Speaker 1: So this is rewives. I have never ever had a
Speaker 1: housewife on rewives. That's not what the show is. Paul
Speaker 1: initially suggested that I do a rewatch show and that
Speaker 1: it would be sort of more housewife central, and I
Speaker 1: decided to invite notable, famous and interesting business people and
Speaker 1: celebrities to talk to break down housewives episodes and sort
Speaker 1: of attribute it to real life.
Speaker 2: And it's done really well.
Speaker 1: But I made an exception today and so it was
Speaker 1: never about having housewives, So today I made an exception
Speaker 1: to that rule. And my guest today is Jill Zarin.
Speaker 1: So welcome to rewives.
Speaker 2: So happy to be here. And I love being the first.
Speaker 1: Thank you, the first, possibly the only we shall see,
Speaker 1: but definitely the first.
Speaker 2: And I'm really glad it.
Speaker 1: Is you because there have been different things that I've
Speaker 1: thought about, but it just didn't make sense, and this
Speaker 1: completely clicked. It was an amazing idea. It was Paul's idea.
Speaker 1: This was really the idea. Just the idea wasn't that
Speaker 1: we would have a reunion and talk about it everywhere
Speaker 1: else and make it a shoot. It was just he
Speaker 1: thought that we should break down the show on this show.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know all the context about us in details,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't realize that, like, we couldn't just get
Speaker 1: in here and start talking about them without talking about us.
Speaker 1: So on, you know, just be we reunite, and now
Speaker 1: we're talking about the new show. So you just told
Speaker 1: me that it's season fourteen.
Speaker 3: It's season okay. So I guess everybody who listens to
Speaker 3: the show knows the show knows what you know knows
Speaker 3: about real housewives. And it went through kind of a
Speaker 3: metamorphosis because it had a bad.
Speaker 2: Season and realized a New York season.
Speaker 3: Instead of which a lot of people that let it breathe,
Speaker 3: give it a year, give it a year and a half,
Speaker 3: come back, maybe cast a few new people, they just
Speaker 3: completely decimated it and decided to break it off into
Speaker 3: two and that they would completely get rid of everybody
Speaker 3: on the cast and hire a new cast. What I
Speaker 3: I'm confused about is if they were going to do that,
Speaker 3: why not call it season one, fresh and new.
Speaker 2: You know, Gary was coming up with some names.
Speaker 3: That it could have been, but not real houses in
Speaker 3: New York City, which everybody knows what it is, who's
Speaker 3: on it, and without having a transfer of power, you know,
Speaker 3: at least having them come on a few at a time,
Speaker 3: and you know, transitioning to just start clean and call
Speaker 3: it season fourteen, is call.
Speaker 2: It something else. I'm saying it something else because it's
Speaker 2: either way. I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're, well, it's funny because you before we
Speaker 1: were talking, you'll bring up your whole Rainbow room and
Speaker 1: the current the Ramona and the original cast not being
Speaker 1: at the premiere, and we'll get into that. But it's
Speaker 1: like you're kind of dancing with two different people at
Speaker 1: the same time, like you either get.
Speaker 2: Out or get in. Like they're sort.
Speaker 1: Of calling it season fourteen, as you pointed out to me,
Speaker 1: And so they're keeping the franchise name because they want
Speaker 1: the brand of the name.
Speaker 3: Was when you sell the show and things like that,
Speaker 3: you get to carry you get that X. So if
Speaker 3: you're a fan of the Housewives of New York and
Speaker 3: you're going to start with episode one, two, three, four,
Speaker 3: you're going to crawl and grab fourteen and grab this
Speaker 3: new cast so they get that kind of bonus. Otherwise
Speaker 3: you'd have to go you're talking about Okay, so if
Speaker 3: it was season one of a new show, then somebody
Speaker 3: watching television would have to find the show and want
Speaker 3: to watch it and watch the episode I'm saying, but
Speaker 3: they were saying they're picking up season fourteen, So anybody
Speaker 3: who's watching ten, eleven, twelve.
Speaker 2: Third, you're just saying they have a fan base. It's
Speaker 2: a brand.
Speaker 3: It's bringing a fan base that I feel wasn't appreciated
Speaker 3: by how it was introduced at the Rainbow Room, which
Speaker 3: is what you're just meaning.
Speaker 1: Well, you're saying that they're bringing what I'm saying, they're
Speaker 1: doing two things. They refreshed it completely with a new
Speaker 1: type of cast. They didn't refresh the name. They didn't
Speaker 1: invite the previous cast to the rain Room. But I
Speaker 1: think it started with the announcement. I was on Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen's show, and he had publicly said he was shocked
Speaker 1: that I was doing Rewives because I had trashed the
Speaker 1: show so much so to be doing a podcast about it.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter if I trashed the show or didn't,
Speaker 1: which I didn't trash it. I just said I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be there.
Speaker 2: I still have a.
Speaker 1: Right to talk about something that I was involved in.
Speaker 1: So I have a show. A monkey could do a
Speaker 1: show about the housewives. Did they want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: So certainly Bethany Frankel canna have a show talking about
Speaker 1: the housewife. So there was a shade from Andy. And
Speaker 1: then I was on his show and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: and also, you know, you criticize the announcement. And I
Speaker 1: did criticize the announcement because I thought, from a marketing perspective,
Speaker 1: on one day to say, over here on the left, everybody,
Speaker 1: look over here, we're gonna do a show with legacy,
Speaker 1: But we have no fucking idea who's gonna be on it.
Speaker 2: We're not going to tell you that.
Speaker 1: Now. We're just telling you we're gonna do a legacy
Speaker 1: placehold there one day. Okay, we're putting a little thumbtack
Speaker 1: over here with no information because we ourselves don't know
Speaker 1: the information because we haven't cast it. Over here, everybody
Speaker 1: on the right, we're gonna tell you another story. We're
Speaker 1: doing a completely new cast. You didn't know which way
Speaker 1: to look, You didn't understand what was happening. And I
Speaker 1: think it was like it just was a box job.
Speaker 1: It was like you didn't understand and there was no
Speaker 1: good meat. It was just so they had to say something.
Speaker 1: Something had to be saying Okay, So that was my
Speaker 1: opinion though I was boring. I don't understand what you
Speaker 1: just said. You said nothing. It's like, no, there's no meat.
Speaker 1: Who's the new cast, who's the legacy?
Speaker 2: Like it was just like weird. I thought, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to disagree. Okay, So that was how I was
Speaker 2: coming in. Then we find it that there's a whole
Speaker 2: new cast with a whole new, refreshed show, and I
Speaker 2: like you think, okay, new Blood in New York has
Speaker 2: a new, good idea.
Speaker 3: By the way, some of the girls were where you
Speaker 3: were when you started, right, not married, starting out like
Speaker 3: you told me.
Speaker 1: See, like you're not in the demo like we're were
Speaker 1: in my fifth I'm in my fifties.
Speaker 2: I was in my thirties. I was one of the
Speaker 2: younger ones. We're not in the demo. I agree with you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's okay. I agree.
Speaker 1: Go enjoy, have a new show and call it whatever
Speaker 1: you want, call it housewise. So you're saying I did
Speaker 1: not know this that the existing the previous New York
Speaker 1: Housewives were not invited to the premiere party.
Speaker 3: So I read, I mean there was a big premiere party. Listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie season one and you know this. Okay,
Speaker 3: of course, there was no much for anything. Okay, I
Speaker 3: paid for I think some of them. Maybe we all
Speaker 3: paid five hundred dollars eas, I don't know, whatever it was.
Speaker 3: I remember hustling to try to get a free club,
Speaker 3: hustling together.
Speaker 2: Remembers hustle, hustle, hustle because.
Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to pay for it at the net parties,
Speaker 3: and I never wanted any party, I know.
Speaker 2: But I've got some cute pictures of you.
Speaker 3: I can give you those later too, I think, by
Speaker 3: the way, I think I was the documentary and of
Speaker 3: the show. I have all the pictures, I believe, and
Speaker 3: I have not you know, hoard them out. I kept
Speaker 3: it on the first show?
Speaker 2: What did you wear? What did I wear?
Speaker 3: On the first Ali wore a red dress, like a
Speaker 3: little proof dress.
Speaker 2: I wore. I remember, do you know what I was wearing?
Speaker 2: Because I had a rainbow dress with that mask.
Speaker 3: You were wearing black with silver at the premier party. Okay, fabulous, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to send you anyway. So my point is
Speaker 3: I felt a little bit envious because I felt that
Speaker 3: when I was to mind you.
Speaker 2: It was season one, season two, seas before.
Speaker 3: We never really got support from the network with production
Speaker 3: company as far as having a premier party. I think
Speaker 3: one year we had a big one, that's true, at
Speaker 3: the Palace, I remember that.
