are like, no, 468 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: they should have gone in. So you know, with this case, 469 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: it's just one guy and it's all writing on him 470 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: and his you know, oh gosh, I don't know his 471 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: his cowardice here they have cost lives. I don't know 472 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: how else to say it. And that's why the President 473 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: when he said, you know, special training, that's what he's 474 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: talking about. You know, you profile and say, okay, is 475 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: this person qualified technically and is he prepared psychologically? Military 476 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: people obviously are, and but this guard was the ending 477 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: that time, and then if he hit behind the bushes 478 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: and all this going on, it really says that the 479 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: department itself was not prepared. Jeff Israel is great at 480 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: calling for gun control. Mike, thanks for calling it from Connecticut. Man, 481 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Jerry in Greensboro, North Carolina. Hey, Jerry, 482 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: Hey man, I appreciate you taking a call. Thank you. Yeah, 483 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, you know, I'm in law 484 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: enforce myself, and I know it's just it really, uh 485 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: turns my gut to think that somebody would have not 486 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: went in when they carry the bat as and and 487 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: try to take care of the situation. You know, they 488 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: trained us that, you know, when something like this happens, 489 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: you don't wait for us. You go in and you 490 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: deal with what's going on. And uh, I just was 491 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: I was thinking that, you know, and not talking trash 492 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: about anybody but sometimes some of these school resource officers 493 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: that are put into place, they're put there for a 494 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: reason and they're not out on the street every day. 495 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I hate to say it like that, 496 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: but and Jerry, look, they're not you know, they're not 497 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: you know officers in in cities that have a you know, 498 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: a real I mean, look, I I had a family 499 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: I had a family member who was lap D and 500 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: a family member who worked, uh, you know for well. 501 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: I won't get into all of it, but there's a 502 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: real spree to corps that's a part of some of 503 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, the major law enforce and organizations across the country. 504 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: There's a real spree to corps at a well run 505 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: sheriff's department, a well run local p D, and you 506 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: know some guy who's kind of out there by himself. 507 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't really know how this works, but yea, at 508 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: some level, you know, if somebody's amall cop, you're not 509 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: gonna expect them to be able to leap into action 510 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: like a guy who's been doing squad for a decade, right, 511 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: And that's yeah. And they told us in patrol school, Hey, 512 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: there's those that are meant to call the police, and 513 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: those that are meant to be the police, and some 514 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: people just they just don't have it in them, you know. 515 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: And we got to be able to weed those folks 516 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: out and say, hey, you just if you're not gonna 517 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: make it, then we can't put you in a school 518 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: to protect our children. Yeah. Well, because obviously, as you 519 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: well know as a law enforcement officer yourself, Jerry, in 520 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: this case, you've got a guy here who the the 521 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: assumption and the obligation is he is the armed person 522 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: on campus for this very unlikely eventuality. But it did happen, right, 523 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: I mean, and he has to be the guy, and 524 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: that he didn't go in. It's just it just adds 525 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: so much. There's just been so much in competence and 526 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: and just failure, failure after failure of authorities leading up 527 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: to this. But Jerry, hey, thank you for what you do. Man. 528 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, thank you for your perspective, and just man, 529 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: it's a gut punch, I really. I mean, the guys 530 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: were with me when I read that. I just couldn't 531 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: believe it. You gotta add that into the mix here too. 532 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: That didn't stop it. FBI didn't follow up on the tip. 533 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: FBI couldn't figure out you know in true name? You know, 534 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the FBI can find Russians who are operating 535 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: out of an office building in St. Petersburg, who are 536 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: setting up fake social media accounts and get us all 537 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: that info, but didn't want to track down the I'm 538 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a professional school shooter in true name, which 539 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: keep in mind, if they had looked up the name 540 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: and looked at all these other pieces would have been 541 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: quite clear they had a real problem on their hands. 542 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: Richard in a Gulfport, Mississippi hair Richard, thank you for 543 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: taking my call. Thank you. I would like to point 544 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: out that all of this from the FBI is so 545 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: called incompetence, all the way down to the sheriff's department 546 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: after they've been called of the guy's house. What was 547 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: at thirty nine times? The FBI keeps records on who 548 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: buys guns, so they knew about the A R fifteen. 549 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: Nobody seemed to do anything, Nobody seemed to pay any attention, 550 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: and I firmly believe they knew all about this guy. Now, 551 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: I will point out that as soon as the shooting 552 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: was over, the scripts were written. The people that were 553 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: going to do the talking. We're already ready to go. 554 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: The buses were rented, new buses, the whole plan of 555 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: action was laid out, and it was like in twenty 556 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: four hours, which leads me to believe this was nothing 557 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: but a set up to try to take in the way, 558 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: to try to do away with a second Amendment. Richard, I, 559 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: I it's I gotta disagree with you. I don't think 560 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: there's not a conspiracy here in front of the event. 561 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: I think that afterwards there's a lot that's going on 562 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: here that we've been talking about. But I don't think 563 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: that this was I don't think that this was orchestrated. 564 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: I gotta leave I gotta leave it there for now. 565 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: It's going to hard break, but I I have to 566 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: I have to strongly disagree on that point. But I 567 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: appreciate perspectives here on the show, even when I think 568 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: they're wrong. Um, we are going to roll in a break. 569 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about this and also get into some 570 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: Russia collusion and whatnot, and then we'll talk immigration third hour. 571 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: So stick around. The n r A is ready to 572 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: do things, and you know, people like to blame them, 573 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: and they do have power and all of that, but 574 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: they want to do that. They want to They actually 575 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: came up with, uh certain of the rules and regulations 576 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: that we have now, but we're gonna have to tough 577 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: And I told them, I said, we're gonna have to 578 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: toughen them up because it doesn't make anybody look good. 579 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: And most importantly, I saw the devastation of these families. 580 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: We can't allow that to happen. General John Kelly, so 581 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: he's a four star Marine, he's a tough cookie. So 582 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: if he's a teacher, and of other friends of his 583 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: from the marine, if they're teaching or other people like that, 584 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: I want them to have a gun. But more importantly, 585 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: nobody's going to attack that school because they know General 586 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: Kelly is the history teacher. He's teaching about how we 587 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: win wars, okay, and he's got a concealed weapon. But 588 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna know he's got to concer because we tell 589 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: them that the bullets are gonna be flying in the 590 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: other direction. You're not gonna have these attacks if you 591 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: do that. Welcome to our two of the buck Sexton Shoe. Everyone, 592 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: So we are dealing with the new information breaking news 593 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: from the last hour that the Sheriff's deputy at the 594 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: Marjorie Douglas scho Woll did nothing during the shooting. There 595 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: you at President Trump earlier the day talking about what 596 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: has become the primary response policy response preferred by this 597 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: White House to the school shooting, which would be to 598 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: armed teachers. And now already I'm sitting here on CNN 599 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the bottom third of the screen, 600 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: Trump calls for arming some teachers. Sheriff reveals an armed 601 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: deputy at school did nothing during shooting. See in real time, 602 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: they are turning this new information into a critique of 603 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: the administration's policy. Sheriff Israel knew last night at the 604 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: CNN forum that his deputy did nothing, and he was 605 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: just full of all kinds of gun grabbing, antisecond amment 606 00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: ideas to deal with this very very grandstanding Jariff Israel 607 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: last night and now here we are looking at this 608 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: new information. This is what the left is gonna do. 609 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: They're gonna say, forget about army teachers, it means and 610 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: what they teachers faculty, anyone can still carry armed resource officers. 611 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: They're going to say that this incident shows because this 612 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: one deputy didn't do anything, that's not a that's not 613 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: an action that can be taken to try to make 614 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: our schools safer. Now, a lot of you would say, well, 615 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: just because somebody doesn't do the job doesn't mean somebody 616 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: else wouldn't do the job. And we shouldn't base policy 617 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: on the actions of one incompetent coward. Right, That's not 618 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: the way we should view But that's the way this 619 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: is going to go politically. This is how the conversation 620 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: will go. You're already hearing a lot of a lot 621 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: of people just pushing down this idea, saying that putting 622 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: down this idea of saying that it was going nowhere. 623 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: Here's a earlier in the day before we even knew 624 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: about the the deputy. Here's what a teacher at CNA 625 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: on CNN said about Trump's proposal. Diana, Diana, No, that's ridiculous. 626 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: That that's just ridiculous and have felt more safe. You 627 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't have felt more safe if you had been armed. 628 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just asking that's the president's propose. It 629 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: would have been more mayhem. It would have been more mayhem. No, 630 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: the teachers got into this. To teacher, I'm in my 631 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: twentieth year with Broward's schools guns that did not come 632 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: into my head when I went to study to be 633 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: a library media specialist. That's just ridiculous. Come on, we 634 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: we have we have a sergeant there at our school. 635 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: It didn't stopped the shooter. He was there, he was 636 00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: not afraid that we had someone that was armed. Come on, No, No, 637 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: Now that that teacher looks she's titled her opinion, I 638 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: understand and respect that. That's fine. No one is saying 639 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: that every teacher has to be armed. No one saying 640 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: that teachers that don't want to be armed should be armed. 641 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: The issue here would be should there at least be 642 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: an option for schools to have concealed Remember, schools are 643 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: gunn free zones. So unless you are deputized, unless you 644 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: are a resources officer for the Sheriff's department or the 645 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: local PD or whatever, you can't just be a person, 646 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: a private citizen who works or for that man. Ever. 647 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: Talking about colleges for example, you know you could be 648 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 1: a student, uh who works there and wants to carry 649 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: to be safer. But they're making seem like, oh, they're 650 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: just gonna force everyone to be walking around. You know, 651 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna have librarians carrying m fors with EO TEX sites. 