WEBVTT - Misleader 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:43.360 These are our stories done done. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.920 Yay, that's messed up? 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.280 An sv podcast. I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.880 And I'm Kara Clank And every week on this podcast 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.479 we unpack an episode of SVU, a true crime. It's 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:45.160 based on sometimes an interview, lots of chatting up top 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.919 and what is today? 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:48.640 Today? 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.720 Is everything's a blurby. It's a wild day of the week, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.200 isn't it. Like I like, someone's building my new website. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.280 Hopefully it's up ready, but I remember him being like, 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.000 it'll be done right before Thanksgiving. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.960 It in my head, I go, jeese, that's forever. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.480 Now it's time and he wants approvals and I was 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.039 like it came so fast because I remember him telling 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.560 me and I was like, wow, it takes that long. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.720 Also another web thing, I'd. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.479 Like to say, I've been doing a lot of Christmas 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:19.080 shopping and I've I gave advice to a bunch of comics, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:20.800 like a bunch of guys who didn't know about it. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.840 But Etsy is the best. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.240 Yes, Like people are sleeping on Etsy and I don't 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:32.120 think they get it. I'm like, truly, any TV show, food, idea, 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.240 move season, you can find a thing about the thing. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.400 So and even if you can't find it, I feel 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.520 like you can find someone who would make it for you, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:41.960 you know, like if you're like, could you do this? 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.479 But make it this like, I bet they will, you know. Yeah, 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:45.240 it's it's just great. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.520 It's vintagey things, like old timey stuff. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:49.960 It's new little craft. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.640 You're right, it's custom because I got one of our 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:58.520 friends a pack of ten matchboxes and each of them 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.720 have photos from the Real Housewives of New York on 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.960 it and I and I bought the ten random pack 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.600 and I wrote to her and I go, hey, girl, 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.000 I needed to be all real Houses of New York. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.400 But I hate Leah. Please don't use that photo. And 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.720 she wrote back being like, oh, I hate Leah too, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.240 And I wrote the Pirate one. I would say, wait one, sorry, 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.360 what'd you write the wife the Pirate? 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.680 It was like the women with the pirates at like 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.480 Turks and Caicos wherever they are, don't be all uncool, 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.400 so like, yeah, even if they have something particular is 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.200 just a girl. The only thing I would say is 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:37.160 the shipping time is long because it's you know, single crafters. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.640 Yes, it's not. I got enterprises. My wedding invitations were 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.040 at sea. Really I saved that. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.240 Yeah, h I found this great galon at SEU did 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.239 my wedding invitations, and I loved charm and she even 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.360 like she made a mistake. She did my programs and 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.240 she made a mistake and she just like redid them 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:54.880 and sent them to me like really quickly. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.400 It was great. She was great. Damn. Yeah, I didn't 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.720 think about that. Mm hmm. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.519 You can do yeah, because like to go to these 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.120 some of these wedding like places that do that professionally, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.400 it's it's way overpriced for something that most people are 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.040 gonna throw into the garbage. Well, yeah, George Stanza killed 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.560 his whole like fiance because of it. Yes, the whole 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:20.240 fiance died. But yeah, no, Etsy's so good. I was 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.560 just thinking about how grateful I am that I don't 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:23.960 have to go to that same party that I had 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.639 to go to last year, where I had to stress 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.640 out so much about the gifts. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.200 And you know what Jared was. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.760 Pointing out he goes, remember how two guys at that 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.200 party gave vibrators and it was like they just gave 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.480 like vibrators out like as their gift. It's like for 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.840 the women at the party, it was just it was 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:48.080 weird and like that's a store bought thing. The whole 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.040 thing about that that dah, you have to remind people 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.600 about this party. This party was like you can't buy 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.760 anything that you could get at a Walmart or Amazon 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:55.720 or a big box store. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.240 And then that was what half the gifts were. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.640 Half the gifts were totally stuffed that you could do 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.640 at the and I was really annoyed because I tried 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.920 really hard to find stuff that wasn't and it was 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.800 like it was it was stressful. But I don't have 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.240 to do it this year. But I'm excited for the holidays. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.200 It's today is December ninth. This is coming out. We're 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.680 in the thick of it, the thick of the holidays. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.440 I'm I've been weirdly getting in the spirit so early, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:21.360 like I well. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.640 We have to because we're recorded. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.760 I mean I just did a friend's podcast Christmas episode 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.200 a week ago and it'll come out. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.120 But we were wearing Christmas gear yeah. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.440 But like literally the second that Halloween was over, I 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.200 was like, should we get our tree? Like I don't 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.560 know why, I was so all I want for I 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.120 think it's you. Immediately, I think it's like the fascist 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.239 I'm looking at comfort concentration camp. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.400 So I think, like, yes, as soon as Halloween was overy, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.719 people were like, get the lights up, get the lights up. Yeah, 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.839 discraption's going, where's the raindeer. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.479 I'm thinking about doing outdoor lights on my house for 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.479 the first time ever, like not in my house, but 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.800 probably just on the fence. I can't figure out how 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.919 to attach a light to a house, but like to 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.080 the fence, you know, like wrap it. I think that 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:09.120 could be cute. And then one of. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.120 My favorite traditions when we were a kid, when I 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.320 was a kid, was driving through the neighborhood that loved 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.400 to decorate. Yeah that's what the Jews did, Like you 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.800 all drive slow in this one neighborhood and the lights 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.800 are so cool. And there was one house where like 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.080 the wind, you know, there's a lot of windows because 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.080 it's a giant house, and it made it look like 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.440 it was one big tree, you know, but it was 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.279 obviously pieces of the tree like an east Yeah, but 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.880 it looked like it was shooting right through people are. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.760 Creating no light. I would say light peeping is still 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.760 a thing. There's like supposedly neighborhoods in LA where you 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.760 can go do that. But I haven't done it with 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.400 my kids, but I wanted to, like every year. I 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.840 don't think I could ever get that crazy. You know what, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.280 did I ever talk about this? So like we were 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.680 raised Jewish, but my mom was like, I still want 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.960 to do Christmas. We culturally did Christmas every year, so 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.320 did my dad, being ra by just like a single 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.600 mom Jewish woman in New York City. He always had 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.840 a tree, he said, but like we've always done Christmas. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:12.479 And then I always wanted those candle lights in your window, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.599 that one candle per window of your house. I thought 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.440 that was the prettiest thing in the world for some 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.880 reason when I was like ten, like I think it's 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.200 in Kevin mckowster's house, like other like do you. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.080 Know what I'm talking about? 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.880 Like there's just one fake candle in every window of 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.240 the house. So when you will look at the house, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.719 every window has one candle on the window sill, and 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.880 it's just I thought it was so beautiful, and I 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.360 would ask my mom and be like, can we just 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:33.720 do that? 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:35.720 Like every year. She'd be like, that's. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.359 Extremely like Christian feeling for a Jewish household. And I 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.919 was like, okay, but like, I don't know why. That 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.840 was always my obsession was doing that. I thought it 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.200 was classy and gorgeous. Why don't you do it? I 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.040 I had candles in the windows. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.080 Now get the candles in be the Christian household you've 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:56.719 always wanted. 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.599 It's such an East Coast thing. I feel like it's 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.760 like with multiple stories, you know what I mean? Like 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.480 everybody in La has just like a one story house. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.279 I don't know that anyone knows, like what's either or 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.400 white lights or rainbow. 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.560 I'm a white light. What about you're saying that? Like 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.320 me too? Your color? Oh you're white? Okay? Yeah? 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.800 Even though white colors, I like a uniformed cheek. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.720 Yes, I like that's my thing. That's my thing is 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.280 I like colors, but not with lights. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:26.680 With lights. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.000 My kids are like, can we get can we get 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.440 colored lights? I'm like, no, we're getting white lights. If 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.720 we're getting them, I'm trying to figure out where to 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:39.280 get my white lights. Because walgreensious. I'm just nervous they're 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.920 going to be outdoors. The lights I have now, I 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.040 swear to God, I think I bought it Dwayne read 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.760 fifteen years ago in New York, like, if not more, 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.400 maybe twenty years ago. They've never broken. I use them 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.800 every Christmas. Knock on wood there. They're perfect. But I 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.360 I for some reason have this thing about like, oh, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.200 they're outside and they're going to be in the elements 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.000 to I have to get like a special con element. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.840 I don't want to get ripped off on fucking Amazon. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.760 Get elements? Are you thinking about in the Los Angeles area? 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:08.760 I don't know. Well, knock on one. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.680 There's obviously disasters, but I don't think a mud slide's. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:12.960 Gonna come through. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:17.080 No. No, But like rain, you know, yeah, I guess 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.200 google outdoor, like the water from my sprinkler, I don't know. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.560 Oh yeah, how's your garden? Well, the well, the garden 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.080 is going. It's still it's still there. No, no, no. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.320 And the woman who made my garden, Rochelle, she listens 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.400 to the podcast. So she left me this gorgeous garden. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.640 Some of the vegetables I didn't like, pick in time 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.520 and then when we got them in the house, they 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.120 were not edible. But a lot of the stuff is 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.720 still growing wonderfully. I did have to just recently do 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.360 a little sweep of some of the stuff I had 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.800 let die, like a couple of the sunflowers. These sunflowers 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.040 bloomed so beautiful, and then there was just I think 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.120 my kids unplugged the sprinklers for a few days or 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.080 something and they just died. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.360 But I thought I could revive them, but it didn't work. 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.280 But we just had like six days of rain in La. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.160 So the garden is popping right now, the back part 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.560 of it, it's popping. She's really I'm gonna sunder some picks. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.800 So we still text all the time. We're friends, but yeah, 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.680 I'm starting to How do you feel about this Amazon catalog? 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.160 I know you saw it at my house one year, 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.800 But now my kids get this fucking Amazon catalog where 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.040 Amazon basically tells all the kids what they want for 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.480 Christmas and they just go through and they circle almost 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:26.360 every single thing in the. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.040 Catt Yeah, but it's not like Amazon invented the catalog. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.440 I liked catalogs when I was young, right, but they 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.480 have everything in one spot. Kind of sure, But isn't 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.080 that better? Like, don't you like that? 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:37.880 That's true? 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.720 We you know, on this podcast we support big business 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.520 just so you guys know we like giant conglomerates. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.760 We're a big box podcast, that's for sure. Yeah. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.080 Do you think Todd from Salt Lake City is getting 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.280 some Starbucks cups for Christmas? 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.320 Oh? I bet he is. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.240 If he's traveling bugs when there's trouble in Paradise. I 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.679 think he's traveling picking up more mugs. I have a 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.760 Starbucks San Francisco. Should I send it to Todd? 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.959 I mean every time I see these mugs, and I mean, 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.000 I'm honestly pissed that bron Win showed us that man 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.760 and now he's in my face. Now I have to 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.800 imagine this gout motherfucker making out and farting on a 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:16.079 flight like it's sickening. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:17.800 What is with the farting? 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.440 He's just gross. I don't know when you invent pomp 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.160 pilot you think? I mean, I think most people are 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.439 farting on flights. I'll be honest, maybe not mid makeout, 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.760 but him taking the cherry was too much for me. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.280 Can you even imagine what Brounwin does at Christmas, all 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.640 the costumes. I'm sure she's like dressed up as Rootolph, 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.559 like ever get Away. It's like so fucked. The Housewives 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:37.600 are like such a study. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.000 I bet like years from now it's gonna be the 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.640 core of education, like teaching people about psychology and life. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.640 Because to me, it's like you meet her mother, her 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.199 mother's awful to her, and you repeat it, and then 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.600 you get a man who's condescending and thinks you're all 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.440 these loser things. And then you're with a man who 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.960 you go, I love eating the cherry and eats the cherry. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.280 It's like so gross. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:10:59.640 Yeah. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:09.440 Yeah, they repeated the cycles of whatever Apple keep themselves. Yes, wait, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.480 so I know it's this at this point was weeks ago, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:19.200 a month ago actually, but bravocn happened in Vegas, Okay, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.400 And I know you guys know we talk about Bravo 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.480 a lot, and we've talked a lot of you know, Listen. 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:26.800 Some of the things about Housewives that I like is 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.120 that I can hate somebody one season and then the next. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.560 Season I can like them. I do like that. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.640 I think it's fun that we have, like we don't 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.079 just like always label people and hate them forever. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:36.520 We can kind of switch on people. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.280 But sometimes I think people take it too far and 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.760 they get kicked off the show, and then two years 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.800 later they're just welcomed back with open arms when they've 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:50.760 done like no accountability for themselves and change nothing about themselves, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.240 Like the Vicki thing, Like there was this huge moment 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.120 at Bravo con where Vicki got asked to be back on. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.040 Also so embarrassing because she's just so thirsty and pathetic. 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:00.760 Yes, that's what it seems like. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.079 It's like you've been fired, they don't want you there, 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.800 you've been a friend of and then he's gonna surprise 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.840 you with this gig and you're not even gonna be like, well, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:08.600 let me think about it. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:09.480 I'll talk to my lawyer. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.240 You're like crying, you were and then posting a photo 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.080 of you are like cuddling an orange in your bed, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:16.800 like have some self respect. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.960 But I talked about it. I guess podcast respect if 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.000 you want to be a housewife. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.280 I talked about this on another podcast and I was like, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.720 it's just annoying. How like I don't know, it's almost 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.800 like you can do anything. I'm half expecting them to 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.440 give Kenya back her peach in two years, even though 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:37.720 she fully showed underage like sex work photos of a 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.439 cast member of a fellow cast member. So like, I'm 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.679 kind of like, does anybody ever really get punished to 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.560 the point that they apologize or actually repent for anything? 