Speaker 1: It was good. Everybody, some boy, Miles Minic, it takes
Speaker 1: me out. On the Bootleg Cab Podcast, Let's get it.
Speaker 2: All right man. Bootleg Cab Podcast Special guests in here
Speaker 2: Miles Minic, Welcome, welcome.
Speaker 1: Well, it's good to be here, man, Let's get to it.
Speaker 2: Yes. So, for people who are not familiar with who
Speaker 2: you are, you're from the Bay Area, Yes, sir. And
Speaker 2: would you consider yourself a quote unquote Christian rapper?
Speaker 1: A lot of people would. Yeah. I do music about
Speaker 1: my life and I live my life for the Lord.
Speaker 2: So how long have you making music?
Speaker 1: Making music all together? Maybe like ten years? Doing it
Speaker 1: professionally like five and.
Speaker 2: The whole time is your like message in the same No.
Speaker 1: No, for surely not.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a Bay like doing like you know,
Speaker 1: the mob music, the gangster rap, like rolling with like
Speaker 1: DV to General, DSB, click like all of them, with
Speaker 1: that like get active movement like twenty ten, so.
Speaker 2: You were like your content was much more aggressive.
Speaker 1: Oh for surely yeah. Yeah yeah, but like around twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I found I found
Speaker 1: the Lord and eventually like surrounding my music over it
Speaker 1: to them you know what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 2: Did you notice, like, well that was a long time ago. Fuck,
Speaker 2: that's I'm sorry. I'm gonna cuss a lot. You please
Speaker 2: excuse me, because I can't control it around anyone's children either.
Speaker 2: Sometimes my friends bring the kids around. I'll just be
Speaker 2: talking and they'd be like yo, and I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: don't bring your fucking kid around me. Then respectfully, anyway,
Speaker 2: with that being said, I mean you're like, it's a
Speaker 2: long twenty ten and now it's fourteen years. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know it didn't happen overnight for you.
Speaker 1: Well, definitely not. And it's like when I became a Christian,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if doing music was like acceptable the
Speaker 1: way I was doing it, Like I was in the
Speaker 1: streets doing aggressive music, and when I thought about doing
Speaker 1: that for God, I didn't think that that was acceptable.
Speaker 1: And so it took me a minute to get back
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: So you like took a break from so yeah, and
Speaker 2: then you like kind of were like, all right, now
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kind of make my music about positivity and yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was like when I started really tapping too.
Speaker 1: It taking serious was the beginning of twenty eighteen. So
Speaker 1: between twenty eleven twenty eighteen, I'm just like just trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out, trying to grow in my character,
Speaker 1: integrity and saying, trying to really just become a man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's interesting because I feel like if
Speaker 2: someone says they're a Christian rapper, they automatically are looked
Speaker 2: at with a certain I would say negative stigma and
Speaker 2: hip hop. Would you say that's the case.
Speaker 1: I would say maybe in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 1: But for me, that really hasn't been a case, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And maybe because of the sound that I have and
Speaker 1: how I look, whatever the case may be, like, and
Speaker 1: maybe because I'm authentically like from.
Speaker 2: Here right, I mean, listen, you have I told I
Speaker 2: told you this off. So I was like, Bro, your
Speaker 2: shit is like high fiass Christian music. It's like music
Speaker 2: you geld bit of carto and then repent after card.
Speaker 1: To after Yo. Hey, I'll take that, yeah, as long
Speaker 1: as they were apinted.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, you know, because because for me, it's
Speaker 2: like there's guys like Shouts of Lacree, who's obviously had
Speaker 2: a major deal with Atlantic for I think it was
Speaker 2: Atlantic Colombia. I think Combia. Yeah, but he was on
Speaker 2: a major label. I don't know if he still is
Speaker 2: or not. I don't want to speak about the situation,
Speaker 2: but obviously very successful artist. I feel like Lacree was
Speaker 2: like he was dope, but he happened to be a
Speaker 2: Christian rapper. And I kind of feel like that's the
Speaker 2: key because there's guys who like a quote unquote Christian rappers,
Speaker 2: but their music is very it's not very palatable.
Speaker 1: Like for like a general audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I feel like I pressed play on your
Speaker 2: ship and I was like, oh, this is just like
Speaker 2: if I didn't know that, like this is just some
Speaker 2: shit to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like once you realize is Christian, it's too late,
Speaker 1: like you already like it, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of like the method like putting
Speaker 1: the the medicine and the food.
Speaker 2: Is there any uh? Because obviously is there like a
Speaker 2: Christian rap world that you have to kind of penetrate
Speaker 2: and get into, Like are there? Like I just do
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, there's definitely a world.
Speaker 2: Are there Christian rap blogs and shit?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Like what's the Christian rap academics?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Ooh, Christian Rap Academics. Oh okay, proper exl okay.
Speaker 1: So that's a popular instagram for Christian rap rap Zilla,
Speaker 1: you got ch Promotions. Anda stands for Christian hip Hop
Speaker 1: and there's like a plethoro though.
Speaker 2: So there's like tons of Christian hip hop artists that
Speaker 2: they don't even know there is. It's just the world.
Speaker 2: I'm not hip too whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It's a subgenre of hip hop, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But people are selling out shows.
Speaker 2: No, I saw you do it. Listen. It is not
Speaker 2: easy to sell. There's so many artists that could not
Speaker 2: sell out a quarter of the Novo let alone the
Speaker 2: full thing. So that's very, very impressive. And you got
Speaker 2: to show coming up to the Observatory too in August.
Speaker 1: Right, August thirty first yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like you're doing like big venues, Like this
Speaker 2: is like a movement that you're doing. So I think
Speaker 2: it's dope. Like kudos to you, ma because doing it
Speaker 2: your way.
Speaker 1: Oh much, love, bro, It's a blessing. You know. I
Speaker 1: used to think that I had to rap about a
Speaker 1: certain thing a certain way to make any kind of
Speaker 1: progress or be successful. But it's like I'm just leaning
Speaker 1: to what I feel like is right.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, I always
Speaker 2: tell people if you got a niche, and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that, like you being a Christian is a niche
Speaker 2: because this is your life, like it's who you are, right,
Speaker 2: But in hip hop it's a niche. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 2: like you know, with any sort of art form, I
Speaker 2: feel like, lean into your niche because it's tribe, yeah
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And we I feel like I tried found
Speaker 1: us though, Like we just started putting on music. Then
Speaker 1: I put out a song called Glow and then our
Speaker 1: followers would just like organically call my team like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at the Glow Team. Look at the glowers. It's
Speaker 1: not okay, glow Nation. They'll call them glow Nation. And
Speaker 1: then I grew into something bigger than we can imagine.
Speaker 1: You feel me. Now we got Glow Festival.
Speaker 2: So is that your like your fan base, like your beehive,
Speaker 2: my behive, glow Nation is your behive?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my my Bobby Socks is my rap pack. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So who was your who were your favorite rappers? Just
Speaker 2: like coming up like that, you obviously being from the
Speaker 2: Bay like, who are some guys who like influenced you?
Speaker 2: Who you would take.
Speaker 1: The main one for surely forty forty my getto report Card.
