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Speaker 1: come out. And then the second reason is I am

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Speaker 1: obsessed with the fact and I'm scared to say this

425
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Speaker 1: publicly because I don't want someone to do it before

426
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Speaker 1: I get a chance to be a part of it.

427
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Speaker 1: I am completely confused a byt the fact he doesn't

428
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Speaker 1: have a biopic. I here's the thing. I mean, I

429
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Speaker 1: think we talked about this when we first when we

430
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Speaker 1: first like when we were at that like bonfire thing,

431
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: and there is unfortunately satired he had and there's a

432
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: really good there's a really good movie in that. Yeah. Absolutely,

433
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Speaker 1: I'm shocked. Well because I think the closest that's come

434
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Speaker 1: is um the Freak Show season of American Horror Story

435
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Speaker 1: where they had the clown. But yeah, I am. I'm shocked.

436
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Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy, how haven't tried it? Probably just because John

437
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Speaker 1: Wayne Gazy isn't hot. I'm I'm telling you, there's some

438
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: fat He's like, I can't cast any of the burnette

439
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Speaker 1: people with very defined eyebrows that I like to cast

440
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Speaker 1: in movies. Um, Like, he just kind of cast the

441
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: exact same guy, like over and over again. Right, It's like,

442
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a bunch of brunettes. Well, hang on,

443
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Speaker 1: have you seen that? Have you seen to have? I've

444
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Speaker 1: been on tumbled in the past twenty years. I think

445
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Speaker 1: that it's crazy. It's never biopic. I think the John

446
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Speaker 1: Wayne Gacy biopic will go hard, like a gritty dark

447
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: like there, I'm it'll happen. I don't have That's how

448
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: you'll win your Oscar, Honey. If you think I haven't

449
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: said this before, I mean, biopics are a great way

450
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Speaker 1: to go if you want to win an Oscar. But

451
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Speaker 1: the thing is okay, I know I saw Bohemian Rhapsody unfortunately,

452
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: thank you. When actors actresses like decide to play murderers,

453
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Speaker 1: it's always like why you know what I mean, because

454
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Speaker 1: they want to win awards, Like it's that that Charlie

455
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Speaker 1: has won her oscar you know she like got ugly

456
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: to play Eileen Warnos queen. Yeah. What always like when

457
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Speaker 1: zac Efron played I can't remember who he played, Ted Bundy,

458
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Speaker 1: and then Evan Peters is going to be in the

459
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Speaker 1: New Ryan Murphy Jeffrey Dahmer. Evan Peters plays a murder

460
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Speaker 1: and like everything I feel it's true. It's a way

461
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Speaker 1: to prove your seriousness. I think. I think people go

462
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Speaker 1: because like zac Efron needed to prove a seriousness from

463
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: the Disney era, right, Um, Like I think, yeah, it's

464
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Speaker 1: a way for people to go, oh they can actually

465
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Speaker 1: they can actually act, you know. I think it's like

466
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Speaker 1: a big turn for people and we love now well

467
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Speaker 1: now the culture is so much about um empathizing with

468
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Speaker 1: the murderers and figuring out the psychology of why they

469
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Speaker 1: did what they did. We have this huge cultural preoccupation

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Speaker 1: with true crime. Um. I think both like fictional and

471
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Speaker 1: you know documentary, So yeah, I do. It does feel

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Speaker 1: like these two John Wayne Gacy shows are a sign

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Speaker 1: that this is a story we will be exploring more,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like we've had like five Ted Mundy things,

475
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Speaker 1: We've had a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmer things. Now now

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Speaker 1: I think it's sending in the clowns, sending the clowns,

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Speaker 1: send to send in the clown So how how would

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Speaker 1: you play him? Uh? Well, do I have the Do

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Speaker 1: I have the depth to play John Wayne Gacy? Absolutely?

480
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Speaker 1: But but but do I have the desire? Yes? But

481
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Speaker 1: do I ultimately think it's gonna happen? I think so too.

482
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Speaker 1: The movie about him would be a movie about the

483
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: double life of it, all right, the charming like seeing

484
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Speaker 1: him as as the who the world thinks he is,

485
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Speaker 1: and then it has to be a very specific turn

486
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Speaker 1: when you see him as he actually is, like this

487
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Speaker 1: horrible monster. And I think there's a there's a part

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Speaker 1: in the documentary that it is a really good there's

489
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Speaker 1: a really good way to do it that I think

490
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Speaker 1: is the only way to do it. So unfortunately I'll

491
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Speaker 1: have to write the screenplays. Yeah, it's really because even

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Speaker 1: in the documentary um. When he's describing how he actually

493
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Speaker 1: killed people, it's still very like he's so normal. When

494
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Speaker 1: he's talking about the turn a kit he made to

495
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Speaker 1: strangle them, it's just like he's talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: like one of his construction jobs. It's so matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: And I just wonder what it was like when it

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Speaker 1: was actually happening. I wonder if he maintained that while

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Speaker 1: he was murdering these people, or if he became scary

500
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Speaker 1: scary clown killer the Netflix. The Netflix documentary talks they

501
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Speaker 1: interview a guy who got away. Yeah, the interview of victim,

502
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Speaker 1: like a potential victim horrifying. Oh, I watched that area.

