Speaker 1: Jensen has said to me that fan is in my
Speaker 1: top five favorite purchases of anything I've ever purchased in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: It is a remarkable fan and it's very quiet. So
Speaker 1: I highly recommend that both of you and it will
Speaker 1: keep you cool. I will send you a link.
Speaker 3: This is so funny. Alex and I had a huge
Speaker 3: thing about a fan on our road trip.
Speaker 4: So she got Instagram scammed, like you know how like
Speaker 4: Instagram sent you know you and I've totally been scammed.
Speaker 3: I can talk about that, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: But she was like, I was like, did you spend
Speaker 4: like one hundred and forty dollars on fans? She's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I got two of these fans. They were like seventy
Speaker 4: five bucks each. I'm like, what do what do you?
Speaker 4: Why did you why there's a trust They're amazing And
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the dumbest thing, Like you
Speaker 4: can buy a fan for ten dollars, why did you
Speaker 4: buy a seventy You know?
Speaker 3: These are these are.
Speaker 4: The most remarkable fans I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4: They're like battery charged. They fold down into a little
Speaker 4: circle and then they can become a floor fan. They
Speaker 4: can become a small fan. They oscillate, they have a
Speaker 4: remote control, they hold a charge for like forty eight
Speaker 4: hours so you can have them on.
Speaker 3: It was and it saved our life in the in
Speaker 3: the van.
Speaker 1: Why have you not already thought about putting one of
Speaker 1: these fans in your off?
Speaker 5: And now I'm gonna need you to send me the
Speaker 5: link because I need to get one for mine too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're amazed. I guess, I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't even think about that. I was just like,
Speaker 4: it's going to be too hot, I'll just have to record.
Speaker 4: But I guess it's just a.
Speaker 3: Regular fan and it's one hundred and four like it
Speaker 3: is today. Is that gonna make a different funny?
Speaker 5: So Danielle, Danielle and I we both walked down from
Speaker 5: I forget what hotel it was, and Jensen looked pretty
Speaker 5: well rested, and Danielle and I looked like we hadn't
Speaker 5: slept all night. And we looked at each other and
Speaker 5: she was like she sleep.
Speaker 3: She's like nope.
Speaker 5: She's like did I sleep? Like nope, And she's like why,
Speaker 5: I said, well, there was avent. She's like right over
Speaker 5: the bed that was pointing right at your face while
Speaker 5: we were trying to sleep, and so you're like under
Speaker 5: the covers trying to block the air.
Speaker 3: It was horrifying. It was awful.
Speaker 1: And the option of do of sleeping like that or
Speaker 1: sleeping with it hot, well, there's no doubt I'm choosing
Speaker 1: freezing cold air blasting on my face.
Speaker 3: But it did not help.
Speaker 1: It was literally the air conditioning vent was maybe at
Speaker 1: five five and a half yeah, five feet maybe five
Speaker 1: and a half feet maybe put on the wall and
Speaker 1: then just directly in front of the bed, angled right
Speaker 1: down right at.
Speaker 3: Your face the whole time.
Speaker 5: So we do, Sue and I do not only the
Speaker 5: air conditioning at sixty five at night, but also a fan. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what we because we need the air. We can't
Speaker 5: it can't just be cold. It has to be moving,
Speaker 5: has to be circulating. So we have the cold and
Speaker 5: the fan going. You also require a fan to be
Speaker 5: standing at the edge of the applauding.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when he says a fan, you mean an actual
Speaker 1: person who.
Speaker 3: Lovest I love that.
Speaker 5: Just halfway through the night, as I roll over, they
Speaker 5: just they whisper like that was the funniest rollover I've ever.
Speaker 3: So good doing are great? God have you lost weight
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night. Yeah, okay, so can
Speaker 3: we go back to be an Instagram scam for I?
Speaker 4: For whatever reason, they have nailed me of course, because
Speaker 4: the algorithm has figured us all out. And I get
Speaker 4: advertised movie props constantly, like like Reenac movie Jurassic Park one. No,
Speaker 4: I wanted to buy the draft of the drafts Park
Speaker 4: one for one. I thought you bought the Indiana Jones one,
Speaker 4: but it was already being marketed to me, like crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got the the Indiana Jones Grail Diary, which is
Speaker 4: like this video and it shows this guy who like
Speaker 4: handmade it and like and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I need this because I actually dressed as doctor Jones
Speaker 4: his father for Halloween last year, as like an in
Speaker 4: joke with because my kid's name is Indy. So I
Speaker 4: was like, and when I was walking around as this
Speaker 4: old man, everybody kept just thinking I was dressed as
Speaker 4: an old man, like nobody got the eye was who
Speaker 4: I was. And I was talking to a friend, He's like, well,
Speaker 4: you needed the Grail Diary. So I saw this ad
Speaker 4: and I bought it, and of course, like what I
Speaker 4: get is like a magazine like it's the cheapest, it's
Speaker 4: a complete scam. And if i'd read the comments, because
Speaker 4: you know, Instagram users actually comment on those times they
Speaker 4: say like, don't buy this, that's total bull And I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I should have read the comments.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, I get movie profits. Do you guys
Speaker 3: what targeted ads?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 4: Will you're a lurker now you don't actually use social media,
Speaker 4: but what I do?
Speaker 5: I do still get ads. I get video So I bought.
Speaker 5: The one thing I did buy from Instagram, which I
Speaker 5: thought was a scam because it took like thirty eight
Speaker 5: weeks to get to me, was the small video game
Speaker 5: console that holds one hundred thousand of your classic games
Speaker 5: that you have. So I bought that for like one
Speaker 5: hundred and nine bucks, and by like the eighth week,
Speaker 5: I just emailed them as is this a scam?
Speaker 3: I was like, you can just tell me at this
Speaker 3: point you won. Yeah, yeah, I've let it go.
Speaker 1: At this point, I just want to know if I
Speaker 1: should still be excited about my games exactly.
Speaker 3: And finally they're like, no, no, no, it's real. And it
Speaker 3: showed up.
Speaker 5: I did exactly what Sue said I was going to do,
Speaker 5: played it for half an hour and then I've never
Speaker 5: played it again.
Speaker 3: Yep, never touched you played like the three games that
Speaker 3: you remember.
Speaker 5: I played Street Fighter two, there you go, and couldn't
Speaker 5: even get the guy that get a contract code? Did
Speaker 5: you ever play Contrary? Down down, left, right, left right,
Speaker 5: BA start? Yeah, let's start, well select start is for
Speaker 5: two players, but the yeah, that's so yeah. No, I'm
Speaker 5: what I want is my old and Tendo sixty four
Speaker 5: to work.
Speaker 3: That's what I want.
Speaker 5: And I just found I we cleaned out a big
Speaker 5: portion of our home and I found all this stuff.
Speaker 5: But I doubt it a work. But that's what I want.
Speaker 5: I don't these console things like it's just like old school.
Speaker 3: No, it's not at all.
Speaker 5: I'm miss blowing on the game and it's not working
Speaker 5: and me yelling at the screen and all that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff.
Speaker 1: I once bought a pair of shoes on Instagram, and
Speaker 1: I've bought I mean, let's be honest, I shop.
Speaker 3: I liked a shop. That's the shopping shoulders. It's the
Speaker 3: it's the same dance I do me too, it's awful.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what I think my shopping habit
Speaker 1: become such that now I even enjoy shopping in person.
Speaker 1: There's a whole I'm becoming a new person. Let me
Speaker 1: say this. I'm transforming, I don't know, having fun, and
Speaker 1: I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Things a sweet sleep of death.
Speaker 1: Are you listen. I'm constantly resisting it. I'm not asking
Speaker 1: for it. I'm just saying, as we could argue that
Speaker 1: I might be the happiest person ever, because even the
Speaker 1: idea of death just sounds nice.
Speaker 3: I'll be happy. I'm happy alive. I'll be happy dead.
Speaker 3: I will be happy.
Speaker 1: But I didn't used to like to shop at all
Speaker 1: outside of my house. I was like, a real let's
Speaker 1: just stay home.
Speaker 3: And I do you know.
Speaker 1: I use Instacart, I use Amazon, I use the Nordstrom app.
Speaker 1: I shop at Anthropology online like I shop online, and
Speaker 1: anything I have to go out and get I don't
Speaker 1: want to do. But recently I wanted a lipliner. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't wear lipstick, but I've been doing
Speaker 1: my makeup for our live shows that we've been doing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I need some sort of lip color.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a lip liner. And randomly I thought.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna go to the mall, but go to
Speaker 6: s arml yeah, arm go to hootgog on a stick,
Speaker 6: well pandamic.