Speaker 1: That album definitely shaped my childhood. You know. Of course
Speaker 1: Mac dre as well. The wolf Pack got my bands a.
Speaker 2: One of the most influential rap groups ever that gets
Speaker 2: no credit.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then I feel like what came out of
Speaker 1: the wolf Pack is like HBK Gang so.
Speaker 2: And I would like to point out that a lot
Speaker 2: of those beat that the Packs were rapping on us
Speaker 2: sounded a lot like Mustard and League of Stars.
Speaker 1: That came a little I wasn't gonna say, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, must love, must love to muster to everybody.
Speaker 2: No, no, but I'm just letting you like that the
Speaker 2: Bay had a little they had some influence on everybody.
Speaker 2: I just had this conversation yesday. I'm like, Yo, the
Speaker 2: Bay and Texas get no love when it comes to
Speaker 2: who they influenced, Like the Bays influenced everybody and the
Speaker 2: Baby and always forgotten. We know it's no, yeah, definitely
Speaker 2: know because y'all let everybody know. Trust me, you meet
Speaker 2: somebody from the Bank, they'll tell you.
Speaker 1: We got this big chip on our shoulder. You feel me.
Speaker 2: But people from the Bear are like people who do CrossFit.
Speaker 2: They won't stop telling you about that. Yeah we get it,
Speaker 2: we get yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like it's the culture. We're proud of it.
Speaker 1: And if nobody gonna talk about it, were gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. Got you.
Speaker 2: Have you worked with the obviously you're making noise. Have
Speaker 2: you worked with any of the other up and coming
Speaker 2: art like a guy like Pilo or like you know,
Speaker 2: some of the guys who are making John Mexican. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you would you work with somebody if
Speaker 2: they are not Let's ask that, if they're not aligned
Speaker 2: with you spiritually, values wise, would you work with someone?
Speaker 1: And we was talking about this yesterday on ruse Line.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually about to get in the studio with Pilow,
Speaker 1: coming up song. We're gonna make some slaps. I'm in
Speaker 1: a studio with l Russell in two days. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And these aren't necessarily Christian artists.
Speaker 2: He is not a Christian, you know, and had some nights.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But that don't mean we
Speaker 1: can't make a song that is palatable for both of
Speaker 1: our audiences that doesn't come.
Speaker 2: You'll work with Yeah, as long as it's not some
Speaker 2: crazy as long as than I. You're not gonna work
Speaker 2: with white boy Cardi though.
Speaker 1: I mean now me feel me like the symbolism and stuff,
Speaker 1: the people getting possessed during his concerts, we can have
Speaker 1: to work on that.
Speaker 2: I've been I've been to a Cardi show and very
Speaker 2: very some vampire member me and it's there and I
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck's happening.
Speaker 1: Like some vampires.
Speaker 2: No, I just didn't. Dude, was like a seance on stage,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, that was the only time
Speaker 2: in hip hop and like, you know, I'll be around
Speaker 2: some young young ass ship. But if the Cardi ship
Speaker 2: had rolled them loud. Yeah, seeing all these it was
Speaker 2: this is in Miami, you seeing all these dusty ass,
Speaker 2: muddy white kids with beat up forces just fucking just
Speaker 2: like it was just like, I'm like this, I don't
Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, It's the only hip hop moment in
Speaker 2: my life where I looked up and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. Let's go back to the trailer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't really understand it either, you know,
Speaker 1: shout out to him. Yeah, big, big shout out. Soon
Speaker 1: he got a movement behind him, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So maybe one day we could we could top it
Speaker 1: up or something.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like as somebody who is a Christian
Speaker 2: do you feel because I feel like nowadays a lot
Speaker 2: of artists they have like cult like followings, and I
Speaker 2: feel like there's a lot of kids who kind of
Speaker 2: replace like, you know, when I was growing up, but
Speaker 2: my parents are growing up. I feel like religion was
Speaker 2: a lot more like pushed upon kids and you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But nowadays it feels like like artists
Speaker 2: and celebrities and are kind of like the new religion
Speaker 2: for a lot of these kids.
Speaker 1: Do you Yeah, Yeah, Well, so like your question is like,
Speaker 1: how do I feel about Yeah, Like, well, Christianity not
Speaker 1: being the norm as it was before. I mean, this generation,
Speaker 1: they're heavily influenced by what they see on their phones
Speaker 1: or like the artists of today. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: grateful that I found something that's more more meaningful to me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, That kid, that's that lasts
Speaker 1: longer than the hype of an artist, You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So I'm just trying to encourage people like, fine, fine,
Speaker 1: find your your peace, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: my piece is found in Jesus.
Speaker 2: So do you care like to have non religious people
Speaker 2: like come to your party? Like do you want do
Speaker 2: you want those people to like be fans?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Or is it like, hey, I got the show because
Speaker 2: what's the name of your album? It's like Cali Christ.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Christ like California. So it's like me like if I
Speaker 2: didn't know, like if DJHA didn't put me up on
Speaker 2: you or Ace didn't call me, if someone sent me
Speaker 2: an album and said Christ like California as somebody's gotta
Speaker 2: tell you, I'd have been like, well, this shit ain't
Speaker 2: for me. I wouldn't even a press play. Now I
Speaker 2: pressed play and I was like, oh, this ship is fire,
Speaker 2: Like this shit is dope. But it's like I almost
Speaker 2: feel it's almost like when Kanye put out Jesus King.
Speaker 2: It was my least favorite Kanye album because I felt
Speaker 2: like he was pushing something on me and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: this ain't for me. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: feel like listening to your music, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: you're overly like slapping people upside the head with yeah,
Speaker 2: but what uh? But the title is the title is
Speaker 2: like it's going to like scare some people off before
Speaker 2: they even are able to give you a chance.
Speaker 1: I can feel that. I can feel that.
Speaker 2: I'm not to say that like you care or you
Speaker 2: should care because your this is your mission. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just from my perspective, I'm like, well, me in this
Speaker 2: fool like he's he's he's Jewish. He just did a
Speaker 2: he just did a twenty three and me and found
Speaker 2: out he's thirty percent Jewish. Yes, he just did the test.
Speaker 2: He's Jewish and Mexican straight up. His his his grandma
Speaker 2: cheated on his grandpa with the Jewish neighbor. We found
Speaker 2: all that. We literally found this all out in the
Speaker 2: last twelve months. My producer did one of the DNA
Speaker 2: tests for people who can't see him on camera. Now
Speaker 2: he does. I told him he's a leading I told
Speaker 2: him he's a leaning to it. I said, got you
Speaker 2: own it, it's who you are. You got to go
Speaker 2: to the bable shop anyway. But I was just saying
Speaker 2: like in terms of like we're hip hop fans. So
Speaker 2: when I hear when I heard your music, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this shit is dope. But I think that like the
Speaker 2: like you like we said the title. If I was
Speaker 2: just some normal rap fan, I might be like, man,
Speaker 2: that's some preachy ash Christian shit, like, yeah, how do
Speaker 2: you find the because you're obviously what you're doing is
Speaker 2: working for you. That's why I'm like, do you care that?