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.440 Like no, because then they would to get back on 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.000 the show. If people were actually sorry, they would not 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:51.800 be on the Housewives. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:52.240 I would say. 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.640 The only person that's not gonna be ever asked back 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.120 is Jenshaw, and that's because she served actual jail time. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:02.480 Like I don't think. I think Teresa did too, Yeah, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.680 but she didn't defraud. She did defraud people. I was 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.120 gonna say, didn't defraud the elderly. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:07.560 I don't know. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.040 I don't think there's morals we have to stop. Like 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.080 if men in sports can rape and beat their wives, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.000 I think women on Bravo could, I guess be racist. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:17.640 I don't know. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.840 I don't I know, I don't know the rules, Like 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.040 I don't racist, and like telling people not to take 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.280 the COVID vaccine and all, like in a public on 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.040 a public platform. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.960 I mean, like anyone that is a trumper should be 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.600 honestly and guantanam obey, you know, like I don't want 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.840 anyone that voted for Trump anywhere near me or on 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.080 a screen or anything. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.120 So obey. Yeah, I don't. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.920 I don't know, Like to me, I'm disgusted by I 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.319 don't want to look at anyone thriving that's a Trumper. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:44.800 Thank God. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.040 On the OC, they're all such fucking losers that it's 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.360 cool to sew as. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.200 I don't want anybody's life on that. No. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.080 I mean, Heather Debro but she's liberal and cares about people. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.439 And then Tamra Wildly is a Democrat, even though she 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.360 I think some terrible children. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.040 I don't think I think she I do. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.720 I think she's I do, but Jo more like a 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.280 Biden dry and none of it matters. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.840 Get these Epstein five. I mean, I wonder from. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.880 When we record this, if we're getting these files out, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:17.680 or what's going to happen. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.600 As of this recording. The Congress has voted all of 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.920 them to one to release the files, and then the 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.880 Senate very quickly did a unanimous vote. This does not 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.920 happen in American politics. If you're listening from abroad, this 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.240 never happens. So I still think that they're going to 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.960 figure out a way that it's part of an ongoing investigation. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:39.920 I'm not going to see it. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:44.080 I just don't trust any of these Republicans to like, 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.000 would they really agree to it because of their constituents, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.800 Like they know that he's in it and that he 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.240 doesn't want it out. I'm very curious what the plan 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.760 is because I so somewhere being like they're doctoring it, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.960 so they're going to take everyone that they want out 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:56.280 of it. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.840 But I don't, oh you they're redacting. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.760 Like that's what someone was saying, Like why else are 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.800 they so gung ho? These people? But now they don't 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:08.360 have a choice. It's like I don't know, I don't 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:09.000 know what's happening. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.280 I can I be redacted or It's like to me, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.480 the emails are incriminating enough, the emails are enough, but 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.280 it won't be enough. None of it will be enough 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.560 unless those files have a videotape of Donald Trump being like, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.560 this is a thirteen year old girl, and now I'm 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:23.960 going to have sex with her, and then he does 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.840 it on the tape. I don't think these people care. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.160 I really don't think that. I think he doesn't. I 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.840 don't think he's scared because I think he fucking knows 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.560 he can do whatever he wants and or they're going 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.320 to redact the shit out of it, like I mean, yeah, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:39.840 quiet Piggy, like, oh my god, that actually sent me 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.800 like I think about sending my mom stuff sometimes and 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.560 I never do. And that I was like, is this 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.200 the kind of person? This is not how you raised me. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.360 But it's also okay, So I'm looking at this BBC 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.240 thing and it's like, e'p seein I had a plea 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.320 deal where he molested a fourteen year old girl in Florida. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.280 So it's like just knowing that and being convicted of 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.360 soliciting press should oh the one where he got to 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.240 go home on the weekend. Yeah, like eleven years later, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.560 charged with running a network. Like all of these things. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.360 It's like the fact that a president even has photos 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.440 with these people, like the company you keep. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:11.960 I just don't. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.640 I will never understand these I just think I'm different, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:16.480 We're different. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.080 I don't. I don't need more. The women told me the. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.400 Girl like right, no, most people that are normal were 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.960 they were out at grabbing them by the pussy. They 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.240 were out at the Miss America comments, you know, like 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.000 we're the miss teen comments or whatever, like we were out. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.400 We've all been out for a long time. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.320 Wait, so I wonder, you know, if I say, like 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.480 Mother's Day is the lowest arrest day, or like crime day, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.920 I wonder what Chris where Christmas falls, or if Christmas 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.320 is a big robbing day, or like what's going I 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.920 bet there's. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.560 Like the like the Wet bandits and stuff. Yeah. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.360 I do love that my kids love Home Alone. They'll 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.760 always watch it with me. That movie gets me in 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.160 the spirit. What are you gonna watch any Christmas movies? 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:57.720 You know it? 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.000 But I actually just had a conversation with other people. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.400 I go, I go Home Alone is the quintessential Christmas movie. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.679 The goal I like Christmas vacation. I go, sure, we 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.000 can all like whatever we want. But I'm just saying overall, 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.680 Home Alone is number one in terms of like family. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.560 It is just great for all ages. I think, Yeah, 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.119 no matter of what you like more or less, it is. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.520 And there's something about I love Christmas vacation, but it 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:27.639 stresses me out. And then because of how everything just 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.040 keeps going wrong, it feels stressful. Whereas Home Alone he 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.200 keeps like winning. So I'm sort of not as stressed. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.239 But what other what are other? 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:37.760 Well? 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.760 The one that I didn't grow up with but that 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.280 I'm like so happy I celebrate Christmas was like some 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.880 Americans is I love mupp at Christmas? 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.639 Like, let's watch it? 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.200 So few and I think I like it even more 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.280 because there's an Internet post where they just were like 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.199 the director's notes of like, hey, Michael Kaine, it's just 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:00.879 like a muppet move and he goes, I'm going to 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.200 play this the most serious that I can't. So it's 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:07.560 like Michael Kaine like being like so serious and then 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.360 it's muppets around him, and yeah. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.199 I want to watch I've seen it. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.080 I've seen it. I just haven't watched it in a while. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.879 But I like the family Stone and I know you 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.400 love that one. That is a good one. And it's 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:20.919 just that I cry though I don't know if I 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.080 can watch that this year. I watch it every year. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.639 I love love actually and I stand by it. I 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.840 know there's think pieces about how much love actually sucks. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:30.440 I love it. 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.240 It's not a think piece. It's my own eyes, brain 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.520 and heart. I don't like it, and I try every year. 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:35.560 I try every year. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:36.560 That's fine. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.480 There are also think pieces and as well as your opinion. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.000 But I really like it. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.720 But I think it's like I saw it right when 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.760 it came out, like so it's just solidified for me. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.520 I saw it in the theater when I was living 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.480 in Italy and was like, I love this. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.320 Anything happened in Italy, you know that's cemented in your heart. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.960 Yes, but also but also there are some of the 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.479 storylines that I'm like, I could have done without, you know, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.040 But some of them I think are fun and I 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.600 really like them. I like Laura Lenny No Love. Actually, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:09.560 I don't know why I don't like it. It just 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.800 doesn't do it for me. But I love British people. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:14.880 I love everything like that. I love all the British shit. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.560 I like Godding Hill, I like four Weddings and a Funeral. 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.120 I like Hugh Grant. I'm here to say I don't 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.480 care that he's an asshole. There's something hopelessly charming about 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:26.040 Hugh Grant. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.520 I know, watching clips of him and Emma Thompson on 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.560 What's That The Couch Show, Alan carr uh No, Graham Norton, 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.280 Gram Norton, and I would they just said so much. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.600 Gram Norton is the best fucking chat show and why 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.040 can we not replicate that at all? I feel like 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.320 Cordon tried to by having all the guests stay on 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.560 the couch, But he's not the same level of funny 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:48.080 as like. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.160 Oh they hired a fake gay, they need a real gay. 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.000 Graham Norton, Yeah, why is there not just I mean, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.680 it's sort of what Andy does. But I wouldn't say 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.560 that he has the same vibe as Gham Norton either, 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.400 Like he gets the biggest people in the world get 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:01.960 up there, they tell funny stories. 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:02.960 It's not it. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.879 Doesn't feel as you know what it is like produced 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.200 as like the Tonight's Show and the other It feels 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.159 like you're watching a bunch of famous people at a 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:11.480 cocktail party talk to each other. 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.520 Also, if you like Hugh Grant has a sense of 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.720 humor about being an asshole and he's aware, which I 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.760 like because he told them with Thompson, he goes, God, 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:22.520 you must have hated me on that set. I did 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.960 this this, and I got arrested halfway through. They have 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.639 a felf aware king and he's like and she was like, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:30.399 you were the worst. 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.679 He's like, I'm the worst. I don't know. I like 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.200 there's something about him. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.240 There's yeah, there's something about What I love about love 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:42.360 actually is that this extremely handsome, like this is extremely 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.720 a charming man. Is the president of England essentially the 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.560 prime minister and his single like it's like so like 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:50.920 just available to date. 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.239 And then he just liked saying I was wondering if 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.000 Zorn like would have gotten married if he wasn't running 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.199 for mayor, or if they sped it along, or if 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.359 it was a natural part of life. But I do 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.199 think I thought, I think about that because they just 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:06.280 got married in January, I believe, twenty five. Oh, so 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.159 I wonder if it was like we got I mean, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.680 I'm sure they were partnered and they seemed very in love, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.520 but I but they seem non traditional, like cute outfit, 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:15.719 you know, to the court house. Yeah, I wonder if 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.359 it was like, all right, I'm running for mayor. They 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.240 already hate that. I'm like Muslim and young. Let's uh, let's. 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.359 Get a wife at least cool. 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.560 Yeah, she seems really cool and someone you know, how 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.520 the new thing is like having a boyfriend is an 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.560 embarrassing and all this stuff. And someone was writing how 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.960 they like that you can't even tell she's really with 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:35.840 him on her Instagram like. 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.719 It's all like these are things that inspired me. Like 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:39.400 she's just. 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.840 Kind of I love a cool girl and it didn't 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:43.480 become her full. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.400 She's not like a first lady per se, where it's 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:47.680 like her whole fucking life. 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:50.480 No, but I it's Bridget. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.640 The thing is, I feel like not in hil Hambridge 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.080 Jones are Christmas to me. And I don't know because 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:56.600 Christmas just happens, because. 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.679 Christmas happens in the course of the movie. 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.080 Yeah, I'm okay, because I hate when people say diehards 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.560 a Christmas movie, Like I really that bothers me. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.400 Yeah, so I don't want to be controversial in that way. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.040 They just feel like that to me, And I wonder 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.919 if yeah, yeah, yeah, what it is with the Brits 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.399 We'll be watching. I'm sure tons of Christmas shit. My 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.600 kids like The Grinch, the Animated, the Illumination. They don't 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.920 like the Jim Carrey very much to scare it too. 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:28.520 It's weird, but I'm excited to do some like Christmas 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.200 y crap with them too, Like I don't know why 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.520 I have such a You're right, it's probably how the 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.080 world is so awful right now. But I'm like, I 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.280 am excited this year for Christmas for some reason. Also, 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:40.800 I think I'm happy, Like we were supposed to come 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:42.560 home to the East Coast, which I do love doing, 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.600 but then we decided not to and I'm sort of 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.320 like psyched because I just. 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:48.720 Really like not going anywhere. 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.800 Well you so you also mentioned that like you want 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:54.080 your kids to be able to wake up and go 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:55.840 to the tree and open the cats and you can 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.840 go to Bob Baker. Wait, you know, and I love 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.040 La Rachel Sennett's wearing a Bob Baker like she's. 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:01.960 Wearing out merch hat. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:02.280 Yeah. 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.399 Yeah, from the Puppet Place, oldest oldest marionette theater in 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.760 the country. Babies around the corner from where I live. 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.000 We're going, We're going to the Christmas one. 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.040 Wait, Cara, I finished, And just like that, I finally 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:15.119 watched the last three episode. 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.720 Do you know if five episodes away from finishing, like, 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:18.200 I'm so. 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.119 Close, Czy, I'm so close. 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:21.920 I ran out of things to watch and I go, 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.560 all right, I'll finally finish it. And I did, and 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.800 it's done, and it's done. I don't know what made 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:32.719 me think of it? Did you say Christmas. Is there 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:34.840 a good Christmas episode of Sex and the City. 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.879 Well, I really liked the New Year's scene in the 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:41.920 movie where like, oh the old lang Syne where she runs. 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.040 She runs to Miranda. I always cry when I watch that. Yeah, 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.679 I don't know. If it's Christmas, I would say I 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.480 always watch Simpson's Christmas episodes every year. 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:51.840 And the Real Housewives. 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.800 Okay, what are your classic Christmas Housewives episodes? Like when 0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:00.640 Bethany does it up with those weird nutcrackers. 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.840 That is, I would say the Berk shares anything in 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:07.000 Bluestone manor Christmas Time, and I would say Jersey did Christmas? 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.440 Well, you know, okay, the. 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:13.800 Cookie and the sprinkle cookies, the sprinkle cookies, how dare you? 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:16.359 Yeah? Yeah, so I guess right now. 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.680 Sorry if I'm not being more, those are the ones 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:19.680 that pop into my head. 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:24.320 But yeah, yeah, yeah. I. By the way, I have 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.600 to get Rosie at fucking bike for Christmas? Did I 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.040 take our to both my kids bikes got stolen off 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:29.480 our porch. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:30.399 No. 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.320 I've been living in my house for six years. I've 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.000 never had a thing stolen. I leave my front gate 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.200 swung right open. It's like it's not I don't feel 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.879 like we have anything valuable or like, you know whatever. 