WEBVTT - From the Vault: Saturn's Brood

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the Vault. That's right. And since

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<v Speaker 1>the last Vault episode was about the moons of Jupiter,

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<v Speaker 1>we figured what we should also revisit our episode about

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<v Speaker 1>the moons of Saturn. Right. So this originally aired on

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<v Speaker 1>August four, two thousand sixteen, and it's an episode called

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<v Speaker 1>Saturn's Brood Beyond the Outer Ring, which, man, that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a good B movie title. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if we say the same thing in the episode. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we do get into a little bit into films

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<v Speaker 1>that take place on or around Saturn. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about Outland. Do we talk about Ali?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we did, yeah, and uh. And then also

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<v Speaker 1>I think Silent Running comes up as well, the classic

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<v Speaker 1>Brewster and film where he sort of hides out in

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<v Speaker 1>your Saturn man, what is wrong with our brains? The

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<v Speaker 1>main thing we remember about every episode we do is

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<v Speaker 1>what Sean Connery sci fi movie we talked about. These

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<v Speaker 1>are the Sean Connery based guide posts that are just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tacked into the ground so we can revisit

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<v Speaker 1>these episodes in the future coming soon on Stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow Your Mind The Science of Czardas. Okay, well, we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't take any more time at the beginning here have

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<v Speaker 1>fun with Saturn's brood. Welcome to Stuff to Blow your

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<v Speaker 1>Mind from how Stuff Works dot com. There's peace in

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<v Speaker 1>those rings. As we spiraled into Jupiter, our orbit decaying

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<v Speaker 1>rapidly inside the path of the sulfurous io we assumed

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<v Speaker 1>that we and our forest ste bio arc were headed

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<v Speaker 1>for the same fate as the old Galileo probe, through

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<v Speaker 1>the fierce radiation ELTs, through the crushing gravity, into the

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<v Speaker 1>Jovian atmosphere, and all the way down. But then something happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It was as if a hand of a silent god

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<v Speaker 1>reached out from the darkness of space and just plucked

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<v Speaker 1>us gently from the depths of the gas giant's gravity

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<v Speaker 1>well and lifted us up up to freedom. We still

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what happened. Our navigational computers have no explanation,

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<v Speaker 1>but our orbits ceased its decay, and with the slow

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<v Speaker 1>gradual acceleration, driven from some source totally foreign to the

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<v Speaker 1>ship itself, we were on our way, but not on

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<v Speaker 1>our way home, something out there, some unknown forces urging

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<v Speaker 1>us in the other direction. Despite the long journey, our

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<v Speaker 1>ever dwindling share of sunlight, and the powerful radiation bath

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<v Speaker 1>we just endured, the plants that once struggled for life

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<v Speaker 1>in our forest dome are now unexpectedly thriving, as if

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<v Speaker 1>more of the Solar system great moons want to be seen,

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<v Speaker 1>want to be understood, and some hidden intelligence is helping them.

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<v Speaker 1>And now the cold golden wheel of Saturn looms in

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<v Speaker 1>the foreground, with its major moons appearing as tiny points

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<v Speaker 1>of light in the darkness, growing ever closer as our

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<v Speaker 1>spiral begins again. Hey, welcome to stuff to blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert lamp and my name is Joe McCormick,

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<v Speaker 1>and backed by popular demand, we are now going to

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<v Speaker 1>explore the moons of Saturn. So this will be, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>a sequel of sorts to the episode we did a

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<v Speaker 1>while back about the moons of Jupiter or the major

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<v Speaker 1>moons of Jupiter. In both cases, these are large gas giants.

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<v Speaker 1>They have lots of moons, so we have to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, pick our battles, but they're not battles.

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<v Speaker 1>Their missions of peace and exploration, that's right. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Saturn here, there are currently fifty three

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<v Speaker 1>known moons, nine currently awaiting confirmation, So that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of moons. But we are gonna, indeed going to stick

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<v Speaker 1>to just the the key items of interest here, the

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<v Speaker 1>ones indeed that you've likely heard of in science fiction,

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<v Speaker 1>that you've certainly heard of h in science journalism. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna, we're gonna. We've picked up some good destinations

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<v Speaker 1>here for our trip. So Robert, Saturn is a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of different beast than Jupiter, isn't it. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to lump them together. They're the two biggest

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<v Speaker 1>objects in our Solar system, the biggest objects to enormous

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<v Speaker 1>gas giants, easily the two jazziest planets as well. Like

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<v Speaker 1>my my son who's four, I haven't really been pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the space agenda as much as I have like the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth sciences agenda, But even he instantly knows Saturn and

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<v Speaker 1>he knows Jupiter. Well. Saturn, I would say, is the

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<v Speaker 1>iconic image of a planet. Now, if you go to

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for clip art or vector images or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that of images of planets, you're gonna see Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Saturn you can recognize it's got the rings. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the planet that's not just different in terms of coloring

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and what you might see about its atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>or lack thereof, or cratering and stuff like that, its

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<v Speaker 1>whole profile is different. It's like a different animal altogether. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's kind of the pin up model of

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar System. It is the one that you see

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<v Speaker 1>the most just really gleaning, elegant, just crisp images. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you have just a row of globes, a row

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<v Speaker 1>of circles, the presence of Saturn, perhaps more so than

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<v Speaker 1>any of the others, is going to queue you in.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm looking at a model of the Solar System.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, Yeah. It's the difference between a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>balls and planets. But it's also different than Jupiter in

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<v Speaker 1>that Jupiter was this very intense experience. Now Saturn also

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<v Speaker 1>is very large, it has a deep gravity. Well you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got those same things going forward. But Saturn, i

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<v Speaker 1>would say, is a more peaceful and colder thing to experience,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike the intense radiation bath of Jupiter. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little more serene. Those we'll discuss here. It itself is

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<v Speaker 1>a very hostile world, and its moons are pretty hostile

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<v Speaker 1>as well, at least two beings like at least too,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, weak fragile beings like us, so we can

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<v Speaker 1>scarcely survive outside of a slim portion of our own

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<v Speaker 1>planets environment. Reading reading up for this episode, I was

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<v Speaker 1>astonished to discover how excited scientists are about the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>for life and a couple of Saturn's moons. Because when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about life in our Solar system beyond Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody always mentions Europa that that's the one that comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind, and for a good reason. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reason to want to study Europa from an astrobiological perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>But Saturn has some really good moons going for it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to explore what's going on on those

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<v Speaker 1>moons today. All right. Before we get into that, though,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's just roll through some of the basics about Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>just to give everyone a grounding in the planet that

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<v Speaker 1>plays host to all of these wonderful spheres and ovals

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<v Speaker 1>in occasion, just lumps of rock, uh, and the potatoes,

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<v Speaker 1>the spongey potato. So again, it's the second largest planet

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<v Speaker 1>in our Solar system. It's a gas giant without solid

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<v Speaker 1>substance save it's dense, hot, pressurized core of rock, ice, water,

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<v Speaker 1>and other compounds, and all of this is enveloped by

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<v Speaker 1>liquid metallic hydrogen inside a layer of a liquid hydrogen.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's located nine point five astronomical units away from

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun six planet in our Solar system, as the

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<v Speaker 1>posters tell us, and has seven icy rings that encircle it,

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<v Speaker 1>spanning up to one seventy five thousand miles or two

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand kilometers. So what are the rings consist of? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wondered this. Yeah, the contrary to what bugs

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<v Speaker 1>Bunny may have taught you, if I remember correctly, they

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<v Speaker 1>are not the solid rings that you can run around on.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not like a treadmill or anything. But scientists haven't

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<v Speaker 1>always known that that's true. They have not always been

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<v Speaker 1>aware of that. We know now that it's it's mostly

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<v Speaker 1>water ice. The planet's ring system extend hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of kilometers out from the planet, but the vertical height

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<v Speaker 1>is typically about ten meters or thirty feet in the

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<v Speaker 1>main rings. Are you serious? But but but but there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a key butt coming up. They can grow

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<v Speaker 1>far larger. During Saturn's autumn two thousand nine equinox, the

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<v Speaker 1>Cassini spacecraft images showed us that vertical formations and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the rings had piled the particles up, but in

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<v Speaker 1>ridges more than three kilometers or two miles tall. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's some fascinating structures and behaviors that you can see

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<v Speaker 1>within the rings to including these like a propeller shaped

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<v Speaker 1>objects that can form. It's crazy now light Jupiter. Saturn

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<v Speaker 1>is made mostly of hydrogen and helium, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>upper atmosphere, wind speeds can reach five hundred meters or