Speaker 1: So, actually, writer, it's funny you say that we were
Speaker 1: in a movie and we were watching Teenage Mutant Ninja
Speaker 1: Turtles Mutant Mayhem, and Keaton can only watch for about
Speaker 1: he watches all the previews and then he watches the
Speaker 1: first thirty minutes of a movie, and then he's like done, done.
Speaker 1: I'm really announces to everybody done done, And I go, okay,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: So I get him up and we walked the mall
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, I have this moment. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna pop into Sephora. Let me tell you, even
Speaker 1: with a two year old who you know, doesn't understand
Speaker 1: what shopping is and so therefore is making my life
Speaker 1: miserable while running around trying to rip everything off the counter,
Speaker 1: sticking his finger in the makeup samples. I thoroughly enjoyed
Speaker 1: picking out a lipliner.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful.
Speaker 5: But anyway, going back to you, just you just described
Speaker 5: me shopping with Sue by the way, yeah, literally just
Speaker 5: sticking my finger in the samples Like I'm like, I
Speaker 5: don't want.
Speaker 3: To be You're done, We're done. I am you done
Speaker 3: with this?
Speaker 5: Literally just described me with Sue, so she just doesn't
Speaker 5: take me shopping anymore.
Speaker 3: It's the worst.
Speaker 1: I love thinking of you as another little two year old.
Speaker 1: But the one thing I say I definitely got scammed
Speaker 1: with was Instagram shoes. I ordered a pair of shoes
Speaker 1: and they they also took thirty eight weeks to arrive,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm just never going to see these.
Speaker 1: Then they arrived and they were beautiful, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: worth the weight.
Speaker 3: Wore them once.
Speaker 1: Thankfully they lasted the length of my event, and on
Speaker 1: the drive home, stepping into the car, the snaps, the snaps.
Speaker 1: The straps just snapped and ripped off, broken, and I
Speaker 1: immediately threw them in the trash. All right, I waited
Speaker 1: thirty eight weeks for a one wear pair of shoes,
Speaker 1: and now I feel very wasteful.
Speaker 5: But speaking of shoes, very quickly, I thought you'd be
Speaker 5: impressed with this, Danielle. So Susan took it upon herself
Speaker 5: for my birthday this year, and they just happened to
Speaker 5: be next to me to buy me my first ever
Speaker 5: pair of dunks.
Speaker 3: Ooh wow.
Speaker 5: So she got me the green ones and I had
Speaker 5: to I don't know if he told you, but I
Speaker 5: had to text producer Jensen Karr, husband of this podcast,
Speaker 5: to ask how to tie them properly? Oh, if I
Speaker 5: was just supposed to tie them, if I was supposed
Speaker 5: to slip them on, And he sent me a YouTube
Speaker 5: video about how I was supposed to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need I actually need help with lacing. Lacing too.
Speaker 1: There is an art to lacing. And my feet are
Speaker 1: pretty small, and so I have to like if I
Speaker 1: if I can't most of my laces, I have to
Speaker 1: tie in a bow because if I let them dangle,
Speaker 1: I step on them. But there is like a time
Speaker 1: I know there's there's also there's an art to lacing.
Speaker 1: I recently did a video about my shoes because I
Speaker 1: love shoes, and one of the very sweet comments and
Speaker 1: there was, all right, now, let's teach my good sis
Speaker 1: how to lace, and I was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't have I don't have that much time. I'm really
Speaker 1: just grabbing a pair of shoes, sliding them all my
Speaker 1: feet and running out the door.
Speaker 5: That's what Jensen at the end of the day kind
Speaker 5: of said. He's like, just tie them and go Okay,
Speaker 5: that's probably the best.
Speaker 1: Time, But those are great. Writer, you are not super
Speaker 1: into tennis shoes. You're a boot guy.
Speaker 3: But you did recently comment on a pair of my dunks.
Speaker 1: Remember the shoes I was wearing on tour once where
Speaker 1: you recently said, I like those, those were dunks.
Speaker 3: I like most of your shoes. I'm always impressed.
Speaker 5: We should go all go shopping together at them all.
Speaker 5: I think that'd be a ton of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good idea. I'll bring Keaton, you'll need too,
Speaker 3: I'll be there. That's right. We have our two year old,
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Speaker 3: Meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm right strong, and I'm WILFORDE.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, we are going on the road and we
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Speaker 1: Will Ryder and myself are taking the show to over
Speaker 1: a dozen cities in twenty twenty three, and we have stories, games,
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Speaker 1: you a legit nineties shooting script signed by us. Let's
Speaker 1: start with Philadelphia, where we just announced three guests that
Speaker 1: will be joining us on September thirtieth at the Met
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Speaker 1: a ticket to the coolest party since The Exits played
Speaker 1: John Adams High. When Sarah Markowitz first came up with
Speaker 1: the idea for Pod Meets World, who one thing that
Speaker 1: we wanted to do on the show was shine a
Speaker 1: spotlight on some of the crew members and production jobs
Speaker 1: that helped Boy Meets World become the show it was,
Speaker 1: but rarely get kudos week in and week out. We
Speaker 1: may have gotten most of the attention, but we were
Speaker 1: just the script reading cogs in a much larger and
Speaker 1: smarter machine. There were dozens and dozens of hard working
Speaker 1: and lovely professionals who did most of the work, and
Speaker 1: we knew that if we could introduce you to really
Speaker 1: any of them in between our episode recaps, well we
Speaker 1: could finally give them the credit they deserve. And this
Speaker 1: week we're honored to do just that. Sound mixer Tomara
Speaker 1: Johnson has just under get ready for this three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty credits to her name. She's It is a
Speaker 1: resume that includes work on Fresh, Prince of bel Air,
Speaker 1: Married with Children, Who's the Boss, Sister, Sister, the Nanny,
Speaker 1: the Parkers, Everybody Loves Raymond, Zoe won On One, and
Speaker 1: Wizards of Waverley Place, Oh, and also every single episode
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World and then later Girl Meets World.
Speaker 3: She's now.
Speaker 1: There are really only a handful of people who worked
Speaker 1: on every episode of both shows. We're looking at you,
Speaker 1: Jeff Manel and Tamara is part of that exclusive club.
Speaker 1: And she was an Emmy nominee for Outstanding Sound Mixing
Speaker 1: for a Variety Series, Music Series or Special for David
Speaker 1: Copperfield's nineteen ninety five show Unexplained Forces. Maybe she can
Speaker 1: explain David Blaine's plane trick for us. So today we
Speaker 1: get to ask her many questions about her extensive time
Speaker 1: on the show, including what is a sound mixer. Let's
Speaker 1: welcome with what I can only guess will be impeccable
Speaker 1: sound prolific to Maria Johnson.
Speaker 2: There, I am wow, nice to see.
Speaker 4: You again, Nice to see you care And you're in
Speaker 4: a professional boot in my studio at home.
Speaker 5: That's fair in my happy place right in a booth.
Speaker 3: Perfect. I love it. Love that is so cool.
Speaker 2: Yes, I fortunately I have this. I can do projects
Speaker 2: during the strike, which is good. Yes, that does help. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So this is so exciting to be with all of you.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: We are so excited to have you, and you are
Speaker 1: truthfully our first guest with the type of resume where
Speaker 1: we could say that you have worked on like the
Speaker 1: entire history of television.
Speaker 2: Not really but okay.
Speaker 1: So we wanted to ask you this and you have
Speaker 1: to answer very quickly without thinking it over.
Speaker 3: What was your favorite show you ever worked on?
Speaker 2: I'm not saying when it's World.
Speaker 3: No, No, you don't have to say that, but really.
Speaker 2: I don't have to. But there's so many elements of
Speaker 2: the show besides the show. That just made it a
Speaker 2: wonderful experience. All the writers, Michael, the cast, the stories,
Speaker 2: the scripts. It's just it was a wonderful, wonderful show.
Speaker 3: Wow. I love that. I know, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Anytime somebody says that, I'm always like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: Well, you were there for the whole time, right, and the.
Speaker 2: Whole time pilot, first pilot, first show pilot, all the
Speaker 2: way through the end, and then all the way through
Speaker 2: the end girl, which was very sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Only one meaning none of us were on all the
Speaker 5: boy Metroll episodes and all the Girl Meetroll episodes. So
Speaker 5: the only one of the four of us here who's
Speaker 5: done them all.