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.760 And we just noticed one day I came out, I 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:46.840 was like, where are their bikes? I checked them back 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.600 gone gone, and one of them had training wheels on 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.200 it because Rosie's still not off the training wheels. And 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.560 I was just like, what the fuck? By the where 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:59.119 their second owners? Like they're both used bikes. Like I 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:04.320 was like, so indicator, recession indicator, somebody really And this 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:06.240 was I was like, way before Christmas. If it was 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:07.719 a Christmas time, I'd be like, that's fine, go give 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.600 your kid a bike for Christmas. But like it was 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.560 a couple of months ago, I forgot to tell you. 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.399 So now I got to get Rosie a bike. And 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.200 then Oscar wants a light up scooter, Oh my god, 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:18.960 it's too much. 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:20.960 And he wants a Barbie. He wants a fucking Barbie 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:21.480 dream house. 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.639 But he already still plays with the Gabby house that 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.760 you got him, and I'm like, I just I can't 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:28.400 have that many house. 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:29.359 We can't have that many houses. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.760 Well, once you start buying him houses, I'm happy to 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.239 buy him miniatures from Etsy, because that's what I've went 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.960 up to I'm buying a lot of miniatures lately for 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.120 for what just to have like just keep things. So, 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.399 like I said, so for this year for Christmas, it's 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.040 a little bigger group than we usually do, so we 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:48.320 did a theme just to like make it easier. So 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:53.080 it's something soft, something edible, something New York. So you know, 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.200 you could do wonder what I am obviously doing, three guys, 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.000 and you give all three of those things to every person. Well, 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.800 it's up for interpretation. So be one soft, like it 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.320 could be a stuffed animal pretzel that is New York 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:05.280 soft and edible. 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:07.560 Oh you know what I mean. It's like use your 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.000 imagination and you could just bring something edible for the 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:15.520 whole gang to eat. Right, everyone can do whatever they need. 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.880 I am getting everyone three separate things with each theme. 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.680 Of course, got it, of course obviously. 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:22.639 Yeah. 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:28.920 So for Lane, I got him miniatures for a dollhouse, 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.000 but of foods from Seinfeld. 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:35.480 Ooh marble rye. No, that's hard, that's not like. 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:40.159 I got him a Bosco chocolate sauce, a junior mince box, 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.320 a black and white cookie like plate, and then I'm 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.480 personally ordering from Europe. We'll see if this shoes has 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:50.359 to make the mold fresh. But it's gonna be a 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:55.560 miniature tweety pez hopefully. I don't even know that reference. 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.280 Oh it's what makes the piat like they laugh at 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:02.679 George's girlfriend, who's the piano recital, and Jerry takes a 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.320 tweety pezz out and Elaine laughs and it focks her up. 0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:10.879 Oh so that's like the miniatures. And then I buying 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.080 like an oyster platter ornament. I think for Julia there's 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.879 just there's also a new ornament that I found on Etsy. 0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.720 It's it's Haitian mortician and it's clear and inside of 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:21.680 its coffee. 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:27.040 Beans, so it's fucking good. But for Alison, I got 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:28.280 her one. 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.800 That's a Housewives reference in case anyone doesn't, Oh yeah, 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:31.080 go on. 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:32.399 I don't know. 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.480 I think I feel like I've mentioned this already. But 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.080 on The Simpsons there's a joke with Homer and it's 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.920 nuts and gum and he goes, I'm a man eighteen 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.560 to forty five thirty five. Everyone listens to me, and 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.720 he's like, it's a jar of nuts and gum, and 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.760 it's Allison's favorite joke. So I found a tumbler on Etsy, 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.720 and it looks like the canister from Nuts and Gum. 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:59.639 Oh amazing, but it's yeah, like no, honestly, this is 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:03.520 an unsponsored at sea commercial because really they do have 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.639 everything you want, like anything you need. 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:06.960 Yeah. And if you. 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.000 Didn't know, yeah, and for New York, for one of them, 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.800 I've you know those red lantern flies or moths you're 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:18.600 supposed to kill. Yes, they make clear magnets with like 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.239 the dead the the moths in it. 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:25.119 Oh my good, I killed a bunch of those when 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:26.200 I was on these guys. Wait. 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.080 Yeah, last year I got you a moodang on Etsy. 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:33.359 It doesn't moodang feel like it was six years ago now, No, 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:37.040 I mean she I'm still following. I'm still following, so following. 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:38.480 What's what's what's move up to? 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.800 Wait? Hold on, bird, I'm trying. 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.880 Oh okay, sorry, I have like not a spreadsheet, but 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:47.840 a notes of all the gifts and the foods and 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:48.280 the things. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.160 Okay, it's just. 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.080 Hard because there's like one candy Julia loves from Canada 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.240 and it's only sold in Canada, so it costs whatever. 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:57.880 So I'm like, do I do that for the food 0:28:57.960 --> 0:28:59.360 or I can do it for the soft and get 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:04.320 an edible like thing. Yeah, so I don't know what 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.200 I'm gonna do, but I bought myself a miniature lunchable. 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.200 I thought that would be cute. Love that, yeah, but 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.600 I mean I just love it. You can get like 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.440 a plate of mozzarella sticks as an ornament. 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.640 I just like anything you want, anything you're into. 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:23.480 At Sea has revolutionized gift giving. 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.960 I would say, such creativity, but I'm excited. 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:32.120 But the ravel rye was an amazing first Yes, yes, yeah, 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:33.680 I mean that's what I always think of if I 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:38.959 think of food on Seinfeld. But the junior mints juju 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:39.880 Bee's too, right. 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.920 Wasn't Yeah, I couldn't find those, so I have to 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.040 get those specially made, and I'd rather try to get 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:45.040 this tweety pez. 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:50.560 Yeah. Oh my god, she's in and it's gonna pop open. No, 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:51.160 it'll be in. 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.760 She makes the the container of it, so it's like 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.600 the backing of the box, the pez and then the 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.800 clear thing on top of it a packag. 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.520 It's package. I thought it was just the holder. 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.560 Yeah, but the miniature world is I mean, it's in 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.920 right now. It's not like I'm a oh yeah, out 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:10.280 of the truck. 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.239 Is fully of a comic friend of mine is, you know, 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.040 fully into the miniatures, so of it all makes them 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:18.120 displays them. 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.720 Oh and if you live in Montreal, I will be 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:26.760 their December seventeenth. And if you want to get people gifts, 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.640 I'm on the road on February twenty. First, I'm doing 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:31.920 Grammercy Theater in New York, but I'm going to Kansas City. 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.680 I'm going to I'm going to a lot of places, Vancouver, Seattle. 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:40.000 Like tickets to my show can be a Christmas gift, Yeah, 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.720 the gift canter. I'm also on cameo. I just I 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.120 just did a seven minute cameo. 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.960 I'm really like, you truly get like eight you get 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:50.440 a lot of thirty dollars. 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:51.160 You get a lot. 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.760 I'm not gonna put the shirt, but i will give 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.960 you seven minutes. My friend, who you know sent me 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.040 called me with her friend who listen to the podcast 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:07.480 Hello Friend, and they sent me the cameo that they 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.640 had gotten for her or her friends had gotten for 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:14.320 her from Luanne. And she's like hungover. She sounds like 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:18.040 she just smoked seventy thousand cigarettes. She drops the website 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.720 for her cabaret at the end of the cameo and 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:22.680 is like, don't forget to come see me on the road. Like, 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.440 I think you should start doing your road dates at 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:28.160 the end of all of your cameos. Like the Countess, 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.320 she's like just out there earning every dollar and I 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:31.960 love it for her. 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.200 Yeah, cool, because I remember she showed someone how much 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.760 money she made on that and they were like, oh. 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.160 Yeah, she's out there and she's doing it in the car. 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:42.560 She's doing on the way to places. It's not like 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:43.719 it's but listen. 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:48.320 I if you're looking for also other gifts, please go to 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.040 the Exactly Right shop and buy our merch. 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It's all because a couple 0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:00.040 of characters were like the mast. I was watching it 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.560 truly like I've never seen this before, but I know 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.760 I have, but it was so back in the recesses. 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:05.600 It was. 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:09.240 And it's also kind of obvious, like who's doing pretty quickly? 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.200 But there's something about the way they speak in season one, 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.000 and it's kind of like the Russian love poem where 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.920 I don't know what's happening. I don't know why you're 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.280 speaking like this, and this is so confusing and hard 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.960 to understand. Why are you using these words? Like it's 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.760 really a different show, totally agree. Thing goes in my 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.400 brain except for slaves that will haunt me forever. There 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.560 are some sentences and reactions where you're like, why are. 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:30.120 You saying that? 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.000 Like's not, that's not what you would say here, Like 0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.520 it's so it almost makes me feel like there was 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:36.880 weird editing or something. 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:38.280 Yeah, but I'm just glad you. 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.240 Felt the same way, because sometimes I'm like, am I 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:44.040 just a fool? And then added to this, So a 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.479 maid comes into the hotel room, cute pink uniforms. She's 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.280 shouting housekeeping, housekeeping, so she's speaking Spanish. 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.600 The captions and the noise were from the. 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:57.680 Episode Taboo that I had just been watching for fun before, 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.200 so for some reason it frosted, but I didn't realize it. 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.440 So I'm just hearing shit about afterbirth and a dog barking, 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.120 but I'm watching her speak Spanish, so I don't know 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:10.880 what she's saying. 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:12.840 So I'm writing about after birth when the. 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:18.759 Captions got fucked up like it Taboo captions and noise crazy. 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.680 So I'm like, what the fuck is happening? 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.640 But then I figured it out quickly because I was like, 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.880 there's no dog, who is angel? 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:28.919 Where is the afterbirth? Oh? Yes? 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.759 Because the beginning of Taboo is like a dog just 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.440 like finding a baby and like, yeah, yeah, well the 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:35.640 afterbirth's in its mouth. 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.000 Yeah, so I figured it out quick. But Ava Maria, 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.279 you know, she goes, oh, it's a mess. Holy shit. 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.839 She's picking up a bunch of stuff. She slides the door. 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.440 She sees a woman in like a black bronze panty. 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.000 So she turns back and is like, oh, sorry, sorry, 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.719 excuse me, miss. And then when there's no noise, she 0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.760 turns around in blonde dead woman on top of the covers, 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:58.239 eyes open. The maid screams and runs out. See it 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.759 is really wild how wide open her eyes are. She 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:05.520 is awake, like like Stabler and Benson are on the scene, 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.440 and the CSU tech is like, hotel scenes, fucking suck. 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.799 We've just picked up our fifteenth print. I just stayed 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.120 at a hotel and there was blood speckles on my 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.279 comforter and they brought me another one. 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:22.680 But it was quite upsetting. Oh that's really upsetting. Yeah, 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:24.919 and I didn't notice during my nap. I only noticed 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:35.040 at night. Oh okay, I'll continue, sorry to upset the room. Yeah, 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:36.880 so this place, you know, the room's been tossed. 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.720 There's nothing in the safe or and there's no valuables. 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.960 So Benson's digging in a purse no money, and she's like, 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.520 this is strange. I always carry a pairy pair of 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:46.399 ear rings in my bag. 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:50.080 No you don't. He's talking about and stablers. 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.239 He goes, yeah, like you carry a purse, and then 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:53.960 she goes, well, that's because you carry it for me. 0:35:55.040 --> 0:36:00.200 I don't know whatever they approached it. There's marks on 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:00.600 the neck. 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.799 The larynx is crushed twelve to eighteen hours ago. Their 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.840 guests saying, so between four and ten pm was the murder. 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:12.320 The arms are crossed, so that's you know, personalization, Stabler says. 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.960 Benson goes, we're great, a burglar, rapist with a conscience, 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.200 so credits. Jeffries and Munsch are walking down the staircase 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:21.920 that's in the middle of the precinct and I really 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:26.200 miss it. I missed the staircase to nowhere from nowhere 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:27.640 like they had a lofted office. 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:28.200 Love it. 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.720 Yeah, one time we were up there with the old lady, 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.800 I feel like, and then never again. 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.520 No, were we not up there for raw for like 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.279 the racists. I feel oh, maybe. 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:41.680 I just remember when they lent the old lady, like 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:43.520 the NYPD sweatsuit. 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.319 Or whatever, and she was up there. 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.319 So Munch's suspender lavender pink dress shirt. Jeffries is giving, 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:51.759 like mid speech, she's you know, it's a power trip, 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:55.520 aggression control, male domination. Remember, he goes, yeah, but a 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.880 rape's a ripe is a rape. I'm just saying you 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.120 can't rule out the sexual aspects. I don't know whose 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.879 accent that was. So Benson and Stabler approach. Benson calls 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:08.680 them frickin' fracks. Stabler says Alphonse and Gaston, okay, and 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.760 then Munch says slappy and happy. 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.839 I can't so they're bantering. Thank god, Hey, who are 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.960 Alphonse and Gaston? Oh it's a comic strip. No, I 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.399 thought it was from Beauty and the Beast. No, it's 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.680 a comic strip about a pair of French a Frenchman 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:27.280 with a pension for politeness. I thought Gaston was Beauting 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:28.440 the Beast too, But there's no Alphons. 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.399 I don't think. What's that little short man's name? 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:36.880 Then Lafou Lafou, Yeah, damn my bud. Okay, so banter, banter, 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:39.680 But it is also so weird that they're just like 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.520 French comic strip, like do we think Stable reads that 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:44.520 it's just confusing. 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:46.680 It's very confused. I mean I thought it was beating 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:47.040 the beast. 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:52.920 So so Craigan interrupts, and well, because it also like 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.640 there they don't work together, one is clearly beneath, so like, 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.560 I guess that also confused me, but I went with it. 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.640 Craigan interrupts, he wants to get back to work, so 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.800 Stabler starts reading his notes. No signs of first entry 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:10.000 death probably by strangulation early last night reads like rob 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.440 Ray palmicide. If she did fight back, not for long. 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.400 And Craigan is bothered by the staging of the body, 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.960 as we all are, you know, arms, cross posts mortem. 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.960 So we don't think it's a stranger, you know, like 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.880 a remorseful stranger doesn't really make sense. 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.880 Jeffrey goes, well, maybe it's regret, you know. 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:30.640 So then a man I've never seen before in my 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.440 life he walks by and says, you can't rule out anger, 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:34.840 and then he walk he leaves. 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.600 Oh it's Kenny Briscoe. It's brisco It's like they give 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.279 That's what I thought was so funny too. I go 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.040 look at them throwing Jerry Orbox on a line he 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:44.960 just goes, can't rule out anger and walks away. 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.720 Whoall because I didn't know? Because later they call him Brisco. 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:49.640 But even when I went on IMDb, I'm like, oh, 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:51.480 I need to find out who this is. This is 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:53.279 like twenty years ago. I'm like, I can't. I can't 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.359 look at these faces. Nothing makes sense. I'm out of here. 