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Speaker 1: But this time people are rallying behind him.

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Speaker 1: That's all changing. We've seen companies like Meta step.

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Speaker 2: We'll have more of a Senator Johnson in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: I hope not, but it is a possibility, you know.

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Speaker 2: So we've got one solid year or to just really

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Speaker 3: I think that's true, and that's why I also strongly

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lisa, the more you learn about the grotesque mismanagement

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Speaker 1: I'm like, pretty sure it's gonna lead to you, Bud.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Senator Ron Johnson, a lot to get

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Speaker 2: As always, it's always an honor. I love chatting with you.

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Speaker 3: Great day, take care.

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Speaker 2: That was Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate his time. We appreciate you guys at home

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Speaker 1: Until next time,