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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's Almost Faus podcast. We are here today with breaking news, Yes,

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Speaker 2: breaking news. We found out about this news at about

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock Eastern time last night and decided to jump

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Speaker 2: on first thing this morning to discuss some updates that

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Speaker 2: we have found out regarding Paradise and also like what

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Speaker 2: was happening with the Bachelorette season. Obviously it's been announced

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Speaker 2: that it's not happening now, but what led up to

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Speaker 2: this moment. So we're here to discuss all the insider

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Speaker 2: secrets that we have gathered along with making some assumptions

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Speaker 2: that actually to date, Ashley and I'm going to sound

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Speaker 2: like our current president when I say this, we've been

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Speaker 2: very right on our assumptions. Like we're people are talking

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Speaker 2: about us and saying like, actually have bet are making

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Speaker 2: really good assumptions these days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so good at what we do. Of course,

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Speaker 3: what we did.

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Speaker 4: We could exclusively reveal some of the planning of the

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Speaker 4: dates that were happening right up until the show was canceled.

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Speaker 4: So our sources are saying that about seventy five percent

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Speaker 4: of the dates were planned, Like there were scouting locations

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Speaker 4: in Europe. We're hearing that Greece and Portugal were in

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Speaker 4: the mix, and there was going to be an.

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Speaker 3: iHeart podcast related date.

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Speaker 4: The hope was apparently that we Ben and I were

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Speaker 4: going to be part of a date with a lot

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Speaker 4: of the other iHeart hosts like Jenna Kramer, Cheryl Burke,

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Speaker 4: Jenny Garth, Kevin McHale, and Jenna Ushkwitz.

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Speaker 3: Just to name a few.

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Speaker 4: And the date was not like fully set in stone yet,

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Speaker 4: but the planning process was in full swing with one

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Speaker 4: of our producers, and there was going to be a

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Speaker 4: winner on this day. It was going to be a

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Speaker 4: competition date and the winner was going to go with

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Speaker 4: the bachelorette to the iHeartRadio Music Awards and walk the carpet.

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Speaker 4: March seventeenth is when the awards was supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: And then we found out that this was just not

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Speaker 4: going to happen. So it was way more shocking than

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Speaker 4: something to the production than I think we all assumed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's do our analytical receptions diagnosis of what

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Speaker 2: we know so far. So it wasn't the planning process,

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Speaker 2: So this decision was not made a year ago. It

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Speaker 2: was not made post even Gen season. This decision was

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Speaker 2: made in a moment's time, based on something that happened.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more into that here in a little bit.

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Speaker 2: This also, to me, Ashley, does not seem like a

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Speaker 2: money decision that this decision was not. I mean, money

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Speaker 2: always is involved, right If they thought they were going

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Speaker 2: to make a buku amount of bucks having this season air,

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Speaker 2: they would have found a way for it to air.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem like to me this was the

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Speaker 2: reason that the show didn't happen because and I say

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Speaker 2: this because they weren't just now like after Gin season

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Speaker 2: and seeing the ratings and kind of understanding how you know,

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Speaker 2: the Bachelorette and The Bachelor were being viewed. They didn't

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Speaker 2: just decide, hey, let's stick in LA like, let's do

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Speaker 2: an LA season. Let's make it as cheap as possible. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's not travel, let's do some like maybe like us

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Speaker 2: stuff where we can drive or like quick easy flights.

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Speaker 2: They were still considering an international experience. So money, to

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Speaker 2: me doesn't seem like the culprit. And so now we

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Speaker 2: have to ask ourselves the question, what did happen? We

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of information on from our inside

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Speaker 2: source on possibly what did happen Ashley, Let's talk about

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Speaker 2: some of the people they were considering to be the

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Speaker 4: Okay, so there are two girls from Grand season that

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Speaker 4: we're being considered. But here are the juicy there's the

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Speaker 4: juicy news. We're pretty certain that Maria Maria from Joey's

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Speaker 4: season was a front runner, as we thought that she

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Speaker 4: was a front runner to be the Bachelorette during gen season.