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.960 So but later they do, they do address him, but 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:03.879 he's he's given intern he's a young young man, so 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.400 they really have nothing, like how do we narrow anything down, 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.120 especially with all the prints in DNA, but they are 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.319 working on exclusionary prints from hotel staff. So Craigan goes, 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.239 all right, tell me about the victim. This is Benson's turn. 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:21.440 Sylvia Hadley. She's married, her husband's in Baltimore and she 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:25.240 and her father in law, doctor Benjamin Hadley, and his wife. 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.800 So the mother in law were attending the national conference 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:35.400 from Christian Colleges in New York City. So Munch knows 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.120 who you know who this Hadley guy is? He goes, 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:42.520 not the Benji Hadley. That guy's more powerful than Pat 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:47.920 Robertson and then able to leap a tall Democrat and 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.200 a single bound What does that mean? 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:51.320 Wait, say it again. 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:55.000 Able to leap a tall democrat and a single bound. 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:58.080 It's like a joke about Superman able to leap a 0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:59.760 tall building in a single bound. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.800 I guess. And then it's. 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:06.960 Like, again, weird language. So this guy's the president of 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.600 Midvale College. He goes, it was a nothing college and 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.320 now he made it a think tank for neo conservatives, 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.520 and Benson goes, isn't that an oxymoron? And he says, 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:21.760 I love you, Olivia. Munch keeps talking shit. He hates 0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:25.360 these motherfuckers. Benson reports that the husband's been told and 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.840 is flying up, and the in laws were pretty flipped. 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.799 Stabler says, is it just like language was different in 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:32.360 two thousand? 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.400 Like was I too young? Like what the fuck are 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:36.080 we talking about? I don't know. 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.200 I feel like they're still getting the tone of the 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:40.719 show or something. And so like the writing is all 0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:42.560 a little bit all over the place. I really, Yeah, 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:45.120 it's pre neal bear Yeah, no offense. 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.480 Okay, So so we have to go back to talk 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.200 to them, and right there I wrote, I'm confused how 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.000 they talk. Jeffreys and Munch go to the morgue. It's 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.600 a red haired woman with bangs, like my mother. She 0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.759 confirms its manual strangulation for cause of death. Between six 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:04.560 thirty and nine last night, rape kit positive for semen, 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:08.800 sheets turned up positive for bodily fluids as well. Good 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:13.680 samples much flirts with redhair and she's not into it. 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:18.680 Well I read in the wiki of this episode that 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.239 she's kind of reacting to I guess he asked her 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:22.759 out in the previous episode. 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.120 Oh okay, yeah, which I don't know if we've covered yet. 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:27.320 By the go girl. 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:31.200 Cool, Benson and Stabler are with the in laws at 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.640 this fancy hotel and they need to know about Sylvia's day. 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.240 So they were at an awards dinner for the Christian 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.920 Educator's Coalition, but she wanted to go home and skip 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.400 the mixer. They assumed that she was just like tired 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.560 from walking around all day. He says she was super independent, 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.040 loved art and was like dying to go to the 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.360 met and the mother in law goes, yeah, but she 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:55.240 did seem pretty tired. So the man, the mustache Man, 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:57.399 have you seen the Mustache Man? 0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:58.440 Pipes back up. 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:02.000 And she she and Brad had been burning the midnight 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:06.640 oil on annual reports. So Brad Weber is this finance guy. 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.880 They have an office here. He's staying here too, working 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.879 in the New York office. And Stabler asks if there's 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.319 been any grievances with her, and he says she was 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.840 a fine young woman. Everyone loved her. She and his 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.319 son had so much to look forward to. And Stabler's like, 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.160 we just start looking for, like any possible motive, and 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:28.400 this dude's psycho. He turns he goes a drug addict 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.600 or rapist broke into her room. How about lack of 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:34.920 personal responsibility? And while he's blabbing, they like, the shot 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:38.080 is on his wife's face and she's very sad. And 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:43.600 then he brings up a theistic hedonism and he says 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.600 he knows something like this would happen here. So now 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.840 we're in the underbelly of the hotel getting scoop and 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:49.680 cameras from this city. 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:52.839 It's the shit. They always say that New York has 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.160 no God and that's why everybody there is just like 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:59.120 sucking and fucking and drinking and committing sins and murdering people. 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.400 At least they're doing on the open, you know what 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.440 I mean. I don't know. 0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:07.480 It seems like they're raping children on an island, so 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:08.800 I can't. 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.799 It's just like again, my phone feeds me what I want. 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:14.560 But the amount of right. 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:19.920 Wing people that get arrested for child abuse images and 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:25.000 child and rape is quite crazy. A lot of cameras 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.239 obviously it's a hotel, but not in the hallways because 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.719 privacy and you know, people do need to cheat on 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.480 their spouses somewhere and it would be too expensive to 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:33.600 have that many cameras. 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.040 But they go, well, then how do you protect people? 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.799 He goes, We're pretty diligent about trying to kick crazies out, 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.279 and we have electronic locks so we know when like 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.480 the door is opened by staff or guests. And so 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.759 he has Hadley's log and this guy's old school, white 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.360 haired man, but he already printed that information all the 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.440 room service, everything for that room. And he also has 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.560 tapes from check in around the hotel. It's just like 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.000 a box of tapes. The only issue is there's a 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.920 glitch and there's no time stamps. So then stable are 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:03.960 at like you know, asked about the staff, and he goes, 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.000 you want to investigate, that's on you, babe, but you're 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.120 not going to find anything. We do more background checks 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.560 here than the FBI. Benson asks if there are any 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.239 of the other hotels he knows have gotten similar attacks, 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.440 and there's one that got did get hit, but the 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.120 guest was gone and there was no log of any 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:23.160 entry at all. So now they're outside, they're chatting, and 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.880 they're looking at the log from Sylvia's room. And so 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.520 nine to twenty five am, the maid cleans the room. 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.440 A lot of room service Thursday to Friday, but none 0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:36.439 on Sunday, which is the crucial period, and she got 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:39.120 into the room quarter of five. So they go to 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:42.640 visit Brad Weber at the investment company, and he lives 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.759 in Baltimore, but comes up often enough that they got 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:46.799 an office. And it's like the same of this partner, 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:48.840 like they flip floplake. That guy goes to Baltimore, he 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.000 goes to New York. They're just working. He met with 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.759 Sylvia on Sunday. You know, we're all working, and there 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:57.120 was supposed to be report to trustees today. But after 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.279 the Sunday meeting, he came to the office tourk late 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.840 and walked along Fifth Avenue and then went back to 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.000 the hotel around nine and he kind of scoffs and 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.879 He's like, you seem suspicious and Benson goes, well, yeah, 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.239 this early in investigation, were suspicious of everybody. He said 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.279 that he crashed when he got to the hotel since 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.600 today was supposed to be a big day, so you know, 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.680 with the reports, they had to report to everyone. So 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:20.680 now we're back at the office and Munch is talking 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.160 to mister Hadley, the husband. 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.560 Do you have any kids? No? Okay, my god, do 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:27.680 you hear the honking? It's like insane. I heard it 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.160 really lightly. So they asked do you have any kids? 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:30.360 No? 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:32.640 And then Munch asks him if him and his wife 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.399 are having problems, and he hates that question. He goes, 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:37.480 my wife was not having an affair and he goes, well, 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.120 that's not really what we met. Jeffrey pops in and 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.799 is like any financial problems and he goes, no, what 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:46.000 the fuck? Why are you putting our private life under 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.479 a microscope. This isn't about my wife. This is about 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.719 one of your New York psychos out roaming the streets. 0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.920 But it's not pc to do anything about them. So 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:57.279 Jeffreys tries to calm him down, and it's like, son 0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:58.800 and dad definitely killed this woman. 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.680 Okay, so Benson was walk in and shake his hand. 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:03.319 He leaves to go. 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.440 It's I mean, I guess grief is different, but it 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.080 seems crazy to just start making this like an act 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.800 of political you know what I mean, Like you're yelling 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:12.880 about PC stuff. 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:14.960 Your wife's dead, what are you talking? 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:20.040 Yeah, well, I mean I think that's all par for 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:21.320 the course with these kind of people. 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.799 Benson and Stabler walk in and shake his hand, and 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.279 he leaves to go see his parents. He then apologizes 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.319 for being an asshole like me at a hotel desk 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:31.480 in any morning, in anywhere in the world. So Benson 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.440 fills the team and Brad Weber no Goo doorman saw 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.920 him leave at six and got hotel messages. After nine, 0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:40.600 all staff prints were cleared, like there is a burglar 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.000 hitting big hotels. So I guess that's a lead. But 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.160 the robbery Task Force is already on it. So Benson 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.600 shouts over the man I've never seen before. 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:49.680 It's Brisco. 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:52.880 And they give him a box of tapes with no 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:56.480 time stamps and go go do this. So Stinbler at 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.920 that point hangs up a phone and the name of 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.719 the latest victim of these robberies is Lana Hoffman and 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.360 she's staying at the Sussex on the East Side. She 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:09.080 is blonde, and she's an actress named Kelly dead Mom, 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.760 which maybe it's pronounced different but definitely spelled like dead mom. 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.600 I looked her up because I just knew she had 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.400 been in other s views, and she she's in five episodes. 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:22.680 She was in season eight Annihilated and season fifteen Dissonant Voices, 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:25.719 and then in season nineteen she's in Remember Me and 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:27.040 Remember Me Too? 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:29.120 So a queen. 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:32.280 Yeah, she's so familiar to me, so yeah, I know, yeah. 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:33.239 She says it. 0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:35.440 I feel like I remember her from Annihilated, Like was 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.399 she not the wife of. 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:38.000 That actor that? 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.600 She is the wife I think, And he's the niptock 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.320 yees wife, Yes. 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:43.799 Of the Niptok guy. Yep, yep, yep. 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:45.880 She says it took her a second to realize that 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.600 the safe had even been oating disc voices. She's the 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.600 mom of the kid who's like accusing Billy Porter is 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:52.439 a dissonant voice. 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.799 Isn't that the one? It is? Yeah, it sure is, 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:56.719 She says. 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.880 It took her a second to realize that the safety 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.200 had even been gone in her jewelry is gone, but 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:04.920 she's annoyed because the other detectives dismissed it as an 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:09.239 idiosyncrasy and they're like, well what and the burglar masturbated 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.319 in her underwear and the evidence is in lock up 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:14.720 and the other cops said, whatever, that's random. 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:15.439 Who gives a shit? 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:19.200 So they ask if anything random happened that day, or like, 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.520 did anyone follow you? Follow you in the lobby, and 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.400 she goes, yes, there was a guy reading the paper 0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:25.920 in the lounge and he did creep her out. They 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.439 rode the elevator together once and he wore a red 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:32.680 baseball cap the whole time, so that's why she noticed him. 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:34.720 And then she goes, yeah, because I remember thinking, oh, 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.320 some men never grow up. And that's kind of cultural 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:39.439 shift too, because like, hats don't really mean the same 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:39.799 thing like. 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:43.040 That you're like a child. Yeah, yeah, people just wear 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:43.760 hats now. 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:46.880 So we go to the burglary task Force, so s 0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:49.840 few detectives are being normal, and this guy's like taking 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:52.480 offense to their presence. He's like, oh, yeah, you know, 0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:54.800 you want to take all the burglaries. How about Manhattan 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:56.600 takes all of them? You think every burglar is a 0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:00.279 rapist and Benson's like, we just care about the with 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:03.640 the masturbating in the underwear, and they like hul his 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.359 ass with all this information. He's like, oh, yeah, how 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.360 could you have helped me? How are you gonna help me? 0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:10.280 And they go, this is exactly what we were talking 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:11.680 about last episode, I know. 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.239 And they go to schools. Well he wasn't so but 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:18.120 they schooled like it's amazing. So he goes, how could 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:19.880 you have helped me? And so Benson and Stabler are 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:21.960 kind of like double team and they go, well, he 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:25.880 wasn't in it for the money, so like, you shouldn't 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:27.960 waste your time looking for the goods on the streets. 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.080 It's not random. He stalks and follows these people for days. 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.640 He likes blondes. He gets a rush from being in 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.479 plane view of the hotel and now a woman's dead 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:40.680 because you were protecting your caller. He's silent and Benson 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:44.640 and Stabler leave. He chases them outside. Yeah, so what 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:47.160 we didn't want to call you? Nobody wants to call 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.239 you ever. You guys are twenty four to seven pervert 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.120 City and we don't get why you pick that squad 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:56.640 and Stabler with another mic drop. It's people like you 0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:02.160 that make our squad necessary. He goes, well, we don't 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:05.880 want whatever you got, and Benson's phone rings and he 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:09.120 calls so like, while she's on the phone, though, guys 0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:12.400 are still chatting, and he calls Stabler tainted and the 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.839 cop goes, I bet the only people you hang out 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:18.399 with is Brooklyn SVU. He goes wrong. The Bronx says, 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.160 tov you. Benson hangs up, and it was Kragan. The 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.279 victim was pregnant. So Staylor goes, oh, what Donna? A 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.759 double homicide? So the guy just kinds of stands there 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:32.000 and they walk away. Benson asks Munch how. 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:34.640 Britain, which is very season one because now that's a 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:35.520 little bit too tricky. 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:37.080 Yeah yeah, I. 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.799 Mean he's working on it and looking for the baseball cap. 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:41.040 Wait, what do you mean it's tricky? 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.000 Like they wouldn't say that now because like that would 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:45.040 be too close. 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:48.239 To like abortion, like she's much because the John Ritter too. 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:51.640 It is still homicide. If you like stab a pregnant 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.320 woman and kill the feet at like Scott and Lacy Peterson, 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:55.400 that is double homicide. 0:50:55.840 --> 0:51:00.319 I think it's considered a forced abortion sometimes like an 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:03.240 illegal Maybe it's like an age of the abortions. 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:08.200 Peterson case I felt like was a homicide. 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.239 Because I feel like that's why in the ridder one 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:10.719 they had to say that the bait had to trick 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:14.000 him into saying the baby took a breath. Oh yeah, 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.160 that's why, and he was like, no, the baby didn't cry. 