652 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time. Like, no one's saying that, 653 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: but the implication is that this is what we're gonna 654 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: turn all of the Yeah, ethel the lunch lady is 655 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: going to turn into dirty Harry or something here. I mean, 656 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: that's not that's not what the policy is supposed to be. 657 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: So they don't need to ask somebody was literally saying 658 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: she studied librarian services or whatever. Though I'm sure there's 659 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: some librarians that enjoy their Second Amendment rights too, But 660 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, she's not the person that they're necessarily 661 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,760 Speaker 1: going to say you should be the concealed carry permit 662 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: holder on this campus in the event of I just 663 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: I look, I don't do conspiracies here. You know that. 664 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: And I you know, I'd never like to be uh, 665 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: dismissive or or snappy or snippy with any of our 666 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 1: snappy pardoner with snappy dresser, snippy with any of our callers. 667 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,919 Speaker 1: But I also have to keep it in the realm 668 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: of reality here. And if I think a conspiracy is 669 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: way too far off, I'll tell you, and I'll try 670 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: to do so to the anyone who forwards one as 671 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: respectfully as I can. That's said. Maybe I'm going off 672 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: the rail us here right now, because I do not 673 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: believe that no one knew that the sheriff's deput that 674 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: that this whole week past, and no one in the media, 675 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: no one in the policy circles knew that the sheriff's 676 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: deputy didn't do anything. Obviously a lot of it I 677 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: didn't know, a lot of us didn't know. And I 678 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: don't believe that this was this ironclad secret. And uh, 679 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: I just have I have a hard time with that. 680 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,359 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what to make other other 681 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: than just to tell you that to me, it seems 682 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: it seems very uh, it seems very unlikely. You had 683 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: the Broward County school superintendent also talking about giving teachers 684 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: guns in his opposition to it. Some of the dialogue 685 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,959 Speaker 1: that I've heard recently is about army teachers. We don't 686 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: need to put guns at the hands of teachers. Do 687 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: you know what we need? We need to arm our 688 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: teachers with more money in their pocket. Let teacher comp 689 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: station benefits at working conditions be part of this national 690 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,399 Speaker 1: debate as well. I mean, you want to talk about 691 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: shameless here's the guy's basically, yeah, we need to keep 692 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: our kids safe from school shootings, which means more teacher 693 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: over time, because that will prevent shootings somehow. And that 694 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: was pretty breathtaking, wasn't it. We need to have a 695 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: talk about teacher compensation now, now is the time to 696 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: talk about paying teachers. No, No, that was not the 697 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: time to talking about raising teacher wages. I mean, this 698 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: has become very politicized in so many different ways, so 699 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: many different ways, and it's uh gross. You'd think that 700 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: we could all come together on this and see this 701 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: from the perspective of just doing what's best. I know, 702 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: this is a phrase is that you hear and a 703 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: lot of people roll their eyes, but you know, do 704 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: what's best for the children. That's what we would like 705 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: to do, like keep our kids safe. We all want 706 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: the same thing. We all want school shootings, and we 707 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: all want children to be safe when they're in school, 708 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: and you know, young adults and people on college campuses. 709 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: Everyone to be safe. But you know, it doesn't help 710 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: the victory. All the nastiness, the tribalism, the sense that 711 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,439 Speaker 1: the real enemy is the n r A. The real 712 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,280 Speaker 1: enemy are people who speak in favor of the Second Amendment. 713 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: You know, they're saying that while there is a bigger 714 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: opening now for Second Amendment defenders and advocates than I 715 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,760 Speaker 1: have seen in my adult lifetime. Uh, there's a bigger 716 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: opening now for some kind of compromise or action to 717 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 1: be taken, and yet you still have a tremendous amount 718 00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: of nastiness. In fact, Uh, Dana La, who was at 719 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: the CNN form last night, said, I mentioned this before, 720 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: but I wanted to hear from her that. You know, 721 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: she she was worried about getting out of there safely. 722 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: You heard that town hall last night. They cheered the 723 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: confiscation of firearms and it was over five thousand people. 724 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 1: I had to have a security detail to get out. 725 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to exit that if I 726 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: did not have a private security detail. There were people 727 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: rushing the stage and screaming burn her. And I came 728 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: there to talk solutions, and I still I am going 729 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: to continue that conversation on solutions, as the NR has 730 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: been doing for before I was alive. So we're talking solutions, 731 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: and yet people are saying burn her and calling her 732 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: a murderer and all kinds of just and by the way, 733 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 1: you know, it's not okay. It's not okay if you 734 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: were a student in that high school to call someone 735 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: a murderer who did nothing wrong. It's not okay to 736 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 1: yell for violence at a public form and televised discussion 737 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: like that. And it's just there's no excuse. It was 738 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: happening a lot who and then there's the booing and 739 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: the hissing and the shouting and all the other stuff 740 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,799 Speaker 1: that was going on there. It was interesting to see 741 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: that CNN doesn't even pretend I think it was what 742 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: was it a week or two ago? I told you 743 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: I would have been last week and last week that 744 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,720 Speaker 1: I knew someone who was invited to speak at at 745 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,399 Speaker 1: another form after Newtown CNN, and they sat without telling 746 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,240 Speaker 1: the person he was supposed to be a second amate defender. 747 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: They sat him in uh literally surrounded by the parents 748 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: of those who had lost children at Newtown, and they 749 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: would ask him to stand up in that circumstance and 750 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,800 Speaker 1: be the guy who's defending the Second Amendment in the 751 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: n r A. Now, a lot of you would say, well, 752 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: the argument is the argument. It doesn't matter if he's around. Yeah, 753 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,399 Speaker 1: I understand that, but clearly it was orchestrated to make 754 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: him as uncomfortable as possible, to make the emotions of 755 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: the moment as difficult as Paul civil. And that's just 756 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,359 Speaker 1: the way they do things over there. So why I 757 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: left and never looked back. Uh anyway, And I know 758 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: a lot of your thoughts on this to wait, do 759 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: we have some of Uh, well, we'll we'll come back. 760 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: We've got some updates from Sheriff Israel, whose deputy just 761 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: waited outside while his terrible shooting was going on. Um, 762 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: I you know, I would offer to you that not 763 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: only do what I expect that anyone who has charged 764 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: with as their you know, as part of their job, 765 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: their obligation, they would go in and try to help 766 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 1: and try to save children and yeah, and take a 767 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 1: risk that there would be a risk. But I think 768 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: any if you walk down the street and you had 769 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,879 Speaker 1: a vast majority of able bodied a Americans, if you said, 770 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a side arm, 771 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: and you're in that situation and you know there's a 772 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 1: school and his kids and there's gunfire, I just think 773 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: a vast majority of people would would say, you know, 774 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: got gotta do something. I gotta do something, oh man, 775 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: rough stuff. Eight four to five, eight four nine buck. 776 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: We'll we'll have that statement from Sheriff Israel, who's been 777 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: very chatty, very chatty about gun control. Let's see what 778 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: it is to say about what happened that day. Now 779 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: that we have more information, we'll be back with that 780 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: more Stay with me. We're not going to disclose the 781 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: video at this time, and we may never disclose the 782 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: video depending on the prosecution and the criminal case. But 783 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 1: what I saw was a deputy arrive at the west 784 00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: side of Building twelve take up a position, and he 785 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 1: never went in. He never went in. Folks, let me 786 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: tell you something. That video Actually, we're gonna see it. 787 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna they're they're gonna hold onto it for as 788 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: long as they can. Uh. I never advocate for this 789 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: kind of thing at all, But you know, I'm just 790 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,320 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to allude to that or anything. 791 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: But I this guy who did not go in, I'm 792 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 1: sure he's going to They're gonna be safety concerns for him. 793 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: So that's a legitimate safety concerns for I think that 794 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: the I think that they're worried about letting the video 795 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: out for the time being, maybe they'll get a judge 796 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: under that for or for that reason to withhold this 797 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: from the public. But I don't know. I think we're 798 00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: gonna see this video and it's gonna be bad. You 799 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: can be sure of that. If this was a close call. 800 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,879 Speaker 1: You heard that, you're the sheriff there. Now that now 801 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: that it's out right, now that we're not the video, 802 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,239 Speaker 1: but the facts of this, the description of what was 803 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: in that video now we know. So just so we're 804 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: all on the same page here, the FBI dropped the ball. 805 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 1: Local law enforcement dropped the ball. The security feed twenty 806 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: minutes delayed in the school also was so messed up 807 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: technologically that it made it hard for them to figure 808 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: out who the shooter was and find him more quickly 809 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: after the shooting. And then the sheriff's deputy just waited 810 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: outside did nothing. But as many are saying, yeah, but 811 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: the n R the n R A is is the 812 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: problem here. That's what do we have? Do We have 813 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: the sheriff from last night, By the way, play the 814 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: sheriff from last night. This is this is what he 815 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: was sounding like last night. First and responsible is the 816 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: agent or the detective or the person who received a 817 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 1: tip and didn't exercise the dude dill legence and took 818 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: it where they needed to be. All that being said, 819 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,399 Speaker 1: when I'm asking the law makes to give police all 820 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: over this country is more power. So he's beating up 821 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: on the FBI. There's the sheriff. W I think I've 822 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,440 Speaker 1: heard is like a friend of Debbie Wasserman Schultz is 823 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,560 Speaker 1: by the way, I think I've heard that. I think 824 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 1: that maybe that may not be true. Maybe somebody's meant that, 825 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,320 Speaker 1: like in the metaphorical sense of a friend of Debbie 826 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,920 Speaker 1: Wasserman Schultze is as he's a left winger. But uh, 827 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,719 Speaker 1: the sheriff's beating up on the FBI and local law 828 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 1: enforcement showed up at this guy's house has got dozens 829 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 1: of calls involved with him. Right, the FBI missed an 830 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: online tip, not good, but and then missed the tip 831 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: that was called in with all the details. That's worse. 832 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 1: That was really bad. But the sheriff is beating up 833 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: on the FBI. Meanwhile, he knows that his deputy was 834 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: the one person on the scene who might have been 835 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: to bring this to an end and save lives in 836 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: the process, and just completely inexcusable laps, a completely inexcusable laps. 837 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 1: And then you see the philosophical divide there for a moment, 838 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: the one that I talked about at the beginning of 839 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,919 Speaker 1: the show. There you see what really separates the two 840 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: signs here. The state big es state failed at every 841 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 1: single level here, failure upon failure upon failure. And what 842 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: is the refrain you here from the left? What does 843 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: the sheriff say we need to do to fix this? 844 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,360 Speaker 1: Give the state more power? The state didn't use the 845 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: power that it had. Give the state more power. The 846 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 1: state didn't fulfill the obligations that it had. Give the 847 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,840 Speaker 1: state more power. This is why it's so hard to 848 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,719 Speaker 1: find common ground on this issue. We're not seeing the 849 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 1: same things occurring here, right. This is and appalling and 850 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:14,400 Speaker 1: appalling and a disgraceful series of events leading up to 851 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: enduring this shooting. And we are told that the answer is, 852 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,719 Speaker 1: by the way, banned guns. What will the answer, What 853 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,040 Speaker 1: will the answer be if they did even ben Let's 854 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: say they just banned all semi and all new sales 855 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,840 Speaker 1: of semi automatic, right, which is not going to happen. 