Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up?
Speaker 4: An sv podcast. I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Clank And every week on this podcast
Speaker 1: we unpack an episode of SVU, a true crime. It's
Speaker 1: based on sometimes an interview, lots of chatting up top
Speaker 1: and what is today?
Speaker 4: Today?
Speaker 1: Is everything's a blurby. It's a wild day of the week,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Like I like, someone's building my new website.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's up ready, but I remember him being like,
Speaker 1: it'll be done right before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: It in my head, I go, jeese, that's forever.
Speaker 2: Now it's time and he wants approvals and I was
Speaker 2: like it came so fast because I remember him telling
Speaker 2: me and I was like, wow, it takes that long.
Speaker 4: Also another web thing, I'd.
Speaker 1: Like to say, I've been doing a lot of Christmas
Speaker 1: shopping and I've I gave advice to a bunch of comics,
Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys who didn't know about it.
Speaker 4: But Etsy is the best.
Speaker 2: Yes, Like people are sleeping on Etsy and I don't
Speaker 2: think they get it. I'm like, truly, any TV show, food, idea,
Speaker 2: move season, you can find a thing about the thing.
Speaker 1: So and even if you can't find it, I feel
Speaker 1: like you can find someone who would make it for you,
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're like, could you do this?
Speaker 1: But make it this like, I bet they will, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's just great.
Speaker 2: It's vintagey things, like old timey stuff.
Speaker 4: It's new little craft.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's custom because I got one of our
Speaker 2: friends a pack of ten matchboxes and each of them
Speaker 2: have photos from the Real Housewives of New York on
Speaker 2: it and I and I bought the ten random pack
Speaker 2: and I wrote to her and I go, hey, girl,
Speaker 2: I needed to be all real Houses of New York.
Speaker 1: But I hate Leah. Please don't use that photo. And
Speaker 1: she wrote back being like, oh, I hate Leah too,
Speaker 1: And I wrote the Pirate one. I would say, wait one, sorry,
Speaker 1: what'd you write the wife the Pirate?
Speaker 2: It was like the women with the pirates at like
Speaker 2: Turks and Caicos wherever they are, don't be all uncool,
Speaker 2: so like, yeah, even if they have something particular is
Speaker 2: just a girl. The only thing I would say is
Speaker 2: the shipping time is long because it's you know, single crafters.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's not. I got enterprises. My wedding invitations were
Speaker 4: at sea. Really I saved that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, h I found this great galon at SEU did
Speaker 1: my wedding invitations, and I loved charm and she even
Speaker 1: like she made a mistake. She did my programs and
Speaker 1: she made a mistake and she just like redid them
Speaker 1: and sent them to me like really quickly.
Speaker 4: It was great. She was great. Damn. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 4: think about that. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You can do yeah, because like to go to these
Speaker 1: some of these wedding like places that do that professionally,
Speaker 1: it's it's way overpriced for something that most people are
Speaker 1: gonna throw into the garbage. Well, yeah, George Stanza killed
Speaker 1: his whole like fiance because of it. Yes, the whole
Speaker 1: fiance died. But yeah, no, Etsy's so good. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about how grateful I am that I don't
Speaker 1: have to go to that same party that I had
Speaker 1: to go to last year, where I had to stress
Speaker 1: out so much about the gifts.
Speaker 4: And you know what Jared was.
Speaker 1: Pointing out he goes, remember how two guys at that
Speaker 1: party gave vibrators and it was like they just gave
Speaker 1: like vibrators out like as their gift. It's like for
Speaker 1: the women at the party, it was just it was
Speaker 1: weird and like that's a store bought thing. The whole
Speaker 1: thing about that that dah, you have to remind people
Speaker 1: about this party. This party was like you can't buy
Speaker 1: anything that you could get at a Walmart or Amazon
Speaker 1: or a big box store.
Speaker 4: And then that was what half the gifts were.
Speaker 1: Half the gifts were totally stuffed that you could do
Speaker 1: at the and I was really annoyed because I tried
Speaker 1: really hard to find stuff that wasn't and it was
Speaker 1: like it was it was stressful. But I don't have
Speaker 1: to do it this year. But I'm excited for the holidays.
Speaker 1: It's today is December ninth. This is coming out. We're
Speaker 1: in the thick of it, the thick of the holidays.
Speaker 1: I'm I've been weirdly getting in the spirit so early,
Speaker 1: like I well.
Speaker 4: We have to because we're recorded.
Speaker 2: I mean I just did a friend's podcast Christmas episode
Speaker 2: a week ago and it'll come out.
Speaker 4: But we were wearing Christmas gear yeah.
Speaker 1: But like literally the second that Halloween was over, I
Speaker 1: was like, should we get our tree? Like I don't
Speaker 1: know why, I was so all I want for I
Speaker 1: think it's you. Immediately, I think it's like the fascist
Speaker 1: I'm looking at comfort concentration camp.
Speaker 2: So I think, like, yes, as soon as Halloween was overy,
Speaker 2: people were like, get the lights up, get the lights up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: discraption's going, where's the raindeer.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about doing outdoor lights on my house for
Speaker 1: the first time ever, like not in my house, but
Speaker 1: probably just on the fence. I can't figure out how
Speaker 1: to attach a light to a house, but like to
Speaker 1: the fence, you know, like wrap it. I think that
Speaker 1: could be cute. And then one of.
Speaker 2: My favorite traditions when we were a kid, when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, was driving through the neighborhood that loved
Speaker 2: to decorate. Yeah that's what the Jews did, Like you
Speaker 2: all drive slow in this one neighborhood and the lights
Speaker 2: are so cool. And there was one house where like
Speaker 2: the wind, you know, there's a lot of windows because
Speaker 2: it's a giant house, and it made it look like
Speaker 2: it was one big tree, you know, but it was
Speaker 2: obviously pieces of the tree like an east Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it looked like it was shooting right through people are.
Speaker 1: Creating no light. I would say light peeping is still
Speaker 1: a thing. There's like supposedly neighborhoods in LA where you
Speaker 1: can go do that. But I haven't done it with
Speaker 1: my kids, but I wanted to, like every year. I
Speaker 1: don't think I could ever get that crazy. You know what,
Speaker 1: did I ever talk about this? So like we were
Speaker 1: raised Jewish, but my mom was like, I still want
Speaker 1: to do Christmas. We culturally did Christmas every year, so
Speaker 1: did my dad, being ra by just like a single
Speaker 1: mom Jewish woman in New York City. He always had
Speaker 1: a tree, he said, but like we've always done Christmas.
Speaker 1: And then I always wanted those candle lights in your window,
Speaker 1: that one candle per window of your house. I thought
Speaker 1: that was the prettiest thing in the world for some
Speaker 1: reason when I was like ten, like I think it's
Speaker 1: in Kevin mckowster's house, like other like do you.
Speaker 4: Know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Like there's just one fake candle in every window of
Speaker 1: the house. So when you will look at the house,
Speaker 1: every window has one candle on the window sill, and
Speaker 1: it's just I thought it was so beautiful, and I
Speaker 1: would ask my mom and be like, can we just
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 4: Like every year. She'd be like, that's.
Speaker 1: Extremely like Christian feeling for a Jewish household. And I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, but like, I don't know why. That
Speaker 1: was always my obsession was doing that. I thought it
Speaker 1: was classy and gorgeous. Why don't you do it? I
Speaker 1: I had candles in the windows.
Speaker 2: Now get the candles in be the Christian household you've
Speaker 2: always wanted.
Speaker 1: It's such an East Coast thing. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: like with multiple stories, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: everybody in La has just like a one story house.
Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone knows, like what's either or
Speaker 1: white lights or rainbow.
Speaker 4: I'm a white light. What about you're saying that? Like
Speaker 4: me too? Your color? Oh you're white? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Even though white colors, I like a uniformed cheek.
Speaker 1: Yes, I like that's my thing. That's my thing is
Speaker 1: I like colors, but not with lights.
Speaker 4: With lights.
Speaker 1: My kids are like, can we get can we get
Speaker 1: colored lights? I'm like, no, we're getting white lights. If
Speaker 1: we're getting them, I'm trying to figure out where to
Speaker 1: get my white lights. Because walgreensious. I'm just nervous they're
Speaker 1: going to be outdoors. The lights I have now, I
Speaker 1: swear to God, I think I bought it Dwayne read
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago in New York, like, if not more,
Speaker 1: maybe twenty years ago. They've never broken. I use them
Speaker 1: every Christmas. Knock on wood there. They're perfect. But I
Speaker 1: I for some reason have this thing about like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're outside and they're going to be in the elements
Speaker 1: to I have to get like a special con element.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get ripped off on fucking Amazon.
Speaker 4: Get elements? Are you thinking about in the Los Angeles area?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Well, knock on one.
Speaker 2: There's obviously disasters, but I don't think a mud slide's.
Speaker 4: Gonna come through.
Speaker 1: No. No, But like rain, you know, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: google outdoor, like the water from my sprinkler, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, how's your garden? Well, the well, the garden
Speaker 4: is going. It's still it's still there. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: And the woman who made my garden, Rochelle, she listens
Speaker 1: to the podcast. So she left me this gorgeous garden.
Speaker 1: Some of the vegetables I didn't like, pick in time
Speaker 1: and then when we got them in the house, they
Speaker 1: were not edible. But a lot of the stuff is
Speaker 1: still growing wonderfully. I did have to just recently do
Speaker 1: a little sweep of some of the stuff I had
Speaker 1: let die, like a couple of the sunflowers. These sunflowers
Speaker 1: bloomed so beautiful, and then there was just I think
Speaker 1: my kids unplugged the sprinklers for a few days or
Speaker 1: something and they just died.
Speaker 4: But I thought I could revive them, but it didn't work.
Speaker 4: But we just had like six days of rain in La.
Speaker 1: So the garden is popping right now, the back part
Speaker 1: of it, it's popping. She's really I'm gonna sunder some picks.
Speaker 1: So we still text all the time. We're friends, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to How do you feel about this Amazon catalog?
Speaker 1: I know you saw it at my house one year,
Speaker 1: But now my kids get this fucking Amazon catalog where
Speaker 1: Amazon basically tells all the kids what they want for
Speaker 1: Christmas and they just go through and they circle almost
Speaker 1: every single thing in the.
Speaker 2: Catt Yeah, but it's not like Amazon invented the catalog.
Speaker 2: I liked catalogs when I was young, right, but they
Speaker 2: have everything in one spot. Kind of sure, But isn't
Speaker 2: that better? Like, don't you like that?
Speaker 4: That's true?
Speaker 2: We you know, on this podcast we support big business
Speaker 2: just so you guys know we like giant conglomerates.
Speaker 4: We're a big box podcast, that's for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think Todd from Salt Lake City is getting
Speaker 2: some Starbucks cups for Christmas?
Speaker 4: Oh? I bet he is.
Speaker 1: If he's traveling bugs when there's trouble in Paradise. I
Speaker 1: think he's traveling picking up more mugs. I have a
Speaker 1: Starbucks San Francisco. Should I send it to Todd?
Speaker 2: I mean every time I see these mugs, and I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm honestly pissed that bron Win showed us that man
Speaker 2: and now he's in my face. Now I have to
Speaker 2: imagine this gout motherfucker making out and farting on a
Speaker 2: flight like it's sickening.
Speaker 4: What is with the farting?
Speaker 2: He's just gross. I don't know when you invent pomp
Speaker 2: pilot you think? I mean, I think most people are
Speaker 2: farting on flights. I'll be honest, maybe not mid makeout,
Speaker 2: but him taking the cherry was too much for me.
Speaker 1: Can you even imagine what Brounwin does at Christmas, all
Speaker 1: the costumes. I'm sure she's like dressed up as Rootolph,
Speaker 1: like ever get Away. It's like so fucked. The Housewives
Speaker 1: are like such a study.
Speaker 2: I bet like years from now it's gonna be the
Speaker 2: core of education, like teaching people about psychology and life.
Speaker 2: Because to me, it's like you meet her mother, her
Speaker 2: mother's awful to her, and you repeat it, and then
Speaker 2: you get a man who's condescending and thinks you're all
Speaker 2: these loser things. And then you're with a man who
Speaker 2: you go, I love eating the cherry and eats the cherry.
Speaker 2: It's like so gross.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they repeated the cycles of whatever Apple keep themselves. Yes, wait,
Speaker 1: so I know it's this at this point was weeks ago,
Speaker 1: a month ago actually, but bravocn happened in Vegas, Okay,
Speaker 1: And I know you guys know we talk about Bravo
Speaker 1: a lot, and we've talked a lot of you know, Listen.
Speaker 1: Some of the things about Housewives that I like is
Speaker 1: that I can hate somebody one season and then the next.
Speaker 4: Season I can like them. I do like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's fun that we have, like we don't
Speaker 1: just like always label people and hate them forever.
Speaker 4: We can kind of switch on people.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I think people take it too far and
Speaker 1: they get kicked off the show, and then two years
Speaker 1: later they're just welcomed back with open arms when they've
Speaker 1: done like no accountability for themselves and change nothing about themselves,
Speaker 1: Like the Vicki thing, Like there was this huge moment
Speaker 1: at Bravo con where Vicki got asked to be back on.
Speaker 2: Also so embarrassing because she's just so thirsty and pathetic.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what it seems like.
Speaker 2: It's like you've been fired, they don't want you there,
Speaker 2: you've been a friend of and then he's gonna surprise
Speaker 2: you with this gig and you're not even gonna be like, well,
Speaker 2: let me think about it.
Speaker 4: I'll talk to my lawyer.
Speaker 1: You're like crying, you were and then posting a photo
Speaker 1: of you are like cuddling an orange in your bed,
Speaker 1: like have some self respect.
Speaker 4: But I talked about it. I guess podcast respect if
Speaker 4: you want to be a housewife.
Speaker 1: I talked about this on another podcast and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's just annoying. How like I don't know, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you can do anything. I'm half expecting them to
Speaker 1: give Kenya back her peach in two years, even though
Speaker 1: she fully showed underage like sex work photos of a
Speaker 1: cast member of a fellow cast member. So like, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, does anybody ever really get punished to
Speaker 1: the point that they apologize or actually repent for anything?
Speaker 2: Like no, because then they would to get back on
Speaker 2: the show. If people were actually sorry, they would not
Speaker 2: be on the Housewives.
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 2: The only person that's not gonna be ever asked back
Speaker 2: is Jenshaw, and that's because she served actual jail time.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think. I think Teresa did too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but she didn't defraud. She did defraud people. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, didn't defraud the elderly.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's morals we have to stop. Like
Speaker 2: if men in sports can rape and beat their wives,
Speaker 2: I think women on Bravo could, I guess be racist.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I know, I don't know the rules, Like
Speaker 1: I don't racist, and like telling people not to take
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine and all, like in a public on
Speaker 1: a public platform.
Speaker 2: I mean, like anyone that is a trumper should be
Speaker 2: honestly and guantanam obey, you know, like I don't want
Speaker 2: anyone that voted for Trump anywhere near me or on
Speaker 2: a screen or anything.
