1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: you, you hear from our studios at Lambeufield, back from the 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend, Wes and we are here to talk about 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving victory by the Green Bay Packers twenty nine 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: to twenty two over the Detroit Lions at Ford Field. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: And there are wins, and there are big wins, Wes, 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: and I think for the first time this season, for 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: the first time probably since Week seventeen last year, when 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: the Packers beat the NFC North champion Minnesota Vikings rather 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: soundly at lambeau Field, we can say the Packers chalked 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: up a big win. This is the biggest one of 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three so far, a good one for the 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Packers to get. 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: As the great Roy Jones Junior once said, y'all must 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: have forgot because the Green Bay Packers showed up in Detroit. 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, man, I think the popular 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: sentiment in that locker room afterwards. You were with Jordan 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: Love and Matt Lafleur, But listening to Kenny Clark and 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: Christian Watson and a lot of these vets say we 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: didn't get there. Weren't a lot of people giving us 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: a chance in this game, but they believed. And if 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: you look at one of the most common denominators between 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: where the Green Bay Packers have been from week one 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: to week now thirteen, it's been belief. The execution hasn't 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: always been there. Sometimes there's been a few more mistakes 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: than Matt Lafleur would have liked, but this team always believed. 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: And with a seventeen man injury report, with four of 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: the five guys who are questionable for this game not 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: being able to play, they only had aj Dillon available. 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: This team was undeterred. And it didn't matter if it 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: was Jordan Love having another three touchdown zero interception game 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: or Christian Watson having his biggest game of the season, 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: the young receivers defensively, Gary stepping up in a huge way. 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: When Matt Lafleur gives everybody a game ball afterwards that's 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: on the roster, it speaks to the Packers quite literally 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: needing everybody on that game day active forty eight, and 39 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: they found a way to get it done. Yeah. 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: I mean when you look at you look at how 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: banged up the Packers were coming into this game. You're 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: short handed at running back, you're short handed at wide 43 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: receiver on the offensive side. On the defensive side, your 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: secondary is still banged up. You've got a lot of 45 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: backups and reserves playing there. You're not full strength at 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: inside linebacker. So where did this game have to be won? 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: It had to be one up front. The Packers were 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: in good shape on their offensive line, they were in 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: good shape on their defensive line, and those were the 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: two units that you know, quite frankly, got it handed 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: to them by the Detroit Lions back in Week four 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: at Lambell Field. And don't think that NFL players don't 53 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: remember that kind of stuff, right. I Mean, the Packers 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: completely turned the tables in the trenches in this game 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: compared to the first matchup with the Lions this season. 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: And that was the difference. The offensive line, the plan 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: with the tight ends and the double teams in the 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: chip blocks. They took Aiden Hutchinson out of the game, 59 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: and he was the guy who completely wrecked the game 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: back in Week four. I've got a whole bunch of clips. 61 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: In my what you might have missed all the different 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: ways that the Packers took care of Aiden Hutchinson and 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: did not let him become a factor in this game 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: at all. But on the flip side, also the defensive 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: front you mentioned Rashan Gary. He goes back to the 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: stadium in which he tore his acl last November, and 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: he has a three sack, two forced fumble game, one 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: of those forced fumbles being a scoop and score by 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan Owens, a reserve safety. With the secondary all banged up, 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: as you said, Wes, this was an all hands on 71 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: deck game. But where the Packers were strongest in terms 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: of their health was in the trenches on the offensive 73 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: and defensive lines, and those two units came through big time. 74 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: Elton Jenkins, And it's been fun watching Elton because he's 75 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: become a leader of that locker room. He's not just 76 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: a leader of the offensive lineman. He's become one of 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: the voices of that locker room. It's a reasoned voice. 