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All right, We've got a lot of big 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: news today. I'm going to start right with what I 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: saw first thing this morning in the Los Angeles Times, 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: which we're all the terrible but accurate things I say 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: about the Times, they have shined like I haven't seen 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: a news outlet shine in a long time, covering what 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: caused the fire, and how incompetent the fire management was 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: at the Los Angeles Fire Department, and how incompetent all 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: the public officials were in politicians, and today you know, 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: slowly the story is coming out. They tried hard to lie, lie, 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: cover up, deny, but slowly the onion gets peeled. And 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 2: here's today. Take you back to January first. The original 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: fire started by that weird, creepy guy that they rested 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: recently starts the fire. They put it out on January first, 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: January second, there were firefighters still mopping up. They call 26 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: it the Lockman fire. And they said, and they told 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: this to their battalion chief. The ground was still smoldering, 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: the rocks are still hot. The battalion chief, who's not named, said, 29 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: we're going anyway, We're leaving. He ordered the firefighters to 30 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: roll up their hoses and pull out. This is on 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: January second, five days before it exploded into the Palisades fire. 32 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: The fire had been declared contained the day before. And 33 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: now the battalion chief said, everybody up. He did not 34 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: want to stay and make sure there were no hidden 35 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: numbers that could spark a new fire. How do we 36 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: know this well, the La Times got a hold of 37 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: a series of text messages that the firefighters sent to 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 2: each other and also some mysterious third party, so they 39 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: have it in writing. They quote the writing here. A 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: firefighter who was at the scene on January second, wrote 41 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: that the battalion chief that we told him we told 42 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: the battalion chief it was a bad idea to leave 43 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 2: the burn scar unprotected because everybody could see the smoldering. 44 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: So it wasn't just hikers who kept calling in smoldering 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: and wisps of white smoke in the air. It was 46 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: the firefighters themselves saw it, and they're telling the battalion chief. 47 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: And this is right here. 48 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: This is at the heart of the incompetence, the heart 49 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: of this mistake. Why would a battalion chief tell everybody 50 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: to go home? It makes no sense. Later on, I'll 51 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: tell you there are several former firefighters by name. They 52 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: were leaders in the fire department who said, well, no, 53 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: you don't do that. So what's with this guy? And 54 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: he ought to be named. This is going to be 55 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: at the centerpiece of the lawsuits. LA Times called the 56 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: La Fire Department. They declined to comment. LA Fire Department 57 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: chief Ronnie Vanueva. He's the one who replaced Kristin Crowley. 58 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: He said in a statement just a few weeks ago 59 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: that the Palisades fire was not due to failed suppression 60 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: of the original fire. He said it was the result 61 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: of undetectable and undetectable holdover fire that lived deep within 62 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: the roots, except it didn't live deep within the roots. 63 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: It was right there at the surface with smoke coming out, 64 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: and the rocks were giving off heat. 65 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: So what Van Auevas said was false. 66 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: Going back to the text messages, the firefighters complained that 67 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: the commanders failed to make certain that the bop up 68 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: was finished. A second firefighter said that the crews at 69 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: stationed sixty nine in the Palisades were surprised they were 70 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: told to roll up their hoses. 71 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: Firefighters told them the tree stumps were still hot. 72 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: And the hoses had been left there in case hidden 73 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 2: embers sparked a flare up. But apparently the battalion chief 74 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: maybe there were other others in management, I don't know, 75 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: but they said, no, we're going. The firefighter also wrote 76 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: that he and his colleagues knew immediately that the January 77 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: seventh fire was a rekindling of the January first blaze. 78 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Now why did the firefighters leave? 79 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: What? 80 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: You know, why did they Why did they stay? Anyway? 81 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: Well, the firefighters were upset when they were told to 82 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: pack up and leave, but they couldn't ignore orders. 83 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: There's something wrong with that. I understand all. 84 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: These you know, the military, the police, the fire department. 