Speaker 4: So obey. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like to me, I'm disgusted by I
Speaker 2: don't want to look at anyone thriving that's a Trumper.
Speaker 4: Thank God.
Speaker 2: On the OC, they're all such fucking losers that it's
Speaker 2: cool to sew as.
Speaker 4: I don't want anybody's life on that. No.
Speaker 2: I mean, Heather Debro but she's liberal and cares about people.
Speaker 2: And then Tamra Wildly is a Democrat, even though she
Speaker 2: I think some terrible children.
Speaker 4: I don't think I think she I do.
Speaker 2: I think she's I do, but Jo more like a
Speaker 2: Biden dry and none of it matters.
Speaker 4: Get these Epstein five. I mean, I wonder from.
Speaker 2: When we record this, if we're getting these files out,
Speaker 2: or what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: As of this recording. The Congress has voted all of
Speaker 1: them to one to release the files, and then the
Speaker 1: Senate very quickly did a unanimous vote. This does not
Speaker 1: happen in American politics. If you're listening from abroad, this
Speaker 1: never happens. So I still think that they're going to
Speaker 1: figure out a way that it's part of an ongoing investigation.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to see it.
Speaker 2: I just don't trust any of these Republicans to like,
Speaker 2: would they really agree to it because of their constituents,
Speaker 2: Like they know that he's in it and that he
Speaker 2: doesn't want it out. I'm very curious what the plan
Speaker 2: is because I so somewhere being like they're doctoring it,
Speaker 2: so they're going to take everyone that they want out
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: But I don't, oh you they're redacting.
Speaker 2: Like that's what someone was saying, Like why else are
Speaker 2: they so gung ho? These people? But now they don't
Speaker 2: have a choice. It's like I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's happening.
Speaker 1: I can I be redacted or It's like to me,
Speaker 1: the emails are incriminating enough, the emails are enough, but
Speaker 1: it won't be enough. None of it will be enough
Speaker 1: unless those files have a videotape of Donald Trump being like,
Speaker 1: this is a thirteen year old girl, and now I'm
Speaker 1: going to have sex with her, and then he does
Speaker 1: it on the tape. I don't think these people care.
Speaker 1: I really don't think that. I think he doesn't. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's scared because I think he fucking knows
Speaker 1: he can do whatever he wants and or they're going
Speaker 1: to redact the shit out of it, like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: quiet Piggy, like, oh my god, that actually sent me
Speaker 1: like I think about sending my mom stuff sometimes and
Speaker 1: I never do. And that I was like, is this
Speaker 1: the kind of person? This is not how you raised me.
Speaker 2: But it's also okay, So I'm looking at this BBC
Speaker 2: thing and it's like, e'p seein I had a plea
Speaker 2: deal where he molested a fourteen year old girl in Florida.
Speaker 2: So it's like just knowing that and being convicted of
Speaker 2: soliciting press should oh the one where he got to
Speaker 2: go home on the weekend. Yeah, like eleven years later,
Speaker 2: charged with running a network. Like all of these things.
Speaker 2: It's like the fact that a president even has photos
Speaker 2: with these people, like the company you keep.
Speaker 4: I just don't.
Speaker 2: I will never understand these I just think I'm different,
Speaker 2: We're different.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't need more. The women told me the.
Speaker 1: Girl like right, no, most people that are normal were
Speaker 1: they were out at grabbing them by the pussy. They
Speaker 1: were out at the Miss America comments, you know, like
Speaker 1: we're the miss teen comments or whatever, like we were out.
Speaker 4: We've all been out for a long time.
Speaker 2: Wait, so I wonder, you know, if I say, like
Speaker 2: Mother's Day is the lowest arrest day, or like crime day,
Speaker 2: I wonder what Chris where Christmas falls, or if Christmas
Speaker 2: is a big robbing day, or like what's going I
Speaker 2: bet there's.
Speaker 4: Like the like the Wet bandits and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do love that my kids love Home Alone. They'll
Speaker 1: always watch it with me. That movie gets me in
Speaker 1: the spirit. What are you gonna watch any Christmas movies?
Speaker 4: You know it?
Speaker 2: But I actually just had a conversation with other people.
Speaker 2: I go, I go Home Alone is the quintessential Christmas movie.
Speaker 2: The goal I like Christmas vacation. I go, sure, we
Speaker 2: can all like whatever we want. But I'm just saying overall,
Speaker 2: Home Alone is number one in terms of like family.
Speaker 1: It is just great for all ages. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no matter of what you like more or less, it is.
Speaker 1: And there's something about I love Christmas vacation, but it
Speaker 1: stresses me out. And then because of how everything just
Speaker 1: keeps going wrong, it feels stressful. Whereas Home Alone he
Speaker 1: keeps like winning. So I'm sort of not as stressed.
Speaker 1: But what other what are other?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: The one that I didn't grow up with but that
Speaker 2: I'm like so happy I celebrate Christmas was like some
Speaker 2: Americans is I love mupp at Christmas?
Speaker 4: Like, let's watch it?
Speaker 2: So few and I think I like it even more
Speaker 2: because there's an Internet post where they just were like
Speaker 2: the director's notes of like, hey, Michael Kaine, it's just
Speaker 2: like a muppet move and he goes, I'm going to
Speaker 2: play this the most serious that I can't. So it's
Speaker 2: like Michael Kaine like being like so serious and then
Speaker 2: it's muppets around him, and yeah.
Speaker 4: I want to watch I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I just haven't watched it in a while.
Speaker 1: But I like the family Stone and I know you
Speaker 1: love that one. That is a good one. And it's
Speaker 1: just that I cry though I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can watch that this year. I watch it every year.
Speaker 1: I love love actually and I stand by it. I
Speaker 1: know there's think pieces about how much love actually sucks.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's not a think piece. It's my own eyes, brain
Speaker 2: and heart. I don't like it, and I try every year.
Speaker 2: I try every year.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 1: There are also think pieces and as well as your opinion.
Speaker 4: But I really like it.
Speaker 1: But I think it's like I saw it right when
Speaker 1: it came out, like so it's just solidified for me.
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theater when I was living
Speaker 1: in Italy and was like, I love this.
Speaker 2: Anything happened in Italy, you know that's cemented in your heart.
Speaker 1: Yes, but also but also there are some of the
Speaker 1: storylines that I'm like, I could have done without, you know,
Speaker 1: But some of them I think are fun and I
Speaker 1: really like them. I like Laura Lenny No Love. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't like it. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't do it for me. But I love British people.
Speaker 1: I love everything like that. I love all the British shit.
Speaker 1: I like Godding Hill, I like four Weddings and a Funeral.
Speaker 1: I like Hugh Grant. I'm here to say I don't
Speaker 1: care that he's an asshole. There's something hopelessly charming about
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant.
Speaker 2: I know, watching clips of him and Emma Thompson on
Speaker 2: What's That The Couch Show, Alan carr uh No, Graham Norton,
Speaker 2: Gram Norton, and I would they just said so much.
Speaker 1: Gram Norton is the best fucking chat show and why
Speaker 1: can we not replicate that at all? I feel like
Speaker 1: Cordon tried to by having all the guests stay on
Speaker 1: the couch, But he's not the same level of funny
Speaker 1: as like.
Speaker 4: Oh they hired a fake gay, they need a real gay.
Speaker 1: Graham Norton, Yeah, why is there not just I mean,
Speaker 1: it's sort of what Andy does. But I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: that he has the same vibe as Gham Norton either,
Speaker 1: Like he gets the biggest people in the world get
Speaker 1: up there, they tell funny stories.
Speaker 4: It's not it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel as you know what it is like produced
Speaker 1: as like the Tonight's Show and the other It feels
Speaker 1: like you're watching a bunch of famous people at a
Speaker 1: cocktail party talk to each other.
Speaker 2: Also, if you like Hugh Grant has a sense of
Speaker 2: humor about being an asshole and he's aware, which I
Speaker 2: like because he told them with Thompson, he goes, God,
Speaker 2: you must have hated me on that set. I did
Speaker 2: this this, and I got arrested halfway through. They have
Speaker 2: a felf aware king and he's like and she was like,
Speaker 2: you were the worst.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm the worst. I don't know. I like
Speaker 4: there's something about him.
Speaker 1: There's yeah, there's something about What I love about love
Speaker 1: actually is that this extremely handsome, like this is extremely
Speaker 1: a charming man. Is the president of England essentially the
Speaker 1: prime minister and his single like it's like so like
Speaker 1: just available to date.
Speaker 2: And then he just liked saying I was wondering if
Speaker 2: Zorn like would have gotten married if he wasn't running
Speaker 2: for mayor, or if they sped it along, or if
Speaker 2: it was a natural part of life. But I do
Speaker 2: think I thought, I think about that because they just
Speaker 2: got married in January, I believe, twenty five. Oh, so
Speaker 2: I wonder if it was like we got I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they were partnered and they seemed very in love,
Speaker 2: but I but they seem non traditional, like cute outfit,
Speaker 2: you know, to the court house. Yeah, I wonder if
Speaker 2: it was like, all right, I'm running for mayor. They
Speaker 2: already hate that. I'm like Muslim and young. Let's uh, let's.
Speaker 4: Get a wife at least cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she seems really cool and someone you know, how
Speaker 2: the new thing is like having a boyfriend is an
Speaker 2: embarrassing and all this stuff. And someone was writing how
Speaker 2: they like that you can't even tell she's really with
Speaker 2: him on her Instagram like.
Speaker 4: It's all like these are things that inspired me. Like
Speaker 4: she's just.
Speaker 2: Kind of I love a cool girl and it didn't
Speaker 2: become her full.
Speaker 1: She's not like a first lady per se, where it's
Speaker 1: like her whole fucking life.
Speaker 4: No, but I it's Bridget.
Speaker 2: The thing is, I feel like not in hil Hambridge
Speaker 2: Jones are Christmas to me. And I don't know because
Speaker 2: Christmas just happens, because.
Speaker 1: Christmas happens in the course of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay, because I hate when people say diehards
Speaker 2: a Christmas movie, Like I really that bothers me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't want to be controversial in that way.
Speaker 1: They just feel like that to me, And I wonder
Speaker 1: if yeah, yeah, yeah, what it is with the Brits
Speaker 1: We'll be watching. I'm sure tons of Christmas shit. My
Speaker 1: kids like The Grinch, the Animated, the Illumination. They don't
Speaker 1: like the Jim Carrey very much to scare it too.
Speaker 1: It's weird, but I'm excited to do some like Christmas
Speaker 1: y crap with them too, Like I don't know why
Speaker 1: I have such a You're right, it's probably how the
Speaker 1: world is so awful right now. But I'm like, I
Speaker 1: am excited this year for Christmas for some reason. Also,
Speaker 1: I think I'm happy, Like we were supposed to come
Speaker 1: home to the East Coast, which I do love doing,
Speaker 1: but then we decided not to and I'm sort of
Speaker 1: like psyched because I just.
Speaker 4: Really like not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Well you so you also mentioned that like you want
Speaker 2: your kids to be able to wake up and go
Speaker 2: to the tree and open the cats and you can
Speaker 2: go to Bob Baker. Wait, you know, and I love
Speaker 2: La Rachel Sennett's wearing a Bob Baker like she's.
Speaker 4: Wearing out merch hat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from the Puppet Place, oldest oldest marionette theater in
Speaker 1: the country. Babies around the corner from where I live.
Speaker 1: We're going, We're going to the Christmas one.
Speaker 2: Wait, Cara, I finished, And just like that, I finally
Speaker 2: watched the last three episode.
Speaker 1: Do you know if five episodes away from finishing, like,
Speaker 1: I'm so.
Speaker 4: Close, Czy, I'm so close.
Speaker 2: I ran out of things to watch and I go,
Speaker 2: all right, I'll finally finish it. And I did, and
Speaker 2: it's done, and it's done. I don't know what made
Speaker 2: me think of it? Did you say Christmas. Is there
Speaker 2: a good Christmas episode of Sex and the City.
Speaker 1: Well, I really liked the New Year's scene in the
Speaker 1: movie where like, oh the old lang Syne where she runs.
Speaker 2: She runs to Miranda. I always cry when I watch that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. If it's Christmas, I would say I
Speaker 2: always watch Simpson's Christmas episodes every year.
Speaker 4: And the Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: Okay, what are your classic Christmas Housewives episodes? Like when
Speaker 1: Bethany does it up with those weird nutcrackers.
Speaker 2: That is, I would say the Berk shares anything in
Speaker 2: Bluestone manor Christmas Time, and I would say Jersey did Christmas?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, okay, the.
Speaker 1: Cookie and the sprinkle cookies, the sprinkle cookies, how dare you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, so I guess right now.
Speaker 2: Sorry if I'm not being more, those are the ones
Speaker 2: that pop into my head.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah. I. By the way, I have
Speaker 1: to get Rosie at fucking bike for Christmas? Did I
Speaker 1: take our to both my kids bikes got stolen off
Speaker 1: our porch.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I've been living in my house for six years. I've
Speaker 1: never had a thing stolen. I leave my front gate
Speaker 1: swung right open. It's like it's not I don't feel
Speaker 1: like we have anything valuable or like, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: And we just noticed one day I came out, I
Speaker 1: was like, where are their bikes? I checked them back
Speaker 1: gone gone, and one of them had training wheels on
Speaker 1: it because Rosie's still not off the training wheels. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, what the fuck? By the where
Speaker 1: their second owners? Like they're both used bikes. Like I
Speaker 1: was like, so indicator, recession indicator, somebody really And this
Speaker 1: was I was like, way before Christmas. If it was
Speaker 1: a Christmas time, I'd be like, that's fine, go give
Speaker 1: your kid a bike for Christmas. But like it was
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, I forgot to tell you.
Speaker 1: So now I got to get Rosie a bike. And
Speaker 1: then Oscar wants a light up scooter, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's too much.
Speaker 4: And he wants a Barbie. He wants a fucking Barbie
Speaker 4: dream house.
Speaker 1: But he already still plays with the Gabby house that
Speaker 1: you got him, and I'm like, I just I can't
Speaker 1: have that many house.
Speaker 4: We can't have that many houses.
Speaker 2: Well, once you start buying him houses, I'm happy to
Speaker 2: buy him miniatures from Etsy, because that's what I've went
Speaker 2: up to I'm buying a lot of miniatures lately for
Speaker 2: for what just to have like just keep things. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, so for this year for Christmas, it's
Speaker 2: a little bigger group than we usually do, so we
Speaker 2: did a theme just to like make it easier. So
Speaker 2: it's something soft, something edible, something New York. So you know,
Speaker 2: you could do wonder what I am obviously doing, three guys,
Speaker 2: and you give all three of those things to every person. Well,
Speaker 2: it's up for interpretation. So be one soft, like it
Speaker 2: could be a stuffed animal pretzel that is New York
Speaker 2: soft and edible.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean. It's like use your
Speaker 1: imagination and you could just bring something edible for the
Speaker 1: whole gang to eat. Right, everyone can do whatever they need.
