WEBVTT - #454 - Miles Minnick 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.240 It was good. Everybody, some boy, Miles Minic, it takes 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.560 me out. On the Bootleg Cab Podcast, Let's get it. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.640 All right man. Bootleg Cab Podcast Special guests in here 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.560 Miles Minic, Welcome, welcome. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:14.880 Well, it's good to be here, man, Let's get to it. 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.640 Yes. So, for people who are not familiar with who 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.919 you are, you're from the Bay Area, Yes, sir. And 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.280 would you consider yourself a quote unquote Christian rapper? 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.080 A lot of people would. Yeah. I do music about 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.479 my life and I live my life for the Lord. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.560 So how long have you making music? 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:34.559 Making music all together? Maybe like ten years? Doing it 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.320 professionally like five and. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.400 The whole time is your like message in the same No. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:39.680 No, for surely not. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:40.320 No. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.199 I grew up in a Bay like doing like you know, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.159 the mob music, the gangster rap, like rolling with like 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.960 DV to General, DSB, click like all of them, with 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.319 that like get active movement like twenty ten, so. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.880 You were like your content was much more aggressive. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.160 Oh for surely yeah. Yeah yeah, but like around twenty eleven, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.480 you know what I'm saying, Like I found I found 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.320 the Lord and eventually like surrounding my music over it 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.039 to them you know what I'm saying, And. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.160 Did you notice, like, well that was a long time ago. Fuck, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.039 that's I'm sorry. I'm gonna cuss a lot. You please 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.880 excuse me, because I can't control it around anyone's children either. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.160 Sometimes my friends bring the kids around. I'll just be 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.120 talking and they'd be like yo, and I'm like, hey, man, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.320 don't bring your fucking kid around me. Then respectfully, anyway, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.280 with that being said, I mean you're like, it's a 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:31.120 long twenty ten and now it's fourteen years. Yeah, you 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.240 know it didn't happen overnight for you. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.000 Well, definitely not. And it's like when I became a Christian, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:41.080 I didn't know if doing music was like acceptable the 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.200 way I was doing it, Like I was in the 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.080 streets doing aggressive music, and when I thought about doing 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.040 that for God, I didn't think that that was acceptable. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.560 And so it took me a minute to get back 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:50.920 into it. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.080 So you like took a break from so yeah, and 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.400 then you like kind of were like, all right, now 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.200 I'm gonna kind of make my music about positivity and yeah. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.240 Yeah, And that was like when I started really tapping too. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:05.840 It taking serious was the beginning of twenty eighteen. So 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.079 between twenty eleven twenty eighteen, I'm just like just trying 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.840 to figure it out, trying to grow in my character, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.239 integrity and saying, trying to really just become a man, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:14.040 you know what I mean. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:19.160 Yeah, you know it's interesting because I feel like if 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.040 someone says they're a Christian rapper, they automatically are looked 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.320 at with a certain I would say negative stigma and 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.560 hip hop. Would you say that's the case. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.760 I would say maybe in the grand scheme of things, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.480 But for me, that really hasn't been a case, right, Yeah, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:39.240 And maybe because of the sound that I have and 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.800 how I look, whatever the case may be, like, and 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.239 maybe because I'm authentically like from. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.280 Here right, I mean, listen, you have I told I 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:48.720 told you this off. So I was like, Bro, your 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.919 shit is like high fiass Christian music. It's like music 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:58.000 you geld bit of carto and then repent after card. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:04.040 To after Yo. Hey, I'll take that, yeah, as long 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:04.800 as they were apinted. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.320 But uh, yeah, you know, because because for me, it's 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.120 like there's guys like Shouts of Lacree, who's obviously had 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.040 a major deal with Atlantic for I think it was 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.880 Atlantic Colombia. I think Combia. Yeah, but he was on 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.840 a major label. I don't know if he still is 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.600 or not. I don't want to speak about the situation, 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.440 but obviously very successful artist. I feel like Lacree was 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.120 like he was dope, but he happened to be a 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.560 Christian rapper. And I kind of feel like that's the 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.800 key because there's guys who like a quote unquote Christian rappers, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.440 but their music is very it's not very palatable. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.280 Like for like a general audience. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.400 Yeah, Like I feel like I pressed play on your 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:42.920 ship and I was like, oh, this is just like 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.160 if I didn't know that, like this is just some 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:45.640 shit to. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.280 Yeah, it's like once you realize is Christian, it's too late, 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.920 like you already like it, right, you know what I'm saying. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.320 And so that's kind of like the method like putting 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.560 the the medicine and the food. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.640 Is there any uh? Because obviously is there like a 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.960 Christian rap world that you have to kind of penetrate 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.280 and get into, Like are there? Like I just do 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.200 you know what I'm saying, Like, there's definitely a world. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:09.960 Are there Christian rap blogs and shit? 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:10.640 Yes? 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.440 Like what's the Christian rap academics? 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:18.960 Yeah? Ooh, Christian Rap Academics. Oh okay, proper exl okay. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.600 So that's a popular instagram for Christian rap rap Zilla, 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.960 you got ch Promotions. Anda stands for Christian hip Hop 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.760 and there's like a plethoro though. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.640 So there's like tons of Christian hip hop artists that 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.000 they don't even know there is. It's just the world. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.440 I'm not hip too whatsoever. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.919 It's a subgenre of hip hop, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.839 But people are selling out shows. 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.080 No, I saw you do it. Listen. It is not 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.680 easy to sell. There's so many artists that could not 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.240 sell out a quarter of the Novo let alone the 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.440 full thing. So that's very, very impressive. And you got 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.520 to show coming up to the Observatory too in August. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:53.480 Right, August thirty first yep. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.919 Yeah, So like you're doing like big venues, Like this 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.800 is like a movement that you're doing. So I think 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.200 it's dope. Like kudos to you, ma because doing it 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:00.680 your way. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:02.960 Oh much, love, bro, It's a blessing. You know. I 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.440 used to think that I had to rap about a 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.320 certain thing a certain way to make any kind of 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.560 progress or be successful. But it's like I'm just leaning 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:09.480 to what I feel like is right. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:10.839 I mean, at the end of the day, I always 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.520 tell people if you got a niche, and I'm not 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.320 saying that, like you being a Christian is a niche 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.600 because this is your life, like it's who you are, right, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.680 But in hip hop it's a niche. Yeah yeah, And 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.680 like you know, with any sort of art form, I 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.560 feel like, lean into your niche because it's tribe, yeah 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:27.960 for sure. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.200 Yeah. Yeah. And we I feel like I tried found 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.719 us though, Like we just started putting on music. Then 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.440 I put out a song called Glow and then our 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.680 followers would just like organically call my team like, oh, 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.640 look at the Glow Team. Look at the glowers. It's 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.760 not okay, glow Nation. They'll call them glow Nation. And 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.760 then I grew into something bigger than we can imagine. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:51.800 You feel me. Now we got Glow Festival. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.640 So is that your like your fan base, like your beehive, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.080 my behive, glow Nation is your behive? 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.960 Yeah, my my Bobby Socks is my rap pack. You 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.120 know what I'm saying. Yeah? Yeah? 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.680 So who was your who were your favorite rappers? Just 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.279 like coming up like that, you obviously being from the 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.120 Bay like, who are some guys who like influenced you? 