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.799 Or because I don't even like the equation. I guess 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:21.399 you have to prove it's alive or not. I get, 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.880 I guess, but it's like so annoying that, like you 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:28.279 have to focus on semantics so much when it is 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:35.560 so different. Yeah, of course, like I don't get that whatever. So, uh, 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.680 the Brisco's working on it, and he's looking for the 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:40.440 baseball cap stable right now, is making maps of all 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:43.439 the like robbery hits of the hotels, and I mean 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:47.160 it's been going on for four months. And while they brainstorm, 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.719 Craig and yells out people, uh, I think you should 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:52.359 listen to this, and it's the Christians and they're talking 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:56.000 about moral decay and America on TV and they don't 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:57.720 really have time for that. So they go to another 0:51:57.719 --> 0:51:59.120 hotel and they see the guy in the red hat. 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:02.759 They can't even believe it. Jeffrey like follows him. Munch 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:06.680 is wearing a hasidic fedora. They follow under the sixth 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.839 floor rooms six twenty four, Benson and Stabler meet. They 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:11.640 all meet outside the door they open with the key guard. 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:14.600 They arrest him. It's really really exciting. So right in 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.120 the middle, no dead body is just a fun little burglary. 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:21.480 And as they're taking him out the rob why is 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:22.400 your mouth agape? 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:26.160 Because I just now when I was looking up the 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:29.840 woman that you were talking about Deadmond, when you saw 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:34.560 that this burglar is Norbert Leo. Buttz, I don't know 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:38.719 that is you do? He is the original, he knows 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.120 the casein knows too. We've tried to get it. We've 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.239 tried to get him on the podcast. He's the original 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:45.480 Fierro in Wicked. And by the way, I said on 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.200 a former episode that he's the original Bok, I meant 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:51.239 to say Fiero. He's the original Fierro in Wicked. And 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:55.920 he was just on a new season episode or how 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:57.240 caught up are you on the new season episode? 0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:58.000 Now you see the one. 0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:03.000 Where the fertility clinic gets I've only seen one. He's 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.640 in a brand new season twenty seven episode and he's 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:09.200 in bloodline. He's in a lot of stuff, and that 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:10.920 just isn't what he looks like. I mean, I know 0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.239 twenty five years have passed, but like twenty six years, 0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.040 but like he looks I didn't even clock him as 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:16.960 member Leo Butts. 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:19.680 Yeah, he spells Butts different than you guys think there 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.160 is a Z. Okay, it's a Z yeah. Yeah, but 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:26.319 I just like the rushing in arrest. So while they're 0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:29.279 walking him out the robbery teams, they're going, that's our 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.160 collar and they go, well, no, you didn't get him, 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.479 so and he's been a fucking bitch and then Benson says, 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.399 our captain's been talking to the mayor, and Sailor says yeah, 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.719 and the mayor didn't really like hearing about your unwillingness 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:41.440 to cooperate. 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.280 He tries to put his hands on Stabler. 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.960 Stabler's like, wait a minute, flips the fuck out, don't 0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:48.640 fucking touch me. I don't like to be touched. And 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:50.759 they let go of each other, and Stabler sits in 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:51.320 the front. 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:53.719 Seat and Munch puts red hat into the back seat, 0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.279 and then the Butts guy goes, if that's the guy 0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:01.359 questioning me, I definitely want a lawyer and I don't 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:03.360 think these burglaries and murders are connected. 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:04.000 But that's just me. 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:07.080 So he goes, he has like a device in his 0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:10.279 hand that gets him into everything, and he made it. 0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:12.560 He's like, oh, it's not even hard. I'm a computer programmer. 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.560 And his lawyer goes, stop talking, and he said whatever. 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:18.080 So I was fired for my electronic block company because 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.560 I was too bothered by the illusion that they were perpetuating. 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:22.880 And Munch goes, yeah, yeah, I'm your guy. I'm like, 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.200 I love a conspiracy. He goes, yeah, there's tons of 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:27.840 key cards on the maid's car, like one combination opens 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.520 every single room in the whole hotel. And the lawyer goes, 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:32.440 please stop. If you want me to help you, he goes, 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:34.400 what are you talking about? They got me get me 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.120 the best deal, and it is what it is. 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:38.000 He's like, your job is to get me a good deal. 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:39.359 Shout what the fuck up? I want to brack about 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:39.800 my crimes. 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:41.920 He says, all that stuff he took is just sitting 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:44.840 in his apartment. It's nicely cataloged. It could all be returned. 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:46.759 It's not about the stuff. He was just trying to 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.400 prove a point and the lawyer finally says, can you 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:52.000 just please shut up for one second? At that moment, 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.280 there's a knock on the window and Munch says, maybe 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.560 you too need some alone time. So the four detectives 0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:59.120 are out in the spy window and the Butts guy's 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.760 like face on mirror, like trying to see something. 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:03.880 I just think it's so crazy that this guy is 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:08.280 like Adam Conover. Basically, he's like trying to be like, actually, 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:10.960 hotel security is a myth, like you know, you could 0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:13.000 do anything you want. You can get these keyguards or 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.080 easy to get and all the safes can. 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.359 Be open and blah b It's like I don't know. 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.279 And he's doing this all just as a crusade, like 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:21.760 it's pretty wild. 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:23.920 So much, and Jeffreys are like, ooh, let's go be 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.120 bad cop, like let's have some fucking fun and they 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:29.120 kind of fistpound each other. And so now the Hadleys 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:31.520 are in the squad room too, and they're like, should 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.399 we tell him about the pregnancy, and Jeffrey's a month 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.399 like absolutely not. It's like a card we can hold 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:38.200 on too for later. So much, and Jeffries enter back. 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.239 So you love underwear, you freak and he goes, no, 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.640 but yeah kind of yeah, and then they bring up 0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.560 Sunday and he's shocked, Oh my god, no rape, no murder. 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:46.920 I don't know. 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:49.520 I'm not wired that way. He gets so angry. He's like, 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:50.879 I want to clear it up right now. I didn't 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.680 rape anyone. They go, where were you goes so ho East, 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:57.640 I stole a diamond studded collar off a terrier. It's 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.759 the only dog friendly hotel in the city, and that's 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:02.160 that's definitely changed. 0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:06.600 You can bring dog and how yeah, how times have changed. 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:08.400 Cute dogg But I love how this guy is a 0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:11.799 computer programmer who also wants to prove a point about 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:15.480 hotel security, but also likes to masturbate in women's underwear. 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.600 And that's just who I am. Baby. He's like, just 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:21.080 get used to it. Yeah, he's really confident. 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.160 The husband wants to see the guy, but Benson a munchure, 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:28.279 like we made a mistake, and they, you know, they 0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:30.440 brought him down a little prematurely what they like to do. 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:32.960 He's like, I don't believe this templer goes Yeah, you know, 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:36.759 shit takes time. But riling up the press wasn't really cool. Huh, 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:38.520 and the dad's there. He goes, listen, we're under a 0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.319 lot of pressure. We apologize, and he also realizes, like, 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:44.200 I know, your job is really hard, and the husband goes, 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:46.080 how hard can it be? My wife was killed in 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:49.600 a hotel and Ben goes, yeah, we'll find him, okay. 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.880 So they leave and they confirm the dog collar theft, 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.479 and Benson's like, maybe I have another idea, like maybe 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.759 she was having an affair, but you know, because why 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.520 else wouldn't she tell her husband that she's pregnant. She 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.480 also did not fight back, and she could have let 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:07.200 the attacker in and so, and maybe she was more 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.560 modern than her religious family that she married into. Craigan 0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:12.480 sends Benson and Stablerr back to the hotel for a 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.239 closer look. A man in a dress shirt in tiwalk 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.880 the detectives through the kitchen, and he said he would 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:21.040 not have remembered her if she hadn't gotten killed, but 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.880 when you hear the news, it solidifies everything in your mind. 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.560 And he says she was a pain in the ass. 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:29.080 She ordered a lot of room service, they brought so 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:32.480 much food, and even when they brought foods, she always 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.440 needed more stuff and would send them down for more 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:38.040 sauces and things, but also never ordered dinner, only tons 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:40.400 of appetizers. And so they bring one of those servers 0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:43.240 over in like a full red vest, white shirt situation, 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:46.200 and when asked if he remembers the woman, he goes, oh, 0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:47.040 the one who bid it. 0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:47.560 Yeah. 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:50.320 So they asked if she ever with anybody, he goes, yeah. 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.919 Every time he came in the room, the bathroom door 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:55.080 was closed, so maybe because someone could have been in there. 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.720 He also does apologize for his rude comment earlier. He's like, 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:00.760 you know, sometimes guests just be from a room number. 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:04.480 After a while, at eleven pm, she called down to 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:07.280 have the mini bar restocked, but they could not do that, 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.560 so she went down to the bar instead. And you know, 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:13.120 that's not really the picture of the Hadleets had painted. 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:14.800 But I also wonder if she didn't know she was 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:16.880 pregnant or did want to have an abortion, because she's 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.680 really like boozing it up. So then the tie guy 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:22.680 says that people do all sorts of things in hotels, 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:26.360 And so that was Saturday night before she was killed. 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:29.840 She was there Friday and Saturday night, and Saturday she 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:32.680 was with the guy, the bartender has all this information. 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:35.680 It looked like they worked together, but she was laying 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.520 it on thick hands, on thighs, whispering, leaning in. She 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:43.640 was having a green apple martini. Disgusting. They left together. 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.400 She couldn't walk without him. She was like really wasted, 0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:48.160 and the bartender goes, no, the guy was a hero. 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:53.200 He stayed here too, and he charged the drinks to 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:57.160 his room and guess who it is, Brad Weber. 0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:02.440 Dramatic music and he's room bars. So they start grilling him. 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:05.960 He's obviously lying, you know, but he has to loosen 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:07.800 up after he realized, like, they know what's up. 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:10.720 So he goes, listen, we did have an investment meeting. 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.320 You know, I'm happily married. There is no affair. She 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:15.800 did hit on me, though, and it felt like harassment. 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:17.840 But she could ruin my life. And Sailor is not 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.640 buying any of this, and like, you know, now you're 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.240 actually giving us motive, so we think it's you even more. 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:26.080 The affair got too much. You got scared you'd lose 0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:28.000 the client. It's such a big client, and so you 0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:29.640 killed her. He's like, that is not true. There was 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.800 no affair. He's like she was half drunk in the meeting. 0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:35.720 He felt like he like had to like join in 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:39.680 on the flirting for his job, she insisted. But he 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:41.480 also said he liked like having a hot woman on 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.080 his arm in New York and that people were like 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.640 all jealous. And he says he ordered so like I 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:48.240 guess he thinks his wife is a fucking dog. Okay, 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:51.680 So then he says he ordered beers and drank them slowly, 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:55.160 which the bartender did give the detail earlier as well, 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.920 that like she was drinking to do something stupid and 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:01.760 he was drinking to not you know, so he's nursing 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:04.240 these beers. They left and he walked her back to 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:05.840 the room and they kissed outside the room. 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:07.200 But that's it, he says. 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:08.840 I know, I love how this guy's like, I'm a 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:10.280 good guy, like I didn't do any and it's just 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.840 like little bit like little lies keep like. 1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:15.080 Sailor's not buying it. He goes, no, I swear I 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:16.920 went back to my room. I love my life. Please, 1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:18.760 I don't want to ruin my life. And so the 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.200 benson asks where he was Sunday night, and he keeps denying. 1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:24.040 They keep pushing, and so they go talk to the dad, 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:26.960 the dad in lam and he likes Brad. He likes 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:29.160 the way he handles the money. And there's a Bible 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:32.280 quote said, and then Staylor goes, please leave scripture out 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.400 of this and tell us if there's any pertinent information 1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:39.680 about Brad Weber the man's size. He clears his throat, 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:43.120 he starts pacing, so a lot of action. He says, 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:45.520 he's always a little in the tank at our functions. 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:48.160 And I like that saying he's always a little in 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:50.400 the tank. Yes, in the tank is fun. You know 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:52.600 what my mom likes to say about lot. I'm drunk, 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:53.200 she says. 1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:55.800 Polluted. She goes, oh, did you guys just get polluted 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.960 last night? I'm like, wow, a new one, A new one? 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:01.920 YEA polluted? Guy's got polluted? 1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:06.680 Or what do I say, hammered after a blocked out? 1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:07.520 What do I say? 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:13.320 Wasted party? I partied, fucked up? Yeah, I got fucked 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:18.080 went after it. So yeah, so they're they're throwing him 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:18.800 under the bus. 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:21.280 And now behind the man, the husband is there and 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:24.080 he has his arms crossed like a little child, and 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:26.640 the dad continues that he's known to make passes at 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:29.120 women and in the past they laughed it off, and 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:31.440 then Benson goes, well, nobody's laughing now. 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:33.400 So they ask about. 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:36.280 Personal connection, but he's like, no, they only work together 1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:39.320 and I can't imagine him hurting him. The dad jumps in, 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:41.520 we only needed a report from him once a month, 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:44.600 but Sylvia did work close with him all the time, 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:49.280 and you know, they handled the management of endowment. And 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:51.200 the son goes, wait, what are you what are you 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:54.120 talking about? And the dad goes, come on Ben late 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:55.720 nights two to three times a week. 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:56.440 Grow up. 1:01:56.880 --> 1:02:00.200 He pats him. He says, you know, they have never fought. 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:02.080 But then it's like, damn, I hoped it would be 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.880 a stranger. I can't believe she's fucking Brad. So they're 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:07.120 back at cement room bars going you lie to us. 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.200 We hear you love to drink and grope, and he 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:14.160 goes no, and then he goes, listen, so what I drink? 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:16.640 My job is stressful, but like, you don't know what 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:19.080 it takes to keep that college afloat. We have an 1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:23.200 extra meetings because there's a huge balloon payment due next quarter. 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:26.640 I don't know what that means. I don't care a 1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:29.640 huge balloon payment due next quarter. It's just a bunch 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:32.480 of money is due. Yeah, all right, so it takes 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.080 a lot of work. The trustees are paying. Next, Stabler goes, well, 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:37.920 what kind of payment are we talking? So Hadley structured 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.640 a poor deal back in the seventies by buying the 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:44.720 college high risk, high interest, no intermediate payments. 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:47.439 I don't know what knows. 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:49.600 It seems to me like they haven't paid anything for 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:52.360 a long time and now a massive bill is coming due. 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:54.800 Like that's what it sounds like to me. But I'm 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:56.760 no finance person, No I think you are. 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.400 So it's biting him in the ass, and Sylvia is 1:03:02.400 --> 1:03:05.400 trying to fix it, and that's why he's out there 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:08.439 like still stumping around. So the lawyer hops in and goes, listen, 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:10.760 this dude has never been in trouble before. He told 1:03:10.800 --> 1:03:14.120 the truth when I wasn't around. Okay, And they say, 1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:16.360 you know, he's still a prime suspect unless he gives 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:18.520 us some other good information or a blood test. And 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:20.440 he's like, yea, get I'll do the blood test. Why 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:22.120 didn't you ask for the blood test yesterday? 