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Speaker 3: guys have the podcast together, right, podcast?
Speaker 1: I have Tz's table. Yes, sir, how long have you?
Speaker 1: I mean you're pretty you're like what eighty episodes in
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the stats guy on it. He's pretty good
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're over.
Speaker 2: If you add like the swart City podcast and not
Speaker 2: including the stuff we did beforehand.
Speaker 1: It's around like one hundred and something episode.
Speaker 3: And then we had like ten ten sold to the
Speaker 3: w W network at the time, so we had like
Speaker 3: Drew McIntyre when he was w W Champion on there.
Speaker 3: We had Rosenberg on their flat Bush.
Speaker 1: Are you like the only super like active active wrestler
Speaker 1: to have their own pod? I don't think so.
Speaker 3: At that time, they had like Alexa Bliss's podcast was popping.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like when it was on the network
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, and they were just trying to
Speaker 3: go Yeah, they were just throwing original.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the golden era of the WW. I
Speaker 1: missed the network because there was so much original.
Speaker 3: Like Corey Graves was popping on there too. He was
Speaker 3: doing really well weekly stuff. The New Day had Theirs
Speaker 3: and they were doing really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out to h I think is it the
Speaker 1: video game thing that up up down there, up down down, Yeah,
Speaker 1: pioneer for sure, freaking pioneer. Shout out woods Man. Are
Speaker 1: you you gotta be excited? Man? You're in LA. You
Speaker 1: guys are doing the Crypto dot Com arena, the house
Speaker 1: Kobe built.
Speaker 3: You know, it never been in the building before. Actually no,
Speaker 3: I'm lying. I was in there for a Wayne concert.
Speaker 1: Okay, but but never for a wrestling No, never wrestled there, never. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the big deal. I heard it selling really really
Speaker 1: well too.
Speaker 3: That's always a plus. That's always a great thing. Looking
Speaker 3: at this card, it should be like this is one
Speaker 3: of the ones, like this should sell very well.
Speaker 1: It feels like like all in it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: massive in terms of just like the amount of like
Speaker 1: what could have like like just main event after main event.
Speaker 3: It looks like they're like and that's the beauty of art,
Speaker 3: Like this is the This revolution is truly the showcase
Speaker 3: of what happens when you utilize this roster to the
Speaker 3: fullest potential and ability with like not only just in
Speaker 3: house talent, like you know, like Kenny's finally on and
Speaker 3: killing it, like to Ketch the Hangman MJF who five
Speaker 3: years of this company six years now, they never interacted one.
Speaker 3: So you got that, and then you got myself and
Speaker 3: Ricochet new to Do, guys that weren't here from the
Speaker 3: ground up but came through and we want to help
Speaker 3: this help with this product. You know, Osprey and Kyle
Speaker 3: Fletcher main event like copeing uh freaking Moxley for the
Speaker 3: world title, with a lot of implications between just those
Speaker 3: two matches, you know, and then you got the women.
Speaker 3: You know, Tony Storm and Maria made. What they built
Speaker 3: over the last two years is insane. The story they're
Speaker 3: telling right with the character arcs MoMA Watanabi versus Mercedes,
Speaker 3: like she's killing with the TVs title, one of the
Speaker 3: biggest women wrestlers in the world, if not in history.
Speaker 3: Then you have like the hurt Sydy Kid defended against
Speaker 3: the outright Outrunner. So you got the guys coming up
Speaker 3: from the Tag division that just came out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: got hot going against these powerhouse tag teams. So there's
Speaker 3: a lot of just there's like I feel like any
Speaker 3: of these can just main have any Dynamite or any
Speaker 3: pay per view every match for sure.
Speaker 1: You know you you in my opinion, and I told
Speaker 1: you this before, like I follow a w but I
Speaker 1: follow it very very very like you know online mostly Yeah,
Speaker 1: now that HBO Max is boom and it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier to get on the product exactly, But I feel
Speaker 1: like you had like, if not the most one of
Speaker 1: the most important title runs at aw because I just
Speaker 1: felt like, uh, just perspective wise as a fan, like
Speaker 1: it just felt like it mattered at a level that
Speaker 1: like it was like it was like, I mean, and
Speaker 1: then obviously you and Brian Danielson at Wembley Stadium having
Speaker 1: just a fucking insane match for you, man, your approach
Speaker 1: to holding that belt, and like, like what did you
Speaker 1: learn from that rain? And obviously you know dismatch with
Speaker 1: Ricochet's to be the number one contender to try to
Speaker 1: get it back, But what did you learn from your
Speaker 1: reign as champion because that was the first time you
Speaker 1: were like the face. I mean, you are one of
Speaker 1: the faces of the company, quite literally the face of
Speaker 1: the company when you're the title holder, But what did
Speaker 1: you learn from that time? Man?
Speaker 3: Making what you do matter in every sense every promo,
Speaker 3: every time I'm doing a social media plug, every time
Speaker 3: I'm doing an interview, like off out of the ring
Speaker 3: and on location, everything had to matter. Everything Like as
Speaker 3: far as like where that title's being seen had to matter.
Speaker 3: I had to put it on display, whether it's in
Speaker 3: a music video with Bun b and West Side, They're
Speaker 3: holding it. It's on a freaking lowrider, the freaking a
Speaker 3: lack you know. In the music video, I got to
Speaker 3: place it in like the news in Vegas to promote
Speaker 3: that I need to be here. I need to be here,
Speaker 3: you know, Nogel Sylvester, who signed BMX, rider, who signed
Speaker 3: with Jordan or have him holding the belt? So it
Speaker 3: is everything had to matter. Everything had to have a
Speaker 3: place and a purpose and a point. So if I'm there,
Speaker 3: it means something, it matters. And for that to matter,
Speaker 3: I had to matter going into that. So everything that
Speaker 3: I've done before that, like all the matches, all the
Speaker 3: jump ins, all the run ins, all the like the story,
Speaker 3: all the promos, all that had to lead into that
Speaker 3: meaning something. For that championship to matter, then the matches
Speaker 3: had to deliver. And I feel like that was the
Speaker 3: best run of world title matches to buy champion for sure,
Speaker 3: you know. And I and that's that's like, that's hard.
Speaker 3: That's a hard bar to like go against with you
Speaker 3: with Kenny and Danielson going an hour, you know, and
Speaker 3: Moxley and the Hangman, you know, all those guys, Jericho
Speaker 3: holding the titles before that, and MJF going a year
Speaker 3: with it prior to that.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a lot to live up to.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I got to be a I got
Speaker 3: to be a powerhouse, like like roundhouse, like just boem
Speaker 3: right there to the mouth, right right out the gates.
Speaker 1: What was your level of where I mean it? Did
Speaker 1: you have nerves getting into the program with was Brian
Speaker 1: because obviously he's one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: I mean he's an all time babyface too, you know, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no nerves. I mean, you guys put on a fucking masterclass.
Speaker 1: If anything.
Speaker 3: I had to nerve him down because we're like, you know,
Speaker 3: those shows can run long, and it's we have that
Speaker 3: certain amount of time window at the end of the
Speaker 3: pay per view where we can like go off and
Speaker 3: then like the cushion is like two minute window. And
Speaker 3: he was concerned about that, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: got you. I'll steer you where you need to be.
Speaker 3: And then that calmed him down because I was calm. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I always feel like that's my job, and that's like
Speaker 3: why I'm in the position I'm in because I always
Speaker 3: have like ice in my veins, cool calm collective. When
Speaker 3: I was tagging with Keith Lee, like I crack a
Speaker 3: joke and then our music would play, and then I
Speaker 3: go out and then he's laughing coming out right behind me,
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I need him in that mode when
Speaker 3: he's When Keith Lee's feeling good, you feel.
Speaker 1: It, the crowd feels that. You as a viewer, you
Speaker 1: feel it.
Speaker 3: So every opponent, no matter who I'm with, I want
Speaker 3: Tony at behind the desk to be like, oh, what
Speaker 3: you need, I'll get it done right, because I want
Speaker 3: him to feel like, oh, my performer feels good. I
Speaker 3: feel good right, you know, I need everybody feeling on
Speaker 3: the top, so I have to feel on.
Speaker 1: Top with some of the the darker I guess you
Speaker 1: you you're very good at being a heel, but not
Speaker 1: I feel like kind of like an anti hero heel
Speaker 1: if you will where like you know, I think back
Speaker 1: to like obviously early Stone Cold, you know rock when
Speaker 1: he was with the Nation of Domination type shit, but
Speaker 1: like you really dug in, like especially with with Brian Danielson,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that that in terms of like
Speaker 1: some of the material that was discussed, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Do you like do you guys talk about
Speaker 1: what's on or off limits? Or does that take away
Speaker 1: from a natural reaction in the ring where if you
Speaker 1: got if you snap on some shit that's maybe his
Speaker 1: family or something like that. Is it something that you
Speaker 1: guys go over. I respect him too much not to
Speaker 1: do that, Like, hey, where's the line? Essentially I know
Speaker 1: I know where it is.
Speaker 3: And if you're like a professional and like you know
Speaker 3: we're you're cognizant of that kind of shit. You know
Speaker 3: we're not to go it's obvious. You know what you need,
Speaker 3: you know what material you need to get the emotion
Speaker 3: in the reaction from them, Like I know that certain
Speaker 3: controversial things like maybe in real life that the audience
Speaker 3: is not going to know. Of course not everybody, And
Speaker 3: I don't need people going online to dig it up
Speaker 3: to find the meaning behind it. I'd rather give you
Speaker 3: something that this is what we present it on camera,
Speaker 3: This is what you have to work with, because that's cannon.
Speaker 3: I don't want to give you off canon stuff where like, Okay,
Speaker 3: our audience is twenty percent of wrestling, three percent of
Speaker 3: that's going to know what they're talking about now. I
Speaker 3: want twenty percent of people to know what we're talking
Speaker 3: about here, and like, because that's where the investment. That's
Speaker 3: where everybody's invested. I'd rather go for the majority of
Speaker 3: people that know certain things than that makes sense minority,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like it's it's almost
Speaker 3: like in a performance in a rap verse, like putting
Speaker 3: like if when you're performing.
Speaker 1: This, like you want to do the hits. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: want the hits. And like maybe like this little.
Speaker 3: Slide line right here is about like a dude that
Speaker 3: wrote something in a studio in the song, like he
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Like it's like, yeah, maybe certain people in
Speaker 3: the circle may know that, but like when you're performing
Speaker 3: and hits, you want that thing to boom, so everybody
Speaker 3: gets invested in that song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. You've done a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff with celebrities. Yeah, whether it's Ross Westside Gun
Speaker 1: bun Bee. I want to know your take on the
Speaker 1: Traviscott punch. Oh man, that's wild.
Speaker 3: That's a that's an exciting that's a very excited artist
Speaker 3: who finally got to do his dream right.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3: I'm in here and you're in there with the two
Speaker 3: biggest icons that we have left in this.
Speaker 1: Like a top ten iconic moment in wrestling history with the.
Speaker 3: Two biggest icons that's ever done it. So of course
Speaker 3: you're excited, and you're with the world champion of like,
Speaker 3: so this is the guy that's going to be the
Speaker 3: one for that era, for this era and moving forward.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of excitement, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3: And that's what happens when you get excited with someone
Speaker 3: who's not in our industry.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's an exciting moment.