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Speaker 1: I watched. I watched documentaries about everything. Documentaries are like

504
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Speaker 1: mostly what I watched. And I will say that that

505
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Speaker 1: moment when he was talking about, like he talks about

506
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Speaker 1: when John Wayne Casey was probably about to kill him

507
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Speaker 1: I had to turn, I was like, I actually I

508
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: cannot watch this right now. It was really horrifying. Yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch it as soon as I was already

510
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: in a dark when we have to prepare for this

511
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Speaker 1: episode about a rough week mentally like been in a

512
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Speaker 1: dark place, I was like, oh great, now I have

513
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Speaker 1: to learn about John We were we frands the other night.

514
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Speaker 1: We were emailing my therapist about Alexa proviscriped and like,

515
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Speaker 1: I'm like watching a Docky series about John Wayne Gaze.

516
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm like, I don't know something

517
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Speaker 1: about my job, my chosen profession. The other night we

518
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Speaker 1: were at friends and like I was going through it

519
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: and we were like trying to figure out something to watch,

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Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, we're recording with Caleb this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I guess we should try to watch the John Wayne

522
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Speaker 1: Gayzy talk. And I think we both looked at each

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Speaker 1: other and we're like, not now now. I also want

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Speaker 1: to let the listeners know. I have a couple of

525
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Speaker 1: notes for the listeners. The first is that the I

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Speaker 1: was asked to do the podcast, I said yes, of

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Speaker 1: course I would love to the podcast, and then you

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Speaker 1: guys producer emailed me and said, we really think you

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Speaker 1: should do gay Killers. Don't have talked about anything. I

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Speaker 1: did not do that. I talked about anything. Emails Phoebe

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Speaker 1: pro user. Phoebe really pushed that hard. You are open

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Speaker 1: to anybody, like Pope said, we will die if you

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Speaker 1: don't do kill. What is the other thing you would

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Speaker 1: have done I would have done anything. I don't I

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Speaker 1: would have done anything. So so Brand's Brand's telling the

536
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Speaker 1: listeners like I was in a a dark place, but

537
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Speaker 1: Caleb made me watch this for his episode. I'm like, please, baby,

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Speaker 1: I would have talked about I would have talked about

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00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: the history of high heels. I would have talked about

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Speaker 1: an actress in a movie. No, okay, this is like

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Speaker 1: like a Virgin is a freeform podcast, okay, And for

542
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Speaker 1: the Virgin at home, we we do not non consensually

543
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Speaker 1: forced topic sign two potential guests, producer Phoebe will be reprimanded.

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Speaker 1: Just kidding. We are a non punitive organization. We love

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Speaker 1: you had let's talk about I mean, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk more about but also like, what would the other

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Speaker 1: topics have been? Curiosity? Truly, I was truly. Phoebe was

548
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Speaker 1: like what about this? And I was like, I was like, yeah,

549
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: that's fine. Like I was come talking about anything. What

550
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Speaker 1: would the other topics have been? I'll throw out some

551
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Speaker 1: right off the top. Julia Roberts in general, in general,

552
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: she's done everything for us. Aeron Rockovich, she has Julia

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00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Roberts and like, the thing is that there are no

554
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: more Julia Roberts is there, will never be There will

555
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: never be never. And it's also so sad that she's

556
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Speaker 1: doing a show on like Cinemax right now or something.

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00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: I've never watched that Homecoming show with the wig. I

558
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: never will. I think this golden age of A list

559
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: actors on TV has maybe run on a little long,

560
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: and I want them back back in theater. I want

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Speaker 1: it to be like how when you see previews now

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00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: and they say exclusively in theaters and it sounds like

563
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: a threat because of COVID. That's what I want for

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00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts, exclusively in theaters. My put my A List

565
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: is back on the big screen. Yeah, Nsata Jones getting

566
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Speaker 1: her out of Lifetime movies up to the big screen.

567
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: She's doing the thing about Pam. It's like this, like random,

568
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: what is it on? Like I don't know, like sun

569
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Speaker 1: Stream platform I've never heard of, and I'm like, oh, girl,

570
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Kirsten Duns to that Fargo show, which, like I've heard

571
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: is great. But she's in movies. Yeah, needed to be back.

572
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: And here's what I will say also about TV and movies.

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Speaker 1: Julia Roberts is in the only in my opinion the

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Speaker 1: only successful stage to screen adaptation ever, which is, of

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Speaker 1: course August so Stage County. Oly. It is the only

576
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: play that has ever been successfully and well adapted to

577
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: film and Meryl isms Meryll's Big Time in the thank

578
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: you it would not have been made without her and

579
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Speaker 1: miss Margot Martindale. Of course I never saw the movie,

580
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: but I did see the original Broadway production, Thank you

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00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: for going. Yes, You're welcome, brave and supporting life theater

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Speaker 1: um August Age County as the only Okay, wait wait,

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Speaker 1: but also I mean, does that so you're excluding like

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Speaker 1: angels in America? I guess that's kind of hard to

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00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: get through, Like you're talking some just plays or are

586
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: we including musical? Go ahead and include musical? Because go ahead,

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00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: and you're going to tell me that Chicago, that august

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Speaker 1: s Age County is better than Chicago. I'll tell you

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00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: two things. First of all, yes, and second of all,

590
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: for context, I've never seen Chicago. Oh my god. Either one.