Speaker 1: I am getting everyone three separate things with each theme.
Speaker 1: Of course, got it, of course obviously.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So for Lane, I got him miniatures for a dollhouse,
Speaker 1: but of foods from Seinfeld.
Speaker 4: Ooh marble rye. No, that's hard, that's not like.
Speaker 2: I got him a Bosco chocolate sauce, a junior mince box,
Speaker 2: a black and white cookie like plate, and then I'm
Speaker 2: personally ordering from Europe. We'll see if this shoes has
Speaker 2: to make the mold fresh. But it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: miniature tweety pez hopefully. I don't even know that reference.
Speaker 2: Oh it's what makes the piat like they laugh at
Speaker 2: George's girlfriend, who's the piano recital, and Jerry takes a
Speaker 2: tweety pezz out and Elaine laughs and it focks her up.
Speaker 2: Oh so that's like the miniatures. And then I buying
Speaker 2: like an oyster platter ornament. I think for Julia there's
Speaker 2: just there's also a new ornament that I found on Etsy.
Speaker 2: It's it's Haitian mortician and it's clear and inside of
Speaker 2: its coffee.
Speaker 4: Beans, so it's fucking good. But for Alison, I got
Speaker 4: her one.
Speaker 1: That's a Housewives reference in case anyone doesn't, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: go on.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I feel like I've mentioned this already. But
Speaker 2: on The Simpsons there's a joke with Homer and it's
Speaker 2: nuts and gum and he goes, I'm a man eighteen
Speaker 2: to forty five thirty five. Everyone listens to me, and
Speaker 2: he's like, it's a jar of nuts and gum, and
Speaker 2: it's Allison's favorite joke. So I found a tumbler on Etsy,
Speaker 2: and it looks like the canister from Nuts and Gum.
Speaker 1: Oh amazing, but it's yeah, like no, honestly, this is
Speaker 1: an unsponsored at sea commercial because really they do have
Speaker 1: everything you want, like anything you need.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And if you.
Speaker 2: Didn't know, yeah, and for New York, for one of them,
Speaker 2: I've you know those red lantern flies or moths you're
Speaker 2: supposed to kill. Yes, they make clear magnets with like
Speaker 2: the dead the the moths in it.
Speaker 4: Oh my good, I killed a bunch of those when
Speaker 4: I was on these guys. Wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last year I got you a moodang on Etsy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't moodang feel like it was six years ago now, No,
Speaker 1: I mean she I'm still following. I'm still following, so following.
Speaker 1: What's what's what's move up to?
Speaker 4: Wait? Hold on, bird, I'm trying.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, sorry, I have like not a spreadsheet, but
Speaker 1: a notes of all the gifts and the foods and
Speaker 1: the things.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's just.
Speaker 2: Hard because there's like one candy Julia loves from Canada
Speaker 2: and it's only sold in Canada, so it costs whatever.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, do I do that for the food
Speaker 2: or I can do it for the soft and get
Speaker 2: an edible like thing. Yeah, so I don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do, but I bought myself a miniature lunchable.
Speaker 1: I thought that would be cute. Love that, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean I just love it. You can get like
Speaker 1: a plate of mozzarella sticks as an ornament.
Speaker 4: I just like anything you want, anything you're into.
Speaker 1: At Sea has revolutionized gift giving.
Speaker 4: I would say, such creativity, but I'm excited.
Speaker 1: But the ravel rye was an amazing first Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I always think of if I
Speaker 1: think of food on Seinfeld. But the junior mints juju
Speaker 1: Bee's too, right.
Speaker 2: Wasn't Yeah, I couldn't find those, so I have to
Speaker 2: get those specially made, and I'd rather try to get
Speaker 2: this tweety pez.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh my god, she's in and it's gonna pop open. No,
Speaker 4: it'll be in.
Speaker 2: She makes the the container of it, so it's like
Speaker 2: the backing of the box, the pez and then the
Speaker 2: clear thing on top of it a packag.
Speaker 4: It's package. I thought it was just the holder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the miniature world is I mean, it's in
Speaker 2: right now. It's not like I'm a oh yeah, out
Speaker 2: of the truck.
Speaker 1: Is fully of a comic friend of mine is, you know,
Speaker 1: fully into the miniatures, so of it all makes them
Speaker 1: displays them.
Speaker 2: Oh and if you live in Montreal, I will be
Speaker 2: their December seventeenth. And if you want to get people gifts,
Speaker 2: I'm on the road on February twenty. First, I'm doing
Speaker 2: Grammercy Theater in New York, but I'm going to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to a lot of places, Vancouver, Seattle.
Speaker 2: Like tickets to my show can be a Christmas gift, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the gift canter. I'm also on cameo. I just I
Speaker 2: just did a seven minute cameo.
Speaker 1: I'm really like, you truly get like eight you get
Speaker 1: a lot of thirty dollars.
Speaker 4: You get a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put the shirt, but i will give
Speaker 1: you seven minutes. My friend, who you know sent me
Speaker 1: called me with her friend who listen to the podcast
Speaker 1: Hello Friend, and they sent me the cameo that they
Speaker 1: had gotten for her or her friends had gotten for
Speaker 1: her from Luanne. And she's like hungover. She sounds like
Speaker 1: she just smoked seventy thousand cigarettes. She drops the website
Speaker 1: for her cabaret at the end of the cameo and
Speaker 1: is like, don't forget to come see me on the road. Like,
Speaker 1: I think you should start doing your road dates at
Speaker 1: the end of all of your cameos. Like the Countess,
Speaker 1: she's like just out there earning every dollar and I
Speaker 1: love it for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, because I remember she showed someone how much
Speaker 2: money she made on that and they were like, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's out there and she's doing it in the car.
Speaker 4: She's doing on the way to places. It's not like
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Speaker 4: But let's get started.
Speaker 1: We're going to a we're doing a great episode today
Speaker 1: in old school.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're heading back to season one, episode seventeen March
Speaker 2: two thousand.
Speaker 4: I did not remember this episode.
Speaker 1: I know I've seen it. It's all because a couple
Speaker 1: of characters were like the mast. I was watching it
Speaker 1: truly like I've never seen this before, but I know
Speaker 1: I have, but it was so back in the recesses.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: And it's also kind of obvious, like who's doing pretty quickly?
Speaker 2: But there's something about the way they speak in season one,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like the Russian love poem where
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. I don't know why you're
Speaker 2: speaking like this, and this is so confusing and hard
Speaker 2: to understand. Why are you using these words? Like it's
Speaker 2: really a different show, totally agree. Thing goes in my
Speaker 2: brain except for slaves that will haunt me forever. There
Speaker 2: are some sentences and reactions where you're like, why are.
Speaker 4: You saying that?
Speaker 1: Like's not, that's not what you would say here, Like
Speaker 1: it's so it almost makes me feel like there was
Speaker 1: weird editing or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm just glad you.
Speaker 2: Felt the same way, because sometimes I'm like, am I
Speaker 2: just a fool? And then added to this, So a
Speaker 2: maid comes into the hotel room, cute pink uniforms. She's
Speaker 2: shouting housekeeping, housekeeping, so she's speaking Spanish.
Speaker 4: The captions and the noise were from the.
Speaker 2: Episode Taboo that I had just been watching for fun before,
Speaker 2: so for some reason it frosted, but I didn't realize it.
Speaker 2: So I'm just hearing shit about afterbirth and a dog barking,
Speaker 2: but I'm watching her speak Spanish, so I don't know
Speaker 2: what she's saying.
Speaker 4: So I'm writing about after birth when the.
Speaker 1: Captions got fucked up like it Taboo captions and noise crazy.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 2: But then I figured it out quickly because I was like,
Speaker 2: there's no dog, who is angel?
Speaker 4: Where is the afterbirth? Oh? Yes?
Speaker 1: Because the beginning of Taboo is like a dog just
Speaker 1: like finding a baby and like, yeah, yeah, well the
Speaker 1: afterbirth's in its mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I figured it out quick. But Ava Maria,
Speaker 2: you know, she goes, oh, it's a mess. Holy shit.
Speaker 2: She's picking up a bunch of stuff. She slides the door.
Speaker 2: She sees a woman in like a black bronze panty.
Speaker 2: So she turns back and is like, oh, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 2: excuse me, miss. And then when there's no noise, she
Speaker 2: turns around in blonde dead woman on top of the covers,
Speaker 2: eyes open. The maid screams and runs out. See it
Speaker 2: is really wild how wide open her eyes are. She
Speaker 2: is awake, like like Stabler and Benson are on the scene,
Speaker 2: and the CSU tech is like, hotel scenes, fucking suck.
Speaker 2: We've just picked up our fifteenth print. I just stayed
Speaker 2: at a hotel and there was blood speckles on my
Speaker 2: comforter and they brought me another one.
Speaker 1: But it was quite upsetting. Oh that's really upsetting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I didn't notice during my nap. I only noticed
Speaker 1: at night. Oh okay, I'll continue, sorry to upset the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this place, you know, the room's been tossed.
Speaker 2: There's nothing in the safe or and there's no valuables.
Speaker 2: So Benson's digging in a purse no money, and she's like,
Speaker 2: this is strange. I always carry a pairy pair of
Speaker 2: ear rings in my bag.
Speaker 4: No you don't. He's talking about and stablers.
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, like you carry a purse, and then
Speaker 2: she goes, well, that's because you carry it for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever they approached it. There's marks on
Speaker 1: the neck.
Speaker 2: The larynx is crushed twelve to eighteen hours ago. Their
Speaker 2: guests saying, so between four and ten pm was the murder.
Speaker 2: The arms are crossed, so that's you know, personalization, Stabler says.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, we're great, a burglar, rapist with a conscience,
Speaker 2: so credits. Jeffries and Munsch are walking down the staircase
Speaker 2: that's in the middle of the precinct and I really
Speaker 2: miss it. I missed the staircase to nowhere from nowhere
Speaker 2: like they had a lofted office.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one time we were up there with the old lady,
Speaker 1: I feel like, and then never again.
Speaker 4: No, were we not up there for raw for like
Speaker 4: the racists. I feel oh, maybe.
Speaker 1: I just remember when they lent the old lady, like
Speaker 1: the NYPD sweatsuit.
Speaker 4: Or whatever, and she was up there.
Speaker 2: So Munch's suspender lavender pink dress shirt. Jeffries is giving,
Speaker 2: like mid speech, she's you know, it's a power trip,
Speaker 2: aggression control, male domination. Remember, he goes, yeah, but a
Speaker 2: rape's a ripe is a rape. I'm just saying you
Speaker 2: can't rule out the sexual aspects. I don't know whose
Speaker 2: accent that was. So Benson and Stabler approach. Benson calls
Speaker 2: them frickin' fracks. Stabler says Alphonse and Gaston, okay, and
Speaker 2: then Munch says slappy and happy.
Speaker 1: I can't so they're bantering. Thank god, Hey, who are
Speaker 1: Alphonse and Gaston? Oh it's a comic strip. No, I
Speaker 1: thought it was from Beauty and the Beast. No, it's
Speaker 1: a comic strip about a pair of French a Frenchman
Speaker 1: with a pension for politeness. I thought Gaston was Beauting
Speaker 1: the Beast too, But there's no Alphons.
Speaker 4: I don't think. What's that little short man's name?
Speaker 1: Then Lafou Lafou, Yeah, damn my bud. Okay, so banter, banter,
Speaker 1: But it is also so weird that they're just like
Speaker 1: French comic strip, like do we think Stable reads that
Speaker 1: it's just confusing.
Speaker 4: It's very confused. I mean I thought it was beating
Speaker 4: the beast.
Speaker 2: So so Craigan interrupts, and well, because it also like
Speaker 2: there they don't work together, one is clearly beneath, so like,
Speaker 2: I guess that also confused me, but I went with it.
Speaker 2: Craigan interrupts, he wants to get back to work, so
Speaker 2: Stabler starts reading his notes. No signs of first entry
Speaker 2: death probably by strangulation early last night reads like rob
Speaker 2: Ray palmicide. If she did fight back, not for long.
Speaker 2: And Craigan is bothered by the staging of the body,
Speaker 2: as we all are, you know, arms, cross posts mortem.
Speaker 2: So we don't think it's a stranger, you know, like
Speaker 2: a remorseful stranger doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 4: Jeffrey goes, well, maybe it's regret, you know.
Speaker 2: So then a man I've never seen before in my
Speaker 2: life he walks by and says, you can't rule out anger,
Speaker 2: and then he walk he leaves.
Speaker 1: Oh it's Kenny Briscoe. It's brisco It's like they give
Speaker 1: That's what I thought was so funny too. I go
Speaker 1: look at them throwing Jerry Orbox on a line he
Speaker 1: just goes, can't rule out anger and walks away.
Speaker 2: Whoall because I didn't know? Because later they call him Brisco.
Speaker 2: But even when I went on IMDb, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I need to find out who this is. This is
Speaker 2: like twenty years ago. I'm like, I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: look at these faces. Nothing makes sense. I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: So but later they do, they do address him, but
Speaker 2: he's he's given intern he's a young young man, so
Speaker 2: they really have nothing, like how do we narrow anything down,
Speaker 2: especially with all the prints in DNA, but they are
Speaker 2: working on exclusionary prints from hotel staff. So Craigan goes,
Speaker 2: all right, tell me about the victim. This is Benson's turn.
Speaker 2: Sylvia Hadley. She's married, her husband's in Baltimore and she
Speaker 2: and her father in law, doctor Benjamin Hadley, and his wife.
Speaker 2: So the mother in law were attending the national conference
Speaker 2: from Christian Colleges in New York City. So Munch knows
Speaker 2: who you know who this Hadley guy is? He goes,
Speaker 2: not the Benji Hadley. That guy's more powerful than Pat
Speaker 2: Robertson and then able to leap a tall Democrat and
Speaker 2: a single bound What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Wait, say it again.
Speaker 2: Able to leap a tall democrat and a single bound.
Speaker 1: It's like a joke about Superman able to leap a
Speaker 1: tall building in a single bound.
Speaker 4: I guess. And then it's.
Speaker 2: Like, again, weird language. So this guy's the president of
Speaker 2: Midvale College. He goes, it was a nothing college and
Speaker 2: now he made it a think tank for neo conservatives,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, isn't that an oxymoron? And he says,
Speaker 2: I love you, Olivia. Munch keeps talking shit. He hates
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers. Benson reports that the husband's been told and
Speaker 2: is flying up, and the in laws were pretty flipped.
Speaker 2: Stabler says, is it just like language was different in
Speaker 2: two thousand?