856 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: But let's say they banned that, or they banned. All 857 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: are fifteens. If you have them, they're grandfathered in. But otherwise, 858 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,840 Speaker 1: and again it's not gonna happen. What's the discussion after 859 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: the next school shooting and it's a handgun, it's gonna 860 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: be a banned handgun, right, it has to be because 861 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,320 Speaker 1: if the logic of the air and Air fifteen was 862 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,840 Speaker 1: used the shooting, therefore we ban air fifteens, they're going 863 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 1: to apply the same logic. Two, Well, a handgun as 864 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,800 Speaker 1: was there And as we know, the Virginia Tech shooting 865 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: the biggest uh massacre in a school in the country. Actually, 866 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: I think the single biggest loss of life in the 867 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: school in school history or in the history of any 868 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: school involved. The massacre was a bomb a very long 869 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: time ago. I'll look up the specifics of it. I'm 870 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,680 Speaker 1: pretty sure about that, like a way way back when. 871 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,400 Speaker 1: But with with firearm it was pistol. So they're the 872 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: next thing will be handguns. Pistols, that'll be the the next one. 873 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,760 Speaker 1: It has to be right or else what's the logic 874 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: of the first decision. But it's not gonna stop any 875 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,719 Speaker 1: school shootings, as we know, all right, I've I've I've 876 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,439 Speaker 1: been going on at some length here. I know we've 877 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,800 Speaker 1: had not only every line lip, but I know people 878 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,200 Speaker 1: are people are sending me emails and Facebook messages. Want 879 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: to get through what I got a lot to say. 880 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,160 Speaker 1: I want to get through. We're gonna rack and stack 881 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 1: them right now. Team, We're gonna hear from a lot 882 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: of you. So eight four four to five. As the 883 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,960 Speaker 1: lines open, as we take calls, spots will open up, 884 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: and I want to hear from you. So we'll get 885 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 1: into this and we'll be right back. I did feel 886 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,120 Speaker 1: like this opportunity was more successful than I anticipated. Um. 887 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,839 Speaker 1: I felt that President Trump was very sincere and diplomatic 888 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,200 Speaker 1: about his responses UH talking about during the discussion and after. 889 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: I do believe that action will be taken by the 890 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: President and the government of the United States, and that 891 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 1: gun control will be in effect and changes near Se 892 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: had some of the students from Marjorie Douglas High School 893 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: that we're at the Trump listening session, willing to say 894 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 1: that I thought it was it was a good, worthwhile event, 895 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: and they think change is coming. What do you think 896 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: about all this? But there's also there's gosh, I got 897 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: breaking news here. Muller has filed thirty two new charges 898 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: against Manafort and Gates. I've been thinking that superseding indictment 899 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 1: was coming for a while. That is what this is. 900 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 1: But this is the hammer again, Maniford, and this is 901 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 1: dropping the hammer man of Fort and Gates are in 902 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: h and for you know, some some rough times. It's 903 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: not good because this is uh the tax for all 904 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 1: tax evasion. These penalties are these penalties get stiff now 905 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,479 Speaker 1: it's just allegations. Who knows right and also has nothing 906 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 1: to do with Russia collusion or Trump or do they go? 907 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,920 Speaker 1: This is all stuff that happened before the Trump campaign. 908 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: But this is what special counsels do. Special counsels have 909 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: to justify their existence. And you never want a bureaucrat 910 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: with a lot of power who has to justify his 911 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 1: or her existence. Not good, not good for liberty, not 912 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 1: good for the rule of law. All right, every line, lid, 913 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 1: come on, buck stop talking. Uh Danny in Batesville, Arkansas? 914 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: What's up? Danny? Hey man? How you doing tonight? I'm 915 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,520 Speaker 1: all right, thanks Danny. Hey listen, I'm on the other side, 916 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 1: I guess, but I got ant to caveat to this, 917 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, I man, it's ago more than thirty years 918 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: without discussing my service in the Marines, because I served, 919 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the Vietnam War. It 920 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,840 Speaker 1: was an aspective popular war, and at the end, everybody 921 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: was just trying to get out. Nobody wanted to be 922 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: the last one to get killed, you know. But I 923 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: was barely eighteen years old the first time I came 924 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,160 Speaker 1: under fire, and the only thing I really remember was 925 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,560 Speaker 1: keying all over myself. Okay, So I mean, you never 926 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,400 Speaker 1: know what someone's gonna do. Now, I'm not defending at 927 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: that that deputy, but yeah, I understand he's been a 928 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 1: deputy since nine six. But I also heard something about 929 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,280 Speaker 1: this a couple of days ago that they were looking 930 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: at his action. So it may have just popped on 931 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: the news today, but there's been there's been an undercurrent 932 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000 Speaker 1: about about what this guy, what this guy did? You 933 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: know that I can remember, you know. I mean, it 934 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: actually wasn't until I was hit with trapnel from a 935 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,400 Speaker 1: mortar around and I'm pretty sure it was one of ours, 936 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: because it was a Willie feed around the white fospher's round, 937 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm trying to dig the white fosphers 938 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 1: out of my arm. Well, I actually remember starting to 939 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: fire my weapon. You know, you don't know what's going 940 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: to happen in a situation like that. All these brave 941 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,720 Speaker 1: deep we want to call I'll do this and I'll 942 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,919 Speaker 1: do that. Look, if it would been kids and I'd 943 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,040 Speaker 1: have been there, I'm pretty sure i'd have ran in there. 944 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,080 Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't know what for certainly need 945 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,040 Speaker 1: to do you and nobody else does. So all these 946 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: all these armchair armchair quarterbacks and and call a duty 947 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 1: brave guys, you know, they just don't know how they're 948 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: gonna act in something like this. But I'm gonna take 949 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: you so with Danny. But I need Danny. And let 950 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,440 Speaker 1: first off, we all respect your service, and I appreciate 951 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 1: you given a perspective that's different to what we're gonna do. 952 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: What you're gonna hear from a lot of other folks, 953 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure how can so? So that means if, for example, 954 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: you said you when you were in the Marine Corps, 955 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: if somebody deserted their posts because they got scared, that's 956 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,920 Speaker 1: a big problem. Right. Oh yeah, Look none of us ran. 957 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 1: Look I was I was there. No, no no, no, I'm 958 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 1: not suggesting anyone ran. I'm just saying. I'm just saying 959 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 1: there has to be I'm just saying, there has to 960 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: be accountability, even in extreme circumstances for those who are 961 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,760 Speaker 1: charged with life and death situations. Right, those who are 962 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,040 Speaker 1: even weapons, either in the service of their country or 963 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,760 Speaker 1: in the defense of civilians here at home, have an 964 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,440 Speaker 1: obligation and responsibility. So I mean, I I understand the 965 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,040 Speaker 1: impulse to say, Look, it's difficult and and you know, 966 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: it's easy for people to judge, but we also have 967 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 1: to hold someone accountable for not doing their duty while 968 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 1: little kids are getting blown away, seventeen of them, right, 969 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's listen, I understand he's he's being held accountable, 970 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,640 Speaker 1: and that's great. What I hate you hear other people 971 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,280 Speaker 1: call and brag about what they would have done because 972 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 1: they don't know what they would have done. Okay, I 973 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,480 Speaker 1: just hate to hear braggers. It really just ranks me. 974 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,200 Speaker 1: And and you know, I'm I'm a registered gun owner. 975 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: I am not an n r A member. I loathe 976 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: and despise the n r A. I think they need 977 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 1: to get out of politics. Why do you hate the 978 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,160 Speaker 1: n r A because they don't represent me. I'm a 979 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,600 Speaker 1: legal gun owner. I don't need the n r A 980 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 1: is fronting for me, but they don't, the United States says, 981 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,960 Speaker 1: and I respect it, and I I helped defend it, 982 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and no one's gonna come take my guns away. And 983 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. People just whipping people up in 984 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 1: a frenzy. Oh man, they're gonna come get your guns, 985 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 1: all Danny, if you had listened to some of the 986 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: folks last night, If you listen to the folks last night, 987 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 1: they actually do want to take your guns away. So 988 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: I hate to be the one to break the bad 989 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 1: news to you, but it is in fact the case 990 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,200 Speaker 1: that there are people who want to take your guns away, 991 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,000 Speaker 1: lots of them, and they run most of the media media, 992 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: most of the main media organizations across the country. And yeah, 993 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,920 Speaker 1: there is that. All right, let's get to some other 994 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: callers here. Jeff in Madison, North Carolina. Hey, Jeff, Hey, Buck, 995 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,680 Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. And who was the last 996 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,720 Speaker 1: called Danny? I think so, yeah, you respect his uh, 997 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, service to the country. But I'm an n 998 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 1: r A member and I love them. I'm a carry 999 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,920 Speaker 1: concealed holder and I do carry, and I would just 1000 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,480 Speaker 1: like Danny to know, yes, I do think about it. 1001 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,439 Speaker 1: When I'm carrying this weapon. You know, what is my role? 1002 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: What if something goes wrong? You know what am I 1003 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna do? I consider those things. But anyway, the reason 1004 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: I was calling because you asked earlier what this deputy did. 1005 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,080 Speaker 1: Does it change your mind on having armed either teachers 1006 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,920 Speaker 1: or even security guards in schools? No, it does not, 1007 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,520 Speaker 1: because how many times have we heard first responders running 1008 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,960 Speaker 1: towards the danger just because this one guy made this 1009 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 1: terrible mistake and did not enter that building. First responders 1010 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 1: run toward the danger. We've heard it time and time again, 1011 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: and they're great people. And no, and that's Donald Trump 1012 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 1: is exactly right. We have to have offensive personnel in 1013 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:04,120 Speaker 1: these schools. You know, we just keep That's all I've got, Gene. 1014 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,280 Speaker 1: But Jeff, I just you can see how that the 1015 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Democrats and the left are going to try to turn 1016 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,320 Speaker 1: this into well it didn't work this time, so why 1017 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,040 Speaker 1: it work? Then? You see what I mean? That's that's 1018 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,560 Speaker 1: going to be the narrative from their side of it, 1019 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,919 Speaker 1: just because this one man made a mistake. Now I 1020 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,040 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm just saying be prepared. Everyone 1021 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,560 Speaker 1: should be prepared for what comes next year. We're already 1022 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 1: seeing it. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter what the left says. 1023 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I when they say something, I always turn it around 1024 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 1: on them. You know. They say that if we don't 1025 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,600 Speaker 1: go along with their theory on how to handle this, 1026 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,840 Speaker 1: then we we're all standing on dead bodies of young students. Well, 1027 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 1: I say just the opposite. If you don't go our way, 1028 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 1: you're the ones if you don't want armed guards and 1029 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,640 Speaker 1: in schools, you're the ones that don't want a solution. 