Speaker 2: But other than that, it was kind of like there
Speaker 2: was a botch job.
Speaker 3: It was, but nobody can'd and it was up to
Speaker 3: the cast to do it or to so shy. Well,
Speaker 3: you were there longer than I was, and so I
Speaker 3: went to very few being a disaster. So so now
Speaker 3: season one of the show, they are getting a huge
Speaker 3: paid party at the Rainbow Room, flying in all these stars,
Speaker 3: all these executives, everybody, and listen.
Speaker 2: I don't expect to be invited to anything. I'm not
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 3: I'm not part of the cast, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: lie and I'm not best friends with everybody on the
Speaker 3: cast of House Ies of New York.
Speaker 2: I felt bad for them. I thought they got dissed.
Speaker 3: I thought that for all the years and and and
Speaker 3: time and energy and money and everything and their heart
Speaker 3: and soul into a show that they were fired from,
Speaker 3: they should I think they should have been invited, you know,
Speaker 3: if they didn't want to go, but I think they
Speaker 3: should have been invited and I just think it makes
Speaker 3: it look.
Speaker 1: Bad because you're always coming from like the heart side
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm coming from the business side.
Speaker 2: Of the marketing of a head.
Speaker 1: It's a botch job, Like you're not going to get
Speaker 1: more more juice out of the apple by having the
Speaker 1: previous ones handed over, more pictures, more impressions, more posts,
Speaker 1: more house and.
Speaker 3: They would have gone, even though maybe they shouldn't have gone,
Speaker 3: they probably would have gone. Yeah, and it's supportive. I mean,
Speaker 3: the truth is, like the network watch all.
Speaker 2: There aren't done one hundred, have twenty New York Housewives come.
Speaker 3: They could have had a reunion of all of them
Speaker 3: passing the baton, which, by the way, I was very good.
Speaker 2: I didn't think of it. I didn't care, but I
Speaker 2: like Gary flattered.
Speaker 3: And maybe it wasn't done on purpose, but I'll give
Speaker 3: you know credit that it was done on purpose. That
Speaker 3: Andy invited me to Bravo Khan on stage the night
Speaker 3: that they were introducing Will Housewives the new cast for
Speaker 3: the first time, I felt I was deliberately invited because
Speaker 3: I am the one who's got the heart with the
Speaker 3: big smile, and you know, it's funny. Last night on
Speaker 3: Andy's show, Brynn the young the bethanis right, the young one,
Speaker 3: she said, let's go.
Speaker 1: I hope the one with the tag showing in her
Speaker 1: dress Israeli is the Bethany.
Speaker 3: I just mean, I just mean the young Okay, young hot.
Speaker 3: I think of young and hot. So take it as
Speaker 3: a goment prob.
Speaker 1: She says, epectfully. She's a beautiful girl. I was going
Speaker 1: to get into all you can tell anything. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I took it. I give her a compliment, to
Speaker 1: give to you a compliment. And she said to Andy
Speaker 1: that the first person that you know who gave her
Speaker 1: any whatever was me and that and I didn't remember this.
Speaker 1: She says that when she was scared going out on
Speaker 1: the stage, she looked to me and I gave her
Speaker 1: a big smile and that and that gave her like
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I did that because that's what I
Speaker 1: want to do. And and you know, and Andy said, so,
Speaker 1: who have you heard from? Like who was the first
Speaker 1: person you heard from? And you know whatever?
Speaker 3: And they all will like Jill's aron, and you know,
Speaker 3: Andy wanted to say something nasty like Caddie to me,
Speaker 3: like of course it was Jill and I know he
Speaker 3: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Say it, but he didn't.
Speaker 3: He yelled his tongue because I don't do it because
Speaker 3: I get anything for it.
Speaker 2: I do it because that's really me. Do you not
Speaker 2: know me?
Speaker 3: It's fourteen years and you like a little action. But
Speaker 3: I wasn't doing it to get pressed like I did it.
Speaker 2: I don't think you did it tog five.
Speaker 3: Months ago when they first got cast and said, if
Speaker 3: you ever need anything, he has my number.
Speaker 2: If you're scared, you did it to a press. I
Speaker 2: think you like you like being in the mix a little.
Speaker 3: I literally did it because I'm like Mama bear, and
Speaker 3: I feel like they're there.
Speaker 2: I wish somebody helped me.
Speaker 3: I wish when I went on TV the first time,
Speaker 3: somebody said to me, if this happens, don't be frightened.
Speaker 2: It happens to all of us. Like to give me
Speaker 2: some security.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're such a bad And Jenna Lyons asked
Speaker 1: a mutual friend if she could talk to me, and
Speaker 1: so did Kathy Hilton. And I want no part of
Speaker 1: it because it always comes back to bite you in
Speaker 1: the ass. I stay far away at all, play your
Speaker 1: own game, live your own life. Because they they and then,
Speaker 1: of course Kathy later said Bethany. Bethany said, talk to Kyle,
Speaker 1: because I did say talk to it. I don't want
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I don't anyway. That's just you're
Speaker 1: a better person than I am, or not different. I
Speaker 1: don't want to live it out. You said it perfectly.
Speaker 1: You said I'm the heart, you're the business. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you don't have a heart. But that's like
Speaker 1: the first thing I got in. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to get involved. And then I gave advice, and then
Speaker 1: it's impressed for five months about the advice I gave,
Speaker 1: and it was the right advice.
Speaker 2: I don't I just don't want to be involved. I
Speaker 2: just don't. I just it's just it's just who I am. Sorry.
Speaker 1: I just don't want someone to say to me, how
Speaker 1: do I play it? Because I also think it's inauthentic,
Speaker 1: and we can get to that, because what am I
Speaker 1: going to tell them the God Handbook to how to play?
Speaker 1: Because they never want me to just say be yourself.
Speaker 1: They want me to say, like, how did you do it?
Speaker 1: As if I have some secret sauce way that I
Speaker 1: like was so successful at it? And that's the problem,
Speaker 1: and we're going to get into that. That's what I
Speaker 1: ultimately mean. The people that are asking me want to
Speaker 1: know how to like win the game, how to play
Speaker 1: make money, how to be the game, make money, how
Speaker 1: to be a how to be a quote unquote good housewise.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that means, Bethany. It means like, yeah,
Speaker 2: how to be six, how to do what I did?
Speaker 2: Who do you think the most?
Speaker 3: Okay, take you out of it, who's the most Who
Speaker 3: won the game? Who's winning the game right now?
Speaker 2: In Housewives?
Speaker 1: I think that Kyle Mauricio are doing well because he
Speaker 1: is a real estate business that has benefited tremendously from
Speaker 1: the money.
Speaker 2: So what are you talking about? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is there something else winning? No, one's benefited from a spirituality.
Speaker 2: No, That's why I said. So. They all want to
Speaker 2: know the secret to making money.
Speaker 1: They just want me to help them navigate it. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: people are doing it because they want to have that
Speaker 1: kind of success.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, That's why I'm breaking it down, like, and
Speaker 2: I don't think they're.
Speaker 1: Doing it because I know the Jenna Lines wants to
Speaker 1: be popular. I mean I think she wants to make money,
Speaker 1: makes well, yes, and I actually think she looked a
Speaker 1: little in bearre. We're going to get into it, okay,
Speaker 1: So so.
Speaker 2: So I like you though, and you know I will
Speaker 2: mention it all. I like you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like happy for the new people, like
Speaker 1: whoever they are. And now I know because I watched
Speaker 1: this episode like you, but like go for yours, go
Speaker 1: get it, yay new for refreshed whatever. So when I
Speaker 1: speak about this today, I want to be respectful because
Speaker 1: they seem like nice girls. One of them did reach
Speaker 1: out and I don't remember what I said to them,
Speaker 1: but I think it was on Instagram, and I said,
Speaker 1: like be yourself or try you know, how can I
Speaker 1: do like a fortune cookie advice to her? But I
Speaker 1: actually am rooting for them, like I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I'm too. And what we're going to say today is
Speaker 2: to me more.
Speaker 1: About the producing and the casting of the show, because
Speaker 1: it's not about the girls individually. They seem nice, they
Speaker 1: seem attractive, they seems so funny.
Speaker 3: I said that because I all my comments I said
Speaker 3: to Gary and to Ali was about production and a
Speaker 3: lot of the other stuff, not about the girls.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm not going to say something bad about one girl,
Speaker 1: like they all seemed lovely and they're.
Speaker 3: Going in to get there scared to death. I don't
Speaker 3: want to beat them up.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I'm not. I have no I literally don't
Speaker 1: want to. I have no interest.
Speaker 3: But I think some of the shows, some of the
Speaker 3: cast members are I think that other people are trying.