Speaker 3: Was yeah, wow, so cool, so cool.
Speaker 1: Now, we know many of our listeners and most of
Speaker 1: our hosts probably uh don't really know exactly what goes
Speaker 1: into sound mixing and re recording. So let's start with that.
Speaker 1: What is it exactly? What is the process.
Speaker 2: Well, when when they shoot the show, then the editor
Speaker 2: picture editor gets all the all the takes, everything puts
Speaker 2: together the show and includes the sound that goes with
Speaker 2: each one of those takes. Then I get that and
Speaker 2: my editor's dialogue editor will go through and clean everything up.
Speaker 2: Sound effects editor goes in and adds all the sounds
Speaker 2: that we need. I get the music from the composer,
Speaker 2: and then I mix all those elements, including a laugh track.
Speaker 2: The laugh guy comes in and there is a laugh guy,
Speaker 2: I believe it or not. He comes in and laughs,
Speaker 2: and that's how we that's how we do the show.
Speaker 2: And then Michael and and everybody would come in and
Speaker 2: we play it back and he gives notes and then
Speaker 2: they leave.
Speaker 1: Hold on a minute, there's a laugh guy.
Speaker 2: There is a laugh guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, they pay they pay a guy to laugh,
Speaker 1: and does he come in and do different laughs?
Speaker 2: Well, he has a machine that has laughs. Okay himself.
Speaker 3: I thought there was a guy just sitting in front
Speaker 3: of the microphone. Thought different.
Speaker 2: More than it's way more than sixty laughs. He has
Speaker 2: libraries from many different stages, very many different shows, because
Speaker 2: you know, like Boy Meets World would have a younger
Speaker 2: sounding audience, you know, older audiences, African American audiences, you know,
Speaker 2: just all sorts of different choices. So yeah, wow, that's
Speaker 2: a whole that's a whole thing into itself.
Speaker 5: That will and then probably combinations of that. So we
Speaker 5: need young African American, we need older Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Michael would often say, oh, I want to hear I
Speaker 2: want to hear a woman laugh there.
Speaker 3: You know, or like different oos like this should be
Speaker 3: this should be a playful.
Speaker 1: So did they add some of the audience.
Speaker 2: No, Actually, Michael is too fond of the woze. If
Speaker 2: it was real and they really you really earned it,
Speaker 2: then yes, but he wouldn't necessarily add to it. But
Speaker 2: this is my favorite laugh note of all time. Do
Speaker 2: you have a sad laugh? A sad lad from Michael
Speaker 2: from another show? But it was like no, I don't.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 5: There was the one ask for that never happened was
Speaker 5: the sad laugh.
Speaker 3: And here's I think, will could you do a sad level?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, well, could do it from
Speaker 3: a Will cool? A sad laugh would be like, you know, yes,
Speaker 3: pretty pretty darn good.
Speaker 1: The trailing off is what gives it away where I'm
Speaker 1: actually bummed about this.
Speaker 2: And the other best laugh note, second best was h
Speaker 2: It was the scene was in sort of mid Middle
Speaker 2: Ages medieval and they said the laugh didn't match the wardrobe.
Speaker 1: Oh my hand, we need that laugh to sound like
Speaker 1: it's behind more tin.
Speaker 2: It's a laugh.
Speaker 4: This is old school, this is laugh doesn't match the
Speaker 4: we want abonic plaguey.
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like that. Cele it needs English, that
Speaker 3: British right exactly.
Speaker 5: I think the British laugh in the thirteen hundreds, just
Speaker 5: halfway through became a cough.
Speaker 1: So I think that it would be perfect going back
Speaker 1: to this laugh guy. Where do we think he gathered
Speaker 1: the laughs? Did he have to travel the world and
Speaker 1: then the cord people laughing? Where did they get him.
Speaker 2: All the shows that have a live audience. If they
Speaker 2: want their own library, then they give him all the
Speaker 2: shows and then he goes through. It's a very painful
Speaker 2: process go through. I've done this. I've built libraries, and
Speaker 2: it's just ough. You just have to Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you have a great start, but then you know, not
Speaker 2: a good ending, or somebody talks in the middle, or
Speaker 2: there's something, so you know, out have probably a thousand
Speaker 2: takes of laughs. I will maybe be able to get
Speaker 2: a hundred. Maybe it's very very very tea perfect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we do that. We do that with voiceover too.
Speaker 5: We do oof and egg libraries where it's just small,
Speaker 5: small impacts, large impacts, medium impacts, getting hit in the leg,
Speaker 5: getting hit in the shoulder, and you just build your
Speaker 5: own personal library the whole time. So they just have
Speaker 5: it for a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, so that not every episode you're having
Speaker 1: to go right.
Speaker 3: Not a laugh person.
Speaker 1: Oh man, how did you first get into sound mixing?
Speaker 1: And this is a this is an honest question. Do
Speaker 1: you have better he than us?
Speaker 2: I think I have different hearing than you do. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know I will pick up like, oh there's a
Speaker 2: problem here. I hear this, I hear that. So I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I necessarily have better hearing. It's just my
Speaker 2: ears more trained to listen to stuff. And the way
Speaker 2: I got into it is my parents bought me a
Speaker 2: little real real tape recorder when I was ten years
Speaker 2: old for Christmas, and I just started recording, you know, dinner,
Speaker 2: you know, talk at dinner. I hold the speaker up
Speaker 2: to the microphone up to the speaker and record a
Speaker 2: show that I'd take scissors and scotch tape and I edited.
Speaker 3: And I didn't love your own stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a little quarter inch step just really
Speaker 2: really really primitive. But that's how that's how I got
Speaker 2: into it. I just love sound. I always have, And
Speaker 2: originally I wanted to be in music, you know, and
Speaker 2: then I then I realized I needed to make money, so.
Speaker 3: That I would switch to post you excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, being being an artist, which is not the way
Speaker 1: to make a living.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I did. That's what I do in
Speaker 2: my studio. My studio gives me the creative exactly, but
Speaker 2: not the monetary flow. And then I have my my
Speaker 2: union job that you know, pays the bills and you know,
Speaker 2: but I have like four hours to do an episode,
Speaker 2: so I don't have the time to like here at home,
Speaker 2: I could spend an hour listening to for the right
Speaker 2: gun shot, you know. I did that just Sunday. Actually nope, nope, all, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll take that one. Can't do that when you're under
Speaker 2: You got four hours to do your job.
Speaker 3: So so where were you physically? Like, did you move
Speaker 3: with us from studio to studio or no.
Speaker 2: I I usually work at a studio. So we started
Speaker 2: boy at what was the thing of that place? It
Speaker 2: was Compact Video and then it became four MC, and
Speaker 2: then I moved to another facility and they, uh, that's
Speaker 2: just everyone just followed over and they just usually come wherever,
Speaker 2: whoever the person like a colorist, let's say, you know,
Speaker 2: or somebody you know post people that kind of set
Speaker 2: up home in one place and then clients follow you
Speaker 2: to that. So that's what happened. And I've actually done
Speaker 2: I've actually done an episode a girl in this studio
Speaker 2: because I had in twenty fifteen, I had back surgery
Speaker 2: and I couldn't drive and I couldn't get There's the
Speaker 2: place where we mixed was in Burbank. So the Brenda
Speaker 2: tegu which I'm sure you all Brenda, came to my
Speaker 2: studio and so did the laugh guy, and then we
Speaker 2: shipped off the mix so Michael and everybody could hear it.
Speaker 2: But that's only one time that happened.
Speaker 3: So how much were you on set?
Speaker 1: If ever?
Speaker 2: Never? Wow, I don't think I ever ever came.
Speaker 5: You did?
Speaker 3: You never came to like a tape night? Believe I did.
Speaker 2: I don't believe I ever did.
Speaker 5: Your most favorite show ever? You come to a televie
Speaker 5: she said, favorite show to work on.
Speaker 3: We don't need to clarify that.
Speaker 2: I just called you Eric. And that's the point I'm
Speaker 2: going to make here, is that when you're in post,
Speaker 2: I don't know you as Danielle and Will and right,
Speaker 2: I don't know you. I know you as Tapanga and Eric,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, uh, in a way, I
Speaker 2: don't want to break the fourth wall, sure, you know.