85 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: You got to obey your orders, but somebody at the 86 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: very least make a public stink. And how about warning 87 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 2: everybody in the neighborhood. Somebody's got to go rogue. Somebody's 88 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: got to have some courage. I don't agree with this 89 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: whole thing. Well, I was following orders. You know that 90 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: that was an excuse given by that those two idiot 91 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: cops when Derek Chauvin was was murdering George Floyd. 92 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: Well you can't. You can't contradict your elite officer. There 93 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: no here. 94 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: The firefighters should have made a big stink out of this, 95 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: and it should have been public. You go to every 96 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 2: person in the palace ades today. I bet they wish 97 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: one of the firefighters had blown the whistle on this. 98 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: Put a message online. You don't need that puts your 99 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: name to it. Just spread it around the next door 100 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: app would have gotten a lot of attention. The battalion 101 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: chief listed on being The LA Times says that the 102 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: battalion chief who is listed as being on duty on 103 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: January two was a battalion chief named Mario Garcia. He's 104 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: not commenting, he's not responding. Now, these are pretty heavy 105 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: charges against Mario Garcia. The accusations point towards extreme incompetence, 106 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: tragic decision. And when we come back, I'll tell you 107 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: what other former LA Fire Department officials have said should 108 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: have been done. And also I want to point out 109 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: more lies, more false information at the very least that 110 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: the interim chief, Ronnie Villanueva, has been selling after Kristin 111 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: Crowley got fired. By the way, they called Kristin Crowley, 112 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 2: she didn't respond. They called Karen Bass, she didn't respond. 113 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: Mary Garcia didn't respond. Nobody responds. And it turns out 114 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: the LA Fire Department, especially the commanders, really really screwed 115 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: this up badly, a huge, deadly botch, which is what 116 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: everybody suspected. And the apologists came out and said, no, no, no, 117 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: we have the finest firefighter. You know, It's like when 118 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: people defend teachers even though three quarters of the kids 119 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: graduate without being able to read. Oh yeah, you know, 120 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: the teachers or national research. You know, just because you 121 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: wear a uniform, you're well trained, you have an important 122 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: job teaching your kids, protecting lives, doesn't mean that there's 123 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: not a culture of incompetence, especially in management. 124 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: Talk more about it. 125 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: Next you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI 126 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 127 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: A powerful story here in Los Angeles Times, and it's 128 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: about the massive incompetence of LA Fire Department management in 129 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: handling the Palisades fire. Just to briefly run it down 130 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: again if you're just joining us, there was an original 131 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: New Year's Day fire on January first that was put out, 132 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: so the LA Fire Department said, But on January second, 133 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: firefighters found that the rocks were still hot, the ground 134 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 2: was smoldering, the tree stumps were hot, and that they 135 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: should stay on duty and continue monitoring the land there 136 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: that was clearly smoldering. Clearly there was smoke coming out, 137 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 2: and a battalion chief, according to the firefighters, said no, 138 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: roll up your hoses. Everybody go home. This is according 139 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: to text messages that the LA Times has seen and 140 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: was quoting in this story. It's a great story, Paul 141 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: Pringle and Eleen check Mitian, and this is the way 142 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: you do it. The crew members were upset, but they 143 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 2: wouldn't ignore orders. That's a no no. So by listening 144 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: to a bad order, people died and thousands of homes 145 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: burned down. I don't get that I really don't understand that. 146 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: I don't understand the salutes that everybody's supposed to give 147 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: to your commanders when clearly something dangerous and bad can happen. 148 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: Kind of tired of hearing that over the years. That's 149 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: what they said, That's what the commander said. The battalion 150 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: chief is Mario Garcia. He did not respond to requests 151 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: for comment. I'm going to go through this again. Ronnie 152 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: van Aweva, the interim chief, did not respond to a 153 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: detailed list of questions from The Times. Karen Bass did 154 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: not respond to written questions or an interview request. Former 155 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: fire chief Kristin Crowley, who was in charge at the time, 156 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: did not respond to an email request for comment. Vienna Weeva, 157 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: the interim chief, said that the firefighters stayed in the 158 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: area for more than thirty six hours and cold trailed it, 159 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: meaning they used their hands to feel for heat, dug 160 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,239 Speaker 2: out hotspots, and chopped. 