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: He's not gonna go up there and making any huge 79 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: declarations to anybody in terms of what he thinks the 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: team is capable of. Right, But I think they follow that. 81 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: I think they follows even keeledness in the way that 82 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: he carries himself. And he was saying afterwards, like we 83 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: wanted to dominate in this game. We understood what happened 84 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: and what our role was. In Week four in Green 85 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: Bay having that loss, and that was a difficult time. 86 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: If you remember, Elton was dealing with a knee injury. 87 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: They just lost David again for the season. 88 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: And the guy Tom was playing banged up in that 89 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: game too. You know, he was gutting through a pretty 90 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: difficult injury on a short week, with that game being 91 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: on a Thursday back in September. 92 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: And in this game, Green Bay Packers didn't care. They 93 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: went out there and they played on their terms. And 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: Mike I of the mentality that Matt Lafleur took with 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: this football team. You don't have any practices, you're just 96 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: doing walkthroughs. So if I could, I would love to 97 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: see the footage of them and the creek or wherever 98 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: they were running through those first fifteen plays and the 99 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: ideology that was following it, the fact that if we 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: win the opening coin toss, we are going to take 101 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: the football for the first time the season. We are 102 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: not going to defer. We are going to go into 103 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: the mouth of the lion. No pun intended. Pretty good 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: line though, or pun intended or pun intended maybe if 105 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: I want to be like that. But we're gonna throw 106 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: a pass up for fifty three yards to Christian Wattson, 107 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: a guy that this offense desperately needed to get going. 108 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: They gave him the ball on back to back plays 109 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: to start this thing. Yep, Jordan Love throws this magician 110 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: pass to Jayden Reid on a slant. I've watched this 111 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: thing twenty five times and I still don't know how 112 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 2: the football got in there. Five plays, seventy five yards 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: get into the end zone, exactly the start green Bay needed. 114 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: Michael The defense contributed to but twenty first quarter points, 115 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: matching green Bay's output through the first ten games combined. 116 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: In the first quarter, Yeah, green Bay Packers got it 117 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: done the way they needed to. 118 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty remarkable. I thought, you know, the 119 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: way this game started, the big pass to Christian Watson. 120 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur had said he pondered that first play call 121 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: quite a bit. He thought about changing it. He mentioned 122 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: to Jordan Love he was thinking about changing it, not 123 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: taking the deep shot, and Jordan Love said, no, I 124 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: want that play. Let's do it, you know, let's call that. 125 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: On the first one, Christian Watson goes up between two defenders, attacks, 126 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: the ball comes down with at fifty three yards. As 127 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: you said. A few plays later, they're in the end 128 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: zone when Watson runs the wrong route which created all 129 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: of that traffic, but the ball got through, and you know, 130 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: hats off to Jaden Reid for having the concentration with 131 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: a guy draped on him and with Christian Watson cutting 132 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: across and blocking his vision and everything, he's still able 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: to make that catch and get the ball into the 134 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: end zone. But what I liked even more, quite frankly 135 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: west than the opening series was that after the Lions 136 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: responded right away with a touchdown of their own, the Packers' 137 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: offense got right back to work. They went right back 138 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: down the field and they were right back in the 139 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: end zone again. It was like, okay, you matched us, Well, 140 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: we're going to take the lead again and see what 141 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: you can do. And then what happens. That's where you 142 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: get the first sack, fumble, the scoop and score by 143 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: Jonathan Oens and suddenly you're up by two touchdowns. And yes, 144 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: the Lions they had gotten within nine and then very 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: late in the game they got within seven. But you know, 146 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: the Packers sort of maintained that two score lead for 147 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: the most part, you know, the rest of the ball game. 148 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: And you can't that was for a for as hostile 149 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: an environment as that was. That place was chalk full 150 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: of Detroit fans. It's Thanksgiving. There aren't a lot of 151 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: There were very few Green Bay fans in the stands 152 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: and throughout the you know, I had mentioned this, and 153 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: this is what I felt sitting in the press box. 154 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: Throughout that whole game. That crowd was into it. They 155 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: were expecting Theirs to come back. They had just seen 156 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: their Lions come back from twelve down with four minutes 157 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: to go against the Bears. That crowd was expecting another comeback. 