Speaker 2: I Like one time, Will, you came in in the
Speaker 2: Burbank studio to loop a line and it was after
Speaker 2: you had you had you had a beard, and you'd
Speaker 2: been gone for a while and you came back with
Speaker 2: this large book that you'd written, you finished your manifesto,
Speaker 2: and you take a pod I mean a cane that
Speaker 2: and he opened it up. One page had something written
Speaker 2: on it and then you go, dun dund done, I'm done. Well,
Speaker 2: all of us in post just grabbed onto that. So
Speaker 2: whenever we'd be working, dun dundune, I'm done. So you
Speaker 2: came into the studio and like three of us said
Speaker 2: it to you, and you looked at us like we, hut,
Speaker 2: what God, Eric's coming in. Oh, this is so fun, Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll do this and yeah, so that's why.
Speaker 3: And you had no idea that it had become a catchphrase, Will, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so was that from boy or Girl?
Speaker 2: No, that was from Boy. That was like the last
Speaker 2: season of Boy made me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think Plays with Squirrels was the last season of World, So,
Speaker 5: oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: But the look on your face was like, who are
Speaker 2: these people and what are they doing? I'm sure you
Speaker 2: didn't even remember.
Speaker 1: No context, done, done, done, I'm done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exact Wait what yeah? Okay, So here's a question.
Speaker 5: If you don't like to break the fourth wall with
Speaker 5: your actors, with all the shows you've done, are there
Speaker 5: characters other than actors? Are their characters that are better
Speaker 5: at sound than others? I don't know how else to
Speaker 5: say it.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say that, but there are, there are,
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to name names, but there are
Speaker 2: some actors that are very very, very very good at adr.
Speaker 2: I can say the positive ones.
Speaker 5: Gary Coleman from Awesome, one of my idols of all time,
Speaker 5: from Different Strokes, Different strokes.
Speaker 2: He would come in, I'd play the line for him
Speaker 2: and he'd do it one take.
Speaker 3: Out, amazing.
Speaker 2: And then I have had other actors who I don't care.
Speaker 2: I've made a mistake. No, you can't fix it. That's
Speaker 2: too bad. That's too bad. That's what it is, and
Speaker 2: it is a real art to be able to.
Speaker 5: Do it is ADR, and voiceover is a whole different game.
Speaker 5: It's just an absolutely different game, and you have to
Speaker 5: be able to dissect yourself from it and listen to
Speaker 5: the line as a separate person and try to mimic
Speaker 5: it back.
Speaker 3: It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 2: Right, And you have to hear the line before in
Speaker 2: the line after so that you blend into it, and
Speaker 2: then the mic has to be in the right place.
Speaker 2: So some ADR can be perfect, and if I get
Speaker 2: ADR that someone else's shot not so much most of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 5: Can you tell us what ADR stands for, just for
Speaker 5: all our dear listeners out there.
Speaker 2: I believe it stands for automatic dialogue replacement. And it's
Speaker 2: also referred to as looping. And how that came into
Speaker 2: being was way back in the day before pro tools
Speaker 2: or anything like that. They would take the line on film.
Speaker 2: They would take the line that you have to say,
Speaker 2: and then they would loop it over and over and
Speaker 2: over for the actor to listen to and then okay,
Speaker 2: got it. Then they go into record record it and
Speaker 2: that's how they would do that. So that's how it
Speaker 2: was known as looping. Yeah, but ADR is very interchangeable,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: An additional dialogue recording could be that.
Speaker 2: It could be that too, I don't know really well.
Speaker 3: It's also interesting like.
Speaker 4: The way they have to so if you have to
Speaker 4: replace the line, they have to put the beeps.
Speaker 3: And then they also do visuals because it depends on
Speaker 3: who the actor like. Sometimes actors need it to be visual.
Speaker 4: The lines cross the screen right at the moment when
Speaker 4: you're supposed to start the line right, and then other
Speaker 4: people are audio and you need the be to know
Speaker 4: when to start, and then you have to.
Speaker 3: Like watch your lips.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it is such a weird art form. I'm a
Speaker 4: complete audio person, so I need to like basically, if
Speaker 4: I hear it, I can repeat it exactly the way
Speaker 4: I did it. But if I try and watch and match,
Speaker 4: I get all screwed up and I get out of
Speaker 4: my head. But if I'm like, if I'm just close
Speaker 4: my eyes listen to it, I can repeat a line
Speaker 4: exactly the way I said.
Speaker 5: Yeah you'll There's times like for the visual people out there,
Speaker 5: it literally looks like Luke Skywalker is making the run
Speaker 5: to blow up the Death Star, and he's looking at
Speaker 5: a screen and those two lines are coming, and then
Speaker 5: he when it hits the middle, he's got to hit
Speaker 5: the button for the photon torpedoes, and everyone just went.
Speaker 3: They're not photon torpedoes. But that's what it is.
Speaker 5: And what makes it even more difficult is when you're
Speaker 5: doing ADR and you have to eight R project that,
Speaker 5: for instance, has already been animated. So we'll do things
Speaker 5: where it's like it's a you know, when I did
Speaker 5: Howl's Moving castle there, the lip flaps are already done
Speaker 5: for the Japanese animation, so you have to go in
Speaker 5: and try to fit the English dialogue into these mouthflaps.
Speaker 3: Still clean it up somewhat, but they're mouth flaps.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 1: I don't don't ever say lip flaps or mouth.
Speaker 3: You've got to again. I never want to hear it again.
Speaker 5: Just on the beep, put it in the mouth flaps.
Speaker 5: That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: Please, I beg of you. I never want to hear
Speaker 1: it again. You said, you said it twice. You changed
Speaker 1: lip flaps, which is the worst to mouth. It's what
Speaker 1: it's called. It's what it's called. It's them literally literally
Speaker 1: shivering every time.
Speaker 5: It's just if I just keep saying moist moist mouth,
Speaker 5: moist mouth flaps, most moist mouthflow.
Speaker 1: I'm one of the only people in the world who
Speaker 1: doesn't get bothered by moist.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm getting Danielle a shirt that just says
Speaker 5: mouth flaps is the worst Number one.
Speaker 3: Merch.
Speaker 5: Have another question for you, because a lot of people,
Speaker 5: I think when they go on like the Universal Tour
Speaker 5: or one of these kind of things, one of the
Speaker 5: things they will learn about is fully and so can
Speaker 5: you explain to us a little bit what folly is
Speaker 5: and how that's different than what you do?
Speaker 2: Well, actually, I will get it depends on the show
Speaker 2: and the show's budget. Like a single camera show will
Speaker 2: always have a fully fully department walk it and do
Speaker 2: it something like for Boy. You know, multicams don't really
Speaker 2: have that kind of budget. So if we needed something
Speaker 2: that wasn't footsteps, then that's something I just do on
Speaker 2: the stage And I do my own folly here in
Speaker 2: my studium. Except footsteps. They are the worst. They are
Speaker 2: so hard to get those. Oh yeah, because it has
Speaker 2: to be matched the environment it's in so with. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I have a library of Boy
Speaker 2: and Girl Meets World footsteps that I've pulled from all
Speaker 2: of the episodes that because it's on a sound stage.
Speaker 2: I can those will blend in on an interior shot
Speaker 2: really well. I use them all the time, but exterior
Speaker 2: footsteps is a whole other story. That's just my nightmare.
Speaker 2: But anyway, So but what fully is I'm trying to
Speaker 2: see the best way to say this. Sometimes it's faster
Speaker 2: to fully something, so you're recreating a sound in sync
Speaker 2: with the picture. And if there's a lot of like like,
Speaker 2: for instance, I just finished a show that had somebody
Speaker 2: had a pistol and they were moving it around a lot.
Speaker 2: So rather than get my pistol sound effects out, I say, oh,
Speaker 2: this one goes here, blah blah, I just folly it.
Speaker 2: I just got a pistol from a prop shop, came
Speaker 2: home and just I just emulated the action and it
Speaker 2: was like ten minutes versus probably an hour and a half,
Speaker 2: so you know. And then there's also another point of folly,
Speaker 2: which kind of goes into matching lips a little bit,
Speaker 2: is international distribution. So every show, every show that Disney
Speaker 2: puts out, goes out into the world in those languages.
Speaker 2: So that's a whole again, that's a whole nother world.
Speaker 2: Oh oh my god, is it? Ever, it's more work
Speaker 2: to do a foreign mix than it is to do
Speaker 2: a domestic one, because if you're sitting here talking and
Speaker 2: you hear this while I'm talking, well, we're going to
Speaker 2: replace that voice, but now we have to also match.