Speaker 3: It's like, what the hell would we do if like,
Speaker 3: like I think you like, you know, like I mean
Speaker 3: a wrestler got on the stage and they would do
Speaker 3: dumb shit too on the freaking you know, on a concert,
Speaker 3: you know. But that's like not industry etiquette for you know,
Speaker 3: so it's just a crossover things like he doesn't know
Speaker 3: and there's no way they went over that, right, I
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't believe so yeah, I don't believe
Speaker 3: so and I feel like they like they wanted that
Speaker 3: so they could feel natural. Sometimes you want like just
Speaker 3: the natural reaction from other people outside of wrestling.
Speaker 1: You want them to.
Speaker 3: Just just be natural, just flow and feel because.
Speaker 1: Then it'll feel real.
Speaker 3: But sometimes that stuff happens and it's like, ah, too far,
Speaker 3: too much, you know, and you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was like on that golf course with Travis not
Speaker 3: that long ago. You were telling me, Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 3: know that was coming, but he was telling me. He's like,
Speaker 3: I'm excited, man, I'm training with Booker to just want
Speaker 3: to be wow, Like I'm he was more wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about wrestling and he wanted to talk about music, and.
Speaker 1: That's usually how it is.
Speaker 3: Like so he was like excited, and I'm like, oh cool,
Speaker 3: he's excited. I just I'm like, just make sure you know,
Speaker 3: take care of yourself and others.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the the heel turn. I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of people with the hyperpoli. That hyperbole is
Speaker 1: very high, like oh this is this is bigger than Hogan.
Speaker 1: I don't think anything will ever be bigger than Hogan
Speaker 1: because it changed the direction. Still talk about it right
Speaker 1: exactly literally like Save the Company started money Night Wars
Speaker 1: and is born like the biggest faction ever. He can
Speaker 1: say that because we saw the ripple effects of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what the ripple effects is exactly.
Speaker 1: We can't say that. The memes coming out of it,
Speaker 1: the face it is it's it's hilarious, but it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: how impactful is that? That shakes the industry? Right?
Speaker 3: Like does it? I don't know if that changes what
Speaker 3: happens over here. I don't know if it like changes.
Speaker 3: I mean that's not right. Yeah, yeah, we don't know,
Speaker 3: like we gotta.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it happened before he retired for sure,
Speaker 1: because he needed to see it. Absolutely, don't you think? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care to see it, but I'm
Speaker 1: just glad person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, absolutely, I'm just interested to see
Speaker 2: where he where he takes it.
Speaker 1: I'm so interested in what he's gonna wear, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he can't wear the colorful. He's got to like what's
Speaker 1: the fit gonna look like? What's the song gonna be?
Speaker 1: What the song gonna be? What's the fit going to be? Like?
Speaker 1: Is it all black? Like? Is like there's some MK
Speaker 1: ultra shit going on because it almost looked like when
Speaker 1: the rock looked at that fool, he almost had like
Speaker 1: some mind control. It was crazy. That was my favorite part.
Speaker 1: And then when Cody said, go fuck yourself and if.
Speaker 2: I'm if I'm him, I don't. I don't wrap my
Speaker 2: own song either no I don't do it.
Speaker 1: No you can't.
Speaker 4: No, no, no no.
Speaker 1: You've dealt with a lot of celebrities, is there, like okay,
Speaker 1: for example, like Rick Ross, Yeah, does Rick Ross know
Speaker 1: you're gonna swerve stomps like a fucking cinder block into
Speaker 1: someone's chest? Oh yeah, well he's standing there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was excited about that. So you're like, look, this
Speaker 1: is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, let's do it. Nothing's easy, too easy.
Speaker 1: So you guys have like a little powow backstage essentially
Speaker 1: like hey, this was like was there ever? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like Ross is like an aw like you know,
Speaker 1: like was there ever any like real discussion like maybe
Speaker 1: bringing him on as like a manager or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like him telling like you a big
Speaker 3: motherfucker kind of changed some things a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was like I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then like antony Kin is the mindset of like
Speaker 3: over is it? But he just keeps moving forward.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He's always said like, we can revisit it, let's talk
Speaker 3: about it, Like I like him less, we can visit it,
Speaker 3: But then this happens. Then this happens, and this happens
Speaker 3: and then the company is going this way. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll let you keep sharing.
Speaker 1: I would love to see method man. He's an imposing guy.
Speaker 1: His fucking jack imposing fellow man, and he could be
Speaker 1: I feel like Meth could snap on a mic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like he has a good He has a
Speaker 1: good voice for it, for sure. He has a great
Speaker 1: voice for TV, for radio, for music.
Speaker 3: I think for like doing promos and stuff in the ring,
Speaker 3: it would translate. And you know why I think you
Speaker 3: have that because we've seen him on def Jam and
Speaker 3: of course, so I think that's a great character. He
Speaker 3: Thats what I'm saying. He's a great character in the game.
Speaker 3: So I think just subconsciously we're all like, oh, just
Speaker 3: take what he did in the game where he just
Speaker 3: boom boom boom does this. I'm like that can that
Speaker 3: can like transfer right into wrestling. I think that that
Speaker 3: game has also done that to a lot of like
Speaker 3: I want to see so and so, and sure, I
Speaker 3: want to see this rapper Suh Joe getting the ring.
Speaker 1: Somebody did a like a recreation of Vendetta about it
Speaker 1: was like the Kendrick and Drake thing as hell.
Speaker 3: I would like to see like, uh, deaf Jam and
Speaker 3: then like somebody like because you know all the games
Speaker 3: are on PC and stuffs modem and put like current
Speaker 3: artists in that.
Speaker 1: No even like like I guess what they're kind of doing.
Speaker 1: That was but it's not a fighting game, But what's Fortnite.
Speaker 1: There's always you could be Snoop, you could be Weekend Travis.
Speaker 1: I want them to mod like deaf Jam because like
Speaker 1: they got to bring the game back. There's no way
Speaker 1: it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I've heard about I listened to like interviews about that,
Speaker 3: and there's like it's just licensing.
Speaker 1: The problem is is the licensing. And then like because
Speaker 1: deaf Jam doesn't have as many artists. I mean they
Speaker 1: still have all the old school guys like I'm sure
Speaker 1: they could use, but like in terms of the newer guys,
Speaker 1: there would just be it'd be a licensing head.
Speaker 3: And then and then there's like the like this company
Speaker 3: and this company are like, oh, he can't make this.
Speaker 1: Rapper look weak in this and he can't beat and
Speaker 1: she can't. It's too much ego.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, too much, way too much. That's why I
Speaker 3: was hearing the interviews.
Speaker 1: You were at the super Bowl. Yeah, and you got
Speaker 1: to see Kendrick's halftime show yes on TV. I was
Speaker 1: freaking the fuck out. Yeah, it was amazing. I was
Speaker 1: just losing my mind. I was at Fluffy Shot at
Speaker 1: Gabriel or Glacys. He has a Super Bowl party.
Speaker 3: Wowa was x Poc was there? I ran into Tech
Speaker 3: nine shout out of tech I'm sure he was there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I ran into him at the but I brought him
Speaker 3: on a w on an episode of Rampage once.
Speaker 1: He needs to do someone's theme song a Tech nine
Speaker 1: themes Incredibly, it would be in so good crazy, it'd
Speaker 1: be so good. But what were your like just being there? Man?
Speaker 1: Like was it? What did it feel as cool? Like?
Speaker 3: It felt cool? But it was just like it was.
Speaker 3: It was definitely a show and a performance for television.
Speaker 1: For TV because I thought that in my head, like
Speaker 1: if you're sitting up at the rafters, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: you're getting everything going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like in certain angles and stuff, especially if you're
Speaker 3: sitting on this side, you're missing the X part when
Speaker 3: you're at the x'es and like peekaboo, you're missing like.
Speaker 1: You're missing like everyone moving around. Yeah, it's a lot
Speaker 1: it was so many moving parts.
Speaker 3: So if I, like I was in like end zone corner.
Speaker 1: Could you even catch some Serena Williams krip walking. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Oh, that's like a little tidbit that.
Speaker 3: Because there's like fifty people over here, Trent like making
Speaker 3: a formation, and then you have like, oh, snap, there's
Speaker 3: a spotlight over here.
Speaker 1: Who is that? Oh I missed it.
Speaker 3: It's gone okay, and then people popping out of the
Speaker 3: truck and I'm like, oh Sam, they all came over Okay,
Speaker 3: there's something forming over here. So it's like as a
Speaker 3: live on it, it's a lot to see and like,
Speaker 3: but shout out to like the fact of like Kendrick
Speaker 3: being able to perform and move up and down the fields,
Speaker 3: four stages, all breath control and this caenus is probably
Speaker 3: one of the hardest cadences to hit and wrap.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and like on beat and like on an
Speaker 1: ear piece. I just like the fact steps it was easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just the opposite. I mean that, and to
Speaker 1: me that's what makes great artists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it definitely was a performance for the masses
Speaker 3: because like one hundred million people watching.
Speaker 1: All the hits he he did album cuts. He started
Speaker 1: it off with a song it's not even out yet,
Speaker 1: which is fucking crazy. Yeah, I'm like, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: he did it the way he did it. That track list.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he did that track list.
Speaker 3: Some people arguing about the track list, but I'm like,
Speaker 3: you got all right at the last super.
Speaker 1: Bowl, you got he already did those with dre Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's like and that was that was the big
Speaker 3: ones because like everybody, if you I watched that back
Speaker 3: again recently, it's like everybody did their big like like
Speaker 3: no more drama and like like like lose yourself in
Speaker 3: the club. So everybody hit their bone boom, their.
Speaker 1: Hits, hits, hits. So you got that.
Speaker 3: Like Kendrick just wanted to create a piece of art
Speaker 3: that was identifiable to him.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Be deep do other people's like shows. But that's what
Speaker 3: makes him him, that's what keeps him in that his
Speaker 3: own world. He's bringing us into our world. And for
Speaker 3: people that do know him and that don't know him,
Speaker 3: you're being introduced into his world right, and it succeeded.
Speaker 3: And for the people that do know him, we know
Speaker 3: why he's here and we know the song we want
Speaker 3: to hear, so you get.
Speaker 1: A bit, you get all of it.
Speaker 3: And so I don't know why people say, no, he
Speaker 3: should have done this, he should have done this. How
Speaker 3: about just being invited into his world and just enjoy
Speaker 3: the That's the best part. He brought everyone into his world,
Speaker 3: exactly for sure. That's why we listened to Kendrick albums.
Speaker 3: What's His World?
Speaker 1: Indeed, that's the whole point. You were at super Bowl
Speaker 1: with Mercedes. I got to meet her with Snoop at
Speaker 1: Snoop's release party, and I was just like, he like
Speaker 1: introduced her, like I was like, yep, yeah, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I know you guys are friends, and you know,
Speaker 1: her coming to the company was such a big deal.
Speaker 1: She's obviously one of the greatest wrestlers of all time,
Speaker 1: let alone female all time and important to one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: What are what are the things you think like just
Speaker 1: adding her to the roster. It's been over a year now,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously she killed it in New Japan. What
Speaker 1: do you think it did for the company? Bringing somebody
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Over It shows that this is a place to be.
