1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a notorious misogynist, woman hater, 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: alleged sex trafficker and online influencer with a huge social 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: media following. Don't ask me why people follow this guy. 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate and his creepy brother detained in Romania and 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: handed a UK arrest warrant. Looks like the Brits did 6 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: what the US was afraid to do. I mean, is 7 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: he Grace? This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 8 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories and on serious xem 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: one eleven. 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: That's right. 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: The online influencer Andrew Tate, with literally millions of followers 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Go figure, was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: by the British government. Tate thirty seven and creepy brother 14 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression. 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: That's what they call it in the UK, in a 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: case dating all the way back to two thousand and fifteen. 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: Now a Romanian court where the two were hiding out 18 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court. 20 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: They darn well better if they want to keep relations 21 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: up with the UK. Four women reported Tate. Four women, 22 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: not one, not two, not three, but four report Tate 23 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason, 24 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: the crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had 25 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: to turn to crowd funding to cover their legal costs. 26 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: The four female victims handed over their evidence about the 27 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: horrific acts of violence. They say they endured and just waited, 28 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: but time passes and they were told the UK authorities 29 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget Titus charged in 30 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: a separate case with rape, human trafficking and forming a 31 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: criminal gang to sexually exploit women. Why does this guy 32 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: have millions of men followers? 33 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: Freaks? 34 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: How did the whole thing begin? Possibly the most misogynistic 35 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: person I have ever encountered discussing tactics on how to 36 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: lure sex trafficking victims. These texts, messages and more have 37 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: now been leaked and it's all spewing from the the 38 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: empire built by Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker according to 39 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: Elie Law Enforcement. 40 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to this. 41 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which 42 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: has been called misogynistic but what most people don't know 43 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: is that he also runs this secret of all male society, 44 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: the warrem which he says is a kind of self 45 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: help society that helps you become better man. It costs 46 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered is 47 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: that actually within the Warreum, they're actually teaching men methods 48 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: for grooming women into online sex work. And we've identified 49 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: from the leaked messages you referred to at least forty 50 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: five potential victims of this grooming method. 51 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tate has been indicted and 52 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a 53 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 4: criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three 54 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking, 55 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 4: including Andrew's brother, Tristan Hopes. Person for the Tate brothers, 56 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 4: confirm their indictment to NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations. 57 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: The two were. 58 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: Amended into custody back in December before being released under 59 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 4: house arrest in March. 60 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them. 61 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: But I tell you this much, we can stop sex trafficking. 62 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: And what's so amazing is he's not trafficking women in secret. 63 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: They're not in the. 64 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: Back of massage parlors and nail salons with their papers 65 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: stolen from them, unless they have sex with strangers. 66 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: And then they're pimp making the money. 67 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: This is not some thirteen or fourteen year old girl 68 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: that has been stolen and she's being hidden in some 69 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: secret apartment somewhere in La far far away from home, 70 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: being beaten and drug This is right in our face. 71 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: This is happening right online. 72 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: I really don't even know where to start taking Listen. 73 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: Our friends at. 74 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 5: BBC prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial influencer 75 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 5: Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The charges 76 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 5: include rape, human trafficking, and forming an organized crime group, 77 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 5: as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence 78 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 5: against one of the alleged victims. The indictment taught says 79 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 5: that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the four 80 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 5: defendants formed an organized criminal group to commit human trafficking 81 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 5: in the United States and Britain. 82 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 6: We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently 83 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 6: allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by 84 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 6: the two Taate brothers. 85 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what 86 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: this is. 87 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: This is not about love and marriage. 