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hundred feet per second in the equatorial region. These

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<v Speaker 1>winds fast. It's pretty fast, so it looks more peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>than it is. Just because it doesn't have a big

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<v Speaker 1>red spot doesn't mean it has some some anger to it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>These winds, combined with heat rising from the planet's interior,

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<v Speaker 1>cause the yellow gold bands that we see visible in

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere. But they're not as visible as the bands

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<v Speaker 1>we see on Jupiter. Right, Yeah, it's not. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>as angry. It's not. It doesn't look like somebody just

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<v Speaker 1>poured a bunch of like red liquid into you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a swirling mixer bowl of pancake batter and blood. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a great way to describe it. That's how I

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<v Speaker 1>think of Jupiter. Yeah, this one is more just like

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<v Speaker 1>pancake batter with some with some honeyead. You know. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful coincidence with the other episode that we recorded

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<v Speaker 1>this week, Robert, which was the episode on the Library

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<v Speaker 1>of Babel. And now I'm not sure what the publishing

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<v Speaker 1>schedule is going to be, but in the episode on

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<v Speaker 1>the in the Library of Babble, we discussed how people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Library of Babel seek out the Crimson hexagon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and indeed there is a hexagon on Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it does not contain any books. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>a room per se. Well, you don't know that, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure, but yes, if you look at you I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure I'm number of people have seen seen images of

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<v Speaker 1>this here. But if you if you look at various

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<v Speaker 1>images of Saturn, there appears to be a hexagon at

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<v Speaker 1>the top, almost as if it has a little hexagonal hat,

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<v Speaker 1>a little skull cap on um. And it's weird to

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<v Speaker 1>look at because you're seeing this in nature. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not obviously an object designed by anybody on purpose. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not circular. It's got these clear corners. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the kind of shape that you would necessarily expect.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is, of course a very natural reason for this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is caused by jet streams uh in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the wind systems of Saturn. Basically you have a region

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<v Speaker 1>here that's bound on each side by different editing edditing storms.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's uh, it's the kind of thing if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever met somebody who's playing with a lot of bubbles,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like doing a lot of bubble art and

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what you mean bubble bubble, like blowing bubbles

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<v Speaker 1>and then sticking other bubbles, maybe blowing smoke into those bubbles. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not very familiar with this art form. Oh you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it was big medicine on like Sesame Street and

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<v Speaker 1>and um Mr Rogers neighborhood and back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>I really completely lost touch with my inner child. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>blowing big bubbles is a lot of fun, but blowing

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<v Speaker 1>small bubbles too, because you can join them together and

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<v Speaker 1>if you really know what you're doing, you can form

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<v Speaker 1>geometric shapes at the center where these bubbles bubbles border

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<v Speaker 1>other bubbles and kind of force different shapes towards the center.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, I think I know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I tried to think of that when I

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<v Speaker 1>think of this particular scenario, to try and remind myself

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<v Speaker 1>that yes, uh, non spherical shapes are possible within nature

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<v Speaker 1>given the right circumstances. Now, another quick fact about Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>Here a day last ten hours and a year. The

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<v Speaker 1>time it takes for the body to orbit its central

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<v Speaker 1>star last twenty nine earth years, and the planet's magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field is smaller than Jupiter's, but still five seventy eight

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<v Speaker 1>times as powerful as Earth's, shielding Saturn and many of

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<v Speaker 1>its moons from the solar wind. Okay, well that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be important if we're talking about, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting a colony there or something very important. So on

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<v Speaker 1>that note, let's start talking about the discovery of Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery of Saturn's moons. Saturn, of course, is a

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<v Speaker 1>very We've known about Saturn for a very long time. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows who discovered Saturn, because the ancients knew about Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>We've known about Saturn as long as we've had history.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, naked eye astronomers could peer up into the

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<v Speaker 1>night sky and see Saturn. So uh so, what we're

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<v Speaker 1>really going to be talking about is the first telescopic

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<v Speaker 1>studies of Saturn. And you might recall from the last

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<v Speaker 1>episode that the person usually credited with discovering the largest

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<v Speaker 1>moons of Jupiter, the four Galilean Moons, was the Italian

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<v Speaker 1>astronomer Galileo Galilei, and Galileos also given credit for discovering

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<v Speaker 1>the rings of Saturn, though he didn't really understand what

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<v Speaker 1>he was looking at. Now, Like we said, everybody already

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<v Speaker 1>knew about Saturn, but they knew it as a point

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<v Speaker 1>of light in the sky. And when gali Leo looked

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<v Speaker 1>at Saturn, he saw something very odd, a triple star.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like one enormous star with two tiny stars

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<v Speaker 1>attached to it on either side, like little side cars

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<v Speaker 1>riding along with it. Now. Fun fact, Galileo wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get credit for being the first person to discover this

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<v Speaker 1>triple star, but he wasn't ready to publish his findings yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so he used a method that I thought was pretty clever.

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<v Speaker 1>He instead disseminated an anagram and by the way, when

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<v Speaker 1>this came up, I had to look up anagrams of

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<v Speaker 1>our names for fun. I have no good ones, not really.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is. I've got comic jock rim and that's

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But Robert, you've got some awesome anagrams in

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<v Speaker 1>case you've never looked him up before. You've got Mr

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<v Speaker 1>babele Rot. That's pretty good. You've also got barrel tomb,

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<v Speaker 1>barrel to m okay. But anyway, uh So, anagram jumbled

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<v Speaker 1>around letters, you know, jumbled up, and then you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can un jumble them to spell the original message

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<v Speaker 1>and show if it's a sufficiently short number of letters,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can show that you had this idea

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<v Speaker 1>all along, and that that was Galileo's idea. So the

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<v Speaker 1>antagram that Galileo spread around could be un jumbled to

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<v Speaker 1>read something along the lines of I've discovered the triform planet,

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<v Speaker 1>and if anybody tried to scoop him, he could just

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<v Speaker 1>unscramble it and show that he had seen it first.

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<v Speaker 1>But we now know that Saturn is not a triform planet.

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<v Speaker 1>So who figured that out? Well? In sixteen fifty five,

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<v Speaker 1>around six fifty six, the Dutch astronomer mathematician and all

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<v Speaker 1>around science guy Christian Hygans made a study of Saturn

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<v Speaker 1>through a more powerful telescope, and he made his own discoveries.

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<v Speaker 1>So by observing how the side stars of Saturn could

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<v Speaker 1>disappear and then reappear. And this is something other observers

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't noticed too, Hygans realized that he was actually looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a planet surrounded by a flat disc of rings.

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<v Speaker 1>It could disappear because of what you mentioned about how

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<v Speaker 1>flat it is, right, so it could be very bright

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<v Speaker 1>when we're looking at it at an angle where the

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<v Speaker 1>rings are reflecting up toward us. But when the rings

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly turned to where they're pretty much perpendicular with our view,

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<v Speaker 1>they completely disappear. There's not enough surface to reflect anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a It's like a lady in a hat

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<v Speaker 1>with a wide brim. Depending on how she is holding

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<v Speaker 1>her head, the positioning of her neck, you may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not see the brim of the hat, and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see at a very degree. Yeah, so she tilts her

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<v Speaker 1>head towards you, you see the brim. She tilts her

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<v Speaker 1>head flat relative to your perspective, you don't really see much.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Hyggan's observed that but Hygan's didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the rings were made of. I think he actually thought

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<v Speaker 1>they might be some kind of solid structure, maybe more

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<v Speaker 1>like the bugs money example, And just try to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that in reality. Again, I love thinking about like when

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<v Speaker 1>you had less information and and just we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>conceive of what the universe was like solid rings around

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<v Speaker 1>the planet. Yeah, I mean they based on the information

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<v Speaker 1>avaiable at the time. Yeah, why not fascinating. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course subsequently we learned more about the rings of Saturn. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, Hygan's discovered something else while studying Saturn, a moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody had seen any of the moons of Saturn up

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<v Speaker 1>until this time, and he discovered the largest moon of Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Titan, which is going to be a fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>thing to explore in a little bit here. But then

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<v Speaker 1>subsequently other moons of Saturn were discovered by astronomers like

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<v Speaker 1>Giovanni Cassini and William Herschel, And we're still learning more

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<v Speaker 1>about Saturn's smaller satellites. Today, we don't know everything there

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<v Speaker 1>is to know about Saturn's moons, and especially it's smallest moons. Yeah. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>like I mentioned earlier, fifty three known moons, nine currently

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting confirmations, so we're still figuring it all out. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We have actually sent exploration missions to Saturn, so there