1030 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,720 Speaker 1: We want the solution. We are trying to find a solution. 1031 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,000 Speaker 1: And I've also tweeted out today that they don't they're 1032 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,280 Speaker 1: not going to like it, but Donald Trump is going 1033 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 1: to be the one that does find a salute. I 1034 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,360 Speaker 1: think that's true. I think, and it's gonna be there's 1035 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: some irony to this, right because Donald Trump coming. Thank 1036 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,680 Speaker 1: you for calling in, Jeff, I appreciate your perspective. Uh, 1037 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump comes into office and they're saying he's a fascist, 1038 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,960 Speaker 1: and he's the most right wing, he's all right, he's 1039 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: all this stuff. And here here's something that that may 1040 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 1: in fact be the case. Uh not, we don't know yet, 1041 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,360 Speaker 1: but this is likely to be I would say a 1042 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:34,000 Speaker 1: true statement that Donald Trump will have and at his 1043 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 1: urging right, not just a function of the Donald Trump 1044 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: will have managed within let's say, the first two years 1045 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: in office to have done more that was constructive and 1046 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,320 Speaker 1: solution based on the issue of gun violence and particularly 1047 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,240 Speaker 1: school shootings, then the Obama administration managed in eight years. 1048 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 1: That is likely to be It's not yet a true statement, 1049 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,000 Speaker 1: it is likely to be a true statement depending on 1050 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 1: what comes out of all this. I think we are 1051 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,600 Speaker 1: seeing this is quite possible. I just think about that 1052 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: for a moment. I mean, it's you kind of have 1053 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,080 Speaker 1: to stop your tracks. So wow. That's and yet the 1054 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,880 Speaker 1: left hates they will hate him every bit. It doesn't 1055 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 1: matter if if the if Trump, let's just say that 1056 01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,880 Speaker 1: the arming of teachers happens whatever, we're gonna call it, right, 1057 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,040 Speaker 1: the increased armed personnel on campus, on in schools, and 1058 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: there was not another mass shooting in school in a 1059 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: school for the rest of Trump's term, which would be 1060 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,160 Speaker 1: obviously fantastic, and they be considerable drop off. It's not 1061 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,080 Speaker 1: like they'd say, oh, look at how great Trump is. 1062 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,880 Speaker 1: You know now, it doesn't matter what he does. They hate, 1063 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 1: don't matter what. I just gotta remember that too. Um 1064 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: Ron in Virginia. Hey, Ron, how are you doing tonight? 1065 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm good, Thank you for your call. So thank you. 1066 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,040 Speaker 1: A couple of quick points. I'm forty five, so that 1067 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,160 Speaker 1: tells my age, and but I would like to look 1068 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,320 Speaker 1: at a bigger picture other than just armed guards. We 1069 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,640 Speaker 1: have to look at what's going on with the children. Um. 1070 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,480 Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm forty five years old. I grew 1071 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,640 Speaker 1: up in the country. Uh. When I went to school, 1072 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,280 Speaker 1: everybody had where I grew up had firearms in her vehicles, 1073 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:30,840 Speaker 1: whether or not it was hunting rifles, shotguns during dove season. Uh. 1074 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Everybody carried a knife, whether or not it was a 1075 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,960 Speaker 1: hunting knife in a scabbard for a pocketknife. Back in 1076 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,280 Speaker 1: my day, guys were still fighting in school, getting in 1077 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: his fight, and nobody ever pulled knaves were shot each other. 1078 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,280 Speaker 1: Guns in our day, if you're my age, are older, 1079 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,760 Speaker 1: you could buy right out of a J. C. Tennis 1080 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: catalog and had the gun step right to your house, 1081 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:05,720 Speaker 1: no background checks. So guns are not the issue. You 1082 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 1: just have to look at the facts of it. Facts 1083 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 1: are is what's going on with our kids and society 1084 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,560 Speaker 1: as a whole that we're at this point. So that's 1085 01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,800 Speaker 1: my one point when when is to Danny said that 1086 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't like people judging. Yet he said he doesn't 1087 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,880 Speaker 1: need the n r A because it will never come 1088 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,320 Speaker 1: take to his guns. Well, he don't know what he 1089 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,160 Speaker 1: would do if they showed up as his door to 1090 01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,920 Speaker 1: take his guns, so he has to use his own 1091 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,840 Speaker 1: philosophy to come up with why not fight now? So 1092 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,640 Speaker 1: you never have to worry about what you're gonna do 1093 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,120 Speaker 1: when the federal agents decide to show up at you 1094 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,720 Speaker 1: were in the door and take him because Danny may 1095 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,519 Speaker 1: find that he was peeing on his leg Acain, And 1096 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,960 Speaker 1: I just think you can't legislate behavior because it's all 1097 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,920 Speaker 1: comes down to a moral compass. You have a great night, 1098 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, thank you for hey rop, thank you, thank 1099 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,760 Speaker 1: you for sharing your thoughts. Um. By the way, I 1100 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,839 Speaker 1: mentioned the Bath I'm sorry I mentioned the biggest school 1101 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 1: death toll for an attack on a school in history. 1102 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,240 Speaker 1: It was actually in and I was right, I just 1103 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,760 Speaker 1: couldn't remember the name of it. The Bath School massacres 1104 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,479 Speaker 1: that's called on UH. The eighteenth of May nine twenty 1105 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:22,639 Speaker 1: seven in Bath Township, Michigan, forty four people killed. H 1106 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: This was through a UH fire bombing and a suicide 1107 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,840 Speaker 1: by detonating a final device. So it's essentially fire bombing 1108 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:37,000 Speaker 1: and explosions. Um that was that was so that was 1109 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,599 Speaker 1: now that involved an adult, not an actual student, as 1110 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:45,920 Speaker 1: as shooting the other students. But something has changed now 1111 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,479 Speaker 1: and I'll maybe to address us the only side of 1112 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,600 Speaker 1: the break, but we should not lose sight of the 1113 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: world has actually gotten less violent over tom not more 1114 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,840 Speaker 1: are tolerance for violence in Western civilization, western society, and 1115 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:02,080 Speaker 1: the world as a whole, uh has gone down, not up. 1116 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:07,879 Speaker 1: This issue of school shootings is a particular and virulent 1117 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,639 Speaker 1: phenomenon and maybe worth digging into that a bit more Africa. 1118 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: I didn't, by the way, I didn't mean to talk 1119 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,960 Speaker 1: about school shootings for most of the show that I'm 1120 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,080 Speaker 1: I just that's where the news took us because we 1121 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,920 Speaker 1: had breaking news during the show. But there's gonna be 1122 01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,719 Speaker 1: a whole lot more that we're gonna to talk about tomorrow, 1123 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,320 Speaker 1: because we're gonna have having David French joined us in 1124 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,000 Speaker 1: a little bit here to talk about his his proposed solutions, 1125 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,160 Speaker 1: which I think one of them is particularly strong, and 1126 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,360 Speaker 1: then I gotta talk to about immigration. So there's gonna 1127 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,479 Speaker 1: be a lot of We're gonna have some Russia stuff 1128 01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,519 Speaker 1: tomorrow to hit, but we'll be right back. I saw 1129 01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: a particularly worthwhile threat on the issue of school shootings 1130 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,720 Speaker 1: that I wanted to share with you. It comes courtesy 1131 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:52,679 Speaker 1: of um Ari. Shulman is the fellow's name. He's a writer, 1132 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,120 Speaker 1: and uh, I'm not sure even what his focus is, 1133 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: but he's on Twitter. Here's what he wrote, some song. 1134 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Some why we and our institutions may be failing to 1135 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,800 Speaker 1: deal with mass shootings because we approached them as part 1136 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:11,280 Speaker 1: of broader problems, not as a distinct and self perpetuating plague. 1137 01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,599 Speaker 1: The problem with almost every narrative that mass shootings are 1138 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,599 Speaker 1: actually an X problem is that X is usually so broad. 1139 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,320 Speaker 1: It's like saying the real problem with asteroid impacts is 1140 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,360 Speaker 1: that the Earth is so big. Take mental health. It's 1141 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,920 Speaker 1: easy to say mass shootings are really a mental health 1142 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,240 Speaker 1: problem because you'd have to be crazy to commit one. Right. No, 1143 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,559 Speaker 1: not really. The literature does not reflect a strong link 1144 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:43,360 Speaker 1: with serious mental illness. Some like the Virginia tech shooter, 1145 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,559 Speaker 1: had serious diagnosed or diagnosable mental illness like psychopathy or 1146 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:52,479 Speaker 1: major depression, but the large majority don't, and the vast 1147 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,800 Speaker 1: majority of people with strong mental illness aren't violent. Here's 1148 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,200 Speaker 1: another one. This is really about a America's love of guns, 1149 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,360 Speaker 1: or it's just the most visible edge of our gun 1150 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:09,120 Speaker 1: violence problem. Again, doesn't go very far in explaining mass shootings, 1151 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,000 Speaker 1: which have moved opposite to gun ownership and overall gun 1152 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,920 Speaker 1: homicide trends. It's very important we've seen this spike in 1153 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,360 Speaker 1: mass casualty school shootings, but also we've seen drops in 1154 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:28,559 Speaker 1: gun violence in recent decades, big drops. So what's going on? 1155 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,519 Speaker 1: If it were just guns? That doesn't make any sense. 1156 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,960 Speaker 1: Mr Shulman goes on here, Uh, let's put armed guards 1157 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:42,240 Speaker 1: in every school. Not outlandish, but would never encounter a shooter, 1158 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,920 Speaker 1: and the few who did would be taken by surprise 1159 01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:50,679 Speaker 1: after years of board roaming of the hallways, probably why 1160 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,519 Speaker 1: there are already many cases of shooters not being stopped 1161 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,439 Speaker 1: by them. I would note that Mr. R. Shalman wrote 1162 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,920 Speaker 1: this on February sixteenth, so he did not know what 1163 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,799 Speaker 1: we know now about the armed guard at the high school, 1164 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,960 Speaker 1: and goes on to this one mass shootings are a 1165 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,400 Speaker 1: white or Asian problem. I've never seen this argument made 1166 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 1: in good faith, but it's bunk. The racial distribution of 1167 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,440 Speaker 1: mass shooters is basically the same as the general population 1168 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:20,240 Speaker 1: and actually almost completely mirrors what you know. The percentages 1169 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,160 Speaker 1: are of the U. S population in terms of ethnic 1170 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:30,640 Speaker 1: ethnic um background, male toxicity or a crisis of masculinity. 1171 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,280 Speaker 1: He writes, hard to put numbers on that, but just 1172 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,200 Speaker 1: about any definition would peg the problem. Far early than 1173 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,080 Speaker 1: the late nineteen eighties, when the active shooter phenomenon really 1174 01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 1: started to pick up in the United States, mass shootings 1175 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,800 Speaker 1: do have something to do with these factors, except the 1176 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,920 Speaker 1: race thing. That's totally a canard. But weakly saying they're 1177 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 1: actually about any one thing miss is the singular nature 1178 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,719 Speaker 1: of this violence. It doesn't go anywhere rhetorically or practically 1179 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,719 Speaker 1: or politically to the extent that mass shootings are about anything. 1180 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,880 Speaker 1: This is the really important part, folks, it's themselves. They 1181 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,640 Speaker 1: have a distinct etiology. There are a form of imitative 1182 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:15,360 Speaker 1: a political terrorism fueled by anti social rage but spread 1183 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:21,639 Speaker 1: by infamy seeking and social contagion. Strategies with a chance 1184 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,800 Speaker 1: of doing anything must like past efforts to stop hijacking, 1185 01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: terrorism and assassinations, understand mass shootings as a distinct form 1186 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:37,360 Speaker 1: of self perpetuating violence. And strategically target them as such, Um, 1187 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,080 Speaker 1: Mr Shawman, who is uh, He's written for the Wall 1188 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:45,040 Speaker 1: Street Journal and The Atlantic. I think that's a very 1189 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,799 Speaker 1: astute thread that he had there on truth about school 1190 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,519 Speaker 1: shootings and how to stop them and to that. And 1191 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,080 Speaker 1: we've got David French joining us, and then we will 1192 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,439 Speaker 1: just a few minutes and we'll talk immigration for a 1193 01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,840 Speaker 1: couple of segments, and then we'll get into some roll 1194 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,880 Speaker 1: hall and tomorrow, I promise a lot of other stuff 1195 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,559 Speaker 1: we'll hit that we didn't get to today because it's 1196 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,000 Speaker 1: just the way the show went. We'll be back. Welcome 1197 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,559 Speaker 1: back to the third hour of the Buck Section Show. Everybody, 1198 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,680 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for being here. I know we've 1199 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,280 Speaker 1: hit a lot of topics today, and I wanted to 1200 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,080 Speaker 1: bring on someone who I mentioned earlier in the week 1201 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,519 Speaker 1: in reference to a piece that he had written on 1202 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,320 Speaker 1: well one aspect of this gun debate that has broken out, 1203 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,519 Speaker 1: and in fact now we can have him weigh in 1204 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,559 Speaker 1: on on a few different parts important parts of the discussion. 