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Speaker 4: The source says that they don't know exactly what happened,

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Speaker 4: but they couldn't make Maria happen, and that's why the

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Speaker 4: show didn't get picked up because they just didn't think

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Speaker 4: that they had a I'm assuming that they didn't think

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Speaker 4: get enough ratings. They also say that The Bachelor didn't

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Speaker 4: get picked up because the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives,

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Speaker 4: the show that they sometimes have play after the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 3: It seems like they may have wanted that more.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean wanted it?

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Speaker 3: More like if they couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Get the Bachelorette, they wanted they were like, this is

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Speaker 2: So let's pause here. The Secret Life of Mormon Wives

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Speaker 2: is now what we assume going to hold a prime

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Speaker 2: time time slot on ABC, which is owned by Disney

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Speaker 2: on Monday nights instead of The Bachelorette.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and again it is an assumption that it's being

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Speaker 4: replaced with the Bachelorette because it's the same demographic, same

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Speaker 4: type of age group wants to watch this show as

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Speaker 4: a bachelorette, and they couldn't make the Bachelorette the person

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Speaker 4: they wanted work. Let's also say that our sources were

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Speaker 4: saying that they were thinking about Alchill giving Rachel Rekia

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Speaker 4: a redo. They said that her name was floated around.

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Speaker 4: But there is a reason that she couldn't do it,

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Speaker 4: and we can't reveal that at real time.

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Speaker 2: But we do know the reason.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say we personally do, and we will

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Speaker 4: tell you soon enough. But production and fans love Rachel,

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Speaker 4: and I would have loved to see Rachel have her

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Speaker 4: own season. She's so likable. I really really love that girl.

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Speaker 4: But there's something else exciting that's happening for her.

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Speaker 2: So okay, what we know so far is Maria Rachel too.

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Speaker 2: Girls from Grand Season were being considered for the lead

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Speaker 2: of The Bachelorette. It sounds like from our source that

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Speaker 2: Maria was the front runner, that it felt like the

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Speaker 2: powers that be really wanted Maria to be the lead

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Speaker 2: of this season. And it almost seems to me, based

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Speaker 2: show because somebody that had a lot of influence over

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Speaker 2: the show was fairly stuck on this Maria storyline and said,

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Speaker 2: if we're not going to do Maria, it's not worth doing.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we could say stubborn on the Maria thing, like

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Speaker 4: if you're not having Maria, you're not having anyone.

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Speaker 2: And it sounds like that, I mean, based on the

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Speaker 2: information we have, that seems like the reason that this

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Speaker 2: good enough. Even though I think there has been great seasons,

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Speaker 2: I still go back to I think the show took

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Speaker 2: a massive hit with the men that were cast for

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Speaker 2: Gen's season. I think Jen did a great job. I

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Speaker 2: of the Bachelorette, but the men on her season I

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Speaker 2: not going to really talk about it strategy. I think

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Speaker 2: the show is in a really tough place. I don't

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Speaker 4: And neither do the people at ABC. They say that

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Speaker 4: they think that the show will come back. They get

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Speaker 4: paradised last year, and now it's back and they're going

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Speaker 4: to just do the same thing.

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Speaker 3: With Bachelorette, just like a little reboot time.

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Speaker 4: Now. They're also saying that if they were going to

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Speaker 4: do the Bachelorette, they were going to bring some familiar

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Speaker 4: faces to the cast, Like we're hearing Sam from gen

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Speaker 4: Z and Sam Well, Sam, Oh, Sam, Which one was

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Speaker 4: the one that was like, oh, like attractive at first

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Speaker 4: but then then like turned There was a couple Sam Sam,

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Speaker 4: but the only one I really remember was the one

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Speaker 4: he's like kind of ugh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're actually I'm assuming we're talking about that Sam.

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Speaker 2: What an interesting choice to bring him back. Maybe it

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Speaker 2: is a little bit of a redemption moment, because we

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Speaker 2: do remember him having the conflicts with Devin and kind

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Speaker 2: So maybe they felt like Sam got a raw into

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Speaker 2: the deal because he was expressing something that now all

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Speaker 4: Good thinking, Wow, we were so team Devin, or at

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Speaker 3: We all were okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Until the end, and now we're not.