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:22.960 You know what I mean? 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:25.440 Just like holding him in this room, he's down for 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:28.959 the blood He did nothing, So now we're looking into 1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:32.200 the college Hadley fired anybody that disagreed with him, and 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:35.680 his doctorate is from Lutheran Ministry College in Jackson, Mississippi. 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:36.720 So he's a preacher boy. 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:40.040 And I don't know why they had to have that info, Like, 1:03:40.160 --> 1:03:41.440 I'm happy to know what college you. 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:42.920 Went to, But am I missing something? 1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:46.880 This is connected to some of the stuff in the 1:03:48.160 --> 1:03:50.280 in the rhyme, yeah, in the. 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:52.040 Truth ol Okay, I love that. 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:56.200 And so the Hadleys are holding a memorial service and 1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:59.280 that's in one hour. So the team splits up, so 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.520 some go to the memorial and some go to talk 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:03.760 to the college professors that have been asked. 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:05.280 Okay, but can we just talk about the fact that 1:04:05.320 --> 1:04:08.000 they're having a memorial for this woman in a city 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:08.760 that they're not from. 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:11.240 They don't live in New York. They're like on a 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:12.600 trip and they're like. 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.840 We're having a memorial here in New York for her, 1:04:15.440 --> 1:04:18.000 and like they're like they have not stopped talking about 1:04:18.000 --> 1:04:20.280 what a cesspool of sin New York is and that 1:04:20.400 --> 1:04:22.120 this could only happen here. And then they're like, you 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:24.640 know what, let's rent out of space. We're gonna do 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:27.720 a church. We're gonna have the remembrances here, like what's happening? 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:31.920 And then they're at the park, which I love, and 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:34.240 why you know they're by like I feel like it's 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:38.920 Washington Square, this it's NYU. So this dude tells Jeffreys 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:42.120 a munch that yes he was stalin, Like so, I 1:04:42.160 --> 1:04:46.800 don't know what that means. Strict, yeah, paranoid, basically a 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:49.920 fascist dictator, like getting any bad rid of you that 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:55.439 doesn't like agree with you. Yeah, so whatever. This guy, 1:04:55.520 --> 1:04:58.920 he's a philosophy professor, he started teaching in nineteen eighty nine, 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:02.200 and he's all about question every perceived truth. Origin of 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:05.680 species was the first thing to go though, and he 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:08.760 hated it and realized Hadley only cared about rich conservative 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:11.440 donors and not about you know, going for truth and 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:13.760 questioning things and the species or whatnot. 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:15.800 So now we get a little bomb drop. 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:19.760 Okay, rumor was that Sylvia spent more time working with 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:24.520 the Hadley senior than living with Hadley Junior. Okay, gross, 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:26.920 this guy's not hot, like not even I'm not even 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:30.160 talking physically, like insulting a man's looks like this actor 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:32.640 is so good, Like this guy's not fuckable or hot 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:38.120 in anyway? Am I wrong this stash is. No, he's weird. Yeah, 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:40.840 I don't, and I don't think the Sun is. You know, 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:44.919 they're both a little weird, you know, heroes. I don't 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:47.800 know why this chick is fucking these guys. 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:48.760 I don't know. 1:05:48.880 --> 1:05:52.560 Okay, So he's not surprised though, because Junior, you know, 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:55.920 NEPO got him the job. But Sylvia has had strong, badass, 1:05:56.040 --> 1:05:58.560 like she did everything. So now we're at the memorial 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:00.880 and Hadley Senior is to talking and the mom is 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:03.360 sitting and she's looking up at him. She really doesn't 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.520 like him very much, and the son seems like he 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:09.800 hates him as well, and he's thanking people for their guidance. 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:13.120 The mom is giving, like Milania disinterest. I would say. 1:06:13.400 --> 1:06:16.600 They approach the Sun questions, questions, more questions, and the 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:19.200 Sun finally breaks and says, in the last couple of years, 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:21.520 she changed a lot, and she wasn't the same person 1:06:21.520 --> 1:06:24.800 that he married. He didn't even know her anymore, and 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:28.040 you know, flying across the country, cell phone permanently on 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:30.640 her ear, he knew less and less about her life. 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:33.280 So now we're back at the office. Everyone's scratching their heads. 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:35.800 They're trying to figure this out. So finally we bring 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:38.800 up the mom, Sharon Hedley. She does appear to be 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:41.640 the glue that holds the family together, and Craigan goes, okay, 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:44.240 I have enough to go get the Hadley's blood. 1:06:44.320 --> 1:06:45.480 Let's get all their blood. 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:50.640 So Craigan vampire, you know, and bring mom back up 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:52.880 to see how strong the glue really is. So she 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:54.960 walks in and Benson does a one on one with her, 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:59.280 and you know, she asks with Sylvia happy, The mom goes, yeah, 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:02.520 she loved that. She really knew how to work a fundraiser, 1:07:02.760 --> 1:07:04.680 and I bet she would have really gotten along with 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:06.320 Lindsay from the episode. 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:13.160 Oh yes, yeah, from what because she had a gift 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:14.120 for corporate giving. 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:18.840 Yes, a gift for corporate giving. You're so right. 1:07:19.160 --> 1:07:22.280 And yeah and this woman not just yeah, she really 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:26.080 worked a fundraiser. So hopefully they're in heaven making some events. 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:28.920 You know, they're they're working a Colon now fundraiser in 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:30.120 heaven together right now. 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:36.960 So okay, so now the son he loved to teach 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:39.720 and you know, was the sun happy And she goes, yeah, 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:41.800 they were a good team, but you know, he wished 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:43.680 that she worked less and spent more time with him, 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.280 and Benson goes, okay, Well that's not the same thing 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:49.440 as being happy. She goes, listen, happiness is highly overrated. 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:53.200 Detective marriage is a working partnership, and it's about the Lord. 1:07:53.600 --> 1:07:56.800 And Benson goes, okay, so was it? Was it consecrated 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:59.600 by the Lord? Was she faithful? And the mom goes yes, 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:01.920 And it's like, how would you know? What are you 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:04.920 talking about? But the mom continues, she was faithful to 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:06.920 all of us. She loved her job, loved her school, 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:10.440 her family. The mom is nodding. Benson drops the pregnant news. 1:08:10.560 --> 1:08:13.600 Mom is stunt, looks straight ahead, then her head finally falls. 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:16.880 Why didn't your son tell you? She looks down more hiding, 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:19.320 you know, like she's obviously hiding something, and Benson goes, 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:22.439 whatever you're holding on, that's gone too. We can help you. 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:25.280 He wouldn't have known. She says, Oh God, I prayed 1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:28.280 for forgiveness. I forgave him. How could this have happened? 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:30.479 How could he have done this? Benson goes, what'd your 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:33.680 son do? She goes, not my son, my husband. He 1:08:33.720 --> 1:08:36.080 had an affair for two years with Sylvia, but. 1:08:37.560 --> 1:08:38.360 This guy is done. 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:40.800 Okay, so my notice this guy is not hot and 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:42.719 I'm not talking looks like weirdo. 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:45.240 So my point reiterated. 1:08:45.400 --> 1:08:49.280 Okay, Benson walks into the squadroom with a bounce, because 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:52.080 I feel whenever, whenever there's an affair, I feel like, 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:55.719 even the incest one, I'm like that guy's given something. 1:08:56.400 --> 1:08:59.200 Yeah and taboo, what's he has a funky Yooh what's 1:08:59.240 --> 1:08:59.599 his name? 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:03.720 Yeah? You know what I mean, like they're bringing up 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:05.720 they usually have something going on. 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:09.280 Okay, So Benson walks into the squadroom. She has a 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:13.200 little bounce, she's got bouts. What I wrote this word swaggert? 1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:15.479 Did you mean just swagger, like a little swagger to 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:16.000 her step? 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:16.200 No? 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:17.920 But was it written I feel like. 1:09:19.520 --> 1:09:23.839 Swaggered because I don't think I would have said Benson 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:26.519 had swagger, like that's not the way I speed, but 1:09:26.680 --> 1:09:29.479 a swagger. I don't think it's a word. I mean, 1:09:29.840 --> 1:09:32.719 braggert is a word I don't know, But okay, whatever, 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:37.080 So Jimmy swagger, Jimmy Swaggert is an American televangelist. 1:09:37.400 --> 1:09:38.200 Is it something about that? 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:42.519 Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But then why didn't 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:43.040 I finish it? 1:09:43.200 --> 1:09:47.519 We're gonna get to the bottom of this mystery. Okay. 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:49.920 Once he's exposed, the money is gonna stop. So the 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:52.920 balloon payment put gasoline on the fire, so they got 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.439 to move quickly. So but once all this is exposed, 1:09:55.439 --> 1:09:57.479 the money is going to stop, and then the balloon payment, 1:09:57.600 --> 1:09:59.519 you know, that's gonna put gasoline on the fire. 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:00.759 They have to move quickly. 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:02.880 But we need to make sure the mom stays in 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:04.680 the precinct and doesn't give a heads up to the 1:10:04.720 --> 1:10:07.080 men about all of this in the affair, and they're gonna, 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:10.559 you know, go ruin their day. So bring them all in, 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:13.160 separate them, and they can't talk to each other. The 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:16.360 dad's cocky, and he isn't talking till he his lawyer's there. 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:19.160 And Benson and Stabler are cocky too though, and they say, 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:22.240 wait away, babe, your DNA is going to corroborate your 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:23.040 wife's story. 1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:24.160 He goes, what story. 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:27.479 Sybil goes, oh, no, we probably shouldn't say anything until 1:10:27.479 --> 1:10:30.559 your lawyer gets here. Window tap much says the brisco 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:34.200 has something. So basically, the videos aren't time coded, but 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:38.880 he was using visual cues from the events at the 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:42.720 hotel to put a timeline together. So evening Friday Girl 1:10:42.800 --> 1:10:45.280 Scout meeting, because you know, that's that's when the Girl 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:46.280 Scouts meet Friday night. 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:48.920 They get Friday at a hotel on a Friday night. 1:10:50.880 --> 1:10:52.680 They have a couple of martinis at the bar, they 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:55.760 talk cookie sales, and then sometimes they get a room, 1:10:55.880 --> 1:10:58.400 they do some coke. Who knows what the girl Scouts 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:01.040 get up to. It's so, oh my god, I would 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:03.240 on Oh my god, I want to samoa cookie so 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:08.880 bad right now? Oh man, Okay, So anyways, and then 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:13.680 Sunday morning there was a Cardiolist just convention, and so 1:11:13.720 --> 1:11:17.160 Sunday afternoon wedding guests were arriving. So Sunday morning Cardioalis 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:21.280 conventions were checking out. Sunday afternoon wedding guests were arriving 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:24.799 for that Sunday night wedding. And there were welcome baskets 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:26.960 at the desk, and they have bottles, and there was 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:30.040 little maker's mark, and so they're like, okay, could you 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:30.599 just shut the. 1:11:30.520 --> 1:11:33.439 Fuck up, like stop talking, can get to it. And 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:35.880 so now look at this. So he says, this guy 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.719 was on the elevator Sunday between four and six. Stabler 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:41.000 makes eyes at Benson and next to him is a 1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:42.800 guy with a bottle of the Little Maker's Mark, which 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:45.840 means this is Sunday afternoon, and Brisco is sure it's 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:48.760 the sun. He's there. He's not in Baltimore, remember that 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:51.360 little lie. You know that he but he used his 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:54.040 credit card to buy the eleven am Baltimore Express train, 1:11:55.080 --> 1:11:58.400 so he you know, he was coming up for the investigation. 1:11:58.600 --> 1:11:59.320 Bitch was there. 1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:02.559 There's a atm witchdrawal at Times Square Chase, Manhattan, Sunday 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:05.040 night at ten fifty three pm. We get him entering 1:12:05.120 --> 1:12:07.799 the lobby. There's photos in the elevator. Munch walks across 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:12.280 the team and says, good liars don't necessarily make good killers. Okay, cool, 1:12:12.320 --> 1:12:16.080 walk and talk alone. I liked it, and basically we 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:18.160 know he did it because it's like you fucking lied 1:12:18.200 --> 1:12:19.760 and you were in the hotel at the time of 1:12:19.760 --> 1:12:23.040 the murder and not in Baltimore. But also, why didn't 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:24.599 he get out of the country, Like why are you 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:26.519 so close to the cops? Go showing up to the 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:29.320 precinct ready to chit chat, like honey, go to Cuba. 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:34.320 I don't understand. I really don't understand. They probably you know, 1:12:34.400 --> 1:12:36.960 they don't pay saxes their church. Get on the plane. 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:39.160 I'm sure they have a prayer. Yeah, get the fuck 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:41.519 out of here. No, I wanted to serve his time. 1:12:41.640 --> 1:12:44.120 So this ada he's really fucking hot. His name is 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:47.280 John Benjamin Hickey, and he's been on Watch What Happens 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:53.400 Live multiple times and also he's in like a few episodes. 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:56.599 So he's this guy in a few season ones, and 1:12:56.640 --> 1:12:59.559 then in season fifteen he's in Wednesday's Child. You remember 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:01.559 the wife got rid of their kid that they adopted 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:08.120 in Russia. He's the father and a wife sends the 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:09.080 kid to a pedophile. 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:09.800 Right random that. 1:13:09.840 --> 1:13:12.439 There's just like a different eightya, Like, he's in a 1:13:12.439 --> 1:13:15.439 bunch of s views or No. Two two in season one, 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:17.800 and then back in fifteen for a different character. Okay, 1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:21.400 oh nocturn, the one where the piano played with the 1:13:21.400 --> 1:13:22.120 piano teacher. 1:13:22.720 --> 1:13:24.080 Oh yeah, oh yeah. 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:28.439 So I like this guy, and but we also have 1:13:28.520 --> 1:13:30.599 to figure out is this sex or rape before the death, 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:33.719 so we get the DNA results. This guy says, wow, okay, 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:36.599 old testament. I want both of them. So Craigan says, 1:13:36.640 --> 1:13:39.360 we need them to turn on each other and put 1:13:39.400 --> 1:13:41.519 two cats in the same bag. Let them work it out. 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:44.599 So we're in cement room bars double duty, Daddy's son 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:47.519 and Craigan's having some fun, some interrogation on. 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:49.479 There's a lawyer there as well. 1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:53.800 Both dad and lawyer keep talking to Craigan and is like, hey, son, 1:13:53.840 --> 1:13:56.680 do you ever talk for yourself? And he says, I 1:13:56.680 --> 1:13:58.879 don't know. And he says it's a tale of two cities. 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:00.600 But I don't think that's the right. Isn't it that 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:05.559 about the French Revolution? Like two cities? I don't know 1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:08.920 what it's about. I did in high school. I did, 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:13.599 I did read it, but where I lied and said 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:15.800 I did it? But I remember the projects that went 1:14:15.840 --> 1:14:17.679 along with the tail of the cities, and I don't 1:14:17.720 --> 1:14:20.599 understand the reference here with Craign, And maybe I'm wrong, 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:23.880 but uh so they're trying to, like, you know, have 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:26.360 them turn on each other's slip. Where were you Baltimore? 1:14:26.479 --> 1:14:27.680 You're a liar? What's going on? 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:29.560 He goes, no, My dad said it's a tragedy. And 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:32.080 I came back. We know he's lying. So Craign opens 1:14:32.120 --> 1:14:34.519 the door and summons Jeffrey's and she has the lab results. 1:14:34.920 --> 1:14:38.080 Your wife's throttled neck and a piece of skin from 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:39.240 under your fingernail. 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:43.240 When did they swab under his fingernails? I don't know. 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:45.640 This gave me a little bit of pause when I 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:47.800 was watching. You know, I'm always looking for holes. 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:50.120 I know, but I wonder if they did it right away, 1:14:50.200 --> 1:14:52.479 don't You're right, You're right, I don't get it. A 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:54.960 piece of skin from under your fingernails was still there, 1:14:55.240 --> 1:14:58.000 and the throttle neck whatever, it's a perfect match. Before 1:14:58.000 --> 1:15:00.200 you can speak, the lawyer goes, not another word, and 1:15:00.200 --> 1:15:03.360 then Jeffrey says, well, these are DNA results from the 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:05.800 semen found in her, and it's a match. And he's like, 1:15:05.800 --> 1:15:08.120 wait what, and the dad pipes up, this is a 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:11.120 complete and total invasion of privacy and Craigan goes, sure, 1:15:11.400 --> 1:15:14.800 blame the messenger, and Craigan continues, detective, does the sperm 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:18.439 DNA match that of Ben Junior? No, sir, She drops 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:20.200 down the file. A son says, what the hell is 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:23.160 going on here? He seems truly confused, and Craigan goes, 1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:27.000 ask your father, it's his sperm as he sits down seductively, 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:30.360 and then the son goes, my father's he's grow stout 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:32.720 as fuck, and then he realizes the dad won't even 1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:34.719 look at him. He's like staring off in the distance, 1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:37.920 and the son goes you and the dad's so uncomfortable. 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:40.080 He's like, let's talk in private, but the son is 1:15:40.120 --> 1:15:43.760 just really hurt. And Craigan goes, does you know, hey, son, 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.679 you want to make a statement And he goes, yeah, 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:49.280 I've been suspicious for some time and when this trip 1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:51.920 came up, I could just he couldn't stand it any longer, 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:54.320 so he took a train ticket. He got to the hotel, 1:15:54.560 --> 1:15:56.639 he knocks down the hotel room door like knock knock, 1:15:56.680 --> 1:15:58.559 knock knock. He said he felt like such an idiot. 1:15:58.800 --> 1:16:00.920 It took five minutes to open the door. And she 1:16:01.040 --> 1:16:02.640 was like, oh, I've been sleeping, and he goes with 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:05.320 who and he wanted to know? She laughed and that 1:16:05.880 --> 1:16:09.120 said like, oh, you're paranoid. She's told him the thought 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:12.320 of her cheating was the first original thought he'd ever had, 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:15.680 and she goes that was her favorite put down, Like 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:17.360 the only job I could get is the one at 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:19.960 my daddy's college. And the dad is just staring at him, 1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:21.720 and the son says that he just lost it. He 1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:24.040 grabbed her shoulder and wanted to shake sense into her, 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:28.080 and then she went limp and she wanted to be punished. Okay, 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:31.639 So he's sobbing and he put hands on her neck 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:34.320 and started to choke her, and he's fully crying now, 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:37.200 and Craigan says, we can finish this later. And on 1:16:37.280 --> 1:16:39.360 the way out, he speaks to the dad, you always 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:41.680 had to make things right to think. I came to 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:44.280 you to fix this, and he keeps looking forward and 1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:46.519 the mom is outside the door, and you know, she 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:48.639 hugs her son and how are they just letting him 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:50.840 go though? Or maybe they're like waiting for him in 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:54.680 the precinct to arrest him. Where's he going? So then 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:56.679 they let the mom go in to see her husband, 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:59.120 and Craigan says she had more to do with this 1:16:59.160 --> 1:17:02.120 than you think, and he says no. She says, are 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:04.800 you protecting me from the truth? How thoughtful of you? 