Speaker 2: I have the sounds every time, and then also when
Speaker 2: people are moving and in English, in a regular one,
Speaker 2: it's like, Danielle, if you moved back in your chair,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't expect to hear that, But if it's completely
Speaker 2: being rebuilt and you move back, it's like you miss
Speaker 2: the sound that there. I should hear a little creek
Speaker 2: or something there.
Speaker 3: Right, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then the worst part of all is
Speaker 2: what you finished with it. Then it goes to QC
Speaker 2: Quality Control and they are just like have microscopes trying
Speaker 2: to find mistakes, and it's just I would rather get
Speaker 2: a root canal than do em. Andy. Seriously, Wow, I
Speaker 2: have a friend.
Speaker 4: I have a friend who's in quality control, who's one
Speaker 4: of my CLI and he's been in it for at
Speaker 4: this point, like fifteen years, and it's you know, he's
Speaker 4: a position, you know, so I think he has one
Speaker 4: of those ears too, like but yeah, it seems like
Speaker 4: a nightmare. I mean, and when when he first started,
Speaker 4: he would just always be at home watching DVDs in
Speaker 4: like three languages, Like he would have to watch a
Speaker 4: movie in every language with different.
Speaker 3: Subtitles just to be quality.
Speaker 4: From now he runs the company, but he started just
Speaker 4: being a watcher, like that was his job. I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, he'd have to watch Die Hard like
Speaker 4: fourteen times, you know, fourteen different languages with the different stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my.
Speaker 4: But I think the most fun part about Foley is
Speaker 4: when things sound better with different objects, so you're not
Speaker 4: just recreated, but like you know, like I know, you know,
Speaker 4: it's like punch sounds will be like hitting a wet
Speaker 4: piece of paper, or like you know, like a bullet
Speaker 4: going into something would be like a watermelon squishing. You know,
Speaker 4: like all these weird sounds that they have to recreate.
Speaker 3: That's the famous one. Find his videos that are amazing.
Speaker 5: The famous one is the is the Psycho shower scene
Speaker 5: where he's stabbing the water It's he's stabbing a watermelon
Speaker 5: over and over, which gives the sound of sounding I
Speaker 5: mean it's just like so creepy. Yeah, that's the that's
Speaker 5: it's the famous breaking well.
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's because they did it with an
Speaker 2: extra first, but then the extra died so that they
Speaker 2: got the watermelon finished.
Speaker 3: There's a few people you only few people know that story.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: It's we talked about the perils of being a background
Speaker 1: actor sometimes you have.
Speaker 2: It's only one thing to be concerned about. That.
Speaker 1: So you you mentioned will coming in for a d R.
Speaker 1: Did we have to do a lot of ADR on
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World In Girmeys World?
Speaker 2: No? Uh, and Boy the year that you went to
Speaker 2: Disney World, you and Ben had a scene out in
Speaker 2: front of a big water fountain.
Speaker 3: How could I forget it? So so we looped.
Speaker 2: That whole thing and you came in. You both came
Speaker 2: in for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But my favorite, actually my favorite Boy Meets World story
Speaker 2: is for the pilot. We need to bend him to
Speaker 2: loop something. And so he came in. I got him
Speaker 2: set up in his chair and put his headphones on
Speaker 2: him and he was just like why I, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is so cool. Can I go get my mom?
Speaker 2: You know, it's the cutest thing ever. And like you know,
Speaker 2: he will he will always be that little I don't
Speaker 2: know how old he wasn't ten, maybe he will always
Speaker 2: in my mind be that little awestruck boy that he
Speaker 2: was doing this, you know, so sweet. Yeah, it's very cute.
Speaker 1: So how many sound techs or engineers are usually working
Speaker 1: on a TV show at once? And then how many
Speaker 1: shows are you usually working on it once? Like are
Speaker 1: you working you know how many different shoes?
Speaker 2: Do you mean, like on a weekly schedule?
Speaker 3: Schedule?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really varies. I've had years that I've had
Speaker 2: fourteen series, so I'd either do like three a day
Speaker 2: and then two on the weekends, or you know that
Speaker 2: four she only I haven't had that a long time.
Speaker 2: But you know, money is only good for so much,
Speaker 2: and then you go, you know what I will pay
Speaker 2: you to let me not do this. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, during pilot season, I usually have one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars bill that I put hide away and then if
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, it's four in the morning, here's one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, I want to go and it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: I still have the same hundred dollars. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: as far as as you know, again, it depends on
Speaker 2: the type of show. So a multi kit budget, a
Speaker 2: multi camera show will have a dialogue editor and Oftentimes
Speaker 2: that editor also does the effects, but sometimes it's split
Speaker 2: up depending on how involved it is. Then, so that's two.
Speaker 2: And then there's the music composer music editor. Usually they
Speaker 2: are not the same person. So the music the music
Speaker 2: editor goes through and you know, the composer, I say
Speaker 2: I want this queue here, this queue here, this queue here,
Speaker 2: and then and he'll he or she will make it fit.
Speaker 2: Then there's myself and the supervising editor, who is usually
Speaker 2: the dialogue or music effects editor. He sits with in
Speaker 2: the room with me, the laugh guy. And then there's
Speaker 2: a tech that our pro tools tech was in another room,
Speaker 2: but if I have any kind of problems or anything,
Speaker 2: he's there to figure it out real quick. So that's
Speaker 2: about EAT people.
Speaker 3: So were you working with Ray Colecord?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you worked directly with Ray who did our
Speaker 5: music for all of Boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah Girl too.
Speaker 2: Yes, until he got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we lost Ray, but he was a great guy.
Speaker 2: Amazing talent, wonderful person. It was that I could. I
Speaker 2: couldn't go to the funeral because I was working. I
Speaker 2: was so sad, you know, it's like, oh man, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I stay in touch with his wife. She moved
Speaker 2: to New York. But we're friends. But that was that
Speaker 2: was yeah. And you know, one of the fun things
Speaker 2: is when Ray and Michael would get into a fight, which.
Speaker 3: With the really I always thought they got along perfectly,
Speaker 3: but but Michael's consider composer a musician.
Speaker 2: And they would you know, well, Ray would feel strongly
Speaker 2: it needs to be this, and he would argue and
Speaker 2: he would stand up and blah blah blah, and I
Speaker 2: would just get my chair and I just just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let me know when you're ready.
Speaker 1: Who would usually win those fights Michael Michael, of course,
Speaker 1: and I went.
Speaker 4: He would get obsessed with music line readings. I can
Speaker 4: imagine going, you.
Speaker 1: Have a literal music genius with Ray gold Gord, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna argue about how should be flexible.
Speaker 3: He could do anything like and remember just like we
Speaker 3: would be.
Speaker 4: We would he would like throw like something would be
Speaker 4: in the script, like we need a jazz number, and
Speaker 4: he would have it within like a day.
Speaker 3: It would be the best song you've ever heard, or.
Speaker 4: We have a hip hop song we need to dance.
Speaker 4: It was just like he would just effortlessly produced it.
Speaker 4: The one episode we did of the first episode I
Speaker 4: directed of Girlman's World was the nineteen sixty whatever.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the same to the table read.
Speaker 4: And Sabrina just sang a song like like jazzy acapella.
Speaker 4: She just sang a song and he wrote down what
Speaker 4: notes she was singing and then composed a song based
Speaker 4: on what she sang. And he just heard her. He's like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, she's got perfect pitch. And she sang this note,
Speaker 4: this note, this note, so I wrote he wrote a
Speaker 4: song based on her table spontaneous performance was amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, so cool.
Speaker 5: He also would come to the set to teach us
Speaker 5: if we ever had to do anything even slightly musical.
Speaker 5: You know, Ben, when Ben was directing with the with
Speaker 5: the foam finger, he took the time to come down
Speaker 5: to the set and he taught Ben with a baton,
Speaker 5: no you want to do this, you want to do that?
Speaker 3: I mean it was Yeah. He was a great guy,
Speaker 3: great guy.
Speaker 2: Just completely involved. Yes, And when they would would have
Speaker 2: their disagreements, it was both of them was for the
Speaker 2: best of the show. It's just Ray thought this and
Speaker 2: Michael thought this. And I remember there was once really
Speaker 2: I might have been for the first or the pilot
Speaker 2: of Girl where my supervisor. She and I both just
Speaker 2: like duck down, and she just looked at me and
Speaker 2: she went because she had never worked with Michael before.