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00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't care. You don't need to see it on stage,

592
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: but on screen you absolutely have to. It's the best

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00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: movie ever made. I I don't know. I don't know

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00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: about that, but it is. It is really good. Um, wait,

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00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: there's another stage to screen one that I was thinking.

596
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: I was like, that was actually really the musical parts

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Speaker 1: one into coming in. Never wait, I will give you

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00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: a really close second. I will give you a really

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Speaker 1: close second. It does not top August Stage County hair Spray,

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Speaker 1: hair Spur Good hair Spray, got there. You know what's

601
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: a really dark fact about me is that when I

602
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Speaker 1: was in high school, I performed Good Morning Baltimore at

603
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Speaker 1: the opening number from a hair Spray at mar Lagos

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Speaker 1: good Morning. No brand always says that saying too much

605
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Speaker 1: on this podcast, The Incredible Good give it up. He

606
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Speaker 1: wasn't there. I think I also didn't. I did not

607
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Speaker 1: perform a solo. It's not like I was Tracy turn

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a group number, but it was

609
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Speaker 1: at Marl. I did perform. I did perform at the

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Speaker 1: Fascist Tower. It was the King, wasn't There was a

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Speaker 1: fundraiser that was a really scary good impression by the way,

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Speaker 1: that was terrified. It was a fundraiser for the n

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Speaker 1: r R. Yeah, I've never seen you there at Marl. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I know. Well they don't let me in post transition. God,

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00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: I forgot about Yeah, she's the only one was Julia

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Speaker 1: Roberts ever going a musical because like every like prestige

617
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: actor always tries to do a musical, I know. But

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Speaker 1: there was a On the flip side, there was a

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Speaker 1: musical adaptation of Pretty Woman that I saw a couple

620
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Speaker 1: of years ago, and it was one of the worst

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Speaker 1: pieces I've ever seen on stage. I could see that. Yeah,

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00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: it was horrid. I could see that being the truth.

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Speaker 1: And your favorite Julie Roberts movie is as if you

624
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Speaker 1: could pay I just um, I wasn't prepared for this

625
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: because Phoebe forced me to do Get Killer, my favorite

626
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts movie. Um, I'm gonna just have to say,

627
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: I do think it's mona Lisa smile. I never seen it, well,

628
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, and it's all the girls are

629
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Speaker 1: in it right, Oh yeah, Kirsten dunns Um, Maggie, Jillan Hall,

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Speaker 1: Julia Stiles, Julia Styles of course canonically Julia Stiles say,

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Speaker 1: Julia Roberts, all the Julia's, every Juliet you could they really, Yeah,

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00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: they gathered all the Julia's for that one. Yeah. Yeah, Um,

633
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: that movie is great. But I'm surprised that that's your

634
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: first pick a favorite. It's Aaron. Aaron Brockovich is actually

635
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: maybe in like top five top ten movies for me.

636
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Barkovich is amazing. It's a perfect film. I don't

637
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: like it because of the politics. Yes, Mine is my

638
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: best friend's wedding. Oh my god, the best rom com

639
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: ever made. One of the best Chicago movies ever made. Also, oh,

640
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Chicago movie, it's worth I forgot that it's made in Chicago.

641
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: You mean other than Chicago. That the movie? You do

642
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: you not see Chicago when you're from Chico. From Chicago.

643
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't like musicals. Uh yeah, yeah, I don't like

644
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: because it's it's every time something, every time a feeling

645
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: gets too big, they start singing. But you know what's

646
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: interesting is I could definitely see a John Wayne Gacy musical.

647
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: Not only can you see that, you will see that.

648
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Come on out? Can you sing um a little? Just

649
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: a little? You definitely can. I've heard it. I've heard

650
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: it before, just a little. I would give anything in

651
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: other than hard working commitment. I would give anything in

652
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: the world to be a musician, and instead I do

653
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: comedy because that's easier. Musician, Like what kind of music?

654
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Oh god? You also talked a lot about Garth Brooks

655
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: when during at that fire I thought we were having

656
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: a cousual hang out. Fan remembers everything because I will

657
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: say something and she'll go, well, actually, last week you

658
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: said this about this. She clocks on the record. It's

659
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: it's on a podcast, available files everything away. She I

660
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: don't remember a single thing that happens once we record

661
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: an episode of this podcast, I like ejected from my

662
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: banking on. Yeah, I gotta go, yeah, yeah, I mean,

663
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I love Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks is one of the

664
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: most sensational performers to ever live. And what was his

665
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: alter egos name Chris Gaines, which which was a bold?