Speaker 1: Okay, So first of all, walk you know, jealous, back
Speaker 1: up and walk into it. So we're walking into a
Speaker 1: new show. And one of the girls did say publicly
Speaker 1: one of the fatal errors that I think housewives make
Speaker 1: when they come in is they immediately want to separate themselves,
Speaker 1: Like I saw it happen with Carol, Like she's different
Speaker 1: and she worked for ABC News, and she dated George Clooney,
Speaker 1: and like there's an elevation. It's just an energy of
Speaker 1: an elevation, almost like I'm better than you from one
Speaker 1: of those claws and one of those machines at a
Speaker 1: carnival that pulls out the rubber toys and someone threw
Speaker 1: you into the house Like oh yeah, I know. And
Speaker 1: I'm just different these people around here. So everyone wants
Speaker 1: to show how different. So one of the girls said
Speaker 1: something about, like we're not flying around and plavate planes
Speaker 1: and our husbands whatever, and Derinda and then you know,
Speaker 1: I know you have a history with her, but take
Speaker 1: the fact Dorinda was like, yeah, none of us serve
Speaker 1: like flying around at our husband's private planes, like you know,
Speaker 1: everybody on the Housewives wasn't that.
Speaker 2: It just it just wasn't an accurate statement.
Speaker 1: The new girls acted like they work for their money
Speaker 1: and like Dorinda was on her back her money, and
Speaker 1: Durnda was married, but like Drinda works now, and Ramona
Speaker 1: made her own money, and I was broke and Husky
Speaker 1: made I made my own money. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's a doesn't seem like we're all just like you know, yes,
Speaker 1: leu Anne was married to someone and he left their
Speaker 1: money and then she made it into something else. It
Speaker 1: just felt like it was positioned as if like we're
Speaker 1: different because we really work and you guys were there
Speaker 1: was that started all saying so that that was one thing,
Speaker 1: okay that happened before, and I read that, I think
Speaker 1: it was the same person. The girl's sigh and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if that's the one who I reached down
Speaker 1: to on Instagram. I'm mixing up to of the women,
Speaker 1: but she's said ahead of time. And I'm not blaming
Speaker 1: the women for this because they've been watching this show
Speaker 1: for years. All the show is studying, which is a
Speaker 1: mistake and it can never be fresh like it was
Speaker 1: with us. But they're walking in and she said, I
Speaker 1: borrowed four hundred thousand dollars with the clothes. I didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, have to pay for one thing to wear.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to put on outfits that the
Speaker 1: audience would like. And it really the end, she said,
Speaker 1: And we'll get to both, and she said, like something.
Speaker 2: We just want to make a good show.
Speaker 1: And there was something about it to me was that
Speaker 1: it was like when I came back by actors Now,
Speaker 1: it was like when I came back and I think
Speaker 1: about what I was wearing in the first season, what
Speaker 1: you and I were wearing. I we just wearing whatever
Speaker 1: we had. We were wearing whatever we had in our closet,
Speaker 1: and we didn't think about it.
Speaker 3: Stress, do you remember that? Because they told us we
Speaker 3: couldn't wear the same outfit.
Speaker 2: Twice and said no, we're black, and no break all
Speaker 2: these rules.
Speaker 3: And they weren't paying for anything, but yet I had
Speaker 3: were making fifty I was lost so much money.
Speaker 1: But the point is we just wore whatever we had
Speaker 1: in our closet and we didn't get hair and makeup.
Speaker 1: I sometimes I went to the Trish McAvoy counter to
Speaker 1: buy a lip class.
Speaker 2: You know what, They wouldn't cast us today? Well that
Speaker 2: I've seven a million times. You don't never cast no.
Speaker 1: But so the girls have had so much time to
Speaker 1: study this medium and come in in a social media world.
Speaker 1: And when I came back to the Housewives and it
Speaker 1: was Heather, Kristen and Carol and also no disrespect to them,
Speaker 1: everybody was in hair and makeup and wardrobe and it
Speaker 1: was so it was the Berkshire's and I was like wow.
Speaker 1: And so that to me was the fatal eraror. I
Speaker 1: used to think Kristen, like, we.
Speaker 2: Are a person out.
Speaker 3: I don't care about your skirt, No, but is it
Speaker 3: a fatal And I'll tell you why, Beverly Hills. I
Speaker 3: think the reason why it's the highest rated show or
Speaker 3: one of the highest rated shows, and I love the
Speaker 3: show is because I like to see the aspirational. I
Speaker 3: do like to see the or I like to hate
Speaker 3: on it, like maybe I'll hate the outfit or she's
Speaker 3: too over the top. But I watch it and and
Speaker 3: I do like the houses, and I do like the clothes.
Speaker 3: And I love Erica Jane with the hair and the
Speaker 3: makeup because maybe I can't do that, but I see
Speaker 3: someone else who can do it really well.
Speaker 1: And she started it. But and she started all of
Speaker 1: this that we're talking about. Credit, No, she started.
Speaker 2: But Beverly Hills is like not a real place to
Speaker 2: begin with.
Speaker 3: And I know, but that's for who they are looking at.
Speaker 3: They're not looking at us there.
Speaker 1: But that's what the beauty and the charm of the
Speaker 1: show in New York was. In my opinion, Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: was is big, giant, palatial. You could have a seven
Speaker 1: million dollar house in Beverly Hills and think about what
Speaker 1: that looks like. A seven million doll I had a
Speaker 1: seven million dollar house. I joined back, it's an apartment.
Speaker 1: I know, like you can't compare. So they have that.
Speaker 1: We had to kind of you know, it's just you
Speaker 1: have to focus on different things.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying here it felt like.
Speaker 3: We had houses in the Hamptons. I just have to
Speaker 3: defend it. These girls, I don't think too like houses.
Speaker 1: I think they all have apartments, right, but they were
Speaker 1: coming in produced.
Speaker 2: It felt forced.
Speaker 1: It felt like every it all felt to me like
Speaker 1: it was produced. It felt like every single person had
Speaker 1: gone through like this glossing and this. I think it's
Speaker 1: the casting, like you.
Speaker 3: Said, it's the casting process. What they're looking for now
Speaker 3: is not what they looked for when they hired us.
Speaker 1: Yes, but if you can, if you can listen, Erica
Speaker 1: brings a lot, like it's not just the way she's looking,
Speaker 1: she brings a lot, and so you've got to be
Speaker 1: able to back it up. And she came into an
Speaker 1: already seasoned cast as the one person that was shiny
Speaker 1: like that. Then Door recopied her Lisa ren a copy.
Speaker 1: They all copied it because of Erica. But she walked
Speaker 1: into a seasoned cast. Here's five new shiny hood ornaments.
Speaker 1: We were all train wrecks. I know, we were all.
Speaker 2: I've run with a fabulous circle of people, the New
Speaker 2: York magazine and a real social I thought that were
Speaker 2: like what I was broken a studio park.
Speaker 1: We were all flawed and it's too perfect there, it's forced.
Speaker 3: I just feel like New York Housewives, like you said,
Speaker 3: was a certain kind of cast and that they should
Speaker 3: have kept it going, and I even said, maybe make
Speaker 3: it second generation, if there is a sprinkling new and old,
Speaker 3: or even second generation. The Alley's the averys if that
Speaker 3: generation going to to bring, you know, to start to
Speaker 3: bring them, because they're gonna get married, they're gonna have weddings,
Speaker 3: they gonna have babies, and then then they all the housewives.
Speaker 3: And well she's two point oh no, no, but you
Speaker 3: know what I mean two point oh And that's what
Speaker 3: is This cast is not the same, and with social
Speaker 3: media and everything, it's just a different day.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a different show.
Speaker 1: But I think that I think that they're redundant of
Speaker 1: each other. I think they all seem similar. They're all
Speaker 1: so fashioned, savvy, and they all they all seem very
Speaker 1: similar to me in casting, like they've cast the same
Speaker 1: type of person.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a little hypocritical, But does
Speaker 3: it bother you that when they let go and I'm
Speaker 3: so defensive of New York and I shouldn't be. I
Speaker 3: don't have no reason to be, but I am. When
Speaker 3: they let go of all the girls, they say that
Speaker 3: they wanted to cast a diverse cast of friends, real friends,
Speaker 3: real authentic and they made a point to say real,
Speaker 3: authentic friends, and then they pick a cast that they
Speaker 3: don't know each other.
Speaker 1: Because you can't cast like that, it's impossible in New York.
Speaker 1: But then don't say you are great, you love a
Speaker 1: little detail, you love that.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I know, I do get into the mud. But the
Speaker 1: girl so I said, we represent New York. So let's
Speaker 1: be honest about that.
Speaker 2: I am not.