1205 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,720 Speaker 1: Right now, we have David French on the line. He 1206 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,800 Speaker 1: is a senior writer for Nashville also a veteran of 1207 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,880 Speaker 1: the United States Armed Forces. Thank you so much for 1208 01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,920 Speaker 1: calling in, David. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 1209 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,479 Speaker 1: So I actually wanted to start I know this is 1210 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,080 Speaker 1: from an earlier piece you wrote, but I wanted to 1211 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,920 Speaker 1: start with the notion of a temporary restraining order for 1212 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,600 Speaker 1: gun buying. Essentially that strikes me. I mean, there are 1213 01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,200 Speaker 1: there are two places where I see really no problem 1214 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,439 Speaker 1: if the legislation would be done correctly or if whatever 1215 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,960 Speaker 1: whatever the fix would be. One would be that and 1216 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,559 Speaker 1: the other has to do with what Dana Lash mentioned 1217 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,880 Speaker 1: at the forum last night, the mental health checks at 1218 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,880 Speaker 1: the state or mental health reporting and criminal reporting at 1219 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,840 Speaker 1: the state level going to the federal government. But can 1220 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,200 Speaker 1: we start with the uh, the temporary straining order that 1221 01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,439 Speaker 1: to me seems like a totally reasonable idea, and yet 1222 01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,320 Speaker 1: it's not seeming like it's the top of the list 1223 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,720 Speaker 1: for either side right now. What's going on? Yeah, So 1224 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,080 Speaker 1: the gun violence restraining order idea, I think has has 1225 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:37,519 Speaker 1: got a couple of virtues to it. One, unlike the 1226 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,240 Speaker 1: gun controlled ideas that are floated around, it's precisely targeted 1227 01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,120 Speaker 1: at the exact kind of problem that we're facing, and 1228 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,080 Speaker 1: that is, there are people not just in the mass 1229 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,559 Speaker 1: shooting context. Also often in the suicide context, who give 1230 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:57,400 Speaker 1: off warning signs. Sometimes they're giving off warning signs like crazy, 1231 01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,800 Speaker 1: but they haven't been convicted of a felony, and they've 1232 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,559 Speaker 1: not been adjudicated mentally unfit, and so therefore they still 1233 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,760 Speaker 1: there's no way to deny them access to a firearm. 1234 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,000 Speaker 1: What a gun violence or straining order does is it 1235 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,759 Speaker 1: says it allows people who are close to a troubled 1236 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,320 Speaker 1: person to go to a court and seek a temporary 1237 01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: order upon providing clear and convincing evidence that a person 1238 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,120 Speaker 1: is a significant danger to themselves or others, and that 1239 01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,559 Speaker 1: temporary order would require that person to be rid of 1240 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,080 Speaker 1: their guns for a specified period of time. And and 1241 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,200 Speaker 1: so what you have to do to get it is 1242 01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,400 Speaker 1: to come forward with admissible evidence like sworn statements, Instagram photos. 1243 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,320 Speaker 1: In other words, exactly the kind of evidence that existed 1244 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:45,000 Speaker 1: before the Parkland shooting, Exactly the kind of evidence was 1245 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,320 Speaker 1: presented by the to the FBI. In this circumstance, you 1246 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,800 Speaker 1: would empower people close to a troubled person to go 1247 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,479 Speaker 1: to a local court. Again, so you're you're not feeding 1248 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,320 Speaker 1: information to the maw of this really big bureaucracy. Go 1249 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,479 Speaker 1: to a local court and get a temporary order, and 1250 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,680 Speaker 1: the gun owner subject to the order would have an 1251 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to contest it. And so it's very targeted at 1252 01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,760 Speaker 1: people who are giving off warning signs, and it gives 1253 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,040 Speaker 1: people a tool to deal with people who are giving 1254 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,120 Speaker 1: off warning signs while protecting due process. It has to 1255 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,040 Speaker 1: be properly drawn, but I think it's got a lot 1256 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,519 Speaker 1: of promise. I do too, And so I'm wondering, Uh, 1257 01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,960 Speaker 1: and maybe these are questions that you know, we can't 1258 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 1: answer just yet, but why is this not the thing 1259 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,280 Speaker 1: that I'm I'll be honest with you, David, makes a 1260 01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,960 Speaker 1: lot more sense to me than trying to put armed 1261 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,680 Speaker 1: security in a hundred thousand schools across the country. And 1262 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,519 Speaker 1: I know people might get mad at me for saying that, 1263 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,519 Speaker 1: but I you know, you serve the military. I certainly 1264 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,320 Speaker 1: c I A putting people with guns in places is 1265 01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,800 Speaker 1: not as easy as people think it is sometimes in 1266 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,960 Speaker 1: terms of the logistics and the the possible liabilities and 1267 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,479 Speaker 1: everything else that goes on with it. Why isn't this 1268 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,960 Speaker 1: do you get pushed back on this? Are are people? 1269 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,360 Speaker 1: You know? You're a Second Amendment defender. I'm a second 1270 01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,720 Speaker 1: amendment defender who has a problem with this or is 1271 01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 1: there no problem, it just isn't enough. Well, I think 1272 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,639 Speaker 1: it's the latter that is just not known enough, because 1273 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,519 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, I wrote this article. I didn't 1274 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,840 Speaker 1: come up with this idea. It's been proposed in a 1275 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,639 Speaker 1: few states. Um, I wrote this article. It literally got 1276 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,800 Speaker 1: more feedback I think than anything I've ever written in 1277 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,439 Speaker 1: my career. The amount of feedback, and I would describe 1278 01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,120 Speaker 1: it as ninety percent positives. Marco Senator Rubio has been 1279 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,320 Speaker 1: in support of it, um and so I think it's 1280 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,360 Speaker 1: gaining some momentum. I believe the last last count, it's 1281 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,800 Speaker 1: up to eighteen states or at least some version of 1282 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,320 Speaker 1: this now. Some are better written than others, but some 1283 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: version of this has been proposed in eighteen states now. 1284 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,679 Speaker 1: So it is gaining momentum. But it's not talked about 1285 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,960 Speaker 1: because it doesn't fit particularly And even though you know, 1286 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: even though there are liberals who support this, it's not 1287 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:55,519 Speaker 1: a huge sweeping change like an assault weapons fan Um. 1288 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,559 Speaker 1: It's it's modest, it's very targeted. But I tell you, 1289 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,720 Speaker 1: I think it could have real imp because if you 1290 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,760 Speaker 1: look at say that the worst twenty mass shootings in 1291 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,320 Speaker 1: the US since column mine. Setting aside the Las Vegas shooter, 1292 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,479 Speaker 1: which is still such a mystery. Um. Time and time 1293 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,280 Speaker 1: and time again, these people give off warning signs like 1294 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,439 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe, and nobody has really the capacity to 1295 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,479 Speaker 1: do anything about it. Um. And this would give people 1296 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,000 Speaker 1: that opportunity to do something when those warning signs are present. 1297 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,200 Speaker 1: Speaking to David French of National Review, David, I also 1298 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,320 Speaker 1: think that, uh, And I don't know if this is 1299 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,519 Speaker 1: one you've looked at specifically yet, but Dana mentioned it 1300 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,040 Speaker 1: at the CNN forum last night, which I will I 1301 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,360 Speaker 1: did think was a complete debacle. I mean, not what 1302 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,600 Speaker 1: she did, but what went on there. Nonetheless, Uh, she 1303 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,639 Speaker 1: mentioned that there should be information at the state level 1304 01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,400 Speaker 1: passed to the federal background check system so that if 1305 01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,080 Speaker 1: somebody does something real crazy, you know, if if somebody 1306 01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:51,720 Speaker 1: is one of these guys that used to see on 1307 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,960 Speaker 1: the show Cops who's running around shirtless after he stabbed 1308 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,080 Speaker 1: three people with a screwdriver, that needs to be back 1309 01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,720 Speaker 1: information that goes to the federal back round checksism that 1310 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,360 Speaker 1: we already have in place. I think a lot of 1311 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,800 Speaker 1: people are surprised to know one that that's not there. 1312 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,280 Speaker 1: And two, uh, is there pushback to this? I mean, 1313 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,720 Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah, I mean I think that 1314 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,639 Speaker 1: should go as well. I think the the unfortunate thing 1315 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:18,360 Speaker 1: is that the state mental health adjudications are so broken, 1316 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,479 Speaker 1: and it is. It is not easy. It is not 1317 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,040 Speaker 1: easy to involuntarily get a mental health adjudication for somebody else. 1318 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,400 Speaker 1: And the other thing is what we have to realize 1319 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,320 Speaker 1: is a lot of these circumstances, people aren't crazy. They're angry, 1320 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,920 Speaker 1: they're not insane, they're evil. It's a very important point 1321 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,439 Speaker 1: that the problem is if you're saying, well, everyone, all 1322 01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,840 Speaker 1: these people are crazy, that's just flat out wrong. So 1323 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,479 Speaker 1: the mental health adjudication issue, I agree, we can do 1324 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,559 Speaker 1: a better job of that. But the difference between that 1325 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,639 Speaker 1: and they say the gun violence restraining order, the gun 1326 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:57,040 Speaker 1: violence restraining order capture somebody even if they're not crazy, 1327 01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,040 Speaker 1: they're angry. And in fact, where it's been enforced in 1328 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,080 Speaker 1: um in California, it's been used a number of times, 1329 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,400 Speaker 1: for example, in the situation of angry ex husbands or 1330 01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, people who are going through a crisis in 1331 01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,960 Speaker 1: life and they're very angry. Disc you know, the going 1332 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,800 Speaker 1: back back to a place of business or something like that, 1333 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,120 Speaker 1: and so, um, we just really cannot put in our 1334 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,320 Speaker 1: minds this idea that all these people who do these 1335 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,519 Speaker 1: things are crazy, because they're not all crazy. Well. And 1336 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,600 Speaker 1: also anyone who I've actually done a little bit of 1337 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,720 Speaker 1: research on on psychopathy and psychopaths can can function very 1338 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,600 Speaker 1: normally a lot of the time. In fact, some psychopaths 1339 01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,559 Speaker 1: do very well in life. It's there's there's a certain 1340 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:46,960 Speaker 1: type of psychopathy that manifests itself in really dangerous, horrible fashion, 1341 01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: but even the worst of the worst can actually come 1342 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,240 Speaker 1: across as pretty normal. So even when we're talking David 1343 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:58,720 Speaker 1: about the scary, you know, maniacal killer type, uh, they 1344 01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,439 Speaker 1: often will appear normal to a lot of people. So 1345 01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,640 Speaker 1: they're not running around, you know, acting like maniacs in 1346 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,120 Speaker 1: a way that would be observable to every to people 1347 01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,560 Speaker 1: in the general public, right, I mean, now, to a 1348 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,960 Speaker 1: lot of those people who's look normal to the general public, 1349 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,120 Speaker 1: into their households, they do not, right, which is where 1350 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,040 Speaker 1: the restraining order would come in and be helpful, exactly exactly. 