88 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: You were hearing from our friends at BBC as well 89 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: as NBC. 90 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: This is not about love and marriage at all. 91 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: Guys, before I go to senior investigative reporter for dealmail 92 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: dot Com, Caitlin Becker, joining us are waning to hear 93 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: arakat fifteen from the Dangerous Rise of Andrew ta BBC. 94 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: Listen. 95 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 7: In the leaked messages that we got access to, were 96 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 7: able to see that up to forty five women were 97 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 7: recruited into working on webcam, potentially groomed using this method 98 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 7: without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming 99 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 7: specific women, and in the documentary we spoke to two 100 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 7: of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one 101 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 7: on the West coast of the US, who both alleged 102 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 7: that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew 103 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 7: Tates warrem. 104 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: That's not all I'll take a loss, Ora cut Tien, 105 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: Lucia Williamson BBC. 106 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 6: The prosecution also says that women were forced by the 107 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 6: defendants to make pornographic content online and alleges that some 108 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 6: women did not control the money they made and were 109 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 6: fined for crying on camera or for not working hard enough. 110 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 6: As spokeswoman for the Tate Brothers said that they vehemently 111 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 6: denied the serious lations against them. 112 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of 113 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: what we know right now. Straight out to senior investigative 114 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: reporter for the Dailymail dot Com, Caitlin Becker, Caitlyn, thank 115 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Forty five known alleged victims. 116 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: There are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. 117 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Do you remember the initial search for Natalie Holloway. We 118 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: were us, not only US, but many other journalists in 119 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, 120 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: including the Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been removed from 121 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: the island for sex trafficking. That is a part of 122 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: sex trafficking. You remove the victim from their home, from 123 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: their money, from their cell phone, from their driver's license, 124 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: their ID, and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go, 125 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: and they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away. 126 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: From their home. 127 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: That this conspiracy to sex traffic is in many countries. 128 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: It's hard for some people to believe, but this is 129 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: the way sex trafficking works. 130 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: Who is Andrew Tate, Caitlin Well, Nancy. 131 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 8: It's the way sex trafficking work. But it's also the 132 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 8: way the Internet works. And Andrew Tate's claim to fame 133 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 8: is on the Internet. I mean he had a short 134 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 8: lived stint on British Big Brother, but really he became 135 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 8: known in online circles for being kind of the king 136 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 8: of misogyny and teaching men how to be men, which 137 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 8: involved subjugating and harassing women. He had very popular online courses. 138 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 8: He had one that called something Hustlers, and that was 139 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 8: more of his public one, and then this war Room 140 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 8: that you've been hearing about was his private one. But 141 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 8: he also had very popular social media account where he 142 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 8: propagated this type of bullying and misogyny and as you heard, 143 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 8: essentially allegedly grooming, and he garnered thousands and thousands and 144 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 8: thousands of followers. And for war Room particularly, you had 145 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 8: to pay the equivalent of what is about eight thousand 146 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 8: dollars to join, So he's then profiting off of this 147 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 8: and thowing like minded men to listen to the types 148 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 8: of sort of vile information that he's viewing. So the 149 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 8: conspiracy goes far and wide. Do not only have Andrew 150 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 8: and Tristan Kate, the brothers who were at ahead of this, 151 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 8: that's sort of ahead of the stake, but you also 152 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 8: have all of those war room members. You can imagine 153 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 8: how far this can go. I mean, we have alleged victims. 154 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 8: There are seven in the indictment, and they are from 155 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 8: all over the world, several in Europe, at least one 156 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 8: in the United States. All of their identities are being protected. 157 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 8: We are also hearing potentially forty five others from these 158 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 8: lead telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those 159 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 8: messages are only for one year, so you have to 160 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 8: imagine in one year, if there's forty five potential victims. 161 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 8: I can't even fathom how many that could. 