WEBVTT - Send in the Clowns (feat. Caleb Hearon) 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.559 Actually, when the valet came out, I was like, not know, 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.600 he's the second hot valet I've had in a row. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.360 I think he knows that, like our valet is like calms, 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.000 and I think he resents it. He definitely. I think 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:17.319 he hates that because we're not paying cash. Really yeah, 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.239 he tricked me. He goes, I'll retenders cash and I 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.079 was like, no problem, and I did it. I was 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.400 like whatever, I know. I was like, if that's what 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:33.519 you need. Today's episode feels a long time coming because 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.440 anyone who listened to this podcast knows that at least 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.360 once an episode, I threatened Frand's life. Yes you do, Yes, 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.760 you do, remarkably on the record at all times to 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.120 have threatened. But if Fran ever dies under mysterious circumstances, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.120 it was not me, but it might have been our 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.640 guest Caleb here in who's here to talk all about 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.200 John Wayne Gacy and gay murderers at large. I mean 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.360 both at large as in those who haven't been caught 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.160 and then just like game murderers as a cultural phenomenon 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.400 of course, and honestly, Ka, I mean we joke a 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.640 little bit about it. But Caleb is the person to 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.720 talk about game murders. Of course. Um. If you're not 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.960 familiar with Caleb's work, he's like comedian. He has an 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.200 amazing podcast called Keeping Records with his friend Shelby. He 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.520 was friends co star in a Muna and Phoebe Bridges 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.840 music video. Yes, that's where we met um. But yeah, 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.520 it's a pretty juicy convo. No pun intended in terms 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.280 of the juiciness of human flesh. So if you want 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.480 to hear all about Gaze who kill Um, you are 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.399 in luck because this is like a virgin the show 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.160 we give yesterday's pop culture Today's takes. I'm Rose, dam 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:48.200 you and I'm fran Toronto. Okay, Rose, I have to 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.920 say last week we were looking for Tea on drag 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:56.160 Race and one of our loyal virgins sent sent some 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.600 t to us. Are we about to blow up their spot? 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.760 Do they work on drag Race and we're like going 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.480 to get them fired? Or RuPaul is going to kill them? No, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.920 I'm I From what I understand, it feels like some 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.120 very general Reddit t so we can just continue to 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:16.520 say allegedly, So this was this was concerning our grapes 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:22.600 that the queens are not getting any constructive criticism, none whatsoever, 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.359 nothing even slightly negative, and even the stuff some of them, 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.240 some of them are not, let's be clear, performing well yeah, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.799 and and and some of the even sometimes they even 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:38.560 start to say something that could be considered constructive and 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.760 then they have to end the sentence with a positive 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.240 and it just feels so forced and unnatural because we've 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.399 been watching these judges do what they do for eons 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:55.079 without ever having to be and also it's drag everything. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.160 So the t that was spilt to us was I mean, 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.120 first off, we were told that like, this season of 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.520 production has been extremely difficult to produce, and that all 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.919 the girls are winners and therefore legends and stars but 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:13.320 also probably divas. But apparently the first two or three 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:18.600 episodes did have actual like critiques and constructive criticism, but 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:24.359 they were retroactively edited out because Raja basically like put 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.320 her foot down, I mean allegedly put her foot down 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.440 about the whole thing. Queen who shall not be named 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.800 on a television show that will not be named, Well, 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.080 I think it's important that it's Rajah. Well, you know, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.720 Rajah literally has a show in which she criticizes people's looks. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.400 I know that's so crazy, and she also is like 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.040 truly the legend of the season, and I've been kind 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.520 of shook that she hasn't one. I felt like she 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.720 deserved to be in the lip sync for two of 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.560 these episodes. Um, and she's been a little snubbed in 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.640 my opinion. But anyways, Raja took a stand against the 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.720 judges and was like, hey, we're not going to take 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.440 this ship anymore, like we will not be critiqued to 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.480 this degree or whatever. And she said, quote unquote allegedly, 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.640 we don't need you, you need us, And there was 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.800 like kind of like organizational fury among the queens. Well, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.560 that's true. And I think also, if I'm remembering correctly, 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.359 what that person said in this message was that because 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.520 this is all Stars, all winners, these queens spent so 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.200 much money, yes on their looks to be there, and 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.640 we're like, you are not going to rip us to 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:37.240 shreds when we have invested all this to make your 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.840 TV show. Because the queens, I think everyone kind of 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.680 knows this. It's not like the queens get given a 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.240 budget with which to put together their looks for the 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.480 runways and for the challenges, like they invest all that 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.600 money themselves. I think there's like I wish that there 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.320 had been some sort of balance to strike because like 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.920 in I'm thinking a lot of a door to Lano 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.760 and how how shell shocked she was when she came 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.320 to All Stars Too and was like, I don't belong here. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.280 My sister Michelle, who I love and adore, is like 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.720 being a TV mom and really mean to me, and 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.600 it was something that she emotionally could not handle, you know. 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.880 She was just like in terms of like how criticism 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.560 functions on the show, like it broke her. And I 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.520 feel like there's something that is really severe that the 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.160 Queen's experience that like I'm not privy to, so I'm 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.360 willing to accept that that there's like, you know, maybe 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.680 more nuanced than how they should be critiqued. However, it's 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.960 not interesting anymore, like the runways. That's what's the point 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.560 of having the judges there. It's really not And there 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.320 is a way to make it work, both, I think, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.279 when they're actually shooting it and in the edit, because 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.720 by the time they get to the final runway of 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:52.120 the season, in every normal season, they might throw in 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:56.359 like one or two constructive things, but it's still uniformly positive, 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.520 because what they're saying is like, if you've gotten to 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.760 this point, you are the best of the best, So 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.000 we might give you like small little tweaks and nudges, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.680 but for the most part, it's all good. And I 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.320 think the show could have been like that. I'm not 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.760 saying these girls deserve to be torn to shreds, but not. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.720 Everything they're doing is good. And this is still a 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:23.240 drag competition TV show, yes, And the steaks of the 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.520 game are not high enough, and they're alluding to a twist, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.719 and I'll feel like the twist is a fake out, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.599 and like I'm just like I want twists, i want thrills, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.360 I want chills, and I'm not sure the season is 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.520 going to give it to me. And it is getting 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.520 boring speaking of a show that actually has shade and 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.240 negative critiques on the judges panel. Um, I am all 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.360 caught up on Legendary and I have to I have 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.680 to give you just a quick, little, a quick little 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:53.040 glimpse into how it's going. So in accordance with what 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.680 we first talked about, it's like, not the best season 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.480 of Legendary in terms of the competitors, but like the 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.600 top three and top four of this show, which spoiler 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.480 alert I'm about to say them are House of Juicy Guitur, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.640 House of rev Lan, and House of Yamamoto, which were 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.480 like my top threes, and they are really that good. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.080 They have done like some of the best performances that 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:18.840 I've ever seen in the history of the show. There 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.120 was this one performance that was a kind of fairy 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:25.200 tale interpretation of like Rapunzel, but like she had brave, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.240 like really long kind of like braids, and like it 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:33.440 was so so seamless and gorgeous. But um, whoever is 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.760 booking the guest judges for this show like needs to 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.360 be held accountable because like there have been amazing people 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:45.160 like Issa Ray, Bob the Drag Queen, Kelly Rowland, Um, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:50.560 Dominique Jackson, Leslie Jones, and then out of nowhere, some 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:58.480 white guy named Jake Wesley Rogers who was introduced as 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.080 the next Elton John on which, first of all, no 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.880 thank you, um. Second of all, it's like some white 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.040 guy in like you know, a feather bow up moment 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.960 who gave a full performance on the show because now 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.080 guest judges, I guess apparently give performances and then sat 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.000 at you know, his little chair and like, you know, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.120 basically did nothing, had no connection to ballroom, had no 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.720 connection really to the show, didn't really know what he 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.440 was talking about, and his performance was bad. At In 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.760 his like piano ballad, he talked about like if Marcia 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.600 and Sylvia could be with us now, like blah blah blah, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.319 like something kind of like crazy weird like white ally 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.360 ship like anthem music. But it was infuriating because I 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.679 went and googled this man and he has a hundred 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.440 thousand followers on Instagram, and I was like, this person 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.880 is like not even like famous, like this is like 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.360 an influencer question Mark. Well maybe he's like I don't know, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.280 legendaries on HBO, so maybe he's like some new like 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.120 Ward or is like artists they're trying to push. How 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:07.200 all those like back door things happen. People get attached 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.800 to shows to like promote them. I definitely think that's 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.600 what's happening, because it is. It was ugly to behold, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.880 