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Speaker 4: the Players now, the guys, I start the same way. Hey,
Speaker 4: when I'm running things, I gotta ask the same thing.
Speaker 2: How you mind? Man? How you doing?
Speaker 5: I'm doing amazing? You know today was a great day.
Speaker 5: Went on the golf course a little earlier today. Man
Speaker 5: it shot a seventy eight. I mean too many cats
Speaker 5: doing that. Man, I shot a seventy eight and I
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Speaker 5: best you were, best you do.
Speaker 4: Let you be getting a lot of suns. Okay, how
Speaker 4: do I hear that say? I'm gonna play golf. I
Speaker 4: don't care if it's one sixteen or not. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be out there. I'm playing. You know, only certain friends
Speaker 4: can compliment you on your team. I got hey, I
Speaker 4: know he went knowing.
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 4: Brother?
Speaker 6: I'm eleaked? Man?
Speaker 3: I am elitd Okay, what shoes you got on that?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: I know you're trying to hide. Yeah, check your shop?
Speaker 2: We checking you. What shoes you got a newie? He's
Speaker 2: not gonna show him what you got all.
Speaker 7: Newe dude, I got on George sitting here at the desk.
Speaker 2: Okay, you want to take my shoes off. No, No,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna make you do that new it. But you, hey,
Speaker 2: you are don't believe you? Yeah, now you don't believe
Speaker 2: that you got the bromos.
Speaker 4: Hey you're there in camp, man, you gotta be our
Speaker 4: eyes and ears down there.
Speaker 2: What is the vibe like right now in ox?
Speaker 6: Now, wait, let's just stop because you got.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, see right there says see that
Speaker 2: that's pressure five man.
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan's yes, goodness, gracious man, geeze man, I love
Speaker 7: to see. Why aren't getting hazed on this ship? Why
Speaker 7: am I getting hazed on this show? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy was asked about Ezekiel Elliot because Jerry Jones
Speaker 7: has said on radios early as today that you know what,
Speaker 7: there could be a possibility of Ezekiel Ellie. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 7: when he talked to the media, shut it down, saying,
Speaker 7: they've got these younger players here. They want to see
Speaker 7: what the younger players have and if you bring back
Speaker 7: at Ezekiel Elliot, that starts to cut into the reps.
Speaker 7: And then also we spoke about the financial aspect of it,
Speaker 7: because look, they got these younger players outside of Tony Pollitt.
Speaker 7: They got these younger players on cheat deals, so they
Speaker 7: want to see what's going on with them. So if
Speaker 7: anybody's thinking about Ezekiel Elliott coming back, that's not happening.
Speaker 6: And know by the way they already gave his number away.
Speaker 8: Oh man, that's rough wing where somebody give us a
Speaker 8: number way that quick.
Speaker 5: But I know you were driving up yesterday to Oxnar,
Speaker 5: so you didn't really get to catch that that full
Speaker 5: padded practice that they had the other day. But from
Speaker 5: from you just being there now, I see the players
Speaker 5: in the background warming up for practice. What is your
Speaker 5: feel like about the first round, Prick Mazzie Smith. I mean,
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of reports out there. It seems
Speaker 5: like he's dominant the trenches early and often what you
Speaker 5: would love to see. But what is your vibe around
Speaker 5: camp and what is he looking like so far early
Speaker 5: in this camp?
Speaker 7: So when I get done with you guys, the person
Speaker 7: I go immediately find is Nate Newton, and I watch
Speaker 7: practice with Nate and I just we just start going
Speaker 7: down and looking at the different offensive and defensive lineman
Speaker 7: and so that is what I'm going to go do.
Speaker 7: Stand next to Nate Newton and the next player's lines.
Speaker 7: I will have a full report for you because Nate
Speaker 7: does not miss when it comes to these offensive defensive
Speaker 7: line because he knows exactly what to look for. So
Speaker 7: I go find Nate because he's my Yoda when it comes.
Speaker 2: To these guys. So is Nate the same?
Speaker 4: Has he given you any feedback on the offensive line
Speaker 4: so far? Because you don't have Zach martinair, We're still
Speaker 4: figuring out about Tyren Smith, Like, how are we looking
Speaker 4: on the offensive line? Because I've been reading that the
Speaker 4: defensive line has been dominating you know in camp. Is
Speaker 4: that because the defensive line is just that good? Or
Speaker 4: do you see our offensive line that struggling trying to
Speaker 4: figure out what rotation we're going to be in especial
Speaker 4: So with a new offensive line coach, I.
Speaker 7: Think it's a little bit of both right there. I
Speaker 7: mean this this defense is good, Okay, the defensive guys.
Speaker 7: Talking to Lake vander USh yesterday, vander Rush mentioned Super.
Speaker 8: Bowl ok goodness, and yes, yes he did.
Speaker 2: He went there to bring it up.
Speaker 7: Okay, he talked about Super Bowl winning a championship. Mike
Speaker 7: McCarthy today said he's never had a team with this
Speaker 7: much defensive line depth. This is a guy who's won
Speaker 7: a Super Bowl in his career, who's had a team
Speaker 7: go fifteen in one of the regular seasons. So when
Speaker 7: you see that this defensive line is having, you know,
Speaker 7: a little bit of an edge on the offensive line,
Speaker 7: that's nothing to be shocked at. You saw the video
Speaker 7: yesterday when Michael Parsons went past Tyres Smith, and Tyres Smith.
Speaker 6: You know, I mean, what a good look for him.
Speaker 7: But that's how great Parsons is and you got a
Speaker 7: guy on that defensive line. So this right now looks
Speaker 7: like a strength of the football team. Where we get
Speaker 7: done with practicing to be able to put more eyes
Speaker 7: and look intently at the defensive tackle position because I've
Speaker 7: got to be able to stop the run. And also
Speaker 7: when I sit down and talk today, I'll ask him
Speaker 7: about how much further along is this defensive line versus
Speaker 7: the offensive line and looking and seeing it where guys
Speaker 7: are your man's Josh Ball is starting at right tackle
Speaker 7: right now, place Zack Martin, So we'll see hooda.
Speaker 8: Hey, I've never seen you know, Tyron Smith look like
Speaker 8: that in the practice.
Speaker 5: I'm saw you guys all see the clip where you
Speaker 5: know Parsons, which the guy's a beast, But I've never
Speaker 5: seen somebody kind of just hip toss Tyron Smith like that.
Speaker 5: So that's gonna be a battle at camp that I'm
Speaker 5: looking forward to watching.
Speaker 2: But hum, what do you know? Okay, you're looking forward
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 4: We just watched. Let me tell you something. I watched
Speaker 4: the fight on Saturday night. Okay, so no, I'm not
Speaker 4: looking no, No, I just.
Speaker 2: Wanted to stay healthy. That's not what I want to see.
Speaker 4: It was. We're depending on Tyron Smith to be our
Speaker 4: starting left tackle. That is not what I want to
Speaker 4: see as we're in camp, all right, I don't want
Speaker 4: to see anything that could possibly get you injured, because
Speaker 4: those are movements that could possibly get you.
Speaker 2: It is up. It made you cringe when you sign
Speaker 2: number seventy seven. Go everyone, I don't want to see that.
Speaker 7: It's not happening today. Okay, guys, I guarantee it's not
Speaker 7: happening today. Wow, Because Mike McCarthy said they're gonna bet
Speaker 7: michaeccrty said they're gonna have tiring.
Speaker 4: Just an individual today already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 7: Looks good though, man, to tell you, right, now, guys,
Speaker 7: he looks good.
Speaker 6: Guys, looks good man.