158 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: They thought, Okay, the Packers have had their fun. Our 159 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: guys are going to get things going here. They made 160 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: things as difficult as they could on Jordan Love and 161 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: the offense with all the noise, but Jordan Love stayed 162 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: in command of things from the start. There was the 163 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: one mix up on the fourth and short with the 164 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: handoff to aj Dillon where they got crossed up and 165 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: they ran into each other. Other than that, you can't 166 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: you almost can't even point to a play where you go, boy, 167 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: they really messed that one up, right. I mean, Jordan 168 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: Love was in command of this game, and we've seen him. 169 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: When you're talking about the Steelers game, to the Chargers game, 170 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: to the Lions game, the arrow, the arrow keeps pointing 171 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: up with Jordan Love. 172 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: He's there. 173 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: You know. There are lots of fits and starts through 174 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: the first seven eight games of the season. Now, all 175 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're starting to see steady consists. Didn't 176 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: continual progress with Love and with the offense as a whole. 177 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: It's exciting to think what the last month and a 178 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: half of this season might hold. 179 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: If we had more video technology. We could bring up 180 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: the clip right now when you and I are talking 181 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: about going into that game against Chicago in Week one 182 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: and what had to happen by December first, what this 183 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: offense needed to do with these young perimeter players and 184 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: the strides they needed to make. Pittsburgh was such a 185 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: turning point for them for a number of reasons, but 186 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: I thought the biggest one was it was the first 187 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: game that Green Bay had lost, and credit to you 188 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: for pointing this out. I didn't necessarily believe it myself, 189 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: but it was the first game they lost where if 190 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: you took away the ending, you felt the progress there 191 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 2: and you felt like they were building towards something. When 192 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: you took the emotion out of it, and you look 193 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: at what's happened since then, four days you go back 194 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: to back games against the Chargers and the Lions. The 195 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: challenge mentally and physically that that brings upon a football 196 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: team and its players, the Green Bay Packers stood up 197 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: to it. And if there was ever a stretch that 198 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: I thought embodied what Jordan Love is as a quarterback, 199 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: being able to take away the noise, being able to 200 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: look past the factor three and six and just focus 201 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: on the task at hand, first against the Chargers and 202 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: then against the Lions, it was this stretch. You're seeing 203 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: a young quarterback improve, You're seeing the skill position players 204 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: around him improve and galvanize, and I think that's making 205 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: all the difference. But if I may, I give a 206 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: lot of credit. No one's going to write about it. 207 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: Matt Lafuor certainly doesn't want it talked about. But the 208 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: way that Lafleur attacked this game strategically, being able to 209 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: punch a team in the face on its home field 210 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: in the first quarter. Yeah, it felt really good and 211 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: it was a fast start, but Mike, it dictated the 212 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: rest of the game. Detroit was able to mount a 213 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: fair amount of total yards. They had production, but Green 214 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 2: Bay was able to play with that lead defense. They 215 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: didn't rupture for big plays and the Lions could not 216 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: get in the end zone. Yeah. 217 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, one last thing I want to comment with 218 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: regard to the offense before I'll follow up on what 219 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: you just said with the defense. The other thing that 220 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: you saw happening in this game, not just from one player, 221 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: not just from Christian Watson on the opening play of 222 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: the game, but throughout the game as you saw Maleiku 223 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Heath and Jaden Reid and Romeo Dobbs and Watson all 224 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: making contested catches. Jordan Love was giving was putting the 225 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: ball in places where they would have a chance to 226 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: make plays, and a lot of those plays weren't going 227 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Green Bay's way. Earlier in the season, the receivers were 228 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: not able to come down with those not from a 229 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: lack of effort, but just lack of experience that you know, 230 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: things don't work out quite right. Well, those things are 231 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: starting to work out now those guys are attacking the ball. 232 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean, my favorite one, quite frankly, was the one. 233 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: It was over the middle on It was kind of 234 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: a long yarded situation. I believe it was second and long. 235 