1351 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,559 Speaker 1: And so that's I think that's something that Look, I'm 1352 01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,559 Speaker 1: a big fan of laboratories of democracy and I would 1353 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,120 Speaker 1: love to see some Red states implement I properly drafted 1354 01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,200 Speaker 1: g v R OH and then study it after a year, 1355 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,519 Speaker 1: two years, who has the order been granted against under 1356 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,439 Speaker 1: what circumstances? And then you know, you can look at 1357 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,960 Speaker 1: that and if it's been successful, if it appears to 1358 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:49,160 Speaker 1: save lives without violating you know, fundamental due process rights 1359 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,479 Speaker 1: that Americans enjoy, then you can replicate it and move 1360 01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,880 Speaker 1: on and refine it and improve it. You know, people 1361 01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,840 Speaker 1: say do something. I really hate that phrase. Something I 1362 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: would prefer phrase why why not do something that has 1363 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,280 Speaker 1: a chance to be effective? And and this is something 1364 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,240 Speaker 1: I think that has that chance. What do you think 1365 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,720 Speaker 1: is different about this time? Clearly we've one of the 1366 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,280 Speaker 1: reasons we're having a discussion is because there's been multiple 1367 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,559 Speaker 1: mass school mass casualty school shooting stretching back for years. Now. 1368 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,240 Speaker 1: Why why does it seem like now with a Republican House, 1369 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,880 Speaker 1: Republican senator, Republican president, we may get some action on 1370 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,960 Speaker 1: this when we have it in the past. Well, I 1371 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,800 Speaker 1: think I think what's happened is it's finally dawned on 1372 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Americans that we have a real contagion 1373 01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,759 Speaker 1: issue with the mass shootings. So if you know gun overall, 1374 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,920 Speaker 1: gun violence in this country has dropped precipitously from you know, 1375 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,800 Speaker 1: the highs and twenty five years ago. Um. But these 1376 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,800 Speaker 1: mass shootings, on the other hand, it's almost like there's 1377 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,040 Speaker 1: a virus loose on the land. When you consider that 1378 01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,400 Speaker 1: three of the five worst mass shootings in American history 1379 01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:02,320 Speaker 1: occurred in twenty seventeen, that's pretty stunning. Uh. And then 1380 01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,360 Speaker 1: you add this swin, which is yet another school shooting, um, 1381 01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,320 Speaker 1: and you reach a point where a lot of people 1382 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:12,960 Speaker 1: are saying, what what can we do? Is there something 1383 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,879 Speaker 1: that we can do? Because we have a real problem 1384 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,000 Speaker 1: here and now. Of course, you know your average American 1385 01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,559 Speaker 1: student is the odds of them being exposed to school 1386 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,080 Speaker 1: shooting is are vanishingly small. But each one of these 1387 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,559 Speaker 1: things is deeply traumatic in the same way that a 1388 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,160 Speaker 1: big time terrorist attack is traumatic. They really hit people, 1389 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,080 Speaker 1: and they hit people in the gut, and the more 1390 01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,519 Speaker 1: quickly the gut punches come, the more desperation build. Of 1391 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:48,840 Speaker 1: the of the different options that are out there, what 1392 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,280 Speaker 1: do you think of the ones that are getting a 1393 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,360 Speaker 1: lot of attention right now, at least from from Republicans. 1394 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,599 Speaker 1: I mean, put it on the side that there's there's 1395 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,439 Speaker 1: clearly a lot of Democrats who just want to bang 1396 01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,880 Speaker 1: on semi on semi automatic rifles, ben l a r 1397 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,519 Speaker 1: span all guns. Putting all those aside. Though of the 1398 01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 1: other proposals, Trump's obviously spending a lot of time on 1399 01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:11,640 Speaker 1: armed security in schools. What do you think? I am not, um, 1400 01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm skeptical about that. I mean, for a couple of reasons. One, 1401 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,439 Speaker 1: you will have huge pushback at the school level to that, 1402 01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,759 Speaker 1: except for you know, your your standard school resource officer. 1403 01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,080 Speaker 1: A lot a lot of schools have those things already, 1404 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, but but to say that a single school 1405 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,360 Speaker 1: resource officer is going to be a panacea, I think 1406 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,840 Speaker 1: just completely misunderstands the reality. I mean, you have one 1407 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:38,160 Speaker 1: guy on these big campuses, and uh, you know who's 1408 01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,320 Speaker 1: going to spend most of his day's board and breaking 1409 01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,840 Speaker 1: up fights and then has to be ready at a 1410 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,519 Speaker 1: moment's notice to spring into action at exactly right place 1411 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 1: at the right time. It's a lot to ask, ye, 1412 01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,559 Speaker 1: and you have a calculating nineteen year old psychopath who 1413 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,160 Speaker 1: has access to a firearm and decides he's going to 1414 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,519 Speaker 1: go after a school. He knows well, he's gonna either 1415 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,840 Speaker 1: go with the resource officer isn't, or go after the 1416 01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,400 Speaker 1: resource officer first. So that's another part of this, but 1417 01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,679 Speaker 1: I feel like doesn't get much attention. Yes, I think 1418 01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,880 Speaker 1: that just the mechanics of it, I'm skeptical that that's 1419 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,360 Speaker 1: a cure all. I do think that there is an 1420 01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,320 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing wrong. For example, in in my home count Easy, 1421 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,519 Speaker 1: UM sheriff and the police department made a school resource 1422 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,800 Speaker 1: officer available to every school, public and private in the county, 1423 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,920 Speaker 1: UM if they so chose. I think that's there's nothing 1424 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,479 Speaker 1: wrong with that. But I think that what we have 1425 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,439 Speaker 1: to say is we're not going to say there's any 1426 01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,720 Speaker 1: one thing that's the panacea. UM, there's going to be 1427 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:34,240 Speaker 1: a combination. So I think, yes, UM, having more security 1428 01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:35,920 Speaker 1: at schools is a good thing. It's not going to 1429 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,800 Speaker 1: be the answer. Yes, gun violence restraining orders is going 1430 01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,200 Speaker 1: to be a good thing. It's not going to be 1431 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,720 Speaker 1: the answer. But here's something that I saw floated that 1432 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,600 Speaker 1: was very interesting to me. When we've had crime, critical 1433 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,040 Speaker 1: crime issues in the past, one of the things that 1434 01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:55,040 Speaker 1: we've done is we've organized, for example, specific law enforcement 1435 01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:59,120 Speaker 1: task forces designed to deal with it. Like like um 1436 01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:05,439 Speaker 1: gang ask forces and specific tasking specific entities to try 1437 01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,880 Speaker 1: to tackle the problem from multiple angles. I do wonder 1438 01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:13,599 Speaker 1: if it's time for a specific umkin like you could 1439 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,080 Speaker 1: even be like a federal local law enforcement partnership like 1440 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,960 Speaker 1: HI to high intensity drug trafficking area. They started when 1441 01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,160 Speaker 1: they realized how bad the drug problem was. The FBI, 1442 01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,160 Speaker 1: d a local law enforcement all working together. Yeah, David, 1443 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:25,680 Speaker 1: we gotta leave it there because we're gonna run into 1444 01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,960 Speaker 1: our heart break. But everyone should go check out David's 1445 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,080 Speaker 1: work Nashal Review dot com, David French, follow him on Twitter, 1446 01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,720 Speaker 1: and David, thank you for some very thoughtful contributions to 1447 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,479 Speaker 1: what has been, uh quite a discussion this week in 1448 01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,600 Speaker 1: some ways as you as I'm sure you've seen so 1449 01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate the pieces you're you and the rest of 1450 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,240 Speaker 1: your colleagues that n are putting up there. So thank 1451 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,559 Speaker 1: you so much. Well, thanks much, appreciate it. All right, team, 1452 01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna roll into a break. Will be back. I 1453 01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,840 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about a little immigration story 1454 01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,400 Speaker 1: that's not getting nearly enough attention. I feel like we 1455 01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,519 Speaker 1: should give it a whole a more attention, and I'm 1456 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,080 Speaker 1: gonna do that in just a couple of minutes, so 1457 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,439 Speaker 1: stay with me. And yet we get no help from 1458 01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,720 Speaker 1: the state of California. They are doing a lousy management job. 1459 01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,840 Speaker 1: They have the highest taxes in the nation. They don't 1460 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,120 Speaker 1: know what's happening out there. It's a it's a frankly, 1461 01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:21,640 Speaker 1: it's a disgrace the sanctuary city situation and the protection 1462 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,240 Speaker 1: of these horrible criminals in California and other places, but 1463 01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,120 Speaker 1: in California. That if we haven't pulled our ice out 1464 01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,920 Speaker 1: and we haven't said, hey, let California alone, let them 1465 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,880 Speaker 1: figure it out for themselves, in two months, they'd be 1466 01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,320 Speaker 1: begging for us to come back. They would be begging. 1467 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,360 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm thinking about doing it. He's 1468 01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,200 Speaker 1: thinking about pulling immigrations and customs enforcement out of the 1469 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:50,320 Speaker 1: state of California. WHOA all right now? Is he serious? 1470 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're talking about Trump here, everybody. Would 1471 01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,160 Speaker 1: he maybe be willing to roll the dice on this 1472 01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,360 Speaker 1: one to make the point It would be a powerful 1473 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,439 Speaker 1: point at at what would happen in the state of 1474 01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:05,360 Speaker 1: California if all of a sudden, the federal member it 1475 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:11,040 Speaker 1: was fought by the the obadministration fought state efforts to 1476 01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,680 Speaker 1: help in immigration enforcement, and the federal court this was 1477 01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:19,320 Speaker 1: in Arizona, held that, okay, only the federal government can 1478 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:24,160 Speaker 1: do immigration enforcement. But I think that also then raises 1479 01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,280 Speaker 1: an interesting question about, well, what happens if the federal 1480 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,559 Speaker 1: government were to say, you know what, for this state, 1481 01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,040 Speaker 1: we don't think we need to have our resources there. 1482 01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:37,520 Speaker 1: We don't think we have to actually prioritize immigration immigration 1483 01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,920 Speaker 1: enforcement in that state. So we're just gonna pull all 1484 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:46,080 Speaker 1: of our resources out, or even just a lot of them, 1485 01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,200 Speaker 1: even just to have a policy of prioritization that directs 1486 01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,200 Speaker 1: the immigrations and customs enforcement folks in California, or just 1487 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,600 Speaker 1: not do anything. You know, you've got other things you 1488 01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,040 Speaker 1: gotta worry about, guys. I don't know. State could probably 1489 01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:06,200 Speaker 1: sue for a little while. I'm sure California would actually overall, 1490 01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the people listening to the show in California 1491 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,280 Speaker 1: are a conservative, so they're like, oh my gosh, the 1492 01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,160 Speaker 1: taxes in my state. It's run so poorly. It's it's 1493 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,720 Speaker 1: all crumbling. People are running to Colorado and Texas and 1494 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,479 Speaker 1: all these other places. Um, but I think for a 1495 01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:26,759 Speaker 1: little while there would be almost like an immigration Jubilee 1496 01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,200 Speaker 1: in California. People would just say, yeah, you know, now 1497 01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,800 Speaker 1: everything is great and it's wonderful, and we're it's a 1498 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,479 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fresh start for immigration policy here 1499 01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,840 Speaker 1: and everything else. But then they'd realize what happens if 1500 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:43,080 Speaker 1: you just have unrestricted inflow into one state? What would 1501 01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,760 Speaker 1: that do? Now? Look, I know they can't really do 1502 01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:47,519 Speaker 1: if they're not really going to do this, but I 1503 01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,559 Speaker 1: just think it's interesting that, first of all, it doesn't 1504 01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,799 Speaker 1: even get Trump says this and again barely gets noticed 1505 01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,519 Speaker 1: at all. People don't even really bring it up. They're 1506 01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,120 Speaker 1: just kind of like, yeah, you know whatever, you know, 1507 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,320 Speaker 1: it's just just just Trump being Trump. And and yet 1508 01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:06,720 Speaker 1: this would have quite the impact were he to do it. 1509 01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,680 Speaker 1: And it shows that that the sanctuary city issue is 1510 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:16,519 Speaker 1: not is not yet going to fade into the ether. Also, 1511 01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,920 Speaker 1: it's been in California. I just had to note. I 1512 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:25,559 Speaker 1: read a story on how San Francisco is just parts 1513 01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,840 Speaker 1: of San Francis, which is a beautiful city. I've I've 1514 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,200 Speaker 1: really enjoyed some time I've spent there. There's a lot 1515 01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,280 Speaker 1: of really nice stuff, but the food is incredible. It's 1516 01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,000 Speaker 1: a it's actually a physically very beautiful place, but because 1517 01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,439 Speaker 1: of all their policies, particularly when it comes to the 1518 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:43,960 Speaker 1: vagrancy and homelessness and you know, drug use and all 1519 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:49,280 Speaker 1: this stuff, and just general law enforcement and civic clean up. 1520 01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:50,880 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know even what you'd call it. 1521 01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,880 Speaker 1: That there are whole areas of California now that the 1522 01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,280 Speaker 1: quote in the paper was looked like a third world 1523 01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:59,639 Speaker 1: trash dump. A whole whole area of San Francisco, I said, 1524 01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,280 Speaker 1: californ him in sanc im in San Francisco. Whole parts 1525 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,120 Speaker 1: of San Francisco look like, uh, just a giant pile 1526 01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:11,960 Speaker 1: of refuse because of the policies of the city. And 1527 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,519 Speaker 1: it makes you think, how can you have a city 1528 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,559 Speaker 1: that's so expensive. There's a tremendous concentration wealth in the 1529 01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:21,680 Speaker 1: Bay Area, and that just allows there's like needles everywhere, 1530 01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,360 Speaker 1: and there's human you know, refuse on the streets a lot, 1531 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,680 Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff going on there. It's just 1532 01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:30,400 Speaker 1: a mess. And I asked a friend of mine who 1533 01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,400 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time out there, went to school 1534 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,679 Speaker 1: out there, and he said, oh no, this is true 1535 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,880 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. This this is happening right now. In 1536 01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,439 Speaker 1: some parts of downtown. It is. It is gross. I 1537 01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:47,040 Speaker 1: just wonder, you know, at what point do progressives At 1538 01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:49,120 Speaker 1: what point did they cross the threshold where they realized 1539 01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:53,759 Speaker 1: that their policy preferences aren't worth being ankle deep in 1540 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 1: in urine and use needles. You know, at what point 1541 01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:58,280 Speaker 1: do they Because in New York they had to cross 1542 01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,000 Speaker 1: the threshold and took them well, and they got there, 1543 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:01,679 Speaker 1: and now New York is actually really safe and clean. 