162 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: Be crime stories with Nancy Grace. Believe it or not, 163 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: this perv Andrew Tate has nearly nine million followers on 164 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: the social media platform x also known as Twitter. He 165 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence against him and that 166 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: there is a conspiracy to quote silence him. Okay, when 167 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: you start talking about conspiracies, you'll lose me. Remember everybody 168 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: said the LAPD had a conspiracy against OJ Simpsom to 169 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: frame him for double murder. Bs like you think one 170 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: of those cops would take a million dollars for a 171 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: tell all book about the so called conspiracy to frame 172 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: OJ Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding and my experience. It's 173 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: too difficult for people to keep the pyhole shut in 174 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: a conspiracy. Even social media is shunning him. He's been 175 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: banned from multiple social media platforms for misogynistic woman hating 176 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: views and hate speech. What more do we know about 177 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate and his freaky brother I know this. They're 178 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: rolling in money. Remainian authorities sees fifteen luxury cars, fourteen 179 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: designer watches, and cash in several currencies. That's weird, worth around. 180 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: Four million dollars. 181 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: These two women haters and alleged sex traffickers are making 182 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: a mint online. 183 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: Look this isn't just a single instance. 184 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Over three hundred million dollars. 185 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: US dollars was seized. That is the tip of the iceberg. 186 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: With how many people this guy is controlling and how 187 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: many women are being subjected to sex trafficking, forced pornography, 188 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: being raped, being beaten. In his chats screenshots purported messages 189 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: from the quote war Room, Tate describes women as quote 190 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: targets and assets, and explains how to isolate and manipulate women. 191 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: In one message, this woman hater describes how he isolated 192 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: one woman until she quote lost her support networks at home, 193 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: and he kept her in his compound quote and this 194 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: tastes like a dirt sandwich to me. The real goal 195 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: is for her to agree to never go anywhere without me, 196 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: even her hometown. I need her working. This is from 197 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: his screenshots. He appears to seek help from his associates 198 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: to force one woman to post sexually explicit content on 199 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: only fans. He tells his followers he'll be making the 200 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: play tonight. Since she moved to his compound, She's been fed, 201 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: but nothing else. These are his words. She's broke, she 202 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: can't go home, she can't leave the house. Man, I 203 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: sound almost evil, guys, this is such a huge operation. 204 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut too, Lucy Williamson. 205 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 6: The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and 206 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 6: within that there are several counts against each of the 207 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 6: four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized 208 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 6: crime unit about the assets that have been seized, properties, cars, 209 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 6: luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US 210 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 6: dollars in crypto currency. And we're told that there are 211 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 6: separate charges that are still under investigation that may be 212 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 6: the subjects of a separate indictment in the future. 213 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: Think about it. How many times have I told a 214 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: jury don't turn away. Think about what's happening around you. 215 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: Think about these facts, young women being forced into sex. 216 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: Rate Think about it. 217 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Do you have a daughter, a mother, a sister. Think 218 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: about her being forced into sex, isolated from her family 219 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: to the ten of this guy making at least three 220 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. 221 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 9: Nancy? 222 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: May I hear someone jumping at Who is it? 223 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 9: Nancy? This is Don Shiller. 224 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller and joining us training 225 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: director for the La County Project with Coalition to Abolish 226 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: Slavery and Trafficking. She's the best selling author of The 227 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: Road through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes down. 228 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: Please jump in, go ahead, thank you, thank you. 229 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 9: I also call myself a lived experience expert in and 230 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 9: that's what we do when we go out and teach 231 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 9: and train around human trafficking. So when I hear the 232 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 9: word grooming a lot, What this really applies to is 233 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 9: the recruitment. Grooming is recruitment under the umbrella of what 234 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 9: is human trafficking. I'm luring somebody in on their vulnerabilities 235 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 9: based off of mes for love and attention whatever that is, 236 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 9: because they didn't have it at home. It is really 237 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 9: a classic form of recruitment into where the victim is 238 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 9: then now kept in by force. Fraud and coercion and 239 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 9: coersion is all types of things. The fraud is this 240 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 9: promise of love that never turns into Love's always like 241 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 9: having to force you into doing something. 242 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew Take's leaked text. Wait 243 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in 244 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:02,479 Speaker 1: the business. 245 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: If we all. 246 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: Agree on that, I'll give you a play by play 247 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: of what I try. 248 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: I do this for every girl I get to work. 249 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: If you, guys see the value, you guys can use 250 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: your bottom bit to do whatever g is doing. You 251 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: are never going back to your hometown, even to visit 252 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: without me. You understand that is part of his technique. 