Speaker 1: This is not shady. I think the girls are beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think they're smart, I think they're entertaining. I think
Speaker 1: they're good. I do not think that they as a
Speaker 1: group represent nobody. Nobody represents new Yorker's New York has
Speaker 1: a million faces. No, but right, but like there's not
Speaker 1: one mom whose hair looks a wreck. That's just that
Speaker 1: has money. You're fine, you want to have aspirational they
Speaker 1: have money. Great, that has money that like my friends
Speaker 1: who make seven figures a year look like train wrecks
Speaker 1: half the time. They're trying to get their food, kids
Speaker 1: to school. Like it just represented a bunch of polished ornaments.
Speaker 3: I just want, I want to make a commentary. And
Speaker 3: this is maybe I shouldn't say, but I'm going to
Speaker 3: say it anyway.
Speaker 2: Well, you shouldn't. But here we go at all.
Speaker 3: So the original cast also included a girl named Lizzie
Speaker 3: oh mcgraby, a nice girl, and for whatever reason it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, it fell apart. But they filmed with her
Speaker 3: in the beginning. I think for a week or two
Speaker 3: they had to cut out all that. They chose to
Speaker 3: cut out the footage they could, Yeah, but it's irrelevant.
Speaker 2: Why, Okay, it doesn't matter. Conversation doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: So they could have kept her in and then kind
Speaker 3: of gotten rid of her, but they chose to like
Speaker 3: just edit her out. I think this is production. I
Speaker 3: think they had a problem starting the show from scratch
Speaker 3: the way they wanted to because they had to edit
Speaker 3: out everything they filmed with her, so all that was
Speaker 3: on the garbage. Because I felt last night's episode was
Speaker 3: like episode three.
Speaker 1: I felt like a couple of flashbacks. I get it,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't like I wanted to be introduced
Speaker 1: to them. Maybe it shouldn't taken as long as it did.
Speaker 2: Have a tick on my neck, that's cool? Are you
Speaker 2: kidding me? There's literally a tick on my neck? Take
Speaker 2: a picture. Fucking I'm not a Papa Rozza. I just
Speaker 2: want I just have a tick. I need to because
Speaker 2: you should have a picture.
Speaker 1: Kiss. I have a tick on my neck, just wondering
Speaker 1: if anyone cares. I've never had a tick on my
Speaker 1: body in my life. It's a fucking real tick, Jill,
Speaker 1: we don't have a hot needle.
Speaker 2: Gary was shooting rewives. What the are you talking?
Speaker 1: Just just get it out, Just get it out.
Speaker 2: Send the picture. What are you gonna do? Make a portrait?
Speaker 2: I have a tick on my piece of papers to find.
Speaker 1: No, it didn't bite me. It was it was just
Speaker 1: crawling on me. It wasn't sucking my blood. Oh great, doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor Garrey. What's Gary's last name?
Speaker 2: Brodie?
Speaker 1: Can I squish it? Why that that's a myth? What's
Speaker 1: gonna happen to it? It's gonna come back like a transformer? Alright,
Speaker 1: it's it's all right.
Speaker 2: Back to the show on you were a table. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I reflexed. Okay, how did you feel it? I felt
Speaker 1: a little crawling, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I wasn't even outside. Somebody make
Speaker 2: sure it's and we checked the dogs later. Make sure
Speaker 2: it's not licee. It's right here. No, it's a tick.
Speaker 1: It's a tick, and my friend, I don't even think
Speaker 1: about ticks, like it's not something I think about. Jesus,
Speaker 1: all right, it was so tiny, I don't Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get all right, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: There was an you were right.
Speaker 1: There were like some flashbacks and it felt like you
Speaker 1: were picking up or something left off and oh we
Speaker 1: had a party last time.
Speaker 2: You weren't there. We went out that night. You're right.
Speaker 3: There were references to it, and I don't think it's
Speaker 3: their fault. I think that they had to cut out
Speaker 3: all this footage with this I understand things are and
Speaker 3: it wasn't explained anywhere, which as I don't know how
Speaker 3: they could fix it, Like, I don't think it could
Speaker 3: be fixable. But I'm noticing as somebody who's like in.
Speaker 2: It just freaking out. I don't have anything on it.
Speaker 2: I bugs all over me. Guys.
Speaker 1: It's okay, No, there's not thanks, there's for his is
Speaker 1: not a friends The Real House Ticks, The Real House
Speaker 1: Ticks of New York. Okay, So I think there was
Speaker 1: an al Ian Sraeger was on my podcast and he
Speaker 1: said the word about Studio fifty four and the clubs
Speaker 1: he used to create in the Delano and he said,
Speaker 1: there's an alchemy, and I there was an alchemy with
Speaker 1: this group that was missing. There was ant like the
Speaker 1: combination of elements that I just wasn't feeling and I can't.
Speaker 1: It's not describe.
Speaker 2: He saw the show last night.
Speaker 1: No, he's talking about when something hits right with Studio
Speaker 1: fifty four, the way it felt, and he's saying, you
Speaker 1: need the one thing you need in a restaurants club.
Speaker 1: That's heart is an alchemy, it's a combination. Well, that's
Speaker 1: what we had. And it was an accident because I
Speaker 1: was an accident. No, because because Ramona didn't want the
Speaker 1: people from Brooklyn I take them away at once.
Speaker 2: We didn't because she was willing to be the bad guy.
Speaker 2: It just we didn't.
Speaker 3: She still is, she said, they said last night on
Speaker 3: the show that she's rude to everybody. She's still route
Speaker 3: to everybody who was willing to be to everybody willing
Speaker 3: to be And we were everybody's willing to play that
Speaker 3: part except for me. We went no, we weren't playing
Speaker 3: a part. We were just being who we don't know.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, when you put together a thing,
Speaker 3: you have an antagonist.
Speaker 2: You have this when you yeah, well that's not us.
Speaker 2: That was in the casting. It's just differentsting.
Speaker 3: So did they cast this right or did they write
Speaker 3: like alchemy. We don't know, it's just this is this.
Speaker 1: I do not think I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I pitched a show to Bravo funnily enough, with an
Speaker 1: interesting cast on the day. It was bad timing because
Speaker 1: on the day that I was pitching to Bravo and
Speaker 1: all the other networks, it was the same day that
Speaker 1: I was that I announced I was leaving the Housewives.
Speaker 1: But I had already had to pitch in the deck
Speaker 1: and I whatever. And it was a show called Power
Speaker 1: p O w H e R. And it was a
Speaker 1: bunch about a bunch of powerful women in New York
Speaker 1: City that all you know, n H e R got
Speaker 1: it okay, And it looked it looked like it was
Speaker 1: more like this group.
Speaker 2: You can't like make this group.
Speaker 1: My point, so I agree with you that it should
Speaker 1: have been it's a different show, this is power.
Speaker 2: But they did it. They had a problem after problem.
Speaker 3: You wanted a wife, but everybody else was married on
Speaker 3: Housewes in New York when we started.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's gotten. That's not cute anymore. Are they
Speaker 2: all married? No?
Speaker 1: No, No, right that bothers you know, if you're starting over.
Speaker 1: I always had a stick up. I feel like, I
Speaker 1: know people got divorced and you don't find them.
Speaker 3: And I know it ended up that nobody was married,
Speaker 3: and maybe that knows something about what the show does
Speaker 3: to marriages. By the way, by the time they had
Speaker 3: done this, nobody married.
Speaker 2: No, but you make a point.
Speaker 1: I was an outlier and they didn't want me or
Speaker 1: they wanted they wanted Andy Cohen did not want me.
Speaker 2: Frank Well, we had to sell them hard. No.
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen said no. Jenn O'Connell told me, he said
Speaker 1: he didn't want me. I had a pre existing life
Speaker 1: and they didn't want someone not married per se. But
Speaker 1: they had had Joe years ago. But anyway, No, they
Speaker 1: didn't want me because of my pre existing life, but
Speaker 1: they wanted a fifth wife.
Speaker 2: They really they realized it was the best thing that
Speaker 2: they ever did.
Speaker 1: But if you're scrapping a show, you go back for housewives,
Speaker 1: it's called I think it bothered me and I also
Speaker 1: bothered me that every time they cast new housewives they
Speaker 1: weren't married.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why do you keep casting people who
Speaker 3: aren't married? If they get divorced, it's one thing. They
Speaker 3: stay on the show. They get divorced, it's still life.
Speaker 3: But if you're going to bring in new people, bring
Speaker 3: in married people at.
Speaker 2: Least it's also an archaic name.
Speaker 3: The best part of New York with the men, I
Speaker 3: mean really or the men, the relationships, the divorces, Simon,
Speaker 3: the Mario.
Speaker 2: Do you know what.