Speaker 2: And I said, it'll be okay. Just don't worry.
Speaker 3: They don't need each other.
Speaker 2: It's just they're just trying to work this out. But
Speaker 2: it was entertaining. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is funny.
Speaker 1: I will say that because you think, like you hear
Speaker 1: those stories that Michael and Ray would fight and probably regularly,
Speaker 1: and then you think, well, I wonder why Michael, who
Speaker 1: has entire power to fire Ray and say I'm not
Speaker 1: going to have you on the show. I will say
Speaker 1: that Michael really respects men who will fight back with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he did know that Ray fighting with him was
Speaker 1: because Ray really was fighting for what he thought was
Speaker 1: best for the show. And Michael did respect that, even
Speaker 1: if he disagreed with what He liked the fact that
Speaker 1: somebody was willing to stand up to him and say, no,
Speaker 1: you're wrong, and here's why and here's what's better. And
Speaker 1: he likes that. He likes that because it means you're passionate,
Speaker 1: and he wants that.
Speaker 3: He also respected talent.
Speaker 5: I think anybody who met Ray knew that Ray was
Speaker 5: just just phenomenal at what he did.
Speaker 1: Michael spoke so highly of him, like the most talented,
Speaker 1: the most incredible, just the absolute best. So, speaking of Michael,
Speaker 1: how did you get hired? On Boy Meets World?
Speaker 2: The first show I did with Michael was Almost Home
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, it was like a follow up to
Speaker 2: the Torko Sun I believe, just before Boy and then yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that only went one, maybe two seasons. So
Speaker 2: then we did Boy and it just you know, we
Speaker 2: all just clicked. It was it was just that's what
Speaker 2: I said. I just looked forward to those mixes so
Speaker 2: much because and Michael is, without a doubt, the best
Speaker 2: joke tiller of anybody in the world. There's nobody, matter
Speaker 2: of fact, the voice mamals recording him doing a joke.
Speaker 2: I still have one. I still have one about the parrot, uh,
Speaker 2: just because it's just you just you just marvel at
Speaker 2: his ability to just take a very simple story and
Speaker 2: just turn it into this. You know, and the people
Speaker 2: that know Michael, like Jack is the laugh guy. Jack
Speaker 2: and I will Jack and I tell jokes a lot,
Speaker 2: and then we both Michael tells that better and we
Speaker 2: still do that.
Speaker 3: Amazing he really was an amazing joke teller.
Speaker 5: He could build a joke on a joke, he'd do
Speaker 5: a callback in the middle of a joke.
Speaker 3: I mean, he really is.
Speaker 4: I remember one time, man, we were on set and
Speaker 4: somebody brought up a stand up comedian too Michael. They
Speaker 4: were like, do you know this stand up And He's like,
Speaker 4: I know them all. I watched them all he was
Speaker 4: and that verson was like, well do you know this bit?
Speaker 4: And Michael was able to remember exactly which comedian the
Speaker 4: guy was talking about which bit. I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: he studies. Yes, he watches every stand up comedian, knows
Speaker 4: every single story.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, Well, when you think about it,
Speaker 1: like it requires more to be a comedian than this,
Speaker 1: But the base of it is you have to be
Speaker 1: able to tell a good story, and then on top
Speaker 1: of that you have to be there are other skills
Speaker 1: you need, but like, if you can't tell a good story,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be a good comedian.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 5: And then for people are usually musical, I mean, there's
Speaker 5: a musicality to joke telling.
Speaker 4: And Might always had that comedians are musicians exactly. But
Speaker 4: he would always point to like the fact that Woody
Speaker 4: Allen plays jazz, you know, like people are like they
Speaker 4: actually are.
Speaker 3: Usually musicians first, or drummers.
Speaker 5: I mean, Steve Martin, everybody, all these kind of people.
Speaker 5: But it's also the best ones are the ones that
Speaker 5: like I always go to Chandler on Friends to Matthew Perry.
Speaker 5: And one of the reasons he was so funny is
Speaker 5: that sitcom you can always get into the same rhythm.
Speaker 5: It can be very much that Dunda set up jo
Speaker 5: And the reason he was so good is that you
Speaker 5: never knew where he was going to go.
Speaker 3: It was like jazz.
Speaker 5: It was like he played completely offbeat and it was
Speaker 5: like whoa that came out of nowhere. And that was
Speaker 5: one of the things where you find some of these
Speaker 5: men and women that can kill it where it's just
Speaker 5: you think they're going one place with a joke and
Speaker 5: it goes to completely different, right, which yeah, Michael definitely has.
Speaker 2: So yeah, whatever he'd start up, you know, because every
Speaker 2: week he'd come in with a new joke, and whenever
Speaker 2: he starts to start up, I'd go, Okay, where is
Speaker 2: this going? Where is this? Yeah, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 2: go It was never right never, you know.
Speaker 1: So while you were working on Boy and you saw
Speaker 1: it go through so many changes over the years.
Speaker 3: Did you think this show is going to be a.
Speaker 2: Hit Boy Meets World Initially, Well, because it was in
Speaker 2: the TGIF lineup, I thought that it would be it
Speaker 2: would be popular. I didn't. I didn't foresee it going
Speaker 2: seven seasons. No, you know, and I'm so glad it
Speaker 2: did because it just went the whole, you know, the
Speaker 2: whole run from very young to college and getting married
Speaker 2: and all of that. And then Girl. I thought Girl
Speaker 2: was just brilliant, and you know, all the There was
Speaker 2: a lot of location shots in uh Girl, because they
Speaker 2: were in New York, and I go to New York frequently,
Speaker 2: so I would say, I know where that fountain is.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get that fountain, and I go and
Speaker 2: I record the fount because iways put my gear with
Speaker 2: me record the fountain or all the subway stuff, all
Speaker 2: the subway sounds like, especially in that first episode of
Speaker 2: the Girl, that's all from my library, and it's just
Speaker 2: like that means so much to me. It doesn't I
Speaker 2: don't charge anybody for that. It's just for me. It's like,
Speaker 2: that's not how that train sounds, this is how it sounds,
Speaker 2: and you know, like I get very I get very
Speaker 2: picky with like phone rings, Like I don't know if
Speaker 2: you guys remember what a princess phone looks like. Of course,
Speaker 2: of course they have a very distinct ring, completely different
Speaker 2: than like a regular.
Speaker 5: Desk phone and still talks about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if I see if there's a princess phone
Speaker 2: in my editor puts in a regular phone ring, I'm like,
Speaker 2: uh uh uh uh no here, and I'll send them
Speaker 2: a princess phone ring. Put that in.
Speaker 5: You know, you gotta be do you do you think
Speaker 5: you hear the world more than you see the world.
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: Sot it's so cool.
Speaker 1: I would never I would never think that's an What
Speaker 1: that fountain sounds like? I would to me, you went
Speaker 1: to New York and recorded the right fountain.
Speaker 2: I was in New York. I know where that is.
Speaker 3: I'm going to record it.
Speaker 2: We're going to put it in, you know, and then
Speaker 2: three people in the world know about this, but there
Speaker 2: we are. So it's just my little quirk, my little quirk.
Speaker 2: Another thing, another thing that used to really bug me
Speaker 2: to death, which you don't have anymore's payphones, because when
Speaker 2: when you had. When you were done talking and you
Speaker 2: put down the receiver, the coins that you would put
Speaker 2: in would then go through into the little hold.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 2: Well, you watch old movies and you will never hear that.
Speaker 2: And so I was working at a studio called Metromedia
Speaker 2: back in the day. UH that's now that was torn
Speaker 2: down and now it's a high school. And there was
Speaker 2: a pay phone up but two floors up from where
Speaker 2: the sound where I was working. So that was way
Speaker 2: before having phones that you could record. Unless you had
Speaker 2: a nog Brother, there's no way you could remotely record anything.
Speaker 2: So my assistant and I found a really long mike
Speaker 2: cable and we ran it all the way up to
Speaker 2: that up to where that payphone was, and we recorded
Speaker 2: that and then we had it and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now we're going to do that because I can't stand that.
Speaker 2: Another thing to listen for anything Like back in UH,
Speaker 2: anything that was mixed at Universal back in the sixties
Speaker 2: and seventies, they always had the same phone ring, Like
Speaker 2: in the opening title of UH. The Rockford Files, the
Speaker 2: phone rings and then it's just answering machine. The answers.