161 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: The line around the perimeter. Apparently that's false. 162 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 2: He also claimed that the firefighters return on January third 163 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: for another round of cold trailing after a report of 164 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: smoke in the area. We went back there again. We 165 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 2: dug it all out, We did everything we could cold 166 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: trail again, we did all that. Well, Uh, many hikers 167 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: have proven otherwise. They've got video they called nine one 168 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: one nine one one told them to pound sand really 169 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: unless they see flames? Where did that rule come from? 170 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: Unless you see flames? After a pretty big fire in 171 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: New Year's Day nine one one, we've even passed a 172 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: call through. 173 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: Again. 174 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: You know what you got to do is you got 175 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: to go right up to the fire station there. You 176 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: got to start calling a call here, call our show 177 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: called intelevision stations. Go on social media, for goddeness sakes, 178 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: you go on social media and there's endless nonsense of 179 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: people sticking their rear ends out in the air, twerking 180 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: and dancing. 181 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: You don't like that, no, well depends. Uh, this is 182 00:12:58,679 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: what normally goes on. 183 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: And nobody wants to spend five minutes and put out 184 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: a message. It's like, hey, look here, now there's smoke 185 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: coming out. 186 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: Of the ground. 187 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 2: Hey look at these hot stumps and hot rocks. And 188 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: is nobody going to talk? Is again Karen Vass and 189 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: now this Mario Garcia and Ronnievianueva and Kristin Crowley. Everyone 190 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: is now going to go into hiding and we're not 191 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: going to respond. 192 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 5: Why is it taking this long for all this information 193 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 5: to even come out. It's almost been a year. 194 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what's amazing is even the federal investigation 195 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: didn't produce this information, although they said the fire smolded 196 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: and burned for days underground. All right, Now, here's some 197 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: of the people who used to work for the LA 198 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: Fire Department. Battalion Chief Rick Crawford, he said, based on 199 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: his experience fighting wildfires, we're talking about something that was 200 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: just beneath the service surface. 201 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: Rather. He retired last year. He now works for the 202 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: US Capital. 203 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: And he says the federal agency prefers the term holdover 204 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: to rekindle because rekindle implies that you didn't do your job. 205 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: Holdover suggest it was beyond our control. You see, they've 206 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: changed the language to cover up their incompetence because how 207 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: would we know. But it's the same thing, according to 208 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: Rick Crawford, He goes, you can get into semantics, but 209 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: the bottom line is whether the department used all the 210 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: tools available to put out the January first fire. 211 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: Out and it did not. It did not. 212 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: And then you have Patrick Butler, former LA Fire Department 213 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: Assistant chief. He now is the fire chief in Redondo Beach. 214 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: It is common practice for firefighters to check on past 215 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: wildfires because you want to make sure it is dead out. 216 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: You don't leave until you have one hundred percent mop up, 217 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: because the fire can hide underground and reignite unexpectedly, even 218 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: weeks later. How come the guys who let the fire 219 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: department know this? And how come the people who work 220 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: for the fire department that day either didn't know this 221 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: or didn't care. 222 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: Did Kristin Crowley know this? Did Mario Garcia know this? 223 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, now you're having. 224 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: Testimony in real time. These are text messages firefighters talking 225 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: to each other saying, well, you know, we touched the rocks, 226 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: they were hot. We touched the tree stumps they were hot. 227 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: We felt the heat coming from the ground, We see 228 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: the smoke coming out. 229 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: This is corroborated by how. 230 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: Many hikers who had videos who called nine to one one. 231 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: Those messages are part of the public record, and now 232 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: Bass Rowley Vienaeva, Mario Garcia no comment, no comment. The 233 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: Times calls no comment, They emailed, no comment, They text 234 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: no comment, written questions, verbal questions, no comment, no comment. 