Speaker 3: I think the reason why season four to thirteen failed
Speaker 3: because it was the pandemic there was, so they had
Speaker 3: problems filming with other people and all that stuff. They
Speaker 3: were no men because nobody was married. Nobody had a boyfriend,
Speaker 3: or if they did, they wouldn't put them on TV.
Speaker 3: So for whatever reason, nobody would have a man. I
Speaker 3: think the best part was the Mario, the Simon and
Speaker 3: the Bobby and even but everybody in Beverly.
Speaker 1: Hill, respectfully, everybody was younger and lighter and Ramon. It
Speaker 1: was like free and flirty. It's you good to see
Speaker 1: everybody shitting their bed and taking with days and it's
Speaker 1: like the gold.
Speaker 3: That's when you get a girl who's married with kids,
Speaker 3: you get the whole thing, Like the Aaron who's on
Speaker 3: the new show. She's got a husband and kids and
Speaker 3: someone I got it. But someone who's single and dating
Speaker 3: is good too, because she brings stuff.
Speaker 1: But okay, but guess what we could talk about the
Speaker 1: bugs crawling on my neck. But also I thought it
Speaker 1: was too much family.
Speaker 2: No, I'm okay.
Speaker 1: I thought it was too much. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of family early, Like I didn't need to see the
Speaker 1: whole You have to set the you have to set
Speaker 1: them up a little. But I didn't need all. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of like I didn't this enough.
Speaker 2: Isn't that two opinions? I didn't see enough.
Speaker 3: I wanted to see more set up and you want
Speaker 3: and you said I had enough in two seconds.
Speaker 1: I just know I could see who the people were
Speaker 1: in a real quick scene. But I didn't need to
Speaker 1: be at a Shabbat dinner. So soon, let's do just
Speaker 1: the tip and later we'll fuck. Like I don't need
Speaker 1: to see the whole family on the first Like, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I could see who everybody is. Let's let's let's weave
Speaker 1: it in. I just that's not the point. Who cares,
Speaker 1: That's not the most important part to me? I thought
Speaker 1: I didn't feel bad for the little boy.
Speaker 2: I mean that, Okay, you're you're really in the weak.
Speaker 2: You care about the little boy who had his hands
Speaker 2: down his fans.
Speaker 1: I did well take that up with human resources, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2: You knew what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: It felt yeah, yeah, it felt so. Also there's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so it felt to me like Jenna Lyons. First of all,
Speaker 1: she's an accomplished woman. I had sort of heard of her.
Speaker 1: I never really I didn't really hear of her until
Speaker 1: the person who I know said to me, do you
Speaker 1: want to talk to her?
Speaker 2: She's gonna be in the show.
Speaker 1: I've heard of j Crewe obviously, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: it was a really big job.
Speaker 2: But the show is setting it up like Lady.
Speaker 1: Gaga has joined the cast of Alex Simon Ramona, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, okay, so everybody's like she's on
Speaker 1: this like weird different pedestal, and I feel that that's
Speaker 1: interesting not her fault, but okay, I.
Speaker 3: Definitely put her on every single talk show, like she
Speaker 3: was on Today's show alone.
Speaker 2: I think she was on tonight. I mean she was
Speaker 2: on tonight show.
Speaker 3: Alone, like she They really have been using it but
Speaker 3: I have to tell you, I was very impressed with
Speaker 3: her last night.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to expect. I did know who
Speaker 2: she is.
Speaker 3: She's because I was always in the fashion Oh you
Speaker 3: are right right, and so she was iconic, like she
Speaker 3: turned that company around, was credited with turning Jake Creue
Speaker 3: around to be the coolest, hottest.
Speaker 2: She's amazing business right now. You were a major.
Speaker 1: You were that excited by I'm excited. No, you were
Speaker 1: that excited about us having a countess.
Speaker 2: Real life count You were so excited. I thought a
Speaker 2: billionaire was rolling in.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, she reminded you to call missus,
Speaker 1: Dilli said, But I didn't even know what countess meant.
Speaker 1: You were so excited. I was like forty years old.
Speaker 2: I knew not no, I know, but I was countess
Speaker 2: adjacent succeed.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I really liked Jenna last night, and I like that
Speaker 3: she's the mama bear of the group. She's like sitting back, going, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to be like the mama bear here.
Speaker 1: I think Carol Radsway would have been good on that
Speaker 1: cast too. She fits in the group. It's very little
Speaker 1: tick I think on that door. No it's not it's
Speaker 1: another type of bug freak. Stop it now we're in
Speaker 1: the Hampton's. It's not a tick.
Speaker 2: Okay, TikTok okay.
Speaker 1: I thought that she seemed like she's a little horrified,
Speaker 1: like she's a little embarrassed to be there, and she's
Speaker 1: been there for business. She thinks it's a good idea,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't seem like she hangs with this fabulous
Speaker 1: circle of people.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 3: I agree, But I think that she's happy she did it.
Speaker 3: She's getting so much. We saw her she was doing
Speaker 3: what the oscars.
Speaker 2: She was on e comment.
Speaker 1: So she's capitalizing on it and she will handle herself well. Okay,
Speaker 1: I agree, good friend, and I liked the role that
Speaker 1: she's taking on.
Speaker 2: She seemed interesting.
Speaker 1: I think so when we all started, we didn't have
Speaker 1: Ramona had a liquidation business and her husband was selling
Speaker 1: process and you Bobby had his Aaron Fabric's business, but
Speaker 1: we all didn't have a business. It felt a little
Speaker 1: like they cast this show based on what in real
Speaker 1: House was in New York. Became like everybody now, like Derinda,
Speaker 1: she has a business because because she'd sells stuff and
Speaker 1: she does that's because of the Housewives a cafre. So
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, so they cast this group as a
Speaker 1: new extension and a refresh based on what they became.
Speaker 1: We were all nobody and nothing. We just lived in
Speaker 1: New York and so.
Speaker 2: They didn't get real housewives.
Speaker 3: In other words, they didn't get like what you're saying,
Speaker 3: that doesn't exist anymore, Like you know, it's like a
Speaker 3: real housewife like Niki Hilton, not that she would ever
Speaker 3: do in a million years. She would be the one
Speaker 3: to cast. Why because she has brands. That's not true.
Speaker 3: She does have brands, but she lives the life of
Speaker 3: a social life.
Speaker 2: She really does.
Speaker 1: If they were casting a socialite, I think she'd be
Speaker 1: good to cast on this show with these people because
Speaker 1: it's like it's a little out of touch.
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Alex and Simon was showing their unfinished apartment and raising
Speaker 1: kids and made a couple of dollars. But like and
Speaker 1: you were saying, they would never cast that show today
Speaker 1: because on the housewivesesday, you have to not only you
Speaker 1: don't have to be rich, you just.
Speaker 2: Have to look rich. Well, you borrow four hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars with the clothes, right exactly, but that's the problem.
Speaker 2: So I think we're saying I think that's the problem.
Speaker 2: I think it's focusing more on the frosting and not
Speaker 2: on the cake. Well we don't know yet. Well the first.
Speaker 1: Episode looks like they're focusing more on the frosting and
Speaker 1: not on the cake. Let's get into the show, Okay,
Speaker 1: So now let's talk about Bryn. Brynn is a brand
Speaker 1: manager living in the West Village. She's the young she's young,
Speaker 1: she's cute, she's peppy. To me, she felt a little
Speaker 1: bit like she wanted to get all the lines in,
Speaker 1: like she had to get the funny line.
Speaker 2: I thought she was the instigator.
Speaker 3: They said at the recap on Watch What Happens Live
Speaker 3: that everyone pointed to what's her name, sorry to Erin
Speaker 3: as the troublemak as the as a pot stir. I
Speaker 3: thought from watching it, it's britt interesting.
Speaker 1: I just thought she was trying to hit her beats
Speaker 1: of like say a dick joke, say a funny thing,
Speaker 1: say the thing like the butump bump, but land. The
Speaker 1: line I felt a little forced. The force was a
Speaker 1: lot of what I thought. I thought that she was
Speaker 1: like cute and peppy and like I was, I said
Speaker 1: to pro see, Yeah, she was cute and I have
Speaker 1: a brain as a daughter. And I was like, and
Speaker 1: she seemed nice and she seemed thirty. I liked the
Speaker 1: woman who was a real estate Erran Erin so Erin
Speaker 1: is a realtor interior designer living in Tribeca.
Speaker 2: Yep, I don't know. I liked her.
Speaker 1: I liked that she had like was into her family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she seemed.
Speaker 2: Very grounded exactly. I liked.
Speaker 1: I liked business exactly. I liked her hustler. You she
Speaker 1: seems like a hustler. She had her information down about
Speaker 1: Jenna's apartment. And I liked Jenna, but I didn't get
Speaker 1: a lot from.