Speaker 4: Like was I too young? Like what the fuck are
Speaker 4: we talking about? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're still getting the tone of the
Speaker 1: show or something. And so like the writing is all
Speaker 1: a little bit all over the place. I really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pre neal bear Yeah, no offense.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so we have to go back to talk
Speaker 2: to them, and right there I wrote, I'm confused how
Speaker 2: they talk. Jeffreys and Munch go to the morgue. It's
Speaker 2: a red haired woman with bangs, like my mother. She
Speaker 2: confirms its manual strangulation for cause of death. Between six
Speaker 2: thirty and nine last night, rape kit positive for semen,
Speaker 2: sheets turned up positive for bodily fluids as well. Good
Speaker 2: samples much flirts with redhair and she's not into it.
Speaker 1: Well I read in the wiki of this episode that
Speaker 1: she's kind of reacting to I guess he asked her
Speaker 1: out in the previous episode.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, which I don't know if we've covered yet.
Speaker 4: By the go girl.
Speaker 2: Cool, Benson and Stabler are with the in laws at
Speaker 2: this fancy hotel and they need to know about Sylvia's day.
Speaker 2: So they were at an awards dinner for the Christian
Speaker 2: Educator's Coalition, but she wanted to go home and skip
Speaker 2: the mixer. They assumed that she was just like tired
Speaker 2: from walking around all day. He says she was super independent,
Speaker 2: loved art and was like dying to go to the
Speaker 2: met and the mother in law goes, yeah, but she
Speaker 2: did seem pretty tired. So the man, the mustache Man,
Speaker 2: have you seen the Mustache Man?
Speaker 4: Pipes back up.
Speaker 2: And she she and Brad had been burning the midnight
Speaker 2: oil on annual reports. So Brad Weber is this finance guy.
Speaker 2: They have an office here. He's staying here too, working
Speaker 2: in the New York office. And Stabler asks if there's
Speaker 2: been any grievances with her, and he says she was
Speaker 2: a fine young woman. Everyone loved her. She and his
Speaker 2: son had so much to look forward to. And Stabler's like,
Speaker 2: we just start looking for, like any possible motive, and
Speaker 2: this dude's psycho. He turns he goes a drug addict
Speaker 2: or rapist broke into her room. How about lack of
Speaker 2: personal responsibility? And while he's blabbing, they like, the shot
Speaker 2: is on his wife's face and she's very sad. And
Speaker 2: then he brings up a theistic hedonism and he says
Speaker 2: he knows something like this would happen here. So now
Speaker 2: we're in the underbelly of the hotel getting scoop and
Speaker 2: cameras from this city.
Speaker 1: It's the shit. They always say that New York has
Speaker 1: no God and that's why everybody there is just like
Speaker 1: sucking and fucking and drinking and committing sins and murdering people.
Speaker 4: At least they're doing on the open, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like they're raping children on an island, so
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: It's just like again, my phone feeds me what I want.
Speaker 2: But the amount of right.
Speaker 1: Wing people that get arrested for child abuse images and
Speaker 1: child and rape is quite crazy. A lot of cameras
Speaker 1: obviously it's a hotel, but not in the hallways because
Speaker 1: privacy and you know, people do need to cheat on
Speaker 1: their spouses somewhere and it would be too expensive to
Speaker 1: have that many cameras.
Speaker 4: But they go, well, then how do you protect people?
Speaker 2: He goes, We're pretty diligent about trying to kick crazies out,
Speaker 2: and we have electronic locks so we know when like
Speaker 2: the door is opened by staff or guests. And so
Speaker 2: he has Hadley's log and this guy's old school, white
Speaker 2: haired man, but he already printed that information all the
Speaker 2: room service, everything for that room. And he also has
Speaker 2: tapes from check in around the hotel. It's just like
Speaker 2: a box of tapes. The only issue is there's a
Speaker 2: glitch and there's no time stamps. So then stable are
Speaker 2: at like you know, asked about the staff, and he goes,
Speaker 2: you want to investigate, that's on you, babe, but you're
Speaker 2: not going to find anything. We do more background checks
Speaker 2: here than the FBI. Benson asks if there are any
Speaker 2: of the other hotels he knows have gotten similar attacks,
Speaker 2: and there's one that got did get hit, but the
Speaker 2: guest was gone and there was no log of any
Speaker 2: entry at all. So now they're outside, they're chatting, and
Speaker 2: they're looking at the log from Sylvia's room. And so
Speaker 2: nine to twenty five am, the maid cleans the room.
Speaker 2: A lot of room service Thursday to Friday, but none
Speaker 2: on Sunday, which is the crucial period, and she got
Speaker 2: into the room quarter of five. So they go to
Speaker 2: visit Brad Weber at the investment company, and he lives
Speaker 2: in Baltimore, but comes up often enough that they got
Speaker 2: an office. And it's like the same of this partner,
Speaker 2: like they flip floplake. That guy goes to Baltimore, he
Speaker 2: goes to New York. They're just working. He met with
Speaker 2: Sylvia on Sunday. You know, we're all working, and there
Speaker 2: was supposed to be report to trustees today. But after
Speaker 2: the Sunday meeting, he came to the office tourk late
Speaker 2: and walked along Fifth Avenue and then went back to
Speaker 2: the hotel around nine and he kind of scoffs and
Speaker 2: He's like, you seem suspicious and Benson goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: this early in investigation, were suspicious of everybody. He said
Speaker 2: that he crashed when he got to the hotel since
Speaker 2: today was supposed to be a big day, so you know,
Speaker 2: with the reports, they had to report to everyone. So
Speaker 2: now we're back at the office and Munch is talking
Speaker 2: to mister Hadley, the husband.
Speaker 4: Do you have any kids? No? Okay, my god, do
Speaker 4: you hear the honking? It's like insane. I heard it
Speaker 4: really lightly. So they asked do you have any kids?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: And then Munch asks him if him and his wife
Speaker 2: are having problems, and he hates that question. He goes,
Speaker 2: my wife was not having an affair and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: that's not really what we met. Jeffrey pops in and
Speaker 2: is like any financial problems and he goes, no, what
Speaker 2: the fuck? Why are you putting our private life under
Speaker 2: a microscope. This isn't about my wife. This is about
Speaker 2: one of your New York psychos out roaming the streets.
Speaker 2: But it's not pc to do anything about them. So
Speaker 2: Jeffreys tries to calm him down, and it's like, son
Speaker 2: and dad definitely killed this woman.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Benson was walk in and shake his hand.
Speaker 4: He leaves to go.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I guess grief is different, but it
Speaker 1: seems crazy to just start making this like an act
Speaker 1: of political you know what I mean, Like you're yelling
Speaker 1: about PC stuff.
Speaker 4: Your wife's dead, what are you talking?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I think that's all par for
Speaker 1: the course with these kind of people.
Speaker 2: Benson and Stabler walk in and shake his hand, and
Speaker 2: he leaves to go see his parents. He then apologizes
Speaker 2: for being an asshole like me at a hotel desk
Speaker 2: in any morning, in anywhere in the world. So Benson
Speaker 2: fills the team and Brad Weber no Goo doorman saw
Speaker 2: him leave at six and got hotel messages. After nine,
Speaker 2: all staff prints were cleared, like there is a burglar
Speaker 2: hitting big hotels. So I guess that's a lead. But
Speaker 2: the robbery Task Force is already on it. So Benson
Speaker 2: shouts over the man I've never seen before.
Speaker 4: It's Brisco.
Speaker 2: And they give him a box of tapes with no
Speaker 2: time stamps and go go do this. So Stinbler at
Speaker 2: that point hangs up a phone and the name of
Speaker 2: the latest victim of these robberies is Lana Hoffman and
Speaker 2: she's staying at the Sussex on the East Side. She
Speaker 2: is blonde, and she's an actress named Kelly dead Mom,
Speaker 2: which maybe it's pronounced different but definitely spelled like dead mom.
Speaker 2: I looked her up because I just knew she had
Speaker 2: been in other s views, and she she's in five episodes.
Speaker 2: She was in season eight Annihilated and season fifteen Dissonant Voices,
Speaker 2: and then in season nineteen she's in Remember Me and
Speaker 2: Remember Me Too?
Speaker 4: So a queen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so familiar to me, so yeah, I know, yeah.
Speaker 4: She says it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember her from Annihilated, Like was
Speaker 2: she not the wife of.
Speaker 4: That actor that?
Speaker 1: She is the wife I think, And he's the niptock
Speaker 1: yees wife, Yes.
Speaker 4: Of the Niptok guy. Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: She says it took her a second to realize that
Speaker 2: the safe had even been oating disc voices. She's the
Speaker 2: mom of the kid who's like accusing Billy Porter is
Speaker 2: a dissonant voice.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the one? It is? Yeah, it sure is,
Speaker 4: She says.
Speaker 2: It took her a second to realize that the safety
Speaker 2: had even been gone in her jewelry is gone, but
Speaker 2: she's annoyed because the other detectives dismissed it as an
Speaker 2: idiosyncrasy and they're like, well what and the burglar masturbated
Speaker 2: in her underwear and the evidence is in lock up
Speaker 2: and the other cops said, whatever, that's random.
Speaker 4: Who gives a shit?
Speaker 2: So they ask if anything random happened that day, or like,
Speaker 2: did anyone follow you? Follow you in the lobby, and
Speaker 2: she goes, yes, there was a guy reading the paper
Speaker 2: in the lounge and he did creep her out. They
Speaker 2: rode the elevator together once and he wore a red
Speaker 2: baseball cap the whole time, so that's why she noticed him.
Speaker 2: And then she goes, yeah, because I remember thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: some men never grow up. And that's kind of cultural
Speaker 2: shift too, because like, hats don't really mean the same
Speaker 2: thing like.
Speaker 4: That you're like a child. Yeah, yeah, people just wear
Speaker 4: hats now.
Speaker 2: So we go to the burglary task Force, so s
Speaker 2: few detectives are being normal, and this guy's like taking
Speaker 2: offense to their presence. He's like, oh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you want to take all the burglaries. How about Manhattan
Speaker 2: takes all of them? You think every burglar is a
Speaker 2: rapist and Benson's like, we just care about the with
Speaker 2: the masturbating in the underwear, and they like hul his
Speaker 2: ass with all this information. He's like, oh, yeah, how
Speaker 2: could you have helped me? How are you gonna help me?
Speaker 1: And they go, this is exactly what we were talking
Speaker 1: about last episode, I know.
Speaker 2: And they go to schools. Well he wasn't so but
Speaker 2: they schooled like it's amazing. So he goes, how could
Speaker 2: you have helped me? And so Benson and Stabler are
Speaker 2: kind of like double team and they go, well, he
Speaker 2: wasn't in it for the money, so like, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: waste your time looking for the goods on the streets.
Speaker 2: It's not random. He stalks and follows these people for days.
Speaker 2: He likes blondes. He gets a rush from being in
Speaker 2: plane view of the hotel and now a woman's dead
Speaker 2: because you were protecting your caller. He's silent and Benson
Speaker 2: and Stabler leave. He chases them outside. Yeah, so what
Speaker 2: we didn't want to call you? Nobody wants to call
Speaker 2: you ever. You guys are twenty four to seven pervert
Speaker 2: City and we don't get why you pick that squad
Speaker 2: and Stabler with another mic drop. It's people like you
Speaker 2: that make our squad necessary. He goes, well, we don't
Speaker 2: want whatever you got, and Benson's phone rings and he
Speaker 2: calls so like, while she's on the phone, though, guys
Speaker 2: are still chatting, and he calls Stabler tainted and the
Speaker 2: cop goes, I bet the only people you hang out
Speaker 2: with is Brooklyn SVU. He goes wrong. The Bronx says,
Speaker 2: tov you. Benson hangs up, and it was Kragan. The
Speaker 2: victim was pregnant. So Staylor goes, oh, what Donna? A
Speaker 2: double homicide? So the guy just kinds of stands there
Speaker 2: and they walk away. Benson asks Munch how.
Speaker 1: Britain, which is very season one because now that's a
Speaker 1: little bit too tricky.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean he's working on it and looking for the baseball cap.
Speaker 4: Wait, what do you mean it's tricky?
Speaker 1: Like they wouldn't say that now because like that would
Speaker 1: be too close.
Speaker 2: To like abortion, like she's much because the John Ritter too.
Speaker 2: It is still homicide. If you like stab a pregnant
Speaker 2: woman and kill the feet at like Scott and Lacy Peterson,
Speaker 2: that is double homicide.
Speaker 1: I think it's considered a forced abortion sometimes like an
Speaker 1: illegal Maybe it's like an age of the abortions.
Speaker 4: Peterson case I felt like was a homicide.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's why in the ridder one
Speaker 1: they had to say that the bait had to trick
Speaker 1: him into saying the baby took a breath. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why, and he was like, no, the baby didn't cry.
Speaker 2: Or because I don't even like the equation. I guess
Speaker 2: you have to prove it's alive or not. I get,
Speaker 2: I guess, but it's like so annoying that, like you
Speaker 2: have to focus on semantics so much when it is
Speaker 2: so different. Yeah, of course, like I don't get that whatever. So, uh,
Speaker 2: the Brisco's working on it, and he's looking for the
Speaker 2: baseball cap stable right now, is making maps of all
Speaker 2: the like robbery hits of the hotels, and I mean
Speaker 2: it's been going on for four months. And while they brainstorm,
Speaker 2: Craig and yells out people, uh, I think you should
Speaker 2: listen to this, and it's the Christians and they're talking
Speaker 2: about moral decay and America on TV and they don't
Speaker 2: really have time for that. So they go to another
Speaker 2: hotel and they see the guy in the red hat.
Speaker 2: They can't even believe it. Jeffrey like follows him. Munch
Speaker 2: is wearing a hasidic fedora. They follow under the sixth
Speaker 2: floor rooms six twenty four, Benson and Stabler meet. They
Speaker 2: all meet outside the door they open with the key guard.
Speaker 2: They arrest him. It's really really exciting. So right in
Speaker 2: the middle, no dead body is just a fun little burglary.
Speaker 2: And as they're taking him out the rob why is
Speaker 2: your mouth agape?
Speaker 1: Because I just now when I was looking up the
Speaker 1: woman that you were talking about Deadmond, when you saw
Speaker 1: that this burglar is Norbert Leo. Buttz, I don't know
Speaker 1: that is you do? He is the original, he knows
Speaker 1: the casein knows too. We've tried to get it. We've
Speaker 1: tried to get him on the podcast. He's the original
Speaker 1: Fierro in Wicked. And by the way, I said on
Speaker 1: a former episode that he's the original Bok, I meant
Speaker 1: to say Fiero. He's the original Fierro in Wicked. And
Speaker 1: he was just on a new season episode or how
Speaker 1: caught up are you on the new season episode?
Speaker 4: Now you see the one.
Speaker 1: Where the fertility clinic gets I've only seen one. He's
Speaker 1: in a brand new season twenty seven episode and he's
Speaker 1: in bloodline. He's in a lot of stuff, and that
Speaker 1: just isn't what he looks like. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: twenty five years have passed, but like twenty six years,
Speaker 1: but like he looks I didn't even clock him as
Speaker 1: member Leo Butts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he spells Butts different than you guys think there
Speaker 2: is a Z. Okay, it's a Z yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I just like the rushing in arrest. So while they're
Speaker 2: walking him out the robbery teams, they're going, that's our
Speaker 2: collar and they go, well, no, you didn't get him,
Speaker 2: so and he's been a fucking bitch and then Benson says,
Speaker 2: our captain's been talking to the mayor, and Sailor says yeah,
Speaker 2: and the mayor didn't really like hearing about your unwillingness
Speaker 2: to cooperate.