Speaker 2: Like that might push normal hip hop fans away or
Speaker 2: maybe just turn them off from like trying to discover
Speaker 2: what you got.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I could. I could consider the titles more,
Speaker 1: but I'm more so think about them when i'm making
Speaker 1: the music more so than i'm titling the song right,
Speaker 1: Like with a song like boosted Up, Like that's a
Speaker 1: song about God to going harder in your faith. But
Speaker 1: when you put that thing on, you get sneeze to it,
Speaker 1: squabble to it, you can go crazy to it, and
Speaker 1: it's not going to scare them away. And for christ
Speaker 1: like California the album, really that was me like blending
Speaker 1: my faith with the culture. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna get this cross like message, but with
Speaker 1: the California sounds stop no, it sound great. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it bro, But yeah, man, we're just trying to
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out as we go. No, I
Speaker 1: mean it's working man grateful.
Speaker 2: Do they have any Christian rap beefs happening? You know?
Speaker 1: Yes there is, yes, wow, yes, but a lot of
Speaker 1: it is like like on the low, like.
Speaker 2: On the under, people hating on the low.
Speaker 1: On the under you'll be surprised, like how many unreleased
Speaker 1: Christian disc songs you will.
Speaker 2: Find it's very Unchristian like.
Speaker 1: No for really, that's why they don't put it out. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's why they don't release it.
Speaker 2: You and the Craig got beef. It started the Kendrick verse.
Speaker 2: Drake things sounds. I know, they're not like us freestyle.
Speaker 1: Right, so did so did uh? So.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious here because Christian rappers beefing with each
Speaker 2: other just feels it just feels it feels like an oxymoron.
Speaker 1: But you know what people have, You know what, people
Speaker 1: tend to use my songs to subliminately dis other people
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 2: Oh so you have songs with features where other guys.
Speaker 1: Like, why you gotta do that? All by soul? Like
Speaker 1: they don't drop names, but it's like you're clearly talking
Speaker 1: about so and so on my song.
Speaker 2: It's like, when you hear that, do you send them
Speaker 2: a text and say ww JD. Jesus wouldn't diss somebody
Speaker 2: on my song, don't sub somebody on my shit?
Speaker 1: Hey hey, but but you will be told Jesus was
Speaker 1: low key dissing a lot of people in a Bible.
Speaker 1: Satan for sure, if you look at it, you don't
Speaker 1: say the overreligious folks.
Speaker 2: Here was smoke for Satan and the overreligious folks.
Speaker 1: And the over religious.
Speaker 2: Do you think overreligious people are a problem?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What would you just find is overreligious?
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, I think I think. I think it's a
Speaker 1: good thing to really break down. So an example of
Speaker 1: somebody being overreligious is, let's say the protesters that come
Speaker 1: to my events. We get protested a lot by certain
Speaker 1: religious groups that say what you're doing you satanic? Is demonic.
Speaker 1: God doesn't approve trust me.
Speaker 2: I walk by them all the time. I go to
Speaker 2: wrestling shows, and these guys are they got fucking signs
Speaker 2: and megaphones screaming at me, and I'm just like dude,
Speaker 2: and it's like, I think this is how like you're
Speaker 2: gonna like? This is not how it's done, buddy.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's like I respect like
Speaker 1: the heart behind it. They may think they're doing the
Speaker 1: right thing, but like, Bro, that's that's not how you.
Speaker 1: You're not going to reach me that way. You're not
Speaker 1: going to get me to change that way. Even if
Speaker 1: I felt like I wanted to change off for what
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's not going to happen through that sit
Speaker 1: down with me. Yeah, send me a DMR, talk to
Speaker 1: somebody that.
Speaker 2: I mean, but you're putting out great music. That's about.
Speaker 1: I think. I think what they want from me is
Speaker 1: the overtness that maybe other artists offer.
Speaker 2: Tell them to go protest Sexy Red not you ship bro. Bro.
Speaker 1: We did an event in downtown LA called Glovember. There
Speaker 1: was a rave next.
Speaker 2: Door to our event, but there are protesting you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, if you want to come against darkness, right,
Speaker 1: go next door.
Speaker 2: Everyone's on ecstasy next door.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. Yeah, So I don't know that.
Speaker 1: To me, that's that's overreligious. But we just try to
Speaker 1: We try to really live for the Lord and just
Speaker 1: be ourselves.
Speaker 2: What was what? What? What kind of was the catalyst
Speaker 2: to you finding Christ? And you know giving your life. Hey,
Speaker 2: it's a good hazus out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Two two two things, two things. One day when
Speaker 1: I was sixteen years old, it was a Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: I was smoking weed heavy in the middle of a
Speaker 1: smoking session. Good Wednesday, Yeah, good good, good weed Wednesday.
Speaker 1: My friend was like, hey, Miles, bro, we should go
Speaker 1: to church. I'm like, go to church. Hi like Hi,
Speaker 1: talking about great time, were talking about go to church.
Speaker 1: It's like, Bro, they got the girls of the youth group.
Speaker 1: Bro go crazy, like, let's tap in, let's really go
Speaker 1: uh high out some girls. And so we went. But
Speaker 1: the youth group was closed that night, and so we
Speaker 1: went into the main the main sanctuary with all the
Speaker 1: older people. So we went in there and then me
Speaker 1: never been in a church before. I've never been a
Speaker 1: church person. I don't know on the music, I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about it. But in the service, I was
Speaker 1: like captivated.
Speaker 2: What kind of church was this? Was this a black church?
Speaker 1: Black church? I was captivated. Then at the end of
Speaker 1: the message, the pastor that was called an altar call,
Speaker 1: where you called somebody to the front they want to
Speaker 1: accept the Lord. And when I went to the front,
Speaker 1: me being the only one that went to the front.
Speaker 1: It's like I was uncontrollably like crying my eyes out,
Speaker 1: and I literally felt something I never felt before. It
Speaker 1: was like a warmth and embrace, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so that wasn't the weed, Brother, wasn't the weed.
Speaker 1: It felt It felt like God took way one high
Speaker 1: and gave me annoying that night.
Speaker 2: Just so we're clear, the night you accepted God, you
Speaker 2: were high.
Speaker 1: That's great, yeah, yeah, but but I was still like
Speaker 1: like on the fence about it, even even with that moment.
Speaker 1: But two years after that, I was like in a
Speaker 1: tug of war for my soul. Real Like my friends
Speaker 1: in the streets was like Myles bro, like, why are
Speaker 1: you switching up? Then my girlfriend at the time, who's
Speaker 1: not my wife, she was like, let's go to church morrow.
Speaker 1: Let's really like try to get better with this. And
Speaker 1: so on a Saturday night, I'm like, God, if you're real,
Speaker 1: I need you to speak to me in church tomorrow
Speaker 1: if you're real. If not, then I'll just live my
Speaker 1: own life. I went to Hurst the next day. Out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, the guest speaker from Atlanta seize me in
Speaker 1: the back. He said, you young man, come here, calls
Speaker 1: me out of a whole church, a whole crowded church.
Speaker 1: I came to the front. He was like, young man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in your life, but
Speaker 1: I feel like your call to do music for God.