Speaker 2: This is James rock Jim Rockford leave a message. I'll
Speaker 2: get back to you. That phone ring is in every
Speaker 2: every everything that you know, any TV thing from Universal,
Speaker 2: I'd hear the phone Oh I bet this is Universal.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah it is.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 4: Which my son recognized. He called it out one day
Speaker 4: we were watching Yes. He was like, Dad, have you
Speaker 4: ever noticed that whenever people fall in a movie they
Speaker 4: sound exactly the same?
Speaker 3: I was like, and we watched like it was in
Speaker 3: Indiana Jones. I was like this one. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's the Wilhelm screen.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, yeah, it's it's an all.
Speaker 2: Actually it's said twice in the Two Towers, the blur
Speaker 2: of the ring stuff, but it's in every Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we tried.
Speaker 2: You know, I have one producer who's like, got to
Speaker 2: find a place for the Wilhelm screen. Got to find
Speaker 2: a place, you know.
Speaker 1: And so it's just it's like, yeah, it's a tribute,
Speaker 1: like writer said, yeah, So I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: know the answer to this, But I have to ask it.
Speaker 1: Are you even able to watch TV or movies without
Speaker 1: just focusing on the sound and it's small issues?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if it's engaging, yes, okay, But like
Speaker 2: I remember the first time seeing Raiders of the Lost
Speaker 2: Arc at the Chinese I was so enthralled with the
Speaker 2: sound that I kept going in and out of the
Speaker 2: story and I'll be like, where are we? How do
Speaker 2: we get here? Because I was listening to because that
Speaker 2: that the sound in that movie is amazing, and uh,
Speaker 2: I had to go back and see it the next day. Okay,
Speaker 2: now I want to see what really helpens because I
Speaker 2: couldn't pay attention to now and if something if it's
Speaker 2: not appropriate, the sound isn't appropriate, or if the adr
Speaker 2: really stands out, that'll totally pull me out of it.
Speaker 3: It does me too, situation totally.
Speaker 2: Good, Oh what was that? Or something's out of sync,
Speaker 2: like over over the shoulder shots so you know the
Speaker 2: camera's behind me and I'm talking here and you can
Speaker 2: see my mouth moving. Well, if that's not in sync
Speaker 2: with what you.
Speaker 5: Hear, yes, crazy, I do the same crazy, And you
Speaker 5: can do when you can tell that a line has
Speaker 5: been looped when it just doesn't match and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: they just threw that, that's adr they grab that from
Speaker 5: another take.
Speaker 3: That drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: Or put a different person said it, that's not even
Speaker 2: the same person sounds horrible.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, oh man, it's not the If you want
Speaker 5: to have some fun, go back. If you want to
Speaker 5: just well, for you, it wouldn't be fun to be infuriating.
Speaker 5: Some of the old eighties cartoons. Oh really, Transformer's Mask.
Speaker 5: There were times where just they would lip flaps wouldn't
Speaker 5: be moving at all.
Speaker 2: Claps you do flaps, not mouth flaps.
Speaker 3: Slip slip.
Speaker 5: She loves it, you can tell by her face, or
Speaker 5: just another actor would be speaking and they go, we
Speaker 5: don't have time to reanimate it, so just keep it
Speaker 5: as the wrong actor in the wrong character.
Speaker 3: It's so amazing. It's like they don't even try at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: Wow. I've been really honing in on fully lately. I'm
Speaker 2: working on a spoof, a spoof for Batman fires the
Speaker 2: Justice League, and it's like, if you guys ever go
Speaker 2: to college humor, look up uh Batman Joker Interrogation, look
Speaker 2: that up, and it's those actors and seen that director,
Speaker 2: that those writers. That was like ten years ago that
Speaker 2: we did that. Now he's he's got this thing. So
Speaker 2: we have six four to six minute bits that are Batman.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it is so funny.
Speaker 3: But anyway, it's a Christian Bale Batman, it is, but
Speaker 3: they do a.
Speaker 2: Spoof on on the Robert Pattison one, so he's the
Speaker 2: Batman versus Batman. So we have Aquaman, Cyborg, Wonder Woman,
Speaker 2: the Batman, Superman, and the Joker. Who's anyway. So I
Speaker 2: had never seen any of the any of those movies
Speaker 2: because I just don't have time to also my head.
Speaker 2: I'm into Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and
Speaker 2: a little bit of Game of Thrones, and I just
Speaker 2: don't have anyone. I don't have any more ruined my
Speaker 2: head to know stuff, you know. I mean, we can
Speaker 2: talk silly really and all you want, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what comes in America is So I thought, if
Speaker 2: I'm going to be if I'm going to be doing this,
Speaker 2: you know, because they have, you know, the Lasso of
Speaker 2: Truth for wonder Woman. They have like every every character
Speaker 2: has their own little thing and we can't steal that sound,
Speaker 2: but they want to come as close as possible. So
Speaker 2: I okay, Well, so I'm watching Justice League. I just
Speaker 2: I got zoned into the folly in that movie. I
Speaker 2: was just like, holy, oh my god. I mean these
Speaker 2: are features so they can spend a day trying to
Speaker 2: get a sound. I mean, it's not like you got
Speaker 2: two hours to do this movie. It's not like that.
Speaker 2: It's they can just feature Folly is incredible, and I'll
Speaker 2: just you know, every now and then I'll just get
Speaker 2: hooked into one thing and then everything I watch, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm watching that playing attention tonight. So that's just the life.
Speaker 3: Of my world.
Speaker 1: So what advice would you give to someone wanting to
Speaker 1: get into this career, especially if they're just learning about
Speaker 1: it right now from this podcast episode.
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing is somebody who wants to get that,
Speaker 2: I'd say, choose another path because there are hundred thousands
Speaker 2: of people that know pro tools. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: unique now like it once was so then once it's
Speaker 2: so much of it is luck and being getting into
Speaker 2: the right place at the right time, you know. Like
Speaker 2: when I first started, all of the Norman Laar shows
Speaker 2: were shot at Metromedia where I recorded the phone hanging
Speaker 2: up and I came in as an overnight person to
Speaker 2: help the people in post production sound. So I worked
Speaker 2: on you know, All in the Family, the Jefferson's Good Times,
Speaker 2: you know, all of the Norman lay shows.
Speaker 3: Well that was.
Speaker 2: I mean, what an incredible beginning. So then as people
Speaker 2: in that there are only three of us in that department.
Speaker 2: So then the first person that left was the laugh guy.
Speaker 2: So then I became the laugh guy for a year,
Speaker 2: and then the next year the mixer left, so that
Speaker 2: I became the mixer. So that was like very you know,
Speaker 2: right place, right time, you know, I mean, you could
Speaker 2: have the most amazing qualities as a mixer, but if
Speaker 2: you aren't in the right place, if you don't know
Speaker 2: how to get in there, it's it's I don't know
Speaker 2: how I would tell anybody to even pursue that really was.
Speaker 2: It was an incredible You think about my very first
Speaker 2: experience orients in Hollywood was working with Norman Lair and
Speaker 2: his his shows. I think, does it get much better
Speaker 2: than that?
Speaker 5: Some of the best shows ever in the history of
Speaker 5: television right there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, amazing, absolutely groundbreaking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and then go.
Speaker 2: To rap parties and I would talk to him and
Speaker 2: just tell him how much it meant to me. You know.
Speaker 2: I remember telling Carol o' connor how much how much
Speaker 2: I loved his character and loved him, and he was
Speaker 2: just like, oh, sweetie, and kind of of my face,
Speaker 2: just like crazy and going to a One Day to
Speaker 2: Time rap party when Valerie and Eddie were just dating.
Speaker 2: They had just started really and it was so cute
Speaker 2: because they're like holding hands. They kind of walked around.
Speaker 2: He had on a powder blue tuxedo with like a
Speaker 2: ruffled shirt.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, just Eddie van Helen. He can
Speaker 3: wear whatever you want, I know, but it.
Speaker 2: Was, you know, it was just so sweet. It just
Speaker 2: watching them together. Everybody nobody, you know, bothered them, but
Speaker 2: everybody was just like, oh, that's so cute. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a great beginning. And I still work. There's
Speaker 2: one producer actually, the One Day to Time producer, Patricia Palmer.
Speaker 2: I still I still work with her. I did One
Speaker 2: Day at Time, was a reboot that we've just finished.