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:08.080 How Christian? That's why you made up that robbery story 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:10.840 to cover up what you'd done. And the dad, you know, 1:17:10.920 --> 1:17:13.519 is like, oh, this is all ludaicris and she says, oh, 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:15.720 maybe it was to make sure Ben didn't know she 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:18.880 was pregnant. What are you talking about? And so they 1:17:18.960 --> 1:17:21.040 dropped the DNA on the table. He looks up. He's 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:23.400 annoyed and livid, and she goes, what were you gonna 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:24.200 call your son? 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:25.479 Ben the third. 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:29.240 He says, that's just the grief talking, and she screams, no, 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:32.400 it's me talking. A lifetime of grief and two years 1:17:32.400 --> 1:17:35.559 watching my husband soon to be ex fornicating with my 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:36.639 son's wife. 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:38.040 He stands up slowly. 1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:41.960 Sharon fathering his own grandchild, she says, and then she 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:44.400 walks off, and Craigan and him are left in crument 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.120 room bars and he sits back down. 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:52.200 And that's stickwolf baby, damn. This is surprisingly close to 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:55.559 what happened. I mean, a big twist. That's different. But 1:17:56.400 --> 1:18:08.280 let's get yeah this real life style. Let me take 1:18:08.320 --> 1:18:15.679 you to Hillsdale College, a small conservative Christian college in Hillsdale, Michigan, 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:20.400 which is about eighty five miles from Detroit. So, starting 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:25.360 in nineteen seventy one, George Charles Roche the third became 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:29.200 the eleventh president of Hillsdale. He really located to Michigan 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:31.200 to take the job with his wife, June, and their 1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:35.280 four children. He had a PhD from the University of Colorado. 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:38.080 He worked as a professor at Colorado School of Mines 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:43.879 before taking the helmet Hillsdale, and during his tenure as president, 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:47.920 both Roche and Hillsdale become well known figures in the 1:18:47.920 --> 1:18:53.160 conservative world. Like their big conservatives. The college flourishes under 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:56.599 his leadership. The seminar program gets started, the school's speech 1:18:56.680 --> 1:18:59.400 digest gets started, which is it seems like the speech 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:03.040 digestice kind of like magazine or whatever. And it has 1:19:03.080 --> 1:19:07.599 like a huge circulation for a college publication. And he 1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:10.120 got their endowment from four million to one hundred and 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:13.360 seventy two million. So he also has a gift for 1:19:13.680 --> 1:19:18.120 corporate giving, I think. So he wrote a bunch of books, 1:19:18.439 --> 1:19:22.120 Legacy of Freedom, The Bewildered Society, the Book of Heroes. 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:24.879 In nineteen eighty four, Ronald Reagan made. 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:34.280 Me, merch what a gift for corporate giving's really getting 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:38.960 me today? Yeah. In nineteen eighty four, Reagan makes Roche 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:42.720 the chairman of the National Council on Educational Research, So 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:47.200 he's in there with Reagan. The college has this reputation 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:50.759 as a haven of conservative family values, and the Weekly 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:53.640 Standard called Broche a hero to the movement, and I 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:55.760 actually looked it up, and this college is like in 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:58.599 the top fifty liberal arts colleges. Like I'd say it's 1:19:58.600 --> 1:20:03.920 probably one of the only religious schools that is that 1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:04.599 high up. 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:06.880 And they don't take any federal money. 1:20:07.040 --> 1:20:10.439 They're all based on their endowment and donations and tuition 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.360 and they don't take federal money so that they don't 1:20:13.360 --> 1:20:16.320 have to do Title nine or any of the stuff 1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:18.320 that you know, any of that DEI. 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:18.920 Bullshit, right. 1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:24.280 So this guy is bringing his dale, Hillsdale, to the 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:27.960 top of the market, and working closely alongside him is 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:31.800 his daughter in law, Lisa Roche, and her name is 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:35.680 spelled Lissa but is pronounced Lisa, and the wife of 1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:40.880 his son, George c. Roche, the fourth who goes by Ivy, 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:45.040 which is Ivy, like four, the Roman numeral four. Like 1:20:45.080 --> 1:20:47.360 everyone calls him Ivy because he's. 1:20:47.240 --> 1:20:48.960 The fourth one. Okay, that's cool. 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:53.240 So yeah, So Lisa is instrumental in helping the elder 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:54.840 Roche put Hillsdale on the map. 1:20:54.880 --> 1:20:55.960 They work closely together. 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:58.599 She knows all the ins and outs and key players 1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:01.479 of the conservative world. She did research for his books, 1:21:01.479 --> 1:21:06.160 his speeches, etc. She apparently like came to Hillsdale and 1:21:06.240 --> 1:21:08.960 immediately was like, oh my god, the president of the 1:21:08.960 --> 1:21:11.200 school is so amazing and then kind of put her 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:12.400 hooks into the sun. 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:13.200 Because of that. 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:18.240 So according to Vanity Fair, which did a big article 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:20.080 about this, which is going to be a source throughout, 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:25.000 George Roche was very stalin, like he demanded loyalty, and 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:27.599 he fired people that disagreed with him and crossed him. 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.040 And no one was more fiercely loyal to him than 1:21:30.080 --> 1:21:34.000 his daughter in law Lisa. While her husband Ivy could 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:36.320 not really find a place to fit in at Hillsdale 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:39.240 and he was often like relegated to his father's shadow, 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:43.439 Lisa fit right in. She and George quote shared a 1:21:43.479 --> 1:21:47.760 consuming passion for the college and its ideological mission end 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:50.479 quote what a bunch of fucking losers. Like you're so 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:55.240 passionate about Christian College, Like I can't. But friends said 1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:58.640 she was deeply unhappy and mean underneath all of this 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:02.200 Christian love, like he's giving big Caroline leave it energy, 1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:06.040 you know, like obsessed with like the college and the mission, 1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:09.440 but like underneath the smile and like the weird blonde 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:12.439 is like she won't let anyone say a fucking bad 1:22:12.479 --> 1:22:16.240 word about Roche Senior, but she puts down her husband 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:19.519 like like she can be really mean. Like somebody told 1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:23.080 a story about how they were at this party and 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:26.599 a like at this cocktail party at the presidential mansion 1:22:26.640 --> 1:22:30.439 at the college, and this one woman gave a speech 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:33.680 about her husband had just recently suddenly died, and she 1:22:33.760 --> 1:22:37.080 gave this speech, and this other woman who had recently 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:40.080 lost someone was crying because she was moved by the speech. 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:42.000 And Lisa came out behind her room was like, oh please, 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:43.720 you didn't even know him, Like you don't even know 1:22:43.720 --> 1:22:45.840 the guy who died. Like she's like a meanie, Like 1:22:45.920 --> 1:22:52.000 she's got like evil energy underneath. And so in August 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:56.759 of nineteen ninety eight, big shift happens where Roche suddenly 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:59.240 leaves his wife of forty four years, June, and he 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:03.599 exiles her from the twenty eight room presidential mansion that 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:07.040 they are that they live in together. Because he had 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:10.320 diabetes and he needed help with like insulin reactions and 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:13.920 stuff like that, he invited his eldest son, George, and 1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:17.559 Lisa and their family to move in with him. Lisa 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:21.360 was pumped. This cemented her even further as the face 1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:25.480 of Hillsdale because the mansion would host these massive parties 1:23:25.840 --> 1:23:29.880 Reagan would be at these parties sometimes, Margaret Thatcher, George H. W. Bush, 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:33.960 like all these big conservative Republican figureheads would come to 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:36.200 these parties, and she's like, oh my god, now I'm 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:39.320 the first lady of the manor technically, you know, even 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:43.160 though she's married to the son. So this woman is 1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:45.559 forty years old, she's the lady of the manor, and 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:48.320 in a classic Republican nightmare fashion, she starts a huge 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:54.519 renovation project Alfals mansion of course, but sadly her reign 1:23:54.640 --> 1:23:58.080 sadly for her, I'm welcome this bitch up. Her reign 1:23:58.120 --> 1:24:01.880 as Queen of Hillsdale did not lie long. A year later, 1:24:01.960 --> 1:24:04.920 in September of nineteen ninety nine, only four months after 1:24:04.960 --> 1:24:07.920 his divorce from June had officially been finalized, which was 1:24:07.920 --> 1:24:10.960 in April of ninety nine, George Roche got remarried to 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:14.760 a woman named Dean Hagen, who was some nurse from 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:18.280 Louisville who he'd met years earlier on the lecture circuit. 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:24.719 So now Dean moves into the mansion and George kicks 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:27.559 Ivy and Lisa and their twenty year old son, George 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:33.080 the Fifth out. Lisa is distraught okay, But then this 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:36.920 is in September of ninety nine. Then October fifteenth, Lisa 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:42.280 is at home when apparently Roche Senior shows up to 1:24:42.360 --> 1:24:44.599 tell her that he was going to dump his new 1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:49.320 wife and he allegedly asked her and Ivy to move 1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:52.439 back into Broadlawn, which is the name of the presidential mansion. 1:24:52.920 --> 1:24:55.120 Lisa is thrilled. She runs to. 1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:56.960 Tell Ivy at his racketball practice. 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.679 She's like, Babe, we're back in. She's so excited. 1:24:59.720 --> 1:25:01.680 He's probably like, I don't really care about living with 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:05.960 my dad. So then a day goes by, very early 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:09.040 in the morning on Sunday, October seventeenth of nineteen ninety nine, 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:11.160 Ivy gets a call that his dad is having an 1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:13.600 insolent reaction, which apparently this kind of thing happens to 1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:15.439 him like a few times a year, like, and so 1:25:15.760 --> 1:25:16.640 he calls nine to one one. 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:17.880 He goes to the hospital with him. 1:25:18.080 --> 1:25:20.479 When he gets home, he's filling Lisa in on what 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:24.040 happened and mentions, oh, by the way, Dad's new wife 1:25:24.120 --> 1:25:26.479 was there and everything seemed good. So he goes by 1:25:26.520 --> 1:25:29.240 the way, it looks like dad and new wife have reconciled. 1:25:29.760 --> 1:25:31.160 Lisa flips out. 1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:34.599 She apparently says oh shit, oh no, and runs off 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:37.840 to the hospital, where apparently the new wife quickly kicked 1:25:37.840 --> 1:25:40.599 her out of the hospital room. So then she comes 1:25:40.640 --> 1:25:44.719 home and sends Ivy out on an errand while he's gone, 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:47.639 she takes a revolver out of her husband's gun collection. 1:25:48.400 --> 1:25:52.920 She walks to this picturesque gazebo that's nearby, and she 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:58.559 shoots herself, whoa. Ivy returns minutes later to find her 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:02.280 lying there dead in a pool of blood, wearing Hillsdale 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:04.720 College shorts and ll Beean sneakers. 1:26:05.800 --> 1:26:07.280 He calls nine to one one. 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:11.120 He later spoke to authorities at length, and everyone is 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:14.360 very surprised by how cold he is, Like he never cried. 1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:18.400 He's like he called his racketball partner and said, Lisa 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:19.120 shot herself. 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:19.920 She has died. 1:26:20.320 --> 1:26:24.799 Like He's just very and listen, we can't nobody reacts. 1:26:24.840 --> 1:26:27.360 Everybody wants everybody to react a certain way to death 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:30.000 and to tragedy and stuff. So I can't blame the guy. 1:26:30.040 --> 1:26:32.640 I mean, she was probably until at least she was 1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:35.120 probably mentally torturing him for years, being super mean to him. 1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:37.639 But here's the thing, Lisa didn't just take her life 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:40.599 because she got kicked out of the presidential mansion hours 1:26:40.640 --> 1:26:42.400 before she took her life. She stood in her father 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:44.400 in law's hospital room where he was being treated for 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:48.120 this insolent issue, and told her husband that she had 1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:51.920 been having an affair with his father for nineteen years. 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:55.080 And don't worry, George's wife of one month is right 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:57.880 there when this confession is being made. So, according to 1:26:57.920 --> 1:27:00.200 an interview that Ivy gave to the National Reom, you 1:27:00.400 --> 1:27:03.040 he asked his father, is she telling the truth or 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:05.559 is she having some sort of breakdown? And Ivy said 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:08.000 his father didn't say a word, but he says, quote, 1:27:08.080 --> 1:27:09.880 I could tell by looking at him that she was 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:10.599 telling the truth. 1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:13.680 I saw the look in his eyes. He was caught 1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:14.559 end quote. 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:18.800 So after Lisa's death, Ivy waited for some kind of 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:22.760 consolation or apology from his dad, which duh, never came. 1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:26.439 These kind of men don't apologize. And he actually just 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:29.200 jetted off to Hawaii on a belated honeymoon with Dean, 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:30.920 his new wife, right after. 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:33.639 Lisa's funeral, because you got to smooth that over with her. 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:35.759 By the way, my daughter in La, I've been fucking 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:38.760 for nineteen years and she did just take her own 1:27:38.840 --> 1:27:42.720 life because I married you. Ivy told one of the 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:46.720 higher ups at the college about his dead wife's allegation, 1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:49.720 and knowing what a pr disaster that would be for 1:27:49.840 --> 1:27:55.599 a Christian conservative college, they quickly suspended Roche, and ten 1:27:55.680 --> 1:27:58.800 days later he resigned on November tenth, nineteen ninety nine, 1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:02.240 not saying what happened. He denied Lisa's allegations, and I 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:05.439 don't think he did any kind of formal statement like 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:09.120 acknowledging the scandal in his resignation. He just said, quote, 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:12.200 we have proved that integrity, values, and courage can still 1:28:12.240 --> 1:28:13.719 triumph in a corrupt world. 1:28:14.600 --> 1:28:16.120 What are you literally talking about? 1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:18.720 Like you're like the poster boy for bad values and 1:28:18.760 --> 1:28:23.200 corruption right now. And so, after twenty eight years of 1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:26.439 helping Hillsdale have their big glow up, this sixty four 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:29.080 year old Roche was out, and he dropped out of 1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:33.840 public sight and as of January two thousand, nobody even 1:28:33.880 --> 1:28:35.599 knew where he was. Like a year later, no one 1:28:35.680 --> 1:28:40.400 knew where George Roche was. Meanwhile, the scandal becomes national news. Okay, 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:42.960 no one is surprised to hear about this affair. They say, 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:48.480 Lisa and George's relationship was unusually intense. She was horrible 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:51.280 to her mother in law June, like she was like 1:28:51.920 --> 1:28:54.479 and because of that, and George the husband, was also 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:56.559 horrible to June, the mother in law, like she the 1:28:56.600 --> 1:29:00.000 mother in law. June said, you know, there were two 1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:01.800 sides to him. There was like nice Georgia, and there 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:03.799 was mean George, and she was like as their marriage 1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:06.000 went on, she was just getting more and more mean George. 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:10.760 So apparently Lisa was also so awful to Ivy. Like 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:13.519 I mentioned before, she was often belittling him, calling him 1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:16.360 a loser. She would tell people how as a teen, 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:20.680 like as a freshman, she was attracted to George Roche, 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:23.559 but she said, quote, knowing he was married, I came 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:25.200 to Hillsdale and settled for his son. 1:29:25.640 --> 1:29:26.320 End quote. 1:29:26.600 --> 1:29:30.559 So one of Lisa's friends recalls her telling that story 1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:33.800 on two separate occasions, and the friend says, Ivy was 1:29:33.840 --> 1:29:36.559 there both times she said it. He didn't crack a smile, 1:29:36.640 --> 1:29:38.880 He just sat there and took it. She said, it 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:40.880 was so awkward. It was like one of those she said, quote, 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:42.679 one of those moments where you look at your shoes. 1:29:43.479 --> 1:29:46.599 Students were torn of course. Of course, everybody's always torn 1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:50.080 after something like this comes out, Like, yes, maybe Trump 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:52.679 is in the Epstein files, but it's not for what 1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:53.439 you think, you know. 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:55.240 Like, so the students are torn. 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:57.320 Some of them are like, you know, men are fallible, 1:29:57.439 --> 1:29:59.000 and some of them are like, no, he's a hypocrite 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:01.240 who betrayed the values that he and the college purported 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:04.240 to stand for. So, you know, but a lot of 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:07.080 students and their families, I mean, the higher ups are 1:30:07.120 --> 1:30:09.360 just only worried about donations. They're only worried that this 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:11.759 is going to fuck with their donations. And then students 1:30:11.800 --> 1:30:13.760 and their families are worried that this scandal is going 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:16.000 to like mar their degree. Like people are gonna be like, oh, 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:19.719 you went to that like freaky Christian Hillsdale College where 1:30:19.800 --> 1:30:24.240 the dean was fucking his daughter in law for two decades. Practically, 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:27.479 others worried that the scandal would, like I said, cause 1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:30.599 a ding in donations. They rely on the fundraising because 1:30:30.600 --> 1:30:33.439 they refuse federal education money in order to avoid being 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:37.679 bound by federal rules on Affirmative Action, Title nine, sports spending, 1:30:37.720 --> 1:30:42.400 and other matters. Melinda von Sidao, whose husband taught music 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:46.120 at Hillsdale for decades, told Vanity Fair. Quote, when Lisa 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:48.679 Roche killed herself, I said to a colleague, this will 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:52.080 topple the king. Her suicide was a revenge suicide of 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:55.560 violent and in a public place, in a temple like structure, 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:58.839 and in broad daylight. She designed her death to destroy 1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:04.280 George Roche end quote. Yeah, I mean she's obsessed. Yeah, 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:06.840 And they were working so close together. I'm sure he 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:08.160 was like, I'm gonna leave my wife for you. I'm 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:09.960 gonna leave my way, you know. But like at the 1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:12.679 same time, it's like she has a son with your son, 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:16.040 you know, like you do have like an adult son. 1:31:16.280 --> 1:31:20.160 After the scandal, Roche apparently eventually moved to a remote 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:23.599 cabin in Colorado, and he died on May fifth, two 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:26.919 thousand and six, like six years later, in Louisville, Kentucky, 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:29.880 which is where his second wife is from. So I 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:32.479 wonder if they just went back there and he called 1:31:32.520 --> 1:31:37.400 it quits. But that's the story. So I feel like 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:39.600 a lot of it was really close to the episode 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:44.080 where you know, they're trying to be all moral and 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:44.960 this is about. 