Speaker 1: God's gonna use you on social media. God's going to
Speaker 1: change your life and all of these things. Right, tell
Speaker 1: me things about myself. I didn't never talk nobody. He
Speaker 1: didn't know I was struggling. He didn't know who He
Speaker 1: didn't know who I was.
Speaker 2: Who was this guy?
Speaker 1: His name is Apostle Hardened. I never met him, No,
Speaker 1: no James Harden, but told me that and then that
Speaker 1: that was like okay, like I feel like.
Speaker 2: This is to Apostle Harden. That guy he's on his ship.
Speaker 1: Hey red no cap damn. He was tapped in.
Speaker 2: So he was just like he kind of just like
Speaker 2: showed you the way, like, oh, this is this is
Speaker 2: the right path I need to go on.
Speaker 1: I feel like God answered my prayer through him calling
Speaker 1: me out to the front.
Speaker 2: That's nah, I mean I get it. That shit's crazy.
Speaker 2: They asked him before and then he called out the
Speaker 2: music and the social media and wild and at that
Speaker 2: so what year, how long ago?
Speaker 1: Is this rather that I was October fourteenth, twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, that was twenty twelve. Like I didn't fully
Speaker 1: dive into the music at that time, but that's when
Speaker 1: I knew eventually.
Speaker 2: So from twenty twelve to like twenty eighteen, what are
Speaker 2: you doing to make money? You just got a regular job?
Speaker 2: What are you So?
Speaker 1: I was working at a movie theater at that time,
Speaker 1: My Cinemas in Pittsburgh. Then I was working at Willis
Speaker 1: Fargo for like four years, then Travis Credit Union.
Speaker 2: So you were at the bank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a little banker.
Speaker 2: You're good with math, yeah, but I hated it. I
Speaker 2: did not like yo when you guys would like, my
Speaker 2: friend manages bank and every time there's like sixty dollars missing.
Speaker 2: She's the manager, so she has to go through the
Speaker 2: entire day. Sometimes she'll be at the bank until like
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock at night trying to track down we're sixty.
Speaker 1: Dollars Truma, bro don't even And that's how I got
Speaker 1: That's how I got fired from the bank twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Well, it could be it could be like that, but
Speaker 2: but it's like if you can't find where the money's
Speaker 2: missing it's on you, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's like somebody goes to the bank and
Speaker 2: they and you give them too much money. That's they're
Speaker 2: not gonna give it back to you.
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes but most of the time of course not
Speaker 1: you would give it back. Presley's working in the hood.
Speaker 1: We worked in Antioch. Yeah, all kinds of people.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Woody rest in peace. Big tones from
Speaker 2: antioc Oh yeah, yeah, Hey, Simbuls from Antioch.
Speaker 1: Yes he is. Yeah, that long Tree Deer Valley legend
Speaker 1: him a young Kurt was really putting on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I just so you were you were
Speaker 2: just doing the normal shit. So you start taking music
Speaker 2: series again at twenty eighteen, yep, yep for Shelly.
Speaker 1: So how many I was a youth pastor too during
Speaker 1: the time I was working at the bank, so I'm
Speaker 1: at the charge like he's young people and stuff too.
Speaker 2: How many?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Like, how long before you actually started to like catch
Speaker 2: real track should doing this new style of music and
Speaker 2: you were like, oh, this is gonna work, like this
Speaker 2: might work out, like immediately immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, immediately. It's been it's been a slow burn, but
Speaker 1: I had any immediate spark.
Speaker 2: Well, you're also pretty talented. So like a lot of
Speaker 2: Christian rappers aren't that talented, you know, from what I've heard,
Speaker 2: at least, the only one I can point at is
Speaker 2: L Craze.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on some dope ones.
Speaker 2: Do you remember a guy named Carmen back in the
Speaker 2: day who used to sing on like Channel Towell, on
Speaker 2: like the Christian TV. His name was Carmen Carmen, I
Speaker 2: don't know, Oh my god. So I been to black
Speaker 2: churches many times as my best friends, like very religious,
Speaker 2: grew up with him, would go to church with him.
Speaker 2: And every time I'd be like the only white kid
Speaker 2: and that motherfucker and I feel like the preacher would
Speaker 2: be looking right at me, and I just feel and
Speaker 2: I have all these older black ladies dancing and losing
Speaker 2: their shit. Yeah, sitting there just shook, like, man, why
Speaker 2: do I spend on that at this one's house this weekend?
Speaker 2: But there was this but he used to listened to
Speaker 2: Christian music at his house. There's a guy named Carmen,
Speaker 2: and then obviously Kirk Franklin, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kirk still going crazy to this day.
Speaker 2: Apply stunt double.
Speaker 1: As plies five.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, yeah, plies is history. Yeah, it could
Speaker 2: be plies that. Yeah, but no, I mean, like, obviously
Speaker 2: your shit is actually dope, so like it's immediately you
Speaker 2: saw that it was going to work.
Speaker 1: Immediately, I felt like, you know, it was not for
Speaker 1: me to dive into it. So I was doing everything
Speaker 1: that I could to really try to pop off and
Speaker 1: gain some traction. So I was dropping freestyle videos, was
Speaker 1: going kind of crazy on Instagram. But I was also
Speaker 1: doing every kind of show I could, community show, church show,
Speaker 1: even like these awards ceremonies for rappers in the Bay
Speaker 1: and so this one is called the non Quota Awards
Speaker 1: for the Not Too five area code in Pittsburgh. That
Speaker 1: happened in twenty eighteen. I was the only Christian rapper
Speaker 1: a part of the show. And in the middle of
Speaker 1: my set, while I'm performing, the music cuts out right
Speaker 1: as it cuts out. Instead of me panicking being pissed
Speaker 1: at the sound man, I just frezed out a hook.
Speaker 1: Devil want to run up on me? It's bad. Somebody
Speaker 1: recorded it. It went viral on Facebook. The whole theater
Speaker 1: went dumb to that joint. And that was my first
Speaker 1: song that really like in California, That's do Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, kind of crazy. Yeah, So that that
Speaker 1: like had my schedule going nuts. Like my my tour
Speaker 1: schedule was like an engine scroll you have to.
Speaker 2: Like so you're doing like concerts, you're doing like church stuff.
Speaker 1: Like all of the above. Like so I was throwing
Speaker 1: my own shows, but primarily I was getting booked at
Speaker 1: conferences at churches and youth groups and all of that.
Speaker 1: But it would be lit and I would post the
Speaker 1: footage and it's like, you couldn't really tell it's a church.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's a lit concert, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I gotta ask you because I, uh, I was
Speaker 2: just listening to a podcast about uh about religion a
Speaker 2: little bit. But they were talking about Joe Olstein and
Speaker 2: what's the guy with the evil eyes who got the
Speaker 2: private jet? Oh uh, the white dude.
Speaker 1: No, not Kraftlow, it's the white dude.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I know he's talking about that, ye like a real
Speaker 1: like he was like Tyler Perry made it so cheap
Speaker 1: for me. I had to buy it.
Speaker 2: I had to buy Yeah, he's he's he's the richest
Speaker 2: pastor in the world right now, just for people know
Speaker 2: he's worth like one hundred million dollars. He's more rich
Speaker 2: than Joelstein, like he's.
Speaker 1: Paid because he's like internationally influenced.