235 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: Thousands of homes gone, lives, upended forever, dozen people dead, 236 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: burned or crisp no comment. Why wouldn't you keep For 237 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: God's sakes, you didn't have to keep that many firefighters there, 238 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: they'd already identified the problem. This is massive, deadly, tragic incompetence. 239 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: This should be criminal negligence, criminal incompetence. Honestly, people who 240 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: made these decisions really ought to go to prison for this. 241 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: There shouldn't be any protection, any immunity for this. 242 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: And for God's sakes, if. 243 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: You work in law enforcement, you work for the fire department, 244 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: and you see this kind of stuff going on, somehow 245 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: get the message out. It's not like we don't have 246 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: any communication channels these days. Good lord, this is this 247 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: is a travesty, absolute incompetence. And look at the cover up. 248 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: Look at the criminal cover up here by Karen Bassett, 249 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: her whole administration and the city council. This this, this, 250 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: this cannot go on. This should be it now, this 251 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: is proof. When we come back, Gavin Newsom, he's got 252 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: Diary of the Mouth, went on with Jonathan Carl who's 253 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: this hack correspondent for ABC News. 254 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: We've got some stuff to play. 255 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from kf I 256 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 4: Am six forty. 257 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: We spent the first half hour on this. This this 258 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: blockbuster story. Major credit to the La Times. They got 259 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: to hold the text messages of LA firefighters who were 260 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: telling the battalion chief the day after the New Year's fire, 261 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: it's a bad idea for us to leave. They were 262 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: smoldering going on. The rocks were hot, the tree stumps 263 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 2: were hot. It's clear the fire wasn't completely out. It 264 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: was still burning underground. It was still eminating a lot 265 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: of heat and fire policy normally would be you stick 266 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 2: around to put out in case it resurges. And they 267 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: say the battalion chief, Barrio Garcia, pulled everyone out, and 268 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: former La f Fire Department commanders say, that's a mistake. 269 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: You're supposed to stay. I've got something to add before 270 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: we get into the new some stuff because this report 271 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: you should listen to. This was from ABC seven. The 272 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: reporter is Kevin Osbeck, and he interviewed a Palisades fire 273 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: incident commander, Chief Deputy Joe Everett about the mistakes that 274 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: might have been made in this. 275 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: To the people of the city who've lost trust in 276 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: their fire department, what do you want to say to them, we're. 277 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 6: Going to use this as a blueprint for change and 278 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 6: we're going to be better. 279 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 7: And that starts by looking at the Lockman fire that 280 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 7: sparked on January first, and, according to federal investigators, smoldered 281 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 7: underground for a week before the fierce wings whipped it 282 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 7: into the devastating Palisades Fire January sixteenth. 283 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: Then LAFD assisted. 284 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 7: Chief Joe Everett for the West Bureau, which includes the Palisades, 285 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 7: spoke at a community meeting saying he was out of 286 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 7: town on New Year's but was on the phone with 287 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 7: the firefighters at the Lochman scene. 288 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 6: That fire was dead out. If it is determined that 289 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 6: was the cause, it would be a phenomenon. I had 290 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 6: full faith and belief that they did a good job, 291 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 6: and I do today and I stand by that word phenomenon. 292 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 7: According to this hose and equipment recovery memo obtained by 293 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 7: seven on your Side, the hose left on the Lockman 294 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 7: site in case of a flare up was taken back 295 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 7: on January third. 296 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: Was that a mistake? 297 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 7: Should those hoses have been kept in place longer? Should 298 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 7: firefighters been checking on that. 299 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: Burn scar longer? 300 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 6: Well? I mean in retrospect. I think that yes, But 301 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 6: I mentioned that question knowing about the devastation of the 302 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 6: January seventh fire. Did I feel confident with the officers 303 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 6: that were on seeing, with the firefighters and their boots 304 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 6: on the ground, with the work they did. Absolutely no. 305 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 7: Chief Everett says, to his knowledge, all. 306 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: Map up procedures for the Lockman fire were followed. But 307 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 3: from now on the LAFD will be flying heat detecting 308 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: drones over burn scars. Chief Everett was the incident commander 309 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: for the Palisades fire, calling many of the shots and 310 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: making critical decisions like evacuations. 