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: It was right after a holding penalty, and Romeo Dobbs 236 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: makes a really tough, tough, contested grab over the middle 237 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: and that was the first time the ball had come 238 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: to him since he had dropped a slant on third 239 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: down earlier. Romeo just, you know, it's like, okay, you 240 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: block it out and and he made a much much 241 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: tougher catch in a big situation that then set up 242 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: Christian Watson's touchdown in the third quarter there on the 243 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. You said it with regard 244 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: to the how the Packers ultimately were able to contain 245 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: the Lions, and it came down it came down to 246 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: fourth down stops. Four times. Four times the Packers stopped 247 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: the Lions going forward on fourth down. One of those 248 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: was the fake punt. Hats off to Lucas van Ness 249 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: and to kings Leyannigbari. Those were the two guys when 250 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: I looked at the film. That's it what you might 251 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: have missed as well. Anigbari sets the edge just like 252 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: it was a running play. He didn't, you know he 253 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: he you know, immediately shifted in a run defense mode. 254 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: Set the edge Lucas van Ness who had broken through 255 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: the line, but he immediately shifts to go chase the guy, 256 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, the up back who takes the takes the 257 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: direct snap and uh, and they're able to shut down 258 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: that fake punt. But also three other stops on fourth 259 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: down were the where the defense just held strong. I 260 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: mean quay Walker's uh, quay Walker's coverage in the end 261 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: zone on that pass to uh was it Laporta? I 262 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: think who was who was running that route? The pressure 263 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: generated by Preston Smith and Rashaun Garry on on some 264 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: of those other fourth downs. The defense came up big 265 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: when it had to. And when you talk about the 266 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: special teams contribution, I mean Daniel Wheeland, how I mean 267 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: how many punts were either fair caught or down at 268 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: the ten yard line or they you know, yeah yeah, 269 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: and one of those was down at the two yard line. 270 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: You can't you can't overstate how important field position was 271 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: in this because as you said, the Lions did rack 272 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: up a bunch of yards, but at the end of 273 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: the day, they didn't they they didn't get the points 274 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: out of it because they were starting every drive from 275 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: the ten yard line. It seemed like, which which put 276 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: the Packers defense in great position. When you have all 277 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: three all three phases of the team doing those kinds 278 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: of things, reducing the mistakes, you never play a perfect game. 279 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: But to see the Packers in command of a game 280 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: essentially from start to finish on the road against the 281 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: team that is leading the division, leading the NFC North 282 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: by a pretty wide margin, it was it was impressive. 283 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: And that that's as big a building block as the 284 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: Packers have set down for whatever the future is, whatever 285 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: that they've set down in their foundation. That's the biggest 286 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: one of this season. 287 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: There was a lot of consternation and insider inbox about 288 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: complimentary football and the way that you spell it this 289 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: past couple days. 290 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: But oh, we have to have our fun. We have 291 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: letters too. 292 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: But when you when you talk about winning and losing, 293 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: and a lot of times it will go back to 294 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: the quarterback. I get it. That is obviously where the 295 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: ball starts, and it is about who has the ball 296 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: in his hands. But complimentary football is something that is 297 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: really wrap did up here, I thought for green Bay 298 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: over the last few months, last few weeks, I should say, 299 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: and being able to again a team like the Lions. 300 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of people forget man, the Lions 301 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: were on a seven game winning streak against the division, 302 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: and they'd beaten the Packers four straight times, and if 303 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: they would have gotten the fifth, that would have been 304 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: the first time since the streak of eleven straight losses 305 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: for Green Bay from nineteen forty nine to fifty three. 