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:48.599 God and Jesus and this and that, and it's like yeah. 1:31:48.760 --> 1:31:51.759 They did the casting. Well, I mean it's it's weird. 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:52.439 It's weird. 1:31:52.560 --> 1:31:56.040 Well, the guy like that plays roche like younger was 1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:58.280 like more handsome, Like you could kind of see why 1:31:58.320 --> 1:32:02.120 people were like in old photos of him, he looks 1:32:02.200 --> 1:32:06.519 like a sort of handsome Republican looking dude, you know, 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:09.080 when he's younger. In the one picture that comes up 1:32:09.080 --> 1:32:10.400 when you first google him, he kind of looks like 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:13.559 Steve Carell from the Office. But I agree the guy 1:32:13.560 --> 1:32:16.080 from the episode was not really moving anything from moving 1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:19.839 the needle for me, but uh yeah, they're. 1:32:19.640 --> 1:32:24.760 Just you're right, it's so that Levitt woman, Yeah, just 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:28.840 like wanting in to this institution that like is based 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:30.360 on your subjugation. 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:34.120 Totally, and it's like she yeah and she was probably 1:32:34.160 --> 1:32:36.160 like but people said she did a lot of his 1:32:36.240 --> 1:32:38.920 ghost writing. She wrote speeches for him, like she was 1:32:39.040 --> 1:32:45.240 super important to his operation, and whether or not he 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:49.160 was had feelings for her, he kept this affair up, 1:32:49.320 --> 1:32:52.439 you know. Yeah, but in the show it's two years. 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:56.519 In reality, they said it's nineteen years. Like since she was. 1:32:57.640 --> 1:32:59.960 She's a psycho, like moving people in and out of 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:01.320 this mansion on Whims. 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:06.040 It's like so weird. Vindictive, creep creepy creep. 1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:09.000 Yeah, and they and like the National Review and a 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:10.960 bunch of like places talk to like a lot of 1:33:10.960 --> 1:33:13.479 professors that like they talk to in the episode, people 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:16.280 that acted that he acts just because they disagreed with him, 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:19.240 and stuff like when that it's crazy, this is a 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:22.639 season one episode. And that guy's like, yeah, the Origin 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:24.320 of species is when I had to bounce when they 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:25.800 got rid of the Origin of species. And here we 1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:29.160 are twenty five years later, and we're getting rid of 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:31.799 books about evolution, We're getting rid of books about slavery. 1:33:31.920 --> 1:33:36.639 We're let you know, this show a fucking fortune teller like. 1:33:36.760 --> 1:33:41.439 Never learns, no one ever, yeah turns. But no guests 1:33:41.479 --> 1:33:42.560 on this one. 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:50.200 So let's just dive right into that postpartum baby. I 1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:54.000 liked doing this episode Misleader season one. I mean, I 1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:55.920 like going back to the oldies where I sort of 1:33:55.960 --> 1:33:58.240 I know I've seen it like three times four times, 1:33:58.280 --> 1:33:59.960 but like I forget a little. 1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:02.880 I'm saying it's already it's already out of my head. 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:04.599 I'll watch it right now and not know what happens 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:07.560 that I remember that man's mustache. 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:11.040 That's uh, that's for sure. Just the guy that they cast. 1:34:11.320 --> 1:34:13.080 I don't mean to judge people's looks, but it's like, 1:34:13.120 --> 1:34:14.559 this is not the man to throw your whole life 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:14.840 away for. 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:16.360 But that's no. 1:34:16.439 --> 1:34:20.920 Crime too, fun, Like, we're not even talking physical appearance. 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:26.000 Like if this dude, you know, made cool, I don't 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:27.600 know resin puppet. 1:34:27.320 --> 1:34:29.920 Like, I don't even know. We wouldn't like that either. 1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:33.160 That's what you're leaving your family, but you're throwing it 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:34.599 all away for the Resin puppet guy. 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:35.920 It's not this guy. 1:34:36.000 --> 1:34:38.000 But if this guy was a fun chef or like 1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:40.479 fought for civil rights, it'd be one thing. But he's 1:34:40.520 --> 1:34:46.480 also like this conservative Christian kind of hypocrite stealing money, 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:50.000 like you know, he also has all these bad qualities 1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:53.680 that make him gross, because if he just had a 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:56.080 little flare, we might all want to fuck him. 1:34:56.320 --> 1:34:59.880 Yeah yeah, no, and it's all men are foul a. 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:03.280 You know, it's men or it's they're human. 1:35:03.400 --> 1:35:04.400 Yeah, but then they. 1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:08.160 Watched this like upsetting wife just like sitting there like 1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:11.519 always always bored in the corner is knowing this dude 1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:12.559 is the worst. 1:35:13.040 --> 1:35:14.720 Yeah yeah, so. 1:35:14.760 --> 1:35:19.280 Stop impregnating your son's lovers, Like, do we have ways 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:21.960 to get that not to happen. That's like the biggest 1:35:21.960 --> 1:35:25.519 advice I have for as few families, like stop fucking 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:27.280 your kids' spouses. 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:30.360 Jesus, you're lucky. 1:35:30.439 --> 1:35:32.559 What didn't you You're lucky one of you didn't end 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:36.759 up falling off of a fucking a hug that turns 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:39.839 into a dive off of a building like in trade. 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:43.799 But listen, this case was crazy. 1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:46.240 I mean, like, this happened all while I was like 1:35:46.640 --> 1:35:50.160 about to go to college what like, and uh definitely 1:35:50.240 --> 1:35:53.080 wasn't looking at Hillsdale as a possible college, but I 1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:56.000 was very interested. It's just it is crazy to me, 1:35:56.200 --> 1:35:58.519 so many years later, all this kind of shit still 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:01.760 goes on, these airline leave it types that are like 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:04.479 I'm gonna be the best, Like even though they they 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:07.639 have so much many regressive ideas about women and women's 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:09.680 role in the family, there's always these women at the 1:36:09.680 --> 1:36:14.360 head of it that are like the Serena from Oh 1:36:14.400 --> 1:36:17.639 my God, I'm So Sorry, the Serena from Handmaid's Tailed Energy, 1:36:17.680 --> 1:36:19.280 where it's like you're gonna tell all the women how 1:36:19.280 --> 1:36:22.000 to live, but you're gonna be the figurehead. Like all 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:25.800 I'm constantly they all get all of these motherfuckers, like 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:29.400 the guy that's the real life dugger head cult guy. 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:34.679 Yeah uh, single single pedophile telling everyone to get married 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:38.440 and have kids. I'm thinking about all the the the 1:36:38.560 --> 1:36:41.559 women right wingers who are like, yeah, the chod works 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:43.760 and go home and god lives that say don't work, 1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:46.080 but then make millions of dollars or thousand, hundreds of 1:36:46.120 --> 1:36:48.639 thousand of dollars on Instagram telling people not to work 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:50.160 like that you're working, you know. 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:51.800 Yeah, like are you even a virgin? 1:36:52.320 --> 1:36:57.240 I just I get if you're abused, like wanting power 1:36:57.360 --> 1:37:00.559 to go towards power, but it's like we really need 1:37:00.600 --> 1:37:05.760 to break the cycle. Yeah, yeah, this whole like that's 1:37:05.760 --> 1:37:08.519 why old school, like these men are lame. 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:14.200 Get them out of our lives, and the women because they. 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:16.240 Become more evil because they're trying to suck up to 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:19.280 a man who'll never respect them. Like that's the thing. 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:21.640 It's like the Serene. I don't watch Handmaid's Tails, so 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:23.920 tell me if I'm fully off. But it's like you're 1:37:23.960 --> 1:37:27.639 trying to earn the respect and love of this person 1:37:27.680 --> 1:37:30.720 who doesn't see you as humans. So then you're like 1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:33.800 being awful to your people for a person. 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:37.559 Who'll never they don't care. Yeah, they'll never choose you. 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:39.479 They're never gonna pick you. 1:37:41.000 --> 1:37:43.920 I don't know. It's all very upseting. I mean, i've known. 1:37:44.360 --> 1:37:46.920 Are they any more anti religious podcasts than us? I 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:49.320 don't know. I don't have a number one anti religion 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:55.800 Merry Christmas everyone. Well, No, it's like. 1:37:55.800 --> 1:37:58.960 It's like, I respect anybody that wants to have religion 1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:00.679 in their life in a way that it doesn't affect 1:38:00.760 --> 1:38:03.240 it doesn't get forced on other people. If religion gives 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:06.320 you hope and makes you help other people, wonderful. I 1:38:06.360 --> 1:38:08.000 just don't want it to be forced on other people. 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:10.240 And I don't want it in our government. And I'm 1:38:10.280 --> 1:38:13.000 so sick of people calling this a Christian nation when it's. 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:16.800 Not, and making women feel inferior in themselves. Like to 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:21.559 call yourself a rib is crazy, Yes, Like to think 1:38:21.600 --> 1:38:24.200 that you're not a full human with wants and needs 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:26.880 and passions that you have to like succumb to the 1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:27.840 needs of someone else. 1:38:27.880 --> 1:38:29.599 I don't get that. I don't get that. I don't 1:38:29.600 --> 1:38:29.840 know why. 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:32.640 Yeah, But the thing that I have, I said this 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:35.200 on this pod before, like all these crowd wise like 1:38:35.400 --> 1:38:37.920 maybe they have a kink and they just don't get it, 1:38:38.040 --> 1:38:40.719 Like I think they might be just subs and sex 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:43.840 and I'm like, if you're getting off on it, I'm 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:44.400 into it. 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:46.680 But if you're just like iron and if it's just 1:38:46.720 --> 1:38:48.280 what you want, it's like that's the thing. 1:38:48.360 --> 1:38:51.200 They they're like, what's so bad about promoting the family 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:53.479 and being a mom? It's like nothing, nothing, I have nothing, 1:38:53.560 --> 1:38:55.120 no problem with it. I have a problem with you 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:56.760 like going on and being like this is where we 1:38:56.800 --> 1:38:57.280 all belong. 1:38:57.400 --> 1:38:58.160 Well, I actually have an. 1:38:58.080 --> 1:39:01.120 All problem because if you're having and then you're making 1:39:01.160 --> 1:39:03.360 them cook and set the table and do all these 1:39:03.360 --> 1:39:05.640 things and raising them in this way and giving your 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:06.719 boys freedom, that's. 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:07.360 A problem for me. 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:10.320 Like, well, right, you could choose to be a mother, yeah, 1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:12.600 and stay at home and do all that, but I 1:39:12.640 --> 1:39:16.240 don't trust you cannot. I don't think it's fair to 1:39:16.320 --> 1:39:17.920 force that on a girl, or like, oh, we need 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:20.559 an daughter so she could take care of these other kids. 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:22.680 Yeah, I mean like plenty of us grew up with 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:25.360 stay at home moms. Not me, but like other people 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:26.880 grew up with stay at home moms and then they 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:28.280 went on to become doctors and lawyers. 1:39:28.320 --> 1:39:30.320 So it's not like just because you choose. 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:32.160 That doesn't mean it's what you force on your kids, 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:34.240 and it doesn't mean you know it shouldn't be. That's 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:36.519 where I also have a problem, you know, like you 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:38.639 can just be like, for me, I've never been into 1:39:38.640 --> 1:39:40.439 the rat race. I've never been into going into an 1:39:40.439 --> 1:39:42.519 office and working and. 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:42.519 That's not for me. 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:44.400 My whole life is about having my kids and cooking 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:45.160 and that's what I want to do. 1:39:45.320 --> 1:39:46.000 But you better be. 1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:47.799 Raising your kids to know that they have the option 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:50.680 to go do be astronauts if they fucking want, you know. 1:39:50.840 --> 1:39:53.439 Now, And that's that's the thing. It's like wanting to do. 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:57.200 That's incredible, But if it's indoctrinating, and like, how much 1:39:57.240 --> 1:39:59.959 freedom do you have? And if you leave this lifestyle, 1:40:00.280 --> 1:40:02.920 will your parents still like you or not? Like is 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:04.920 it full rejection if you don't want to do that? 1:40:05.880 --> 1:40:06.080 You know? 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:08.599 But also we have to be checking our bias. I mean, 1:40:08.640 --> 1:40:10.160 I'm not a parent, but you have to check your 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:13.960 own biases constantly to make sure you're like, are you 1:40:14.040 --> 1:40:17.599 making sure that the boys set the table too? Are 1:40:17.640 --> 1:40:21.120 you making sure that like the boys are being respectful 1:40:21.120 --> 1:40:25.080 of their bodies and selves in junior high? That there 1:40:25.080 --> 1:40:29.439 are virginities tied to their worth, you know, like, but 1:40:29.520 --> 1:40:31.960 you're but also you have a kid, you think you 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:33.799 know best. Of course you want to raise your kids 1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:36.200 to feel the way you know. I don't know, it 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:39.760 seems complicated. It seems really hard to let your kid 1:40:39.880 --> 1:40:41.120 be the human that they are. 1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:45.040 Yeah, when yeah, you have to check yourself a lot 1:40:45.240 --> 1:40:45.719 you want. 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:49.040 Of course, as a parent, I understand the thing of like, no, 1:40:49.280 --> 1:40:50.559 like what I like, do what I'm. 1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:52.320 Doing, you don't like me? 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:56.439 It's great, So I understand that instinct. But it's like 1:40:56.680 --> 1:41:02.400 kids are individuals. Yeah, and I don't know. That's the 1:41:02.439 --> 1:41:05.320 whole thing is, like, I don't think I'm I don't know. 1:41:05.439 --> 1:41:07.400 I'm not trying to tell anybody to do anything. And 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:09.599 that's like what is annoying to me about that side 1:41:09.600 --> 1:41:12.040 of the aisle is that not only do they want 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:13.479 to do something, but they want everyone else to do 1:41:13.560 --> 1:41:16.160 it too. And I feel like that just makes me 1:41:16.200 --> 1:41:16.840 hate it, you know. 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:18.519 Yeah, why am I not like that? 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:20.840 I don't want any of these things, and I would 1:41:20.840 --> 1:41:24.160 never take it away from others. Yeah, unless you don't 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:26.280 let your daughter have an abortion and she wants it 1:41:26.320 --> 1:41:27.240 and I'll help her. 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:31.960 Yeah, I will get if you give her my personal number, 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:34.400 I'm taking her, all right? 1:41:34.439 --> 1:41:36.080 Should we move into you? 1:41:36.800 --> 1:41:36.840 Like? 1:41:36.880 --> 1:41:38.599 I don't know if people could keep listening to our podcast. 1:41:38.640 --> 1:41:40.120 I feel like I beat a dead horse of the 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:41.799 same six opinions every day. 1:41:41.960 --> 1:41:44.920 I think everybody's frustrated and hopefully and most of them 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:47.080 write us and tell us like it helps me get 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:48.639 through the day that you guys feel the same way. 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:51.760 I look, Look, if we're still doing this podcast in 1:41:51.840 --> 1:41:54.800 ten years, hopefully there'll be a better outlook. We'll all 1:41:54.840 --> 1:41:57.840 be like, isn't it great that everything's working perfectly and 1:41:57.880 --> 1:42:02.960 we're practically a socialist society? But we'll see. I don't 1:42:02.960 --> 1:42:06.360 have high hopes for that. Okay, let's get into our 1:42:06.520 --> 1:42:09.040 what would Sister Peg do? This is our This is 1:42:09.120 --> 1:42:11.320 as religious as we get, as religious as we get 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:13.679 is what would Sister Peg do? This? None who helps 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:18.040 sex workers on a fictional nun. There's our segment where 1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:22.719 we direct you to an organization, an article, a book, 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:24.880 a movie, something to give you more information about what 1:42:24.880 --> 1:42:28.240 we talked about today, and listen. There's not really it's 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:31.240 a season one. I wouldn't say that there's any charities 1:42:31.280 --> 1:42:34.520 I can point you to for people that are accidentally 1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:36.920 sleeping with their father in law to try to get 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:40.080 gain notoriety in the Christian right. So what we're doing 1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:42.040 this week is we're gonna point you to Toys for Tots. 1:42:42.360 --> 1:42:45.799 It's the holiday season. Lisa and I are both big 1:42:46.200 --> 1:42:49.360 fans of getting kids toys for Christmas that need it. 1:42:50.320 --> 1:42:52.240 We've done that at some of our live shows before, 1:42:52.320 --> 1:42:54.760 had people bring toys. So the goal of Toys for 1:42:54.800 --> 1:42:56.640 Tots is to help bring the joy of Christmas and 1:42:56.640 --> 1:42:59.880 send a message of hope to America's economically disadvantaged children 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:02.800 through the gift of a toy. This year is it 1:43:02.840 --> 1:43:04.800 has been so hard for so many people. I think 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:06.679 even getting food on the table has been a challenge 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:08.519 for so many people. So if we can help get 1:43:08.520 --> 1:43:10.240 toys to kids so that they can just have a 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:12.720 little bit of holiday joy, how can we not do that. 1:43:13.920 --> 1:43:17.080 Let's get these toys to kids during the holiday season. 1:43:17.200 --> 1:43:19.640 So to donate, find out how you can host your 1:43:19.680 --> 1:43:22.040 own toy drive or to find your local chapter. You 1:43:22.040 --> 1:43:27.439 can go to Toysfotts dot org and uh yeah, Toys 1:43:27.439 --> 1:43:29.639 for Tots dot org. That's gonna be in our show 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:31.680 notes linked and it's gonna be saved as in a 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:34.439 story the day this episode comes out and saved forever 1:43:34.479 --> 1:43:37.479 in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page, which is 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:38.439 that s messed up pod. 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:41.280 Yeah, people deserve treats, you know, with the conversation with 1:43:41.320 --> 1:43:43.080 Snap earlier in the year, you know, a few months 1:43:43.080 --> 1:43:45.920 ago or last month where it's like eat beef and rice, 1:43:46.720 --> 1:43:48.320 it's like, yeah, I don't know, do you want a 1:43:48.400 --> 1:43:50.000 kid to have a cake or fun? And that's why 1:43:50.000 --> 1:43:52.360 I think toys for tots it's like obviously essentials. But 1:43:52.360 --> 1:43:54.000 I felt that way with the fire when I saw 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:57.320 someone donate all these squash mollows, like, yeah, you know 1:43:57.560 --> 1:44:01.360 there's more I want kids have, whimsy because I just did. 1:44:01.680 --> 1:44:04.200 I just I sent a bunch of food for food 1:44:04.280 --> 1:44:07.080 drives last month and I was picking like fruit roll 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:10.960 ups and gushers and microwave popcorn and red pepper flakes 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:15.919 and like fun stuff because people deserve fun. So yeah, 1:44:15.960 --> 1:44:18.519 if you can do some toys for tots, yeah, and 1:44:19.040 --> 1:44:20.000 heal your inner. 1:44:19.840 --> 1:44:21.080 Child, yeah yeah. 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:24.519 But brand name barbies are like twelve dollars, Like you 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:28.280 can get really cool brand names and action figures of 1:44:28.479 --> 1:44:32.320 popular characters for not a lot of money. Yeah, if 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:34.400 that's not a lot for you, no no pressure. But 1:44:34.439 --> 1:44:37.040 I'm just saying, like you can really make a kid's 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:39.960 streams come true. Whatever, Yeah, start a little drive at 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:42.160 your work. Let's get some joy in this holiday. I 1:44:42.280 --> 1:44:44.240 just just have a full on shopping addiction. And that 1:44:44.400 --> 1:44:47.800 is true, and so like, yeah, I'll I like loved 1:44:47.800 --> 1:44:49.559 food shopping for people that weren't me. 1:44:50.200 --> 1:44:52.439 I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna make the pancakes have fun. 1:44:53.160 --> 1:44:56.680 Like I'm like, look, I had to google. 1:44:56.479 --> 1:45:01.000 What's the best cooking oil because I have no idea. Yeah, 1:45:01.040 --> 1:45:02.840 but because you wanted to be multipurpose. I don't want 1:45:02.840 --> 1:45:04.840 to give someone olive oil with you know what I mean. 1:45:05.280 --> 1:45:07.559 But I've got I got people vegetable, but I definitely 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:08.479 have to google it, Like. 1:45:08.439 --> 1:45:09.559 I didn't get oil. 1:45:09.680 --> 1:45:10.320 Is that the same? 1:45:10.840 --> 1:45:11.520 Yeah? 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:17.400 It said that was the most like like multipurpose the verse. 1:45:17.560 --> 1:45:18.599 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 1:45:19.520 --> 1:45:24.800 Pop Season twelve, Episode eleven. I can't wait for this one. Yeah, 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:29.600 next week, come watch us. I'm uh, I love our podcasts, 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:31.080 so thank you, we love it too. 1:45:31.240 --> 1:45:35.160 Next next week come for Pop and uh and we'll 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:37.400 see you guys. 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