Speaker 5: We don't heard that so much. But we're talking about
Speaker 5: back to back to Mike mccarthur. You have mentioned him
Speaker 5: a little bit ago. Do you feel that he's he's
Speaker 5: feeling the pressure because this is a huge year. This
Speaker 5: is a huge year for Mike McCarthy's taking over play
Speaker 5: calling duty, and he's basically saying, Hey, I'm gonna put
Speaker 5: it all on my shoulders. If I go down with
Speaker 5: the ship, I'm gonna go down swimming, swimming, swinginging. Do
Speaker 5: you see or do you feel any pressure with Michae
Speaker 5: McCarthy going into this year.
Speaker 6: No, I don't. I really don't.
Speaker 7: I think Mike McCarthy would a better play caller than
Speaker 7: what they've had the past couple of seasons.
Speaker 6: So I'm not that worried about it.
Speaker 7: Look, this is gonna be a team that is a
Speaker 7: defensive football team. They've got to figure out exactly how
Speaker 7: they want to mix other people. Antony Pollard run the football,
Speaker 7: and if Brandon Cook stays healthy, they're going to have
Speaker 7: some weapons here. I'm not really worried about the play
Speaker 7: calling that.
Speaker 6: I'm just not I mean, Mike's done this before the
Speaker 6: guys won a Super Bowl. Here's the interesting thing. Okay,
Speaker 6: Sean Payton call the plays.
Speaker 7: Everybody praise the Sean all day long, as they should
Speaker 7: because he's really good. But Sean Payton, you start to
Speaker 7: look at his win loss record, super Bowl wins, it's
Speaker 7: right there on McCarthy and they do the same thing.
Speaker 6: It's just Mike is not this guy that plays to.
Speaker 7: The media and talks and gives you all these great
Speaker 7: sound bites the.
Speaker 6: Way Sean Payton does.
Speaker 7: But I just think some of that is almost amount
Speaker 7: of disrespect the act like this guy is just some
Speaker 7: bum off the street.
Speaker 6: The guy's a pretty good play called his career.
Speaker 2: Guys, I listen. I believe it. Mike.
Speaker 4: I've been asking fun to call the players since he
Speaker 4: got here. Okay, show us what you learned in the lab.
Speaker 4: We know that the game has changed a little bit,
Speaker 4: soins the last time you have call plays, and now
Speaker 4: you had an opportunity to come in and show what
Speaker 4: you can do. And now everything is on you. It's
Speaker 4: on you and your quarterback. And I think that's how
Speaker 4: Mike wants it. So I'm excited to see what looks
Speaker 4: like once we get into the seasons now a preseason game.
Speaker 4: I'm just excited to see Mike McCarthy call plays in
Speaker 4: live action. And the thing is, we've been talking about
Speaker 4: what Mike McCarthy's playing offense is going to look like,
Speaker 4: and we hadn't seen it in three years so far,
Speaker 4: so him getting that opportunity. Schottenhammer got interviewed yesterday. He
Speaker 4: talked a little bit about the offense, but I think
Speaker 4: what we all want to see is the weaponry bringing
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks, but you know that you're gonna need more
Speaker 4: than that to complement CD and Michael Gallup. Guys like
Speaker 4: Cavante Turpin. We haven't talked about him, but I think
Speaker 4: all last year, because of that deficiency with the wide receivers,
Speaker 4: we were looking for a playmaker. How what are your
Speaker 4: expectations for him in this offense and with Mike McCarthy's players. Well,
Speaker 4: for me, I believe you know Cavante Turpin, he's one
Speaker 4: of those explosive guys that when.
Speaker 5: He gets the ball in his hands, anything can happen.
Speaker 5: I mean, we've seen he's a Pro Bowl returner out there.
Speaker 5: We could see what he can do with the ball
Speaker 5: in his hands. I was surprised last year he didn't
Speaker 5: get more opportunities, whether it's a jet suite for kind
Speaker 5: of a screen, just to get the ball in his
Speaker 5: hands in open space. And I'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 5: him getting more opportunities in this Mike McCarthy offense.
Speaker 8: I can see him being that fourth receiver.
Speaker 5: That gadget guy. They may line him up in a
Speaker 5: backfield next to Tony polor something like that. So I'm
Speaker 5: interested to see what he can do this season. But
Speaker 5: he is explosive once he gets the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2: I don't feel the same. Oh all right, I want
Speaker 2: him to be a returner.
Speaker 4: I want that to be what he focuses on and
Speaker 4: what he does. Okay, cause we always get to this
Speaker 4: thing where we're like.
Speaker 2: The more weapons the better.
Speaker 4: Nah man, No, you got you got lu CD lamb Yap,
Speaker 4: who's gonna demand the rock? Okay, you got Brandon Cooks
Speaker 4: who is gonna demand the rock? Okay, you just drafted
Speaker 4: a tight end in the second round. You got Tony
Speaker 4: Poler who's gonna demand the rock.
Speaker 2: We don't what with f fourth receiver? What we just saying?
Speaker 4: And so No, when I when I'm looking at I'm saying,
Speaker 4: if we're talking about we're gonna run the ball as
Speaker 4: much as Mike McCarthy has said we're gonna run the ball,
Speaker 4: then I don't see us getting down to the fourth
Speaker 4: receiver being that type of uh, having that type of
Speaker 4: impact on this game.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: You you you need to have the top two, which
Speaker 4: is gonna be Brandon Cooks and Cede Lamb. You got
Speaker 4: Tony Pauler, who you're paying ten million dollars, and then
Speaker 4: your quarterback. All right, how's your officer line?
Speaker 2: Look? And work through those three? And I think you'll
Speaker 2: be okay? What about you? Man?
Speaker 6: So okay?
Speaker 7: So here's the question I have, based on what you're
Speaker 7: telling me, Danny, how many touches a game combined? Do
Speaker 7: you see Cavante Turpin at Deuce Vaughan happening for the cowboy?
Speaker 6: Which it will make you feel comfortable.
Speaker 4: You know what, if Duce Vaughan really breaks into that
Speaker 4: roster spot to where he's used as a weapon, I
Speaker 4: would expect them to see maybe ten. But I'm saying
Speaker 4: seven and three offensive with Vaughn. I would say Vaughn
Speaker 4: gets the majority of those carries, because, like you said,
Speaker 4: we're trying to figure out how many reps Tony Paula's
Speaker 4: gonna be able to get. I can see Duce von
Speaker 4: being a person who can spell Tony Pollard way more
Speaker 4: than a guy like Cavante Turpy can. So yes, gadget
Speaker 4: plays if you run a speed sleep double reverse, stuff
Speaker 4: like that, you throw Turping in for something like that
Speaker 4: are to be a to disguise, and it's trying to
Speaker 4: trick the defense. But other than that, I'm not seeing
Speaker 4: them on the field as an offensive threat that much.
Speaker 4: He had an opportunity last year. Then you saw t
Speaker 4: Y Hilton come in and then beat the guy at
Speaker 4: the end when when Turping was already.
Speaker 2: On the roster.
Speaker 4: So it's something that they're seeing or something that he's
Speaker 4: not able to do that that that they're just saying.
Speaker 4: You know, we're gonna go to a guy like Duce
Speaker 4: Vaughan and see what we can make happen.
Speaker 7: And Louie, I think you got a better play caller now,
Speaker 7: you gofer disrespect.
Speaker 4: He called the same place for t Y Hilton to
Speaker 4: get get open and h you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: to catch a big time pass. So I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: put that one on killing I put enough on killing
Speaker 4: Moore as far as you know his effect on the offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, noui yea.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that, you know, during OTA's I
Speaker 4: kind of have to thought watching both of them play,
Speaker 4: knowing that the only way that deuce Van can make
Speaker 4: the team is also his contribution on special teams. So
Speaker 4: that's also going to be as a returner in some sense.