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:12.880 Who you would take. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.600 The main one for surely forty forty my getto report Card. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:22.080 That album definitely shaped my childhood. You know. Of course 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.880 Mac dre as well. The wolf Pack got my bands a. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.600 One of the most influential rap groups ever that gets 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:28.000 no credit. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.320 Absolutely, and then I feel like what came out of 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.320 the wolf Pack is like HBK Gang so. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.480 And I would like to point out that a lot 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.400 of those beat that the Packs were rapping on us 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.640 sounded a lot like Mustard and League of Stars. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.039 That came a little I wasn't gonna say, you know 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.640 what I'm saying, must love, must love to muster to everybody. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.160 No, no, but I'm just letting you like that the 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.080 Bay had a little they had some influence on everybody. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.039 I just had this conversation yesday. I'm like, Yo, the 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.520 Bay and Texas get no love when it comes to 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.280 who they influenced, Like the Bays influenced everybody and the 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.799 Baby and always forgotten. We know it's no, yeah, definitely 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.640 know because y'all let everybody know. Trust me, you meet 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:06.960 somebody from the Bank, they'll tell you. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.479 We got this big chip on our shoulder. You feel me. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.520 But people from the Bear are like people who do CrossFit. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.520 They won't stop telling you about that. Yeah we get it, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:15.080 we get yeah. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.280 Yeah, It's like it's the culture. We're proud of it. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:18.800 And if nobody gonna talk about it, were gonna talk 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:19.360 about it. Got you. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.480 Have you worked with the obviously you're making noise. Have 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.720 you worked with any of the other up and coming 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.720 art like a guy like Pilo or like you know, 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.720 some of the guys who are making John Mexican. I 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.240 don't know if you would you work with somebody if 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.680 they are not Let's ask that, if they're not aligned 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.040 with you spiritually, values wise, would you work with someone? 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.440 And we was talking about this yesterday on ruse Line. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.280 So I'm actually about to get in the studio with Pilow, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.000 coming up song. We're gonna make some slaps. I'm in 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.320 a studio with l Russell in two days. You know 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.600 what I'm saying. And these aren't necessarily Christian artists. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.480 He is not a Christian, you know, and had some nights. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.080 You know what I'm saying. But that don't mean we 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.600 can't make a song that is palatable for both of 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.120 our audiences that doesn't come. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.640 You'll work with Yeah, as long as it's not some 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.720 crazy as long as than I. You're not gonna work 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.000 with white boy Cardi though. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.160 I mean now me feel me like the symbolism and stuff, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:18.000 the people getting possessed during his concerts, we can have 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:18.440 to work on that. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.200 I've been I've been to a Cardi show and very 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.560 very some vampire member me and it's there and I 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.160 was like, what the fuck's happening. 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:26.960 Like some vampires. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.760 No, I just didn't. Dude, was like a seance on stage, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.960 And I'm like, you know, that was the only time 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.400 in hip hop and like, you know, I'll be around 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.960 some young young ass ship. But if the Cardi ship 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.160 had rolled them loud. Yeah, seeing all these it was 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.240 this is in Miami, you seeing all these dusty ass, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.640 muddy white kids with beat up forces just fucking just 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.200 like it was just like, I'm like this, I don't 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.559 get it. Yeah, It's the only hip hop moment in 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.200 my life where I looked up and I was like, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.600 I don't know what's happening. Let's go back to the trailer. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.120 Yeah, I don't. I don't really understand it either, you know, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.480 shout out to him. Yeah, big, big shout out. Soon 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.160 he got a movement behind him, you know what I'm saying, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:04.640 So maybe one day we could we could top it 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:05.280 up or something. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:10.280 Do you feel like as somebody who is a Christian 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.760 do you feel because I feel like nowadays a lot 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.240 of artists they have like cult like followings, and I 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.280 feel like there's a lot of kids who kind of 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.360 replace like, you know, when I was growing up, but 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.240 my parents are growing up. I feel like religion was 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.200 a lot more like pushed upon kids and you know, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.560 stuff like that. But nowadays it feels like like artists 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.160 and celebrities and are kind of like the new religion 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:34.960 for a lot of these kids. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:39.200 Do you Yeah, Yeah, Well, so like your question is like, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.040 how do I feel about Yeah, Like, well, Christianity not 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:48.920 being the norm as it was before. I mean, this generation, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.360 they're heavily influenced by what they see on their phones 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.680 or like the artists of today. I'm just I'm just 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.440 grateful that I found something that's more more meaningful to me. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.320 You know what I'm saying, That kid, that's that lasts 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.360 longer than the hype of an artist, You know what 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.160 I'm saying, So I'm just trying to encourage people like, fine, fine, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.000 find your your peace, you know what I'm saying. And 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:11.240 my piece is found in Jesus. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:17.840 So do you care like to have non religious people 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.520 like come to your party? Like do you want do 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.400 you want those people to like be fans? 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:21.480 Like? 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.720 Or is it like, hey, I got the show because 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.280 what's the name of your album? It's like Cali Christ. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:26.559 What is it? 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.959 Christ like California. So it's like me like if I 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.199 didn't know, like if DJHA didn't put me up on 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.240 you or Ace didn't call me, if someone sent me 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.280 an album and said Christ like California as somebody's gotta 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.960 tell you, I'd have been like, well, this shit ain't 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.560 for me. I wouldn't even a press play. Now I 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.600 pressed play and I was like, oh, this ship is fire, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.640 Like this shit is dope. But it's like I almost 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.560 feel it's almost like when Kanye put out Jesus King. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.720 It was my least favorite Kanye album because I felt 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.000 like he was pushing something on me and I was like, well, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.679 this ain't for me. You know what I'm saying. I 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.320 feel like listening to your music, it doesn't feel like 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.400 you're overly like slapping people upside the head with yeah, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.320 but what uh? But the title is the title is 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.240 like it's going to like scare some people off before 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.280 they even are able to give you a chance. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:18.840 I can feel that. I can feel that. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.599 I'm not to say that like you care or you 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.280 should care because your this is your mission. Yeah, I'm 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.760 just from my perspective, I'm like, well, me in this 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:34.439 fool like he's he's he's Jewish. He just did a 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.040 he just did a twenty three and me and found 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.400 out he's thirty percent Jewish. Yes, he just did the test. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.600 He's Jewish and Mexican straight up. His his his grandma 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.400 cheated on his grandpa with the Jewish neighbor. We found 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.319 all that. We literally found this all out in the 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.800 last twelve months. My producer did one of the DNA 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.520 tests for people who can't see him on camera. Now 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.520 he does. I told him he's a leading I told 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.199 him he's a leaning to it. I said, got you 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.520 own it, it's who you are. You got to go 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.319 to the bable shop anyway. But I was just saying 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.480 like in terms of like we're hip hop fans. So 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.360 when I hear when I heard your music, I was like, oh, 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:12.680 this shit is dope. But I think that like the 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.320 like you like we said the title. If I was 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.400 just some normal rap fan, I might be like, man, 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.800 that's some preachy ash Christian shit, like, yeah, how do 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.160 you find the because you're obviously what you're doing is 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.160 working for you. That's why I'm like, do you care that? 