306 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking back in the early fifties, that day time, 307 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: in that last time the Lions had beaten the Packers 308 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: that many times in a row. 309 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that they'd been in that kind of rut. Dare 310 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: I say so, to be able to do this, I 311 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: think there's so much that goes into it, And Mike, 312 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: not that it's ever about Okay, well you got one 313 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: back because of some of these losses earlier this year. 314 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: I think the difference is is that the green Bay 315 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: Packers learned from those losses and now they beat an 316 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: eight win football team, a team that is right at 317 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: the top of the NFC, and It's a reminder here, 318 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: especially after everything that happened on Monday Night football, that 319 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, the playoffs are very much in reach. If 320 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: the Green Pack can start to build on this and 321 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: take care of business. 322 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I want to talk about next, is 323 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: some of the things as far as where this picture looks. 324 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: But I'll take care of some sponsor business first. Serious 325 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the 326 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: minute NFL news that true football fanatics need. Twenty four 327 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: to seven, three sixty five and ed Cousin Subs. We 328 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: have something for everyone like our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac 329 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired with 330 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin Subs 331 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: fifty years of better. All right, Well, the Packers have 332 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: won three of their last four. They actually, you know, 333 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: one play away if you look at the Pittsburgh game, right, 334 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: you're one play away from a four game winning streak, 335 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: but three of their last four they are at five 336 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: and six. The Minnesota Vikings took one on the chin 337 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Monday night at home against the Chicago Bears, who are 338 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: suddenly playing a little bit different brand of football. When 339 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: you look at the fact that they had the Lions 340 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: down by twelve points with four minutes to go and 341 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: let that one get away. They almost let the game 342 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis Monday Night get away, but they get a 343 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: last second field goal from Cairo Santos, his fourth field 344 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: goal the game. They win without a touchdown, twelve to ten. 345 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: So the Minnesota Vikings now are six and six heading 346 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: into their bye week. So the Packers and the Vikings 347 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: tied in the lost column with six losses a piece. 348 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: The Vikings currently have the last playoff spot in the 349 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: NFC if the season ended today, but also the sixth spot. 350 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: The second the last spot in the NFC is the 351 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, who are six and five. They only have 352 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: one fewer loss than the Packers because they lost on 353 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to the San Francisco forty nine ers. And also 354 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: with the Packers at five and six, you have the 355 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints, you have the Los Angeles Rams, the Packers. 356 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: You know, you like the fact that you know this 357 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: could shake out in any number of ways. You like 358 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: the fact that the Packers beat both of those teams. 359 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: When it comes to potential tiebreaker scenarios, down the road. 360 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Wes, none of this stuff matters 361 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: because the Packers are still the team you know, trailing 362 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: and chasing, right, You're trailing and chasing at this point. 363 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: None of this matters if you don't keep stacking victories 364 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: and keep putting pressure on those teams that are in 365 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: front of you. And we'll talk on our next show 366 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: about the Kansas City Chiefs. The opponent company here to 367 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Lambellfield a tremendous challenge, but one that certainly the whole 368 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: outlook of this game with the Chiefs coming to Lambeoufield 369 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 1: looks very very different with the Packers coming off this 370 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: win over the Lions. 371 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: You use the word challenge, I will use the word 372 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: opportunity because the Grivay Packers suddenly are on their first 373 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: winning streak of the season. They are if you win 374 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: three games, then you can, I think officially label it 375 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: is that what Major League taught us, yeah, back in 376 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: the day. But but the bigger thing. 377 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Is is that has happened before? 378 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: What it has happened before? What a way that would 379 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: be to catapult yourself into December, A December in which 380 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur is still fifteen to h during his time 381 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: as the Packers head coach. His teams know how to 382 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 2: finish and and for Green Bay standpoint Mike, the record 383 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: is great, you know, in terms of where they are, 384 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: that they're in this race, and you can talk all 385 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: about this and you can talk about seedings and playoffs 386 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: and all this jazz, but the bigger thing for me 387 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: is how this young football team. And I'm gonna still 388 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 2: say young because I'm not officially in the locker room, 389 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: I'm not on the coaching staff, I'm not teaching anybody 390 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: the game. I'm just observing. It is one of the youngest, 391 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: if not the youngest football team in the National Football League, 392 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 2: and they're getting better and you know, we'll see how 393 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: this goes. You have to have consistency. I know what 394 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: the schedule looks like on the other side of the 395 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: Kansas City game, a lot of what people would refer 396 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: to as winnable games for the Green Bay Packers, But 397 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: there's six games to go and six games to prove 398 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: your point right now if you're this football team, but 399 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: being able to get a win like that against Detroit 400 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: on the road in the division and kind of put 401 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: your foot down and say we are a good football team. 402 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: We have potential to be a good football team. Not 403 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 2: next year, not the year after that, but in the 404 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 2: here and now. I thought was important because there is 405 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: a swagger that goes along with it. Last quick point 406 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: here with Rashaun Gary three sacks, two force fumbles, first 407 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: Packers player to do that since Aaron Campman in twenty six. 408 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: You want to talk about a defining performance for a 409 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: young player in a rallying cry for the defenders around him. 410 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers won this game with Carrington Valentine, 411 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: a rookie seventh round pick at cornerback. Corey Ballantine over 412 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: at the other cornerback spot, a guy that was on 413 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: the practice squad earlier this season. Jonathan Owen's on the 414 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: back end, rookie seventh round pick Anthony Johnson junior at safety, 415 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: Isaiah McDuffie staying in for Devondre Campbell, whom the Packers 416 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: hope to have back this week. The Packers have had 417 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: so much stuff go against them this season. When things 418 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: start to align, it makes you really wonder about what 419 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: the possibilities are for really all the phases, but you know, 420 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: specifically these units that have been impacted by injuries, what 421 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: their true potential is, because I think you're seeing it 422 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: right now with the receivers. 423 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's going to be coming off of this win 424 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving and with the hope that the Packers are 425 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: going to get a little bit healthier, and we'll have 426 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more of an update in that regard 427 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: on our next show, because we'll at least have seen 428 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: you know who's practicing on Wednesday when we sit down 429 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: to do our Thursday show. But the level of excitement 430 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: that's being generated now by this team and coming into 431 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: a Sunday night football game against the defending Super Bowl 432 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: champions and all that Patrick mahomes first appearance in his 433 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: career at lambeau Field, everything that goes along with that. 434 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot of excitement here as far as as 435 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: far as what is going on. And Packers fans are 436 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: gonna sit back all day on Sunday and scoreboard watch, 437 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: right because you don't have a you don't have a 438 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: Packers game to watch until seven thirty Central Time or 439 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: whatever the kickoff is, and there will be a lot 440 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: of other a lot of other games to pay attention to. 441 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: That'll be u that'll be worth watching. A couple other 442 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: comments I want to make with regard to Week twelve, 443 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: because we always look around the league a little bit. 444 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: Two biggest things that jumped out at me West as 445 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: far as the other results. Also on Thanksgiving, that San 446 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine Ers victory over the Seahawks sure feels 447 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: like whatever that three game losing streak was that the 448 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: Niners went through is like ancient history. At this point 449 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: they have they have put that in the rearview mirror. 450 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: They are in complete control of the NFC West and 451 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: and the Niners look like they are ready to to 452 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: make a charge here down the stretch and see where 453 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: they end up in the seating with regard to the 454 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: playoff picture. And on the other side of things, the 455 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, Man, you talk about a gut punch loss. 456 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: They left it all on the field at the Link 457 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia against the only team left in the NFL 458 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: with just one loss on the season, the Philadelphia Eagles. 