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Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny and Samantha. I welcome stuff. Never told

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Speaker 1: your production by her radio.

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Speaker 2: And for this feminist movie Friday, well, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I had to be real slow about that, but apparently

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Speaker 2: a horror movie. But we're making it AAPI because you know,

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Speaker 2: it's still AAPI History month and going with the classic

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Speaker 2: Korean horror A Tale of Two Sisters written and directed

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Speaker 2: by Kimji Wu. We're tapping into an old folklore which

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Speaker 2: was mentioned and we talked about a little bit with

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Speaker 2: the ladies of What's her Name podcast titled Jianghwa hongry

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Speaker 2: Yan Jeon, which translated the story of Junghua and Hungryan,

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Speaker 2: which is a fairly tragic fairy tale and in clues

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Speaker 2: why that story seems so sad to me when everybody

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Speaker 2: seems to kind of be okay with the ending. It's

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Speaker 2: just the whole ideal of reincarnation. It's not something I

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Speaker 2: with that, that gives you a little bit of like hope. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it still makes me very sad and feel like there's

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Speaker 1: It was sad, I thought, I personally thought it was

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Speaker 1: very sad before we start.

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Speaker 2: I guess content warning for so many traumatic and tragic

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Speaker 2: things here. Death by suicide is going to be mentioned,

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Speaker 2: affairs and just mental health diagnosis all throughout, so know that. Also,

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Speaker 2: it is a Korean horror movie, so it's extra tragic.

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Speaker 2: For some reason in my head, they have to make

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Speaker 2: it a little more damaging. It seems wow. And if

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be spoiling the hell out of it, even

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Speaker 2: though it is like a twenty two year old film. Pause.

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Speaker 2: You can actually go find it on Shutter, which is

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Speaker 2: not a sponsor at this point. They should be, though,

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Speaker 2: you really should be Shutter if you want sponsorships, where

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Speaker 2: are the ones? As well as AMC plus that's kind

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Speaker 2: of how they all have all of that. Again, not

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Speaker 2: a sponsor, but I did get a seven day free trial,

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Speaker 2: so me too. There you go. That's how we watched

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Speaker 2: it because there's nothing else. There's all like, it's not

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Speaker 2: even able to rent anywhere else. I was like, oh, okay, interesting,

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Speaker 2: seven day trial, and go come back and listen to

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Speaker 2: the rest of this episode. All right. So with all that, yes,

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Speaker 2: this movie was released in two thousand and three, and

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Speaker 2: there is an American remake titled The Uninvited, which is

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Speaker 2: a movie I have repeatedly watched and repeatedly forgotten about,

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Speaker 2: I've seen this. I think this happened like three or

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Speaker 2: could not remember what happened in The Uninvited, y'all, And

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Speaker 1: Couldn't remember really what happens in it, so it didn't matter.

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Speaker 2: You and I went back and forth and did this happen?

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Speaker 2: Maybe this happened. This happened. We're doing great.

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Speaker 1: That's good to say about the quality of the film. Actually,

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Speaker 2: su Yuan's room when Suyuan discovers her, The shock causes

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Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean she basically Sueyan

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Speaker 2: That's such a weird way to be, Like that means

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was going back and forth. You could see

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so it was it was a very dark grim.

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Speaker 2: it's like it was like Sumie wasn't that off about

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Speaker 2: like she may not have actually abused abused, but she abused, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there are themes. I guess we'll try to

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Speaker 2: however distorted. It is like the mother was there trying

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Speaker 2: she did. She to the point that she's even like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of the interesting thing is that

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Speaker 1: it's very evil stepmother. Yes, kind of a situation like

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Speaker 2: So my assumption was they were never there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think you're correct. Okay, But

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Speaker 1: the first time I watched it, I was okay, all

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Speaker 1: in I was like, oh, yeah, they're there. I thought

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Speaker 1: she was having moments of lucidity and moments of not okay,

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Speaker 1: But now I think you're correct.