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<v Speaker 1>were several fly bys Pioneer eleven, Voyager one and two

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<v Speaker 1>that they did fly bys of Saturn, did a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of observation. But the big one, the real hero

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<v Speaker 1>for for planetary science and discovery and the Saturn sphere

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<v Speaker 1>is Cassini. The Cassini Hoygien's mission. So the Cassini orbiter

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<v Speaker 1>entered Saturn's orbit in two thousand four during Saturn's northern winter,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been conducting research on Saturn and its moons

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<v Speaker 1>ever since, and it has sent back some awesome photos.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the coolest thing about the Cassini photos I've

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<v Speaker 1>always thought is how real photos that are taken by Cassini. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they're usually like color enhanced or enhanced in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, but real photos taken by this probe look

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<v Speaker 1>like illustrations. They often they just don't look like a

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<v Speaker 1>picture that somebody took with a real camera, but they

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<v Speaker 1>are with of course some enhancements. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. I love it when reality can't pass for real. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because the thing that you're photographing is so utterly unreal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean to our earthling conceptions, to everything that we

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<v Speaker 1>have evolved a view here on this world. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course another part of the Cassini mission was the

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<v Speaker 1>Huygens probe, which went down landed on Titan in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand five after Cassini reached Saturn in two thousand four,

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<v Speaker 1>and that also sent back some amazing imagery and made

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<v Speaker 1>some fascinating discoveries that we will talk about in a

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<v Speaker 1>bit when it's time to speak of Titan. So now

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to take a quick break. But when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we will be spiraling in towards Saturn, beginning

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<v Speaker 1>with the outermost moons and working our way in. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, Robert. It it seems like we're coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on a on a strange outer moon. Yes, we in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming up on the largest of the outer moons.

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<v Speaker 1>Iappodus Appetus. Yes, it didn't that sound lovecraft. I in

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<v Speaker 1>like something they would worship. A chanted name I appatus.

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<v Speaker 1>You just want to invoke it. Yeah, named, by the

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<v Speaker 1>way for a Tartarus bound Titan. So it's nice and

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<v Speaker 1>has a nice gloomy feel to it. Iopodus is not

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<v Speaker 1>unlike the Yen Yang of Chinese philosophy. Just to prepare

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<v Speaker 1>everyone for what you're gonna see here. Uh, it's leading

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<v Speaker 1>hemisphere is dark, while it's trailing hemisphere is significantly brighter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tidally locked world, like a number of moons,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that one side always faces Saturn and the other

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<v Speaker 1>side always faces the void. It essentially looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>yen Yang. It essentially looks like the black and white

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<v Speaker 1>cookie from that episode of Signfeld. It's like that the

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<v Speaker 1>two face of Saturn's moons, and it's it's crazy to behold,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been crazy for scientists to try and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out exactly why this is. We'll get into shortly and

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<v Speaker 1>mentioning two face. It's it's monstrous in more than one

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<v Speaker 1>way in appearance, that's right. It also has an equatorial ridge,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a chain of six mile or ten kilometer

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<v Speaker 1>high mountains. And this is wonderful. It it might have

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<v Speaker 1>formed that during a high speed rotation period or most

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<v Speaker 1>exciting abot all of it might be a collapsed ring. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're making that up. No, that's one of the theories.

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<v Speaker 1>Collapsed ring. Yeah, these are essentially like the collapsed ring mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds like a perfect It sounds like something out

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<v Speaker 1>of a Jack Vance novel, you know. So it could

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<v Speaker 1>have had a ring that was drawn into the planet

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<v Speaker 1>by gravity, collapsed into it and became this planet wide

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<v Speaker 1>ridge of mountains that looks like a horror movie monster

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<v Speaker 1>backbones sticking up out of the planet's flesh. Yeah, it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>a killer now. It It orbits at about a little

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<v Speaker 1>over two million miles or three million kilometers away from Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has probably and this has probably protected it

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<v Speaker 1>from tidal forces and melting episodes that would have resurfaced it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's far enough away from Saturn that it Saturn's

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<v Speaker 1>gravity is not warping it too much. It's not heating

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<v Speaker 1>it and causing the geological activity exactly. But you do

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<v Speaker 1>have the strange dark and white side. And there have

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<v Speaker 1>been three major theories over the years as to why

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<v Speaker 1>one side is black and the other is white. Hit

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<v Speaker 1>me all right. So one theory is that i Appetus

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<v Speaker 1>maybe sweeping up particles from the more distant dark moon

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<v Speaker 1>phobe and steadily renewing this dusting to cover up all

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<v Speaker 1>but the newest craters. Okay, so that's one possibility. Another

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<v Speaker 1>one is that I saw a volcanism may be distributing

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<v Speaker 1>the dark materials. We're talking of volcano like eruptions of hydrocarbons,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps to due to chemical reactions that are in turn

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<v Speaker 1>caused by solar radiation. Oh nice, so you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>planet that's half covered in soot sort of. Yeah. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the third theory, then, this is the one that's that

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<v Speaker 1>is backed up by a lot of data from two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seven's uh Cassini fly by, and that is that

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<v Speaker 1>thermal segregation is going on. So what is that? So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the salad works. It takes the Moon as long as

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine days to rotate around Saturn, and it's some

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<v Speaker 1>dark material areal made its way to the Moon at

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<v Speaker 1>some point in the past. Perhaps dude tying into one

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<v Speaker 1>and to the first theory, um, then the long periods

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<v Speaker 1>of solar exposure on the dark side would have caused

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<v Speaker 1>the dark material to heat up and volatile icy materials

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<v Speaker 1>within the dark to sublime out and retreat to colder regions.

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<v Speaker 1>The bright regions become brighter and the dark regions get dark. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so sort of a slow attrition. Yeah, okay, so a

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<v Speaker 1>Yapodus is a fairly small world, right, it's about one

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<v Speaker 1>seven the mass of Pluto, about the width of Earth's moon.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is the life potential? I want to know?

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<v Speaker 1>That's our main question with all these right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's certainly, that's the one thing we want to know

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<v Speaker 1>on each of these. Is it possible that there's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of life clinging to this little moon? Now we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the planet itself is probably alive and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a curled up movie monster that's going to unfurl with

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<v Speaker 1>its backbone finally sinking in as it stretches its back

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<v Speaker 1>out and raises its claws. But assuming that's not the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just a rock in space, what we are

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<v Speaker 1>what's the hope that there's life on it? Very very little,

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<v Speaker 1>very little hope for life here? Despite the insistence by

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<v Speaker 1>various UFO groups that there are domed cities or other

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<v Speaker 1>such constructions here, well, if you look closely enough and

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<v Speaker 1>you want it enough, you can find dumb cities. Not

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<v Speaker 1>just about any world, Ain't that always the case? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Could we put a colony there though, if it were

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<v Speaker 1>entirely self contained and we had the you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the necessary technology, of course, possibly, but you get down

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that there are worse and better places

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<v Speaker 1>to consider in the neighborhood. But it wouldn't be like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put a colony on Io or something. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it means like you could do it, but they're better places.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, this world is the location of the monolith

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<v Speaker 1>in the original novel two thousand one of Space Odyssey.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so not wait, hold on the monolith the monolith

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth's moon or the monolith on Jupiter in orbit

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<v Speaker 1>around Jupiter. Right in the movie it's in orbit around Jupiter,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the book it was Saturn. But in making

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one space honestly, they couldn't get the

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<v Speaker 1>models to look right for Saturn's rings, so they changed

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<v Speaker 1>it to Jupiter. Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to look at the the media, the fictional

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<v Speaker 1>attention that has gone to Saturn versus Jupiter, and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Saturn is often it's almost like Saturn is

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<v Speaker 1>the heaven of our science fiction dreams of our future

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<v Speaker 1>Solar system, and Jupiter is more the hell Jupiter, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least the limbo. Yeah, like Jupiter is where the

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<v Speaker 1>Jovian moons. That's where you put weird bases and weird

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<v Speaker 1>weird colonies and mining colonies and maybe prisons. Saturn. For

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, it seems like there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>dreamy or stuff going on there, or maybe that's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my my read on some of the examples I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at. No, it is dreamy. You're exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we mentioned that earlier. It's the saturn An

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<v Speaker 1>imagery throughout popular culture and art and everything. It's very serene,

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<v Speaker 1>very dreamy, very pretty, kind of quiet silver light in

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<v Speaker 1>the background of space. Now we're gonna do a quick

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<v Speaker 1>fly by of the next moon because it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a whole lot to see there, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is worth pointing out as a strange landmark in the

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<v Speaker 1>sphere of Saturn, and that's the moon Hyperion. Yes, Hyperion,

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<v Speaker 1>despite its wonderful name, despite whatever whatever you might expect

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<v Speaker 1>of it, based on Dan Simon's Wonderful Hyperion books, which would,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, do not take place on this hyperiond

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:41.959
<v Speaker 1>I think it's alluded that a distant exoplanet named Hyperion

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>is colonized by individuals who are originally somehow tied to

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>hyperion in our Solar system, but totally different things, because

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>hyperion in our Solar system, as it orbits around Saturn,

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>is essentially a giant potato. Yeah. It's an irregular shaped

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's very small, about one point one times the

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<v Speaker 1>mass of Earth's atmosphere, not Earth, but the gas in

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere, about ten percent percent the width of Earth's moon.