Speaker 3: It shows, like I feel like when we talk about
Speaker 3: competition in wrestling. The competition is the fact that we
Speaker 3: can get that talent and we can also match the deals,
Speaker 3: and it's like it's an option. So when it comes
Speaker 3: to like that, that's where negotiation power. That's what makes
Speaker 3: Mercedes who she is, and that brings her stock and
Speaker 3: it brings everyone else up. And so yeah, and it's like,
Speaker 3: now it's for the talent. Now where the talent can
Speaker 3: make that choice, we have the option. We can steer
Speaker 3: the ship, empower and generate our value. And like Shannon
Speaker 3: Sharp said on Club Chase, she your value is what
Speaker 3: someone's willing to pay for you in your service. So
Speaker 3: now it's like, okay, our value goes up. But like
Speaker 3: Sasha Banks had value, Mercedes has more value now because
Speaker 3: of all Leat Wrestling existing. Same thing going the other way,
Speaker 3: Cody had more value because of what all Leat Wrestling
Speaker 3: was able to do and perpet same with Punk, same
Speaker 3: with Moxlei coming to aw our values increasing, going back
Speaker 3: and forth, Ricky starks to Saints, his value increased for
Speaker 3: them to draw that interest for him, and it's just
Speaker 3: only powering everybody's value.
Speaker 1: To go up more.
Speaker 3: So hopefully that increases the value of pro wrestling in general.
Speaker 3: So everything goes up, and so I feel like Mercedes
Speaker 3: was the one that does do that, do that big
Speaker 3: for the women right now. It makes Becky Becky Lynch
Speaker 3: look like a little hmmm, or it makes New Dago hmm.
Speaker 3: I wonder maybe it makes Charlotte go hmmm. I wonder
Speaker 3: maybe it makes all those top level people that you
Speaker 3: thought would never in a million years abandoned ship or
Speaker 3: look for somewhere else to go.
Speaker 1: It opens that door a little bit.
Speaker 3: That's where competition lies in this industry.
Speaker 1: So it did. It did wonders for me too.
Speaker 3: It brought my value up to make history in Wembley
Speaker 3: and then with the Dynasty and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she signed a pretty crazy contract. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: very very little bit of rats, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're with them. I think I read
Speaker 1: till twenty twenty nine or something like you're locked in. Yep,
Speaker 1: there's nowhere else I would rather be.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's funny say that, Like a
Speaker 3: lot of people say it's like, oh, that's just a
Speaker 3: pr he's supposed to say that ship. No, I mean
Speaker 3: that shit from the bottom of my heart. There's no
Speaker 3: other place I'd rather be and not do. I have
Speaker 3: bad days and opposed to good days of course, like
Speaker 3: this is this is a job. I have frustrations here
Speaker 3: and there, but I worked through those frustrations better here
Speaker 3: than I did in other places anywhere else in the world,
Speaker 3: whether it be Lucha Underground, mlw WW, NXT. I've like
Speaker 3: found Tony Kahan and me have always worked through frustrations
Speaker 3: and and I've.
Speaker 1: Always let you cook too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's certain times I'm like, ah, we didn't
Speaker 3: cook as best as we could have been able to cook.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm someone I'm not going to have ask that.
Speaker 1: Was there a match that you had that you were
Speaker 1: disappointed with? Were you thought the expectations were super high
Speaker 1: and you were like, man, like I did, it wasn't
Speaker 1: what I hoped it had been. Oh for sure. I
Speaker 1: felt like.
Speaker 3: The tag title match dropping them to Acclaimed could have
Speaker 3: been better. And that was one of those moments I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'll never go through a match where I left something
Speaker 3: on the table and I was like, no, everybody, I
Speaker 3: don't care who's involved.
Speaker 1: Everybody put their ship and I was like, I will
Speaker 1: never like, you don't have to do that again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't like y'all whoever can be like
Speaker 3: happy having that feeling like, no, not when you I'm
Speaker 3: in this and I have to like if I'm raising it,
Speaker 3: y'all got to raise this ship and like and since
Speaker 3: then I haven't had anything.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, there could have been more
Speaker 1: for you know you how how how scary is it
Speaker 1: to stab someone with some scissors on TV? Oh? Terrifying?
Speaker 1: I think everything we do is scary, terrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've done some crazis, but it's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: just I always tell.
Speaker 4: People for me to stab or be stack well both,
Speaker 4: but it's like, you know, I saw you had ricochet
Speaker 4: with the scissors and I was just like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean you got to be a real fucking professional to
Speaker 4: pull that out.
Speaker 3: You gotta swing you can't right, you have to swing
Speaker 3: that right, And like it was one of those I'm
Speaker 3: swinging through you, Trevor, because I have to get it
Speaker 3: back to him. And if you're giving something back to
Speaker 3: someone that got you, it has to be tenfold. It
Speaker 3: has to be bad shout out to Cody Rosa, Travis Scott.
Speaker 3: It has to be bigger on the comeback, especially as
Speaker 3: the good guy babyface, it has to come back tenfold.
Speaker 3: So with a prop involved, it's always sketchy, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a variable. Yeah, that's why, like me dvding Hangman
Speaker 3: on the cinder block on our Texas Death, he had
Speaker 3: to go back full fold with a power bomb on
Speaker 3: it at the cage to bring that back around.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the other thing too, Like there's not fake
Speaker 1: cinder blocks. People don't understand, like, yeah, I saw you.
Speaker 1: You know Maven he's got a YouTube chant right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like his stuff. He was explaining like the thumb
Speaker 1: tack thing, and so he just like went through like
Speaker 1: like are the these are the thumb tacks that wrestlers use?
Speaker 1: And he was like and they were just real thumb tacks.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, they're real. He's like, there's no, there's
Speaker 1: no like you know, bullshit thumb tacks, Like yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 3: And so it makes you think, like it makes you
Speaker 3: look back at like Orton going through that ship and
Speaker 3: his knees and Rick Flair having him in his elbow.
Speaker 1: That's that's really there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the cinder block's gotta be fuck. That's brutal,
Speaker 3: That's why I'm the only one that uses it. I'm
Speaker 3: the only one stupid enough to actually do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and did did like when you first introduced this,
Speaker 1: like is does do you have to talk to Tony
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I know this might be Uh.
Speaker 3: No, I told him, Hey, Tony, we're using cinder block.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's dope.
Speaker 3: If anything, I had Dustin Rhodes as like producer on it,
Speaker 3: and he was like he was worried about the staples.
Speaker 1: Staples.
Speaker 3: He was like, He's like, can we just get that cleared?
Speaker 1: Can we just can we just?
Speaker 3: I just I don't want to, you know. And then
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 1: To him, he just started his own Uh didn't he
Speaker 1: just start a uh?
Speaker 3: To Dustin in general, man, that like he's been the
Speaker 3: guy behind a lot of my great matches, like and
Speaker 3: he always like he doesn't tell me what to do,
Speaker 3: but he suggests things and where they should go, and
Speaker 3: he always puts like a perspective on where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: now you got me really thinking. And then I'm like,
Speaker 3: how would you do it? And he's like, well, I
Speaker 3: would go this way with it. But he never tells
Speaker 3: me what to do. He never lets the performer like
Speaker 3: he doesn't. You don't tell the performer what. You don't
Speaker 3: tell the rapper how to rap.
Speaker 1: This is my perspective, what you want, this.
Speaker 3: Is what like you guide them, which is what MANTESI
Speaker 3: did with me, helping me learn how to make music.
Speaker 3: He always just guided me in the direction where he
Speaker 3: thought that me the fit me the most, instead of
Speaker 3: like that's where like and I'm glad I got that,
Speaker 3: rather than I sound like this rapper all that, and
Speaker 3: he's like, no, I'm letting you find your own voice.
Speaker 1: So how long have you have you guys been hanging
Speaker 1: eight years and then you brought him into the music game. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I did, Yes I did.
Speaker 2: Just so you just know, you just know when somebody's
Speaker 2: got it, or with somebody you believe somebody can do it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was just a random conversation. We was in Tennessee
Speaker 2: at a wrestle show. I was doing some commentating and
Speaker 2: one day I just said to him, I said, Bro,
Speaker 2: I believe you could rap.
Speaker 1: Bro, And he's like yeah, I was like, Bro, I
Speaker 1: just saw to see it. You have the look of one.
Speaker 2: So if you go in the studio and you and
Speaker 2: you try this, then I think it could work out
Speaker 2: for you. But the way I was raised is like, look, man,
Speaker 2: you have to get a blank canvas a lot of
Speaker 2: times and just put art out there. When you get
Speaker 2: in the studio, get comfortable with your voice, get comfortable
Speaker 2: with what you're saying, find out who you are as
Speaker 2: an artist. And the main thing I told him, I said, Man,
Speaker 2: I'm good, but I don't want you to sound like me.
Speaker 2: Don't sound like me. Be your own own person, because
Speaker 2: a lot of times when people do try to mentor
Speaker 2: or try to do things, they kind of make the
Speaker 2: mistake or want them to be just like them, and
Speaker 2: the kind doesn't work out because it's like, well, why
Speaker 2: are you having a car? Already got you so I
Speaker 2: don't need a car copy, I said, man, be your
Speaker 2: own man. So when we made all these all these
Speaker 2: records together, said Mandas, put the blank cameras out to you,
Speaker 2: direct the records and I can fill in because I
Speaker 2: know I know what I'm doing already. And when he
Speaker 2: started figuring out, each song got better, each project got
Speaker 2: better better until he got comfortable with with who he is.
Speaker 2: Now he's five six years into his career. So I
Speaker 2: just seen the growth. But that was imperative. I said, look, man,
Speaker 2: be your own man, bro be your.
Speaker 1: Own man, and truth be told.
Speaker 3: When like I first first started stepping in the booth,
Speaker 3: in the booth in Saint Pete with T, he was
Speaker 3: like the booth is tiny, so it felt like a
Speaker 3: psychophagus in there for me, and I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 3: it's just me. I don't have TZ in here to help.
Speaker 1: Me be in my ear.
Speaker 3: You know, you're tightening there, and it felt like it's
Speaker 3: like Daredevil getting getting into that freaking time that chamber.
Speaker 3: I was like, I felt I felt like kind of lost,
Speaker 3: and I was unsure of myself so much it felt
Speaker 3: like the wrestling grind started back over again, all the
Speaker 3: way back to year one. And so now I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: now I gotta find that comfortability. The same way I
Speaker 3: find the comfortability in the wrestling, I gotta find it
Speaker 3: in music. And it was without him I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: as quick as I did because he was drilling me
Speaker 3: over and over and over again, Pauls.
Speaker 1: And like just like making sure, like I just I
Speaker 1: just played that. So he was but he was just
Speaker 1: kept He's like like like he made sure.
Speaker 3: And then he also put me on records like with
Speaker 3: like Mickey Fax and John Connor and these are like spinners,
Speaker 3: and I had to go after these guys.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, what do I like? Where? Where's the
Speaker 1: where do Where's the gear that I shift into? And
Speaker 1: he would guide me into that.
Speaker 3: Then like I would challenge him with like music Soul
Speaker 3: Child on the record, and then like so he had
Speaker 3: to step back into like spinner, spinner spinner mode and
Speaker 3: go be vulnerable because I'm an R and B soul
Speaker 3: at heart like and music So Child was my favorite
Speaker 3: single of all time.