Speaker 2: Correct anyway, So you know, my main gripe with religion
Speaker 2: in general is the I feel like it is easily
Speaker 2: manipulated to control poor people. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole entire like idea of being a pastor or
Speaker 2: being like a preacher, being somebody who's like a man
Speaker 2: of God is like to be selfless. That should be
Speaker 2: the idea, you know what I mean. And you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like at times we'll see like these preachers
Speaker 2: who will fully take advantage of the gig of having
Speaker 2: a non non taxable entity that they're a part of, yes,
Speaker 2: and you know they use it for their benefit, and
Speaker 2: you know it is what it is. But you know,
Speaker 2: me and my boy James are just talking and he
Speaker 2: was like, it's crazy because he grew up in the church,
Speaker 2: and he was like, he's a stand up comedian. He's like,
Speaker 2: being a preacher is kind of like being a stand
Speaker 2: up comedian. He's like, because you gotta you gotta kind
Speaker 2: of like spit your shit.
Speaker 1: You gotta captivate them.
Speaker 2: And then you gotta hopefully you get your own church,
Speaker 2: and then otherwise people are doing like there's preachers who
Speaker 2: are preaching in like a room like this with chairs
Speaker 2: and then you know, eventually they get their own church.
Speaker 2: He's like, the thing is is like I just feel
Speaker 2: like it's crazy. If like a preacher comes to preach
Speaker 2: in like a two thousand dollars suit and then goes
Speaker 2: and jumps in like a S five hundred.
Speaker 1: They're likely and their church is falling apart.
Speaker 2: It ain't even that. It's like, yo, like, isn't that
Speaker 2: kind of like not what God would want? Or I'm crazy?
Speaker 2: Like Joel Olstein is so rich and my and this
Speaker 2: podcast I was listening to was like Joe Olstein such
Speaker 2: a great motivational speaker that if he just stepped away
Speaker 2: from being a quote unquote preacher and was a motivational
Speaker 2: speaker who happened to be Christian, people would look at
Speaker 2: him in like a lot more like a positive way
Speaker 2: because he's like very talented. He's a talented a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys very uplifting talented guys. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, like it's the same guy who like initially
Speaker 2: tried to prevent people from sheltering at his church until
Speaker 2: he got called out for and then he was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, But that's probably my biggest gripe
Speaker 2: with like commercial Christianity is like a lot of the
Speaker 2: quote unquote like faces of it to me or like
Speaker 2: based on my knowledge of Christianity not very christ like.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I've definitely, I've definitely seen what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Of course is like a well known thing as some
Speaker 1: pastors may have been exposed for those kind of things.
Speaker 1: Or I've been at churches to where the doorknobs are missing,
Speaker 1: but you have a Bentley, the paint is falling off
Speaker 1: of the walls, but you got the friend gatas on.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of stuff din't add up for.
Speaker 2: Me, none of that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but for me early on, it's like I had
Speaker 1: to realize, like it would be unhealthy for me to
Speaker 1: let Christians take me away from Christ. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, regardless of what they are doing, God
Speaker 1: didn't do this to me. People are flawed, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But but but God is not. So
Speaker 1: that's that keeps me like focused, like even though they're
Speaker 1: wild'n out sleeping with whoever. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: steal the money from whatever. I know? God is still good.
Speaker 2: Would you ever actually like be a preacher? Obviously you
Speaker 2: did youth pastoring, but would you ever like, you know,
Speaker 2: try to like be like yo, I'm a fucking like
Speaker 2: leave music and do that like maybe when you're fifty.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I won't.
Speaker 1: Close the door to it because I'm a preacher now
Speaker 1: for real?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you preach, hear music. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you're still an artist. You're not a preacher. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you're dope artists who happens to you know like that.
Speaker 2: There's a line there.
Speaker 1: It's like I know how to how to I guess
Speaker 1: convinced people of the message at the concerts too. It's like,
Speaker 1: all righty to boost it up for the Lord. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll use that voice. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I hype them up and contract.
Speaker 2: He said, what anybody ever fight at your shows?
Speaker 1: Somebody? Somebody somebody ran up on me on stage Christian
Speaker 1: Rapper in Long Beach. No, not on Chris or Rapper.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He tried to press me in the middle of my concert.
Speaker 2: What where was your security? No?
Speaker 1: But you but you know what. Security came like ten
Speaker 1: seconds after. They probably thought I was a part of
Speaker 1: the act because I'll be having a lot.
Speaker 2: Of trying to press you in Long Beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like somebody was in the crowd like let
Speaker 1: the little kids get on stage, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of like dismissive a little bit like maybe later on,
Speaker 1: later on. And then he was like, but this about
Speaker 1: the young people, and he got on stage really try
Speaker 1: to like you know in LA. They be like, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that's crazy, But security pulled up
Speaker 1: on them. They pulled them in the parking lot. He
Speaker 1: look he started to like like exorcist type energy. He
Speaker 1: was like manifested. I'm like, yo, what is going on? Wait?
Speaker 2: The dude tried to press you started like he like
Speaker 2: fell out and was like, oh I'm saved.
Speaker 1: No, kind of like he had a demon in them.
Speaker 1: That was great. So that that was the only like
Speaker 1: situation that came close to like a confrontation physically. But yeah,
Speaker 1: bro was on one. It could have been the ecstasy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, have you ever.
Speaker 2: Seen someone get exorcists exercisted?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: I said?
Speaker 1: That exercise? I think they call it an exercise. You
Speaker 1: know a month ago, what a month ago? I've seen
Speaker 1: it and see me. Valley tried to see me, Valley, man,
Speaker 1: they seen real calm. I might get a spot out there,
Speaker 1: you see me value place. I went to Revelations Church
Speaker 1: with Pastor Lovy and y'all, I'm telling you, people drive
Speaker 1: from all over the country to go to this man's church. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's ministering to the this young lady and she's like
Speaker 1: kind of like crying, like Pastor, I need help, I
Speaker 1: need help, And he's being encouraging to her. Then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he stops talking to her and talk
Speaker 1: to something that's inside her. He was like, come out
Speaker 1: of her right now, and she went from to.
Speaker 2: Get got the fuck up out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like her eyes was like I'd have been out
Speaker 1: and then like come out of her right now. Then
Speaker 1: she like melted to the ground. I'm like, oh lord,
Speaker 1: it was wild.
Speaker 2: You stayed I'd have been all right, y'all.
Speaker 1: And that was the first one of the night. It
Speaker 1: was like four of them, four x. It was like
Speaker 1: four of them on a Thursday night. I'm good man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to the prophet LOGI that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Uh you gotta Obviously your album's out, Uh are you, like,
Speaker 2: I know you got a show coming up in Orange County,
Speaker 2: but are you doing like a national tour? What's going
Speaker 2: on with you right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We're playing Well, we just came off of a tour.
Speaker 1: The first leg across like tour. We was in Canada, Seattle, Portland,
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Phoenix, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But we're going to extend that joint and
Speaker 1: really the next top for us is this Saturday. We
Speaker 1: have our own festival every year in the Bay. It's
Speaker 1: called glow Fest, and so this year is going to
Speaker 1: be massive. Is glow really going to be there?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm kidding, Glowrilla Big Glow got to
Speaker 2: come to glow Fest.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonnaw. I was hot. I was hot when
Speaker 1: she came out because I'm like, dang, like she got
Speaker 1: that glow branding on lock, Like, oh yeah she got
Speaker 1: it at first.