and I was like, why are you here? Um, speaking 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.199 of which I had no idea Kekie Palmer did music, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.480 or rather maybe I did, and I forgot. Did you 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.440 know that she does seem like one of those triple threats, 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.040 you know, one of the one of the actors, one 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.199 of the stars who can do it all, which I 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.920 actually have been thinking about a lot this weekend of 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:41.120 a time when stars were stars, because I revisited the 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.000 two thousand three filmed Down with Love this weekend with 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:48.199 our friend La La and you and McGregor and Renee's 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.679 Elwigger are in it, and I was just remembering a 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.959 time when like the real stars could do it all, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:10:00.320 They could act, sing, dance, they were triple thre us. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.160 If you want an in depth um rundown of my 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.800 take on Down with Love, I did make a TikTok 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:11.319 about it. Yeah, so feel free to lit to virgins 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.079 go watch that, But I mean baseline like it is 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.360 one of the best movies ever made, um perbetly and 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.079 so many times on the pot about so many and 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.800 it reminded me how obsessed I was with you and 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:32.600 McGregor post Mulan rouge, and I think I'm I'm back 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.199 on my you and bullshit. I finally started. This all 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.560 happened because our friend La La and I were going 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.200 to watch Obi Wan Kenobi, the New Star Wars show, 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.160 and then somehow we're like, actually, let's watch it down 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.720 with love and staid. Um. But I did start watching. Yeah, 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.120 I did start watching Obi Wan Kenobi yesterday. But I 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.280 love you and McGregor. Have you ever seen Velvet Goldwine? No, 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.439 I've never even heard of that. It's very gay. You 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.160 need to watch it. Also, something very gay that I 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:09.480 watched this weekend was one one Dalmatians, the Glen Close version, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.199 Glen's version, which have you still have never seen? I 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.079 have never seen it? Um. I know I probably should 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.280 have because I did go into such a spiral after 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.640 Cruella came out last year. But yeah, I'll find some 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.319 time soon and watch it, honestly now that now that 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.120 I have so much more free time on my hands 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.360 after our episode, you did end up watching Fatal Attraction, right? No? 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.680 Oh you didn't? Okay, Well, they're very like my list. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.319 They're very double features. To me, Fatal Attraction to to 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.600 one hundred one Dalmatians is like there's a distinct through 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.199 line there. Um, well, the through line is Glenn Close. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.280 That I mean Glenn Close inhabiting a very specific character 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.280 that I think, you know, I think it's very nuanced 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:54.920 and beautiful, and I think when I was a kid. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.959 In watching this movie, it's just it's a cartoon, you know, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.319 I mean like it's live action, but it's there. The 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.719 actings ry cartoonish. It's very silly. It's a lot of 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.959 physical comedy. But watching it as an adult, first of all, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:12.280 Glenn isn't full drag and she's playing like a mean, pompous, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.520 like elitist like editor in chief like years before Miranda 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.880 Priestley existed, And I thought that that was like so 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.520 something that I hadn't really thought about. Um, But also 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.360 like obviously Glenn is getting giving a performance of a lifetime. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.280 But um, the guys that play like the Henchman, which 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.720 are Hugh Laurie and the guy that plays Mr Weasley 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.480 and Harry Potter, are like the guys that are trying 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:43.640 to basically like capture the dogs. They are giving physical 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:48.199 comedy that is so like Home Alone level good and funny, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.880 like still funny to this day as an adult that 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.520 like I'm feeling like honestly like physical comedy. It deserves 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.520 to be like in the prestige acting category, like these 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:05.920 actors are empty. I mean, yeah, it is a little empty, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.360 but that's it's it's a little It's a little kid's choice, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.640 like they should. They're they're getting they're getting slimed. They're 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:19.320 not getting They're not getting prestige. Honey, slime that drop 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.480 drop dropped the slime. But I just had to, you know, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.400 have a moment for them. I wish I could slime you. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.120 I would probably hate that unless it was like for money. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.079 I really hate being like dirt. I think I have 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.760 been slimed before, um because there used to be a 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.040 sort of like Nickelodeon experience at Universal when I was 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.719 a kid, and I do remember getting slimed in and 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.960 around the time that I got to visit the set 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:50.439 of Galagala Island. Oh I missed Galagala Island. Maybe we 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:56.959 should should we go now to Galagala Island Island? Since 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.920 we just spontaneously erupted into song, I do feel like 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.600 it is a good time to have Kate Bush enter 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.680 the chat um. If you have been on the internet 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.959 any time since Stranger Things came out, you will know 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.880 that Kate Bush was a big part of the new 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:18.439 season and has made a cultural resurgence. She's been on 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.200 the Billboard charts like she's been charting everywhere, running up 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.680 that Hill, and there's I don't even know how how 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.480 real this is that some people are like, oh no, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.520 we had to gate keep Kate Bush, we can't let 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.320 everyone know about her. Um, that might just be like 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.240 more of a meme. But if there are people who 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.680 are saying that, like, please shut up, it is. It 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.640 is incredible that I was in the car the other 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.120 day and Kate Bush came on the radio. Not not 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.600 an oldies channel, not like an eighties channel, she was 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.520 just on the radio, and it was that was incredible. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.560 And anything that gets more people to listen to Kate 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.600 Bush and and like especially a younger generation that will 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.920 carry her music on so that it lives forever, that 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.400 is a good thing. Kate Bush deserves that. And also, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.160 Kate Bush is not like a secret She's not I 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:21.000 was not an underground artist. And it is amazing that 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.920 every other TikTok I see Running Up that Hill is 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.240 the background music. I agree, And you know, I'm someone 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.120 who usually loves to get keep, but I I feel like, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.480 I mean, obviously, you know, when Poes had Running Up 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.880 the Hill as a thematic through line in the first season, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.120 I honestly I felt more compelled by that so like, 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.960 I'm like, you know a little like I roll about 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.240 the Stranger Things, but obviously Stranger Things is a much 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.040 huger phenomenon. So I mean, I love watching Kay transcend 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.040 over and over again. Even though you know, you and 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.400 I have been she's been our number one, you know, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.840 always and forever. Wait, what did we decide? Kate Bush's 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.640 stand base is called Lion Hearts. That's that's what we're 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.800 called Lion Hearts. I love that. And also some of 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.000 her other music is also entering the charts, like Wathering 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.720 Heights has started to chart. And also here's some other 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.320 Kate Bush songs that need the running up that hill treatment. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.320 Rubber band girl, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. I just 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.960 want girl, no no no, put some others, put some others, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.880 give us a few more, give us a little digest. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.920 I don't know. I do think we need like a 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.880 big Weathering Heights moment and maybe um and you're gonna 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.320 roast me for this because I've already tweeted it, but like, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.640 I think that if the kid Bush of sons can 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:44.000 lead to us finally getting a big budget Wathering Heights adaptation, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.080 which like somehow has never bag. I mean I'm sure, 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:49.960 like a virgin will fact check me on that. I'm 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.640 sure there's like some fucking like BBC mini series of it, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.480 but I think we need a contemporary Weathering Heights adaptation. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.400 I'm offering myself up to be a right or on it. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.320 I'm seeing like an eight episode limited series. Um, that 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:08.119 would be incredible. I'm in I would love that that 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.600 that she needs some she needs many adaptations. I would 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.520 love to honestly see a k Bush Jukebox musical, even 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.840 though those are all kind of horrible, but I would watch. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.720 It's funny because like usually it's like we'll bring someone 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.840 and I'll be like, let's talk about Twilight, Let's talk 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.520 about America's next top model, and um, when I was 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.080 like we should have Caleb as guest, we were like, 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:39.240 what should we talk about? And I was like, well, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:44.040 Caleb talks a lot about John Wyne Casey. Look, look 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.360 I'm ready to talk about And I did some research. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.640 I watched like four episodes of the Peacock documentary Last 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:57.480 Thank You, So I feel like I am terrorized. It's insane. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.320 I feel like I was you know, I was watching 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.560 my sister on screen. Yeah, my sister John yes, Sister 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.240 in Christ. John Wayne Gacy was first and foremost funny. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.800 He was funny. He like literally in those if you 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.320 watch there's a there's a long Peacock docuseries, then there's 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.239 now a Netflix one as well. I've watched both of them. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.000 John Wyn Gaycy has some of the funniest because they 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.200 have like interviews with him and he just would say 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.520 like he at one point was like it was like 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.440 everyone thinks that I did the clown stuff so that 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.600 I could find victims, and that's not true. I did 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.760 clowning because it was fun. He's like, it's truly like 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.000 it's the same energy as if you just like photoshopped 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.880 in like the drag Race confessional background, like it would 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.399 work incredibly well. Which which one is better? Do you 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.680 think the Peacock one is better? The Netflix one? I 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:51.040 think probably the Well, it's hard because the Netflix one 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.040 is really like if you really want to get in 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.879 the details, like they're like like they do like timelines 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.040 and family like victim family involved. The creative direction is 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.560 a little better too, Yeah, the Netflix. The Netflix one 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.879 is like, um, I would say, more of an undertaking. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.040 So that's more about the totality of the victims, and 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:10.880 I kind of feel like the peacock one is more 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.119 about him. Yeah, yes, yes, okay, you hear from the 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.600 victims families. I want, I want, I want both. I 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.960 also want more details about how he killed them. It's 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.480 not bad. I mean no, that's very you. I mean no, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.560 no offense. But you do have a lot of murderer vibes. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.080 Thank you. I've always something about you. Oh my god, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.920 I say Rose has killed before, We'll kill you. That's 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.600 what I say. It's amazing that they were like that. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.680 Everyone was like, wow, Clownary, that's so insidious, and He's like, no, no, no, 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.440 you guys, I just genuinely loved clown. I just loved 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.280 to He also says. He also says, um, people call me, 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:51.360 people call me the gay killer clown. I'm bisexual. Yeah, 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:55.040 thank you. I love that visibility for my community. Yeah, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:20:02.800 bisexual bisexual clowns. Just bisexual clown killer conrad sexual. Um. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.560 But yeah, I I learning the thing that the biggest 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.760 kind of like takeaway I got at least from John 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:14.080 Wayne Daisy himself was like, look, look look like I'm 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.280 not like a bad guy, like not a monster. I've 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.800 just killed thirty three people, like it was a matter 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.119 of fact to him. It was like a thing he 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.680 did once. Yeah, I like when I'm they're talking to 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.800 him the documentary and his sister has found out that 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:27.840 he has been arrested, and she asked him if he 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.280 killed someone, and they still thought that he had only 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.159 killed one person, and she asked him, did you kill anybody? 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.479 And he went uh huh, like he didn't say yes. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:40.200 He didn't say no. He said sure did well. He 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:46.520 also yep, it's giving yes. He also went to he 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.040 went to prison. If you if for listeners, if you 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.840 um all my fans out there who are listening to um. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.280 He went to prison in Iowa for like committing like 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.800 a sex crime against a young boy. And then so 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.320 to me and then he and then he in prison 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.199 like charms the staff. He like, they like start they 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:07.920 let him become the head chef. He like gets a 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.360 mini golf course and he literally gets a mini golf 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.719 course installed at the prison. Wait, and then they let 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:18.520 out that's like queer eye. He queer eye queer And 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.719 then they let him out early because they liked him 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.639 so much, like yes, and then he went to Chicago 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.320 and killed a bunch of people came into federal prison 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:32.080 and he said, look, this wallpaper just will not do. Caleb, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.760 when did you fall in love with John Wayne? Yeah, 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.119 was because I know that it's like a deep and 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.159 somewhat sexual kind of love, right, And I would refute that, 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:46.280 but it's your podcast, so that idea. You heard it 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:50.320 here first, you heard it here first, Breaking Breaking. I 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.159 mean basically, I really was like, I'm infatuated with the 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:55.960 fact that he's fat. Like I was like, Oh, a 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.480 fat person who did something so evil. I think that's 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.520 so interesting because a lot of like a lot of 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.919 um killers I guess shouldn't say a lot, but there 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.320 are a number of killers who like won people over 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.080 by like like Ted Bundy, you know what I mean. 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.639 Like he was everyone said, Jeffrey Dahmer, Yeah, my god 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:19.800 was hot. No, I mean you're so sexy. You don't 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.240 kill people. Don't do that. As an aside, though, like 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.560 all every single documentary ever made about a murderer, like 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.400 it's always like people like but he was so classically handsome, 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:36.639 like his blue eyes, he was and looks like a booger. Everyone, 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.440 everyone with John and Gacy was like, well, he really 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.399 ran a parade you know, like he like organized a 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:44.399 parade in Chicago and people are really charmed by that. 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:46.440 And I'm just like, oh, that's fascinating to me. And 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.600 he lured people in by they worked for him. He 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:54.200 had a contracting company, one of many businesses. He also, 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.919 I think owned some kfc s. He was a CEO. 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:03.960 He was Yeah, he was on his girl Boster forget. 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:11.680 And he did the idea of being alive. He kept 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.119 the idea of not being sexually assaulted and killed anyone 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.200 ended it. Okay, so you were fascinated by this charismatic 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:22.159 killer um and and what you know what, Like it's 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:23.960 funny because like I think the first or second time 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.200 we met you brought it up. I think maybe the 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.040