Speaker 1: He just recorded. He was just here two nights ago
Speaker 1: with music, so they were they had like a six
Speaker 1: hour session right here.
Speaker 3: We recorded with him in Atlanta till like four in
Speaker 3: the morning.
Speaker 1: We were like up, like no, we're not tired. We're
Speaker 1: here with our legends.
Speaker 3: So like getting him to be in a vulnerable place
Speaker 3: talking about those relationships we talk about like our girls
Speaker 3: are tripping, our baby moms, dealing with our kids and stuff,
Speaker 3: and like his health concerns and bringing those up in
Speaker 3: the records and being vulnerable and then like these introspective
Speaker 3: like past to go on to like Okay, we're down,
Speaker 3: but then we also coming back up and then like
Speaker 3: having like music really like watch him as his process
Speaker 3: and him just be like, no, that's good.
Speaker 1: Stay there.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so I am going the right way.
Speaker 3: Instead of being like no, no, that's no, He's like no,
Speaker 3: this is fine. But now he's just want to fluff
Speaker 3: and add color and all these things to it. So
Speaker 3: like I'm I'm blessed with like the cast of people
Speaker 3: that I got to work with flat Bush Zombies, like
Speaker 3: then meet like being on a record that we have
Speaker 3: coming out soon.
Speaker 1: We got some great wrestling bars too incredible and.
Speaker 3: Meach is just like so far out and he got
Speaker 3: me from like our first project when we did body Art.
Speaker 1: You know, he was one of our first features ever
Speaker 1: that we ever had on a record together. So like.
Speaker 3: Connor, shout out him, Shout out Flint, shout out shout
Speaker 3: out Clint Michigan, shout out Bumbe for taking Big Pressure
Speaker 3: and taking it to the next level. That crazy Houston
Speaker 3: co sign, you know, fire Man Prophet, Anthony King, like
Speaker 3: all these guys played a part in like truly like
Speaker 3: molding me to be something in the industry. I want
Speaker 3: to say I made it in the industry, but like
Speaker 3: I have a place in it now and I'm still
Speaker 3: finding my footing, but now I feel like I can
Speaker 3: just go into a studio like hey we got to
Speaker 3: beat on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can like oh yeah. The thing is, lastly,
Speaker 1: the thing I wanted to instill with him is like look, man,
Speaker 1: it's just confidence. Is like.
Speaker 2: It's like once you once you go in the studio,
Speaker 2: Like that's why I kind of threw them in the
Speaker 2: gall lit. I said, here's John Connor, here's Mickey faxt
Speaker 2: So once you know that, you can go with those
Speaker 2: these guys and hold your own and they're like not
Speaker 2: turn them.
Speaker 1: I think Mickey FAXTX literally might teach a rap course
Speaker 1: he does. He does.
Speaker 3: He's like one of them one with like that, and
Speaker 3: then like getting the advice back from him like Okay,
Speaker 3: I didn't do good enough, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Once I once I, once I heard the records and
Speaker 2: I heard the responses to those records, I was like,
Speaker 2: he's he's he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But one thing I like I'll say about like just
Speaker 3: not just music, but everything, like any type of like craft.
Speaker 3: And nowadays people are are really afraid to hear they
Speaker 3: did bad and something right. I feel like people are
Speaker 3: scared of that and they run from it, so they
Speaker 3: don't even try, or they fail or they're not good
Speaker 3: at it, and they hear everybody tell them they're not
Speaker 3: good at something and say they just stop. Like people
Speaker 3: ask me for advice in wrestling or whatever at conventions
Speaker 3: or when I'm signing meeting people, They're like, what's the
Speaker 3: biggest advice. I'm like, don't stop. You can slow down,
Speaker 3: you can go fast, but you don't stop. You never stop,
Speaker 3: because like Terry Taylor once again going back to him
Speaker 3: and then performance Center classes, He's like, you know what's
Speaker 3: going to happen if you quit, that's a zero percent
Speaker 3: chance that you get a zero. But you don't know
Speaker 3: what will happen if you keep going. You might get
Speaker 3: it too. You might get a ninety, you might get
Speaker 3: at fifty. But you know what you'll get if you stop.
Speaker 3: If you quit, you said guaranteed zero. So like ever since,
Speaker 3: in my mind, I'm like, no, no, I'm a little.
Speaker 1: Slow right now. Things are dragging a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: in a rut, but I'm not going to stop.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna figure it out and let the sometimes I
Speaker 3: let the universe come back to me. And I was like,
Speaker 3: because I've exhausted everything I can to it. I've given
Speaker 3: out everything. I've made the emails, I made the calls,
Speaker 3: I've been over to the I drove it, did the drives.
Speaker 3: I've been over here, like I've crafted this, I set
Speaker 3: this up, everything signed, everything's here, I've done everything I can. Like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna sit back and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: play my game for like six hours. I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: to the gym. I'm not gonna answer my phone. I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna make any posts. I'm not gonna tweet something
Speaker 3: out of just brain dead necessity or you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna add anything more because I've exhausted everything I can.
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna sit and then maybe two weeks
Speaker 3: from now that email out of nowhere comes in or
Speaker 3: we're going to here we like, hey, we got to
Speaker 3: show and come through like boom that dude boom he
Speaker 3: shows up there, like oh snap, that's what we was
Speaker 3: trying to get to. They just start coming to you naturally.
Speaker 3: So that's what music has been doing for us majorly
Speaker 3: over the past couple of years. It's like West Side,
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, Okay, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You've got his promotion too. That's dope. Shot. Fourth rope man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Zilla's got the belt right now, shout out Zeller Bro.
Speaker 1: He's next up too, He's gotta be He's next up.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised Tony has an uh you know, because I
Speaker 1: think he's been that show. You know, the inevitable. The
Speaker 1: inevitable is he's going to pop out, you know, if
Speaker 1: they need a new bloodline. Guy time comes in first,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But like he's been the shows, and like I was
Speaker 3: always love It's like like one thing I love about
Speaker 3: aw locker room.
Speaker 1: It's never like oh you're.
Speaker 3: Coming over here, you got the No, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it was good for sure. Like that's the same thing
Speaker 3: with Stephan Cure, like oh, come on, have this match
Speaker 3: show out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get a deal, You get a deal.
Speaker 2: Cares is one quick point I want to make, if
Speaker 2: I want to say this too publicly, is that I'm
Speaker 2: proud of him and what he's doing because he's you know,
Speaker 2: I told him, I said, hey man, you know I
Speaker 2: want you to take this church the right way and
Speaker 2: not only hold the hold the caveat, but also to
Speaker 2: like just support him as a brother too, because sometimes
Speaker 2: when you're too directly involved in it or too involved
Speaker 2: in it, like me as somebody to say quotation found
Speaker 2: forever and people say that. But the thing about it
Speaker 2: is like, sometimes I could you could be too invested
Speaker 2: in it, and it could stunt somebody's growth because your
Speaker 2: emotions could be too much intagg Right. So the first
Speaker 2: thing that I said, without all of this, even in wrestling,
Speaker 2: or when he started incorporating musical and wrestling, I said, bro,
Speaker 2: make sure you establish your own identity. I want to
Speaker 2: make sure that when it comes to anything that you're
Speaker 2: doing that it doesn't always have to have Montez's name
Speaker 2: attached to it.
Speaker 1: You gotta make your own. You got to do your own.
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of people are like, oh, why
Speaker 1: was it teasing here or there?
Speaker 2: He's fine, he's doing he's doing his thing. You know,
Speaker 2: he has to build his own, his own legacy. We
Speaker 2: have our legacy together, you know what I mean, with
Speaker 2: everything that we've done over these eight years. But it's
Speaker 2: also good for him to branch out, to be his
Speaker 2: own man, to take these these these leaps and bounds
Speaker 2: that he's taking it. So, when I see what's going
Speaker 2: on in hip hop and wrestling and what he's doing.
Speaker 2: I'm super proud of him, and he's taking it and
Speaker 2: handling it the right way because not everybody can do
Speaker 2: it without.
Speaker 1: It being corny or way is how are you able
Speaker 1: to walk the line without it being corny? Right? And
Speaker 1: he doesn't do that. So it's such a good job
Speaker 1: all the shit you do, because you could be the
Speaker 1: corny rapper wrestler guy and it's just over the top
Speaker 1: and it doesn't. I just feel like you've done such
Speaker 1: a good is a list of at I just like.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like just I'm just being myself. I'm
Speaker 3: not being what Swerves Strickland is. I'm being who Stephan is.
Speaker 3: And I always go back to that core. I never
Speaker 3: try to lose myself in either one of these identities.
Speaker 3: I find the core first and what feels right and
Speaker 3: like and sometimes you get lost in like, oh you
Speaker 3: need this type of record, you need a club wrecker,
Speaker 3: you need this type of wrect, you need this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but it has to feel.
Speaker 3: What I would say for me, who would I be
Speaker 3: in that situation? Yeah, I'm like, I don't talk about
Speaker 3: like getting shot and I've never been shot. I don't
Speaker 3: talk about like you know, like because that's not who
Speaker 3: I am. And that's also where he helped guide me,
Speaker 3: just like no, you don't have to just say that.
Speaker 1: Be yourself yourself, that's what happened. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's I mean, obviously we know a lot of
Speaker 1: artists of pop not being themselves, but like now, more
Speaker 1: than ever, the more trans like like the Internet makes
Speaker 1: everything so transparent that the artist, like fans know.
Speaker 3: What's your what's your view on that? I was like,
Speaker 3: what you want to hear or hear?
Speaker 1: I want to hear people be themselves like if I like.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the thing with Drake that I never
Speaker 1: really like, Like, Drake's talented, he makes great music. Obviously
Speaker 1: you know he's Drake, But I never was like a
Speaker 1: Drake head because I felt like once when he first
Speaker 1: came out, I felt like he was being himself when
Speaker 1: he was doing this like like so far gone to
Speaker 1: me was like Drake being himself. I felt like there
Speaker 1: just became this thing where he became like a like
Speaker 1: a tough guy kind of and I'm like, well listen,
Speaker 1: ain't why fuck with you? Bro? Like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like That's why I liked Kanye. Kanye was
Speaker 1: someone working out the gap and fucking was wearing polo
Speaker 1: and ship and like, no one else is doing this,
Speaker 1: So I like to feel like, you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you, even if I'm listening to some like
Speaker 1: clips or Push a Tear or some shit like and there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, push It. He hasn't sold cocaine
Speaker 1: for some time, but like, I know he did, so
Speaker 1: it makes the music great, like and I love push like,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think I think as an artist, like
Speaker 1: you always should just be yourself because then you really
Speaker 1: you can't nobody can call you out if you're if
Speaker 1: you're in hip hop and you're just doing you, nobody
Speaker 1: can use like that at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: I think, like when you put the mask on and
Speaker 3: you wear it for so long, it dies out quickly. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: Like that's why you see the three year runs, the
Speaker 3: four year runs, the two.
Speaker 1: Years as Like. I think there was that twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen like SoundCloud run where a lot of artists
Speaker 1: cracked off antics and like social media bullshit. That was
Speaker 1: a scary time, super scary that was actually really scary
Speaker 1: and it was just a lot of bullshit music and
Speaker 1: people were getting signed just based off of their Instagram followings.