Speaker 4: How does him and Cavante turfing coexist in that lane
Speaker 4: when that's been in How Covante has got his claim
Speaker 4: the fan.
Speaker 5: That's the thing that's gonna be difficult because to me,
Speaker 5: you got a Pro Bowl return. I mean, how many
Speaker 5: times did we watched last year. We're like, man, he's
Speaker 5: that close. He was that close to breaking a big one.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you got dynamite in his hand.
Speaker 5: So I wouldn't mind him staying at that return spot.
Speaker 5: And duece fan like, like you said, he can be
Speaker 5: that kind of gadget guy screen guy, because look, no disrespect,
Speaker 5: but we know he's not picking up any blocks.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's not picking up through I think that's
Speaker 8: just not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: So for him to be on the field, he's got
Speaker 5: to have to either have the ball in his hands
Speaker 5: in some instant or kind of be a distraction. And
Speaker 5: I can see him having that type of role, But
Speaker 5: as far as spelling Tony Pollat, I'm not sure sure
Speaker 5: because we don't we don't have that that bell cow
Speaker 5: back right now, because not even Tony Pollard is really
Speaker 5: that bell cow back.
Speaker 8: He's on, you know, fifteen to seventeen touch kind of guy.
Speaker 5: We don't have a guy that can go in there
Speaker 5: and give you three clouds in the three yards in
Speaker 5: a cloud of dust and keep things moving.
Speaker 8: So we'll see how the cowboys do with that.
Speaker 4: Let me and let me tell you that's okay. I know,
Speaker 4: I know it's bad. Duvon his father Okay is up
Speaker 4: there telling him, Hey, man, watch what the pep's doing
Speaker 4: on the personal protectors doing on punt team. Okay, figure
Speaker 4: out what you can do on punt return team to
Speaker 4: help Turp and get free right. How versatile can you
Speaker 4: be because if Turpin is gonna be here right and
Speaker 4: you need to be here too, and y'all battling for
Speaker 4: the same spot, then you have to be able to
Speaker 4: do more things right outside of being a returner. So
Speaker 4: I expect them to see if he's on the roster,
Speaker 4: I expect them to see him making some tackles, running
Speaker 4: down there is I.
Speaker 2: Expect them to see.
Speaker 4: I expect to see him doing those type of things
Speaker 4: versus being a returner. Know y'all gotta ask you, man,
Speaker 4: you've been down there, you just got there. We talked
Speaker 4: a little bit offline about Jerry Jones comments. Uh, he's
Speaker 4: been talking to the media. He's talked about a current
Speaker 4: player and a former coach.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You got to give me your thoughts on what he
Speaker 4: said about Zach Martin and also this saga that's going
Speaker 4: on between him and Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 6: With the Jimmy Johnson soag. I go back into last year.
Speaker 7: When I sat down talked to Jerry one on one
Speaker 7: and I called it petty. I actually said that Jerry,
Speaker 7: this is petty and Penny continue.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It's because Jimmy wrote the book, and Jimmy wrote a
Speaker 7: whole chapter on he and Jerry his book Swagger, and
Speaker 7: Jerry didn't appreciate it. But for him to come out
Speaker 7: and say that Jimmy's not the only coach that deserves
Speaker 7: consideration for the Cowboys Ring of Honor and then ask
Speaker 7: the follow up like, well who, and he's got nothing.
Speaker 7: That just tells you the petty and its of where
Speaker 7: we're at here. And that's sad to see because those
Speaker 7: two gentlemen revived the Dallas Cowboys franchise and it became
Speaker 7: of the team of the nineties, and the fact that
Speaker 7: Jimmy's not in that Ring of Honor, it's a shame
Speaker 7: that Jimmy had said in the interview to me, He's like,
Speaker 7: you know what, if Jerry just put me in, it'll
Speaker 7: all be over. You know, you just put me in
Speaker 7: one day and just be done with it. So I
Speaker 7: don't know why Jerry keeps doing that.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think it'll it'll happen though, I mean,
Speaker 4: we've gotten to this one. He's been inducted into the
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. Every time someone asked him a question
Speaker 4: about it, kind of dances around it, but ultimately the
Speaker 4: power is here is to put him in the Ring
Speaker 4: of Honor.
Speaker 2: Do you think it happens.
Speaker 6: Right right now?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Right now?
Speaker 7: No, this is the second year that we've asked about it,
Speaker 7: and he's duck his heels in even more. I mean
Speaker 7: to come up and say, well, there's other coaches who
Speaker 7: there is no the's.
Speaker 2: No one else.
Speaker 7: No, you're not going to put Barry Switzer in the
Speaker 7: Ring of Honor. You're just You're just not You're not
Speaker 7: putting Barry Switzer in the Ring of Honor. I'm sorry,
Speaker 7: and I know he was a Super Bowl winning head coach,
Speaker 7: but come on now, if Barry runs up in that
Speaker 7: thing with with a blue jacket before Jimmy Johnson, Mary
Speaker 7: may get booed out there cowboy fans and should get
Speaker 7: booed at. I mean, come on, it's just it's just stopped.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, what are we doing here? It
Speaker 7: doesn't it doesn't make sense. And they have the media
Speaker 7: party tonight and I'm sure he'll probably get asked about
Speaker 7: it offline as well, like come on, man, what are
Speaker 7: we doing?
Speaker 4: But we'll see the guy's talking about. A guy that
Speaker 4: won't get booed by cowboy fans is Zach. But he's
Speaker 4: doing something. And you heard Jerry Jones talk about it.
Speaker 4: Jerry just kind of let it and I'm paraphrasing I
Speaker 4: gotta pay, I gotta pay, Micah. You know, but you guys,
Speaker 4: as players that have dealt with contracts and know how
Speaker 4: this whole thing goes. What do you think about Zach
Speaker 4: Martin stands, and also what do you think about Jerry's
Speaker 4: response to that?
Speaker 2: You know what, you know.
Speaker 4: I can't remember a time where I heard Jerry speak
Speaker 4: this way about a contract situation, pretty much like like
Speaker 4: you said, digging your heels in and saying, hey, it
Speaker 4: is what it is pretty much, and I got bigger
Speaker 4: fish at this point to Fry, We're making sure we
Speaker 4: get Michael Parson's paid. And oh, by the way, there
Speaker 4: are other people who were going to are gonna need
Speaker 4: to be paid on the roster as well. So Zach Martin,
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of he's down there on that
Speaker 4: list and they say, he listen, we got you in
Speaker 4: the contract for another two years. Danny, you've been worried
Speaker 4: about this offensive line all off season. This has to
Speaker 4: give you the VGs you gotta be, I mean, because
Speaker 4: you need Zach Martin and this is the wrong for
Speaker 4: him to be on out Like the only team that
Speaker 4: scares me about the Zach Byrton thing is if he
Speaker 4: goes to pick up a you know, an old old
Speaker 4: tactic that Trent Williams used back in Washington where he
Speaker 4: actually did sit out the whole year, you know, for
Speaker 4: different reasons.
Speaker 2: But there are players who have been willing to do
Speaker 2: this type of thing. Uh.
Speaker 4: So that scares me a little bit. But me knowing
Speaker 4: Zach Martin for the little time that I have known him,
Speaker 4: and then knowing that he he wants to be a
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame player. He wants to be a part
Speaker 4: of a team that's possibly going to win the Super
Speaker 4: Bowl I have, or at least be competitive. And this
Speaker 4: is the team that is going to be able to
Speaker 4: do that as long as they remain healthy, and he's
Speaker 4: going to be an integral part of that. So I
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be hard for him to sit on
Speaker 4: the sideline.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: They'll have a discussion, uh, figure something out, and I
Speaker 4: think he'll be get my purse.