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Speaker 2: Right, And the whole thing is like she had them

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Speaker 2: on her side of despising and making all the audience

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Speaker 2: think something in yun Ju is the villain here? Yes,

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Speaker 2: they're not far off. Speaking of so who is the

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Speaker 2: villain in this? In this scenario, I mean, Yunju is

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Speaker 2: not great. She absolutely let these like she could have

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Speaker 2: saved the su Yan and she refused to because you

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Speaker 2: wanted to make someone else miserable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like the best version I could

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Speaker 1: give her, the best read I could give of this,

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Speaker 1: what happened is that she had a moment where she

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Speaker 1: didn't know what to do, which she clearly did, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't about killing them. It was just like a

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Speaker 1: panicked moment and then she went in the hallway and

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Speaker 1: then acted terribly and let them die. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like even the best read I can think of is

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Speaker 1: not good right?

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Speaker 2: All right? Like I feel like she was sitting there

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Speaker 2: watching her like Suan scratching desperately trying to get out,

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Speaker 2: and just watched her. At first she was hold fed

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Speaker 2: and then she's like, hmm, what do I do here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what I read that. Yeah. Oh so I also

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Speaker 2: would say again the father, useless father, maybe the whole villain,

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Speaker 2: because none of this would have happened had he had

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Speaker 2: had some decency and been faithful.

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Speaker 1: He's I was surprised at how much I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: this guy, he's not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: That nothing, not a thing, useless getting mad because she's

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Speaker 2: not okay.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that is a kind of restriction,

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Speaker 1: a restriction of the narrative maybe because like if we

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Speaker 1: as the audience, I don't know, uh, or they just

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Speaker 1: didn't give him any time. But I wonder if they

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Speaker 1: were really worried we would figure it out maybe, and

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Speaker 1: so they were like, let's just make him.

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Speaker 2: Let's just get this done. Well. Also, I know in

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Speaker 2: the fairy tale, because it also infuriated me, was that

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Speaker 2: the thought the uh, the noble man does nothing until

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Speaker 2: all these people other people die, and then finally one

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Speaker 2: shaman comes to like, ay, your wife right now, she's

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Speaker 2: the worst. You might want to get rid of her.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be cursed. And he didn't do anything until

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Speaker 2: he figured out he was gonna be cursed. So I

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Speaker 2: wonder if it's supposed to be like a play on

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Speaker 2: that too, lesson learned to useless. Yeah, of course there

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Speaker 2: comes at the very end revenge.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: So we see as Sue Yuan has the final moments

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Speaker 2: and like kind of sue it seems Sue Yun communicates

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Speaker 2: to Sue Me when she does the whistle to be

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Speaker 2: like I got this mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sue Me is like lying in a hospital

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Speaker 1: bed and smiles and like tears come out of her eyes, right,

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Speaker 1: and then you see Sue Yuan.

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Speaker 2: Climbing out the closet. They love making ghostly girls coming

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Speaker 2: out of like areas climbing.

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Speaker 1: It's scary, I get it, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Climbing under the bed. The grudge that was at the grudge.

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Speaker 1: The grudge is when she like opens the covers and

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Speaker 1: there's the nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Y'all. They pushed me on that one, and I still

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Speaker 2: have my moments about back because I was like, was

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Speaker 2: in my bed, this is my safe space? How dare you?

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Speaker 1: It was very clever because a lot of us think

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Speaker 1: the bed, you hide under the covers and that's your

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Speaker 1: safe space, and they were.

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Speaker 2: Like what if it's in there, which they kind of

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Speaker 2: had that with Sueyn having nightmares, but it was actually

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Speaker 2: me having nightmares for so young. Yes, anyway, y'all, if

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Speaker 2: you like horror movies, you should go take the time

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Speaker 2: to watch this one and then come tell us what

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Speaker 2: we need to.

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Speaker 1: Know, tell us your interpretation. Yeah, because I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: it's based off this fairy tale. But Samantha and I

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Speaker 1: we were discussing it before and we were like, well,

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Speaker 1: what was this which I like? I like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we love a good like on like unfinished

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Speaker 2: not unfinished, but like I like if.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of I have to kind of think about it.

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Speaker 2: And it leaves people to have different interpretation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I honestly like all types of horror movies, but

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Speaker 1: I do like the type that leave leave it up

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Speaker 1: for interpretation and discussion.

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Speaker 2: Is as good or is this bad? Or what's just happened?

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Speaker 2: Was it real or wasn't it exactly?

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