Speaker 2: Then I did another series earlier last year called How
Speaker 2: We Roll with Pete Holmes, who is the guy that
Speaker 2: plays the Batman and Maget and stuff. So time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, she and I have lunch together frequently,
Speaker 2: and we've known each other since nineteen seventy seven and
Speaker 2: I was only two. The ones that makes sense of course,
Speaker 2: of course, they made special allowances for child labor.
Speaker 1: You worked on so many shows on TV, from Seinfeld
Speaker 1: to Punky Brewster, to news radio to Motown forty to
Speaker 1: just shoot me. Did you ever think you would be
Speaker 1: here thirty years later talking about Boy Meets World? And
Speaker 1: what are your feelings about boy and Girl Meets World?
Speaker 2: Now, let's see first of all those lists that you
Speaker 2: that you laid off, that you did, I only did
Speaker 2: a couple of episodes of Seinfeld. I did the pilot
Speaker 2: news Radio about the series.
Speaker 3: And there's one more that you said, great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was that was crazy though. There there
Speaker 2: was one more that you mentioned that I only worked
Speaker 2: on a couple. So I just want to clear that up.
Speaker 1: So right in case people think you did all of that, give.
Speaker 2: Those mixers their props because they deserve it. Uh No,
Speaker 2: I would not. I couldn't even have imagined. When I
Speaker 2: was in San Diego working at a recording studio, you know,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make more than a dollar seventy
Speaker 2: five an hour, you know, and and then I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, well, the only way I'm going to make
Speaker 2: any money at this is I got to get up
Speaker 2: to LA. So I got up to LA and then
Speaker 2: my career just you know, just took off, and for
Speaker 2: me to think, now, in twenty twenty seven, I will
Speaker 2: have been here fifty years. Wow, And that's that's my
Speaker 2: I'm holding out for twenty twenty seven before I say, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to cut back a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: because I've always wanted That's just been a goal of
Speaker 2: mine to say I did this for fifty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2: So I look back so fondly on Girl and Boy.
Speaker 2: You know the people we've lost, like Arlen and Grayson,
Speaker 2: which was horrible. Ray Yeah, just recently Matt Nelson. I mean,
Speaker 2: these were people I loved. Yeah, and you know there
Speaker 2: were you know, Michael has this posse that comes with
Speaker 2: him to everything, and so the posse would come in
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, I just those sessions were just
Speaker 2: the highlight of my week. And I'll tell you something else.
Speaker 2: My mom died in nineteen ninety two, and all of
Speaker 2: the show shows I was working on, I'll set flowers
Speaker 2: she my parents were in Missouri, and so Boy sent flowers.
Speaker 2: But then Michael told Karen McCain, who took Arlene's place,
Speaker 2: that he wanted to send me flowers, and so he
Speaker 2: sent me a dozen white roses just in sympathy for
Speaker 2: having lost my mom. Had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 2: It was just for me. It's just like the most.
Speaker 1: And that was from when you were on Almost Home.
Speaker 1: Because if your mom died in ninety two, boy didn't
Speaker 1: start until ninety three, so.
Speaker 2: Really, so then okay, then that's when it was You're.
Speaker 1: Right, it was Almost Home and that's the first thing
Speaker 1: you had ever worked with him on. So it's not
Speaker 1: even like he did that because well, she's been a
Speaker 1: part of my team for years and years.
Speaker 3: That was just something he just cared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I totally lied about the rest of that.
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I remember way, who are you a kain? No?
Speaker 3: I I remember in.
Speaker 2: My own way, you know, whether it's I always tell
Speaker 2: to people just you know, get the gist of what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, not the details.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we're gonna have to go to lunch sometime
Speaker 5: because I want to hear those news radio stories. Oh,
Speaker 5: I would have to go. I would love to go those.
Speaker 5: That was one of my favorite shows, So I would.
Speaker 5: And then I worked with that whole crew right after
Speaker 5: Boy Me to World.
Speaker 3: So, oh did you on this on the show?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did, We did a show with that. I
Speaker 5: did a show with Andy Dick and Everyone was not
Speaker 5: a good show called Go Fish, but it was the whole.
Speaker 5: A lot of the crew coming off of news radio.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I would love to hear some of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it was challenging.
Speaker 3: And mostly because of the TV like that.
Speaker 2: Mostly because of the technology. If we had had what
Speaker 2: we have now with pro Tools, it would have been
Speaker 2: so much easier. But this is everything's being played back
Speaker 2: on tape. Well, if you want to move something, you know,
Speaker 2: five frames earlier, got a coffee it, copy it off
Speaker 2: from the tape to another tape, then the tape five
Speaker 2: frames and then he gets back of it. I mean.
Speaker 3: So cool.
Speaker 2: Well, pro Tools changed everybody's lives for the better. Definitely.
Speaker 1: Well, Tamara, we can't thank you enough for being here
Speaker 1: and sharing your time with us. You were an absolutely
Speaker 1: wonderful guest. Thank you for educating not just our dear listeners.
Speaker 3: But all of us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely on what goes into your job. And thank you
Speaker 1: for all the years and and uh dedication you put
Speaker 1: into making Boy Meet and Girl Meets World as.
Speaker 2: Much as my pleasure. Don't we made like Grandchild Meats World?
Speaker 1: You never know you know, I'd like I'd like a
Speaker 1: contact for Jack the laugh Guy, please, I want to
Speaker 1: tell you more to Jack.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I don't know if he would, if he would, come.
Speaker 3: On, Jack may refuse to talk to us. Guy's answering machine.
Speaker 2: They're very it's nothing, Hi, this is Jack. Leave a message.
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, I think everybody knows now
Speaker 2: that shows are left, you know, oh yeah, right, but
Speaker 2: you know, twenty years ago it was sort of like, no,
Speaker 2: we don't know. And I have worked with producers that
Speaker 2: they shoot in front of a live audience. But if
Speaker 2: that joke didn't get a laugh, he's.
Speaker 3: Like, they're not going to put it didn't.
Speaker 2: Get a laugh, Nope, don't put anything in there. And
Speaker 2: in that case he uses the laugh Guy to smooth edits.
Speaker 2: Mostly know, like, you know, this has applause and then
Speaker 2: we cut and it cuts off, so we need to
Speaker 2: smooth that. And uh, you know. So there are those
Speaker 2: with integrity that say, nope, we didn't earn it, so
Speaker 2: we're not doing it. Not doing that. But I will
Speaker 2: tell you, well, all.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, thank you so much for great to
Speaker 1: see you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: All right, I can't believe that, so no wonder we
Speaker 1: don't have super vivid memories of her, even though she
Speaker 1: worked on every single episode, because.
Speaker 4: It always post was post was a mystery, especially with
Speaker 4: multi camera I knew nothing about multi caamer post until
Speaker 4: I was directing Girl. That was when I finally like
Speaker 4: went to editing sessions and I was like, because you know,
Speaker 4: we would actually a lot of our editing was kind
Speaker 4: of done on the fly. Yeah, they would be cutting
Speaker 4: between cameras for the live studio audience and then.
Speaker 3: Often that would be the edit.
Speaker 4: Like, it wouldn't change that much, And it wasn't, I mean,
Speaker 4: our at least I thought so until I directed. And
Speaker 4: then you get in there and you're like, no, I
Speaker 4: want to cut to this camera. I want to come
Speaker 4: to that camera, you know, and you have that creative input,
Speaker 4: but like post for as actors, you never know what
Speaker 4: post production is like.
Speaker 3: And I love that stuff.
Speaker 5: I love the little minutia of you know, the idea
Speaker 5: that she's getting the recording of a regular payphone and
Speaker 5: get I mean that stuff.
Speaker 1: I know that she went to a prop house and
Speaker 1: got a pistol and then in her own place is
Speaker 1: just waiting around.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's I could talk about that stuff all
Speaker 3: day too.
Speaker 4: Man Fully in particular is like my favorite thing in
Speaker 4: the world. I just I love watching fully sessions.
Speaker 3: I would yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Would totally like another job in Hollywood that would that
Speaker 4: I would kill to have.
Speaker 3: Is like just you know, fully artists, we so much
Speaker 3: so cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah great, Well, thank you all for joining us
Speaker 1: for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you
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Speaker 3: Oh the amount?
Speaker 1: How many times do you think we've heard at fifteen and.
Speaker 5: Just this part of the part of the lexicon. We
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Speaker 1: No, thank you, Pard Pass will send us out.
Speaker 3: Don't do it again. We love you all. Pod dismissed
Speaker 3: lip flaps. I should have given it to writer. What
Speaker 3: was I thinking? I would have done it too, you Chirk.
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