Speaker 1: Like dude, that Supreme Patty Kid got a record deal.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. That's the kid who
Speaker 1: used to wear the Supreme headband. He used to score
Speaker 1: lemons in his eyes. Not a clue. He got a
Speaker 1: record deal. It's insane. How long does it last? No,
Speaker 1: he didn't. I don't think you put it. I think
Speaker 1: he maybe put out two songs in there, like straight
Speaker 1: to the World Star. But that's like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the era of music that birth like fucking six' nine
Speaker 1: and all that Boy, yeah you know Smoke purpose and, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah and it's like The Smoke purp shit was, like you,
Speaker 1: know nice, guy but like And Little, Pump it's, like,
Speaker 1: yeah what happened A Little? Pump he had a two
Speaker 1: year run where he was Hottest fish grease and then you,
Speaker 1: know now he's doing OnlyFans nineteen eighty. Five i've. Arrived,
Speaker 1: Yes jacob called the whole. Era saw it.
Speaker 2: And you, see like a lot of when a lot
Speaker 2: of artists get, bigger to the point if they don't
Speaker 2: keep that sense of grounded around them or within, them they.
Speaker 1: Start to lose touch of.
Speaker 2: Reality that's why a lot of people go back to
Speaker 2: a lot of guys' first albums because that was their most.
Speaker 2: Authentic right, now they're an album number, seven, eight, ten
Speaker 2: year in their career and you, Start i'm kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm thirty two. NOW i think that's what's great
Speaker 1: About LIKE i Think cole's done a good job of
Speaker 1: like Like cole's just such a normal. Guy it just
Speaker 1: happens to. Rap so it's, like no matter, what if
Speaker 1: you're listening To, coal he's never given you anything that
Speaker 1: is like his true, self you.
Speaker 3: Know to, ME i always that's WHY i always related
Speaker 3: to like A tyler. Creator for me, PERSONALLY i always
Speaker 3: felt like our career paths are very like parallel because
Speaker 3: like WHEN i came on the, SCENE.
Speaker 1: I was like.
Speaker 3: Nineteen he came on, nineteen and it was just like
Speaker 3: radical making some really saying some a lot of wild
Speaker 3: shit into an audience that doesn't necessarily like lend itself
Speaker 3: to hip hop and culture very, well skater like mosh,
Speaker 3: pit like a lot of like gratuitous. Stuff and for,
Speaker 3: ME i was LIKE i was like just finding. Myself
Speaker 3: it was, like, yeah he was rapping about some wild,
Speaker 3: shit wild, shit but he also had a lot of,
Speaker 3: competition Like Big shaw was hot at the. Time he
Speaker 3: said like that whole Like drake came on, air Like
Speaker 3: kendrick started coming, up so all these like also like
Speaker 3: that's when DOUBLE xl started like really putting out the.
Speaker 1: Freshman so all those never and, yeah he never was
Speaker 1: a friend.
Speaker 3: Ever he was never even played ON bt for like ten. Years,
Speaker 3: sure so he was always not. Accepted and that's HOW
Speaker 3: i felt in wrestling for like a long. TIME i
Speaker 3: wasn't accepted as like one of the best black wrestlers
Speaker 3: or that that audience and. STUFF i kind of, like
Speaker 3: just stay true to myself.
Speaker 1: And started just.
Speaker 3: Growing i'd rather start down at the beginning and then
Speaker 3: just do nothing but. This and that's What tyler. DID
Speaker 3: i feel like he really didn't start really start taking
Speaker 3: off UNTIL i would say Flower.
Speaker 1: Boy but, yeah Flower boy was the first. ALBUM i
Speaker 1: think that like it was, like, OH i THINK i
Speaker 1: think he got a lot OF i think he always
Speaker 1: had a huge fan base and he always Had i'm
Speaker 1: A wolf. FAN i Loved wolf And goblin And. BASTARD
Speaker 1: i love those. Projects BUT i think you're right for
Speaker 1: Flower boy was the first. ALBUM i feel like we're
Speaker 1: like people who were like BECAUSE i knew a lot
Speaker 1: of people in the industry who were just turned off By,
Speaker 1: tyler And i'm, like this was, Brilliant LIKE i said the,
Speaker 1: same BUT i feel like Flower boy. Was and Then
Speaker 1: igor was such a critically acclaimed that's where that's that's
Speaker 1: where it just. Become it became pop culture as opposed
Speaker 1: to sub pop.
Speaker 3: Culture, yeah AND i feel like that's WHERE i was.
Speaker 3: Around like my Flower boy era Was Luke underground and
Speaker 3: it was like.
Speaker 1: That was the hell Of war.
Speaker 3: Match but like even people talk about that match with
Speaker 3: me And, fox it was the match with me And
Speaker 3: marty The, moth The weapons Of Mass destruction match that
Speaker 3: really popped crazy and that put me on the map
Speaker 3: because it was like two guys that were just, like,
Speaker 3: oh there are some cool characters on the, show but
Speaker 3: they're not. Anybody and then just like, Boom it's, like,
Speaker 3: whoa we didn't know, that we didn't. Know now we
Speaker 3: want to see more from these. Guys and Then marty
Speaker 3: ended up going to like season, four winning The World,
Speaker 3: championship the top title on the, show AND i went
Speaker 3: to The trios and, stuff but people wanted to see
Speaker 3: more from. That and THEN, nxt, well ACTUALLY i would
Speaker 3: they evolve and. STUFF i started Beating. RIDDLE i started
Speaker 3: beating like, like start winning all these, Titles Davey. RICHARDS
Speaker 3: i started winning all these like these big indie world,
Speaker 3: championships AND i started getting in the ring With kenny
Speaker 3: and The bucks right and, overseas AND i started like
Speaker 3: really worse the best in the. World and then N
Speaker 3: xt came and then that's where that's kind of my igor.
Speaker 3: Moment and then ONCE i came to A w that
Speaker 3: was my call me if you get lost moment right
Speaker 3: Now i'm at, now right Where i'm, At i'm At
Speaker 3: Chroma Copia. Stag and that's WHY i felt LIKE i
Speaker 3: had to Wear Chroma copia WHEN i came out at
Speaker 3: full gear because that album came out like maybe a
Speaker 3: two great.
Speaker 1: Albums love. It it's such a great.
Speaker 3: Album that album came out two weeks. BEFOREHAND i was,
Speaker 3: LIKE i was, like what AM i going to? Wear
Speaker 3: what's my coming out stage at this point in my.
Speaker 3: Career and then he came out with that, album dropped
Speaker 3: the the The Saint chroma like teaser. TRAILER i was
Speaker 3: like that's. It that's Where i'm. At SO i Credit
Speaker 3: tyler his album and Like Story, JOURNEY i feel like
Speaker 3: we're very parallel with one another in that.
Speaker 1: Sense i'd like to see him at a wrestling. Shows
Speaker 1: wrestling is catered to everything he, is, SURE i don't
Speaker 1: think he's in it at, all by the, way probably.
Speaker 1: NOT i THINK i think he would have to go
Speaker 1: and be, like, Oh i've been missing out on. This
Speaker 1: you gotta do it at the, Time like what the
Speaker 1: fuck is? This why NONE i ever go to a?
Speaker 1: Show oh my? God this is like SO i can
Speaker 1: see him like tripping on the front, road just like
Speaker 1: what the? Fuck LIKE i.
Speaker 3: CALL i called him out on a couple of interviews
Speaker 3: and then like tagged him on a bunch of like
Speaker 3: WHEN i wore The chromocopia gear for the, Entrance LIKE
Speaker 3: i feel.
Speaker 1: Like drake had that, moment you, know Where drake was
Speaker 1: like what HAVE i been? Missing, Yeah i'm so kind of.
Speaker 1: Interesting they didn't show him ON. TV i think he
Speaker 1: didn't want to OR xo is pretty tied in with
Speaker 1: the wie with the other, company and, uh you know
Speaker 1: it was In toronto and The weekend has had the
Speaker 1: song for like five years political movements, there And travis
Speaker 1: and him aren't necessarily they're not the. Best who is
Speaker 1: right now with? Them twenty One savager our buddies with,
Speaker 1: him you, KNOW i THINK i was with twenty one
Speaker 1: twenty One savage And. Drake, Listen drake kind of got,
Speaker 1: deserted you, Know god bless.
Speaker 3: HIM i don't know if you saw like this thing,
Speaker 3: online the YouTube, thing there's a million thought pieces on
Speaker 3: one so, much there's so many thought. Pieces i'm like
Speaker 3: the tree and yeah there's one that's like a it's
Speaker 3: like a three hour jiant and it's so. Good and
Speaker 3: it's like like they used the, culture used him just
Speaker 3: as much as he used the. Culture because THEN i was,
Speaker 3: like uh, yeah like all, right, cool, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's. GREAT i don't want to talk too much about,
Speaker 1: it just Like i'm just happy that The euphoria was
Speaker 1: performed at the Super bowl because that's my favorite song
Speaker 1: and the whole. BEEF i don't think that one fit.
Speaker 1: THOUGH i didn't EVEN i didn't give. IT i was
Speaker 1: just LIKE i got It. Euphouria, yo when you do
Speaker 1: something like the gritty with the with the, shovel is
Speaker 1: that something you know you're hitting or is that Like
Speaker 1: i'm gonna. Fly you'll be surprised how MUCH i make
Speaker 1: up in the ring on the. Fly And i'll just do.
Speaker 1: IT i.
Speaker 3: WILL i will change the trajectory of what like what's
Speaker 3: supposed to. Happen AND i was just, like let me
Speaker 3: just cut, here let me go like it's another LIKE
Speaker 3: gps and on a on a car.
Speaker 1: Ride we know we got to go To. Florida we'll get.
Speaker 1: There let's stop, Off let's get someone to stop here
Speaker 1: at the. Target it's, like let's just go over. HERE
Speaker 1: i want some.
Speaker 3: Shoes you, want you want some beef, jerky you want Some.
Speaker 3: Wendy's let's stop. In BUT i will eventually get us
Speaker 3: back on ninety five and going.
Speaker 2: Down and that's HOW i knew he could do, music
Speaker 2: because if he could freestyle like, THAT i can't by he.
Speaker 1: Can he can come up with, concepts you know WHAT i?
Speaker 1: Mean and. MUSIC i knew.
Speaker 2: It you know WHAT i mean was if you can
Speaker 2: do that and like everything you say you might, do
Speaker 2: you just kind of do a three sixty for like
Speaker 2: five minutes and then get back to where you. Go
Speaker 2: that's a talent, man and make it entertaining for, sure
Speaker 2: and like physical, combat that's.
Speaker 1: Different.