253 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: These are his words, not mine. 254 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on. 255 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,479 Speaker 1: One defit excused of raping one woman twice, using intimidation, 256 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: constant surveillance and claims in the victims were in debt. 257 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: Take a listen at our Cut eight from BBC. 258 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 6: Prosecutors outline the testimony and the evidence against Andrew Tate. 259 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 6: It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear 260 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 6: to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and 261 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 6: the apparent coercion, control and abuse of women mister Tait 262 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 6: and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew Tate 263 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 6: appears to coerce and alleged victim into group sex using 264 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 6: abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in prosecution 265 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 6: transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to twelve 266 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 6: hours a day. 267 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: Slaving women from ten to twelve hours a day okay 268 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: to doctor Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author 269 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: of Serial Killers. One hundred and one question True crime 270 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: fans ask doctor Johnny, thank you for being with us. 271 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: Explain what's happening here? 272 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think this scale or the potential 273 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 10: scale of what is going on is mind boggling, But 274 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 10: the actual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean how 275 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 10: many times do we heard these Nancy, you know, just 276 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 10: isolating people from their loved lines, from people they. 277 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 11: Care about, the abuse, the coercion. 278 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 10: I mean, it's we've heard this in a million different ways. 279 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 10: It's the way to isolate and control your victims, and 280 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 10: it's you know, it's something we've heard over and over again. 281 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Guys, you think this hasn't happened before, It's happened so 282 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: many times before, sex cults. And it's always women and 283 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized, 284 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take 285 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: ust to our cut nineteen. We're talking about Nexium. 286 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: Listen. 287 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 12: Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges 288 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 12: after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women 289 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 12: as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an 290 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 12: organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac 291 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 12: gave a testimonial for the group. 292 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: When I first came, I had on the surface something 293 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: that seems to be like the perfect life for a 294 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: pretty good life. 295 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 12: Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including 296 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 12: sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority. 297 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining me me founder and director of the 298 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. You can find for at coldcasecrimes 299 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: dot org. Cheryl, thank you for being with us. Nexium 300 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: is a US based sex cult where people were actually 301 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: allowed being branded and beaten right here under our nose, 302 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: including celebrities. The only thing different here with Andrew Tate 303 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: is he's rubbing our face in it. It's right here 304 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: on the internet. He's going out to the most expensive 305 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: restaurant he can and videoing his celebration after getting to 306 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: walk free on this. 307 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 13: Nancy, I think some terminology here is going to be important. 308 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: Terminology, Lyria end. How is terminology going to put this 309 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: guy behind bars? Terminology? What does that matter to me? 310 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 13: Because they need to understand who he is. They keep 311 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 13: using words. 312 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 9: Like na who's they today? 313 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 13: On the show, people have said grooming If that implies 314 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 13: over time? Listen to me very carefully. There are three 315 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 13: types of pimps. There's the ceo pimp, there's a robo pimp, 316 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 13: and there's the gorilla pimp. The CEO pimp is all 317 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 13: about money. He only cares about money. She's an object. 318 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 13: He's going to make money. 319 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 11: He owns her. 320 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 13: The Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, you're my wife, 321 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 13: you're my woman, put his name on her neck, tattoo 322 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 13: her as property, but she believes they're together. Then you've 323 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 13: got the gorilla pimp. He's going to bust you in 324 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 13: your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you are 325 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 13: a six slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing. 326 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 13: The gentleman that is doing all of this. He can 327 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 13: go from a Ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or 328 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 13: a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what 329 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 13: you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage, and 330 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 13: the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the 331 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 13: cement floor, working eight hours a day with no brain. 332 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: And when you say working eight hours a day, what 333 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: you mean is in during rape after rape after rape 334 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: after rape after rape, and the pimp gets the money. 