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:32.679 Like that might push normal hip hop fans away or 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.960 maybe just turn them off from like trying to discover 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:35.360 what you got. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.360 I mean maybe I could. I could consider the titles more, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.000 but I'm more so think about them when i'm making 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.200 the music more so than i'm titling the song right, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.920 Like with a song like boosted Up, Like that's a 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.960 song about God to going harder in your faith. But 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:48.800 when you put that thing on, you get sneeze to it, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.000 squabble to it, you can go crazy to it, and 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.440 it's not going to scare them away. And for christ 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.880 like California the album, really that was me like blending 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.720 my faith with the culture. You know what I'm saying, 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.520 because you're gonna get this cross like message, but with 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.920 the California sounds stop no, it sound great. Yeah, I 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.320 appreciate it bro, But yeah, man, we're just trying to 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.080 trying to figure it out as we go. No, I 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.920 mean it's working man grateful. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.000 Do they have any Christian rap beefs happening? You know? 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.520 Yes there is, yes, wow, yes, but a lot of 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.400 it is like like on the low, like. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.000 On the under, people hating on the low. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.520 On the under you'll be surprised, like how many unreleased 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.000 Christian disc songs you will. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.280 Find it's very Unchristian like. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.600 No for really, that's why they don't put it out. Wow, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.040 that's why they don't release it. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:39.439 You and the Craig got beef. It started the Kendrick verse. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.320 Drake things sounds. I know, they're not like us freestyle. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.240 Right, so did so did uh? So. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.079 I'm just curious here because Christian rappers beefing with each 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.120 other just feels it just feels it feels like an oxymoron. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.520 But you know what people have, You know what, people 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:58.640 tend to use my songs to subliminately dis other people 0:13:58.679 --> 0:13:59.040 on them. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.559 Oh so you have songs with features where other guys. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.080 Like, why you gotta do that? All by soul? Like 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.319 they don't drop names, but it's like you're clearly talking 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.520 about so and so on my song. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.880 It's like, when you hear that, do you send them 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.480 a text and say ww JD. Jesus wouldn't diss somebody 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.000 on my song, don't sub somebody on my shit? 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.240 Hey hey, but but you will be told Jesus was 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.120 low key dissing a lot of people in a Bible. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.760 Satan for sure, if you look at it, you don't 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.840 say the overreligious folks. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.600 Here was smoke for Satan and the overreligious folks. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:31.480 And the over religious. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.240 Do you think overreligious people are a problem? 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:34.120 Absolutely? 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.720 Yeah? What would you just find is overreligious? 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.400 Okay? Okay, I think I think. I think it's a 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.280 good thing to really break down. So an example of 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.080 somebody being overreligious is, let's say the protesters that come 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.760 to my events. We get protested a lot by certain 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.960 religious groups that say what you're doing you satanic? Is demonic. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:54.240 God doesn't approve trust me. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:55.560 I walk by them all the time. I go to 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.440 wrestling shows, and these guys are they got fucking signs 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.400 and megaphones screaming at me, and I'm just like dude, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.920 and it's like, I think this is how like you're 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.680 gonna like? This is not how it's done, buddy. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:09.840 You know what I mean, It's like I respect like 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.840 the heart behind it. They may think they're doing the 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.880 right thing, but like, Bro, that's that's not how you. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.040 You're not going to reach me that way. You're not 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.800 going to get me to change that way. Even if 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.600 I felt like I wanted to change off for what 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.160 you're saying, it's not going to happen through that sit 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.240 down with me. Yeah, send me a DMR, talk to 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:26.640 somebody that. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.640 I mean, but you're putting out great music. That's about. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.880 I think. I think what they want from me is 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.800 the overtness that maybe other artists offer. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.720 Tell them to go protest Sexy Red not you ship bro. Bro. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.840 We did an event in downtown LA called Glovember. There 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.000 was a rave next. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.160 Door to our event, but there are protesting you. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.760 I'm like, yo, if you want to come against darkness, right, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:52.800 go next door. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.440 Everyone's on ecstasy next door. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.120 You feel what I'm saying. Yeah, So I don't know that. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.360 To me, that's that's overreligious. But we just try to 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.080 We try to really live for the Lord and just 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:02.760 be ourselves. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.680 What was what? What? What kind of was the catalyst 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:11.440 to you finding Christ? And you know giving your life. Hey, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.720 it's a good hazus out there. Yeah. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.160 Yeah. Two two two things, two things. One day when 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.800 I was sixteen years old, it was a Wednesday night. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.320 I was smoking weed heavy in the middle of a 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.760 smoking session. Good Wednesday, Yeah, good good, good weed Wednesday. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.560 My friend was like, hey, Miles, bro, we should go 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.960 to church. I'm like, go to church. Hi like Hi, 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.200 talking about great time, were talking about go to church. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:34.760 It's like, Bro, they got the girls of the youth group. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:38.080 Bro go crazy, like, let's tap in, let's really go 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.480 uh high out some girls. And so we went. But 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.560 the youth group was closed that night, and so we 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.440 went into the main the main sanctuary with all the 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.800 older people. So we went in there and then me 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.960 never been in a church before. I've never been a 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.160 church person. I don't know on the music, I didn't 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.480 know anything about it. But in the service, I was 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:56.360 like captivated. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.120 What kind of church was this? Was this a black church? 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.360 Black church? I was captivated. Then at the end of 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.239 the message, the pastor that was called an altar call, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:05.879 where you called somebody to the front they want to 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.879 accept the Lord. And when I went to the front, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:09.520 me being the only one that went to the front. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.880 It's like I was uncontrollably like crying my eyes out, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:18.000 and I literally felt something I never felt before. It 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.480 was like a warmth and embrace, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.440 And so that wasn't the weed, Brother, wasn't the weed. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.640 It felt It felt like God took way one high 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:27.880 and gave me annoying that night. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.639 Just so we're clear, the night you accepted God, you 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:32.160 were high. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.359 That's great, yeah, yeah, but but I was still like 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.240 like on the fence about it, even even with that moment. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.040 But two years after that, I was like in a 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.960 tug of war for my soul. Real Like my friends 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.840 in the streets was like Myles bro, like, why are 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.880 you switching up? Then my girlfriend at the time, who's 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:51.960 not my wife, she was like, let's go to church morrow. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.480 Let's really like try to get better with this. And 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.080 so on a Saturday night, I'm like, God, if you're real, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.600 I need you to speak to me in church tomorrow 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.000 if you're real. If not, then I'll just live my 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.160 own life. I went to Hurst the next day. Out 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.040 of nowhere, the guest speaker from Atlanta seize me in 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.680 the back. He said, you young man, come here, calls 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.920 me out of a whole church, a whole crowded church. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:14.840 I came to the front. He was like, young man, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.040 I don't know what's going on in your life, but 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.240 I feel like your call to do music for God. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.800 God's gonna use you on social media. God's going to 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.879 change your life and all of these things. Right, tell 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.720 me things about myself. I didn't never talk nobody. He 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.159 didn't know I was struggling. He didn't know who He 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:28.320 didn't know who I was. 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:29.200 Who was this guy? 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.159 His name is Apostle Hardened. I never met him, No, 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.639 no James Harden, but told me that and then that 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.879 that was like okay, like I feel like. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.160 This is to Apostle Harden. That guy he's on his ship. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.639 Hey red no cap damn. He was tapped in. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.600 So he was just like he kind of just like 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:52.359 showed you the way, like, oh, this is this is 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:53.600 the right path I need to go on. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.600 I feel like God answered my prayer through him calling 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:56.280 me out to the front. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.240 That's nah, I mean I get it. That shit's crazy. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.359 They asked him before and then he called out the 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.320 music and the social media and wild and at that 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:05.960 so what year, how long ago? 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:10.760 Is this rather that I was October fourteenth, twenty twelve. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.000 Oh shit, that was twenty twelve. Like I didn't fully 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.440 dive into the music at that time, but that's when 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:19.119 I knew eventually. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.480 So from twenty twelve to like twenty eighteen, what are 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.720 you doing to make money? You just got a regular job? 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.000 What are you So? 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:26.680 I was working at a movie theater at that time, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.840 My Cinemas in Pittsburgh. Then I was working at Willis 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.560 Fargo for like four years, then Travis Credit Union. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:35.160 So you were at the bank. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:36.679 Yeah, I was a little banker. 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.399 You're good with math, yeah, but I hated it. I 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.760 did not like yo when you guys would like, my 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.840 friend manages bank and every time there's like sixty dollars missing. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.680 She's the manager, so she has to go through the 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.080 entire day. Sometimes she'll be at the bank until like 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.119 eleven o'clock at night trying to track down we're sixty. 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.919 Dollars Truma, bro don't even And that's how I got 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.639 That's how I got fired from the bank twenty nineteen. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:05.240 Well, it could be it could be like that, but 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.280 but it's like if you can't find where the money's 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.040 missing it's on you, right, yeah. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:10.280 Yeah. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.200 And sometimes it's like somebody goes to the bank and 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.160 they and you give them too much money. That's they're 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:18.040 not gonna give it back to you. 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.200 Sometimes sometimes but most of the time of course not 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.360 you would give it back. Presley's working in the hood. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.440 We worked in Antioch. Yeah, all kinds of people. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:31.119 Shout out to Woody rest in peace. Big tones from 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:35.480 antioc Oh yeah, yeah, Hey, Simbuls from Antioch. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.359 Yes he is. Yeah, that long Tree Deer Valley legend 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:41.520 him a young Kurt was really putting on. 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.000 But yeah, no, I just so you were you were 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.560 just doing the normal shit. So you start taking music 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.720 series again at twenty eighteen, yep, yep for Shelly. 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:52.720 So how many I was a youth pastor too during 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.160 the time I was working at the bank, so I'm 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:55.879 at the charge like he's young people and stuff too. 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:56.440 How many? 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:56.840 Uh? 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.560 Like, how long before you actually started to like catch 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.359 real track should doing this new style of music and 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:03.920 you were like, oh, this is gonna work, like this 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.399 might work out, like immediately immediately. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.800 Yeah, immediately. It's been it's been a slow burn, but 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:10.119 I had any immediate spark. 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:11.920 Well, you're also pretty talented. So like a lot of 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.040 Christian rappers aren't that talented, you know, from what I've heard, 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.040 at least, the only one I can point at is 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:19.440 L Craze. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:20.800 I'm gonna put you on some dope ones. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.200 Do you remember a guy named Carmen back in the 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.879 day who used to sing on like Channel Towell, on 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.200 like the Christian TV. His name was Carmen Carmen, I 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.240 don't know, Oh my god. So I been to black 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:37.240 churches many times as my best friends, like very religious, 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.760 grew up with him, would go to church with him. 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.040 And every time I'd be like the only white kid 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.440 and that motherfucker and I feel like the preacher would 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.800 be looking right at me, and I just feel and 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.320 I have all these older black ladies dancing and losing 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:57.440 their shit. Yeah, sitting there just shook, like, man, why 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.280 do I spend on that at this one's house this weekend? 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.000 But there was this but he used to listened to 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.800 Christian music at his house. There's a guy named Carmen, 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:08.679 and then obviously Kirk Franklin, you know. 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.560 Yeah, Kirk still going crazy to this day. 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:12.960 Apply stunt double. 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:15.280 As plies five. 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.720 Well no, no, yeah, plies is history. Yeah, it could 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:22.800 be plies that. Yeah, but no, I mean, like, obviously 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.359 your shit is actually dope, so like it's immediately you 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:26.440 saw that it was going to work. 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.320 Immediately, I felt like, you know, it was not for 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:30.920 me to dive into it. So I was doing everything 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:32.680 that I could to really try to pop off and 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.680 gain some traction. So I was dropping freestyle videos, was 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:37.520 going kind of crazy on Instagram. But I was also 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.080 doing every kind of show I could, community show, church show, 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.200 even like these awards ceremonies for rappers in the Bay 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.399 and so this one is called the non Quota Awards 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.760 for the Not Too five area code in Pittsburgh. That 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.440 happened in twenty eighteen. I was the only Christian rapper 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.639 a part of the show. And in the middle of 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.040 my set, while I'm performing, the music cuts out right 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.200 as it cuts out. Instead of me panicking being pissed 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.359 at the sound man, I just frezed out a hook. 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.240 Devil want to run up on me? It's bad. Somebody 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.800 recorded it. It went viral on Facebook. The whole theater 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.320 went dumb to that joint. And that was my first 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.720 song that really like in California, That's do Yeah, it's 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.600 kind of crazy, kind of crazy. Yeah, So that that 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.720 like had my schedule going nuts. Like my my tour 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.359 schedule was like an engine scroll you have to. 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:26.480 Like so you're doing like concerts, you're doing like church stuff. 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.800 Like all of the above. Like so I was throwing 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.600 my own shows, but primarily I was getting booked at 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.480 conferences at churches and youth groups and all of that. 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.840 But it would be lit and I would post the 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.720 footage and it's like, you couldn't really tell it's a church. 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:41.879 It looks like it's a lit concert, you know what 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:42.280 I'm saying. 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.720 So I gotta ask you because I, uh, I was 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.600 just listening to a podcast about uh about religion a 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:52.920 little bit. But they were talking about Joe Olstein and 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.600 what's the guy with the evil eyes who got the 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.800 private jet? Oh uh, the white dude. 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.560 No, not Kraftlow, it's the white dude. 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:03.240 You know what I'm talking about. 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.160 I know he's talking about that, ye like a real 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.800 like he was like Tyler Perry made it so cheap 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:08.920 for me. I had to buy it. 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:13.000 I had to buy Yeah, he's he's he's the richest 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:14.840 pastor in the world right now, just for people know 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.560 he's worth like one hundred million dollars. He's more rich 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:18.960 than Joelstein, like he's. 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.960 Paid because he's like internationally influenced. 