666
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Which was a bold. Here's the thing, the girls don't

667
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: take creative risks like Garth Brooks anymore. Garth Brooks tried

668
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: to do an entire alter ego. What he was really wait,

669
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: tell me more Garth Brooks in the I want to

670
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: say it's it is late nineties or early two thousand,

671
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: Garth Brooks does this alter ego? Now, Apparently it was

672
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: for and I don't know if this is just a

673
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: cover story they came up with. Apparently Garth Brooks was

674
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: going to be in a movie where he played this

675
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: this this like moody kind of rock musician named Chris

676
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: Gaines who has like longer black hair and like a

677
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: black like goatee. What And he put out an album

678
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: as this person and like and it performed as as

679
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: Chris Gaines an alter ego, and it was critically destroyed. Okay,

680
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: I was going to say, but he's at the height

681
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: of it. It was a serve. And also people don't

682
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people understand Garth Brooks

683
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: was the most famous musician in the world. Like he

684
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: he was not just the biggest country arts in the world.

685
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: He was selling out like the biggest stadiums in the

686
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: world three nights in a row. It was massive. He

687
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: he had the I think I think to date he

688
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: still has the biggest Central Park concert in history. I

689
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: don't think I could name one single Garth Brooks song.

690
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily proud of that, but like, well, go

691
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: off for Garth Brooks to to fully like, um, it's

692
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: like Lady Gaga doing Joe Caled around for a whole album. Yeah,

693
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: she was like, it's it's me Joe. But I think now,

694
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: I think now, like Garth Brooks could totally do that

695
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: and get away with it. Yeah, I think I think

696
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: it was. I think it's cool to be at the

697
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: very top of your thing and have the kind of

698
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: fearlessness it takes to do something so counter to what

699
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: people want from you and so counter to what pays

700
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: the bills. I think is like, that's actual artistry. Even

701
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: though that I like the Chris Gaines project, not really,

702
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: but like I like the I like the energy of

703
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: being like I'm at the top of my game and

704
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: have the biggest musicians in the world. Suck at all,

705
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Also, Chris Gaines does have a little bit

706
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: serial killer energy for sure. It does a little to

707
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: get back on top. Let's get it back in the

708
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: corner with a gun. Okay, I want to I wanted.

709
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: She's usually in the studio. She's not here today. They

710
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: make it. What I want to know is your theory

711
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: on why are there's so many gay murderers? Yeah, what

712
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: is that? Being gay is a mental illness and that

713
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: must be said, and it's not normal. And so once

714
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: you allow yourself to go to that place, I think

715
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: it's easy to allow yourself to go to other crimes.

716
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: It's a gayway thing pathologically, you know it, just it

717
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: makes clinical sense. Okay to be too. I know you're

718
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: being funny, but I do. But do do also think

719
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: that was dead? Si? I do. I know you're being funny, girl,

720
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: but I do also think, especially in the seventies, like

721
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: when you are, when you have desires that are so

722
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: not normative in that social structure, like, isn't that much

723
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: of a leap to be like, well, people already think

724
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: I should go to prison for fucking someone in the ass,

725
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: Like why didn't I just kill people? Well, okay, if

726
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: we're going to be if I have to be as serious,

727
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no, we don't know no no no,

728
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: but I will say the thing of it. I think

729
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: there are a lot of gay sociopaths. Whether or not

730
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: to become killers is another thing, but yeah, I know

731
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: many of them. I'm like, I I got a brunch

732
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: with these people. I The thing about growing up in

733
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: the closet is and so many more people did back

734
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: then in such a more intense way. You learn how

735
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: to mimic normal behavior, and you learn how to give

736
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: people what they want, right sociopath shit, And so if

737
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: you if you get good at doing that. I can

738
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: totally understand how it comes, how it becomes this thing

739
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: where like you, yeah, you you you're willing to do

740
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: things that other people aren't willing to do because you

741
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: truly believe you can hide it and please people and

742
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: give them what they want to see because you're used

743
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: to doing that, you know what I mean. You're gay

744
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: in like the sixties, seventies, and eighties, you have to

745
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: have a double life anyways, Like why not be a killer?

746
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Which is why he was killing other gay people? But

747
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: gays are still killing today. I was last night, I

748
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: was having dinner with some friends and one of them

749
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: was telling me that their ex boyfriend had a very

750
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: close brush with death from a gay serial killer because

751
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: he was supposed to go camping with like his personal

752
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: trainer and couldn't go last minute, And then the trainer

753
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: never showed back up at the gym, and they found

754
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: out later that the boys that he had taken into

755
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: the woods he had killed them. Yes, what, there's still

756
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of yeah, yeah, did Johnny Casey eat anybody

757
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: that was that was bad that was not his? I

758
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: also think he's just like burying them. I also think,

759
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: like if you're going to kill people and have like

760
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: bodies around, Like I kind of want to know what

761
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: it tastes. Like you're saying, if there was a dead body,

762
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: you rose would eat something? Just a taste, just a

763
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: taste what you saying? Like I'm saying, like in you know,

764
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: if I lived in like hostile circumstances like the movie

765
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: Hostel or Yellow Jackets, Yellow Jackets or um that movie

766
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: Flesh that just came out with Sebastian stand and like

767
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: I had so much money and so much power over

768
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: people's lives, Like, yeah, I would want to try it.