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 1>It's not very big, and it's shaped very strangely, like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a spongy, low density sweet potato. Yeah. I've

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>seen it described as a large frozen rubble pile. Uh.

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>It's it's the largest of Saturn's irregular, non spherical moons,

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 1>and it's probably the remnant of a larger moon that

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>was destroyed by a major impact. So this is just

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>a junk, man, this is a rubble moon. We're not

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna land there. There's certainly nothing, no life to consider here,

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>but it's kind of worth the point out as we

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>continue our journey towards a far more interesting um planetary object. Yeah.

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Do you hear that sound? I think we're I think

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>we're coming in now. What is that sound? It's signaling

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the Titans. So Titan Titan is about the mass of

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>murk Cury, about one point eight times the mass of

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Earth's Moon, about a hundred and fifty of the width

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>of the Moon, the Earth's moon. It's spherical, obviously, and

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 1>it Saturn's largest moon, larger than the planet Mercury. And

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>this is the only moon that we're discussing today that

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>has been explored by a lander, by a human made lander,

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the Hygan's Tightened Lander, a beast of planetary exploration. There

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>are videos available online that show the landing imagery sent

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 1>back by the Hygan's probe. You should watch them, but

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>try to imagine a tighten landing. What this world is like.

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Unlike so many of the moon's that we've surveyed before,

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>this approach is very unique in the Solar System. On Titan,

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>we descend from orbit through a thick, cold atmosphere and

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>everything below is shrouded from our view from space by

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 1>this murky haze, and you descend through the freezing fog

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>and strong winds shake your ending craft. Yeah, this is

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the only moon in our Solar System that has clouds

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 1>in a dense atmosphere mostly nitrogen and methane, and the

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>atmospheric pressure is is about six greater than Earth, so

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 1>roughly the same as you would find at the bottom

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of a swimming pool. That's right, but that's actually so

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 1>that's heavy sounding to us, like you wouldn't want to

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>spend your life at the bottom of a swimming pool.

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>But it's tolerable. It's tolerable compared to almost everywhere else

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>in the Solar systems Venus. Yeah, so in Venus you

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 1>might have what like nine atmospheres or something like that.

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like a cure. Yeah, you couldn't survive. Uh, And

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>then other places there's almost no atmosphere atmospheric pressure to

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>speak of. It's nearly like being in a vacuum. Titan

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>is close. Yeah, this is the goldilocks finding the bed

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>or the porridge. That is. It's not ideal, but in

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a pinch, little my ears, but I can survive. But

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>so you land on Titan, you land in the middle

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of a net puatorial desert, and there's a strange sound

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and tactle sensation you experience upon touchdown, not a dry

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:13.959
<v Speaker 1>thud like hitting rock, but a splat the sound of

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the soil that you're landing on being wet. Welcome to

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>bog World. Now, it's maybe not exact exactly fair to

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>say bog world, because the soil isn't as wet as

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the mud you'd find in many bogs on Earth. But

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>relative to the rest of the Solar System, it's bog world.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Titan is bog world. And as far as we know,

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Titan is the only place in the Solar System other

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>than Earth that has beaches. Some planets have subterranean oceans

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>covered in ice a rock, right, We've talked about that,

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Some have frozen polar water ice or frozen ice surfaces entirely,

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>But Titan has liquid lakes on a terrestrial surface. However,

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>those lakes are not the water lakes we know love.

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Titan has a hydrocarbon hydrological system, which translates to seas

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and rivers of liquid methane. So in the equatorial region

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>there's this vast desert of ancient water waterways, ancient river beds,

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and dried up coastlines, and towards the poles you'll come

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>across clouds and storms and methane lakes. Now, Titan itself

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>is uh It's it's mass is composed mainly of water

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>in the form of ice and rocky material in fact

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Titan is so cold negative trees fahrenheit or negative celsius

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>that water essentially acts like rock and lava too on

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>our world. So the ground you walk on, I guess

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>it's ice mostly, but it is water water ice that

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>acts like rock. Yeah, so it's it's crazy to think

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 1>about that that it's this this It sounds like an

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>alternate dimension where everything is a little skewed instead of

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>instead of motions of water, it is. It's it's this

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>of substance. And uh. And and the rock is actually water.

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like everything's turned on its head in topsy turvy.

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Totally true. And that's actually something that's covered in a

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>fantastic lecture that I listened to given in two thousand

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>eleven by the NASA planetary scientist Christopher McKay about the

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>possibility of life on Titan. And Uh. I listened to

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>this lecture. I thought it was great, and I just

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted to cover some of the things he talks about

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and and maybe we can have a discussion about what

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:32.239
<v Speaker 1>they mean. But so in this Christopher McKay lecture, he

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>begins by noting a curious fact. So several years back,

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>we had detected that titans atmosphere features a hydrogen flux

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>towards the surface. That means there's hydrogen in the atmosphere

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and it appears to flow down to the ground and

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>then not come back up. So what's happening to the

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen on the surface of Titan. We will come back

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>to that question. So McKay talks about how all forms

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>of life needs some way of harnessing energy. So on

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Earth there are two primary strategies. You've got like photosynthesis, right,

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>capturing sunlight energy, and then you've got chemical energy redox

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>chemical energy. So life also needs several other things. It

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>needs carbon, you know, organic molecules to make its tissues

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.479
<v Speaker 1>out of for food and stuff like that. And it

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>needs liquid water. I've already discussed why that's a little

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>problematic here exactly. So there is gonna be no liquid water,

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and the main constraint on an environment being able to

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>host life on Earth is the absence of liquid water.

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 1>You can mess with all the other variables, and as

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>long as there's liquid water there, there's still probably going

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to be something alive. This is why world's with some

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>form of liquid water, sort of the hot spots of

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>solar system astrobiology investigation like Europa Enceladus, another moon of

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Saturn will get to in a bit. And the recently

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>discovered spongy wet spot that appear seasonally on Martian soil.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've read about that, but it's

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool, uh that they found that. You know that

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>there's some parts of the soil on Mars that seemed

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to thaw seasonally. So even if there's just occasionally liquid water,

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>there's more hope than in this world of Titan, which

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>seems to just be ever in the freezer. Yeah, but

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>McKay points out something interesting. It's not necessarily the compound

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 1>H two O itself. That's important because there are plenty

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of worlds full of completely frozen water ice that that

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>don't seem to be good candidates for for life. Life

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>is ultimately a subset of chemistry. It's biochemistry, and that

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>chemistry needs a liquid medium to take place in Liquid

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>is sort of like the canvas on which you you know,

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>paint the wonderful artistry of complex chemistry. So maybe it's

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>not water that's the key. It's just liquid. It's the

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>liquid phase of matter. So how about those methane lakes

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>on Titan. In many ways, Titan is analogous to Earth.

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>So Christopher McKay points out that, like Earth, that has

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 1>a nitrogen based atmosphere. And if you're saying, wait a second,

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought we had an oxygen atmosphere. Oxygen is only

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>about our atmospheric composition. About seventy eight percent of our

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is nitrogen, and if our atmosphere were entirely oxygen,

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 1>this would be a problem for you at high concentrations

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>at regular atmospheric pressure, oxygen pure oxygen's toxic. It'll destroy

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 1>your lungs. As we mentioned, it has roughly comparable atmospheric pressure.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Mackay compares it to being under fifteen feet of water.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>That sounds about right compared to what you said, right

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.919
<v Speaker 1>being at the bottom. So it's not like Venus, it's

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>not like Mars. It's it's not you know, it's not

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the nicest place to be compared to what we're used

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>to on Earth, but it's closer to Earth than anything

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>else we're aware of. It has a hydrological cycle with

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>clouds and rain storms. Now this is crazy. Yeah, I

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't usually think of anywhere except Earth having rain. Yeah,

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and here we're talking about what methane rains. I say, yeah, methane,

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>of course, so the methane is going to be H

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>four raining down from the sky. And speaking of methane,

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Titan is rich with organic compounds. Now this doesn't mean

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we know to be alive or organic compounds

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:19.959
<v Speaker 1>are just a sort of group name for carbon based

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>compounds like methane that are very often associated with life,

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>but they exist independent of life. You don't have to

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>have life to make them. But if you want carbon

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>based life to exist, these compounds need to be around.