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.159 Correct anyway, So you know, my main gripe with religion 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:33.479 in general is the I feel like it is easily 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:39.480 manipulated to control poor people. And I feel like, you know, 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.480 the whole entire like idea of being a pastor or 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.040 being like a preacher, being somebody who's like a man 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.119 of God is like to be selfless. That should be 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.800 the idea, you know what I mean. And you know, 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:56.480 I feel like at times we'll see like these preachers 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:01.560 who will fully take advantage of the gig of having 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:08.320 a non non taxable entity that they're a part of, yes, 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.399 and you know they use it for their benefit, and 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:16.159 you know it is what it is. But you know, 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:17.840 me and my boy James are just talking and he 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:19.360 was like, it's crazy because he grew up in the church, 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.879 and he was like, he's a stand up comedian. He's like, 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:23.800 being a preacher is kind of like being a stand 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:27.440 up comedian. He's like, because you gotta you gotta kind 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:28.520 of like spit your shit. 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:29.639 You gotta captivate them. 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.600 And then you gotta hopefully you get your own church, 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.479 and then otherwise people are doing like there's preachers who 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.159 are preaching in like a room like this with chairs 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:41.800 and then you know, eventually they get their own church. 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.880 He's like, the thing is is like I just feel 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:47.440 like it's crazy. If like a preacher comes to preach 0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.680 in like a two thousand dollars suit and then goes 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:51.840 and jumps in like a S five hundred. 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:53.359 They're likely and their church is falling apart. 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.920 It ain't even that. It's like, yo, like, isn't that 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.359 kind of like not what God would want? Or I'm crazy? 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.920 Like Joel Olstein is so rich and my and this 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.040 podcast I was listening to was like Joe Olstein such 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:11.040 a great motivational speaker that if he just stepped away 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.480 from being a quote unquote preacher and was a motivational 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.159 speaker who happened to be Christian, people would look at 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:17.879 him in like a lot more like a positive way 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.520 because he's like very talented. He's a talented a lot 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.600 of these guys very uplifting talented guys. But at the 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.640 same time, like it's the same guy who like initially 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.880 tried to prevent people from sheltering at his church until 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:32.200 he got called out for and then he was like, 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.199 oh no, no, no, But that's probably my biggest gripe 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.840 with like commercial Christianity is like a lot of the 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.680 quote unquote like faces of it to me or like 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.800 based on my knowledge of Christianity not very christ like. 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.480 M Yeah, I've definitely, I've definitely seen what you're talking about. 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.040 Of course is like a well known thing as some 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.840 pastors may have been exposed for those kind of things. 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.000 Or I've been at churches to where the doorknobs are missing, 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.359 but you have a Bentley, the paint is falling off 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.440 of the walls, but you got the friend gatas on. 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:06.679 Like a lot of stuff din't add up for. 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:07.760 Me, none of that makes sense. 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.439 Yeah, but for me early on, it's like I had 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.119 to realize, like it would be unhealthy for me to 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:17.000 let Christians take me away from Christ. You know what 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.440 I'm saying, Like, regardless of what they are doing, God 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.760 didn't do this to me. People are flawed, you know 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.040 what I'm saying, But but but God is not. So 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.400 that's that keeps me like focused, like even though they're 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.120 wild'n out sleeping with whoever. You know what I'm saying, 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.680 steal the money from whatever. I know? God is still good. 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.560 Would you ever actually like be a preacher? Obviously you 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.840 did youth pastoring, but would you ever like, you know, 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:42.359 try to like be like yo, I'm a fucking like 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.320 leave music and do that like maybe when you're fifty. 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:47.680 I mean, you know, I won't. 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.600 Close the door to it because I'm a preacher now 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:49.960 for real? 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.159 Yeah, yeah, I mean you preach, hear music. Yeah, but 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.280 you're still an artist. You're not a preacher. So yeah, 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.760 you're dope artists who happens to you know like that. 0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:57.640 There's a line there. 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.640 It's like I know how to how to I guess 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.720 convinced people of the message at the concerts too. It's like, 0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.159 all righty to boost it up for the Lord. I mean, 0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:08.040 I'll use that voice. But you know what I'm saying, 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:11.360 I hype them up and contract. 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:13.600 He said, what anybody ever fight at your shows? 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:19.399 Somebody? Somebody somebody ran up on me on stage Christian 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:23.680 Rapper in Long Beach. No, not on Chris or Rapper. 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:24.359 Uh. 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.320 He tried to press me in the middle of my concert. 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:29.920 What where was your security? No? 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.479 But you but you know what. Security came like ten 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:33.960 seconds after. They probably thought I was a part of 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:35.200 the act because I'll be having a lot. 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:36.760 Of trying to press you in Long Beach. 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.959 Yeah, because like somebody was in the crowd like let 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.400 the little kids get on stage, and I was kind 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.560 of like dismissive a little bit like maybe later on, 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.640 later on. And then he was like, but this about 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.520 the young people, and he got on stage really try 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.280 to like you know in LA. They be like, you 0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:56.640 know what I'm saying, that's crazy, But security pulled up 0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:58.360 on them. They pulled them in the parking lot. He 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:02.280 look he started to like like exorcist type energy. He 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:06.120 was like manifested. I'm like, yo, what is going on? Wait? 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:07.680 The dude tried to press you started like he like 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.560 fell out and was like, oh I'm saved. 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.160 No, kind of like he had a demon in them. 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.720 That was great. So that that was the only like 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:21.680 situation that came close to like a confrontation physically. But yeah, 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.840 bro was on one. It could have been the ecstasy. 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.160 I don't know, have you ever. 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.320 Seen someone get exorcists exercisted? 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:29.920 What is that? 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:30.560 I said? 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:34.640 That exercise? I think they call it an exercise. You 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:39.920 know a month ago, what a month ago? I've seen 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.719 it and see me. Valley tried to see me, Valley, man, 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.600 they seen real calm. I might get a spot out there, 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.600 you see me value place. I went to Revelations Church 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:55.320 with Pastor Lovy and y'all, I'm telling you, people drive 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.320 from all over the country to go to this man's church. Yeah, 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.840 he's ministering to the this young lady and she's like 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.120 kind of like crying, like Pastor, I need help, I 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.760 need help, And he's being encouraging to her. Then all 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:08.720 of a sudden he stops talking to her and talk 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.200 to something that's inside her. He was like, come out 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.360 of her right now, and she went from to. 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:17.200 Get got the fuck up out. 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.440 Yeah, Like her eyes was like I'd have been out 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:23.880 and then like come out of her right now. Then 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.920 she like melted to the ground. I'm like, oh lord, 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:29.520 it was wild. 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.120 You stayed I'd have been all right, y'all. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.240 And that was the first one of the night. It 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.680 was like four of them, four x. It was like 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:43.280 four of them on a Thursday night. I'm good man, Yeah, 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.760 shout out to the prophet LOGI that's crazy. 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:51.120 Uh you gotta Obviously your album's out, Uh are you, like, 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:53.320 I know you got a show coming up in Orange County, 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.520 but are you doing like a national tour? What's going 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:56.160 on with you right now? 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.600 Yeah? We're playing Well, we just came off of a tour. 