1544 01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about immigration coming up here. I gotta 1545 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,360 Speaker 1: run to a break, but we'll be back with more. 1546 01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:11,120 Speaker 1: Stay with me. Oh, I have another bit of immigration 1547 01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,400 Speaker 1: news to share with you today. Look at this. You know, 1548 01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,800 Speaker 1: you you poke around a little bit in the headlines. 1549 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:23,040 Speaker 1: You find some stuff that you might not have otherwise. So, okay, 1550 01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:28,320 Speaker 1: Trump's comment about maybe pulling immigrations and costins enforcement out 1551 01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,519 Speaker 1: of California, you got that. But then you also, and 1552 01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,160 Speaker 1: this is courtesy of the Hill not calm, today, you 1553 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:42,559 Speaker 1: also have the Immigration Agency itself removing the phrase nation 1554 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:47,840 Speaker 1: of immigrants from its mission statements. Removing that phrase. Let 1555 01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,480 Speaker 1: me share the little warn Your US Citizenship and Immigration 1556 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:55,840 Speaker 1: Services altered mission statement on Thursday by taking out a 1557 01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,160 Speaker 1: reference to the United States as a nation of immigrants. 1558 01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:04,040 Speaker 1: The new mission statement reads US Citizenship and Immigration Services 1559 01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:09,040 Speaker 1: administers the nation's lawful immigration system, safeguarding its integrity and 1560 01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:13,600 Speaker 1: promise by efficiently and fairly adjudicating requests for immigration benefits, 1561 01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,720 Speaker 1: while protecting Americans, securing the homeland, and arguing our values. 1562 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,600 Speaker 1: The agency says, the new mission statement focuses on the 1563 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:27,320 Speaker 1: priorities of fairness, lawfulness, and efficiency. Ah So a little 1564 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:31,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of of propaganda taken out of the 1565 01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:36,719 Speaker 1: Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Uh motto mission well, mission statement 1566 01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,240 Speaker 1: not motto. Looks like they have changed things up a 1567 01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,559 Speaker 1: little bit. Look at that. I have to say. This 1568 01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,240 Speaker 1: is Uh, this is one of these things where you 1569 01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,280 Speaker 1: sit around, you think about this more and more you realize, 1570 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,360 Speaker 1: what what does that even mean? We're a nation of immigrants. Uh, 1571 01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,000 Speaker 1: it's not true in the sense that every nation is 1572 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,160 Speaker 1: a nation of immigrants. There's no say if you're going 1573 01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,160 Speaker 1: to play the well my an ancestors came here from 1574 01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:05,280 Speaker 1: somewhere else game. Uh, there is no country that I 1575 01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,599 Speaker 1: can think of that that is not the case, right, 1576 01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,400 Speaker 1: I mean, someone came from somewhere at some point in time. 1577 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,680 Speaker 1: So what is the distinction that is being made. Why 1578 01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,000 Speaker 1: are we being told at the time, well, we're a 1579 01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,560 Speaker 1: nation of immigrants. It's really just a point of propaganda 1580 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:25,320 Speaker 1: to suggests that that there's no difference whatsoever. And look, 1581 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,280 Speaker 1: legal immigrants, great, welcome, God bless good to have you 1582 01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,639 Speaker 1: in America. But the notion that there's no such thing 1583 01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:37,920 Speaker 1: really even as an immigrant, because everyone's just an American 1584 01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,479 Speaker 1: and you know, an American and waiting or an American 1585 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:46,719 Speaker 1: that came here through immigration, is historical revisionism. It's not 1586 01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:50,000 Speaker 1: the truth. And this is one of these little things 1587 01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:51,400 Speaker 1: that I know people are going to spend a lot 1588 01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,200 Speaker 1: of tension on. But you know, you start to look 1589 01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:58,120 Speaker 1: at this, you say to yourself, oh, that talking point 1590 01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,599 Speaker 1: that's been repeated by the media for the last twenty 1591 01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:04,680 Speaker 1: or thirty years ad nauseum. It's just not even accurate. 1592 01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,960 Speaker 1: Never mind, it's kind of a worthless thing to say. 1593 01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,160 Speaker 1: Like saying that they'll do the jobs Americans won't do. 1594 01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:16,920 Speaker 1: What a sweeping nonsensical statement to make. Uh yeah, maybe 1595 01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,479 Speaker 1: people that are unlikely to be filing any income tax 1596 01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,640 Speaker 1: of any kind will take a different wage basis for 1597 01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,559 Speaker 1: their labor than people who are planning to actually file 1598 01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,120 Speaker 1: a an income tax report. And there's also the issue 1599 01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,040 Speaker 1: of people who are here illegally being more likely to 1600 01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:38,400 Speaker 1: take lower skilled, lower paying jobs because they're just looking 1601 01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:40,200 Speaker 1: for any work here, because they're not supposed to be 1602 01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,680 Speaker 1: in the country in the first place. But the slogans. 1603 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,000 Speaker 1: Getting rid of the slogans is not a small thing, 1604 01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,240 Speaker 1: no longer having every journalist who wants a cheap round 1605 01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:54,519 Speaker 1: of applause go, well, we're a nation of immigrants. I 1606 01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,960 Speaker 1: don't think that that's accurate, because it's not. We're not 1607 01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,760 Speaker 1: a nation of immigrants any more so than every other 1608 01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,880 Speaker 1: country that has borders immigration policies. As a nation of immigrants. 1609 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,519 Speaker 1: It's just nonsense. Um. And yet it's taken this long 1610 01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,880 Speaker 1: for us to get to a point where we'll finally say, okay, 1611 01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,360 Speaker 1: maybe we'll take that out of the mission statement of 1612 01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:19,400 Speaker 1: the agency that has the mandate of enforcing border security. 1613 01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,560 Speaker 1: So isn't also just I have to note that immigration 1614 01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,760 Speaker 1: dropped off the docket. I understand why, we all understand why, 1615 01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,760 Speaker 1: but just entirely and so quickly. It was supposed to 1616 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,799 Speaker 1: be the big policy fight really of the first quarter 1617 01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,719 Speaker 1: of the first few months of the year. There's tied 1618 01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:41,880 Speaker 1: to the budget, the dead increase, all that, and it's 1619 01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,880 Speaker 1: just gotten pushed the waist. A Trump showdown with sanctuary cities. 1620 01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,240 Speaker 1: I still think it's coming, but man, it has been. 1621 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,760 Speaker 1: It has been cast aside without without much a do 1622 01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,599 Speaker 1: without without much fanfare. So anyway, well, we'll be back 1623 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,360 Speaker 1: on the immigration issue soon, I think, and especially if 1624 01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,560 Speaker 1: Trump decides he's gonna pull mmgrations and custers enforcement from California. 1625 01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:06,800 Speaker 1: That would be interesting. We're gonna get into some roll 1626 01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,240 Speaker 1: call coming up. Stay with me. Oh but by by 1627 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,479 Speaker 1: the way, before I I actually go into that, break 1628 01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,559 Speaker 1: hold on a second, there was one other thing I 1629 01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:17,320 Speaker 1: wanted to toss the mixer, and that is that, uh California, 1630 01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,479 Speaker 1: because we're mentioning it with the immigrations and custs of 1631 01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:25,200 Speaker 1: enforcement thing. Uh, California agriculture is seeing a quote chilling 1632 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:31,320 Speaker 1: and damaging effect from a wave of immigration audits. So 1633 01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:37,520 Speaker 1: there's already an impact here from the escalation of enforcement 1634 01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:42,240 Speaker 1: priorities or an enforcement period that the Trump administration has 1635 01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:46,280 Speaker 1: on illegals and on on employers. That's always been the 1636 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,200 Speaker 1: part of this that Republicans in elected office seemed to 1637 01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:54,519 Speaker 1: get the squishiest on the fastest, fastest. They they're all, 1638 01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, I'll talk tough on the board 1639 01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,479 Speaker 1: and everything else. The moment you say, hold on a second, 1640 01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,479 Speaker 1: a we're gonna start telling employe or is that they 1641 01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,479 Speaker 1: can't keep doing this, and that means finding them and 1642 01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:09,880 Speaker 1: holding them accountable. Then then Republicans in the Congress start 1643 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,000 Speaker 1: to get all, hey, hold on a second, we needn't 1644 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,519 Speaker 1: think this, think about this a little more. You know, 1645 01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,240 Speaker 1: we're a nation, we're a nation of immigrance. You know, 1646 01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,280 Speaker 1: they're doing the jobs Americans won't do. You know. Then 1647 01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:20,720 Speaker 1: the talking points come out, So I've already seen there's 1648 01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,160 Speaker 1: an impact here. I just want to note that that 1649 01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:26,000 Speaker 1: story and and now with that my friends will get 1650 01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,559 Speaker 1: into roll call. Man, it is a rainy and bleak 1651 01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,639 Speaker 1: day here in New York, and it feels like kind 1652 01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:35,599 Speaker 1: of a gut punch after yesterday when, for no apparent reason, 1653 01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,519 Speaker 1: it was in the mid seventies here it was it 1654 01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:44,879 Speaker 1: was straight up California t shirt weather, Hangton calibunga uh, 1655 01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,559 Speaker 1: even though no one ever has really said that except 1656 01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,400 Speaker 1: for the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles, and I guess Spaccoli 1657 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,559 Speaker 1: from Fast Times at Ridgemont High, which, by the way, 1658 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,519 Speaker 1: it's not not doesn't really stand up, doesn't we stand up. 1659 01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,439 Speaker 1: I got a little heat last night because I said 1660 01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,800 Speaker 1: something that you're all welcome to weigh in on two. 1661 01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,840 Speaker 1: I got a little heat because I just wrote on 1662 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:09,559 Speaker 1: Twitter that the Batman Trilogy by Nolan, you know, by 1663 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:15,360 Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan directed directed it, that is good but not great, 1664 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,280 Speaker 1: and everyone pretends it's amazing, and I just think it's true. 1665 01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:20,120 Speaker 1: It was on last night one of them, and I'm 1666 01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,280 Speaker 1: like this, There's so many plot holes. There's a lot 1667 01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:25,160 Speaker 1: of noise, you know, not a lot of character development. 1668 01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:29,280 Speaker 1: There's some problems. The first one is the best overall 1669 01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,760 Speaker 1: movie in my opinion. The second one has the best 1670 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,639 Speaker 1: performance Heath Ledger Arrest in Peace. He was the joker. 1671 01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,599 Speaker 1: The third one is just kind of a mess. The 1672 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,680 Speaker 1: third one doesn't even make any sense. I don't know. 1673 01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,479 Speaker 1: I was not into it. And Christopher Nolan, I think 1674 01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:46,120 Speaker 1: it's all a little grandiose and heavy handed sometimes. But 1675 01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, everyone thinks I'm well, not everyone. A lot 1676 01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,479 Speaker 1: of people think I'm wrong. On that one. I was 1677 01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:52,280 Speaker 1: just in a mood because I knew it was pouring 1678 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,640 Speaker 1: rain outside, just bleak, wet, rainy, dark nastiness here in 1679 01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:02,479 Speaker 1: New York, So, uh does affect your mood? Um, I'm 1680 01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,000 Speaker 1: excited that I get to have a dinner tonight after 1681 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:10,120 Speaker 1: the show with my little sis, who is an amazing lawyer. 1682 01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:14,960 Speaker 1: She's she's a lawyer who does all the important stuff 1683 01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,479 Speaker 1: that lawyer. I don't even really know what she does. 1684 01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,280 Speaker 1: Is realized that I know she's a lawyer, but I'm 1685 01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,280 Speaker 1: gonna beyond that. I can't speak to me specifics. We're 1686 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,280 Speaker 1: gonna hang out, have some big bro little cis time 1687 01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:26,479 Speaker 1: and chat about about life and all the different things. 