Speaker 2: You take care of your hope, because I not let
Speaker 2: me let me tell I don't care how good the
Speaker 2: defense is.
Speaker 4: You don't have no officive line coming in here with
Speaker 4: all these weapons that we got you and Trump he
Speaker 4: did air quotes, you got six weapons.
Speaker 2: He's needed. He's needed here.
Speaker 5: And like you said, he's not only the best offensive
Speaker 5: lineman that the Cowboys have, but he's arguably the best
Speaker 5: offensive lineman in the National Football League right now outside
Speaker 5: of Trent Wins. I think Trent Williams probably the best overall.
Speaker 5: But right behind him is a Zach Martin.
Speaker 8: And if you.
Speaker 5: Look at the you know, the pay scale here, he's
Speaker 5: the best guard in the league, but he's six million
Speaker 5: dollars behind the highest paid guard. I think it's a
Speaker 5: guy from Indianapolis, Nelson, So I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 5: He's like, look, man, I'm the first guard to ever
Speaker 5: get a ninety nine on Madden. I'm the best. You
Speaker 5: see the ninety nine club, Like I'm still in my prime.
Speaker 5: Kind of like he's still at the top of his game,
Speaker 5: and he understands that, look, y'all need me, y'all need
Speaker 5: me to have this offensive line work together as a unit.
Speaker 5: I'm the thing that kind of jails everything together. So
Speaker 5: he's playing his leverage, and to me, it's kind of
Speaker 5: a smart move because what has he got to lose.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I'm gonna go out there and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna make X amount of money anyways, so let me
Speaker 5: go out here and see if I can get paid
Speaker 5: a little bit extra. To me, it's a smart move
Speaker 5: because the Cowboys need him outside of Dak Prescott. I
Speaker 5: think he's the most important offensive guy that they had.
Speaker 5: I mean because if he's under pressure all day. We
Speaker 5: understand what happens with Dak Prescott when he's under pressure
Speaker 5: all day. Hey what Zach Martin not being there? It
Speaker 5: could be it could be some trouble. So I think
Speaker 5: it's a smart move on his behalf. But they got
Speaker 5: to get something done before the regular season starts.
Speaker 7: All right, So you guys, you are looking at it,
Speaker 7: You're zooming, and I'm gonna zoom out here a little bit.
Speaker 7: And one of the things Jerry spoke about, He's like, hey,
Speaker 7: now you've been paid at the top of the market
Speaker 7: for a while here, because when Zach got his dealed,
Speaker 7: Jerry wrote the check made him the highest paid guard
Speaker 7: of the game, and Zach and his agents were also
Speaker 7: the ones who willingly decided to do the deal for
Speaker 7: six years.
Speaker 2: So Jerry's like, hey, I did my part.
Speaker 6: For you, and you and your agent.
Speaker 7: Everybody understands how long these TV deals work and that
Speaker 7: the market's.
Speaker 6: Gonna go up. But he did take care of Zach
Speaker 6: and put him there. I'm just and that's part of
Speaker 6: his point thing.
Speaker 7: The other part that we don't know about is while
Speaker 7: he just worked on that deal and got it done
Speaker 7: for Trevon Diggs, what other deals is he? Is he
Speaker 7: working on something for Cede Lamb? And as you're working
Speaker 7: your cap and your numbers here and you've working on
Speaker 7: maybe something for Dak how much does l By the way,
Speaker 7: if I give Zach Martin six million dollars right now
Speaker 7: or whatever he and his agent may want, how does
Speaker 7: it mess up or prevent me from getting exactly what
Speaker 7: I'm trying to get done with player other you know,
Speaker 7: player X and Y behind the scenes. That's something that
Speaker 7: I think is pretty interesting that that maybe I'll ask
Speaker 7: if I if I can ask somebody else in the organization,
Speaker 7: you know, kind of give me some stuff off the record.
Speaker 6: How that plays into it?
Speaker 7: Because we saw the Digs deal get done, you got
Speaker 7: to know they're trying to work on some other guys
Speaker 7: that get done. Because I'll say this, I would love
Speaker 7: to get Ceedee Lamb done. And if I'm the Cowboys
Speaker 7: before George Jefferson.
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Speaker 4: On the Players Lounge and knew he has dropped off
Speaker 4: because you know they about to start hit and so
Speaker 4: you know it was perfect time for them to step away.
Speaker 4: But one of the things that we've been talking about
Speaker 4: on our chat is just trying to figure out who
Speaker 4: it are those guys on this roster that obviously a
Speaker 4: Trump battling for a position.
Speaker 2: We were talking a little bit about this.
Speaker 4: I want to go back to it because I believe
Speaker 4: that your discussion about the running back room, especially now
Speaker 4: that Jones has been has been suspended for two games
Speaker 4: that they just announced that yesterday, Now that opens things
Speaker 4: up for that position group for guys that you may
Speaker 4: not even consider to even make the squad now possibly
Speaker 4: make it. Listen, as we went into it, and we
Speaker 4: talked about Jones before we stopped our podcast.
Speaker 2: We were all still wondering he was going to make
Speaker 2: the roster. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so freeing up
Speaker 2: the spot.
Speaker 4: We know that his role on the roster, he was
Speaker 4: probably the only one in that role of like he
Speaker 4: was going to be that, hey man, it's fourth and two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like how can we get it done?
Speaker 4: But now he's going to give other guys opportunities to
Speaker 4: go out and show that they can do that, or
Speaker 4: give Mike McCarthy enough time to draw up some more
Speaker 4: fourth and two players where you say, you know what,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe we don't have to just line up and
Speaker 4: run power when it's fourth and too. We can get
Speaker 4: a little bit more creative with some of the weapons
Speaker 4: that we have back here. So absolutely, guy like Duce
Speaker 4: fun is very happy. I'm not gonna say happy, you know,
Speaker 4: but yeah, he ain't said he wasn't saying there the news.
Speaker 2: Oh for real.
Speaker 4: This is when you start. This is when you as
Speaker 4: a player, you start to say, man things, you know,
Speaker 4: all the chips falling in my favor right now, blessing me. Right,
Speaker 4: I get drafted to the team and my Daddy works
Speaker 4: for now, all of a sudden, this dude get two
Speaker 4: game suspension. Now I'm I'm moving up a spot on
Speaker 4: the roster, getting more opportunities, and I ever thought that
Speaker 4: I was gonna get so Yeah, the running back room
Speaker 4: is probably one of the most competitive uh uh position
Speaker 4: groups on the team at this moment. That and then
Speaker 4: you know, officer line were still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4: I won't even consider that like a competition. We just
Speaker 4: at that point it is just putting a puzzle together
Speaker 4: just because we want. We don't know who's gonna be
Speaker 4: healthy who's not. But that running back room, that's that's
Speaker 4: one to watch, just.
Speaker 5: To piggyback off here running back and yeah, he gotta
Speaker 5: be charged right now. Like he said, everything is kind
Speaker 5: of falling right into place. And I mean it happens
Speaker 5: with me and you were coming in here as undrafted guys.
Speaker 5: It kind of just kind of fell the way. I mean,
Speaker 5: we worked hard, we trained.