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.919
<v Speaker 1>But the biggest difference is temperature, right, So average Earth

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.800
<v Speaker 1>temperature is almost two hundred degrees cintegrade more than average

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Titan temperature. So it's like a cold twin of Earth.

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.240
<v Speaker 1>All this stuff that you see going on on Earth,

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, the hydrological cycle, the chemistry of the atmosphere,

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff sort of has a cousin

0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>that happens on Titan. But it's the freezing cousin, the

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>much colder cousin, And that kind of makes you wonder

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>if one of Earth's main features life also has a

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>cold cousin. Uh So, this is a situation where we're

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>forced to to not dream of an entirely different form

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of life, but to say life as we know it

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:23.359
<v Speaker 1>existing on a slightly different world like but basically all

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>things being equal, If the parameters were skewed a little bit,

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>could a similar model of life still exists, Well, it'd

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>be life as we know it in one way, but

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 1>not in another. So it would be carbon based life.

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's life as we know it in that sense,

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>and we don't know of any other way that you

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>could possibly build life, you know, without carbon, though it

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>could be possible, we just don't know. Um. But it

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>is completely unlike Earth life in that all Earth life

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 1>is water based, and this would be methane based, so

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it would be it would be completely alien biochemistry in

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that sense, but not in the sense that we'd still

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>have to imagine it's based on carbon, because carbon is

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.720
<v Speaker 1>the only chemical basis we can think of for building

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>up the kind of complex molecules that we see in life.

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 1>So what did the Hygan's probe find when it landed

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 1>on Titan. Did it find microbes? You can guess no,

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>because we would have heard about that. But it wasn't

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>equipped to find microbes, so there could have been microbes

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>there and it wouldn't have known. It's not like it

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>came back so exactly. Um, and that might be a

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>problem if it did, because as as we now know,

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>it's very important to protect Earth from alien microbes. But

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the science behind the Hygans probe.

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 1>So we when we sent the Hyggans probe to UH

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>to Titan, we built it sort of like a raft,

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>as a floating boat like craft, because scientists thought that

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Titan was going to be covered in a in a

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>surface wide liquid ocean of methane. And the reason for

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>this is because they were able to detect previously that

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the app sphere was rich in methane. And atmospheric methane

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 1>doesn't last forever. It gets slowly destroyed by radiation from

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the Sun and transformed into other compounds. So you can't

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>have a methane atmosphere that just hangs around for the

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 1>entire lifetime of a planet, you know, four billion years

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.479
<v Speaker 1>or however old it is since Titan was formed, so

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>there has to be something on the surface to replenish it.

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>And from this they reasoned it looks like there's liquid

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>methane on the surface of Titan. Which is slowly evaporating

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>being processed turned into atmospheric methane gas. And so they thought, okay,

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 1>we'll drop a boat into these methane lakes and we'll

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>see what happens. But instead of dropping into lakes, it

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>dropped into the equatorial region of Titan, which was something

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 1>more like a desert. But the probe was able to

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 1>detect that it was not as totally desert like as

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.720
<v Speaker 1>it first seemed. As we mentioned before, the ground is soft, soft,

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>and damp, moist soil, and one instrument was also able

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to notice that methane steam was coming out of the

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:04.880
<v Speaker 1>soil where the relatively hot spacecraft was sticking into it. Okay,

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>so if there's liquid all throughout the soil, this liquid

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 1>methane throughout the soil on Titan, that seems like an

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 1>analogy to what we experience on Earth, where pretty much

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>anywhere there is moisture of any kind you can find life.

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>By by analogy, it seems like if there's life on Titan,

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 1>we should be able to find it all over the place,

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>even in the desert. Yeah, even in the desert, because

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>even in deserts on Earth, if there you know, there's

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>any water content whatsoever present, you're going to find some

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of life. So in his lecture, mackay asks, Okay,

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.240
<v Speaker 1>so if there's carbon based life on Titan that lives

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 1>in liquid methane instead of liquid water, how would we

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 1>be able to look for clues of this? And one

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>one clue is looking at atmospheric engineering. So you've probably

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>read about how in looking for exo planets, they've theorized

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>that one way we could look for life on exo

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.919
<v Speaker 1>planets is by looking for oxygen, right, because the pred

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 1>sense of anomalous oxygen is a sign of geoengineering by organisms,

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Like our atmosphere is not oxygen because of the physics

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.399
<v Speaker 1>of planetary formation. That wasn't it wasn't like that when

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Earth was formed. Earth's atmosphere is oxygen because it's full

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of critters like plants and cyanobacteria. Organisms change the atmosphere

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of our planet exactly. It's their waste, it's their waste product,

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 1>it's their poop, you know, So they there or I

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>guess they're they're breathing out, I don't know, however you

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 1>want to phrase it. They take in sunlight and CEO two.

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>They use the energy from the sunlight to split up

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the COO two, make body parts out of the carbon,

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and then spit out the oxygen as a waste product.

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And so you could look at the original oxygenation of

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Earth's atmosphere. Is this mass poisoning event? Uh? We just

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>happened to be the kinds of animals that evolved to

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>thrive amidst this mass poisoning and to work well with it.

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.439
<v Speaker 1>So how could we look for similar clues on Titan? Uh? Well,

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you would have to imagine what an organism that gets

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.360
<v Speaker 1>along in liquid nitrogen to do to make a living.

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>So you imagine a carbon based life form that lives

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 1>in liquid methane and imagine how does it eat? What

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>does it do? Well? Titan has tons of compounds on

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 1>it that make perfectly good food. One one example would

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>be acetylene, or another would be ethane. So if you're

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>an organism on Titan, food is just all over the place.

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 1>In McKay's words, food is quote falling from the sky.

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not not hard to get a meal there. But

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.240
<v Speaker 1>organisms like us get energy by a combination of eating food.

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.239
<v Speaker 1>So taking in these carbon based compounds and then breathing

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 1>taking an oxygen and then reacting that carbon and oxygen

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 1>to create usable energy and the molecules we need and

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 1>the waste product of CEO two. Our cold counterparts on

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Titan could perform a pretty much analogous process by reacting

0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 1>carbon based compounds and food with instead out of oxygen hydrogen,

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and that would create usable energy and then a waste

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 1>product containing carbon and hydrogen like H four methane. Uh So,

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 1>if there's life on Titan, mackay and his colleagues predicted

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that it would probably alter the chemistry of the surface

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 1>by depleting it of the compounds it eats and breathes,

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>like acetylene, ethane and hydrogen. And remember we started with

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that missing hydrogen, so that there's hydrogen flowing down to

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the surface and then disappearing. So the most fascinating possibility

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>is that some kind of organism at the surface is

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>consuming hydrogen spitting out methane as part of its metabolism

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and respiration, and that's how it gets along. Now we

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know. This isn't proof, right, we don't know that

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 1>there's something alive on Titan, but but it definitely makes

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Titan worth a closer look. I think we should send

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>more probes right, Oh, most definitely, we definitely, we should

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>definitely send more probes because one reason is always more

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 1>problem One reason, of course, is that you know, if

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>we find and this is something that McKay points out,

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 1>is that if we find life on Mars or Europa,

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 1>current life, past life, etcetera, there's a chance that it's

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 1>related to us. Right, but when in contemplating Titan, this

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 1>would be an entirely different form. It would be it

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>would be unconnected to us because it would be based

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>on a different biochemistry. Yeah, I mean there's no liquid

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>methane based biochemistry on that then, and there probably couldn't

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 1>be because Earth is just not cold enough. Like we

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.919
<v Speaker 1>look at at Titan and say, how could you live

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 1>on a world that cold? But any life form on

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.879
<v Speaker 1>Titan would look at Earth as like like we look

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 1>at Venus. You know, it's just this unbearable hell of

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>intense heat where you know, the stuff you need to live,

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the liquid methane you need it just it boils. You know,

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you can't you can't sustain it. So anyway, we mentioned

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 1>sending those probes, what what would they look for if

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 1>we did send probes? Well, McKay suggests one thing look

0:43:55.760 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>for evidence of the chemistry of life there. So uh.