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:04.400 The first leg across like tour. We was in Canada, Seattle, Portland, 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.280 Las Vegas, Phoenix, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, you know what 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.720 I'm saying. But we're going to extend that joint and 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.720 really the next top for us is this Saturday. We 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.120 have our own festival every year in the Bay. It's 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.800 called glow Fest, and so this year is going to 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:20.600 be massive. Is glow really going to be there? 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:26.480 You know what I'm kidding, Glowrilla Big Glow got to 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:27.200 come to glow Fest. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:28.880 I ain't gonnaw. I was hot. I was hot when 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:30.800 she came out because I'm like, dang, like she got 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.960 that glow branding on lock, Like, oh yeah she got 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:33.640 it at first. 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.320 Our first yeah, glow Cubans and Grubans. 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.160 Our festival was called Glowcella at first. 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.000 Oh that's dope. And then you probably got hit with 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:41.800 that season desist. 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.320 Coachella did hit us yeah, of course they did. Yeah, 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:44.960 they hit us up. 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.160 Yeah, they don't play any type of cella, don't. 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.680 Exactly the word cella. Then like we own we own 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.800 the word chella, so you can't use this. And I 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.400 changed it to glow Fest and they still like came after. 0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.440 Us, but no, wait, came after you for glow Fest. 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.360 So it's it's it's a whole story, man. We changed 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.520 the name of the Instagram from Gloateella to glow Fest, 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:09.840 but we had some fly another year in different parts 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:14.520 of the country, but not like, uh, they shut down 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.640 our page because we still had flyers up from last 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:19.760 year that said Glowatella on it. You know what I'm saying. 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.640 We tried to make a new page and that one 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:27.560 was shut down too. Damn they were serious. But now 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.480 we're working with Coachella. Shout out the Golden Voice. 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.120 You know what I'm saying, tried the Golden Voice. 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:32.520 Yeah, yeah, are you? 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:34.640 Because I mean obviously that they I think they owned 0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:35.840 the Observatory. 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.360 Right yeah, yeah, yeah they do. 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:42.560 Yeah man, so did they do Coachella too? Damn them, motherfuckers. 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:48.720 Glow Fests are rich Golden Voice whatever. You know what 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:53.800 I meant guys are rich too speak prophetic, put it 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.800 in the air. Yeah yeah, but who else is dope? 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:58.440 That's a Christian rapper that I should check out. 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.400 Oh you to check out somebody named Hovey Hoby hit 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.600 a song with Sierra. He's sough, he's more overt, but 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:06.840 the vibes are there. 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:08.960 Is that the guy who subbed someone on your song? 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:11.680 No, not him, not him, he's too holy for that. 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:16.880 Uh and Holy Caleb Caleb Gordon Caleb Gordon's super Fire. Yeah, 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.520 probably the next to willly go mainstream with it. Who 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:22.400 who am I? 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:23.960 John? 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.760 Keith John? Keep going crazy here a real rapper, rapper. 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.280 We're working on the project together called the West Indies. 0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.600 You guys are doing like a joint album, like. 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:35.240 A joint joint EP with five songs. West Indies capitalized 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.520 on the on the movement and of course La Cree 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:43.240 any mineo Hey, Andy's Dope, Andy Hard And it is 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:44.440 like a perfect example. 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.280 Of a guy who's like, you know it, content is 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:50.880 his content, but like he just makes no music. You're 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.520 listening to it and you're like, oh, this guy's I 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.280 know where he stands on the religious side. 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.280 Yeah, he's talking about God. You know what I'm saying. 0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.160 So he's one of our goats, craning Andy, those are 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:03.600 our goats for sure. I mean, this is this a 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.120 whole movement. There's too many for me. 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.879 Kanye is not a Christian rapper. Goat No, they asked, 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.440 you know, he wasn't. He didn't. He win Best Christian 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:12.440 Album of the Year at the Grammy. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.160 He topped all the charts. He won Best Christian Album. 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.560 Hey Jesus Walks. It's a great record. 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.799 That joint is mount Rush Moore of Christmas song. 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.520 I mean, look, and he had hell of people singing 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.840 about Jesus that would not have otherwise sang about Jesus. 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.239 Yeah, but I think I think we can't. We can't 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.479 put him up there because like it was short lived. 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.800 Yeah, I mean, look, Kanye is a flawed man, but 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.879 he's you know, He's also got the biggest Christian rap 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:42.560 song of all time. 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:43.879 It's the biggest, But is it the best? 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:46.360 In my opinion? 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:51.279 Was that Oh yeah? The song? 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.000 Yeah, a song I don't know about No No, No, No, 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.800 No No Now. Jesus King album. He great beats shots 0:34:57.800 --> 0:34:59.320 and my guy books to be s murdered. The production 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.680 on there, but it's just Miss Moors Kanye album in 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.440 my opinion, just respectfully, what do you listen to non 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.440 Christian rap music in your spare time? Or do you 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.080 not want you try to shake that energy? 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:13.640 I'll make sure I don't. I don't dive in too 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.520 deep into the rabbit hole, you know what I'm saying. 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:16.840 But I'm definitely tapping. 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:18.800 Because that's probably rub off on you a little, like 0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:19.960 some of the energy I. 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.480 Mean, but it would be foolish for me to not 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:23.160 to not be tapped. 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.960 Like who you're listening to? That's like not like who 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:27.480 you bumping? Like who you like? What are you a 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:28.160 fan of? Right now? 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.360 Am I bumping? That's not? Oh? Can I say this 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.480 on air? I like listening to a lot of underground artists? 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.719 What's that? Because I know what underground is for my day, 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:40.279 which literally underground, like the underground now is like yo, 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:41.520 I like logic. 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:46.440 Like logic is definitely not underground and shout out to logic. 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.200 People think Corda is underground, right, Corday is like an 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:56.680 undergroundish artist, but he's still underground. No, But he's like 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.359 if he was in if it was ninety nine, he'd 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:04.640 be underground. Common was underground. No, Common don't have one plaque. 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:06.319 That's a crazy thing to say out loud. Common has 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.080 much more than one plaque. You gotta relax with that. 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:14.719 No Common was a underground rapper. I literally just told 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:16.359 him to his face. I said, thank you for changing 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:20.720 my life. You're an I never met a backpack underground 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:26.680 rap anyway. The new definition of underground is an underground playboy. 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.880 Cardi's underground to an extent. Is he a commercial artist? 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.319 Is he commercially successful? Of course not. Have you ever 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.000 turned on the fucking radio and her to playbook Cardis 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.960 song in the last five years? No, you haven't, because 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:42.239 he's not. He's he's an underground cult artist. No. But 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.200 has he ever had a number a top five solo 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:48.279 Billboard record, a top ten solo Billboard record? Of course not. 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:49.680 He hasn't. 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:55.879 No Roadwave broadwave is not underground. Yeah, but he's making 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.400 commercially palatable music. 0:36:58.520 --> 0:36:58.840 I don't know. 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.000 Okay, So who are listening to I. 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.000 Think it's crazy about how he's not underground, but he's 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.719 selling out arenas or he is underground something Rod waving 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:08.480 him like it's crazy. How you don't have to be 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:09.880 like mainstream, but you could. 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.920 Like gold Rod number one Records in urban radio, so 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:15.280 I wouldn't consider him underground. 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:20.080 But for me, underground for me is like Zoel Sama. 0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.799 You know what I'm saying. Yellow Hill Aten. 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.239 Hey, Yellow Hills put out some our boy TK who 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.319 did his Christian rap song that he has with La 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.799 Cra who's recorded and produced right here by our team 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:32.359 here for real. 