Speaker 8: For you know, and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But you know, injury here, you know, guys not showing
Speaker 5: up the mini camp here and there gave me and
Speaker 5: Daddy all the reps we needed and we were able
Speaker 5: to take advantage and That's the big thing that he's
Speaker 5: gonna have to do is take advantage of the reps
Speaker 5: you're given. Because right now you got Tony Poler coming
Speaker 5: back from an injury. Like you said, Rojo's gonna be
Speaker 5: out for two games if he makes the squad going
Speaker 5: into the season. So these guys, Rico Dial well the
Speaker 5: Mike Davis says, they're gonna have to take full advantage
Speaker 5: of the opportunities they're given, and hopefully they can't do
Speaker 5: so and show the Cowboys something. But when you talk
Speaker 5: about guys that to me, gotta have a good camp
Speaker 5: and gotta go out there and shoulder a game or
Speaker 5: at least shoulder coaches something each and every day, like, oh.
Speaker 8: Man, he got better at this, he got better at that.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have to go back to my guy, man
Speaker 8: Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 5: I mean, I didn't think he would be in this position,
Speaker 5: you know, at this point in his career, because I
Speaker 5: thought he was gonna be shooting up like a rocket.
Speaker 5: But it just didn't seem to work like that last year.
Speaker 5: And then as you said earlier, they added a Manzi Smith.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got guys in there, oh DIGGI Zua,
Speaker 5: you got a lot of competition for that interior defensive
Speaker 5: tackle position right there, So he's gonna have to show
Speaker 5: these coaches each and every day at practice. Man, he's
Speaker 5: gotten better at this rush movie. He can hold the
Speaker 5: point of attack right here. He's gonna have to show
Speaker 5: some each and every day and including these preseason games
Speaker 5: if he's gonna want a roster spot of this season.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I mean, you bring up a wonderful
Speaker 4: point because Neville Gallimore, I think for the last couple
Speaker 4: of years before he got the elbow injury, he was
Speaker 4: one of those guys that they looked at as being
Speaker 4: just kind of penciled in, just a high energy guy.
Speaker 4: But you lose a Carlos Watkins, and how do you
Speaker 4: replace that energy from Carlos Watkins. And that's why we
Speaker 4: talked about guys like Chauncey Golston because you want to
Speaker 4: see those third year guys absolutely start to take a
Speaker 4: little bit more onus on this in that defensive line rotation.
Speaker 4: But I am so happy that you back because I
Speaker 4: want to ask you about your LSU Titan Jabrill comes
Speaker 4: because we talk about guys that's looking to make the
Speaker 4: roster and I'm not saying that, maybe because he does
Speaker 4: things on special teams as well, and he's solidified himself
Speaker 4: with Bones Fossil. But are you in a position when
Speaker 4: you think about him as a linebacker, you guys playing
Speaker 4: you know those roles in the box. What do you
Speaker 4: think about him and where he is right now coming
Speaker 4: back from that knee injury two years removed? You know
Speaker 4: special teams, which is you know, like when you look
Speaker 4: at our roster, you look at our linebackers and then
Speaker 4: you throw in the bone Clark. So let's he's already
Speaker 4: jumped Jabril Cox to me because he came off an
Speaker 4: injury to me early and then he showed signs of
Speaker 4: what he was at LSU and I've met the guy
Speaker 4: and he's focused, he ready to go. So Jabrill Cox,
Speaker 4: I think that in order to make the roster, he
Speaker 4: needs to stay in good graces with Bones Fossil because
Speaker 4: that will be ninety percent of of his role on
Speaker 4: the team this season. But I think he still has
Speaker 4: the opportunity to get better. Like we said, there's seventeen
Speaker 4: games of the season now, eighteen four weeks and then
Speaker 4: you include the playoffs. Guys are gonna get hurt guys
Speaker 4: are gonna miss time. It's what he does if he
Speaker 4: gets the opportunity to then get in the game. And
Speaker 4: he showed some flashes of it, but he has to
Speaker 4: be a lot more consistent if he wants to have
Speaker 4: a long, long term role on a defense like this,
Speaker 4: because this type of defense, when you have a good defense,
Speaker 4: it puts pressure on other players who then come in
Speaker 4: when somebody gets injured to say, hey man, if you
Speaker 4: not ready, it's another guy waiting.
Speaker 2: You got to play up to this standard.
Speaker 4: This is the standard that you have to play up
Speaker 4: to and if you're not able to do it, then
Speaker 4: we can go find somebody else. And Dan Quinn and
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy they have shown that they willing to go
Speaker 4: get somebody else. So Jabril Cox he got an uphill battle.
Speaker 4: But hey man, I always say this, be best friends
Speaker 4: with that special teams coach, and then when your opportunity
Speaker 4: presents itself, make sure that you maximize it because if
Speaker 4: you don't, it'll be over BEFO.
Speaker 2: You know it.
Speaker 4: And it is my opinion that this defense the only
Speaker 4: group that you can look at to say this is
Speaker 4: the one group that really can't separate them into being
Speaker 4: that elite defense, because if you look up front, you
Speaker 4: think that they have the pieces with bringing in the
Speaker 4: Mansie Smith. You look at now everybody saying that that
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons is a defensive end.
Speaker 2: He's we're in agreeing to that. Yeah, he's a defensive end.
Speaker 4: You look at your cornerbacks now with Diggs and Gallimore
Speaker 4: and Gilmore and your safeties, I believe you feel you
Speaker 4: feel pretty comfortable, you feel pretty confident about it. But
Speaker 4: your linebackers, I think that's where the separation is. And
Speaker 4: that's why you're talking about a guy like Jabrell Cox
Speaker 4: who's had all of that expectation placed on him taking
Speaker 4: the next leap, but also DeMont Clark. I have high
Speaker 4: expectations for them. I have high expectations for him coming
Speaker 4: Like I said, coming out the injury last year, I
Speaker 4: thought he came back early. Those are not was a
Speaker 4: neck injury out, but it's not. Those are not injuries
Speaker 4: to play with, and it takes you some time to
Speaker 4: then feel comfortable enough to go out there and play
Speaker 4: relentless like you usually do because you're not really sure
Speaker 4: this is now a you're removed from that where he
Speaker 4: then got some playing time last year, which we didn't expect,
Speaker 4: and he showed shignes to me being being a player
Speaker 4: that we saw him be at LSU. So I think
Speaker 4: this year him looking at him at LVE once you
Speaker 4: get mid seasoning being a hell of a force out
Speaker 4: there as our linebackers, Yeah.
Speaker 5: That can be a heck of a duo, especially on
Speaker 5: the Montclark like you were saying, I mean the guy
Speaker 5: he took a jump last year.
Speaker 8: I mean you saw him.
Speaker 5: Some have some mistakes out there, but that's that's gonna
Speaker 5: that's gonna happen to rookies. I mean, especially at the linebackers.
Speaker 5: You gotta read everything out there, you know, run past option.
Speaker 5: I mean it's tough as a linebacker. But him getting
Speaker 5: more comfortable in dan Quinn's system, he should have a
Speaker 5: breakout year. I mean the guy he has all the
Speaker 5: all the traits, I mean sideline, the sidelines, as far
Speaker 5: as speed, he can cover guys out there, he comes downhill,
Speaker 5: so he has all the traits. Can he put it
Speaker 5: together and have a complete season. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 5: seeing it now. That's that's one of the things that
Speaker 5: I like about him. His coverage ability as well. I
Speaker 5: think he's really good in coverage.
Speaker 4: But the Marvin Overshan from the University of Texas, I
Speaker 4: think he also puts pressure on this linebacker group as well, because,
Speaker 4: as you know, Dan Quinn loves those tweener guys. Guys
Speaker 4: they can do to more than one thing. He's not
Speaker 4: only a linebacker, but he's also a hybrid safety kind
Speaker 4: of in you know, in the same lane as a
Speaker 4: Javon Curse. So you know, like I said, I talk
Speaker 4: about the linebacker group, but I talk about those guys
Speaker 4: in terms of them being the piece that you need
Speaker 4: to go into the stratosphere of being an elite defense.