Speaker 4: He tries to put his hands on Stabler.
Speaker 2: Stabler's like, wait a minute, flips the fuck out, don't
Speaker 2: fucking touch me. I don't like to be touched. And
Speaker 2: they let go of each other, and Stabler sits in
Speaker 2: the front.
Speaker 1: Seat and Munch puts red hat into the back seat,
Speaker 1: and then the Butts guy goes, if that's the guy
Speaker 1: questioning me, I definitely want a lawyer and I don't
Speaker 1: think these burglaries and murders are connected.
Speaker 4: But that's just me.
Speaker 2: So he goes, he has like a device in his
Speaker 2: hand that gets him into everything, and he made it.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, it's not even hard. I'm a computer programmer.
Speaker 2: And his lawyer goes, stop talking, and he said whatever.
Speaker 2: So I was fired for my electronic block company because
Speaker 2: I was too bothered by the illusion that they were perpetuating.
Speaker 2: And Munch goes, yeah, yeah, I'm your guy. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I love a conspiracy. He goes, yeah, there's tons of
Speaker 2: key cards on the maid's car, like one combination opens
Speaker 2: every single room in the whole hotel. And the lawyer goes,
Speaker 2: please stop. If you want me to help you, he goes,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? They got me get me
Speaker 2: the best deal, and it is what it is.
Speaker 1: He's like, your job is to get me a good deal.
Speaker 1: Shout what the fuck up? I want to brack about
Speaker 1: my crimes.
Speaker 2: He says, all that stuff he took is just sitting
Speaker 2: in his apartment. It's nicely cataloged. It could all be returned.
Speaker 2: It's not about the stuff. He was just trying to
Speaker 2: prove a point and the lawyer finally says, can you
Speaker 2: just please shut up for one second? At that moment,
Speaker 2: there's a knock on the window and Munch says, maybe
Speaker 2: you too need some alone time. So the four detectives
Speaker 2: are out in the spy window and the Butts guy's
Speaker 2: like face on mirror, like trying to see something.
Speaker 1: I just think it's so crazy that this guy is
Speaker 1: like Adam Conover. Basically, he's like trying to be like, actually,
Speaker 1: hotel security is a myth, like you know, you could
Speaker 1: do anything you want. You can get these keyguards or
Speaker 1: easy to get and all the safes can.
Speaker 4: Be open and blah b It's like I don't know.
Speaker 1: And he's doing this all just as a crusade, like
Speaker 1: it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2: So much, and Jeffreys are like, ooh, let's go be
Speaker 2: bad cop, like let's have some fucking fun and they
Speaker 2: kind of fistpound each other. And so now the Hadleys
Speaker 2: are in the squad room too, and they're like, should
Speaker 2: we tell him about the pregnancy, and Jeffrey's a month
Speaker 2: like absolutely not. It's like a card we can hold
Speaker 2: on too for later. So much, and Jeffries enter back.
Speaker 1: So you love underwear, you freak and he goes, no,
Speaker 1: but yeah kind of yeah, and then they bring up
Speaker 1: Sunday and he's shocked, Oh my god, no rape, no murder.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not wired that way. He gets so angry. He's like,
Speaker 2: I want to clear it up right now. I didn't
Speaker 2: rape anyone. They go, where were you goes so ho East,
Speaker 2: I stole a diamond studded collar off a terrier. It's
Speaker 2: the only dog friendly hotel in the city, and that's
Speaker 2: that's definitely changed.
Speaker 4: You can bring dog and how yeah, how times have changed.
Speaker 1: Cute dogg But I love how this guy is a
Speaker 1: computer programmer who also wants to prove a point about
Speaker 1: hotel security, but also likes to masturbate in women's underwear.
Speaker 4: And that's just who I am. Baby. He's like, just
Speaker 4: get used to it. Yeah, he's really confident.
Speaker 2: The husband wants to see the guy, but Benson a munchure,
Speaker 2: like we made a mistake, and they, you know, they
Speaker 2: brought him down a little prematurely what they like to do.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't believe this templer goes Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: shit takes time. But riling up the press wasn't really cool. Huh,
Speaker 2: and the dad's there. He goes, listen, we're under a
Speaker 2: lot of pressure. We apologize, and he also realizes, like,
Speaker 2: I know, your job is really hard, and the husband goes,
Speaker 2: how hard can it be? My wife was killed in
Speaker 2: a hotel and Ben goes, yeah, we'll find him, okay.
Speaker 2: So they leave and they confirm the dog collar theft,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, maybe I have another idea, like maybe
Speaker 2: she was having an affair, but you know, because why
Speaker 2: else wouldn't she tell her husband that she's pregnant. She
Speaker 2: also did not fight back, and she could have let
Speaker 2: the attacker in and so, and maybe she was more
Speaker 2: modern than her religious family that she married into. Craigan
Speaker 2: sends Benson and Stablerr back to the hotel for a
Speaker 2: closer look. A man in a dress shirt in tiwalk
Speaker 2: the detectives through the kitchen, and he said he would
Speaker 2: not have remembered her if she hadn't gotten killed, but
Speaker 2: when you hear the news, it solidifies everything in your mind.
Speaker 2: And he says she was a pain in the ass.
Speaker 2: She ordered a lot of room service, they brought so
Speaker 2: much food, and even when they brought foods, she always
Speaker 2: needed more stuff and would send them down for more
Speaker 2: sauces and things, but also never ordered dinner, only tons
Speaker 2: of appetizers. And so they bring one of those servers
Speaker 2: over in like a full red vest, white shirt situation,
Speaker 2: and when asked if he remembers the woman, he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: the one who bid it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they asked if she ever with anybody, he goes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Every time he came in the room, the bathroom door
Speaker 2: was closed, so maybe because someone could have been in there.
Speaker 2: He also does apologize for his rude comment earlier. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes guests just be from a room number.
Speaker 2: After a while, at eleven pm, she called down to
Speaker 2: have the mini bar restocked, but they could not do that,
Speaker 2: so she went down to the bar instead. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's not really the picture of the Hadleets had painted.
Speaker 2: But I also wonder if she didn't know she was
Speaker 2: pregnant or did want to have an abortion, because she's
Speaker 2: really like boozing it up. So then the tie guy
Speaker 2: says that people do all sorts of things in hotels,
Speaker 2: And so that was Saturday night before she was killed.
Speaker 2: She was there Friday and Saturday night, and Saturday she
Speaker 2: was with the guy, the bartender has all this information.
Speaker 2: It looked like they worked together, but she was laying
Speaker 2: it on thick hands, on thighs, whispering, leaning in. She
Speaker 2: was having a green apple martini. Disgusting. They left together.
Speaker 2: She couldn't walk without him. She was like really wasted,
Speaker 2: and the bartender goes, no, the guy was a hero.
Speaker 2: He stayed here too, and he charged the drinks to
Speaker 2: his room and guess who it is, Brad Weber.
Speaker 4: Dramatic music and he's room bars. So they start grilling him.
Speaker 1: He's obviously lying, you know, but he has to loosen
Speaker 1: up after he realized, like, they know what's up.
Speaker 2: So he goes, listen, we did have an investment meeting.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm happily married. There is no affair. She
Speaker 2: did hit on me, though, and it felt like harassment.
Speaker 2: But she could ruin my life. And Sailor is not
Speaker 2: buying any of this, and like, you know, now you're
Speaker 2: actually giving us motive, so we think it's you even more.
Speaker 2: The affair got too much. You got scared you'd lose
Speaker 2: the client. It's such a big client, and so you
Speaker 2: killed her. He's like, that is not true. There was
Speaker 2: no affair. He's like she was half drunk in the meeting.
Speaker 2: He felt like he like had to like join in
Speaker 2: on the flirting for his job, she insisted. But he
Speaker 2: also said he liked like having a hot woman on
Speaker 2: his arm in New York and that people were like
Speaker 2: all jealous. And he says he ordered so like I
Speaker 2: guess he thinks his wife is a fucking dog. Okay,
Speaker 2: So then he says he ordered beers and drank them slowly,
Speaker 2: which the bartender did give the detail earlier as well,
Speaker 2: that like she was drinking to do something stupid and
Speaker 2: he was drinking to not you know, so he's nursing
Speaker 2: these beers. They left and he walked her back to
Speaker 2: the room and they kissed outside the room.
Speaker 4: But that's it, he says.
Speaker 1: I know, I love how this guy's like, I'm a
Speaker 1: good guy, like I didn't do any and it's just
Speaker 1: like little bit like little lies keep like.
Speaker 2: Sailor's not buying it. He goes, no, I swear I
Speaker 2: went back to my room. I love my life. Please,
Speaker 2: I don't want to ruin my life. And so the
Speaker 2: benson asks where he was Sunday night, and he keeps denying.
Speaker 2: They keep pushing, and so they go talk to the dad,
Speaker 2: the dad in lam and he likes Brad. He likes
Speaker 2: the way he handles the money. And there's a Bible
Speaker 2: quote said, and then Staylor goes, please leave scripture out
Speaker 2: of this and tell us if there's any pertinent information
Speaker 2: about Brad Weber the man's size. He clears his throat,
Speaker 2: he starts pacing, so a lot of action. He says,
Speaker 2: he's always a little in the tank at our functions.
Speaker 2: And I like that saying he's always a little in
Speaker 2: the tank. Yes, in the tank is fun. You know
Speaker 2: what my mom likes to say about lot. I'm drunk,
Speaker 2: she says.
Speaker 1: Polluted. She goes, oh, did you guys just get polluted
Speaker 1: last night? I'm like, wow, a new one, A new one?
Speaker 4: YEA polluted? Guy's got polluted?
Speaker 1: Or what do I say, hammered after a blocked out?
Speaker 4: What do I say?
Speaker 1: Wasted party? I partied, fucked up? Yeah, I got fucked
Speaker 1: went after it. So yeah, so they're they're throwing him
Speaker 1: under the bus.
Speaker 2: And now behind the man, the husband is there and
Speaker 2: he has his arms crossed like a little child, and
Speaker 2: the dad continues that he's known to make passes at
Speaker 2: women and in the past they laughed it off, and
Speaker 2: then Benson goes, well, nobody's laughing now.
Speaker 4: So they ask about.
Speaker 2: Personal connection, but he's like, no, they only work together
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine him hurting him. The dad jumps in,
Speaker 2: we only needed a report from him once a month,
Speaker 2: but Sylvia did work close with him all the time,
Speaker 2: and you know, they handled the management of endowment. And
Speaker 2: the son goes, wait, what are you what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? And the dad goes, come on Ben late
Speaker 2: nights two to three times a week.
Speaker 4: Grow up.
Speaker 2: He pats him. He says, you know, they have never fought.
Speaker 2: But then it's like, damn, I hoped it would be
Speaker 2: a stranger. I can't believe she's fucking Brad. So they're
Speaker 2: back at cement room bars going you lie to us.
Speaker 2: We hear you love to drink and grope, and he
Speaker 2: goes no, and then he goes, listen, so what I drink?
Speaker 2: My job is stressful, but like, you don't know what
Speaker 2: it takes to keep that college afloat. We have an
Speaker 2: extra meetings because there's a huge balloon payment due next quarter.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I don't care a
Speaker 2: huge balloon payment due next quarter. It's just a bunch
Speaker 2: of money is due. Yeah, all right, so it takes
Speaker 2: a lot of work. The trustees are paying. Next, Stabler goes, well,
Speaker 2: what kind of payment are we talking? So Hadley structured
Speaker 2: a poor deal back in the seventies by buying the
Speaker 2: college high risk, high interest, no intermediate payments.
Speaker 4: I don't know what knows.
Speaker 1: It seems to me like they haven't paid anything for
Speaker 1: a long time and now a massive bill is coming due.
Speaker 4: Like that's what it sounds like to me. But I'm
Speaker 4: no finance person, No I think you are.
Speaker 2: So it's biting him in the ass, and Sylvia is
Speaker 2: trying to fix it, and that's why he's out there
Speaker 2: like still stumping around. So the lawyer hops in and goes, listen,
Speaker 2: this dude has never been in trouble before. He told
Speaker 2: the truth when I wasn't around. Okay, And they say,
Speaker 2: you know, he's still a prime suspect unless he gives
Speaker 2: us some other good information or a blood test. And
Speaker 2: he's like, yea, get I'll do the blood test. Why
Speaker 2: didn't you ask for the blood test yesterday?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Just like holding him in this room, he's down for
Speaker 2: the blood He did nothing, So now we're looking into
Speaker 2: the college Hadley fired anybody that disagreed with him, and
Speaker 2: his doctorate is from Lutheran Ministry College in Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 4: So he's a preacher boy.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why they had to have that info, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm happy to know what college you.
Speaker 4: Went to, But am I missing something?
Speaker 1: This is connected to some of the stuff in the
Speaker 1: in the rhyme, yeah, in the.
Speaker 4: Truth ol Okay, I love that.
Speaker 2: And so the Hadleys are holding a memorial service and
Speaker 2: that's in one hour. So the team splits up, so
Speaker 2: some go to the memorial and some go to talk
Speaker 2: to the college professors that have been asked.
Speaker 1: Okay, but can we just talk about the fact that
Speaker 1: they're having a memorial for this woman in a city
Speaker 1: that they're not from.
Speaker 4: They don't live in New York. They're like on a
Speaker 4: trip and they're like.
Speaker 1: We're having a memorial here in New York for her,
Speaker 1: and like they're like they have not stopped talking about
Speaker 1: what a cesspool of sin New York is and that
Speaker 1: this could only happen here. And then they're like, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's rent out of space. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: a church. We're gonna have the remembrances here, like what's happening?
Speaker 2: And then they're at the park, which I love, and
Speaker 2: why you know they're by like I feel like it's
Speaker 2: Washington Square, this it's NYU. So this dude tells Jeffreys
Speaker 2: a munch that yes he was stalin, Like so, I
Speaker 2: don't know what that means. Strict, yeah, paranoid, basically a
Speaker 2: fascist dictator, like getting any bad rid of you that
Speaker 2: doesn't like agree with you. Yeah, so whatever. This guy,
Speaker 2: he's a philosophy professor, he started teaching in nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: and he's all about question every perceived truth. Origin of
Speaker 2: species was the first thing to go though, and he
Speaker 2: hated it and realized Hadley only cared about rich conservative
Speaker 2: donors and not about you know, going for truth and
Speaker 2: questioning things and the species or whatnot.
Speaker 4: So now we get a little bomb drop.
