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Also today, 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: the classic panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano are Democratic 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: analysts along with Republican strategist Rick Davis in for the Hour. 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: Since one of the most closely watched races in the 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: country right now that will determine the next governor of Virginia. 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: Seen as a bell weather nationally and if you live 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: in Virginia or across the river in d C, you 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: cannot hide from it. I'm Terry mccaulloff, candidate for governor 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: and I sponsored this had What kind of governor would 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: Glenn Young can be? Trump represents so much of why 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm running. I'm people, I'm not a politician. I spent 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: thirty years building business and getting big things done. This single, 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: biggest issue, this is the most important issue. He's talking 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: about the election fraud. Putting Trump's agenda first. I get 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: asked a lot about right to work. Mcculloff has publicly 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: dodged questions about whether he repealed Virginia's right to work. 39 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Long you can play the ads for the rest of 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: this hour. I won't Democrat Terry mccaulloff, the former governor 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: versus Republican Glenn Youngcan you got it? Spending together a 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: combined thirty six million dollars on TV ads according to 43 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: The New York Times, and generating national headlines in a 44 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: race that he has seen right or wrong by the 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: political news media as a referendum on Donald Trump and 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: on cultural issues like vaccine mandates, abortion rights schools. Latest 47 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: poll show mccaulliff holding a thin leave This thing has 48 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: been tightening. He's up by only four points according to 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: the latest out this week from Christopher Newport University. And 50 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: we're joined right now by the political science behind that pole. 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: Dr Rebecca Brownlee TRUHILLO Research director of c n US 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: Watson Center. Welcome Dr to Bloomberg Radio. Is this race 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: too close to call? I would say it leans democratic. 54 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point mccaulliffe has a slight edge, 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: but this could easily go Younkin's way depending on the 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: voter turnout that we see in the state. That sounds 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: like a very tight situation. It has been tightening though, 58 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: right where did you have him a couple of weeks 59 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: ago with compared to now at four points spread? Yeah, 60 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: so we had definitely seen tightening in this race. So 61 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: back in August late August, we were showing mccaulliffe up 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: by nine points. Our most recent poll shows him up 63 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: by four points, so that's an obvious tightening. Although I 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: want to say that that tightening happened a couple of 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: weeks ago and it's still staying around a three point 66 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: four point lead for mccaulliffe, So I don't know that 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: it's further tightening, but we'll have to see what goes 68 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: on in the next couple of weeks. I want to 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: ask you about the Trump factor after the former president 70 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: called into a rally last night for Young can One 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: that by with Away Younkin did not attend himself. Here's 72 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump speaking to the as Build Take Back Virginia rally. 73 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: Glenn Junkin is a great gentleman, really successful. He loves 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: the stake. We've got to get him in. I know 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: Jerry mccolluff very well, and Terry was a lousy governor 76 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: with raising taxes. That's all they knew. How to Do Okay. 77 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: It was organized by the former Trump campaign Share in Virginia, 78 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: a talk show host, and featured remarks by Steve Bannon, 79 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: among others. They all reiterated the election with stolen. They 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: pledged allegiance as well to an American flag that was 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 1: carried by protesters in Washington on January six. The current governor, 82 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: Ralph north Of, a Democrat, held a conference call today 83 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: to denounce that event. Last night's rally featured the same 84 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: whole lies about the election and that truly offensive celebration 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: of an attempt at coup and Glenn Glenn, go ahead, 86 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: you sink the organizers for hosting that. Did he think 87 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: Glenn was going to reply to him anyway? I don't 88 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: know if you've seen this, doctor, but we just got 89 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: a statement since we just took air from the young 90 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: In campaign. It says, well, I had no role in 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: last night's event. I have heard about it from many 92 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: people in the media today. He says, quote, it's weird 93 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: and wrong to pledge allegiance to a flag connected to 94 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: January six. Does it matter if he was not there 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: in person? I mean, certainly it's pretty easy to connect him, 96 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: even if he wasn't there, but you know, you can 97 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: really has to walk a tight rope. He needs to, 98 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, appease Trump voters, but he also needs to 99 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: be a moderate candidate in Virginia, which is a state 100 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: that is bluish. You know, this is a trending blue state, 101 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: and in order for a Republican to win in this state, 102 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: they really have to maintain mostly moderate positions. And so 103 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: he wants to make sure that he doesn't le innate 104 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: Trump because obviously there are voters out there that still 105 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: support Trump in the state. But at the same time, 106 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: it's certainly more effective for him to put a gap 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: between himself and the former president, but it's also effective 108 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: for the McCaul of campaign to try to tie him 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: to Trump write to motivate Democrats. Uh So he's been 110 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: trying to do this throughout the campaign, and certainly he's 111 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: put out a number of ads linking Trump to Younken. 112 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: And in ways that's easy and in ways it's difficult. 113 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: And so where it's easy is that you know, certainly 114 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: younkn has received the endorsement of former President Trump, and 115 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: but on the other hand, I would say Younken's issue 116 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: positions are not quite Trumpian, and so it's difficult in 117 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: that sense. And and certainly McCall is strategy to nationalize 118 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: this race and tie Younk into Trump is probably his 119 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: best bet, but it's it's been difficult for him. In 120 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, millions tens of millions of 121 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: dollars in on ads. We just gave our listeners a taste, 122 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: as you heard, doctor, or are any of them working? 