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.400 Yes, yeah, men, Yellow Hill been talking we're gonna link up. 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.640 Yeah, y'all was Yellow Hill now he'd be cripp let 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.200 me say he'd be aggressive. 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.800 He really just like, Oh, come to l A. He 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:44.719 l A l A. 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:46.080 L A is not safe. 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:47.320 L A is not safe. 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:48.399 It's Yellow Hell. 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.160 I'm like, do I be going that hard for the Bay? Like? 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.880 Am I that Bay? How he is? L A? Is 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:54.560 that that brother? 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:56.160 LA person alive? 0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:02.200 Alive brother? And he'll let you know at all at 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:03.799 all it ain't safe for the toy. 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.680 Shout out to Jesus anyway, shouts shout to him and 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.360 look crazy. They got a dope song out produced. 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.160 Yeah that's hard. Yeah, No, Yellow He is underground Yeah 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.480 yeah for solely uh HPK get under ground. My favorite 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:17.600 rapper to this day is I Am. 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.000 Sue shot to Bay Area Pioneer. 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.920 Shout out to Sue, we got a record too. Oh 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:26.839 my god, he put me on a record. Uh he's 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.520 singing on that joint, you know, talking about. 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.120 What God is stuff him, shot out to Sue. 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.680 Man I was probably more more edgy on that than 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.320 he was. Yes, shout out time I got him anyone. 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.359 You know what I'm saying, But go crazy, though. 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.560 You should do it like I already know you already 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.080 did not like us freestyle, but you should do like 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.560 a not like us. But you're rapping like your God 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:46.520 to the devil. 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.720 Oh are you dirty devil? 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.440 Or do the euphoria version? That's why you bach ask Satan. 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.080 You know what I'm saying, Rapping to euphoria is more 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:58.279 difficult than not like us. 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.919 Do meet the Grahams, but about the devil. And you're 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:02.840 like wrapping from the perspective of God. 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.120 And you journey devil. Understand you got kicked out of heaven. 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.080 There you go with a nasal flow. 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.359 Yeah, throw a little playboard CARDI sliding in there. 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.880 Oh my god, playboy. There. There was a point to 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.239 where his music was just like Vibby. 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.319 Really now, when he was rocking with a sap and uh, 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.920 you know the the Cozy Tapes era and and dilet 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.440 and then things just the Red tape what was it 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:32.120 called the Red album? 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:35.080 The Red album? 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:36.480 Whatever it is? That ship was. 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.799 You know, seeing seeing what he did at Rolling Loud 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.640 really inspired us to really go harder in our movement. 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:43.200 What do you do? 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.120 He brought some guy looks like he was on Heroin, 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:48.640 the white guy who was always with him, The guy 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:50.480 looks like he's got a serious Heroin problem. 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.440 And then they were just like, yeah it was it 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.400 was yeah, it was all of that. And so I'm like, 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.879 if they could do seemingly satanic stuff on a high level, 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:00.360 I know it. 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.720 Was seemingly satanic, but are we for sure it was satanic? 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:03.160 To me? 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.239 They were just screaming and looking looking like they were 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:07.280 if I'm. 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:08.840 Not mistaken to think you had like some logos that 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:13.040 pointed to Satanism up Cross. Yeah, yeah, it's like, what's 0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.640 the if you're not as satan is, what's the point 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:18.359 of having that? You know what I'm saying? 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.560 So, is there is in his defense? Is there a 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:24.799 world in which and upside down Cross means anything else? 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:30.640 I just don't know. I'm not hip to the imagery. 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.360 You know, it's a possibility that it may be, but 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.600 from my understanding, it's it could be seen as blasphemy. 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:41.640 It could be seen as fo God. I think, you know, honey, 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:42.080 I think. 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.840 For the purpose of what they do, they just like 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:45.960 to put ship on shirts that they think looks cool. 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.759 And it could be for shock values. It could be 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.120 for shock value for sure. But you shocking the wrong people, boy. 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:52.560 Yeah, for sure? 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:54.440 Are you are? 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:55.520 You're just straight Christian? 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:55.920 Like? Is that? 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.680 Because there's so many different types of factions, you know, 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.560 it's like there's like Baptists, there's. 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.160 Like, yeah, like what what gang am I part of? 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.960 Which click do I associate with? It's I'm not a 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.000 part of any of them. So they like to call 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.719 that non denominational becausemination, yeah, those cliques are denominations. 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.319 Yeah, seven Day Adventis and I don't. 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.399 I don't subscribe to any of them, not to say 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.120 that I won't, but like, I never even understood why 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:23.880 we have to separate ourselves like that. It's like, you 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.080 believe in Jesus, you're a Christian er. 0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:28.680 I don't know the difference between any of them, Like, 0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.719 what's a Lutheran compared to a Baptist compared to a 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.440 seven day advantage compared. Now, I do know once you 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.480 start getting into you know, Hovah's witnesses, they got some 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.400 interesting takes and they're very aggressive on the door knocks. 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.360 Oh yeah, one hundred Jehovah's witnesses. 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:47.200 Don't play them in the Mormons. You know, they've got 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.600 Mormon fans, because that is a wild religion. 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:54.560 No, I do. Catholic Mormons and Adova witnesses. They believe 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.040 that only one hundred, one hundred thousand people get into heaven, 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.360 and so they're trying Mormons and Jehovah witnesses. 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.279 I think the Mormons, the Mormons believe some much more 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:05.200 crazier shit for the. 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:06.560 Rerect Yeah, I think. I think they believe in like 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:07.799 some aliens, and like I got. 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:09.600 Tons of Mormon homies. I grew up. I went to 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.839 high school in Mesa, Arizona, with tons of Mormons. Shout 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.480 to them, sweet people. Mitt Romney, you know, shout out 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.160 to him, whatever the fuck he's doing with his life. 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:17.880 You perform in Salt Lake City, yet. 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:19.920 No, I have not. 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:21.840 That's where you got all that. That's Mormon. 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:22.360 Mormon. 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:23.600 You got to pull up and when you get on 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.200 the mic, you gotta say choose the right, and they'll be. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.240 Like, yeah, like on some Republican stuff. 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.719 No, choose the right is CTR. All the Mormons have 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.719 the CTR rings, so they call it the right. 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:35.680 Choose the right. 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:37.640 I don't know what it means. I just know it's 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.600 something Mormons be saying, choose CTR. 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.080 If I say that it's not some Republican they're gonna 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:43.560 impress me. 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.400 No, no, they're not. They're gonna be like, fuck, yeah. 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:47.800 Damn, what you know about the right, homie. 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:49.239 You know what's crazy though? When I was a kid, 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.600 like all the Mormons, like, you know, because the Mormons 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.799 are like super super nice people. They're really sweet people. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:59.560 Obviously they're mostly conservative. Yeah, but all the Mormon kids 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.040 in school were the ones who were like doing the 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:06.680 real drugs. Like people got caught with heroin or pills. 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.920 It was the Mormon kids because I feel like they 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:12.680 was like rebelling against their crib because you know, at home, 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.919 may not allowed to drink caffeine, they can't watch the fuck. 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.600 It's real strict. It's real strict. And that's that's the 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:23.800 danger with religion. It's like if you heavily restrict the 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.640 kids at home, they're likely to just do any and 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.600 everything when they get a little taste of freedom. 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.319 Is it safe to say scientology is the wildest religion ever? 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.239 Well, I think wild wow may not be the right word. Good. 