Speaker 2: You know what. I didn't like.
Speaker 3: And this is something that would never I don't like
Speaker 3: when things would never happen in real life.
Speaker 2: You know what would never happen in real life.
Speaker 3: While sitting around at Jenna's apartment and you and I
Speaker 3: might have had a little thing, and I say, you
Speaker 3: know what, you and I have to get up and
Speaker 3: go in the other room and clear it. I think
Speaker 3: we did that on the show. I never liked that.
Speaker 2: Well, going in the other room. I can't imagine you ever.
Speaker 3: To be at a party and say, you know what, Joe,
Speaker 3: come on over, I gotta go clear this with you.
Speaker 2: Maybe go buy the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I didn't have as much a problem with that as
Speaker 1: I can't imagine someone going at Nannie with the closet
Speaker 1: going into her closet. I can't imagine someone going into
Speaker 1: my closet and putting on a piece of clothing.
Speaker 2: I find that to be Jenna was horrified, but she
Speaker 2: did it with a smile. I think so.
Speaker 1: And I find it, first of all, it's so next level.
Speaker 1: It's not only going into a closet, but going into
Speaker 1: a closet of a fashion you're saying icon.
Speaker 3: It's so distressing. I didn't know it was the first
Speaker 3: time in the apartment. They said it was their first time.
Speaker 3: I just think, as they've been close friend, sure I
Speaker 3: would go and I went in your closet tonight, but
Speaker 3: I was with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But where's that interview by of Jenna being like
Speaker 1: what the fuck?
Speaker 2: She was just like medic A great question? Where's that?
Speaker 3: I would have been like, because maybe she was, she's
Speaker 3: not there yet, Like maybe she's not there in the interview,
Speaker 3: where's that producer getting or there that's a really fun
Speaker 3: She definitely wanted to go, what the fuck she wanted
Speaker 3: to say it, that's insane missing, So that was really
Speaker 3: the way. And then Jessel is the fashion published, living
Speaker 3: publicist living in Chelsea.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to know her.
Speaker 1: Same same side, the creator, influencer, her marine cut. That's
Speaker 1: like another thing where with you, you're gonna put this
Speaker 1: nice relationship your partners, you're love and you put this
Speaker 1: nice relationship right on the show.
Speaker 2: The Young the God. They be friends in real life,
Speaker 2: like some of them.
Speaker 3: I think that they would be friends organically, like maybe
Speaker 3: they hadn't met, but they would be.
Speaker 2: They all seem like the same person.
Speaker 1: They're all like fashionistas in New York, which I don't
Speaker 1: know that many of those people don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know how fashionist. She's a real term. UBA's
Speaker 3: a model. Well she's a fish, you know she is,
Speaker 3: I guess. So it's very it's a lot of crossover.
Speaker 3: Let's get into the restaurant now. I really want to
Speaker 3: talk about. There was a thing about, Oh my God,
Speaker 3: did that bother you? The beeping all night bothered me.
Speaker 1: Multiple beliefs is a problem. It's very shoddy. Some he's
Speaker 1: like not, why don't they just say it?
Speaker 3: Because some people defend it and said it's a good restaurant.
Speaker 3: Why are they protecting a restaurant? They don't protect anything.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense that they never protect anybody
Speaker 3: of the restaurant.
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, I said to me, was catch right?
Speaker 2: I said catch too? Because you still yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought it was catch And then it tracks because
Speaker 1: it's like disco dining and hip and whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, Ali took me there.
Speaker 1: I went in Aspen to catch a couple in February
Speaker 1: with Brint, so I had their do. Bro, how in
Speaker 1: secure do you have to be by a restaurant.
Speaker 3: If I'm meeting a new cast of a show, which
Speaker 3: is what they were doing. They were trying to get
Speaker 3: together to get to know each other. Why would you
Speaker 3: ever care where you're eating? I think that was for
Speaker 3: the show or do you think that was real? Do
Speaker 3: you think they did it in anticipation?
Speaker 1: First of all, I've historically I brought the show to Catch,
Speaker 1: I think for the first time because I had I
Speaker 1: know the owners, so we shot there once once the
Speaker 1: house was a little shoddiness going at the production because
Speaker 1: once the producers get a restaurant that they can clean.
Speaker 2: That's where they're gonna call.
Speaker 1: They have ten restaurants in their pocket, you know, unless
Speaker 1: you're like me and Derinda giving them seventy five restaurants
Speaker 1: with our friends names and forcing things that don't matter
Speaker 1: go to my friend's restaurants. Stupid things don't matter in
Speaker 1: the first season. Then later you don't care if you
Speaker 1: go to fucking hip Right, So catch was what a
Speaker 1: producer said, just why don't you do it?
Speaker 2: A catch?
Speaker 3: And the girl, the realtor, I didn't film there because
Speaker 3: you never saw anything.
Speaker 2: Something happened and then they took it off.
Speaker 3: Maybe catch, she said, no, maybe Lizzie was there and
Speaker 3: they had to cut direct, right.
Speaker 2: Jillie, I know you want to do all these conspiracy things.
Speaker 2: Not a conspiracy. I'm just saying, that's probably.
Speaker 1: Why this is the show that we have. And on
Speaker 1: the show that we have, we had a bleeped out.
Speaker 2: Catch and a scene that we never saw.
Speaker 1: And a scene that we never saw. And I do
Speaker 1: agree with you, why was it taken out? And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna find but and you're gonna find out, Detective Jill.
Speaker 1: But what I want to know is and I'm saying
Speaker 1: about BTS. Producers were probably like, this is a restaurant.
Speaker 1: We can can clear you know, we can clear it.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: There's a reason now that it's been bleeped out because
Speaker 1: there's something that's been said that you can't say something bad. Oh,
Speaker 1: because restaurants that you've signed clearances with, you can never
Speaker 1: say something bad about it.
Speaker 2: So saying I wouldn't be caught dead.
Speaker 3: In a place and that's probably they filmed there, and
Speaker 3: I am totally guessing that.
Speaker 1: And they made a big mistake because now the only
Speaker 1: thing on the Internet that people are talking about is
Speaker 1: what the restaurant is. But it's great for so I'm
Speaker 1: here that Catch restaurant, restaurant, ate sushi, great steak, great dining,
Speaker 1: just go dining. And to say I wouldn't be caught
Speaker 1: that crystallizes the whole episode. To say I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: caught dead at Catch, that's the problem with the cat
Speaker 1: That's what they are. It's glossed over frosting. Who gives
Speaker 1: a fuck, talk about what's going on. Talk about the meat,
Speaker 1: not the not the fucking restaurant. Let's get into the
Speaker 1: meat of the matter. So that's my problem we're all so,
Speaker 1: I'll go to Catch right now.
Speaker 3: But it takes a minute to get into it. You
Speaker 3: can't get into it until you have That's why I said.
Speaker 3: I think it was episode three or four.
Speaker 1: And you know what, semi retraction because she's being honest.
Speaker 1: She really, in her real life wouldn't be caught dead
Speaker 1: at Catch. But my so that's a character.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't be called debticatch. That's who she is. I don't
Speaker 1: even who said it, so don't be mad at me.
Speaker 1: It could be the girl I supported on Instagram. I
Speaker 1: love you, You're beautiful, don't change.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 3: I just was like, right, well, this is what you know.
Speaker 3: Don't hate the play, I hate the game. They all
Speaker 3: signed up for reality show to be talked about, right
Speaker 3: and I and I actually and I've said to them, listen,
Speaker 3: don't take anything personally, and just make sure they spell
Speaker 3: your name right.
Speaker 2: That's it, got it. It's a big like but even
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 1: Too cool for schools like Brooklyn, like we're so Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: We're so cool with sour hipster.
Speaker 2: Like it's just very cool and very forced cool.
Speaker 3: That's when they said they were going to recast the
Speaker 3: show and bring on new people, new places.
Speaker 2: They went back to Brooklyn and the city.
Speaker 3: Like I thought they were going to pick up someone
Speaker 3: in Staten Island, maybe Queen's, maybe the Bronx.
Speaker 2: I mean I did. I thought that they were really
Speaker 2: going to diversify this thing.
Speaker 1: Instead they went back and that would have been a
Speaker 1: show called the Burrows, which is a great idea, but
Speaker 1: that's too much, too far hour Staten Island be a
Speaker 1: shit show. I hear what you're saying, But I like
Speaker 1: that as an idea. I like that as an idea.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to go, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We'll see how this does.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, and I got the sense when Jenna came over
Speaker 1: to I think it's I'm getting confused, sorry everybody, because
Speaker 1: I just watched for the some Jessel Jenna came to
Speaker 1: Jessel's house. It felt like a housewive seen that is,
Speaker 1: like they don't know each other. And to your point,
Speaker 1: like I knew you going in. You really knew Ramona you.