Speaker 2: Okay, rumor was that Sylvia spent more time working with
Speaker 2: the Hadley senior than living with Hadley Junior. Okay, gross,
Speaker 2: this guy's not hot, like not even I'm not even
Speaker 2: talking physically, like insulting a man's looks like this actor
Speaker 2: is so good, Like this guy's not fuckable or hot
Speaker 2: in anyway? Am I wrong this stash is. No, he's weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't, and I don't think the Sun is. You know,
Speaker 2: they're both a little weird, you know, heroes. I don't
Speaker 2: know why this chick is fucking these guys.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So he's not surprised though, because Junior, you know,
Speaker 2: NEPO got him the job. But Sylvia has had strong, badass,
Speaker 2: like she did everything. So now we're at the memorial
Speaker 2: and Hadley Senior is to talking and the mom is
Speaker 2: sitting and she's looking up at him. She really doesn't
Speaker 2: like him very much, and the son seems like he
Speaker 2: hates him as well, and he's thanking people for their guidance.
Speaker 2: The mom is giving, like Milania disinterest. I would say.
Speaker 2: They approach the Sun questions, questions, more questions, and the
Speaker 2: Sun finally breaks and says, in the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: she changed a lot, and she wasn't the same person
Speaker 2: that he married. He didn't even know her anymore, and
Speaker 2: you know, flying across the country, cell phone permanently on
Speaker 2: her ear, he knew less and less about her life.
Speaker 2: So now we're back at the office. Everyone's scratching their heads.
Speaker 2: They're trying to figure this out. So finally we bring
Speaker 2: up the mom, Sharon Hedley. She does appear to be
Speaker 2: the glue that holds the family together, and Craigan goes, okay,
Speaker 2: I have enough to go get the Hadley's blood.
Speaker 4: Let's get all their blood.
Speaker 2: So Craigan vampire, you know, and bring mom back up
Speaker 2: to see how strong the glue really is. So she
Speaker 2: walks in and Benson does a one on one with her,
Speaker 2: and you know, she asks with Sylvia happy, The mom goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: she loved that. She really knew how to work a fundraiser,
Speaker 2: and I bet she would have really gotten along with
Speaker 2: Lindsay from the episode.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, from what because she had a gift
Speaker 1: for corporate giving.
Speaker 4: Yes, a gift for corporate giving. You're so right.
Speaker 2: And yeah and this woman not just yeah, she really
Speaker 2: worked a fundraiser. So hopefully they're in heaven making some events.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're working a Colon now fundraiser in
Speaker 1: heaven together right now.
Speaker 2: So okay, so now the son he loved to teach
Speaker 2: and you know, was the sun happy And she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: they were a good team, but you know, he wished
Speaker 2: that she worked less and spent more time with him,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, okay, Well that's not the same thing
Speaker 2: as being happy. She goes, listen, happiness is highly overrated.
Speaker 2: Detective marriage is a working partnership, and it's about the Lord.
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, okay, so was it? Was it consecrated
Speaker 2: by the Lord? Was she faithful? And the mom goes yes,
Speaker 2: And it's like, how would you know? What are you
Speaker 2: talking about? But the mom continues, she was faithful to
Speaker 2: all of us. She loved her job, loved her school,
Speaker 2: her family. The mom is nodding. Benson drops the pregnant news.
Speaker 2: Mom is stunt, looks straight ahead, then her head finally falls.
Speaker 2: Why didn't your son tell you? She looks down more hiding,
Speaker 2: you know, like she's obviously hiding something, and Benson goes,
Speaker 2: whatever you're holding on, that's gone too. We can help you.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't have known. She says, Oh God, I prayed
Speaker 2: for forgiveness. I forgave him. How could this have happened?
Speaker 2: How could he have done this? Benson goes, what'd your
Speaker 2: son do? She goes, not my son, my husband. He
Speaker 2: had an affair for two years with Sylvia, but.
Speaker 4: This guy is done.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my notice this guy is not hot and
Speaker 2: I'm not talking looks like weirdo.
Speaker 4: So my point reiterated.
Speaker 2: Okay, Benson walks into the squadroom with a bounce, because
Speaker 2: I feel whenever, whenever there's an affair, I feel like,
Speaker 2: even the incest one, I'm like that guy's given something.
Speaker 2: Yeah and taboo, what's he has a funky Yooh what's
Speaker 2: his name?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what I mean, like they're bringing up
Speaker 1: they usually have something going on.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Benson walks into the squadroom. She has a
Speaker 2: little bounce, she's got bouts. What I wrote this word swaggert?
Speaker 2: Did you mean just swagger, like a little swagger to
Speaker 2: her step?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: But was it written I feel like.
Speaker 1: Swaggered because I don't think I would have said Benson
Speaker 1: had swagger, like that's not the way I speed, but
Speaker 1: a swagger. I don't think it's a word. I mean,
Speaker 1: braggert is a word I don't know, But okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: So Jimmy swagger, Jimmy Swaggert is an American televangelist.
Speaker 4: Is it something about that?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But then why didn't
Speaker 1: I finish it?
Speaker 4: We're gonna get to the bottom of this mystery. Okay.
Speaker 1: Once he's exposed, the money is gonna stop. So the
Speaker 1: balloon payment put gasoline on the fire, so they got
Speaker 1: to move quickly. So but once all this is exposed,
Speaker 1: the money is going to stop, and then the balloon payment,
Speaker 1: you know, that's gonna put gasoline on the fire.
Speaker 4: They have to move quickly.
Speaker 2: But we need to make sure the mom stays in
Speaker 2: the precinct and doesn't give a heads up to the
Speaker 2: men about all of this in the affair, and they're gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, go ruin their day. So bring them all in,
Speaker 2: separate them, and they can't talk to each other. The
Speaker 2: dad's cocky, and he isn't talking till he his lawyer's there.
Speaker 2: And Benson and Stabler are cocky too though, and they say,
Speaker 2: wait away, babe, your DNA is going to corroborate your
Speaker 2: wife's story.
Speaker 4: He goes, what story.
Speaker 2: Sybil goes, oh, no, we probably shouldn't say anything until
Speaker 2: your lawyer gets here. Window tap much says the brisco
Speaker 2: has something. So basically, the videos aren't time coded, but
Speaker 2: he was using visual cues from the events at the
Speaker 2: hotel to put a timeline together. So evening Friday Girl
Speaker 2: Scout meeting, because you know, that's that's when the Girl
Speaker 2: Scouts meet Friday night.
Speaker 4: They get Friday at a hotel on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: They have a couple of martinis at the bar, they
Speaker 1: talk cookie sales, and then sometimes they get a room,
Speaker 1: they do some coke. Who knows what the girl Scouts
Speaker 1: get up to. It's so, oh my god, I would
Speaker 1: on Oh my god, I want to samoa cookie so
Speaker 1: bad right now? Oh man, Okay, So anyways, and then
Speaker 1: Sunday morning there was a Cardiolist just convention, and so
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon wedding guests were arriving. So Sunday morning Cardioalis
Speaker 1: conventions were checking out. Sunday afternoon wedding guests were arriving
Speaker 1: for that Sunday night wedding. And there were welcome baskets
Speaker 1: at the desk, and they have bottles, and there was
Speaker 1: little maker's mark, and so they're like, okay, could you
Speaker 1: just shut the.
Speaker 2: Fuck up, like stop talking, can get to it. And
Speaker 2: so now look at this. So he says, this guy
Speaker 2: was on the elevator Sunday between four and six. Stabler
Speaker 2: makes eyes at Benson and next to him is a
Speaker 2: guy with a bottle of the Little Maker's Mark, which
Speaker 2: means this is Sunday afternoon, and Brisco is sure it's
Speaker 2: the sun. He's there. He's not in Baltimore, remember that
Speaker 2: little lie. You know that he but he used his
Speaker 2: credit card to buy the eleven am Baltimore Express train,
Speaker 2: so he you know, he was coming up for the investigation.
Speaker 4: Bitch was there.
Speaker 2: There's a atm witchdrawal at Times Square Chase, Manhattan, Sunday
Speaker 2: night at ten fifty three pm. We get him entering
Speaker 2: the lobby. There's photos in the elevator. Munch walks across
Speaker 2: the team and says, good liars don't necessarily make good killers. Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: walk and talk alone. I liked it, and basically we
Speaker 2: know he did it because it's like you fucking lied
Speaker 2: and you were in the hotel at the time of
Speaker 2: the murder and not in Baltimore. But also, why didn't
Speaker 2: he get out of the country, Like why are you
Speaker 2: so close to the cops? Go showing up to the
Speaker 2: precinct ready to chit chat, like honey, go to Cuba.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I really don't understand. They probably you know,
Speaker 2: they don't pay saxes their church. Get on the plane.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they have a prayer. Yeah, get the fuck
Speaker 2: out of here. No, I wanted to serve his time.
Speaker 2: So this ada he's really fucking hot. His name is
Speaker 2: John Benjamin Hickey, and he's been on Watch What Happens
Speaker 2: Live multiple times and also he's in like a few episodes.
Speaker 2: So he's this guy in a few season ones, and
Speaker 2: then in season fifteen he's in Wednesday's Child. You remember
Speaker 2: the wife got rid of their kid that they adopted
Speaker 2: in Russia. He's the father and a wife sends the
Speaker 2: kid to a pedophile.
Speaker 4: Right random that.
Speaker 1: There's just like a different eightya, Like, he's in a
Speaker 1: bunch of s views or No. Two two in season one,
Speaker 1: and then back in fifteen for a different character. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh nocturn, the one where the piano played with the
Speaker 1: piano teacher.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So I like this guy, and but we also have
Speaker 2: to figure out is this sex or rape before the death,
Speaker 2: so we get the DNA results. This guy says, wow, okay,
Speaker 2: old testament. I want both of them. So Craigan says,
Speaker 2: we need them to turn on each other and put
Speaker 2: two cats in the same bag. Let them work it out.
Speaker 2: So we're in cement room bars double duty, Daddy's son
Speaker 2: and Craigan's having some fun, some interrogation on.
Speaker 4: There's a lawyer there as well.
Speaker 2: Both dad and lawyer keep talking to Craigan and is like, hey, son,
Speaker 2: do you ever talk for yourself? And he says, I
Speaker 2: don't know. And he says it's a tale of two cities.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's the right. Isn't it that
Speaker 2: about the French Revolution? Like two cities? I don't know
Speaker 2: what it's about. I did in high school. I did,
Speaker 2: I did read it, but where I lied and said
Speaker 2: I did it? But I remember the projects that went
Speaker 2: along with the tail of the cities, and I don't
Speaker 2: understand the reference here with Craign, And maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but uh so they're trying to, like, you know, have
Speaker 2: them turn on each other's slip. Where were you Baltimore?
Speaker 4: You're a liar? What's going on?
Speaker 2: He goes, no, My dad said it's a tragedy. And
Speaker 2: I came back. We know he's lying. So Craign opens
Speaker 2: the door and summons Jeffrey's and she has the lab results.
Speaker 2: Your wife's throttled neck and a piece of skin from
Speaker 2: under your fingernail.
Speaker 4: When did they swab under his fingernails? I don't know.
Speaker 1: This gave me a little bit of pause when I
Speaker 1: was watching. You know, I'm always looking for holes.
Speaker 2: I know, but I wonder if they did it right away,
Speaker 2: don't You're right, You're right, I don't get it. A
Speaker 2: piece of skin from under your fingernails was still there,
Speaker 2: and the throttle neck whatever, it's a perfect match. Before
Speaker 2: you can speak, the lawyer goes, not another word, and
Speaker 2: then Jeffrey says, well, these are DNA results from the
Speaker 2: semen found in her, and it's a match. And he's like,
Speaker 2: wait what, and the dad pipes up, this is a
Speaker 2: complete and total invasion of privacy and Craigan goes, sure,
Speaker 2: blame the messenger, and Craigan continues, detective, does the sperm
Speaker 2: DNA match that of Ben Junior? No, sir, She drops
Speaker 2: down the file. A son says, what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on here? He seems truly confused, and Craigan goes,
Speaker 2: ask your father, it's his sperm as he sits down seductively,
Speaker 2: and then the son goes, my father's he's grow stout
Speaker 2: as fuck, and then he realizes the dad won't even
Speaker 2: look at him. He's like staring off in the distance,
Speaker 2: and the son goes you and the dad's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: He's like, let's talk in private, but the son is
Speaker 2: just really hurt. And Craigan goes, does you know, hey, son,
Speaker 2: you want to make a statement And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been suspicious for some time and when this trip
Speaker 2: came up, I could just he couldn't stand it any longer,
Speaker 2: so he took a train ticket. He got to the hotel,
Speaker 2: he knocks down the hotel room door like knock knock,
Speaker 2: knock knock. He said he felt like such an idiot.
Speaker 2: It took five minutes to open the door. And she
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I've been sleeping, and he goes with
Speaker 2: who and he wanted to know? She laughed and that
Speaker 2: said like, oh, you're paranoid. She's told him the thought
Speaker 2: of her cheating was the first original thought he'd ever had,
Speaker 2: and she goes that was her favorite put down, Like
Speaker 2: the only job I could get is the one at
Speaker 2: my daddy's college. And the dad is just staring at him,
Speaker 2: and the son says that he just lost it. He
Speaker 2: grabbed her shoulder and wanted to shake sense into her,
Speaker 2: and then she went limp and she wanted to be punished. Okay,
Speaker 2: So he's sobbing and he put hands on her neck
Speaker 2: and started to choke her, and he's fully crying now,
Speaker 2: and Craigan says, we can finish this later. And on
Speaker 2: the way out, he speaks to the dad, you always
Speaker 2: had to make things right to think. I came to
Speaker 2: you to fix this, and he keeps looking forward and
Speaker 2: the mom is outside the door, and you know, she
Speaker 2: hugs her son and how are they just letting him
Speaker 2: go though? Or maybe they're like waiting for him in
Speaker 2: the precinct to arrest him. Where's he going? So then
Speaker 2: they let the mom go in to see her husband,
Speaker 2: and Craigan says she had more to do with this
Speaker 2: than you think, and he says no. She says, are
Speaker 2: you protecting me from the truth? How thoughtful of you?
Speaker 2: How Christian? That's why you made up that robbery story
Speaker 2: to cover up what you'd done. And the dad, you know,
Speaker 2: is like, oh, this is all ludaicris and she says, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it was to make sure Ben didn't know she
Speaker 2: was pregnant. What are you talking about? And so they
Speaker 2: dropped the DNA on the table. He looks up. He's
Speaker 2: annoyed and livid, and she goes, what were you gonna
Speaker 2: call your son?
Speaker 4: Ben the third.
Speaker 2: He says, that's just the grief talking, and she screams, no,
Speaker 2: it's me talking. A lifetime of grief and two years
Speaker 2: watching my husband soon to be ex fornicating with my
Speaker 2: son's wife.
Speaker 4: He stands up slowly.
Speaker 2: Sharon fathering his own grandchild, she says, and then she
Speaker 2: walks off, and Craigan and him are left in crument
Speaker 2: room bars and he sits back down.