769
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: I just saw a headline recently about a guy who

770
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: was like trapped at an elevator with his wife and

771
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: he killed her an eider. But they were in there

772
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: for like less than two days and he got in

773
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble and he also like he had

774
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: a bag of trail mix and he was not in

775
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: the mood for that. He actually went to the elevator

776
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: with her dead body and a carving knife, and he's

777
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: like he's the one that made it stop. Okay, Well,

778
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: like what you wouldn't just eat it raw? Though, would you? Like?

779
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: How would you I would cook it? How would you

780
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: prepare it. Um, I think I don't have an air fryer,

781
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not getting one for you know, I saw

782
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: a TikTok yesterday that said it, I would do literally

783
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: anything to have an air fryer, except by one, and

784
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: that it's exactly how I feel about it. Um. I

785
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: think I would make like a steak. I would want

786
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: to eat. I would want to eat the butt. Um.

787
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: That's that's a big part of that movie, flesh Fresh,

788
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Fresh Fresh. I think fresh, but it's like but I

789
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: saw after It's good. It's a good cut. I'm sure

790
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: maybe maybe some breast meat. I would maybe do like

791
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: a fried kind of fried chicken sandwich scenario, like a

792
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: fried sandwich, or a leg like you'd have like one

793
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: of the big turkey legs at Disney. But I mean

794
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: if I had to have someone God, speaking of turkey legs,

795
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: I got invited to the Renfair. Have you? Oh God, No,

796
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: are you kidding you? Oh? I can't stand it. I'm

797
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm on your side here and I can't stand it.

798
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I love it, but you want nothing

799
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: but to be close to you. No, I said. My

800
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: friend text me and said, do you want to go? It?

801
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: Was a bunch of people I love. She said, you

802
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: want to go with me and a bunch of people

803
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: you love? And I text back and I said, that

804
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: sounds horrible. Okay, well, if that happens again, text me.

805
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: I'll say that sounds like a nightmare to me. But

806
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: my friend Rose, whom you don't know, must she's not

807
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna see She's not gonna go with you. She's not

808
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: gonna say hi. You won't know her, she will. Yeah,

809
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean the inevitable question. Honestly, if we're getting on

810
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: the topic of cannibalism, it's like if you so, if

811
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: you were a serial murderer, a serial gay murderer, like

812
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: how what what would the double life be? How would

813
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you be hiding bodies? Definitely not in the basement of

814
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: my own house, I can tell you either, Like why

815
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: would you do that? All of these murders like hid

816
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: stuff in their own house, like talk about barrier gaze,

817
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: like that really was it. I wouldn't do it because

818
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm such a moral person. I just never get to

819
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: that place. Okay, But if you did too, I think, uh,

820
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: because I think that's not true, and I think you

821
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: would you find out on an actual killer actually maybe

822
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: tests too much. The lady doth protests too much. I

823
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: think actually the house makes sense now that I think

824
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: about it, like it is your place. You control who

825
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: goes in and out. But then the thing about John

826
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: wayn Gaesy is he started inviting the cops over for dinner.

827
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that's great, let's have a little he got uncomfortable.

828
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I do think he wanted to get caught

829
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: for sure. He just want work. It's just not well.

830
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: That's the thing with a lot of serial killers is

831
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: they do want like sociopaths, they want that recognition. And

832
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: also I think a lot of them must understand that

833
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: it's not sustainable. They will get caught at some point,

834
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: and so they might as well put on a little show.

835
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: That's why they'll go dormant. Sometimes serial killers will go

836
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: dormant for years and then be like I just can't stop,

837
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: And then they go back. I'm like, oh my god,

838
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: you got away with it. You if you were if

839
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: you went doring for twelve years and then came back

840
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: to it, you were away with it. You were done.

841
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: You could have been free of it all. But then

842
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: they just do it again, and I feel like, I mean, maybe,

843
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: but you know, if he wanted to get caught. I'm

844
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: sure like he got caught in the headlines RAND that

845
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: week and he was like, you know, what representation matter.

846
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: But then it's interesting when you see the footage of

847
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: him like in handcuffs, his heads down, it's like he

848
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: doesn't want anyone to see him. Um he did he

849
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: tried to kill himself or I think, But I wonder

850
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: if maybe that was all just part of the show.

851
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: He went to his father's grave and was going to

852
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: kill himself over his father's grave when they apprehended. But

853
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: I think he's too much of a narcissist. I don't

854
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: think he actually wanted to die. No, No, for sure not.

855
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: He Also it was like when he was in prison,

856
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: he would beat up people for being gay. He was weirdly.

857
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: He was weirdly. He was weirdly homophobic, you know, hilarious.

858
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: He's dead now, right, Yes, he died. I want to

859
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: say he died, well did he eventually? I don't know

860
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: if they actually got gave him the death penalty, if

861
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: he died of a heart attack. Rest in power. But

862
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: he died. Not that um I was reading about, because

863
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: they all they found everything at his house or whatever,

864
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the funk happened in that house?

865
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: They fully like the house continued to sell and resell,

866
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: like obviously it was like on the market for a

867
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: very long time, but like it literally sold last year.