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.480 There's some wild stuff out there, but Scientology. 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.200 Out of all the big ones, out of all the big. 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:44.040 Ones, it's it's the most concerning for show. 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:49.120 It's pretty. It's pretty. Uh, it's pretty. It's interesting because obviously, 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:51.480 you know, whatever you feel about religion is what it is. 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.319 But when you see the people, like I've watched all 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:58.520 the documentaries about too Going Clear and all that, and yo, 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:01.879 the fact that they're able to get people to buy 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:02.640 into this shit. 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:03.359 Yeah yeah. 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:08.360 Like Hubbard was like, first of all, not very successful, 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:13.160 but has more published science fiction works than any author ever. 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:17.200 This dude's entire stick was he was a science fiction 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.440 author and then he created religion. 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.400 It's wild and people believe it. And they'd be on 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.960 some gang banging the power trip stuff too. 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:27.800 And they're like they got the mafia dog. They'd be 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.839 like taking fools out, bro. You know what I'm saying 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:30.319 for real? 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.640 And I think if you joined your high level of scientology, 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.160 like you can't you can't get out. 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:35.520 You can't get out, they won't let you out. 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.520 Bro. I was seen as one documentary. It was like 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.799 a testimoney about you know what they had doing dure. 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.160 This lady was like, and they made me clean the 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.239 sanctuary with my tongue, Like since had to mop the 0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:50.880 floor with her tongue, Like, what are we talking about? 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.799 Listen, with any religion, there's the dark side of it. 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:58.040 For sure, so it's not all terrible like that, but 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:00.239 science fiction novel, no. 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.760 No, the scientologies as well. And I honestly, the Mormons 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:04.480 are right behind him. They're like, hey, Joe, Hey, what 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:07.920 about us. We're crazy as fuck too. Shots to the 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.560 Mormon self. Anyway. Listen, man, you got a new album 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:14.279 out right now. Yeah, everybody go support it. You're doing 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.480 your thing. People can go buy tickets if you're in 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.480 the LA area, Orange County area for August thirty first, 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:19.719 and I sold out, Yeah, the Observer. 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.520 Toores, I sold out. Yeah, we're gonna pack that joint 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:22.000 out though. 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:24.920 And anything else you want to talk about before you 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:25.279 get out here. 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.760 Hey man, it's grateful to be here, big bro, like real. 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:29.400 Sorry if I offended you or got you in trouble? 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.920 Oh you good? Like I enjoyed this. I enjoyed this. 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.520 Yes, I don't you know, like why'd you sit down 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.160 with that atheist bastard in La? 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.759 You know, the the the over religious may say something, 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:43.719 but the folks who know what's gonna be like, yo, 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.719 you said with Blake cav Brother, you win it. 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.279 I do want to interview like one of these mega preachers, Hey, 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.839 which one, probably Joel because heel I feel like he's 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.840 a reasonable guy. I don't think he's like a psycho. No, 0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:59.920 I think he's I think he's an entrepreneur, which is 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:07.440 a problem, which is a yeah. But when you watch him, 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.400 you're like, oh, this guy's a talented, motivational speaker. I 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.000 understand why people like him. He's a likable guy. I 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:13.560 don't think he's I don't think he's a bad guy. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.759 But it depends on what you think it's a bad guy. 0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:17.680 Dang. 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.239 But I want to interview one of them, like T D. 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:23.640 Jakes or what you know who you should interview Mike Todd. 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:28.200 Mike Todd sounds like a senator Fromentalist and Michael Todd 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:31.719 he's a young pastor but he's viral all the time. Mike, 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:32.640 he's urban. 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.759 I want to interview that dude who they ran up 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:36.279 on him in church and they try to rob him, 0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.040 and then it came out that he was like ripping 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:39.319 off his in New York. 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:40.439 He in jail. 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:44.840 He's in jail. That's what I want to interview. And 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.319 he deserved to get robbed, for sure. He was robbing 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:47.760 his people. 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:49.680 I think he was stunned. He had like all the rings. 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:51.880 Oh my god. See that's the kind of ship that 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.160 makes me want to throw up because I'm like, man, 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.200 you got your people coming to your church struggling. You're 0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.320 asking him for money, but you out here dressed like 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.799 magic don Juan on Bro Like you know what I'm saying. 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:03.640 I think he was like putting sam on people for 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.400 not giving him money or something like that. Like do 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:06.719 you that? 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:08.000 Do you do the Tide? 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:14.040 I'll tied for sure, Yeah, roll Tide. It'd be tough sometimes, 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:15.080 but I'm blessed. 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.200 What are you supposed to tie? What's the percentage of 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:17.879 the Tide tithe? 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.360 There's a ten percent ten percent of what you get in. 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:22.320 Do you know? 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.560 Like which church you're tithing is a different? 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.759 No, no, I'll give it to the church that I 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.000 go to. Okay, yeah, for sure. Nice And it's like, 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:31.560 even if you don't look at the Bible, like, this 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.440 is a practical way to support what supports you. You 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:36.640 know what I'm saying, that's right. 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:38.279 Any charity stuff you're doing. 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:43.000 Oh charity. Not yet. We're trying to say something up though. 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.239 We're gonna do something called christ Like Christmas this year, 0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:47.320 just giving away pieces of our brand. We have a 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:51.480 clothing line called christ Like Collection. Is this your Oh yeah, 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:51.960 one of them? 0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:54.160 Oh that's fire. You know when you wear that hat, 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.400 you give me country vibes, brown vibes. 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:02.040 Hey man, Pittsburg is not It's not a big city's 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.279 locy kind of country, even though is it in the Bay. 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:06.200 But we got cows. 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:08.360 I didn't even know that existed. 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:10.520 We got crops. Yeah. 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.080 As you know, there's side shows and there's that's Oakland 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:15.280 Richmond side shows. 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:19.920 Hose and broken windows and broken windows. We was going 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:21.719 to do our festival in Oakland at the Fox Theater. 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.040 Would have been a bad play. Yeah, you don't want 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:25.600 to do that. You know, all them Christians going out 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:26.200 there getting. 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.560 Fucking robbed, getting robbed, all of them. 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.920 No, not like face to face rob, but like come 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.520 back outside after a great night watching Miles Minnick and 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.920 all of our windows are busted, and my work laptop's missing. 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.319 And that happened. That happened in downtown LA, And now 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:39.799 I got to go. 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:41.200 To the mission and try to find it because some 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:42.800 Mexican dude selling it on the corner. 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.400 It's a yeah, shout out to the bippers man. 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.239 The bippers be pipping man. And in La it's starting 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.800 to come over here. Yeah, the culture is keeping bipping 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:53.879 out there. Bru. We don't need it here. We came 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:55.600 out here for a change, for sure. 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.040 Man, my car digger breaking in through four times in 0:48:58.080 --> 0:48:59.680 Long Beach where I live four times. 0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:02.440 Well, I mean you should probably stop leaving it in 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:02.680 your car. 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:04.319 Please do better. Nothing to be in there. 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:05.840 Well leave your windows. 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:06.319 I'm try. 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.920 No, you're right when you down trunk open, that's how 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:09.440 you got to do it. 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.160 Oh and for the Tesla, the front got to be up. 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:13.440 The front got to be up at miles minute. I 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:15.279 appreciate you, brother, You all right? No, man, there it 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:15.960 is fire