311 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: But you notice he was out of the city too. 312 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: Did they say he was out of the city or 313 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: out of the country, out of town, out of town? 314 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah it was Karen Bashier was out of 315 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: the country. 316 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: So he's out of town. 317 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: This is his crew, and he's telling the the the 318 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: Palisades residents in that clip in mid January that the 319 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: fire was dead out. This really would be a phenomenon. 320 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: Then the FEDS come in and say, well, that's what happened, 321 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: and it's not a phenomenon. You should have left a 322 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: crew there, and everybody who used to work for LA 323 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: Fire Department that's being interviewed by the La Times said, yeah, 324 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 2: there should have been a crew there because this is 325 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: what happens. The battalion chief Rick Crawford, and also the 326 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: UH former assistant chief Patrick Butler. So why did the 327 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: battalion chief pull the crew? Nobody's nobody's explained this yet, Joe, 328 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: every kind of UH, don't give you that Hide and 329 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: Sight twenty twenty nonsense. I can't stand that you are trained, 330 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: You are educated, you had the experience. I think if 331 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: you put me in Deborah and Eric and Ray out 332 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: in the field and we see hot stumps and hot 333 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: rocks and smoke coming out of the ground, even we'd say, wow, 334 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: maybe we should have a fire crew sticking around here. 335 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 5: I get pissed off when people flick their ashes from 336 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 5: their cigarette in my neighborhood. 337 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: That yeh's right. If you flick ashes, that's enough to 338 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: start a five. 339 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 5: Yes, some people do that all the time, and I 340 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 5: get pissed off. 341 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: I don't understand how could that not be a risk 342 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 2: when clearly it was so hot, it was emanating heat 343 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: and sending up wisps of smoke. 344 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: And then you had all that video by all those hikers. 345 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: I don't understand they're saying, oh, well, you know in hindsight, 346 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: but I have confidence we all did the. 347 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: No, you didn't. You didn't do the best you could. 348 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: You did a terrible job. I mean, really, this was. 349 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: If this wasn't a disastrous job, what is a disastrous job. 350 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: You stayed at the scene, you would have put it 351 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: out on January seventh. Oh yeah, even we don't even 352 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: put it in the context of Now we're in the 353 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: middle of all these red flag warnings, these dire predictions 354 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: from the National Weather Service eighty to one hundred mile 355 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 2: an hour winds, right, extreme fire conditions, extreme wind conditions, 356 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: and so but firefighters know this, all these commanders and 357 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: battalion chiefs and whatever the hell their titles are, they 358 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: know this. 359 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: Just wan don't understand. 360 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: They know this better than the National Weather Service is 361 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: saying red flag warning, extreme fire danger, extreme wind danger. 362 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: And then you have this hot spot with the stumps 363 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: and the rocks and the smoke whisping up. 364 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: You leave. 365 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: I I don't understand this, you know. I call it incompetence. 366 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: I just can't believe anybody could be that incompetent. How 367 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: could you be that incompetent. That's that's mind boggling. That's impossible. 368 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: It's impossible when you have all this evidence that you 369 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: have a serious hot spot here and you have that 370 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 2: extreme forecast, that anybody in their right mind would walk away. 371 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: I think even little kids and pets would figure it out. 372 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: So what's going on here? 373 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: And how come everybody walked away? And everybody's judgment was 374 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 2: at a commission? Well, I mean it does say some 375 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: of the firefighters pushed back. 376 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: Who we have to fall orders? 377 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: And one guy's out of town and basses out of 378 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 2: the country, and everybody denies it. Afterwards, every you said, 379 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: oh no, this was unprecedented and we did everything. 380 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: We could never seen anything like it. What a phenomenon. 381 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: Oh my wow, you're all liars. You're a bunch of 382 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: ass covering wars. And you know it. Who's the first 383 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: person who's going to walk forward and say you're right? 384 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: We really fed up? We screwed this up so badly. 385 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: We were. We were incompetent, negligent, admit it. Every every 386 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: single person in the Palisades knows it. Anybody paying attention 387 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: to this story knows it. I know it, and you 388 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: guys know it. Admit it already, your lawyers know it. 389 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: This is this is beyond a reasonable doubt evidence the 390 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: firefighter's own words. 