459 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: The Bills had the lead for good chunks of that game. 460 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: They had the lead right up to the end of 461 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. They took a lead in overtime. They 462 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: just could not put the Eagles away. And man, and 463 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: as as tough and convoluted and complicated as that AFC 464 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: playoff picture is going to be. To think that the 465 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills are sitting at six and six with all 466 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: of the other quarterback injuries and things that have gone 467 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: on in the AFC, but they're going to be struggling 468 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: to get to get a playoff spot here now, it's 469 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: not over for them. Not that not saying that at all, 470 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: but man, if you had told me at the start 471 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: of the season that Josh Allen's basically going to be 472 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: healthy through the first three month of the year and 473 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills are going to be six and six, 474 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: I would have said, you're crazy. But that's where they are. 475 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bills have just had some terrible losses. I mean, 476 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: they have a hard schedule the way it is. Yes, 477 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 2: they're division champion, but then the games that they needed 478 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: to win they didn't win. I mean, they lost to 479 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: the Jets early on, They lost to the New England Patriots, 480 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: who only have two wins so far on the season. 481 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: They lost to the Broncos because they had twelve guys 482 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: on the field on a last second field goal attempt 483 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: that gave the Broncos another crack and they took a 484 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: loss there, so. 485 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: You know what happens when you face a team that 486 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: is the defending NFC representative in the Super Bowl. They're 487 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: gonna be in these games right down to the wire. 488 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: And Jalen Hurts is a really good ace to have 489 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: up your sleeve. 490 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah he is. 491 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: But if I may really quickly, the big thing I 492 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 2: thought was my takeaway from this, in addition to what 493 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: you said about San Francisco, although I do think when 494 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel's available, they're just an entirely different football team 495 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: than when he's not. Agreed that was a big part 496 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: of it, but agreed, it was that the Green Bay Packers. 497 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: The message that I look at for them to have 498 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: out of all this is just win football games. Whether 499 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: it's Kansas City or the Carolina Panthers, just win football games. 500 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: Because this week was a reminder. And and the Josh 501 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 2: Dobbs thing is a great story, and I will not 502 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: take anything away from him, but you and I were 503 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: conversing a little bit on Monday night about this, and 504 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: the main thought that kept the voice I heard, the 505 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy voice in the back of my head about 506 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: you know, there's good players there's good players with moments 507 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: of greatness, and then there's elite players. Josh Dobbs is 508 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: a good player with moments of greatness. But there's something 509 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: about this game, with the difficulty of it. It drags 510 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: you back down to earth real quick, yep does. And 511 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 2: Chicago is if Chicago's going to do anything the Josh 512 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: the Justin fields things. If they're ever going to do anything, 513 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: they have to find ways to turn these takeaways into points. 514 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: They still aren't doing it, and they got away with 515 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: one against Minnesota. Luckily for green Bay it worked out 516 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: that way. But there's gonna be teams here, you know, 517 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: team like Seattle too, has some really off matchups on 518 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 2: the horizon. The Green Bay Packers just need to win 519 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 2: football games here. They need to take care of business. 520 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: And you know, see where it takes you from there, 521 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: because I I really have a hard time believing Mike 522 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: at least not one, if not both of the wild 523 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: card spots, they are really only gonna need nine wins 524 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: to break into the postseason. 525 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it might, It certainly might end up that way. 526 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: And with with six games to go for all of 527 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: these teams that are anywhere from you know, six and 528 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: five to four and seven right now in the NFC, 529 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: all these teams that are that are bunched into that 530 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: group that you look at as as you know, contending 531 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: for those last two, the six and seven spots. There 532 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: are six games to go. That is a ton of football, 533 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of games that week to week. You know, 534 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: this team's gonna win and then be the team everybody's 535 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, scared of, and then the next week they're 536 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: gonna take it on the chin. And you know, as 537 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: you said, it's it's you. You just have to you 538 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: just have to keep winning games. You have to win 539 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: whatever games you can. You just you you prepare every week. 540 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: It's a week to week league. It's one at a time. 541 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: All all of those cliches, they're cliches, Wes because they're. 542 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: True, absolutely, and they say it a lot. 543 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, So with that we'll call it a rap 544 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow 545 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team all week long 546 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank you 547 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.