Speaker 3: Man that's also how you find yourself playing arounds what
Speaker 3: we used to do as. Kids for, sure you played
Speaker 3: around with your friends and your. Brother you slammed. Them
Speaker 3: you just went in the backyard and you just you
Speaker 3: didn't come up with a. Plan you just went around
Speaker 3: and climbed the, tree jumped in the, sandbox buried, this
Speaker 3: found it two weeks. Later did this you like he
Speaker 3: came up with. Sticks we're going to sword fight. Now
Speaker 3: now we're gonna hide and. Seek now we're going to
Speaker 3: play hide and zeke like freeze. Tag now we're gonna
Speaker 3: do this like you just. Played and that's where you
Speaker 3: find out who you. Were you found out who that
Speaker 3: one friend is at, Cheats you found out that one
Speaker 3: friend that always does this but he's always too. Rough
Speaker 3: you found out like you found out your personalities as,
Speaker 3: kids and that's what you end up. Becoming and, yes
Speaker 3: that's what kind of, like either that's the glue or
Speaker 3: that's what separated. Everybody you, knew you knew who's going
Speaker 3: to stick around for a little, while but you also
Speaker 3: knew who was like, okay they're over. There that's what
Speaker 3: we do in. Wrestling you know who's, Like, okay these
Speaker 3: guys are going to stick. Together that's that's when you
Speaker 3: make the. Clicks that's where you make D. X that's
Speaker 3: where you Make New. Day you found the guys that played, around.
Speaker 1: They're, like oh, yeah, yeah that's.
Speaker 3: Cool but that's also where you find out who's like
Speaker 3: also the op that's where you find the seth rollins
Speaker 3: in the the. Shield that's also where you find like
Speaker 3: Like jericho with The jericho appreciation in society and the inner,
Speaker 3: circle who's going to split off and go these ways
Speaker 3: and stuff like?
Speaker 1: That you have you done his cruise by the way?
Speaker 1: Twice how is? That? Oh good? Time, money good? Time
Speaker 1: he was with? Me we performed? Money what are? They? Are?
Speaker 1: There are there women who? BOOK i just think. ABOUT
Speaker 1: i just think about like a boat full of wrestling,
Speaker 1: fans which it is so it's like, cool but it's
Speaker 1: like is it? Cool you know What i'm? Saying, like
Speaker 1: are there any itches on the? Boat you know What i'm,
Speaker 1: Saying like that are? There like wrestling with the ratio is,
Speaker 1: small it's got to be, great but they. Are But
Speaker 1: i'm saying and to, me it's like any women that are,
Speaker 1: THERE i would assume are they with their guys some
Speaker 1: you would think some of there for.
Speaker 2: Purposes and let's let's Say i'll say this that if
Speaker 2: there are women of a quiet taste that you would like,
Speaker 2: you they're THEY'RE i don't like.
Speaker 1: WOMEN i just like. One they are they're being. Occupied
Speaker 1: somebody already spotted on. Them that's. Right, yeah but it
Speaker 1: looks like it's be fucking, fun like to take a
Speaker 1: kid on or. Something, yeah, kids a family. Shit this family.
Speaker 3: Shit there's adult, shit like different floors for. It there's
Speaker 3: like fifteen.
Speaker 1: Floors that's.
Speaker 3: Crazy, yeah so's it's endless. Entertainment there's always something to
Speaker 3: do that you can't, like you should not be in
Speaker 3: your room unless you're.
Speaker 1: Sleeping that's. It they say that you are one of
Speaker 1: the wrestlers that will bring the best out of anybody
Speaker 1: you work. With is that something you're proud.
Speaker 3: Of, yes that's Something i've been doing for over ten
Speaker 3: years AND i feel like. That like a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't Like Will, osprey his gift is the five star.
Speaker 3: Match he's a five star match. Machine kenny is the
Speaker 3: best a bount. Machine, LIKE i feel like that's my
Speaker 3: gift in this, generation this, era like, like but a
Speaker 3: lot of those, guys that's kind of what separated me from.
Speaker 3: Them like they're all great in their own, senses which is,
Speaker 3: Amazing and that's always super hard to find what makes
Speaker 3: you great in this era because every body's.
Speaker 1: Talented for.
Speaker 3: Sure everybody can go you, know LIKE mjf is the,
Speaker 3: microphone you, know that's his. Gift Like hangman is the
Speaker 3: the just the defiant babyface and the best, storyteller that's his.
Speaker 3: Gift you, know my gift is to find what's inside
Speaker 3: of you and truly like grasp onto. That And i'm,
Speaker 3: LIKE i know exactly what to do with, this AND
Speaker 3: i know exactly where to place, it and THEN i
Speaker 3: know when it's time to use it that you didn't even.
Speaker 3: Know and THEN i bring it out and THEN i use.
Speaker 3: IT i use, IT i use it to EVENTUALLY i
Speaker 3: stop using. It and now you're using. It i'm not
Speaker 3: even doing anything. Anymore you're just. On you found who you,
Speaker 3: are and now you're just. Gravitating Like hangman's now we
Speaker 3: haven't touched Since. September now he's just. Gone he's just
Speaker 3: doing his. Thing and now it's transpositioning and transferring over
Speaker 3: to other talents throughout these next. MONTHS i feel like
Speaker 3: that's my gift and that's What. Tony that's Why tony
Speaker 3: found the value in, me because like HE'S i DON'T
Speaker 3: i don't just do for. MYSELF i do for. EVERYTHING
Speaker 3: i need. This LIKE i said WHEN i, said.
Speaker 1: Uh, damn you're The undertaker of the, Company i'll take. That,
Speaker 1: Yeah i'll take.
Speaker 3: That like wherever they put you in, with it's like
Speaker 3: it's going to. Go and it's also whoever you put
Speaker 3: me with. It it doesn't have to have title. Implications
Speaker 3: it doesn't. Matter it has to be about WHO i say.
Speaker 3: Ship it's like going, crazy it's who.
Speaker 1: AM i and who are?
Speaker 3: You you don't get with me unless you know who
Speaker 3: you are and that's the beauty of.
Speaker 2: That and surely not one of them ones in, wrestling
Speaker 2: unless you could be the guy without having to have
Speaker 2: the belt you don't.
Speaker 1: NEED i mean think about Like, Punk like right, now
Speaker 1: it's Like punk Still. Punk it doesn't matter if he's
Speaker 1: got the belt or. NOT i felt Like taker was
Speaker 1: like always that. Guy it never was about whether he
Speaker 1: had the. Belt At, mania it was like it's wrestleman
Speaker 1: who was facing, him who gets the opportunity to face it.
Speaker 1: Exactly it was like its own, title like its own.
Speaker 1: Opportunity we'd be, like oh, ship, yeah absolutely Great. Wyatt.
Speaker 3: YEAH i felt like that's WHERE i found who what
Speaker 3: my value, was because now you can like for the
Speaker 3: next five years however Long i'm signed here with A
Speaker 3: W it's, like, man there's so much more That, like
Speaker 3: there's so much other roster members that, could like we
Speaker 3: haven't really seen be brought. OUT i could probably be
Speaker 3: the one to do. That but it's also you got
Speaker 3: to work to get to. Me you got to work
Speaker 3: to get to that, point AND i need To and
Speaker 3: that's Why i'm very shelld away in certain ways on
Speaker 3: the roster because when you're a sweer of this that
Speaker 3: you it means something for, sure you know WHAT i,
Speaker 3: Mean AND i.
Speaker 1: Want that and it's going to be a. Thing it's
Speaker 1: not going to be, like, yeah you And ricochet obviously
Speaker 1: are going at It. Sunday you guys have similar, UH
Speaker 1: i would, say kind of trajectories with the old company
Speaker 1: in terms of probably you, know fans might, say what
Speaker 1: it was. Underutilized you were obviously under. Utilized he HAD
Speaker 1: i didn't even get a chance at least he had a,
Speaker 1: chance right at least he was like he had he
Speaker 1: had THE i forgot what the belt was called.
Speaker 3: The United, states he had a moment with The purple
Speaker 3: belt that he had never. HAD i thought he had
Speaker 3: The Whore's Your, race but he had a speed. Title
Speaker 3: the speed title is What i'm thinking.
Speaker 1: Of, yeah but how cool has it been to just
Speaker 1: work with? Him because he is a sick ass, Talent, like,
Speaker 1: yeah he's got a fucking deep.
Speaker 3: Bag AND i don't think people really really understand how
Speaker 3: important he was to wrestling in our, generation like the
Speaker 3: how serious and how big of an impact he had
Speaker 3: in twenty ten and twenty eleven over In Dragon gate In,
Speaker 3: japan him And poc were changing the business because we
Speaker 3: thought the athleticism couldn't reach a certain height. Anymore after
Speaker 3: we've Seen raymonsterio do what he did IN wcw two
Speaker 3: early two, thousands then we. Didn't we didn't think there
Speaker 3: was any where you can go higher Than Matt sidel
Speaker 3: Shooting Star, press even though we were Seeing Billy kimmen do,
Speaker 3: it you, know and certain guys like. That but the,
Speaker 3: athleticism just Like ring Of honor And Dragon gate and
Speaker 3: stuff like that when they were doing those, things those labs,
Speaker 3: together you go over To, japan you're seeing like this
Speaker 3: twenty three year old kid do a double moon salt
Speaker 3: off the top. Rope and before that on The, indies
Speaker 3: he was doing on Like Little Iwa Mid south shows
Speaker 3: in the middle of Like, Louisville kentucky off a ladder
Speaker 3: to the outside of people double moon, salt and then
Speaker 3: like he go to the park and everything they changed
Speaker 3: wrestling six. Thirties they're just popping off springboards like a
Speaker 3: Dragon kid And yeshino And.
Speaker 1: Masato it was just so.
Speaker 3: Much it was LIKE i never seen anything like, that
Speaker 3: and he just went like globally viral and then taking
Speaker 3: that to THE us WITH pwg and doing all the
Speaker 3: stuff that he was. Doing then bringing The osprey comes
Speaker 3: in from THE, uk they, merge and then they do
Speaker 3: what they did in twenty seventeen with the best of
Speaker 3: the super juniors when they do the infamous you, Know
Speaker 3: International Super international Super junior. Spot it was just, like man,
Speaker 3: like that's how big he was and he still is
Speaker 3: to this.
Speaker 1: Day. Now is like through all those.
Speaker 3: Times if you're a fan watching and following his career since,
Speaker 3: then you never understood who he was and what he was.
Speaker 3: About never understood the identity about.
Speaker 1: That that's. Facts, yeah you just be like he's a great,
Speaker 1: wrestler but why DO i? Care?
Speaker 3: Yeah or you just seen the? CLIP i was, like
Speaker 3: who was?
Speaker 1: That? Right do you? Like?
Speaker 3: Yo that's the guy who hit The Paul and that's
Speaker 3: THE i always wanted to, Like, OKAY i got to take.
Speaker 3: Away that's the GUY i want you to be, like
Speaker 3: That's ricochet doing. That that's how you become a.
Speaker 1: NAME i almost feel like that is more important than
Speaker 1: the business. Is if you can make people care about,
Speaker 1: you the wrestling could just be okay as long as People,
Speaker 1: yeah but this is a w we still have to,
Speaker 1: perform you. GUYS i would say A w is Like
Speaker 1: Kendrick lamar AND ww is like. Drink like you, Know
Speaker 1: i've always said that you have to RAP. Td you.
Speaker 1: Can't Just adrian from made that great. REFERENCE i was,
Speaker 1: like on the wrestling, front for.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah WE'RE, Td and like it's almost like you
Speaker 3: get the big box office movies and all that stuff over,
Speaker 3: there but over there you.
Speaker 1: Don't get green, screen you don't get. Wires can you freaking? Act?
Speaker 3: Right and that's WHAT aw is you have to act
Speaker 3: in order to perform in our. Films we're a twenty.