868
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Would you would you spend a night there? Never? I

869
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: mean if was paid, yes, but in god real estate,

870
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: no you're not. You're not being paid. If I was

871
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: like fran I got us an Airbnb and it was

872
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: John Wayne probably is an Airbnb. It's probably like a

873
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: Joshua Tree esque like gentrify, like you know, cactus and

874
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: a little terrarium. Would you go? Would you go for

875
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: the gag? No? Would you spend a name Johnny Gas?

876
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I'm gathering I would for the weekend a

877
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: weekend quick? What would you What would you do there? Um?

878
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: You know, I'd like sleep in, read some books, maybe

879
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: like do a tarot reading. You wanted to summon the

880
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: spirits of all the twinks he murdered on the lamy

881
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: want to help me move on? It's like a circuit

882
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: party up in there, just with ghosts. That's what ghost

883
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: circuit party. Yeah, it's like it's like a drag race viewing.

884
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: You do it on a Friday. That's the thing about Yeah,

885
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm hosting at John Wayne Gacy's house. I feel like,

886
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: even even if you don't have like an ounce of

887
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: superstition in your body, what would move you to buy

888
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: this house? Like being four dollars? Real estate's crazy real estate.

889
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: It's crazy wa Chicago. Yeah, I was. I've been watching

890
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: The Staircase on HBO. Have you watched it? I watched

891
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: the original doc. I haven't seen that. I've never seen

892
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: the original doc and I really want to watch the show.

893
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: So the show is about a documentary that was made

894
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: about Michael Peterson, who allegedly killed his wife. Um. It

895
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: was a documentary series that was made by some French filmmakers. Um.

896
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: This all happened in two thousand one, and now this

897
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: is an HBO show about all of this, starring Colin

898
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Firth and Tony Collette. The most recent episode, Colin Firth

899
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: is in prison and they're trying to you know, get

900
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: money for his defense and appeals, and they're selling his

901
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: house and like they have a huge mansion and they're

902
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: saying that they they're going to have to sell it

903
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: for like way under asking because of what happened there

904
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I don't know. I feel like

905
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: there's some sickos out there who would pay more for

906
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: a house. That's what I was going to say. It's

907
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: like a historic like s Mark. Yeah, at least market value.

908
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: Also someone someone has died everywhere. Yeah, that's the point.

909
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: Definitely died in this room. I had Did you do it?

910
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: You do? I mean like you are on record on

911
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: this podcast threatening to kill people was like, I know,

912
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: at least to the tea where people have. Um. I like,

913
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: while I was looking at John and gazy stuff, I

914
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: also got into the Lorraina Bobbitt case. Do you know

915
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: about Lorna Bobbit by any chance? She's the woman that

916
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: chopped off the off She got the dick off. Her

917
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: husband's name was John Wayne, John Wayne Bobbitt. Isn't that crazy?

918
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: And John Wayne was like the twenty nine most popular

919
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: name in the sixties or something. Yeah, I am my.

920
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: My mom's said of family was big on like John

921
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: Wayne lore So that kind of like tracks to me.

922
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, the Lorena Bobbit thing was kind of

923
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: crazy because, like everyone the whole story like at least well,

924
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean funny back story for me. My sister. She's

925
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: three years younger than me, but she was born the

926
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: same year that the Lorena bomba like kind of thing happened.

927
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: It was like a huge, like newsy sensation that like

928
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: very narrowly preceded Tanya Harding's like big like media blow up.

929
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: And my sister's name when she was born was Lorena,

930
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: and my parents like literally named her Lorena, and then

931
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: this like story essentially emerged and my parents were like

932
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: just kidding. Her name is Marissa now and they legally

933
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: changed her name to like something different because of this woman.

934
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: But Lorena is such a cute name. Yeah, Lorena is

935
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: a really cute name. And my sister and I really

936
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: love like the Lorena Bobbitt story now because, like I mean,

937
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: in the like news media sensations of it all, like

938
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: it was like a woman chopped guys dick off and

939
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: threw it in the field and like that was it.

940
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: Like she went crazy she had had it with him

941
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like she was like a victim of

942
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: like marital rape and like he was a huge asshole

943
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: and all this different stuff, and so like she's kind

944
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: of become this like weird like feminist, maybe not a

945
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: feminist like people are, Yeah, people are girl bossing her

946
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, which is like I don't think that's

947
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: the move, but like I think it is. You think

948
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: like a time to girl boss Lauren. Yeah, because like

949
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: I stand Eileen Warnos. Yeah, yeah, any sort of girl murderer. Um.

950
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: But John Wayne bobbitt Um, after this whole like debacle happened,

951
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: went off to produce two different porns starring himself, one

952
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: of which was autobiographical about the Lorena Bobbit's Right And

953
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: it was an hour and fifteen minutes long and I

954
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: watched a lot of it. It was crazy. Did you

955
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: like it? To be honest? Did you jerk off to it? No?