Speaker 2: Our first yeah, glow Cubans and Grubans.
Speaker 1: Our festival was called Glowcella at first.
Speaker 2: Oh that's dope. And then you probably got hit with
Speaker 2: that season desist.
Speaker 1: Coachella did hit us yeah, of course they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they hit us up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't play any type of cella, don't.
Speaker 1: Exactly the word cella. Then like we own we own
Speaker 1: the word chella, so you can't use this. And I
Speaker 1: changed it to glow Fest and they still like came after.
Speaker 2: Us, but no, wait, came after you for glow Fest.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a whole story, man. We changed
Speaker 1: the name of the Instagram from Gloateella to glow Fest,
Speaker 1: but we had some fly another year in different parts
Speaker 1: of the country, but not like, uh, they shut down
Speaker 1: our page because we still had flyers up from last
Speaker 1: year that said Glowatella on it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We tried to make a new page and that one
Speaker 1: was shut down too. Damn they were serious. But now
Speaker 1: we're working with Coachella. Shout out the Golden Voice.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, tried the Golden Voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, are you?
Speaker 2: Because I mean obviously that they I think they owned
Speaker 2: the Observatory.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, yeah they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah man, so did they do Coachella too? Damn them, motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Glow Fests are rich Golden Voice whatever. You know what
Speaker 2: I meant guys are rich too speak prophetic, put it
Speaker 2: in the air. Yeah yeah, but who else is dope?
Speaker 2: That's a Christian rapper that I should check out.
Speaker 1: Oh you to check out somebody named Hovey Hoby hit
Speaker 1: a song with Sierra. He's sough, he's more overt, but
Speaker 1: the vibes are there.
Speaker 2: Is that the guy who subbed someone on your song?
Speaker 1: No, not him, not him, he's too holy for that.
Speaker 1: Uh and Holy Caleb Caleb Gordon Caleb Gordon's super Fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably the next to willly go mainstream with it. Who
Speaker 1: who am I?
Speaker 2: John?
Speaker 1: Keith John? Keep going crazy here a real rapper, rapper.
Speaker 1: We're working on the project together called the West Indies.
Speaker 2: You guys are doing like a joint album, like.
Speaker 1: A joint joint EP with five songs. West Indies capitalized
Speaker 1: on the on the movement and of course La Cree
Speaker 1: any mineo Hey, Andy's Dope, Andy Hard And it is
Speaker 1: like a perfect example.
Speaker 2: Of a guy who's like, you know it, content is
Speaker 2: his content, but like he just makes no music. You're
Speaker 2: listening to it and you're like, oh, this guy's I
Speaker 2: know where he stands on the religious side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking about God. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he's one of our goats, craning Andy, those are
Speaker 1: our goats for sure. I mean, this is this a
Speaker 1: whole movement. There's too many for me.
Speaker 2: Kanye is not a Christian rapper. Goat No, they asked,
Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't. He didn't. He win Best Christian
Speaker 2: Album of the Year at the Grammy.
Speaker 1: He topped all the charts. He won Best Christian Album.
Speaker 2: Hey Jesus Walks. It's a great record.
Speaker 1: That joint is mount Rush Moore of Christmas song.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, and he had hell of people singing
Speaker 2: about Jesus that would not have otherwise sang about Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think I think we can't. We can't
Speaker 1: put him up there because like it was short lived.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, Kanye is a flawed man, but
Speaker 2: he's you know, He's also got the biggest Christian rap
Speaker 2: song of all time.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest, But is it the best?
Speaker 2: In my opinion?
Speaker 1: Was that Oh yeah? The song?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a song I don't know about No No, No, No,
Speaker 2: No No Now. Jesus King album. He great beats shots
Speaker 2: and my guy books to be s murdered. The production
Speaker 2: on there, but it's just Miss Moors Kanye album in
Speaker 2: my opinion, just respectfully, what do you listen to non
Speaker 2: Christian rap music in your spare time? Or do you
Speaker 2: not want you try to shake that energy?
Speaker 1: I'll make sure I don't. I don't dive in too
Speaker 1: deep into the rabbit hole, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely tapping.
Speaker 2: Because that's probably rub off on you a little, like
Speaker 2: some of the energy I.
Speaker 1: Mean, but it would be foolish for me to not
Speaker 1: to not be tapped.
Speaker 2: Like who you're listening to? That's like not like who
Speaker 2: you bumping? Like who you like? What are you a
Speaker 2: fan of? Right now?
Speaker 1: Am I bumping? That's not? Oh? Can I say this
Speaker 1: on air? I like listening to a lot of underground artists?
Speaker 2: What's that? Because I know what underground is for my day,
Speaker 2: which literally underground, like the underground now is like yo,
Speaker 2: I like logic.
Speaker 1: Like logic is definitely not underground and shout out to logic.
Speaker 2: People think Corda is underground, right, Corday is like an
Speaker 2: undergroundish artist, but he's still underground. No, But he's like
Speaker 2: if he was in if it was ninety nine, he'd
Speaker 2: be underground. Common was underground. No, Common don't have one plaque.
Speaker 2: That's a crazy thing to say out loud. Common has
Speaker 2: much more than one plaque. You gotta relax with that.
Speaker 2: No Common was a underground rapper. I literally just told
Speaker 2: him to his face. I said, thank you for changing
Speaker 2: my life. You're an I never met a backpack underground
Speaker 2: rap anyway. The new definition of underground is an underground playboy.
Speaker 2: Cardi's underground to an extent. Is he a commercial artist?
Speaker 2: Is he commercially successful? Of course not. Have you ever
Speaker 2: turned on the fucking radio and her to playbook Cardis
Speaker 2: song in the last five years? No, you haven't, because
Speaker 2: he's not. He's he's an underground cult artist. No. But
Speaker 2: has he ever had a number a top five solo
Speaker 2: Billboard record, a top ten solo Billboard record? Of course not.
Speaker 1: He hasn't.
Speaker 2: No Roadwave broadwave is not underground. Yeah, but he's making
Speaker 2: commercially palatable music.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So who are listening to I.
Speaker 1: Think it's crazy about how he's not underground, but he's
Speaker 1: selling out arenas or he is underground something Rod waving
Speaker 1: him like it's crazy. How you don't have to be
Speaker 1: like mainstream, but you could.
Speaker 2: Like gold Rod number one Records in urban radio, so
Speaker 2: I wouldn't consider him underground.
Speaker 1: But for me, underground for me is like Zoel Sama.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yellow Hill Aten.
Speaker 2: Hey, Yellow Hills put out some our boy TK who
Speaker 2: did his Christian rap song that he has with La
Speaker 2: Cra who's recorded and produced right here by our team
Speaker 2: here for real.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, men, Yellow Hill been talking we're gonna link up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all was Yellow Hill now he'd be cripp let
Speaker 2: me say he'd be aggressive.
Speaker 1: He really just like, Oh, come to l A. He
Speaker 1: l A l A.