335 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: Does the arrest of Andrew Tate and his creepy brother 336 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: spell the end of the so called manosphere? You know, 337 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: like hemisphere, but manosphere the controversial, that's one way to 338 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: put it. Influencer Andrew Tate reportedly will be extradited to 339 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: the UK. This after a grainy footage from police shows 340 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: a man dubbed the quote King of Toxic Masculinity being 341 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: arrested in the dead of the night along with his 342 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: creepy brother and hauled into a Bucharist court in handcuffs. 343 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Within hours, a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and 344 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: Tristan Tate to the UK, where they now face charges 345 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: of sex aggression in a case that dates back back 346 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: to two thousand and fifteen, But the judge says the 347 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: Tate brothers won't actually be sent to the UK until 348 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: they face trial in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking, 349 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: rape and forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate, 350 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: now thirty seven, describes himself as a misogynist. He's a 351 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: British American social media influencer, a former professional kickboxer, and 352 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: has around nine million followers on x formerly Twitter. Of course, 353 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: many of them are just schoolboys. 354 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 9: Hello. 355 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: Multiple women in multiple countries accuse him of rape, sex 356 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: assault and trafficking, and I'm bragging about the crimes on 357 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: social media. Where's the US and all of this? You 358 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: want to tell me he has not exploited women from 359 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: the US. Well, let's go back to the beginning. To you, 360 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: Taitlin Becker, Senior investigator reporter dalimil dot com, could you 361 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: please explain Obviously I'm not doing a good job, and 362 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: I accept that you can do much better than me 363 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: explaining what kind of hate and vitriol Andrew tait spews. 364 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: What does he say? 365 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 8: Well, first and foremost, Nancy, just to sort of put 366 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 8: the pimp question to bed, he sorry for the really 367 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 8: poorly timed pun. 368 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: There too. 369 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 8: He himself at a course called PhD in the war room. 370 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 8: This is where the conversations that you were reading came from. 371 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 8: And PhD stands for pimpin hoose degree. So he was 372 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 8: doing this very much in plain sight. 373 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: You know what, you are so polite. 374 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: I am not PhD pimpin hoose degree. That's what he 375 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: calls women, ladies, whores, pamping whore's degree. 376 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 2: Now, if he were just those are just words. 377 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: I can't proscie some money for words, un less of 378 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: terroristic threats. But these aren't just words. 379 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: Where do you. 380 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus more women 381 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because of Andrew 382 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: take's cult like members that he creates. 383 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: Go ahead, please, Taitlin Becker. 384 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 8: Well, on top of that, Nancy with the money, he 385 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 8: essentially ran a pyramid scheme with his Hustlers University that 386 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 8: was his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month, 387 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 8: and they he essentially gave people advice on how to 388 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 8: be a better man, and how to get wealthy, and 389 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 8: how to control women. And then he would have those 390 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 8: members go and recruit other members. So he's running this 391 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 8: sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think 392 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 8: at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers, 393 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 8: in addition to this other war room, which was certainly 394 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 8: more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages 395 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 8: that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms, 396 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 8: and they spoke about actions with women, about how they 397 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 8: wanted to basically enslave them, how they wanted them to 398 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 8: not have any control, like you said, very cult like, 399 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 8: very much cult like, not have any control over their finances, 400 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 8: not be able to control what they did, what they wore, 401 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 8: what they eat, who they saw, and also separate them 402 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 8: from their families. So those are sort of the actionable 403 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 8: things that he's accused of doing. But what it comes 404 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 8: down to is he had a lot of these women 405 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 8: allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans, which is another 406 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 8: subscription based service, and different kinds of pornography sites which 407 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 8: are other subscription based services. So he would allegedly get 408 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 8: the money in from that while forcing these women for 409 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 8: ten twelve hours hours a day to perform these sex 410 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 8: acts against their will. And these can be done anywhere 411 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 8: because everything is online. 