956
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: It was like pretty much the low friend. Definitely, the

957
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: energy and the energy of the studio right now is

958
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: such that I mean the table just lift it. To

959
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: be honest, it was like the it was like the

960
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: least stimulating porn ever. Like these girls like it was

961
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of like, then, why have you now positioned your

962
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: entire sexuality? Well, his like his his dick is like, um,

963
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: pretty small, and so they like go to town. Okay,

964
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm not size shaming. I'm just saying that, Like these

965
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: girls kind of like it's like a kind of group

966
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: sex scenario, and these girls go to town on his

967
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: flaccid penis for like too long of a time. It's

968
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: like I was like, this is not what I watched.

969
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Does it eventually get hard? Yes, it does eventually get

970
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: hard and he ends up having sex. But like, what's

971
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: funny is something about to learn about the case. Was

972
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: that um, she made the mistake of in her like

973
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: first police interviews saying that um, he could never make

974
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: her come, and so when she said that, of course,

975
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: the national story was like he could never make her hump,

976
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: so she chopped his dick off or whatever. And so

977
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: in the actual point, he comes very quickly. But like

978
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: the whole story that he produces in the first porn

979
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: about his life like this like a woman plays Lorena

980
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: and he tells basically his side of the story through

981
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: point you were just there. Abut Um, the fact that

982
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: this is your favorite porn, I love that. I love

983
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: that this horrible person made art out of his trauma. Um,

984
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: it's so powerful. Is the power of art. A biography

985
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: told through porn is very tempting. I will say, like

986
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: that is something that you were inspired It would be

987
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: a fun creative challenge. You know, we can hire a

988
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: lot of our friends. We have a lot of friends

989
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: that are in porn. Sure, sure, yeah, we're recording at

990
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: the porn Star right after this. Yeah. Yeah. And and

991
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: also during this, you've actually a lot of porn out there. Yeah,

992
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: and it's all extremely off putting their story and not

993
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: in the good one. Well maybe you could do with

994
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: John Wayne gay sy porn. No, oh, people would kill people.

995
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: People wish autobiographical porn. I assume. Oh yeah, my life

996
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: story is very present and infused in the projects I

997
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: call them projects. So there's not only a lot of

998
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: gay real gay killers. So I feel like, especially in

999
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, there was a cultural preoccupation with

1000
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: queer murderers in movies. So like Silence of the lamb

1001
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: Um Dressed to Kill, I mean a lot of it

1002
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: was like there's a big trope of like trans murderers.

1003
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: I love Silence of the Lambs, which I had only seen.

1004
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I've only seen for the first time, like within the

1005
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: past year and a half. I've never seen it. You've

1006
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: never seen it? Oh my god? Have you have you

1007
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: seen Silence in multiple times? Do you love? I do?

1008
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: I really, really really love Inthony Hopkins performance. So it

1009
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: just is it's like, it's amazing. It puts the lotion

1010
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: on its skin. It puts the lotion on its skin.

1011
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean truly. The energy between Jodie Foster and Anthony

1012
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: Hopkins in that movie is just like I could watch.

1013
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: I could watch him sitting in a cage and her

1014
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: sitting on a chair talking. That could be a five

1015
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: hour movie that I would watch. Yes, have you heard

1016
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: of the TV show Hannibal. I've heard of it. Okay,

1017
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: So there's a TV show Hannibal that's like a Silence

1018
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: of the Lamb's kind of spinoff, and in it, Hannibal

1019
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: Lecter has this sort of psycho sexual relationship with a

1020
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: male FBI agent this time who's played by Hugh Dancy,

1021
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: Clara Daines's husband, and it is one of the shows

1022
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: that has the biggest fandom on Tumblr. There's so much

1023
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: fan fiction written about it. They also are canonically gay

1024
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: in the show, um, but I don't know if they

1025
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: were kissed. Also, Gillian Anderson in it, and at one

1026
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: point she eats her own leg. Gillian Anderson eats her

1027
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: own leg. Yeah, why need to watch it? I'm not

1028
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter. It's people do things. Wait, do you guys,

1029
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: have you guys watched any or all of the following? No?

1030
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: What is the following is? And you really, really, you

1031
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: guys should watch this virgins please please, I'm making you

1032
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: guys watches and somebody the show has been canceled for

1033
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: years now, somebody save it. The following is got three

1034
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: seasons on FX. It is uh. It is a Kevin

1035
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: Bacon vehicle. Kevin Bacon plays an FBI agent who has

1036
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: a sordid, deep history personal history with the serial killer

1037
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: played by an actor whose name I can't remember right now.

1038
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: I remember the show you're talking about. And the serial

1039
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: killer has a cult following who will kill for him

1040
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: as well. So there's this deep I mean it's it

1041
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: really is like so there's a there's there's a gay subplots,

1042
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: there's like these two killers. So it follows Kevin Bacon

1043
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: and his journey with the serial killer and then also

1044
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: his cult followers and what they're doing and with his

1045
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: cult followers. He's so he's essentially an influencer, big time,

1046
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: big time. He got on his live and he was

1047
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: like a fens today we're going to be murdering this person.