Speaker 4: But moving on to the next topic, guys, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna charge this when the Barry Church because he.
Speaker 2: Forced this on the topic.
Speaker 4: But my man, Dak Prescott is going viral for the
Speaker 4: wrong I'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying, what's going.
Speaker 3: On social media situation going on right now, guys, Dak
Speaker 3: is being killed in social media because of interceptions.
Speaker 12: In practice, Barry, Barry, Barry, Is it really as concerning
Speaker 12: or of people putting more on these Dak Prescott practiced
Speaker 12: interceptions than they need to.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I embellished it a little bit, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I'm just you know, I like to, you know,
Speaker 5: to stir the pot a little bit, and every time
Speaker 5: I see an interception out there, I said it to
Speaker 5: you guys, like, man, what's going on?
Speaker 8: What's going on?
Speaker 5: But as we look at this thing, I mean he
Speaker 5: I think he's trying to give confidence to the to
Speaker 5: the young wide receivers out there, because if we looked at.
Speaker 8: You know who he was throwing the ball to on
Speaker 8: those interceptions.
Speaker 5: I believe one of them was the Jaalen Tolbert, which
Speaker 5: was a deep one which na Shan Wright had amazing
Speaker 5: coverage on. I don't know why he should throw that,
Speaker 5: but maybe he was just trying to give the guy
Speaker 5: jump all opportunity out there. And then I saw the
Speaker 5: other one against Lee Cooker, which I don't know if he.
Speaker 2: Was under pressure or I that was just a bad one.
Speaker 2: That was a bad one. That was sure. He didn't
Speaker 2: even have to kind of put it right in into there.
Speaker 5: So all I'm saying is, look, man, we understand what
Speaker 5: happens when this offense is clicking on all cylinders. And
Speaker 5: that's when Dak Prescott has full command of the offense.
Speaker 5: He's up there at the line of scrimmage, pointing things
Speaker 5: out telling people you can just tell that that command.
Speaker 5: But when it's offense is fluttering a little bit, it's
Speaker 5: when he's turning the football over. And we saw that
Speaker 5: and against that forty nine Ers game in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: I mean, those were.
Speaker 8: Two very bad interceptions out there. So to me, is
Speaker 8: it camp? You know, interceptions happen in camp.
Speaker 5: We've seen it, you know, tons and tons of times,
Speaker 5: and guys come out during a regular season and ball out.
Speaker 5: So to me, maybe I'm putting little bit too much
Speaker 5: on it. But that's one category that he said he
Speaker 5: was gonna get better at, is not turning the football
Speaker 5: over and decision making. And from those interceptions, those were
Speaker 5: two extremely bad decisions that were made by Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: So hopefully he's getting them all out of his system
Speaker 5: in camp and when the season rolls around he's dotting
Speaker 5: them up. But to me, that's something that he's he's
Speaker 5: got to work on.
Speaker 2: We talk about practice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure they putting it in a new offense,
Speaker 4: new offense to play college trying to figure some stuff out.
Speaker 4: He's trying to figure out. We saw we saw we
Speaker 4: seen two own deep balls right where you're trying to
Speaker 4: figure out exactly where I should put it. Who's going
Speaker 4: to be my deep ball guy, right because it was Gallup,
Speaker 4: but now he got Cooks and you got CD so
Speaker 4: figure trying to work out that kind of connection with
Speaker 4: those guys. That's the time you take the chance in
Speaker 4: training camp. So I would expect to see them in
Speaker 4: training camp. And I'm actually happier that it's on deep
Speaker 4: balls than like bad reads.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Guys come across on the dig or getting tricked on
Speaker 4: cover stuff like that. He's seeing one on one out there,
Speaker 4: he's taking his shot. He short at one ball, but
Speaker 4: other than that, he's giving his receivers a chance to
Speaker 4: go out there and make a place. So I'm not
Speaker 4: worried about those. The bad reads are the ones. Right,
Speaker 4: it was cover three, he's running the out route and
Speaker 4: during the season and you're like, huh, oh, you threw
Speaker 4: it to the other side this one or ceedee lamb
Speaker 4: runs a jerk rod in the cover too, and you
Speaker 4: throw it right to where the corner is, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Playing in the flat like those are
Speaker 4: the ones where you say, nah, that's that's not on
Speaker 4: He throwing the fifty yard deep ball and then somebody
Speaker 4: goes to make a play. He got a brand new
Speaker 4: toy out there with Brandon Cooks. It makes sense, hey, man,
Speaker 4: try it out. Try it out now, because I don't
Speaker 4: want you to figure that out in the season, because
Speaker 4: last year we did have an issue with finding somebody
Speaker 4: who could be that deep ball threat, which is why
Speaker 4: when t Y Hilton came in, you were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we got a deep threat.
Speaker 2: Nah, Brandon Cooks is here.
Speaker 4: All right, We're gonna see if he's going to be
Speaker 4: the guy who we've been watching in New Orleans and
Speaker 4: then Houston and LA. I want that same Brandon Cooks
Speaker 4: to come here and be a difference maker on our offense.
Speaker 2: Nobody has been harder on that than you have.
Speaker 4: Man throughout the season, when he started throwing those turnovers,
Speaker 4: you talking about him, No, I'm talking about you. Hey,
Speaker 4: y'all was taking I said that. I said he was
Speaker 4: gonna get it right. This ain't the player to let
Speaker 4: me ask my question. Then here's my question to you.
Speaker 4: But because you've heard these things in the media about
Speaker 4: him and we have that opportunity to talk, I'm just
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about what I'm saying is yeah, when
Speaker 4: you have a guy that comes out and says, look,
Speaker 4: I threw fifteen last year, I'm not gonna throw that. Well,
Speaker 4: what is ten? I won't throw that many interceptions? Do
Speaker 4: you think it's something that for him as the leader,
Speaker 4: as his team, as one of the top ten quarterbacks
Speaker 4: in the NFL, is that something that he should be
Speaker 4: talking about?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put a number on my on my picks
Speaker 4: because right after that we seen Siddy Fork drop drop
Speaker 4: a past and get intercepted. Like, ten interceptions in the
Speaker 4: season is not a lot. Like players go out there
Speaker 4: and go forty and ten. You go forty and ten,
Speaker 4: You're great. You're all doing great, right, So that's not
Speaker 4: even a lot, especially with an added game. Just go
Speaker 4: out there and focus on being a person who says
Speaker 4: I'm gonna protect the ball better than I did last season. Me,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do everything I can to protect the ball
Speaker 4: better than I did last season. Now because we know
Speaker 4: some of those interceptions weren't on him, some of those
Speaker 4: are dropped. So I'm I'm going to do the best
Speaker 4: that I can to protect the ball, and then my
Speaker 4: teammates are gonna you know, they gonna have my back
Speaker 4: and make sure they do it as well.
Speaker 2: I think that that is better than I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: team I'm not.
Speaker 4: That's you know what I'm saying. That's right, dude's throwing
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That might be at who's
Speaker 4: throwing ten?
Speaker 2: John?
Speaker 4: I think Josh Allen through ten. Pat mahonmes Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: is the only person who go out there throw forty
Speaker 4: and six dudes be throwing interceptions. Bros. It's just a game.
Speaker 4: When you go out there and throw sixty times, We'll.
Speaker 8: Let me ask you all this.
Speaker 5: Then, going into the season, we understand there's pressure on
Speaker 5: this team. I mean if there's pressure on on the
Speaker 5: head coach, especially the quarterback as well. Can y'all see
Speaker 5: him going out there this season and kind of pressing
Speaker 5: the issue out there, like you know, I gotta I
Speaker 5: gotta show my critics, got to show people like myself
Speaker 5: that hey, I can go out here and I could.