412 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me 413 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: explain that I'm going to go to our other all 414 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: star guests. First of all, a renowned international attorney is 415 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: joining us, Greg Algrin and Lee Reber, incredible forensic detective. Cheryl, 416 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm not making it clear. I don't think I need 417 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: you to help me. I cannot expect everyone in this 418 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: room or everyone listening right now to understand the outrage 419 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: that I'm feeling. I think you have to go, and 420 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: you have to either be a sex assault victim yourself, 421 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: which guess what, you'd be really surprised about the people 422 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: you know that are sex assault victims that have never 423 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: mentioned it. 424 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: You'd be very surprised. 425 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: Unless you are a sex assault victim, or I've worked 426 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: with sex assault victims, or you have gone and you 427 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: have seen for yourself the lives of these women in 428 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: the back of the nail salon, in the back of 429 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: the massage parlors, in the apartments the houses where they 430 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: are beaten and drugged and raped by multiple men a day, 431 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: and their lives are torn apart and they are never 432 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: the same. The beatings, the humiliations, these women, these girls 433 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: just go numb. And while I often say, yeah, you 434 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: can go on, you can go forward in their life, 435 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: yeah you can, but they are forever wounded. Their psyche 436 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: is forever messed up. Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe 437 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: the stench, the smell, the anguish, the numbness that these women. 438 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: Are living through. 439 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: Right now, while we're talking about which word to use, 440 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: they're being ready to sodomize and mean right now. 441 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 13: Cheryl Antey, I think you're doing a beautiful job, but 442 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 13: I know for us on the street level and law enforcement. 443 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 10: It is so difficult. 444 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 13: When you find a location and you kick that door 445 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 13: in and you see somebody that's about twelve years old 446 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 13: and they're scared to death to come to you. They're 447 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 13: scared to death to talk. They will not give the 448 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 13: person's name up, they will not tell what's been happening. 449 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 13: They don't want to be reunited with their families. Everything 450 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 13: in their life is upside down. And when you're talking 451 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 13: about trying to help somebody and you know, bring them 452 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 13: back home and get them to a place where they 453 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 13: can maybe even go back to school, it's almost impossible. 454 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: Yes, Cheryl hold On, I want to talk about grown women. Okay, 455 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 1: and yes, everything you just said was right, But these women, 456 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: it's like the ladies that I work with at the 457 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and 458 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: drugged and it's horrible. 459 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. 460 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 13: It's not much different for us. Since she's twenty one 461 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 13: or thirty five, everything has been flipped for her. The 462 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 13: paranoia is real. The drugs they were giving them is real, 463 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 13: The beatings are real. So you are so afraid to 464 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 13: go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in 465 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 13: law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says. 466 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 11: You believe this person that's. 467 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 13: Been beaten you, there's been drugging you, that's been sexually 468 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 13: assaulting you, is still in control of you. Even if 469 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 13: they've been taken to jam. 470 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 9: This is Don Schiller again. I don't think I am 471 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 9: a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what 472 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 9: I went through. I went through that with John Holmes. 473 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 9: I went through that with almost six years of being hidden, 474 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 9: being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution, 475 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 9: being forced into crime. I did all of that. I 476 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 9: know that trauma is a life sentence. Feel you, and 477 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 9: I hear you on that on a big level, on 478 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 9: a big level, and I do care about these women, 479 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 9: and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing, 480 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 9: I agree with you one hundred percent is absolutely egregious. 481 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 9: That he's just throwing it in people's faces is even 482 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 9: more insulting to survivors, and the victims who are still 483 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 9: out there are scared to death to speak up. You 484 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 9: don't know you're a victim when you are coming out 485 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 9: of that. You've been brainwashed into believe in that you 486 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 9: did it to yourself if you consented to all of that. 487 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 9: That's part of the tactic that the youth. 