Speaker 1: That's another that's a chemistry. That's the alchemy. That's the alchemy.
Speaker 3: There's a little connection. You always said that I was
Speaker 3: the connector on New York, right, I knew everyone. There's
Speaker 3: nobody here on this cast that knows them all, so
Speaker 3: they're all like kind of you know, but they will
Speaker 3: by the time we get to the middle of the end.
Speaker 2: No, but you knew everyone and they knew each other.
Speaker 2: There was a.
Speaker 3: Reputation thing, like I just we watched our first episode.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're going to do no, no, But it
Speaker 3: was real. Ramona did not invite me to this cooking
Speaker 3: party in the Hamptons even though I had, just because.
Speaker 2: She thought she ran with a fabulous group of people
Speaker 2: in the Hampton and I wasn't part of it. And
Speaker 2: that was so real.
Speaker 3: And I remember me and Brad being in the house
Speaker 3: and we ran over to American Hotel to meet Luanne
Speaker 3: to tell what had happened. And Luayne was like, I
Speaker 3: went over there and you weren't there, so I left
Speaker 3: right away.
Speaker 2: You know. No, that was all real life, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't for the show.
Speaker 1: You really wanted to be and you felt left out, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I would never want to be there.
Speaker 2: It was all real. Yes, it was totally It was
Speaker 2: totally real. It was totally real. Going to Alex and
Speaker 2: Simon's house.
Speaker 1: If I thought about what people would have thought, would
Speaker 1: i'd talk about the state of.
Speaker 3: Their So what I don't know is the connections between
Speaker 3: these girls. How long they go? That's what I'm missing.
Speaker 3: Do they know some of them? I feel like know
Speaker 3: each other a little bit.
Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't like a long time, it doesn't, but
Speaker 2: who knows who? Like?
Speaker 3: Where is any history so that we can see the relationships?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So there's a photo on Instagram that so two of
Speaker 1: them peeled off went to Costa Chipriani because that's hip
Speaker 1: and catches not And then they.
Speaker 3: Got to side note did you read about in the
Speaker 3: I don't know where that Costa Chipriani has now thrown
Speaker 3: out all the housewives who belonged to Costa Chipriani because
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift stopped her membership because she was there and
Speaker 3: someone not a housewife, but somebody took her photo and
Speaker 3: she felt violated and she said, it's become like a
Speaker 3: low class place and there's you know, there's like housewives
Speaker 3: here is if it's a bad thing, she said housewise,
Speaker 3: No she didn't, but that was kind of like what
Speaker 3: they interpreted her leaving, and they said, well, we have
Speaker 3: to get rid of housewives element so that we can
Speaker 3: get Taylor Swift and her people back because all the
Speaker 3: A listers have left so first and they're blaming it
Speaker 3: on house before this air. First of all, that was
Speaker 3: before this air when they see this really allow the Housewives.
Speaker 1: But first of all, they started that except Kyle is
Speaker 1: now member, and I'm a member of the Houses because
Speaker 1: I left the show. But I didn't get in until
Speaker 1: I left the show. But Kasta Chipriani where I've.
Speaker 2: Never been and I won't have been.
Speaker 1: And I, like, I don't know what, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that sentence alone, like would make me I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a member of anything.
Speaker 2: I don't need anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that sentence alone, that they won't let
Speaker 1: them in. It makes me want to not be ever
Speaker 1: on the Housewives, Like just that sentence makes well.
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing. But this is the funny thing.
Speaker 3: That story came out before the show aired where they talk.
Speaker 2: About ka So they fucked him again. They fucked him again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's about I'm saying. Yeah, they didn't fuck them, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: No, it's like they had and when they filmed this,
Speaker 3: they had no idea that they were thrown out of
Speaker 3: the club and By the way, I don't know if
Speaker 3: they were thrown out of the club. I don't even
Speaker 3: know if they're members of the club. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: if you look it up Costa Chippriani housewise, you're going
Speaker 3: to see that. They said they're throwing out all the housewives.
Speaker 1: Right like Costa Chipriani is not interested in being promoted
Speaker 1: on the Real House.
Speaker 3: They didn't even know about that though. That's the point.
Speaker 3: They think Taylor Swift left because the elements is wrong.
Speaker 1: It's just funny that they're saying. So they want to
Speaker 1: be with the whole what's the whole thing? I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be an Famber club right that they would
Speaker 1: take that would have me as a member. Well, that
Speaker 1: that fits right here, because they don't want to be
Speaker 1: at the place that would take them. Catch is the
Speaker 1: place that would take them and is fun and is great.
Speaker 1: That's right, and they think they're too cool for that.
Speaker 1: And now they fucked themselves twice because Catch don't want them,
Speaker 1: and neither is Costa Chipriani.
Speaker 2: I don't think chiprion I don't think they're going to
Speaker 2: be there anytime soon. But you never. But I'm saying
Speaker 2: now you alienated your whole base. You got nobody. They
Speaker 2: didn't do it.
Speaker 3: So, by the way, there's so many other great clubs
Speaker 3: in New York besides Costa Chipriani that I would think
Speaker 3: is farm.
Speaker 2: I know nothing about it. I'm sure it's lovely.
Speaker 1: Who and then to oh, by the way, and then
Speaker 1: also to say to say the olive.
Speaker 2: Garden and chicer Ooh, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: By the way, I like the olive Garden. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that would they brought in the olive garden shots fired.
Speaker 1: But just spell it right, Go ahead, just spell it right.
Speaker 2: Okay. So what about the shoe closet, did you care?
Speaker 3: I would like to have seen more of it. I
Speaker 3: feel like they glossed over the closet too fast. It
Speaker 3: looked vastive, it looked massive. I mean, especially for New York.
Speaker 3: It's nice that there's a shoe closet. It's a cool things,
Speaker 3: it's fantastic. It's just anything that shows money and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. I think, if not just myself, I think
Speaker 3: fans love to.
Speaker 2: Be luxury porn. Yes, okay, it's luxury porn. Okay.
Speaker 1: And then I don't care about any of the game
Speaker 1: and the sex. I just feel like I don't care
Speaker 1: about because it's like, let's play game.
Speaker 3: I needed to do something to get to know you
Speaker 3: and each other, right, So that was okay.
Speaker 1: I know it's fine, it's filler, but I don't. I like,
Speaker 1: if you care, you can talk about it.
Speaker 2: How else you get to know them?
Speaker 3: And that's what I went back to our episode season
Speaker 3: one to see how did the producers put together our show?
Speaker 3: And it was kind of slow. Like the first episodes,
Speaker 3: we each individual from our first show, I want to
Speaker 3: talk about it by ourselves, and then we started to
Speaker 3: get together, but we really had alone time to get
Speaker 3: to know you a little bit.
Speaker 2: Because this is the thing.
Speaker 3: When we went on New York Housewives, Other than you,
Speaker 3: we will nobody, right. People knew you may be a
Speaker 3: little from being on the press, but nobody. These girls
Speaker 3: have had a year in the press because the show's success.
Speaker 3: They were announced, they were at Bravo Khan, and they've
Speaker 3: been in the press.
Speaker 2: Gen Alliance.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows she's been getting gigs all year before the
Speaker 3: show even aired. We didn't have that, so I guess
Speaker 3: they feel like the audience knows them already.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, I don't. It is different.
Speaker 1: You can't compare then to now, which is you can't
Speaker 1: compare them to social media. You can't get what the
Speaker 1: cheesy the cheese, it's not like at the cheese.
Speaker 2: The Mousewives. Gary said they should call it Gary. I'm
Speaker 2: not here. The Real Mousewives, The Real Mousewives. Paul loves Gary.
Speaker 1: Look at Paul so happy here the Real mousewive that's good.
Speaker 2: How did someone else to give you a compliments? A
Speaker 2: big Garrett that the.
Speaker 1: Comedy compliment, A comedy compliment, tough, that's literally a compliment.
Speaker 1: The Real Mousewives. That's a good one. Yeah it was cheesy,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's a lot. It's it's a lot, it's
Speaker 1: a lot. It was just a lot on the cheese
Speaker 1: like it's not and it looked just.