Speaker 2: L A is not safe.
Speaker 1: L A is not safe.
Speaker 2: It's Yellow Hell.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do I be going that hard for the Bay? Like?
Speaker 1: Am I that Bay? How he is? L A? Is
Speaker 1: that that brother?
Speaker 2: LA person alive?
Speaker 1: Alive brother? And he'll let you know at all at
Speaker 1: all it ain't safe for the toy.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Jesus anyway, shouts shout to him and
Speaker 2: look crazy. They got a dope song out produced.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's hard. Yeah, No, Yellow He is underground Yeah
Speaker 1: yeah for solely uh HPK get under ground. My favorite
Speaker 1: rapper to this day is I Am.
Speaker 2: Sue shot to Bay Area Pioneer.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Sue, we got a record too. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, he put me on a record. Uh he's
Speaker 1: singing on that joint, you know, talking about.
Speaker 2: What God is stuff him, shot out to Sue.
Speaker 1: Man I was probably more more edgy on that than
Speaker 1: he was. Yes, shout out time I got him anyone.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, But go crazy, though.
Speaker 2: You should do it like I already know you already
Speaker 2: did not like us freestyle, but you should do like
Speaker 2: a not like us. But you're rapping like your God
Speaker 2: to the devil.
Speaker 1: Oh are you dirty devil?
Speaker 2: Or do the euphoria version? That's why you bach ask Satan.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Rapping to euphoria is more
Speaker 1: difficult than not like us.
Speaker 2: Do meet the Grahams, but about the devil. And you're
Speaker 2: like wrapping from the perspective of God.
Speaker 1: And you journey devil. Understand you got kicked out of heaven.
Speaker 1: There you go with a nasal flow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, throw a little playboard CARDI sliding in there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, playboy. There. There was a point to
Speaker 1: where his music was just like Vibby.
Speaker 2: Really now, when he was rocking with a sap and uh,
Speaker 2: you know the the Cozy Tapes era and and dilet
Speaker 2: and then things just the Red tape what was it
Speaker 2: called the Red album?
Speaker 1: The Red album?
Speaker 2: Whatever it is? That ship was.
Speaker 1: You know, seeing seeing what he did at Rolling Loud
Speaker 1: really inspired us to really go harder in our movement.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 2: He brought some guy looks like he was on Heroin,
Speaker 2: the white guy who was always with him, The guy
Speaker 2: looks like he's got a serious Heroin problem.
Speaker 1: And then they were just like, yeah it was it
Speaker 1: was yeah, it was all of that. And so I'm like,
Speaker 1: if they could do seemingly satanic stuff on a high level,
Speaker 1: I know it.
Speaker 2: Was seemingly satanic, but are we for sure it was satanic?
Speaker 1: To me?
Speaker 2: They were just screaming and looking looking like they were
Speaker 2: if I'm.
Speaker 1: Not mistaken to think you had like some logos that
Speaker 1: pointed to Satanism up Cross. Yeah, yeah, it's like, what's
Speaker 1: the if you're not as satan is, what's the point
Speaker 1: of having that? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: So, is there is in his defense? Is there a
Speaker 2: world in which and upside down Cross means anything else?
Speaker 2: I just don't know. I'm not hip to the imagery.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a possibility that it may be, but
Speaker 1: from my understanding, it's it could be seen as blasphemy.
Speaker 1: It could be seen as fo God. I think, you know, honey,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: For the purpose of what they do, they just like
Speaker 2: to put ship on shirts that they think looks cool.
Speaker 1: And it could be for shock values. It could be
Speaker 1: for shock value for sure. But you shocking the wrong people, boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1: Are you are?
Speaker 2: You're just straight Christian?
Speaker 1: Like? Is that?
Speaker 2: Because there's so many different types of factions, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like there's like Baptists, there's.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, like what what gang am I part of?
Speaker 1: Which click do I associate with? It's I'm not a
Speaker 1: part of any of them. So they like to call
Speaker 1: that non denominational becausemination, yeah, those cliques are denominations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven Day Adventis and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to any of them, not to say
Speaker 1: that I won't, but like, I never even understood why
Speaker 1: we have to separate ourselves like that. It's like, you
Speaker 1: believe in Jesus, you're a Christian er.
Speaker 2: I don't know the difference between any of them, Like,
Speaker 2: what's a Lutheran compared to a Baptist compared to a
Speaker 2: seven day advantage compared. Now, I do know once you
Speaker 2: start getting into you know, Hovah's witnesses, they got some
Speaker 2: interesting takes and they're very aggressive on the door knocks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one hundred Jehovah's witnesses.
Speaker 2: Don't play them in the Mormons. You know, they've got
Speaker 2: Mormon fans, because that is a wild religion.
Speaker 1: No, I do. Catholic Mormons and Adova witnesses. They believe
Speaker 1: that only one hundred, one hundred thousand people get into heaven,
Speaker 1: and so they're trying Mormons and Jehovah witnesses.
Speaker 2: I think the Mormons, the Mormons believe some much more
Speaker 2: crazier shit for the.
Speaker 1: Rerect Yeah, I think. I think they believe in like
Speaker 1: some aliens, and like I got.
Speaker 2: Tons of Mormon homies. I grew up. I went to
Speaker 2: high school in Mesa, Arizona, with tons of Mormons. Shout
Speaker 2: to them, sweet people. Mitt Romney, you know, shout out
Speaker 2: to him, whatever the fuck he's doing with his life.
Speaker 2: You perform in Salt Lake City, yet.
Speaker 1: No, I have not.
Speaker 2: That's where you got all that. That's Mormon.
Speaker 1: Mormon.
Speaker 2: You got to pull up and when you get on
Speaker 2: the mic, you gotta say choose the right, and they'll be.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, like on some Republican stuff.
Speaker 2: No, choose the right is CTR. All the Mormons have
Speaker 2: the CTR rings, so they call it the right.
Speaker 1: Choose the right.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it means. I just know it's
Speaker 2: something Mormons be saying, choose CTR.
Speaker 1: If I say that it's not some Republican they're gonna
Speaker 1: impress me.
Speaker 2: No, no, they're not. They're gonna be like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 1: Damn, what you know about the right, homie.
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy though? When I was a kid,
Speaker 2: like all the Mormons, like, you know, because the Mormons
Speaker 2: are like super super nice people. They're really sweet people.
Speaker 2: Obviously they're mostly conservative. Yeah, but all the Mormon kids
Speaker 2: in school were the ones who were like doing the
Speaker 2: real drugs. Like people got caught with heroin or pills.
Speaker 2: It was the Mormon kids because I feel like they
Speaker 2: was like rebelling against their crib because you know, at home,
Speaker 2: may not allowed to drink caffeine, they can't watch the fuck.
Speaker 1: It's real strict. It's real strict. And that's that's the
Speaker 1: danger with religion. It's like if you heavily restrict the
Speaker 1: kids at home, they're likely to just do any and
Speaker 1: everything when they get a little taste of freedom.
Speaker 2: Is it safe to say scientology is the wildest religion ever?
Speaker 1: Well, I think wild wow may not be the right word. Good.
Speaker 1: There's some wild stuff out there, but Scientology.