Speaker 1: And that's stickwolf baby, damn. This is surprisingly close to
Speaker 1: what happened. I mean, a big twist. That's different. But
Speaker 1: let's get yeah this real life style. Let me take
Speaker 1: you to Hillsdale College, a small conservative Christian college in Hillsdale, Michigan,
Speaker 1: which is about eighty five miles from Detroit. So, starting
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, George Charles Roche the third became
Speaker 1: the eleventh president of Hillsdale. He really located to Michigan
Speaker 1: to take the job with his wife, June, and their
Speaker 1: four children. He had a PhD from the University of Colorado.
Speaker 1: He worked as a professor at Colorado School of Mines
Speaker 1: before taking the helmet Hillsdale, and during his tenure as president,
Speaker 1: both Roche and Hillsdale become well known figures in the
Speaker 1: conservative world. Like their big conservatives. The college flourishes under
Speaker 1: his leadership. The seminar program gets started, the school's speech
Speaker 1: digest gets started, which is it seems like the speech
Speaker 1: digestice kind of like magazine or whatever. And it has
Speaker 1: like a huge circulation for a college publication. And he
Speaker 1: got their endowment from four million to one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two million. So he also has a gift for
Speaker 1: corporate giving, I think. So he wrote a bunch of books,
Speaker 1: Legacy of Freedom, The Bewildered Society, the Book of Heroes.
Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty four, Ronald Reagan made.
Speaker 1: Me, merch what a gift for corporate giving's really getting
Speaker 1: me today? Yeah. In nineteen eighty four, Reagan makes Roche
Speaker 1: the chairman of the National Council on Educational Research, So
Speaker 1: he's in there with Reagan. The college has this reputation
Speaker 1: as a haven of conservative family values, and the Weekly
Speaker 1: Standard called Broche a hero to the movement, and I
Speaker 1: actually looked it up, and this college is like in
Speaker 1: the top fifty liberal arts colleges. Like I'd say it's
Speaker 1: probably one of the only religious schools that is that
Speaker 1: high up.
Speaker 4: And they don't take any federal money.
Speaker 1: They're all based on their endowment and donations and tuition
Speaker 1: and they don't take federal money so that they don't
Speaker 1: have to do Title nine or any of the stuff
Speaker 1: that you know, any of that DEI.
Speaker 4: Bullshit, right.
Speaker 1: So this guy is bringing his dale, Hillsdale, to the
Speaker 1: top of the market, and working closely alongside him is
Speaker 1: his daughter in law, Lisa Roche, and her name is
Speaker 1: spelled Lissa but is pronounced Lisa, and the wife of
Speaker 1: his son, George c. Roche, the fourth who goes by Ivy,
Speaker 1: which is Ivy, like four, the Roman numeral four. Like
Speaker 1: everyone calls him Ivy because he's.
Speaker 4: The fourth one. Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So Lisa is instrumental in helping the elder
Speaker 1: Roche put Hillsdale on the map.
Speaker 4: They work closely together.
Speaker 1: She knows all the ins and outs and key players
Speaker 1: of the conservative world. She did research for his books,
Speaker 1: his speeches, etc. She apparently like came to Hillsdale and
Speaker 1: immediately was like, oh my god, the president of the
Speaker 1: school is so amazing and then kind of put her
Speaker 1: hooks into the sun.
Speaker 4: Because of that.
Speaker 1: So according to Vanity Fair, which did a big article
Speaker 1: about this, which is going to be a source throughout,
Speaker 1: George Roche was very stalin, like he demanded loyalty, and
Speaker 1: he fired people that disagreed with him and crossed him.
Speaker 1: And no one was more fiercely loyal to him than
Speaker 1: his daughter in law Lisa. While her husband Ivy could
Speaker 1: not really find a place to fit in at Hillsdale
Speaker 1: and he was often like relegated to his father's shadow,
Speaker 1: Lisa fit right in. She and George quote shared a
Speaker 1: consuming passion for the college and its ideological mission end
Speaker 1: quote what a bunch of fucking losers. Like you're so
Speaker 1: passionate about Christian College, Like I can't. But friends said
Speaker 1: she was deeply unhappy and mean underneath all of this
Speaker 1: Christian love, like he's giving big Caroline leave it energy,
Speaker 1: you know, like obsessed with like the college and the mission,
Speaker 1: but like underneath the smile and like the weird blonde
Speaker 1: is like she won't let anyone say a fucking bad
Speaker 1: word about Roche Senior, but she puts down her husband
Speaker 1: like like she can be really mean. Like somebody told
Speaker 1: a story about how they were at this party and
Speaker 1: a like at this cocktail party at the presidential mansion
Speaker 1: at the college, and this one woman gave a speech
Speaker 1: about her husband had just recently suddenly died, and she
Speaker 1: gave this speech, and this other woman who had recently
Speaker 1: lost someone was crying because she was moved by the speech.
Speaker 1: And Lisa came out behind her room was like, oh please,
Speaker 1: you didn't even know him, Like you don't even know
Speaker 1: the guy who died. Like she's like a meanie, Like
Speaker 1: she's got like evil energy underneath. And so in August
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety eight, big shift happens where Roche suddenly
Speaker 1: leaves his wife of forty four years, June, and he
Speaker 1: exiles her from the twenty eight room presidential mansion that
Speaker 1: they are that they live in together. Because he had
Speaker 1: diabetes and he needed help with like insulin reactions and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, he invited his eldest son, George, and
Speaker 1: Lisa and their family to move in with him. Lisa
Speaker 1: was pumped. This cemented her even further as the face
Speaker 1: of Hillsdale because the mansion would host these massive parties
Speaker 1: Reagan would be at these parties sometimes, Margaret Thatcher, George H. W. Bush,
Speaker 1: like all these big conservative Republican figureheads would come to
Speaker 1: these parties, and she's like, oh my god, now I'm
Speaker 1: the first lady of the manor technically, you know, even
Speaker 1: though she's married to the son. So this woman is
Speaker 1: forty years old, she's the lady of the manor, and
Speaker 1: in a classic Republican nightmare fashion, she starts a huge
Speaker 1: renovation project Alfals mansion of course, but sadly her reign
Speaker 1: sadly for her, I'm welcome this bitch up. Her reign
Speaker 1: as Queen of Hillsdale did not lie long. A year later,
Speaker 1: in September of nineteen ninety nine, only four months after
Speaker 1: his divorce from June had officially been finalized, which was
Speaker 1: in April of ninety nine, George Roche got remarried to
Speaker 1: a woman named Dean Hagen, who was some nurse from
Speaker 1: Louisville who he'd met years earlier on the lecture circuit.
Speaker 1: So now Dean moves into the mansion and George kicks
Speaker 1: Ivy and Lisa and their twenty year old son, George
Speaker 1: the Fifth out. Lisa is distraught okay, But then this
Speaker 1: is in September of ninety nine. Then October fifteenth, Lisa
Speaker 1: is at home when apparently Roche Senior shows up to
Speaker 1: tell her that he was going to dump his new
Speaker 1: wife and he allegedly asked her and Ivy to move
Speaker 1: back into Broadlawn, which is the name of the presidential mansion.
Speaker 4: Lisa is thrilled. She runs to.
Speaker 1: Tell Ivy at his racketball practice.
Speaker 4: She's like, Babe, we're back in. She's so excited.
Speaker 1: He's probably like, I don't really care about living with
Speaker 1: my dad. So then a day goes by, very early
Speaker 1: in the morning on Sunday, October seventeenth of nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: Ivy gets a call that his dad is having an
Speaker 1: insolent reaction, which apparently this kind of thing happens to
Speaker 1: him like a few times a year, like, and so
Speaker 1: he calls nine to one one.
Speaker 4: He goes to the hospital with him.
Speaker 1: When he gets home, he's filling Lisa in on what
Speaker 1: happened and mentions, oh, by the way, Dad's new wife
Speaker 1: was there and everything seemed good. So he goes by
Speaker 1: the way, it looks like dad and new wife have reconciled.
Speaker 4: Lisa flips out.
Speaker 1: She apparently says oh shit, oh no, and runs off
Speaker 1: to the hospital, where apparently the new wife quickly kicked
Speaker 1: her out of the hospital room. So then she comes
Speaker 1: home and sends Ivy out on an errand while he's gone,
Speaker 1: she takes a revolver out of her husband's gun collection.
Speaker 1: She walks to this picturesque gazebo that's nearby, and she
Speaker 1: shoots herself, whoa. Ivy returns minutes later to find her
Speaker 1: lying there dead in a pool of blood, wearing Hillsdale
Speaker 1: College shorts and ll Beean sneakers.
Speaker 4: He calls nine to one one.
Speaker 1: He later spoke to authorities at length, and everyone is
Speaker 1: very surprised by how cold he is, Like he never cried.
Speaker 1: He's like he called his racketball partner and said, Lisa
Speaker 1: shot herself.
Speaker 4: She has died.
Speaker 1: Like He's just very and listen, we can't nobody reacts.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants everybody to react a certain way to death
Speaker 1: and to tragedy and stuff. So I can't blame the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was probably until at least she was
Speaker 1: probably mentally torturing him for years, being super mean to him.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Lisa didn't just take her life
Speaker 1: because she got kicked out of the presidential mansion hours
Speaker 1: before she took her life. She stood in her father
Speaker 1: in law's hospital room where he was being treated for
Speaker 1: this insolent issue, and told her husband that she had
Speaker 1: been having an affair with his father for nineteen years.
Speaker 1: And don't worry, George's wife of one month is right
Speaker 1: there when this confession is being made. So, according to
Speaker 1: an interview that Ivy gave to the National Reom, you
Speaker 1: he asked his father, is she telling the truth or
Speaker 1: is she having some sort of breakdown? And Ivy said
Speaker 1: his father didn't say a word, but he says, quote,
Speaker 1: I could tell by looking at him that she was
Speaker 1: telling the truth.
Speaker 4: I saw the look in his eyes. He was caught
Speaker 4: end quote.
Speaker 1: So after Lisa's death, Ivy waited for some kind of
Speaker 1: consolation or apology from his dad, which duh, never came.
Speaker 1: These kind of men don't apologize. And he actually just
Speaker 1: jetted off to Hawaii on a belated honeymoon with Dean,
Speaker 1: his new wife, right after.
Speaker 4: Lisa's funeral, because you got to smooth that over with her.
Speaker 1: By the way, my daughter in La, I've been fucking
Speaker 1: for nineteen years and she did just take her own
Speaker 1: life because I married you. Ivy told one of the
Speaker 1: higher ups at the college about his dead wife's allegation,
Speaker 1: and knowing what a pr disaster that would be for
Speaker 1: a Christian conservative college, they quickly suspended Roche, and ten
Speaker 1: days later he resigned on November tenth, nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: not saying what happened. He denied Lisa's allegations, and I
Speaker 1: don't think he did any kind of formal statement like
Speaker 1: acknowledging the scandal in his resignation. He just said, quote,
Speaker 1: we have proved that integrity, values, and courage can still
Speaker 1: triumph in a corrupt world.
Speaker 4: What are you literally talking about?
Speaker 1: Like you're like the poster boy for bad values and
Speaker 1: corruption right now. And so, after twenty eight years of
Speaker 1: helping Hillsdale have their big glow up, this sixty four
Speaker 1: year old Roche was out, and he dropped out of
Speaker 1: public sight and as of January two thousand, nobody even
Speaker 1: knew where he was. Like a year later, no one
Speaker 1: knew where George Roche was. Meanwhile, the scandal becomes national news. Okay,
Speaker 1: no one is surprised to hear about this affair. They say,
Speaker 1: Lisa and George's relationship was unusually intense. She was horrible
Speaker 1: to her mother in law June, like she was like
Speaker 1: and because of that, and George the husband, was also
Speaker 1: horrible to June, the mother in law, like she the
Speaker 1: mother in law. June said, you know, there were two
Speaker 1: sides to him. There was like nice Georgia, and there
Speaker 1: was mean George, and she was like as their marriage
Speaker 1: went on, she was just getting more and more mean George.
Speaker 1: So apparently Lisa was also so awful to Ivy. Like
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, she was often belittling him, calling him
Speaker 1: a loser. She would tell people how as a teen,
Speaker 1: like as a freshman, she was attracted to George Roche,
Speaker 1: but she said, quote, knowing he was married, I came
Speaker 1: to Hillsdale and settled for his son.
Speaker 4: End quote.
Speaker 1: So one of Lisa's friends recalls her telling that story
Speaker 1: on two separate occasions, and the friend says, Ivy was
Speaker 1: there both times she said it. He didn't crack a smile,
Speaker 1: He just sat there and took it. She said, it
Speaker 1: was so awkward. It was like one of those she said, quote,
Speaker 1: one of those moments where you look at your shoes.
Speaker 1: Students were torn of course. Of course, everybody's always torn
Speaker 1: after something like this comes out, Like, yes, maybe Trump
Speaker 1: is in the Epstein files, but it's not for what
Speaker 1: you think, you know.
Speaker 4: Like, so the students are torn.
Speaker 1: Some of them are like, you know, men are fallible,
Speaker 1: and some of them are like, no, he's a hypocrite
Speaker 1: who betrayed the values that he and the college purported
Speaker 1: to stand for. So, you know, but a lot of
Speaker 1: students and their families, I mean, the higher ups are
Speaker 1: just only worried about donations. They're only worried that this
Speaker 1: is going to fuck with their donations. And then students
Speaker 1: and their families are worried that this scandal is going
Speaker 1: to like mar their degree. Like people are gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you went to that like freaky Christian Hillsdale College where
Speaker 1: the dean was fucking his daughter in law for two decades. Practically,
Speaker 1: others worried that the scandal would, like I said, cause
Speaker 1: a ding in donations. They rely on the fundraising because
Speaker 1: they refuse federal education money in order to avoid being
Speaker 1: bound by federal rules on Affirmative Action, Title nine, sports spending,
Speaker 1: and other matters. Melinda von Sidao, whose husband taught music
Speaker 1: at Hillsdale for decades, told Vanity Fair. Quote, when Lisa
Speaker 1: Roche killed herself, I said to a colleague, this will
Speaker 1: topple the king. Her suicide was a revenge suicide of
Speaker 1: violent and in a public place, in a temple like structure,
Speaker 1: and in broad daylight. She designed her death to destroy
Speaker 1: George Roche end quote. Yeah, I mean she's obsessed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they were working so close together. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna leave my wife for you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave my way, you know. But like at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like she has a son with your son,
Speaker 1: you know, like you do have like an adult son.
Speaker 1: After the scandal, Roche apparently eventually moved to a remote
Speaker 1: cabin in Colorado, and he died on May fifth, two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, like six years later, in Louisville, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: which is where his second wife is from. So I
Speaker 1: wonder if they just went back there and he called
Speaker 1: it quits. But that's the story. So I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of it was really close to the episode
Speaker 1: where you know, they're trying to be all moral and
Speaker 1: this is about.
Speaker 4: God and Jesus and this and that, and it's like yeah.