1048
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: What do you think. When I was a kid and

1049
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: I got to pick my special birthday meal, it was

1050
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: always lobster. You are going to be horrified when I

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Speaker 1: tell you what mine was my special birthday again, shout

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Speaker 1: out to people who grew up without money. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even try to pick something special. I literally knew what

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Speaker 1: was available to us. My special birthday meal was um

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Speaker 1: beani weeenies. What is that? Beanieenies? Is where you This

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: is so disgusting. You caramelize like you like caramelize brown sugar,

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Speaker 1: and then uh put cut up hot dogs in it,

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Speaker 1: and then you put that in baked beans and make

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Speaker 1: it up that. I was like, I was like birthday.

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Speaker 1: I was like, cook up the hot dogs and put

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Speaker 1: him in the beans by first class. I mean I

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: was literally so excited too. I was like, cut him up, bitch.

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Speaker 1: I was like, let's go, it's my day. Have you

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Speaker 1: made that that for yourself as an adult now? Absolutely well?

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Speaker 1: I haven't had it in years now When I um, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess I had. When I was really

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Speaker 1: really broken Chicago, I would sometimes be like, this is

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Speaker 1: actually special, this is really good. I like this. I

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Speaker 1: definitely should make it for yourself tonight. You wish I

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00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: could need something that would make me, that would make

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Speaker 1: me ill, But I think you could. You could twist it.

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Speaker 1: You could get like a really nice sausage from like

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Speaker 1: Full Foods or like Gelson's Thank You, some artisanal baked beans,

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Speaker 1: like brown sugar that's like been chopped off a rock.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I have been making. I have

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Speaker 1: been making a stir fry recently that I'm really kind

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Speaker 1: of getting up. I get. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys do this, but I get I'll make something new

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Speaker 1: and I'll be like, oh, that was pretty good, And

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00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: then for the next month, every time I cook, I'll

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Speaker 1: make it and make it pilot yeah, over and over again.

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Speaker 1: And it's I'm doing that with right now, with a

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00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: starfry that has a sausage and black beans in it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I want to have solidarity with you with for kids

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Speaker 1: that did not grow with a lot. I will say

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Speaker 1: my birthday was not that we weren't that desperate my parents,

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00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,959
Speaker 1: like they always tell this story about so my parents

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00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: were not ready to have me. I was like a

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00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: honeymoon baby and they were like fun. Now we got

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Speaker 1: to pay for a kid, and they were like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a one bedroom apartment. And they all they

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00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: did love me enough to make more than hot dogs.

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: I will say give them credit at least I'm like

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: some flop in the room. It is. It is a

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: really sad meal. Like there's all but like I feel

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Speaker 1: like what my parents like when it comes to like

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00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: sad meals and stuff. My parents like really um. Their

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00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: first meal like as a couple. They always told me

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Speaker 1: after they found out that they had me they were

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Speaker 1: going to have me as a baby, was a you

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Speaker 1: know baghette, like a French bag at, like when I'm familiar,

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Speaker 1: ninety cents from a block of cheddar, cheese, avocado, rotisserie

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: chicken and lime. Oh so this is where your love

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01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: of rotisserie chicken. I love so literally every and that

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Speaker 1: was there, Like that was there, like this meal costs

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Speaker 1: five dollars and we'll stretch over three days or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and this is what we can eat. And like growing up,

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Speaker 1: that was like my ship and I did request it

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Speaker 1: all the time. For my birthday. I want to back

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Speaker 1: at I want to go to and now it is

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: kind of like the rotisseri chick in Sandwich. Now it

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Speaker 1: is like kind of like a comfort meal to me. Like,

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Speaker 1: would you guys Dad asked to Paris for me tonight

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Speaker 1: midnight in Paris? Um, yeah, I mean we we let's go.

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Speaker 1: What what are we doing in Paris? Are you happy

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01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: to be in Paris? What if you guys want? I

1117
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: guess we should go to like, um, what's that like

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: famous burlesque show. That's no, not that one, the other

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Speaker 1: the Cat. It's called the Cat. I'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, but I went, you're thinking of the

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Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower. Yeah, yeah, there's that, you know that that

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Speaker 1: tits and a straw to the Louver. So we should

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Speaker 1: go to the Louver. No boom. I love museum. I

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01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: love museums. No, museums are objectively more, guys, you're both

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Speaker 1: pretending people that I listen to Frank Ocean's Bond album

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: at museums, I walk around into the paintings. Tonight, I

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Speaker 1: forced myself to have an experienced. I read the little

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Speaker 1: like read That's what I tell you about the artist's life.

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Speaker 1: I Jean Pierre was suicidal. I was like incredible. Also,

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Speaker 1: the thing is when you're in a foreign country at

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Speaker 1: museums have free WiFi, thank you. It's a great place

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Speaker 1: to spend a couple of hours checking Instagram. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe you run a culture podcast and you have the

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Speaker 1: audacity to say this is that, this is, this is unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's go to Paris. This is actually great

1136
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: timing because I did murder someone and you do need

1137
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: to flee the country. Let's get out of here. Tell

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Speaker 1: us what you want us to talk about next, whether

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: it's a moment in culture, a book, a show, UM,

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Speaker 1: an album. We want to hear from you. You can

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Speaker 1: call to confess at three to three penance. That's three

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Speaker 1: to three seven three six two six two three, or

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Speaker 1: you're a little you know, spicy with it. UM. I'm

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