1688 01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:32,240 Speaker 1: And it's important because she is the same age as 1689 01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,200 Speaker 1: Miss Molly, so that means that I can I can 1690 01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:37,960 Speaker 1: ask my little sis to tell me about what's going 1691 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,400 Speaker 1: on in the pop culture world, so I don't seem 1692 01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:44,120 Speaker 1: like some out of touch old fogy. And then I'm like, hey, 1693 01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,080 Speaker 1: do you hear about the new Tyler the Creator album? 1694 01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:53,479 Speaker 1: There's some great cuts on it, man, it's awesome. And 1695 01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,839 Speaker 1: also Taylor Swift, which I'm not gonna lie. I actually 1696 01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,360 Speaker 1: I do know a bit about Taylor Swift, so Lebrator 1697 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:05,719 Speaker 1: whole catalog. So now that I've sufficiently wandered off into 1698 01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,120 Speaker 1: no man's land here for no apparent reason. Let's get 1699 01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:15,559 Speaker 1: into some some roll call. Team buck it's time for 1700 01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,640 Speaker 1: roll call. I think it's a very important part of 1701 01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:22,880 Speaker 1: the show because it allows those of you who either 1702 01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:25,519 Speaker 1: listen a little later on, because you know, we've got 1703 01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,080 Speaker 1: the twenty four hour stream of this show, so you 1704 01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:30,200 Speaker 1: can just go to other bucks x and dot com 1705 01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,559 Speaker 1: or the I heart app anytime if you missed the show, 1706 01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:34,880 Speaker 1: you click and it just streams on the I heart 1707 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,080 Speaker 1: app the buck Sexton Show. So if you're listening on 1708 01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:41,000 Speaker 1: delay but there's something you really you're like, dag knabbit, Buck, 1709 01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,760 Speaker 1: you got that One't wrong again? U? You can you know, 1710 01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:49,240 Speaker 1: you can send me a very kind and supportive text, 1711 01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:53,360 Speaker 1: not text passage, sorry whoa email or Facebook message. Not 1712 01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,360 Speaker 1: giving out my cell phone number just yet, but email 1713 01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,799 Speaker 1: uh to official Team Bucket Gmail dot com or Facebook 1714 01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:03,160 Speaker 1: dot com slash buck Sexton, and that's I feel like 1715 01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,320 Speaker 1: that's a way to make sure that everybody's a part 1716 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:09,080 Speaker 1: of the conversation, not just our wonderful live callers throughout 1717 01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:13,160 Speaker 1: the show. So now with that we will get into 1718 01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:16,120 Speaker 1: some roll call. I do this, I do this as 1719 01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:20,200 Speaker 1: I go, So that means that sometimes I don't really know, 1720 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:21,960 Speaker 1: uh you know, I don't really know what I'm getting 1721 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,599 Speaker 1: until I get into it a little bit. So, James 1722 01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,640 Speaker 1: writes in Buck, I just finished season one of Sneaky 1723 01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:35,160 Speaker 1: Pete on Amazon. I loved it, starring Giovanni Rubisi and 1724 01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:39,600 Speaker 1: directed by Brian Cranston Sneaky Pete. I will write that 1725 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,920 Speaker 1: one down and I will check it out. I'm keeping 1726 01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,639 Speaker 1: two lists. One is the shows that I have either 1727 01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,160 Speaker 1: seen and want to go back to, and then the 1728 01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:52,080 Speaker 1: others new shows. So only go back to list the 1729 01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,920 Speaker 1: Americans Great Show. I just got distracted and then I 1730 01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,880 Speaker 1: stopped watching it because I don't know why the same 1731 01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,200 Speaker 1: thing with Justified Great Show didn't get to finish. And 1732 01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:06,040 Speaker 1: now I'm looking at some other stuff. Ozark, I'm burning 1733 01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:08,439 Speaker 1: through with Miss Molly. We went through the marvelous Mrs 1734 01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:11,439 Speaker 1: Masel very very quickly. The lead actress in that it's 1735 01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:16,000 Speaker 1: an Amazon Prime show lead actresses is incredible, very very talented. 1736 01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:22,320 Speaker 1: So let's get to here we go. Don next up here, 1737 01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,200 Speaker 1: rights Buck, you're an analyst. There seems to be a 1738 01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:29,320 Speaker 1: recurring pattern here. The Underwear Bomber reported the FBI by 1739 01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:32,960 Speaker 1: his father surnee of brothers reported the FBI by Russian officials. 1740 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:36,080 Speaker 1: Sandy Hook shooter, known to his high school officials and 1741 01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,720 Speaker 1: local police, is potentially violent. The Arizona shooter, known to 1742 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,759 Speaker 1: his high school officials and local police, is potentially violent. 1743 01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,639 Speaker 1: The Aurora shooter, known to university officials, is potentially violent. 1744 01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:49,839 Speaker 1: The South Texas church shooter known to Air Force officials 1745 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,439 Speaker 1: for domestic violence, the Florida shooter known to high school 1746 01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:56,519 Speaker 1: officials and local police, and the FBI was notified that 1747 01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:02,040 Speaker 1: he was potentially violent. This what you've just written to me, 1748 01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:05,200 Speaker 1: Donna's that's all accurate from my memory here. All of 1749 01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:07,400 Speaker 1: those things you just wrote to me are true. All 1750 01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:12,200 Speaker 1: those statements are accurate. It is it is not let's 1751 01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,360 Speaker 1: be let's be serious about it. It It is not confidence 1752 01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:18,160 Speaker 1: inspiring for the FBI's ability to intervene and deter. But 1753 01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, this is a whole other discussion, and it's 1754 01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,519 Speaker 1: not one that a lot of folks generally like to 1755 01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:26,000 Speaker 1: get into. But I'm not going to shy away from 1756 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:31,240 Speaker 1: it just because law enforcement exactly like law enforcement exists 1757 01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:35,880 Speaker 1: to create the uh, the normalcy of data of a 1758 01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,840 Speaker 1: day to day life where you have an expectation of 1759 01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,200 Speaker 1: some rule of law, some piece, some safety, some security, 1760 01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:45,559 Speaker 1: all of that. Right, law enforcement also does a whole 1761 01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:49,320 Speaker 1: lot of punishment after the fact for those who break 1762 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:54,200 Speaker 1: the law invested. A lot of investigations are about I 1763 01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:57,960 Speaker 1: mean a vast majority of investigations are about what has happened, 1764 01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,320 Speaker 1: and then you get into well, how do you stop 1765 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,880 Speaker 1: somebody who would be a mass shooter? That's similar conversations, 1766 01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,880 Speaker 1: So how do you stop somebody who has radicalized and 1767 01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:12,799 Speaker 1: would be a terrorist? And intervening and preventing someone from 1768 01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:17,920 Speaker 1: taking an illegal action in the absence of illegal action 1769 01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:23,240 Speaker 1: is not something that law enforcement excels at. And there 1770 01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,439 Speaker 1: are some structural reasons for that law enforce in this case, 1771 01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the FBI, but there are reasons for that. 1772 01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:33,519 Speaker 1: One is that it's just really hard to do and 1773 01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,920 Speaker 1: I understand that, right. So this is where we start 1774 01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:39,960 Speaker 1: to get into pre crime, that Tom Cruise movie, that 1775 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,679 Speaker 1: whole notion of stopping someone before they do something bad 1776 01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,120 Speaker 1: because you know they're gonna do it, Well, how do 1777 01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:50,040 Speaker 1: you really know? But then also you see how we 1778 01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:52,479 Speaker 1: have a different approach in this country. I've mentioned this 1779 01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:57,000 Speaker 1: to you before to what we do with intelligence versus 1780 01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:01,479 Speaker 1: law enforcement. You know, Britain has uh M I five, 1781 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,720 Speaker 1: Germany has the I believe it's the b f V. 1782 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:09,439 Speaker 1: The French have the d G S I. So there 1783 01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:14,200 Speaker 1: are all these different European countries that take essentially an 1784 01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:19,880 Speaker 1: intelligence collection approach and apply it specifically to preventing things 1785 01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:24,400 Speaker 1: from happening in those countries where and now whether they 1786 01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,800 Speaker 1: do it better or not as a separate discussion, But 1787 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:31,200 Speaker 1: here we have the FBI is not really an intelligence agency, 1788 01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:34,599 Speaker 1: it's a law enforcement agency, and there's always attention there. 1789 01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:39,720 Speaker 1: So the intervention before the event can be tricky, right, 1790 01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,559 Speaker 1: because you want to first of all, you have to know, 1791 01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:44,880 Speaker 1: as I said, and then also you have to make 1792 01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,040 Speaker 1: sure that if you do intervene, you have a sound 1793 01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,519 Speaker 1: basis for it. You don't blow sources and methods, you 1794 01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,400 Speaker 1: don't accelerate other planning that could be going on from 1795 01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:56,479 Speaker 1: associated individuals. There's a lot of different moving pieces in this. 1796 01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:03,719 Speaker 1: Preventing evil, venting wrong doing, preventing lawbreaking is a whole 1797 01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:08,439 Speaker 1: lot harder than punishing those who break the law. And 1798 01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,519 Speaker 1: that's a that's a disparity that I don't think we 1799 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,360 Speaker 1: spend much time thinking about when we look at these events. 1800 01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:20,520 Speaker 1: But we've gotten really good as a society at punishing lawbreakers. 1801 01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:24,120 Speaker 1: We've gotten really good at you know, if you commit 1802 01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,360 Speaker 1: a murder and you have any connection to the person, 1803 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,200 Speaker 1: there's a very good chance, very good chance you'll be charged, 1804 01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:32,960 Speaker 1: whether you'll whether a jury of peers will go along, 1805 01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,639 Speaker 1: and that can be a little more tricky sometimes. Um, 1806 01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:40,320 Speaker 1: but that's you know that, that's where we are right now. 1807 01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,880 Speaker 1: It's it's not a it's not an easy thing to 1808 01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:45,160 Speaker 1: do to say, hey, you've got to stop people before 1809 01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:49,000 Speaker 1: they take illegal acts. Now, before anyone starts yelling at me. 1810 01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:51,400 Speaker 1: I understand in the case of the floor is shooting, 1811 01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:57,760 Speaker 1: there were illegal acts, comments about illegal threats, uh, and 1812 01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:59,960 Speaker 1: there was a basis for mental health intervention. I get 1813 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,439 Speaker 1: all that, But I'm just saying in general, so so 1814 01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:05,240 Speaker 1: law enforces straight up did everyone's been saying It's true, 1815 01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:08,519 Speaker 1: drop the ball on that. But in general, it's going 1816 01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,559 Speaker 1: to be harder to stop somebody from doing something than 1817 01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,880 Speaker 1: to punish people who do wrong and then hope that 1818 01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:18,479 Speaker 1: that keeps the rest of us basically on line. In 1819 01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:23,360 Speaker 1: line cade with the following I Good Morning Book I 1820 01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,400 Speaker 1: have a request for you to send to your tech nerds. 1821 01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm a daily podcast listener and I often have trouble 1822 01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:33,040 Speaker 1: hearing the podcast. Can you have the volume increased? Also, 1823 01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm completely disgusted about what I saw on CNN last night. 1824 01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,519 Speaker 1: I'm not sure of seeing anything like it. Imagine if 1825 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:41,200 Speaker 1: they did something similar to Clinton or Obama regarding any 1826 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,719 Speaker 1: number of topics. Yeah, I'm I mean, that's I've been saying. Cade. 1827 01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:48,280 Speaker 1: I am completely horrified by the whole thing too. Although 1828 01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,599 Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me at all. I know CNN well 1829 01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,559 Speaker 1: up close and personal, nothing about what happened. They're surprised me. 1830 01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,000 Speaker 1: In fact, I was expecting it. I didn't watch it 1831 01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:00,400 Speaker 1: because I knew it would happen, and then I realized, well, 1832 01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,360 Speaker 1: it was so grotesque that I have to go back 1833 01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,280 Speaker 1: and watch it. So I did in the in the 1834 01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:08,080 Speaker 1: wee hours of the morning last night. Um. But and 1835 01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:10,519 Speaker 1: as to the podcast, the guys here telling me I 1836 01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,080 Speaker 1: just need to speak in the Mike Moore, I get 1837 01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,840 Speaker 1: very animated in the hut, and so sometimes I I 1838 01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:19,840 Speaker 1: bounce around and you know, I uh, sometimes I'm moving 1839 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,080 Speaker 1: my hands around and stuff, and I forget that my 1840 01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,880 Speaker 1: Mike is not near my mouth, So I'm gonna try 1841 01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:26,920 Speaker 1: to be a little more discipline. I'm gonna have greater 1842 01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:30,400 Speaker 1: Mike disciplinestead of you know, people talking about muzzle discipline 1843 01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:33,280 Speaker 1: gotta be safe. Uh, Mike discipline is something I'm gonna 1844 01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:36,120 Speaker 1: work on here. With that, my friends, I am gonna 1845 01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:39,120 Speaker 1: shut down the Freedom Hunt for the evening. But tomorrow 1846 01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,719 Speaker 1: we got a Freestyle Friday coming your way. I already 1847 01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:45,200 Speaker 1: have some fun surprises in store for you. Hopefully, if 1848 01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,360 Speaker 1: the news cycle cooperates, will have kind of a a 1849 01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:51,160 Speaker 1: chilled out and relaxing show. I'm hoping that will be 1850 01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:53,599 Speaker 1: possible to take us into the weekend. So get ready 1851 01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,800 Speaker 1: for that, and until then, no matter what comes your way, 1852 01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:00,120 Speaker 1: Shields Hi