391 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 4: All right, you're listening to John Cobbels on demand from 392 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 4: kf I Am six forty. 393 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: We'll do the new some stuff because there's just too 394 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: much of it in the two o'clock hour after Carl Demiel. 395 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: Carl is going to come on first because if this 396 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: Prop fifty passes, it's going to set up some of 397 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: the representatives in California that voted for it. It's going 398 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: to create protected congressional seats for them, and Carl wants 399 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: to do something about that. So we'll talk to Carl 400 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: after Debra's news, and then we've got Newsom on ABC 401 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: News getting his body oiled up by Jonathan Carl, who's 402 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: this hacked political reporter. 403 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: In fact, I have a list. I think I wrote 404 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: down twenty issues that Jonathan Carl could have asked about 405 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: Newsom's performance here in the state. Instead, they spent most 406 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: of the time on Trump, and Newsom liede like hell 407 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: about many things. 408 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: Anyway, unbelievable. They're all in it together now. Yesterday we 409 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: mentioned that the air traffic controllers are calling in sick. 410 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: They're upset they're not getting paid because of the government shutdown. 411 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: This is the idiocy of the federal government here that 412 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: if you're going to do a shutdown, you do a 413 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 2: carve out for air traffic controllers. You think, well, they 414 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: didn't so they only got partial payments on the fifteenth 415 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: of October. They're getting no payments this week, and then 416 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: if you go another two weeks, there were these these 417 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: families are really going to be in trouble. It goes 418 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: without saying the traffic controllers. Not only that, the TSA 419 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: agents they are also calling in sick by the hundreds. 420 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: So you got long security lines at the airports, and 421 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: you have flights all over the country yesterday delayed or canceled. 422 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: As of six o'clock last night, there were three thousand, 423 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen flights delayed, three one hundred and fifteen. 424 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: They had a ground stop at Newark Airport. Delays were 425 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: at fifty six minutes in Boston, thirty two minutes at 426 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: Washington National, forty five minutes in San Diego. And the 427 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: controllers have been calling in sick more often, and what 428 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: they're doing is going and working at their second job 429 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 2: that they took to cover during this period. 430 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 5: This is chaotic and we have Thanksgiving coming up next 431 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 5: month and then Christmas. 432 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the controllers are working mandatory overtime six days a week, 433 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: ten hours a day. 434 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: They're not getting paid and they have nothing to pay 435 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: their bills with. 436 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: You're going to do a shutdown, you got to prepare 437 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: for the consequences. 438 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just extreme incompetent. 439 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 5: Well, we said yesterday that members of Congress they should 440 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 5: not be paid pay the air traffic controllers and the 441 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 5: TSA agents. They're the ones that should be paid. 442 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: These shutdowns would never happen if their pay was cut. 443 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 5: Absolutely every day that the shutdown continues, there should be 444 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 5: some kind of lost in pay. 445 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there are you know, the and 446 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: the deduction. I should say, yeah, I mean I just don't. 447 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: I don't understand the idiocy at every level of government. 448 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 449 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: We've got hundreds of thousands of people up in the air. 450 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: What are you doing? This is what people ought to 451 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: be taken to the streets about. For all the dumb 452 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: ass protests we all have to endure, does anybody call 453 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: a congressman or a Senator and say what the bleep 454 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: is going on here? 455 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: Yeah? Thanksgivings coming up? 456 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 5: Yes, can you imagine. 457 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: This? This is like third world stuff? It really is. 458 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: When we come back, Carl demile, because part of the 459 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: Prop fifty scam is that some of the some of 460 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: the Democratic representatives voted for Prop fifty, got it on 461 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: the ballot, and now they're going to get a cushy 462 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: congressional seat waiting for them, a safe congressional seat because 463 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: some of them are getting turned out of the legislature. 464 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: Carl de Myle, Republican Assemblyman, is on next, and Deborah 465 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: Mark is live in the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. Hey, 466 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 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