Speaker 2: Out of all the big ones, out of all the big.
Speaker 1: Ones, it's it's the most concerning for show.
Speaker 2: It's pretty. It's pretty. Uh, it's pretty. It's interesting because obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever you feel about religion is what it is.
Speaker 2: But when you see the people, like I've watched all
Speaker 2: the documentaries about too Going Clear and all that, and yo,
Speaker 2: the fact that they're able to get people to buy
Speaker 2: into this shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Like Hubbard was like, first of all, not very successful,
Speaker 2: but has more published science fiction works than any author ever.
Speaker 2: This dude's entire stick was he was a science fiction
Speaker 2: author and then he created religion.
Speaker 1: It's wild and people believe it. And they'd be on
Speaker 1: some gang banging the power trip stuff too.
Speaker 2: And they're like they got the mafia dog. They'd be
Speaker 2: like taking fools out, bro. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: for real?
Speaker 1: And I think if you joined your high level of scientology,
Speaker 1: like you can't you can't get out.
Speaker 2: You can't get out, they won't let you out.
Speaker 1: Bro. I was seen as one documentary. It was like
Speaker 1: a testimoney about you know what they had doing dure.
Speaker 1: This lady was like, and they made me clean the
Speaker 1: sanctuary with my tongue, Like since had to mop the
Speaker 1: floor with her tongue, Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Listen, with any religion, there's the dark side of it.
Speaker 1: For sure, so it's not all terrible like that, but
Speaker 1: science fiction novel, no.
Speaker 2: No, the scientologies as well. And I honestly, the Mormons
Speaker 2: are right behind him. They're like, hey, Joe, Hey, what
Speaker 2: about us. We're crazy as fuck too. Shots to the
Speaker 2: Mormon self. Anyway. Listen, man, you got a new album
Speaker 2: out right now. Yeah, everybody go support it. You're doing
Speaker 2: your thing. People can go buy tickets if you're in
Speaker 2: the LA area, Orange County area for August thirty first,
Speaker 2: and I sold out, Yeah, the Observer.
Speaker 1: Toores, I sold out. Yeah, we're gonna pack that joint
Speaker 1: out though.
Speaker 2: And anything else you want to talk about before you
Speaker 2: get out here.
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's grateful to be here, big bro, like real.
Speaker 2: Sorry if I offended you or got you in trouble?
Speaker 1: Oh you good? Like I enjoyed this. I enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't you know, like why'd you sit down
Speaker 2: with that atheist bastard in La?
Speaker 1: You know, the the the over religious may say something,
Speaker 1: but the folks who know what's gonna be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you said with Blake cav Brother, you win it.
Speaker 2: I do want to interview like one of these mega preachers, Hey,
Speaker 2: which one, probably Joel because heel I feel like he's
Speaker 2: a reasonable guy. I don't think he's like a psycho. No,
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's an entrepreneur, which is
Speaker 2: a problem, which is a yeah. But when you watch him,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this guy's a talented, motivational speaker. I
Speaker 2: understand why people like him. He's a likable guy. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's I don't think he's a bad guy.
Speaker 2: But it depends on what you think it's a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Dang.
Speaker 2: But I want to interview one of them, like T D.
Speaker 1: Jakes or what you know who you should interview Mike Todd.
Speaker 1: Mike Todd sounds like a senator Fromentalist and Michael Todd
Speaker 1: he's a young pastor but he's viral all the time. Mike,
Speaker 1: he's urban.
Speaker 2: I want to interview that dude who they ran up
Speaker 2: on him in church and they try to rob him,
Speaker 2: and then it came out that he was like ripping
Speaker 2: off his in New York.
Speaker 1: He in jail.
Speaker 2: He's in jail. That's what I want to interview. And
Speaker 2: he deserved to get robbed, for sure. He was robbing
Speaker 2: his people.
Speaker 1: I think he was stunned. He had like all the rings.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. See that's the kind of ship that
Speaker 2: makes me want to throw up because I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: you got your people coming to your church struggling. You're
Speaker 2: asking him for money, but you out here dressed like
Speaker 2: magic don Juan on Bro Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think he was like putting sam on people for
Speaker 1: not giving him money or something like that. Like do
Speaker 1: you that?
Speaker 2: Do you do the Tide?
Speaker 1: I'll tied for sure, Yeah, roll Tide. It'd be tough sometimes,
Speaker 1: but I'm blessed.
Speaker 2: What are you supposed to tie? What's the percentage of
Speaker 2: the Tide tithe?
Speaker 1: There's a ten percent ten percent of what you get in.
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 2: Like which church you're tithing is a different?
Speaker 1: No, no, I'll give it to the church that I
Speaker 1: go to. Okay, yeah, for sure. Nice And it's like,
Speaker 1: even if you don't look at the Bible, like, this
Speaker 1: is a practical way to support what supports you. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that's right.
Speaker 2: Any charity stuff you're doing.
Speaker 1: Oh charity. Not yet. We're trying to say something up though.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do something called christ Like Christmas this year,
Speaker 1: just giving away pieces of our brand. We have a
Speaker 1: clothing line called christ Like Collection. Is this your Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: one of them?
Speaker 2: Oh that's fire. You know when you wear that hat,
Speaker 2: you give me country vibes, brown vibes.
Speaker 1: Hey man, Pittsburg is not It's not a big city's
Speaker 1: locy kind of country, even though is it in the Bay.
Speaker 1: But we got cows.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that existed.
Speaker 1: We got crops. Yeah.
Speaker 2: As you know, there's side shows and there's that's Oakland
Speaker 2: Richmond side shows.
Speaker 1: Hose and broken windows and broken windows. We was going
Speaker 1: to do our festival in Oakland at the Fox Theater.
Speaker 2: Would have been a bad play. Yeah, you don't want
Speaker 2: to do that. You know, all them Christians going out
Speaker 2: there getting.
Speaker 1: Fucking robbed, getting robbed, all of them.
Speaker 2: No, not like face to face rob, but like come
Speaker 2: back outside after a great night watching Miles Minnick and
Speaker 2: all of our windows are busted, and my work laptop's missing.
Speaker 1: And that happened. That happened in downtown LA, And now
Speaker 1: I got to go.
Speaker 2: To the mission and try to find it because some
Speaker 2: Mexican dude selling it on the corner.
Speaker 1: It's a yeah, shout out to the bippers man.
Speaker 2: The bippers be pipping man. And in La it's starting
Speaker 2: to come over here. Yeah, the culture is keeping bipping
Speaker 2: out there. Bru. We don't need it here. We came
Speaker 2: out here for a change, for sure.
Speaker 1: Man, my car digger breaking in through four times in
Speaker 1: Long Beach where I live four times.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you should probably stop leaving it in
Speaker 2: your car.
Speaker 1: Please do better. Nothing to be in there.
Speaker 2: Well leave your windows.
Speaker 1: I'm try.
Speaker 2: No, you're right when you down trunk open, that's how
Speaker 2: you got to do it.
Speaker 1: Oh and for the Tesla, the front got to be up.
Speaker 2: The front got to be up at miles minute. I
Speaker 2: appreciate you, brother, You all right? No, man, there it
Speaker 2: is fire