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 1>The example he gives is that organisms on Earth we

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>get oxygen easy, but nitrogen is difficult for us to

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>come by, so we have enzymes that have to bust

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>up nitrogen into molecules in the atmosphere and make them

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 1>into ammonia in H three. Now, on a world like Titan,

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the problem wouldn't be getting uh, getting nitrogen making ammonia.

0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 1>It would be getting oxygen because there's no oxygen available

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 1>except that which is locked up in the frozen H two. Oh,

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the water ice that makes the rocky ground of this planet.

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So you'd see organisms with enzymes for melting water ice

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.839
<v Speaker 1>and getting that oxygen out of it. Uh. And then

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 1>another thing he finally suggests, is to scoop up organic

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 1>material from Titan and then look for biases in the

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>distribution of organic materials. You know, so looking for molecules

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>that are appearing an anomalous concentrations that wouldn't be explained

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 1>by inorganic chemistry, but would be explained if you're looking

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 1>at a place where the chemistry of the surface is

0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 1>being processed constantly by life forms. But the idea of

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>life on Titan is interesting to me because of how

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>cold it is, So we know there's a basic correlation

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 1>between heat and metabolism, right, So a life form that

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 1>lives on Titan is probably a very slow moving form

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 1>of life, slow metabolism, slow life cycle, slow evolution. And

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.240
<v Speaker 1>this kind of makes me wonder about weird thought experiment

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:36.920
<v Speaker 1>extending out from this, what would intelligent life that evolved

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>on a freezing, liquid methane world look like? Because in

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>many ways, I think our idea of intelligence is heavily

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>colored by speed. Right, So can you imagine an organism

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>that has as much technological and problem solving intelligence as

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 1>a human but does everything literally one hundred times slower

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 1>mm hmm, but but but potentially living a lot longer

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 1>as well. So I mean, I guess it all becomes relative.

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Then I guess it's it's just harder for us to contemplate,

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I have a hard time imagining something that's not

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a like whale sloth in this scenario and then wondering

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and then it's even a greater leap for me to

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>try to imagine this alien methane based whale sloth even

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 1>developing crude technology on this world, Like, yeah, it's just

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:37.399
<v Speaker 1>it's almost too much for me to fathom. I mean

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>sirens obviously. Oh yeah, well let us not speak of

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the sirens of Titan. But I I I agree with

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you about the difficulty of imagining you know, the whale

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>sloth Like. Um, I just tried to do some math here, like,

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 1>if a development happened in humans one million years after

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>the emergence of the species, did you expect a hypothetical

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>liquid methane alien world that did everything a hundred times

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 1>slower to reach the same development in a hundred million years. Well,

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't be ruled out by the age of the universe.

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 1>But then that sort of introduces questions about like, well,

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, I mean, how would you even get

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 1>a complex nervous system. Because it took life on Earth

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 1>what like four billion years to evolve from the first

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 1>self replicating molecules to technological intelligence. So would it take

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 1>life on a cold planet four hundred billion years? Uh?

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>And again, I'm just using a hundred times faster or

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 1>a hundred times slower as a hypothetical. I don't know

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly how slower it would be, but if it would

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 1>take something like that long, we've got a lot of

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a long time to wait before we meet these slow

0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:48.279
<v Speaker 1>moving organisms, because that's much older than the universe. Yeah,

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and again to say nothing of the various cataclysms and

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 1>extinction events that are likely to to occur in the

0:47:55.480 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 1>history of any life sustaining, life evolving world. So it

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>might very well be on the path towards creating this

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and then whammouh, some some body in Saturn's um gravitational

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 1>system just crashes into you and wipes everything out. But

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 1>then again, I also think of a very slow organism

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>as a very resilient organism. You know, it's just hard

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to put them down. Yeah, but you know, the right commets,

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:26.719
<v Speaker 1>commet strike, the right the right medior can certainly do that.

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Has anybody ever created a sci fi alien like that?

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of one, Like an alien that's

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 1>just amazingly slow. M hm. The nts sort of sort

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>of like the ants. Yeah, I'm I'm not remembering one

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>off hand. They tend to be This kind of alien

0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 1>would tend to be the the the the marginally experienced

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>alien in a in a rather you know, rich diverse

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:58.719
<v Speaker 1>pantheon of alien species like this would not be your

0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>central character because they're so unlike humans. This would be

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.759
<v Speaker 1>like the one character that you go to, uh, you know,

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 1>about halfway through the novel to get a little elder inside.

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.959
<v Speaker 1>I guess, well, it makes me think that there there'd

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>be a great creeping menace because imagine you colonize the

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:20.280
<v Speaker 1>world with some hundred times slower than you, cold cold

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>liquid methane, intelligent organisms. And at first it doesn't seem

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 1>like they're bothered by your presence. You can live in

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.840
<v Speaker 1>peaceful harmony. But it just took them a hundred years

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to decide that they were going to destroy you. Yeah,

0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 1>they would play a different you know, long term game. Uh.

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>And so I certainly have encountered that in fantasy novels before.

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, what happens when you have the great threat

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 1>does not have to doesn't have to worry about the

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 1>day to day, even year to year. I can sleep

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 1>for centuries and wait for the game, the game board

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 1>to improve and the situations to favor it once more.

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.920
<v Speaker 1>So you know, you could see a similar model, I guess, uh,

0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 1>with you know, interplanetary situation, interplanetary politics, and then a

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>great disadvantage we're always at. We gotta go get the groceries. Yeah,

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>so they can say, you know what, we can lose

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the next three hundred interplanetary elections. You know, for us,

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>that's just that's just a nap. It's small hyperions. One

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:23.840
<v Speaker 1>last thing I want to talk about for and we

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 1>mentioned future probes going to Titan. Definitely in favor of

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that Titan last I heard was not the top priority

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 1>for for future missions, but it's you know, it's something

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that's being discussed and and there are some proposals. But

0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:42.239
<v Speaker 1>one proposal for future exploration of Titans surface is the

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 1>use of a type of robot that I think is

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>really interesting. It's been referred to in the press as

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the super ballbot, but I like the design of this.

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I've talked about it on the other podcast I be

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 1>forward thinking before. But the robot design is a rover

0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that is based on what's called tin Segreti architect picture,

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and essentially it is a mobile robot that looks like

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.719
<v Speaker 1>a jumble of rods and wires. So if you just

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 1>made a tangled ball of sticks and wires connecting them

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 1>at the ends, that's what it would look like. And

0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it moves by tensing and relaxing the wires. So it

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of tumbles along on the ground rotumbweed exactly, and

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.799
<v Speaker 1>it's resistant to damage from hard landings and stuff, so

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 1>that this makes it an interesting design for a planetary

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 1>rover to explore. But I've also always thought this would

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>be a great design for a killer robot in the

0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 1>sci fi horror movie, Like just this this tangle of

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 1>rods and wires, and it's kind of cute, it's kind

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of funny. It just kind of tumbles up to you,

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>but then it wraps around you and ten tenses the

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>wires and then you're in trouble. Well, you know what

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 1>makes sense because there's at least one killer robot movie

0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that took place on the moons of Saturn. Saturn three

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.879
<v Speaker 1>um had Kirk Douglas in it. Oh, Michael, but Kirk,

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:57.880
<v Speaker 1>this is the movie. You sent me the trailer too,

0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and it has Harvey Kitel with like he's he's looking

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:05.279
<v Speaker 1>very slick in it. Yeah, he very Unharvey Kitel. Yeah,

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 1>he's he's not his least leazy role I think, and

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of flash Gordon aesthetic and he actually looks good

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 1>in it. Yeah. Fair Faucet in it as well, and

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that has a killer robot in it not the greatest

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:21.919
<v Speaker 1>killer robot from cinematic history. But you know, beggars can't

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.760
<v Speaker 1>be choosers, especially when you're looking at films that involve

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:27.919
<v Speaker 1>the moons of Saturn. Joe, it looks like we're coming

0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>up on Raya. Yeah, that's right. So Raya after Titan,

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Raya is going to seem like kind of a letdown

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Raya or Ria, I've seen it, said Ria also, so Ria,

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to downplay the beauty and majesty of

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 1>this wonderful moon. And so it's the second largest moon

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter, second largest after Titan. Of course, Titan being

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the largest, is about one six the massive Pluto, more

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:55.919
<v Speaker 1>than of the width of Earth's moon. It's spherical, uh,

0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:58.279
<v Speaker 1>in terms of life potential, there's not a whole lot

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:02.239
<v Speaker 1>going on here. It's and the sort of almost half

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:07.280
<v Speaker 1>lunicized sphere of water, ice and rock with relatively low density.