Speaker 3: Four the performances and acting has to be.
Speaker 1: Perceived is like the wire AND ww is like fucking you,
Speaker 1: Know Chicago. FIRE i won't even know in, order but,
Speaker 1: like but you can enjoy both. THAT i see, THAT
Speaker 1: i see what you're. Saying you can Enjoy, yeah you
Speaker 1: can enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Both you can enjoy both for sure and like and
Speaker 3: both are. Successful that's the beauty of. It it's, like
Speaker 3: it's just like and So rickychet's probably in my, opinion
Speaker 3: going to find more success with A w because his
Speaker 3: talents are going to be utilized and he's going to be.
Speaker 1: Heard he's going to be.
Speaker 3: HEARD i feel, like once you find your voice and
Speaker 3: your you are. Heard we know how to tapp into
Speaker 3: an emotion and people know how to feel about what you're. Saying,
Speaker 3: now every time he comes out instant, boo we, Know
Speaker 3: oh that's Ricochet god damn, it he's coming. Out oh
Speaker 3: somebody come out and beat This. Ricochets so now we
Speaker 3: know his. Name now you can do all the athleticism
Speaker 3: if you want, to if you choose. To but you
Speaker 3: have it and everybody knows actually he doesn't. Suck we hate,
Speaker 3: him but he doesn't, suck, right you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Mean it's kurd angle. Effect we hate, him but we
Speaker 3: know he can beat your.
Speaker 1: ASS i feel like that happened With jacob, recently where
Speaker 1: you're just, like, oh we're supposed to hate this, guy
Speaker 1: But Jesus, christ he's so. Good he's so. Good he's so,
Speaker 1: good he has always been, good so, massive but he's just.
Speaker 1: Flying it's just he's so, good he's so, good and
Speaker 1: he has a great body. Control somebody Like penta who
Speaker 1: you've worked, with, right, yeah how cool has it? Been
Speaker 1: obviously he's that always been that, dude but it's been
Speaker 1: like like he's he's obviously on a bigger platform now
Speaker 1: AND i feel like they're, like how, cool just as
Speaker 1: somebody who's worked with him two different. Companies did you
Speaker 1: work with him At Lucia? Underground, yes he was my
Speaker 1: first match actually it was a. Trios you, know he
Speaker 1: very well could be you, KNOW i think obviously there's
Speaker 1: like a conscious effort to kind of like him be
Speaker 1: the Next. MYSTERIO i hope.
Speaker 3: So, well you can't say, that but what you can't
Speaker 3: say he's going to be the Next mysterio because there
Speaker 3: will never be another and there will never Be and
Speaker 3: that's that's that's the difference right. There it's a, product
Speaker 3: and so they're trying to copy another. Product you can't do.
Speaker 3: It you can't do. It you can't make Another. Sena
Speaker 3: you can't make Another, dwayne you can't make Another ray.
Speaker 1: Maisterio he sure did try to make Another. Goldberg shout
Speaker 1: out to right. Back you can't do.
Speaker 3: It you can't do. It and we've seen it many.
Speaker 3: Times you cannot make another what that?
Speaker 1: Is but how cool has? It but just been to
Speaker 1: see him get this like like, THIS i.
Speaker 3: Mean i'm happy for him And i'm proud of. HIM
Speaker 3: i want to see where it. GOES i want to
Speaker 3: See penta Have penta's, lane and that's where the marketing
Speaker 3: is On penta Being penta in this and also shedding
Speaker 3: back and seeing like Who penta, is What penta, is
Speaker 3: what's the, motive what is the? Meaning what does he
Speaker 3: want to? Do what is his and how is he
Speaker 3: going to do? It that's what separates all these characters
Speaker 3: from being. Characters you, Know Steve austin wonned The World.
Speaker 3: Championship well so does he so, does he so. Does
Speaker 3: like this everybody everybody, want Like Mick foley wants, It
Speaker 3: but how are they going to do it compared To
Speaker 3: austin doing. It austin is going to drive a truck
Speaker 3: beer like he's, like you, know some some of the
Speaker 3: guys in that era weren't going to Hit. Vince that's
Speaker 3: just not who their character. Is austin has no problem
Speaker 3: Stunning vince or women Or grandma's Bob Ba ray will
Speaker 3: put somebody through a, woman a grown, woman an old
Speaker 3: woman through a, table you. Know but there's certain characters that,
Speaker 3: wouldn't like you know WHAT i, mean that's what separates.
Speaker 3: Them Jeff hardy's not going to do, that right because
Speaker 3: that's Makes Jeff Hardy Jeff. Hardy that's the motive, why,
Speaker 3: guys who's going to push the? Boundaries that's what made
Speaker 3: me me, LIKE i will go in your house now
Speaker 3: AND i Made hangman because he will burn it down for.
Speaker 1: Sure there's other characters that won't go that. FAR i know, You,
Speaker 1: uh working With Adam copeland's a big deal for. You,
Speaker 1: obviously he's one of the greatest of all. Time, absolutely
Speaker 1: there's a good chance you guys end up having a thing.
Speaker 3: This weekend decides decides a, lot, right and that's what
Speaker 3: that's the point of. This like there's two matches one doesn't.
Speaker 3: Want one depends on another correct and the other depends
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 1: Other that's the. Stakes but just the potential or the
Speaker 1: of just putting your brain in a situation where you
Speaker 1: guys have a thing, going, like it's got to be
Speaker 1: pretty cool to think.
Speaker 3: About it's it's it's, Wild like nine year old me
Speaker 3: is like you're up in that ranks of like possibly
Speaker 3: challenging guys that you looked up. To the REASON i
Speaker 3: wear long, jackets it's because Of copeland and, stuff and it's, like,
Speaker 3: man you could face them for The World, championship like
Speaker 3: in the next. Month the implications are there. Now it's
Speaker 3: like it's not far fetched. Anymore just like it is
Speaker 3: that same FEELING i had WHEN i Wrestled Raymond stereo
Speaker 3: and the Six. Man it's, like whoa wait a, minute
Speaker 3: let me take a step. Back i'm actually like taking
Speaker 3: the six one. Nine i'm actually like like Basing irana
Speaker 3: from The Greatest ever do, this and like it's.
Speaker 1: Almost like you're in, it so you don't you DON'T
Speaker 1: i always tell people, this, like, yeah whatever level of
Speaker 1: success you, reach sometimes you got to stop and like
Speaker 1: like oh.
Speaker 3: SHIT i always have made this metaphor Like i'm. Chopping
Speaker 3: i've been chopping trees for fifteen sixteen, years and like
Speaker 3: WHEN i first, started it was, like there's a, Forest
Speaker 3: there's no WAY i can get through any of this
Speaker 3: right until you start chopping. Yep and Now i'm, like,
Speaker 3: WOW i look, Back i'm like there's miles of trees
Speaker 3: THAT i, chopped and of like forces That i've gotten.
Speaker 3: Through and SOMETIMES i need to stop and just like
Speaker 3: and and and let me, yeah let me, yeah let me.
Speaker 3: Enjoy LIKE i might be done chopping.
Speaker 1: TREES i might be like a fourth of it. Left,
Speaker 1: ye there might be.
Speaker 3: MORE i don't, know But i'm going to like there's
Speaker 3: TIMES i got to sit back and Realize i'm, like,
Speaker 3: Yo i'm more than. Halfway i've like three fourths of
Speaker 3: it probably at this point of doing What i've set
Speaker 3: out to. Do WHEN i was a, kid you, KNOW.
Speaker 1: Mantezi you got a new song with The Russell, yes,
Speaker 1: sir stomp out man right, here make. Sure how did
Speaker 1: you guys? Connect?
Speaker 2: Man SO i reached out to him shout to shout
Speaker 2: out to his whole team Is mitchell shout to the
Speaker 2: whole squad from Good Penny. MAN i reached out to
Speaker 2: him and they are such, good humble. PEOPLE i sent
Speaker 2: him the record AND i didn't hear anything back for
Speaker 2: a few. Months you know how the game, go send a, Record,
Speaker 2: hey this is, what this is, what this is What i'm?
Speaker 1: Thinking?
Speaker 2: Right he sent it, right but he sent it back
Speaker 2: like two. MONTHS i just get a random, email like
Speaker 2: you said about sitting back putting the, universe AND i
Speaker 2: forgot about. IT i didn't think about. IT i just
Speaker 2: sounded as far as, email let me send it to.
Speaker 2: HIM i, center you, know he does his offer based.
Speaker 2: Thing hit him up AND i didn't hear anything. Randomly
Speaker 2: it just said stomp out Versu. Orussell hit me back
Speaker 2: to said hey you. Guys he, said, yeah he loved the.
Speaker 2: Record here you. Go and, honestly it was funny because
Speaker 2: when you hear the, record it was just his. VERSE
Speaker 2: i didn't have anything to. IT i just sent him
Speaker 2: to beat and it wasn't, like, hey just wrap right.
Speaker 2: HERE i got the whole.
Speaker 1: Structure he would send somebody like an open verse right.
Speaker 2: NOW i didn't do the open. VERSE i just sent
Speaker 2: him a beat and let him do it and THEN
Speaker 2: i worked around.
Speaker 1: Him oh that's.
Speaker 2: Joke so you, know the record has been doing. Phenomenal
Speaker 2: shout out to him man for the. Opportunity it's it's
Speaker 2: been making good waves out of, here, Man And I'm
Speaker 2: i'm proud to have him, man because he's the hottest
Speaker 2: independent rapper out killing it right, now you know WHAT
Speaker 2: i mean on one of. Them so it's it's dope
Speaker 2: to see that with his. Moves such a good, dude
Speaker 2: AND i watch all this. Content it's such a good
Speaker 2: guy and couldn't be happier for, him AND i couldn't
Speaker 2: be happy to have the, Record so it's it's.
Speaker 1: Dope you uh coming up In, tampa were you like
Speaker 1: influenced many of the juke ship like The Tom Gesu.
Speaker 2: Yeah tom G Man Tampa tony shout out TO u,
Speaker 2: mental that's how mental that he's he's my.
Speaker 1: Mental and THEN i linked him With, strizzle so he
Speaker 1: was the first one to book us to. Perform, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't think people understand like when you Like
Speaker 1: tampa has like its own genre of hip. Hop, yeah
Speaker 1: people don't get.
Speaker 2: It strizzle taught me the, whole the whole business side
Speaker 2: of the. Industry he taught Me shout out To Crystal
Speaker 2: strizzout out To TOM, g shout out to uh RATED,
Speaker 2: r all that, man shout out to all them. Guys,
Speaker 2: yeah it was funny because WHEN i moved down To,
Speaker 2: florida it was you taught me From New, york BUT
Speaker 2: i moved To.
Speaker 1: Florida so WHEN i.
Speaker 2: Moved To, FLORIDA i had a whole branch of other
Speaker 2: side of, music which motivated me and helped me in different.
Speaker 2: Ways it gave me a listen to music in a
Speaker 2: different way outside of just WHAT i was raised up.
Speaker 1: On, so, yeah when you go to THE i, mean
Speaker 1: the club's a little different there, now but ten years
Speaker 1: ago you to A tampa. CLUB i remember WHEN i
Speaker 1: first moved To, tampa AND i remember like half of
Speaker 1: the Songs i'd never heard of my fucking. Life And
Speaker 1: i'm a CLUB. Dj i'd be, like what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this? Show but everybody in the crowd knew that,
Speaker 1: Shit like everybody knew. It everybody knew.