Speaker 8: Be one of these elite quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Or do you think he'll let the game kind of
Speaker 5: come to him and he'll go back to that Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott that we've seen in the past where he might
Speaker 5: not light you up numbers wise, but he's gonna protect
Speaker 5: the football and that's going to correlate to wins. Where
Speaker 5: do you see Where do you see Dak going.
Speaker 2: Into the season.
Speaker 4: I've always been of the assumption, especially with the with
Speaker 4: the turnovers, is is that who you are?
Speaker 2: Is that your id? That's not who he is.
Speaker 4: I mean, he came in the league setting records at
Speaker 4: not turning the ball over. It's been his mo I'm
Speaker 4: not going to turn the ball over. But I think
Speaker 4: in this new offense, it gives him an opportunity now
Speaker 4: not to do exactly what you just said is press.
Speaker 4: He didn't have to he has. Now you have some
Speaker 4: than in Brandon Cooks. Your two years with your rookie, well,
Speaker 4: now your second year tight ends that maybe the synergy,
Speaker 4: maybe the way that they are right now, not coming
Speaker 4: off of that injury and him having more understanding of
Speaker 4: this offense. I don't expect for him to try and
Speaker 4: press the way that he was last year. I think
Speaker 4: that when he came back from that five game coming
Speaker 4: back from the injury.
Speaker 2: He was pressing because he was here. I don't about.
Speaker 4: Y'all saw y'all saw, and y'all saw that he was pressing.
Speaker 4: He was doing things that you wouldn't normally necessarily think
Speaker 4: that that Dak would be doing, sowing into areas, the
Speaker 4: communication between his receivers were completely off. I just don't
Speaker 4: see him doing that again, especially knowing the way that
Speaker 4: impacted the team. Our offense was completely dead in the
Speaker 4: water versus San Francisco. We could do nothing. This is
Speaker 4: why I don't think any of this is relevant. Okay,
Speaker 4: I think the only thing relevant is how war does
Speaker 4: your offensive line play and is your running game there.
Speaker 4: If it's not, I believe you're gonna have the same
Speaker 4: issues that you had last season. You think they're running it, No, No,
Speaker 4: I believe Listen, I'm saying if it's not, if they
Speaker 4: don't figure out a way to control the game by
Speaker 4: running the ball and playing to your defense, same thing
Speaker 4: I said last year, same thing we all talked about
Speaker 4: last year. If you don't find a way to do that,
Speaker 4: then pressing is the only thing, only option that you have,
Speaker 4: because then you have to put it in your quarterback
Speaker 4: hands and he feels like he has to do more
Speaker 4: because the offensive line is not playing well, not protecting well,
Speaker 4: not opening up.
Speaker 2: Running gaps, and then your running game is not.
Speaker 4: Doing anything for you such your defensive a fair right.
Speaker 4: So first down, what do you do You say, Okay,
Speaker 4: we get second and nine, we're gonna run it and
Speaker 4: get on second and nine, or we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 4: take take a shot and throw it on first down.
Speaker 4: So to me, that like that is that is the game.
Speaker 4: You have a great defense, You're supposed to have a
Speaker 4: great defense. How's your offensive line? Can you run the
Speaker 4: ball like you said you are not? You're right, we'll
Speaker 4: be using the weapons. We're using the tight end and
Speaker 4: forward sing we do everything else. You be weaponed up.
Speaker 4: We do know that Dak isn't fighting for a roster spot.
Speaker 4: There a there are awesome guys and we talk mentioned
Speaker 4: Simmi Fohoka. We got some guys that are definitely fighting
Speaker 4: for their football life and we goa talk about them
Speaker 4: some more, finding out who's hot who's not.
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Speaker 2: That was a team effort, right, We got it done.
Speaker 2: We got it done. Are you going? You worked that
Speaker 2: hard to get that? Are you going?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to now.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: But guys, we were talking before the break, we were
Speaker 4: talking about guys that are on the bubble trying to
Speaker 4: make this team, and you brought up Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know who your guy was.
Speaker 4: You didn't get a chance to deep dive into anybody
Speaker 4: that you're looking at right now that may possibly be.
Speaker 2: On the bubble.
Speaker 4: Options No, I mean before this it was Ronald Jones.
Speaker 4: Now I'm like he moved further out on that bubble.
Speaker 4: I think duce Van is another guy who's on the bubble,
Speaker 4: but I would like to see him make the roster.
Speaker 2: Uh one.
Speaker 4: It's a very very good story for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: But I think he has some talent.
Speaker 4: I think you can use him in a lot of
Speaker 4: different ways, especially if you could find a way to
Speaker 4: maximize his skill set. We know it's not blocking, but
Speaker 4: can you be a distraction and confused defensive coordinators while
Speaker 4: you're out there, or can you be one of those
Speaker 4: guys like Darren Spros right who is a mismatch come
Speaker 4: out of the backfield no matter what, No matter what
Speaker 4: the matchup is, you say, this guy here might win.
Speaker 4: I've seen have you been seeing the routes that b
Speaker 4: Jon Robinson.
Speaker 2: Has been running the guys?
Speaker 4: So you say, okay, all right, third down, if I
Speaker 4: can get Deuce Vanna look any thing like that? Right,
Speaker 4: If Tony Pollard is out or he needs a spell,
Speaker 4: then you got yourself a win. You do, that's a win.
Speaker 4: So I want to see him be able to show
Speaker 4: that he can do that on the roster. But you know,
Speaker 4: if he doesn't, then.
Speaker 2: He might not.
Speaker 4: You know, I want to pick up kind of piggyback
Speaker 4: on what you're talking about about deuced fun because the
Speaker 4: running back position is just as interesting as a wide
Speaker 4: receiver room was last season, because Tony Pollard really benefited
Speaker 4: from the one two punch of Ezekiel elepis.
Speaker 2: Not going to have that this year.
Speaker 4: I know we've talked that nause him about can he
Speaker 4: take the load and all of that.
Speaker 2: We really worry about third.
Speaker 4: What he could do a third Dow Are you guys
Speaker 4: sure that you know that RB two is necessary for
Speaker 4: him or can he be that BT we mentioned you
Speaker 4: Bell cal guy, the guy that can do it.
Speaker 2: You don't take all of that. All of them need.
Speaker 4: All the teams who have been successful lately need a
Speaker 4: number two running back who's serviceable.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: That's from Cincinnati with Joe Mixon, was it? P Ryan
Speaker 4: right there with Dalvid Cook has Madison As far as
Speaker 4: having a good running game, like all these is Aaron
Speaker 4: Jones and AJ Dillon up there in Green Bay, like
Speaker 4: all these teams have a won two punch. It's no
Speaker 4: longer one of those things where you could just have
Speaker 4: one unless you have the one and only Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4: Are Derek Henry, But Derek Henry. As far as when
Speaker 4: you get in the past game, it's a lot different.
Speaker 4: Right when they when they clogging up the holes and
Speaker 4: not let him get through their running the ball, you
Speaker 4: got an issue, right, Christian McCaffrey is like, he's that
Speaker 4: guy like I can't run it. That's all right, I
Speaker 4: can wrap you up, right. So if you don't have
Speaker 4: one of those guys, yeah, you need a wont two punch.