Speaker 2: They did the casting. Well, I mean it's it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 1: Well, the guy like that plays roche like younger was
Speaker 1: like more handsome, Like you could kind of see why
Speaker 1: people were like in old photos of him, he looks
Speaker 1: like a sort of handsome Republican looking dude, you know,
Speaker 1: when he's younger. In the one picture that comes up
Speaker 1: when you first google him, he kind of looks like
Speaker 1: Steve Carell from the Office. But I agree the guy
Speaker 1: from the episode was not really moving anything from moving
Speaker 1: the needle for me, but uh yeah, they're.
Speaker 2: Just you're right, it's so that Levitt woman, Yeah, just
Speaker 2: like wanting in to this institution that like is based
Speaker 2: on your subjugation.
Speaker 1: Totally, and it's like she yeah and she was probably
Speaker 1: like but people said she did a lot of his
Speaker 1: ghost writing. She wrote speeches for him, like she was
Speaker 1: super important to his operation, and whether or not he
Speaker 1: was had feelings for her, he kept this affair up,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but in the show it's two years.
Speaker 1: In reality, they said it's nineteen years. Like since she was.
Speaker 2: She's a psycho, like moving people in and out of
Speaker 2: this mansion on Whims.
Speaker 4: It's like so weird. Vindictive, creep creepy creep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they and like the National Review and a
Speaker 1: bunch of like places talk to like a lot of
Speaker 1: professors that like they talk to in the episode, people
Speaker 1: that acted that he acts just because they disagreed with him,
Speaker 1: and stuff like when that it's crazy, this is a
Speaker 1: season one episode. And that guy's like, yeah, the Origin
Speaker 1: of species is when I had to bounce when they
Speaker 1: got rid of the Origin of species. And here we
Speaker 1: are twenty five years later, and we're getting rid of
Speaker 1: books about evolution, We're getting rid of books about slavery.
Speaker 1: We're let you know, this show a fucking fortune teller like.
Speaker 4: Never learns, no one ever, yeah turns. But no guests
Speaker 4: on this one.
Speaker 1: So let's just dive right into that postpartum baby. I
Speaker 1: liked doing this episode Misleader season one. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like going back to the oldies where I sort of
Speaker 1: I know I've seen it like three times four times,
Speaker 1: but like I forget a little.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it's already it's already out of my head.
Speaker 1: I'll watch it right now and not know what happens
Speaker 1: that I remember that man's mustache.
Speaker 4: That's uh, that's for sure. Just the guy that they cast.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to judge people's looks, but it's like,
Speaker 1: this is not the man to throw your whole life
Speaker 1: away for.
Speaker 4: But that's no.
Speaker 2: Crime too, fun, Like, we're not even talking physical appearance.
Speaker 2: Like if this dude, you know, made cool, I don't
Speaker 2: know resin puppet.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't even know. We wouldn't like that either.
Speaker 1: That's what you're leaving your family, but you're throwing it
Speaker 1: all away for the Resin puppet guy.
Speaker 4: It's not this guy.
Speaker 2: But if this guy was a fun chef or like
Speaker 2: fought for civil rights, it'd be one thing. But he's
Speaker 2: also like this conservative Christian kind of hypocrite stealing money,
Speaker 2: like you know, he also has all these bad qualities
Speaker 2: that make him gross, because if he just had a
Speaker 2: little flare, we might all want to fuck him.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, and it's all men are foul a.
Speaker 1: You know, it's men or it's they're human.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then they.
Speaker 2: Watched this like upsetting wife just like sitting there like
Speaker 2: always always bored in the corner is knowing this dude
Speaker 2: is the worst.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Stop impregnating your son's lovers, Like, do we have ways
Speaker 2: to get that not to happen. That's like the biggest
Speaker 2: advice I have for as few families, like stop fucking
Speaker 2: your kids' spouses.
Speaker 4: Jesus, you're lucky.
Speaker 1: What didn't you You're lucky one of you didn't end
Speaker 1: up falling off of a fucking a hug that turns
Speaker 1: into a dive off of a building like in trade.
Speaker 4: But listen, this case was crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, this happened all while I was like
Speaker 1: about to go to college what like, and uh definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't looking at Hillsdale as a possible college, but I
Speaker 1: was very interested. It's just it is crazy to me,
Speaker 1: so many years later, all this kind of shit still
Speaker 1: goes on, these airline leave it types that are like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the best, Like even though they they
Speaker 1: have so much many regressive ideas about women and women's
Speaker 1: role in the family, there's always these women at the
Speaker 1: head of it that are like the Serena from Oh
Speaker 1: my God, I'm So Sorry, the Serena from Handmaid's Tailed Energy,
Speaker 1: where it's like you're gonna tell all the women how
Speaker 1: to live, but you're gonna be the figurehead. Like all
Speaker 1: I'm constantly they all get all of these motherfuckers, like
Speaker 1: the guy that's the real life dugger head cult guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, single single pedophile telling everyone to get married
Speaker 1: and have kids. I'm thinking about all the the the
Speaker 1: women right wingers who are like, yeah, the chod works
Speaker 1: and go home and god lives that say don't work,
Speaker 1: but then make millions of dollars or thousand, hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousand of dollars on Instagram telling people not to work
Speaker 1: like that you're working, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like are you even a virgin?
Speaker 2: I just I get if you're abused, like wanting power
Speaker 2: to go towards power, but it's like we really need
Speaker 2: to break the cycle. Yeah, yeah, this whole like that's
Speaker 2: why old school, like these men are lame.
Speaker 4: Get them out of our lives, and the women because they.
Speaker 2: Become more evil because they're trying to suck up to
Speaker 2: a man who'll never respect them. Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like the Serene. I don't watch Handmaid's Tails, so
Speaker 2: tell me if I'm fully off. But it's like you're
Speaker 2: trying to earn the respect and love of this person
Speaker 2: who doesn't see you as humans. So then you're like
Speaker 2: being awful to your people for a person.
Speaker 1: Who'll never they don't care. Yeah, they'll never choose you.
Speaker 1: They're never gonna pick you.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's all very upseting. I mean, i've known.
Speaker 4: Are they any more anti religious podcasts than us? I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't have a number one anti religion
Speaker 4: Merry Christmas everyone. Well, No, it's like.
Speaker 1: It's like, I respect anybody that wants to have religion
Speaker 1: in their life in a way that it doesn't affect
Speaker 1: it doesn't get forced on other people. If religion gives
Speaker 1: you hope and makes you help other people, wonderful. I
Speaker 1: just don't want it to be forced on other people.
Speaker 1: And I don't want it in our government. And I'm
Speaker 1: so sick of people calling this a Christian nation when it's.
Speaker 2: Not, and making women feel inferior in themselves. Like to
Speaker 2: call yourself a rib is crazy, Yes, Like to think
Speaker 2: that you're not a full human with wants and needs
Speaker 2: and passions that you have to like succumb to the
Speaker 2: needs of someone else.
Speaker 4: I don't get that. I don't get that. I don't
Speaker 4: know why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the thing that I have, I said this
Speaker 2: on this pod before, like all these crowd wise like
Speaker 2: maybe they have a kink and they just don't get it,
Speaker 2: Like I think they might be just subs and sex
Speaker 2: and I'm like, if you're getting off on it, I'm
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 4: But if you're just like iron and if it's just
Speaker 4: what you want, it's like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: They they're like, what's so bad about promoting the family
Speaker 1: and being a mom? It's like nothing, nothing, I have nothing,
Speaker 1: no problem with it. I have a problem with you
Speaker 1: like going on and being like this is where we
Speaker 1: all belong.
Speaker 4: Well, I actually have an.
Speaker 2: All problem because if you're having and then you're making
Speaker 2: them cook and set the table and do all these
Speaker 2: things and raising them in this way and giving your
Speaker 2: boys freedom, that's.
Speaker 4: A problem for me.
Speaker 2: Like, well, right, you could choose to be a mother, yeah,
Speaker 2: and stay at home and do all that, but I
Speaker 2: don't trust you cannot. I don't think it's fair to
Speaker 2: force that on a girl, or like, oh, we need
Speaker 2: an daughter so she could take care of these other kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like plenty of us grew up with
Speaker 1: stay at home moms. Not me, but like other people
Speaker 1: grew up with stay at home moms and then they
Speaker 1: went on to become doctors and lawyers.
Speaker 4: So it's not like just because you choose.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's what you force on your kids,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean you know it shouldn't be. That's
Speaker 1: where I also have a problem, you know, like you
Speaker 1: can just be like, for me, I've never been into
Speaker 1: the rat race. I've never been into going into an
Speaker 1: office and working and.
Speaker 4: That's not for me.
Speaker 1: My whole life is about having my kids and cooking
Speaker 1: and that's what I want to do.
Speaker 4: But you better be.
Speaker 1: Raising your kids to know that they have the option
Speaker 1: to go do be astronauts if they fucking want, you know.
Speaker 4: Now, And that's that's the thing. It's like wanting to do.
Speaker 2: That's incredible, But if it's indoctrinating, and like, how much
Speaker 2: freedom do you have? And if you leave this lifestyle,
Speaker 2: will your parents still like you or not? Like is
Speaker 2: it full rejection if you don't want to do that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: But also we have to be checking our bias. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not a parent, but you have to check your
Speaker 2: own biases constantly to make sure you're like, are you
Speaker 2: making sure that the boys set the table too? Are
Speaker 2: you making sure that like the boys are being respectful
Speaker 2: of their bodies and selves in junior high? That there
Speaker 2: are virginities tied to their worth, you know, like, but
Speaker 2: you're but also you have a kid, you think you
Speaker 2: know best. Of course you want to raise your kids
Speaker 2: to feel the way you know. I don't know, it
Speaker 2: seems complicated. It seems really hard to let your kid
Speaker 2: be the human that they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when yeah, you have to check yourself a lot
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: Of course, as a parent, I understand the thing of like, no,
Speaker 2: like what I like, do what I'm.
Speaker 4: Doing, you don't like me?
Speaker 1: It's great, So I understand that instinct. But it's like
Speaker 1: kids are individuals. Yeah, and I don't know. That's the
Speaker 1: whole thing is, like, I don't think I'm I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell anybody to do anything. And
Speaker 1: that's like what is annoying to me about that side
Speaker 1: of the aisle is that not only do they want
Speaker 1: to do something, but they want everyone else to do
Speaker 1: it too. And I feel like that just makes me
Speaker 1: hate it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why am I not like that?
Speaker 2: I don't want any of these things, and I would
Speaker 2: never take it away from others. Yeah, unless you don't
Speaker 2: let your daughter have an abortion and she wants it
Speaker 2: and I'll help her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will get if you give her my personal number,
Speaker 1: I'm taking her, all right?
Speaker 4: Should we move into you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I don't know if people could keep listening to our podcast.
Speaker 2: I feel like I beat a dead horse of the
Speaker 2: same six opinions every day.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's frustrated and hopefully and most of them
Speaker 1: write us and tell us like it helps me get
Speaker 1: through the day that you guys feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I look, Look, if we're still doing this podcast in
Speaker 1: ten years, hopefully there'll be a better outlook. We'll all
Speaker 1: be like, isn't it great that everything's working perfectly and
Speaker 1: we're practically a socialist society? But we'll see. I don't
Speaker 1: have high hopes for that. Okay, let's get into our
Speaker 1: what would Sister Peg do? This is our This is
Speaker 1: as religious as we get, as religious as we get
Speaker 1: is what would Sister Peg do? This? None who helps
Speaker 1: sex workers on a fictional nun. There's our segment where
Speaker 1: we direct you to an organization, an article, a book,
Speaker 1: a movie, something to give you more information about what
Speaker 1: we talked about today, and listen. There's not really it's
Speaker 1: a season one. I wouldn't say that there's any charities
Speaker 1: I can point you to for people that are accidentally
Speaker 1: sleeping with their father in law to try to get
Speaker 1: gain notoriety in the Christian right. So what we're doing
Speaker 1: this week is we're gonna point you to Toys for Tots.
Speaker 1: It's the holiday season. Lisa and I are both big
Speaker 1: fans of getting kids toys for Christmas that need it.
Speaker 1: We've done that at some of our live shows before,
Speaker 1: had people bring toys. So the goal of Toys for
Speaker 1: Tots is to help bring the joy of Christmas and
Speaker 1: send a message of hope to America's economically disadvantaged children
Speaker 1: through the gift of a toy. This year is it
Speaker 1: has been so hard for so many people. I think
Speaker 1: even getting food on the table has been a challenge
Speaker 1: for so many people. So if we can help get
Speaker 1: toys to kids so that they can just have a
Speaker 1: little bit of holiday joy, how can we not do that.
Speaker 1: Let's get these toys to kids during the holiday season.
Speaker 1: So to donate, find out how you can host your
Speaker 1: own toy drive or to find your local chapter. You
Speaker 1: can go to Toysfotts dot org and uh yeah, Toys
Speaker 1: for Tots dot org. That's gonna be in our show
Speaker 1: notes linked and it's gonna be saved as in a
Speaker 1: story the day this episode comes out and saved forever
Speaker 1: in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page, which is
Speaker 1: that s messed up pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people deserve treats, you know, with the conversation with
Speaker 2: Snap earlier in the year, you know, a few months
Speaker 2: ago or last month where it's like eat beef and rice,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I don't know, do you want a
Speaker 2: kid to have a cake or fun? And that's why
Speaker 2: I think toys for tots it's like obviously essentials. But
Speaker 2: I felt that way with the fire when I saw
Speaker 2: someone donate all these squash mollows, like, yeah, you know
Speaker 2: there's more I want kids have, whimsy because I just did.
Speaker 2: I just I sent a bunch of food for food
Speaker 2: drives last month and I was picking like fruit roll
Speaker 2: ups and gushers and microwave popcorn and red pepper flakes
Speaker 2: and like fun stuff because people deserve fun. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if you can do some toys for tots, yeah, and
Speaker 2: heal your inner.
Speaker 4: Child, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But brand name barbies are like twelve dollars, Like you
Speaker 1: can get really cool brand names and action figures of
Speaker 1: popular characters for not a lot of money. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: that's not a lot for you, no no pressure. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like you can really make a kid's
Speaker 1: streams come true. Whatever, Yeah, start a little drive at
Speaker 1: your work. Let's get some joy in this holiday. I
Speaker 1: just just have a full on shopping addiction. And that
Speaker 1: is true, and so like, yeah, I'll I like loved
Speaker 1: food shopping for people that weren't me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna make the pancakes have fun.
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, look, I had to google.
Speaker 2: What's the best cooking oil because I have no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but because you wanted to be multipurpose. I don't want
Speaker 2: to give someone olive oil with you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I've got I got people vegetable, but I definitely
Speaker 2: have to google it, Like.
Speaker 4: I didn't get oil.
Speaker 1: Is that the same?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It said that was the most like like multipurpose the verse.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Pop Season twelve, Episode eleven. I can't wait for this one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: next week, come watch us. I'm uh, I love our podcasts,
Speaker 2: so thank you, we love it too.
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Speaker 4: Just to tease.
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