Speaker 3: Think they didn't have any I don't know. I think
Speaker 3: something I told you. I think I know you say
Speaker 3: it's a conspiracy. Something was missing. I think they had
Speaker 3: a problem, but I think it's gonna get fixed because
Speaker 3: she left after two weeks of filming and then they're
Speaker 3: gonna get all their footage back. I think they had
Speaker 3: to cut around a lot of things because she was there. Okay,
Speaker 3: I just I got and I'm gonna find out and
Speaker 3: verify it was forty acres of cheese. It was just
Speaker 3: a lot of cheese on the table. Gave me cheese. Ang,
Speaker 3: I like cheese too, but that's like hot, like party cheese,
Speaker 3: like you know, it just was like, ou, it's just
Speaker 3: not a good entertaining thing because it just like gets
Speaker 3: sweaty and like a little bit of cheese fine, but
Speaker 3: like an acre of coffee table cheese, it's just like
Speaker 3: starts glistening. And again they talked about it's something that
Speaker 3: she did that we never saw, and you know, that
Speaker 3: was like to talk about something you didn't see came.
Speaker 3: We didn't see her give the cheese, so we weren't offended.
Speaker 3: Girl was offended.
Speaker 2: I forgot to see. I don't know what hat. I
Speaker 2: saw the show and I wrote, what what happened? I'm
Speaker 2: telling you what something happened. We missed it. You know
Speaker 2: why they edited it out? But what are you?
Speaker 1: My understanding was someone's mad what someone else said they
Speaker 1: really ate cheese and didn't it.
Speaker 3: Sounds like no, somebody bought a cheese platter to someone's
Speaker 3: house and it wasn't good enough. I thought it was okay,
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna have.
Speaker 2: To fight it. We need help.
Speaker 1: It was inferior cheese platter. It was something that someone
Speaker 1: who said they don't eat cheese.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Can somebody please straighten this out? Wait?
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something that happened on the Housewives
Speaker 1: with a cheese platter with Drindo, with that medium, there
Speaker 1: was something about bringing over a short couery board and
Speaker 1: it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2: I'm having like total but it's real.
Speaker 1: It has something to do with around the time of
Speaker 1: the medium and Carol's apartment and cheese. I was shoveling
Speaker 1: the cheese in a turtle nfe. I'm hot thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I was like main lining keys, but there's something about cheese.
Speaker 2: But I don't it sounds that's where they get. But
Speaker 2: any idea what the fight was about? I thought it
Speaker 2: was no, not really And do you know it wasn't
Speaker 2: there a thing with a one girl And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's a force fight.
Speaker 1: See, that's what you started for last night was a
Speaker 1: forced show so that it didn't have to be a
Speaker 1: forced show. The girl Aaron had a tag showing through two.
Speaker 1: One of someone that works for me told me that
Speaker 1: you could see the tag that like, so you're borrowing clothes, like,
Speaker 1: where's the real where are the real people?
Speaker 2: Let's see the real people here? They'll come. Okay, they're coming, Okay, great, amazing.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I do I have high? Are you
Speaker 1: a watcher of Housewives over I'm not. I would never
Speaker 1: have watched.
Speaker 2: Some of them, might do.
Speaker 3: I'd like Beverly Hills, but I haven't watched Atlanta. I
Speaker 3: don't watch OCI.
Speaker 1: What would you have definitely watched this because I would
Speaker 1: not have not in no shade, I just watch other shows.
Speaker 2: I don't know interesting. I will always say I would
Speaker 2: have no.
Speaker 1: I want to say, go for yours to the girls, congratulations,
Speaker 1: go with God. We're both generally positive about it. We're
Speaker 1: at a different age.
Speaker 2: We're not. I don't watch the.
Speaker 3: House I don't I care felt someone else's scess has
Speaker 3: anything to do with mine.
Speaker 2: Your success or failure will never be shaken me, right, no, ever,
Speaker 2: and vice versa.
Speaker 3: So I want them to do well, and also I
Speaker 3: want the franchise to live forever, because then we live forever. Seriously,
Speaker 3: Housewives of New York goes on forever, so do we.
Speaker 3: But you like it or not, it's true.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that you think about it. I don't
Speaker 2: think I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think about it every day. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: but that's the reality. So the better their success is
Speaker 3: my success. Do you care about watching the show?
Speaker 2: Do you care? You invested? Be honest yet, No, watch
Speaker 2: next time if.
Speaker 3: I make I don't know if i'll watch it, like
Speaker 3: waiting for Sunday night to come. I don't think I'm
Speaker 3: invested yet, but I don't know how you can be
Speaker 3: invested in anything yet.
Speaker 1: I think I watched our first episode back. I kind
Speaker 1: of was interested. They're interested with you, you and I
Speaker 1: know I felt a fat camp on a private camp.
Speaker 1: It was a detox center for help, I understand. But
Speaker 1: that's what everybody thinks. Alie looks beautiful. She's here, she's
Speaker 1: thirty years old, she's barely survived that, but she's here
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and you guys are very close.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just that was a compelling episode. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I went to Alex's because it.
Speaker 3: Was real, because that was happening in my real life gritty,
Speaker 3: because real life is flawed and great.
Speaker 1: I just want to say that real life and real people,
Speaker 1: no matter how much money they have, is gritty and flawed.
Speaker 1: I've been into very rich, very successful people's homes, looked
Speaker 1: in their protoce drawer and it's disgusting.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look perfect, and I've had anxiety about it.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: So real life is messy and no matter what you make,
Speaker 1: no matter how much money you make, it's messy. And
Speaker 1: they have gone through messy. Erica James got messy. It
Speaker 1: got messy, and it's just different. She came in as
Speaker 1: like a performer that was doing all these videos to beginnings.
Speaker 1: So she walked in there like I'm a performer and
Speaker 1: that's every but there's not six of those.
Speaker 3: But after you watch it long enough, it started to
Speaker 3: become real. That was That's why if you watch long time, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that was her, it'll break down. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We got to give these this whole show a chance,
Speaker 3: because oh, you mean no, we but we got it'll start.
Speaker 2: To coming in.
Speaker 1: Lisa was flawed like everybody Lisa, Vanda Pump and people,
Speaker 1: and they were even though they were dressed in crazy outfits.
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: I only have ever seen one episode for the show.
Speaker 1: They were still a mess in rich labels. It's not
Speaker 1: I'm not only talking about the label I talked about
Speaker 1: they was still it was still a mess and the
Speaker 1: but it was a great to your point, it was
Speaker 1: a great show. On the first episode ever, I was invested,
Speaker 1: I was like, who the fuck are these looming?
Speaker 2: I know, I love the woman who's no longer on
Speaker 2: the show, the one who's the priest, the granddaughter. I
Speaker 2: mean that was the best.
Speaker 3: What about the one in you right who has no
Speaker 3: sense of I mean no sense of reality.
Speaker 1: I've seen a reality show of the housewives. First episode.
Speaker 3: Is with these girls? Are they too self aware that
Speaker 3: they can't get messy? And well, we don't know yet.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets messy once they're in this. I don't mean,
Speaker 1: can they get messy? And ripping someone's hair out and
Speaker 1: fighting is not messy? I mean, who are they? I
Speaker 1: had an understanding of who you were. The first episode
Speaker 1: of the house was you had an understanding of who
Speaker 1: I was? The first episode of the house was Okay,
Speaker 1: it's an essence and I have no understanding of who
Speaker 1: they are. And they have been focusing on the trappings
Speaker 1: and not what really matters. They've been focusing on the
Speaker 1: social media, the borrowed outfits, the hair, the makeup, the fashion,
Speaker 1: the restaurants and not.
Speaker 2: It can't survive. They will has no foundation. Well that's
Speaker 2: why I say it's episode three or four.
Speaker 3: You said, you said it, You said you didn't want
Speaker 3: to hear all that stuff, and I said, you have
Speaker 3: to have the foundation before you can get to three
Speaker 3: or four.
Speaker 2: And you said you wanted to only see a little
Speaker 2: bit of it because of the missing footage. Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: meet you there. Uber. She's fabulous. Oh she was. She's
Speaker 2: pretty and sweet and maybe and I met her in person.
Speaker 2: I had lunch with her. I took her and er
Speaker 2: and out for lunch with Ali obviously, and I did
Speaker 2: six months ago. Whatever, it doesn't matter, but uba was.
Speaker 3: She seemed so elegant and so beautiful that I almost think, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if she belongs on a show like this.
Speaker 2: She's so sweet.
Speaker 1: And I felt that way about Kristen. I thought Kristin
Speaker 1: was a beautiful person. I just didn't think she was
Speaker 1: a house There.
Speaker 2: Are people that I like, but they just put her
Speaker 2: on in St. Barts. See how she did. And I
Speaker 2: heard she did well because you and you have to
Speaker 2: like rise to that occasion.
Speaker 1: I just mean, overall, there are people that I have
Speaker 1: thought are amazing, people that aren't necessarily good housewise, and
Speaker 1: then you get into an argument because you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: you look beautiful. I love the stir in, the two
Speaker 1: mismatch shoes on purpose. Get the fuck out of the way.
Speaker 1: We gotta get dirty, and the mud hit now. So
Speaker 1: it's just different.