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 1>In many ways, it's comparable to the next moon we're

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna passone. And as far as surface features go, it's

0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>got craters and it's essentially a serene, beautiful cold sphere

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 1>cratered in silent Okay, and in a far on a

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 1>far lesser note. Apparently the latest Independence Day Independence Day

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:31.880
<v Speaker 1>resurgence involves at least a minor point about humanity building

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a defense outpost here. So I don't know why. Maybe

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.919
<v Speaker 1>it just seems like a nice boring place to put

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.640
<v Speaker 1>all those guns. I suppose you know, there's sort of

0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>like a if you pronounce it ray, Uh, sort of

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:48.080
<v Speaker 1>like ray sort ray gun. Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:50.920
<v Speaker 1>That probably makes us as much sense as anything. It

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense, Robert, makes so much sense.

0:53:55.400 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's spiral on in and move on to the next InterPlaNet. Yes, Dione,

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned, a small cratered moon mean radius of

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>about three two kilometers, And what we're looking at here

0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:13.400
<v Speaker 1>is a hard frozen lump with a dense core, probably

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a silicate rock, and the remainder of it is is

0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:21.439
<v Speaker 1>just ice water ice, a very fine ice powder that's

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:27.760
<v Speaker 1>basically like smoke from Saturn's e ring constantly bombards Dinny.

0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And the dust from the ear ring ultimately comes from Enceladus,

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:33.879
<v Speaker 1>which has prominent geyser activity that we discuss in a bed.

0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Great wisps mar the surface of Dione, and uh, these

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:43.960
<v Speaker 1>turn out these are actually bright canyon ice walls indicating

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:48.719
<v Speaker 1>pasta tectonic activity, and these ice cliffs could be a

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:52.080
<v Speaker 1>mature phase of the so called tiger stripes that are

0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:54.680
<v Speaker 1>encountered on Enceladus. Right, So we're gonna talk about the

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.320
<v Speaker 1>surface of Enceladus in a bit, But Enceladus is a

0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 1>is a younger, smoother kind of surface, but it does

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.839
<v Speaker 1>have these stripes along it. So you're saying like, if

0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:06.440
<v Speaker 1>if Enceladus were allowed to mature millions more years, it

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:08.800
<v Speaker 1>could end up looking more like some of the surface

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 1>features of Dione. Yeah, this is essentially the old boring

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 1>uh Enceladus. But nothing nothing in the sphere of Saturn

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>is boring. No, no, not boring, but the the less

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 1>interesting version of the same lunar idea. I guess we

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 1>are spiraling in faster and it's something we've got to

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.000
<v Speaker 1>acknowledge now. The next one is going to be the

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:33.760
<v Speaker 1>moon Tethus or Tethis uh so teeth. This is about

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 1>sixty five of the mass of the dwarf planet series.

0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty small, roughly thirty of the width of Earth's moon,

0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Roughly spherical, there's not a lot of suspected potential for

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 1>endogenous life on Tethus uh and and teeth. This is

0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 1>composed mostly of water ice with no real atmosphere. Is

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 1>this frozen ice ball tidally locked in orbit around Saturn.

0:55:56.880 --> 0:56:00.239
<v Speaker 1>But the coolest feature of teeth This is some thing

0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:04.319
<v Speaker 1>that I came across, I think last year. I was

0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.520
<v Speaker 1>reading about this and I just love it. I'm not

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 1>quite sure why. It's just a surface coloration feature, but

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:16.359
<v Speaker 1>in July, NASA reported that in enhanced color images from

0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the Cassini spacecraft there were a series of these arc

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:23.160
<v Speaker 1>shaped red streaks that could be seen side by side

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:27.799
<v Speaker 1>parallel on the surface of Teethus, and it looks like

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Freddy Krueger slashed the moon with his glove. It wasn't

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the first time the arcs had been seen. They've been

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 1>spotted faintly visibly as early as two thousand four, I think,

0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.640
<v Speaker 1>but this was the first time they were imaged really clearly.

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's fascinating because we were not positive what causes them,

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:46.200
<v Speaker 1>at least as far as I could find. And maybe

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.720
<v Speaker 1>somebody has a private theory somewhere, but I I couldn't

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:52.839
<v Speaker 1>find that these are explained yet. They they're probably geologically young,

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 1>these red streaks, because they cross over older features like craters.

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.480
<v Speaker 1>But what created them and why are they red in color?

0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Scientists don't know. So there was a NASA JPL press

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 1>release from that mentioned speculation on that they could be

0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:12.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe exposed ice with some kind of chemical impurities, or

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 1>they could be out gassing from inside teeth this but

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:18.680
<v Speaker 1>ultimately we don't know yet. All right, Well, let's leave

0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 1>this moon behind us and move on to uh one

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.960
<v Speaker 1>of we've already uh discussed a little bit, and that

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 1>is Enceladus, a moon about the size of Arizona. Yes,

0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>could fit within the borders of Arizona. Another way to

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to imagine the circumference of this moon, it is not

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 1>very large, is that if you were to punch a

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.320
<v Speaker 1>hole in the Earth along the borders of the state

0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>of Texas, you could drop And why would you want

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:45.240
<v Speaker 1>to do that, But just if you were to do it,

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 1>take a cookie cutter Texas sized cookie cutter punched out

0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that part of Earth, you could drop Enceladus through the whole. So,

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:55.120
<v Speaker 1>coming after some of the giants we've seen like Titan

0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and and Rhea, you might be kind of underwhelmed by

0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 1>its size, But do not be underwhelmed because Enceladus is

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.560
<v Speaker 1>quite interesting. Yeah. One of the crazy features here is

0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that Enceladus has hydrothermal vents that spew water, vapor, and

0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:14.240
<v Speaker 1>ice particles from an underground ocean beneath the icy crust

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:19.440
<v Speaker 1>of Enceladus, and the plume material contains organic compounds, volatile gases,

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, salts, and silica. And it's all

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 1>expelled out to a distance three times the radius of

0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Enceladus and at a speed of approximately eight hundred miles

0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 1>per hour or four d per second. It's a continuous

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:37.640
<v Speaker 1>eruption that continually refreshes the Moon's surface. Uh. And it

0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:41.120
<v Speaker 1>cloaks the entire Moon in an enormous halo of fine

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:44.680
<v Speaker 1>ice dust, which then in turn feeds Saturn's ear ring,

0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 1>which we mentioned earlier. Right, So the ear ring is

0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:51.560
<v Speaker 1>this outer ring around Saturn. You've seen those concentrated inner rings.

0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 1>That the ear ring is more this great vast haze

0:58:55.360 --> 0:59:01.200
<v Speaker 1>expend extending outward, uh from Saturn. And it's uh oh, oh,

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:03.680
<v Speaker 1>it's cool. I love the jets coming out of the

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.640
<v Speaker 1>south pole of this planet feeding this. And there's an

0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:08.960
<v Speaker 1>even cooler implication I want to mention in a bit.

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:13.360
<v Speaker 1>But there's another striking feature of Enceladus that you would

0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:16.440
<v Speaker 1>notice long before your spacecraft sets down if you're landing

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:20.560
<v Speaker 1>on the planet. Enceladus is the most reflective large object

0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 1>in the entire Solar System. It's like a bright mirror

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>reflecting the sun straight into your eyes. And Enceladus may

0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:33.080
<v Speaker 1>be alive, not the planet itself, as we discussed with

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the Appetus, but but something within the planet. So Enceladus

0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:41.439
<v Speaker 1>is believed to have a rocky core surrounded by a smooth, high,

0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:46.080
<v Speaker 1>highly reflective ice crust, but in between them, evidence indicates

0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the presence of subterranean oceans, much like other moons we

0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>observed around Jupiter. Now I've seen claims of both global

0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 1>subterranean oceans and regional regional subterranean seas positioned under the

0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:02.040
<v Speaker 1>South Pole um. But the way the ocean has started

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<v Speaker 1>to become intensely interesting to scientists, especially astrobiologists. Now, why

1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:11.080
<v Speaker 1>is that, Well, we've seen examples before where these where

1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:14.800
<v Speaker 1>these subworld oceans. I mean, we have liquid water, and

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<v Speaker 1>clearly we have we have jets of it, we have

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<v Speaker 1>we have activity going on here. There's energy taking place,

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<v Speaker 1>there's warmth, and there's liquid and there and there are

1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.920
<v Speaker 1>important compounds. As you mentioned earlier, what's in those plumes

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of the southern pole polar region of Enceladus. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cassini spacecraft detected organic compounds, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, salt, silica,