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Speaker 4: All right now what I have heard about Maria and Okay,

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Speaker 4: I pause here because I just I have a hard

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Speaker 4: time believing that anyone wouldn't want the role if being

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Speaker 4: asked to be the lead of this show, I can't believe.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's just from my own like I could never

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Speaker 4: time believing that anybody would. I know that Daisy truly

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Speaker 4: also majorly Daisy was rekindling things with her former flame

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Speaker 4: that she was asked to do the show and then

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Speaker 4: I've heard from people close to production that they did

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Speaker 4: want her to be the Bachelorette. They were like having

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Speaker 4: her do like lots of filming, and then in the

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Speaker 4: too difficult to work with. We can't do an entire

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Speaker 4: floating the idea. Then they were floating the idea of

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Speaker 4: Maria again and again. Maria, from our source, is saying

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Speaker 4: she wasn't willing to do it. Do you believe that

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Speaker 4: Maria wouldn't want to be the Bachelorette?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I think there would be it matter

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Speaker 2: what life's circumstances were going on. You know, obviously with Daisy,

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Speaker 2: you meant brought it up, she wasn't confident taking the

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Speaker 2: of what Maria's dating life is like and what her

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Speaker 2: personal life looks like now outside the show. And honestly,

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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert in that. I really don't know.

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Speaker 2: So I would be surprised if somebody was single. I'd

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Speaker 2: other show that they wouldn't be at least intrigued to

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Speaker 2: go on and become the lead, because if you really

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Speaker 2: are someone looking for love or someone looking to promote

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Speaker 2: the fact to the world that you're looking for love,

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Speaker 2: being the lead is a really great opportunity for that.

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Speaker 2: Now the show knows Maria. She showed her personality through

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Speaker 2: that first show that she was on. It's why people

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Speaker 2: fell in love with her, It's why she is somebody

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Speaker 2: had to know. This is why I have a hard

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Speaker 2: time with it who she is and who she was,

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Speaker 2: and how she would be to work with. And if

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Speaker 2: they wanted that fiery season, if they wanted that mix

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Speaker 2: between a kateln Bristow kind of season where somebody's going

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Speaker 2: to say what they're thinking, they're going to do what

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Speaker 2: they feel like, they're going to push back a little

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Speaker 2: bit against production, and it makes for a great watch,

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Speaker 2: then Maria would be a tremendous choice. It would shake

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Speaker 2: things up a lot, and I actually personally think she

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Speaker 2: because it would be that raw, authentic moments of like

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Speaker 4: Well, we all know that they have some decision making

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Speaker 4: Well technically, Ben, they did pause The Bachelor at in

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Speaker 2: Thousands, totally different time.

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Speaker 4: I believe that it's starting to film in May, that

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. It can't be happening.

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Speaker 4: please have the Goldens dating in paradise. I know that

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Speaker 2: Can I ask the question that everybody's thinking, Yeah, is

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's going to happen if I do believe

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Speaker 2: Is that hilarious? I mean for me, like, hey, love

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I think that a guy will probably make

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Speaker 2: Okay. Again, there's a side of me that would love

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Speaker 3: Oh, Ben, that's like so sweet.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, give me TV. And You're like, no,

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Speaker 4: That'll be like an episode or two that's kind of

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Speaker 2: A couple things I want to mention. Because the Bachelotte

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Speaker 4: And going off that, Ben, why do you think they've

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Speaker 2: For Paradise I actually, and again I'm making an assumption here.

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Speaker 4: Mean, like some of our classics, they were just like,

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Speaker 4: I can't do Paradise.

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Speaker 4: I think it was like a clean slate, though I

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Speaker 2: Again, I have no idea. I have no clue on

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Speaker 2: What's the living condition? Is now going to be? Right?

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Speaker 4: We love that and we love that like they were

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Speaker 4: And I do know one more thing to add before

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Speaker 2: So much happening in the Bachelor world. This is the

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Speaker 2: you have a great weekend. I hope you enjoy your time.

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Speaker 2: It's cold across the country right now, so warm up,

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