488 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Tate actually rose to fame 489 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: when he was kicked off the British version of our 490 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: TV show Big Brother back in twenty sixteen. Now, this 491 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: was after the release of a video that appeared to 492 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: show him attacking a woman. He climbs, it was edited 493 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: and then it's a quote lie to make me look bad. 494 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm gonna believe you and my lion eyes 495 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: chew on that Tate. He's been banned from other social 496 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: media platforms like insta, TikTok, Facebook, YouTube. For some reason, 497 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: he's still on Twitter slash X. 498 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: Now. 499 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: Briefly, Twitter aka X did band Tate because he wrote 500 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: women should bear quote some responsibility quote for being sex assaulted. Okay, yeah, 501 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: but then he was reinstated. Why why Musk? Why elon Musk? 502 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: Was he reinstated? Tate has videos with the hashtag Andrew 503 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Tate that have been watched literally billions, that's billion, with 504 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: b as a brother on the TikTok platform, making him 505 00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: one of the most viewed figures spewing his hatred. Mak 506 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: Augrin is joining us as well as Lee Reeber, greg 507 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: high profile international lawyer with the US dash Emacs law group. 508 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: Listen to this more of the messages in the misogynistic 509 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker. This is in 510 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: his wor room. It structs members to quote punish victims 511 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: that would be women for transgressions by having her get 512 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: our name tattooed on her. One group leader, called a general, 513 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: describes how he hit a woman in the head with 514 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: her own keyboard when she complained about something. The woman 515 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: who worked for him then went in the room and 516 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: worked seven hours without a break. It goes on and 517 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: on and on about how to beat and control women 518 00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: to perform pornographic acts. Group sex, many online mini on screen. 519 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg, A lot of what 520 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: I know from these alleged messages of Andrew Tates I 521 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: can't bring myself to repeat on the air. But let 522 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: me ask you, what can the US do about it? 523 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: Because there is there are so many victims here, I believe, 524 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: including one victim whose name has somehow been linked, and 525 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: all these a holes working for Tait or working under 526 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: Tait have actually started trolling her and sending this woman 527 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: death threats. I mean, what are we going to do 528 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: about it? And what can we do about it? 529 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 11: Sure? So, the situation, it's just it's so outrageous that 530 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 11: it cries out for legal accountability. And I think, you know, 531 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 11: eventually it has to catch up with all of them 532 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 11: in a permanent right, because Andrew Tate is a citizen 533 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 11: by birth of the United States, and so he can 534 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 11: flee the country, but he can't. He can't lose that citizenship. 535 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 11: And that means the US, with his network of mutual 536 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 11: legal assistance treaties, is always going to have an interest. 537 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 11: Perhaps you know, it's a question of sort of capturing 538 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 11: the attention of law enforcement, but the US has the 539 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 11: means to catch up with it wherever he is and 540 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 11: ensure there's some legal accountability. So it needs to happen 541 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 11: a lot of times. It's very, very slow, it's bureaucratic, 542 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 11: but it's a process that is it can be virtually 543 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 11: impossible to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully 544 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 11: we'll see sooner rather than later, that legal accountability. There's 545 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 11: a structure for it. It just needs to be engaged. 546 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: I want you to hear this. 547 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: Andrew take quote told rape victim he would get her pregnant, 548 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: lock her away, allegedly find webcam workers that started crying 549 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: during sex acts on webcam and tried to coerce them 550 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: into group sex, and then they started crying. 551 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 2: And so he punished them. 552 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: This is his business that is making five million dollars 553 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: a month. One victim claims Tate tried to force her 554 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: to have group sex and said shut up her when 555 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: she tried to object. 556 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: There are hundreds and hundreds of. 557 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: Pages of reported testimony and evidence verbally physically abusing these women. 558 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: One woman tells Prosecutor's tape would rape her while holding 559 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: her head so as she couldn't move, and threatened to 560 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: get her pregnant. I mean it goes on and on 561 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away 562 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: from her and continue to beat her. Shut up, horror, 563 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: you will do as I say. I mean, it goes 564 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: on and on and on, and I'm reading you only 565 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently Caitlin, 566 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: are promised love a marriage, and then they are transported, 567 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: many of them to Romania, where they are gang raped, 568 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence. There are hundreds 569 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of pages of reported violence. One 570 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: victim reports a take coworker, a henchman, threatens to quote 571 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: break her teeth. 572 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 2: That she would end up in the morgue. 573 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: The women creating porn fortates brothers webcam business allege their 574 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: income is controlled by the taps. They are fined or 575 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: punished if they start crying during a sex act, if 576 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: they wipe their nose, if they take too long on 577 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: a break. 578 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: It just goes on and on and on. 579 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: Book this guy, Try him and put him under the jail. 580 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 2: That's just my advice. Goodbye.