Speaker 2: It, crazy crazy, bro you, Really i'd be, Like, yo
Speaker 2: the world is really bigger than what we think it.
Speaker 2: Is because there was times like WHEN i go to
Speaker 2: Sky piranha all them clubs and they be playing these
Speaker 2: songs and the whole crowd knows it and you might
Speaker 2: not know, it but everybody it's just it's bubbling in that.
Speaker 2: Radius AND i, REALIZE i, see all you need is
Speaker 2: one and even if it's, regional it can definitely you
Speaker 2: get people.
Speaker 1: Moving you got, something and then you're doing something with
Speaker 1: your bringing out evans and yes, Page yes.
Speaker 2: Sir april, twelfth they are they're doing a boxing fight
Speaker 2: just got announced In New.
Speaker 1: Mexico shout out to shout out to those. Guys.
Speaker 2: Uh they just had the press. Conference tickets go on Sale.
Speaker 2: Monday the great thing about it Is rashad hit me.
Speaker 2: Up that's one of my best, friends one of my
Speaker 2: inspirations That i've met and he's become one of my
Speaker 2: best friends.
Speaker 1: Now so he's, Like, YO i want you to make
Speaker 1: something for.
Speaker 2: Me so you, know he's been helping me, training get my,
Speaker 2: physical get my physical back, right and he's, LIKE i
Speaker 2: just want you to to do the song for. Me
Speaker 2: SO i just produced something for him and made something
Speaker 2: for him AND i, Said, yo CAN i come. Out
Speaker 2: he's like why don't you just walk me to the.
Speaker 2: Ring just come to walk me to the ring When
Speaker 2: i'm about to go Fight, RAMPAGE i, said say. Less
Speaker 2: SO i produced the. SONG i produced a song for,
Speaker 2: him And i'll be walking them to the ring during
Speaker 2: this fight Versus. Rampage they have a boxing. Fight the press,
Speaker 2: conference Hilarius. Rampage jackson's, hilarious funny, dude great, personality and
Speaker 2: you Know rashad isn't the same prosperous. Guy you, know
Speaker 2: he's more chill, now more. Orser but it's funny because
Speaker 2: that evens out in the. Promotion so it's funny watching their.
Speaker 2: Dynamic But i'm excited to go out there to be
Speaker 2: able to do, it and, MAN i can't. Wait, biggest,
Speaker 2: honestly the biggest placement of my, career, themes biggest placement
Speaker 2: live on pay per.
Speaker 1: Views like writing a theme song like how do you pull?
Speaker 1: For like are you? Like because it's obviously that's a
Speaker 1: that could. CHANGE i, mean there's so many theme songs
Speaker 1: that we could think of where it's.
Speaker 3: Right that's why it's important for rustlers to have personality for.
Speaker 2: Sure, Absolutely and the thing Is i've been doing it
Speaker 2: eleven Years Now i've been making theme songs for eleven,
Speaker 2: years SO i was. AROUND i started in twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: making theme, songs SO i was, around like in the
Speaker 2: exception before everybody was doing. It SO i started to
Speaker 2: SEE i had a formula years ago before it became very,
Speaker 2: popular you. Know so NOW i have a format of
Speaker 2: popular way that many people do, IT i kind of
Speaker 2: go the other, way, right you. KNOW i always believe
Speaker 2: that you have to make the song something that. Universally anybody.
Speaker 2: Here IF i gave you a, record a wrestling, record
Speaker 2: AND i gave it cav played us in the club wrestling,
Speaker 2: RECORDS i don't know if it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Work WHEN i lived In tampa And i'll be doing
Speaker 1: what the funck was the club in fucking On South Howard, Drink,
Speaker 1: YEAH i. WAS i used TO Dj wednesdays At. DRINK
Speaker 1: i remember one Time shamus walked in AND i fucking
Speaker 1: this is a black hood. Club he was, glowing faded,
Speaker 1: out played his fucking. Theme SO i got on The
Speaker 1: it was like the most it was Like, Shamous, Fandango
Speaker 1: Billy kit and, uh who else? WAS i Saw Johnny
Speaker 1: Pehouse he's back, Right, Oh penthouse great place, Yeah, Hey
Speaker 1: penhouse is kind of the spot out. There now it
Speaker 1: wasn't and now it. IS i heard, yeah and there
Speaker 1: used to be across the. Street was It, Dollhouse? Dollhouse, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah and shout out to the uh the spaceship two
Speaker 1: thousand and.
Speaker 4: One.
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Speaker 1: hibachi truck in the parking, lot right two thousand and. One, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Sir the Thing the last POINT i wanted to make
Speaker 2: was like IF i sended you a record AND i, said,
Speaker 2: HEY keV played this record and you'd be like a wrestling,
Speaker 2: record BUT i. Didn't you don't want to make it
Speaker 2: sound like a wrestling. Record you want to make it
Speaker 2: sound something that is, universal even if it's something for a.
Speaker 2: Wrestler you want to make something that's that's. Universal i'm.
Speaker 2: Not i'm not gonna say nothing about body slaming and
Speaker 2: suplex with. Somebody i'm not gonna do.
Speaker 1: IT i think the key is to a good wrestling theme.
Speaker 1: Song it's figuring out the part where the crowd either
Speaker 1: sings it to the top of their lungs or reacts
Speaker 1: in a way, yep LIKE i think of Like cody
Speaker 1: song or just all the great songs like you want
Speaker 1: to evoke, Emotion I'm i'm also like a, weirdo Like
Speaker 1: i'm driving around listening to fucking theme songs like their fucking.
Speaker 1: Album Sometimes i'm The i'll be, like you, know let
Speaker 1: me throw on fucking old school TRIPLE. H, sure, bro
Speaker 1: time to play the. GAME i always said BRO keV
Speaker 1: always said.
Speaker 2: This i've been making wrestling rap things songs eleven years
Speaker 2: of my, life And i've. TRIED i will never make
Speaker 2: a song better than Under Real Wolf. Pack i'll never
Speaker 2: make a theme song better than, that And i've, TRIED
Speaker 2: i have, tried but That Kevin, Nash Scott, hall don't
Speaker 2: turn you back on the wolf for.
Speaker 1: Hours the name of the old school guy who was
Speaker 1: making all those, songs he. HASN'T i forget his. Name, Johnson,
Speaker 1: Yeah Jim.
Speaker 2: Johnston Jim, johnson greatest, ear greatest, ear because he could
Speaker 2: do anything any.
Speaker 3: Genre cho That jericho break The Walls down is one
Speaker 3: of the, like come, On, BRO i was, like this is.
Speaker 1: COLD i want to hear this anywhere everywhere for, sure
Speaker 1: at any, moment that thing is. Cold for. Sure there
Speaker 1: is like a subgenre of like wrestling rap kind of
Speaker 1: shot to our, Boy Mega Ran mega shot To Mega,
Speaker 1: man absolute. Legend that's it's my. Guy we go ten years. In,
Speaker 1: yes my. Brother we're both From. Phoenix well he's From,
Speaker 1: philly but he came up In.
Speaker 2: PHOENIX i call, HIM i call him the undertaker of
Speaker 2: what we do because he was he was there a
Speaker 2: little bit before, me BEFORE.
Speaker 1: I got my. Shine so he was like the killing.
Speaker 1: It and then he's also got like the the gamer rap.
Speaker 3: Too, yeah he just Did current On New.
Speaker 1: Day, yeah he's fucking shout out to make. It you,
Speaker 1: know he has a Crazy did you ever tell you
Speaker 1: the story about how he ended up playing the drums At?
Speaker 1: WrestleMania he. Didn't he posts a video about, it so,
Speaker 1: funny he explained. It it was like the biggest accident, ever,
Speaker 1: like and then he ended up like being a part
Speaker 1: of the, band you, know which is wid that's.
Speaker 3: Wrestling you slip and fall into something and, yeah so
Speaker 3: you know somebody knows, somebody, man can you do?
Speaker 1: This can you can?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Yeah you guys stand over there just playing with that.
Speaker 1: Guy what's that? Face?
Speaker 2: YEAH i can't tell you how many things out There
Speaker 2: and he's, like hey, man you want to manage me
Speaker 2: in his. Match i'm, like, okay, yeah and it wasn't
Speaker 2: it wasn't. Called he just asked me to do, it
Speaker 2: like you, know you never you never.
Speaker 1: Know that'd be the funniest gig is to be Like Paul,
Speaker 1: hayman or to be like you, know you, know just
Speaker 1: a manager where you can just get off and not
Speaker 1: get fucked. Up you, know take a spot every now and,
Speaker 1: then you, know every once in a, while you got
Speaker 1: a little super. Kick, yeah while, yeah, anyway well LOOK
Speaker 1: i appreciate you guys pulling. Up Man sunday should be.
Speaker 3: Dope, Unreal like the bar is high for. Everybody everybody
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Speaker 3: kenny's on here to catch on, loaded come, Correct copeland's.
Speaker 1: On, there come.
Speaker 3: Correct it's gonna be, Crazy mercedes on, there come, Correct
Speaker 3: tony's on, there come. Correct so like and then me And,
Speaker 3: ricochet do.
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Speaker 1: fan and.
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Speaker 1: like scores and news and. Ship BUT i was, like,
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Speaker 3: Yeah so like everything's more. Accessible, boom watching in your,
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Speaker 3: that's where we, are and that's that's the testament to
Speaker 3: the growth of ALL eat. Wrestling man shout Out Tony,
Speaker 3: kahan shouting shout out Man. Surrey all you guys are
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Speaker 3: Tony tony brought me On Monday Night football AND i
Speaker 3: got to Meet Roger goodell on the. Field, yep introduce.
Speaker 3: Me told him like just got staple his. Face it was, Incredible,
Speaker 3: yo that's so. Sick, yeah play my song a big
Speaker 3: pressure on in the arena on the warm. Up got
Speaker 3: to meet like the Whole Monday Night football R g.
Speaker 3: THREE i got to meet Like Kurt.
Speaker 1: Warner it was. Crazy tony has been. Amazing, well, LOOK
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Speaker 1: a freestyle? Too oh, yeah, man, okay so we'll do
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Speaker 2: what about for your guys'.
Speaker 3: Thing we've been on a hiatus right. Now we're gonna
Speaker 3: pick back up probably in a little, bit but going.
Speaker 3: On it's getting once once once.
Speaker 2: Once my, man got that got that bells, like focus on, that.
Speaker 2: Bro there's there's eighty nine pieces of content dropping Eighty
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Speaker 1: Back we'll be back.
Speaker 3: There it is.
Speaker 1: SWERVE i appreciate. You good, luck. MAN i hope we
Speaker 1: hope we GET i really am. Hoping i'm pulling for
Speaker 1: you versus. Copeling that's What i'm hoping possibil result Of sunday.
Speaker 1: Results that's the.
Speaker 3: Thing you got some, results you got some, steaks you
Speaker 3: got something that you can't. Predict it can go any
Speaker 3: which way on two different. Matches it's all imployed for
Speaker 3: the next couple of shows and the next pay per
Speaker 3: view and where our championship is going to go for
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