1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:42.000
<v Speaker 1>volatile gases. Uh, that's good stuff if you look in Live,

1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.360
<v Speaker 1>going right down the list, checking off many of the

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<v Speaker 1>key factors necessary for life as we know it. But

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<v Speaker 1>do we know it? No, we don't. And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cassini spacecraft is not equipped much like the Huygan's lander.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not equipped to detect to the presence of life,

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<v Speaker 1>but it can, it can look for clues. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>the material and these plumes go all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it falls back down to Enceladus. Forms this filmy

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<v Speaker 1>mist in space which you mentioned, becomes part of Saturn's

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<v Speaker 1>e ring. And I'd just like to point out that

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<v Speaker 1>if I understand this correctly, if it turns out there

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<v Speaker 1>is life in the subterranean ocean of Enceladus, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>being sprayed out in these jets. And if the jets

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<v Speaker 1>become Saturn's ring, one of the rings of Saturn is

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<v Speaker 1>a graveyard of alien microbes spread hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>miles into space. That is crazy to think of it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. It's crazy or it's awesome and it's creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, I think that's great. So much like Titan

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<v Speaker 1>to do the real exploration and discovery work about the

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<v Speaker 1>potential for life on Enceladus, we need another mission, got

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<v Speaker 1>to get back there. And I actually just recently read

1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:05.160
<v Speaker 1>a piece in Scientific American that was talking about one

1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:07.439
<v Speaker 1>of the people who's working on trying to plan such

1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a mission, the astronomer Caroline Porko. And this kind of

1:02:11.600 --> 1:02:14.880
<v Speaker 1>mission obviously is not easy to devise or or too

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<v Speaker 1>fund but best of luck to them all. Right now, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>as we as we leave this moon and make our

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<v Speaker 1>way towards our our next and final destination here our

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<v Speaker 1>final object of study, I do want to stress what

1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:31.040
<v Speaker 1>you're about to look at is not a death star.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a moon. It's not space station. It's a moon. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking of course about Minus. Then why are we

1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:41.440
<v Speaker 1>called an astractor beam. Well, we're gonna have some questions

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<v Speaker 1>then for for Minus. But but yeah, it basically Mimus

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<v Speaker 1>is big claim to fame is it's just a frozen

1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:51.880
<v Speaker 1>moon that looks a lot like the Death Star from

1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars. It's got this big crater that looks a

1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:57.080
<v Speaker 1>lot like the weapon that what would you call it?

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<v Speaker 1>The crater in the Death Star from which the planet

1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:03.760
<v Speaker 1>destroying em comes out? Yeah? Yeah. An enormous crater uh,

1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:06.480
<v Speaker 1>known as the Herschel Crater. It is a hundred thirty

1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:10.760
<v Speaker 1>kilometers or eighty miles while it dominates the landscape, giving

1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the world's appearance, the world an appearance of a great eye. Uh.

1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:18.280
<v Speaker 1>The crater covered moon is less than one miles and

1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:21.959
<v Speaker 1>on komes in mean radius, it has roughly the land

1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:25.760
<v Speaker 1>area of Spain. Not very big, not very big, And again,

1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:29.840
<v Speaker 1>most of this visible side is crater. It's not perfectly

1:03:29.960 --> 1:03:32.880
<v Speaker 1>round either, more of an an ovoid. The shape and

1:03:32.920 --> 1:03:36.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a low density suggests that it's consists almost entirely

1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of water ice, which is the the only substance we've

1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:44.080
<v Speaker 1>ever detected on Mimus. It's tidily locked. And this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's believed that the impact that created the Herschel

1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Crater probably came close to just shattering it entirely. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how because you know, a crater that big on a

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<v Speaker 1>world this small, uh, you know, it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>hair away from just breaking it into pieces. So should

1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:05.920
<v Speaker 1>that have happened, would it have become another ring of Saturn? Potentially? Yeah,

1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:09.400
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know exactly how the ring formation works,

1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:13.400
<v Speaker 1>so we don't know. I guess, well, um, if nothing else,

1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it might end up resembling, you know, one of like

1:04:16.080 --> 1:04:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the potato moon that we mentioned earlier. You know, we

1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:22.040
<v Speaker 1>might still have a sizeable lump, but it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser lump. It would be one of those, uh,

1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:27.360
<v Speaker 1>those other lump moons that we are not discussing in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, you know, among the among the fifty three

1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:33.480
<v Speaker 1>named moons of Saturn. Now, one of the interesting things

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<v Speaker 1>about Mimus, though, is that it should experience more tidal

1:04:38.520 --> 1:04:42.560
<v Speaker 1>heating than Enceladusts. And yet while that frozen world as

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed both geysers and uh and and clearly experiences

1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:50.120
<v Speaker 1>internal heat, Mimus is just an unchanging waste land of ice.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we should have mentioned about Enceladusts. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to mention that the the what is the

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<v Speaker 1>energy source? You know, why is there? Well, it's some

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<v Speaker 1>of the same explanations that we saw in some of

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<v Speaker 1>the moon of Jupiter. It's it's internal stress caused by

1:05:03.840 --> 1:05:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the orbit and gravitational influence around it. So it's got

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<v Speaker 1>a not perfectly circular orbit. There's some changing gravitational fields

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<v Speaker 1>and this causes stretching and flexing inside Enceladus that leads

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<v Speaker 1>to heat. Yeah, a lot of kinds of comparisons are

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<v Speaker 1>often made between what we know about Enceladus and what

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<v Speaker 1>we know about Mimus, to the degree that some have

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<v Speaker 1>speculated on the possibility of a liquid ocean in Mimus.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's such a small moon again, the size of Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's hardly the best candidate. But yeah, you could

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<v Speaker 1>say there's there's still an outside chance, and that's the case. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we seem to be passing Mimus at this point. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we were not trapped in attractor beam. However, we

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<v Speaker 1>do seem to be moving rather quickly towards the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturn. Now, Joe, oh, No, Saturn, which once seemed

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<v Speaker 1>quite serene and peaceful and beautiful, uh, glowing moons, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's frozen worlds and it's nice, you know, black

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<v Speaker 1>white harmony plant lunar body here. But yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's able to escape. If you notice that as we

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<v Speaker 1>get closer, Saturn is making a sound. Do you hear that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like, uh in Raiders of the Lost Dark,

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<v Speaker 1>that scene where they zoom in on the box with

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<v Speaker 1>the arc in it, and it's making that satanic miallmami allenoise.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't quite hear that over the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>one space honestly, monolith coral arrangement. But but that's because

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<v Speaker 1>I have headphones in and listening to that. I always

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<v Speaker 1>listen to that whenever I move in closer and closer

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<v Speaker 1>to a large, scary planetary object. Folks, I should let

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<v Speaker 1>you know that while we were working on this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert shared with me a fantastic mix that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a Saturn influenced electronic music mix that Robert, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to share this on the lane. Oh yeah, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>I will make sure that there's a link to this

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<v Speaker 1>in the landing page. I believe it came from the

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<v Speaker 1>the record label A Caci A uh. Definitely worth checking out.

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<v Speaker 1>They put out a number of cool, cool acts and

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<v Speaker 1>cool releases over the years, including some stuff from the

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<v Speaker 1>Weirding Module, which is one of my one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite musical acts out there. This thing definitely made me

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<v Speaker 1>wish that there was a good John Carpenter movie taking

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<v Speaker 1>place on a moon of Saturn. Yeah. Yeah, we need

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps we need more John Carpenter space movies, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying. More like Ghosts of Mars is what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>ghosts of Mimus, ghosts of Titans, one for each world.

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<v Speaker 1>Get to get ice Cube on the phone and Jason Statham.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So there you have it, the moons of Saturn. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you have both both the moons of Saturn

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<v Speaker 1>and the moons of Jupiter covered on stuff to blow

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<v Speaker 1>your mind. Now, there was absolutely no way we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to cover everything interesting about Saturn and its moons.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's tons more to learn out there, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly learning more. Yeah yeah, So so feel free to

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<v Speaker 1>look into this and research it yourself. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>should feel free. Don't let us tell you that that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't learn about saturny on your own, but away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we we do encourage you to do that because it

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<v Speaker 1>is a fascinating planetary system and all those moons are

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<v Speaker 1>great stuff. Uh and and I feel like we could

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten into even more about the rings somememb We

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<v Speaker 1>could probably do a whole episode just about the rings,

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<v Speaker 1>the ring, moonlits and everything like that. Yeah, indeed just

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<v Speaker 1>rings in general, because we could discuss other rings on

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