Speaker 4: And Tony Pollard, Yes, we haven't seen him carry the
Speaker 4: full season, getting all the carries the entire playbook. I
Speaker 4: don't think that that's something that we want to see,
Speaker 4: pecially in the seventeen game season when you're pretty sure
Speaker 4: you're going to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 8: And that's what gets me nervous about this run game.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, I know McCarthy talked about we're
Speaker 5: gonna run football, maybe be more situational awareness than they
Speaker 5: were with Kellen Moore, but they haven't done anything as
Speaker 5: far as action wise to say, all right, this is
Speaker 5: gonna be our running game. And we know what Tony
Speaker 5: Baller brings to the table, but he's not creeping up
Speaker 5: on anybody this year. Everybody kind of understands what he
Speaker 5: can do in that backfield, so they're gonna be keen
Speaker 5: on what you know, Tony Poler can do out there.
Speaker 8: And like I said, he's a fifteen to seventeen touch guy.
Speaker 8: Who's gonna be that guy to spell them?
Speaker 5: I mean, I know we got you know, Mike Davis
Speaker 5: back there, you know, Rico dell Well, got Duces Vaughan.
Speaker 5: Those guys are competing for that backup role. But can
Speaker 5: they can they kind of be that that you know
Speaker 5: guy to kind of give.
Speaker 2: Them a spell.
Speaker 5: Take maybe ten touches off of Tony Pollard out there.
Speaker 5: We're gonna find out. But I haven't seen, you know,
Speaker 5: this team make any moves as far as.
Speaker 2: This is what we're focused on.
Speaker 8: This run game.
Speaker 5: It's what we're gonna do, because right now it's it's
Speaker 5: Tony Pollard or bust in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Who so so when you so Tony Pouler's not getting
Speaker 4: the entire playbook, I would hope that fourth and one
Speaker 4: is not going to Tony talk yet. Like when you
Speaker 4: line it up and you line it up in two
Speaker 4: tight end whatever four on the fourth and goal from
Speaker 4: the half Inchlaune, I'm not sure if that is Tony
Speaker 4: Pollard's role. Who who do you see? If there's no
Speaker 4: Ronald Jones right now? Getting that rose at Donald Davis.
Speaker 8: Because because the biggest wordy at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean ric o'dowdell, but he hasn't I don't
Speaker 4: believe that he's even played in in a game. So
Speaker 4: Malik Davis would be the other guy that you would
Speaker 4: think they would take leak. And that's why the Ghost
Speaker 4: of Ezekiel Elliot is Loise in these whole conversations because
Speaker 4: that's what people ask them. What are you gonna do
Speaker 4: on third down? What are you gonna do on third down?
Speaker 4: When you know the blitz is coming? Do you trust
Speaker 4: Tony Poller to be that person to pick up the blitz?
Speaker 4: That's why this this whole thing is interesting, especially when
Speaker 4: you say, Deuce Van isn't gonna be a guy that's
Speaker 4: in that blocking blocking linebackers?
Speaker 2: Second, are chipping? Are chipping INDs?
Speaker 4: You got to use rat But hey, man, if you're
Speaker 4: gonna if you're gonna run gun, you put your tight
Speaker 4: end right there, back back there, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Especially if you have a versatile one that they can also, Hey,
Speaker 4: if there's no rushing, you can get out and you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, go.
Speaker 2: Out for a pass.
Speaker 4: But you're gonna have to get creative, which is why
Speaker 4: your head coach, who has been in the lab could
Speaker 4: come up with stuff like that, bitch hoping what we
Speaker 4: see because because like the thing that would irk me
Speaker 4: the most is if what we're talking about now seeing
Speaker 4: these guys who we know who are not excellent, not
Speaker 4: good enough to be pass protecting on third down, when
Speaker 4: when everybody knows that you got to throw the ball,
Speaker 4: having them out there being pass protected and then it
Speaker 4: not working and everybody saying, well, we don't know what
Speaker 4: to do now, but we know, we know, we know
Speaker 4: them dudes are not the guys you want out there
Speaker 4: to be pass protected.
Speaker 2: So what is the solution to that?
Speaker 4: And hopefully once we get into the season we see
Speaker 4: what it is and we all sitting there like, yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, big mic I know, yeah, you go, big Mike.
Speaker 2: I know you had it up your sleeve. Man.
Speaker 4: I got to ask you guys, I mean you you
Speaker 4: guys have been in this pressure cooking situation that we're
Speaker 4: talking about about making an NFL roster. I mean right now, psychologically,
Speaker 4: as camp goes on, in the first week of camp,
Speaker 4: what is it like for some of those bubble guys
Speaker 4: that's having to deal with that pressure.
Speaker 8: You want to know how I lost my hair.
Speaker 2: Straight up?
Speaker 5: I mean, it.
Speaker 8: Is stressful, man, coming in undrafted, just knowing.
Speaker 5: I mean because when we got in there, we was
Speaker 5: like the fifth and sixth, seventh and eighth, you know,
Speaker 5: safeties out there, they were def at the position.
Speaker 8: So it's stressful.
Speaker 5: But you know, like I say, each and every week,
Speaker 5: you just got to go out there in each practice
Speaker 5: and show the coach is something, whether it's you know,
Speaker 5: special team man, this guy can get down the field,
Speaker 5: quicker man. This guy is great at the point of attacking, blocking,
Speaker 5: or you know, defensively man, this guy can cover pretty well.
Speaker 8: He understands the playbook. If you give the coaches.
Speaker 5: Something to talk about each and every you know, week
Speaker 5: or each and every practice out there, it's gonna be
Speaker 5: it's gonna be hard for them to get rid of
Speaker 5: you on the team. So you got to go out
Speaker 5: there and just kind of stand apart or try to
Speaker 5: stand apart. It's tough when you got a bunch of
Speaker 5: guys that coming in there. They were the best at
Speaker 5: in high school, they were the best in college. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's it's a doggy dog world, but it's.
Speaker 2: Stressful to you.
Speaker 4: I was the guy out there. I was like, made
Speaker 4: a bad play, look at him, look at him? All right, Yes,
Speaker 4: that's gonna be a negative. We're gonna watch the film
Speaker 4: make sure I don't do that. And every time, dude, mate,
Speaker 4: when I see him get yelled at or something, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, all right now, I need to make sure
Speaker 4: now because I know that the coach right now is thinking, okay,
Speaker 4: all right, we got an issue with this guy. And
Speaker 4: if I go in there and I run, because sometimes
Speaker 4: you get to run the same place, you get to
Speaker 4: try to make the same adjustments. They do the same
Speaker 4: motion across the field to see if you're gonna pick
Speaker 4: it up versus one the other dude did. And now
Speaker 4: I know, all right, now I can show that I
Speaker 4: know what the hell I'm doing and that dude just
Speaker 4: got yelled at. That's gonna stick in the coach's mind.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So I'm not praying for God to do bad. But
Speaker 4: when I see it, I'm like, oh, I get the
Speaker 4: capitalized on that. They're not gonna get me on the
Speaker 4: same thing they got him on, right, because I need
Speaker 4: to show that one I'm paying attention to two I
Speaker 4: can be dependable. And that actually worked out for us
Speaker 4: Man because it was a lot of vets. It was
Speaker 4: me Church. They had drafted the quaset of WUSUSA in
Speaker 4: the fourth he was hurt, and then you had Mike Hamlin,
Speaker 4: Pat Watkins, Alan Ball, Gerald Senseabaul on the roster. Allen
Speaker 4: Ball had just got moved from corner to safety, so
Speaker 4: they were still trying to figure that out as well.
Speaker 4: But Hamdling and Pat Watkins, they were actually injured a
Speaker 4: lot on a rep So at one point I think
Speaker 4: I was starting down. Yeah, rookie year drafted free agents,
Speaker 4: starting din playing special teams, and then he came in
Speaker 4: the next year and we'll starting safety. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it just we just worked out for us man. That's
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