123 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: And what does it tell you when candidates are pumping 124 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: this much money into a statewide election. Well, it's certainly 125 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: telling that this is a very important election, and it's 126 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: very contentious. And so this is really a test for 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: President Biden. It's also a test for Virginia Democrats, who 128 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: have held power in the state for quite some time now. 129 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: And so really it's a referendum on both state actors 130 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: and national actors, and certainly Democrats that nationally would hate 131 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: to see a state like this going to a Republican 132 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: candidate because the state is considered blue. And you look historically, 133 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, Virginia has not elected a Republican statewide since 134 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. But on the other hand, this is 135 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: still a state that is only really a kind of 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: plus for democratic state. And so if you see high 137 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: enthusiasm among Republicans and then this it easily swing to 138 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: a Republican candidate, especially when you have those national headwinds 139 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: with the president who's not particularly popular. It's interesting you 140 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: mentioned two thousand nine. I remember that race very well. 141 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: It was it's considered sort of part of the fallout 142 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: from Obamacare or a kind of a reaction to the 143 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Obama administration and healthcare reform. Bob McDonald, of course that gosh, 144 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: I remember him delivering the Republican response to the State 145 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: of the Union. I believe it was. He was considered 146 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: on the shortlist to run for president and he ran 147 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: into scandal. Of course, But are there are there parallels 148 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: that we can fairly make between now and the Biden 149 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,359 Speaker 1: economic agenda, for instance, turning some state elections to Republicans. 150 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: So I say there are some parallels. I mean, certainly, 151 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: this idea of an unpopular president influencing the statewide race 152 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: in Virginia is certainly there. On the other hand, I'd 153 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: say the backlash to the Affordable Care Actor Obamacare was 154 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: much larger than the backlash we're seeing right now to 155 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: Biden's agenda and so I'd say it's not quite as 156 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: bad in terms of the national forces in this race 157 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: as it was in two thousand nine. And you've also 158 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: got very different candidates, of course, but man, those national 159 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: factors really pushed statewide races, you know, where voters aren't 160 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: paying as much attention, and so you know, what's going 161 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: on nationally is certainly going to play a role. Well, 162 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: the irony is not lost on me that the actual 163 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: Barack Obama himself is coming to stump for Terry mccauliffe. 164 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: What does that tell us about the state of affairs here? 165 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: And will Joe Biden do the same? You know, I 166 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: don't expect Joe Biden to do the same, because he's 167 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: not super popular in the state or nationally right now. 168 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: He's got a struggling agenda and Congress, and so Democrats 169 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: are kind of unhappy in general, not very enthusiastic, And 170 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: so I think mccaulliff honestly would like to distance himself 171 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: a little bit from Biden. But when he's asked, he 172 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: keeps saying, no, he's he's something. Yes, it is a 173 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: little interesting that he said that, but but yeah, certainly 174 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that he would really welcome it. Uh, 175 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: he did at the beginning of the campaign, and that 176 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: was a different time though truly a different time, and 177 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Biden's approval rating has stated since then. Obama, on the 178 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: other hand, is a more popular figure. Yes, Obama and 179 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: Biden are LinkedIn ways, but there's still separate individuals and 180 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't think the same kind of unhappy feelings are 181 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: residing for people with Obama. So I think it's a 182 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: safer bet for mccalliffe to have Obama here um campaigning 183 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: for him. Talking with Dr Rebecca brownly to Hero who 184 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: handles Virginia State polding for Christopher Newport University the Wasson 185 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: Center for Public Policy, just before you leave us, talk 186 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: to me about the changing demographics in Virginia. So much 187 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: of this has to do with the suburbs around Washington, 188 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: d C. Right, That's why it's it's blue or maybe 189 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: a shade of purple. But there's a big bunch of 190 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: Virginia outside of Washington that see is the world very differently? 191 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: How much will the suburbs in the tech quarter in 192 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: Virginia helped to decide this race? Huge? I mean, this 193 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: is yes, You're absolutely right, the shifting demographics in this state. 194 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: The reason that this has been a trending blue state 195 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: is the suburbs. So the explosion of the suburbs in 196 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: northern Virginia. You also see you know, Chesapeake Virginia Beach. 197 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 1: There are other areas that have shifted towards Democrats and 198 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: sometimes unexpected ways. And this is generally Democrats are doing 199 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: better in the suburbs. And that's true in Virginia as well. 200 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: And you know people are coming into Northern Virginia from 201 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: different backgrounds. You know, you have more immigrants, you have 202 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: more historically underrepresented minorities, So you know that is certainly 203 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: very different place than it was ten even five years ago. 204 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Dr Rebecca Bromley Trigillo, many thanks for your expertise on 205 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: the program. Will as semble the panel. Next. This is Bloomberg. 206 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Son on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 207 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll learn something from this election in Virginia. We 208 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: always learned something from the panel. We've got the classic 209 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: lineup today with Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis, 210 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: who is no stranger to Virginia politics, and they're with 211 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: us now as we talk about the ad wars here, 212 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars Rick Davis for an election that 213 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: is not yet complete, more than half as I read 214 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: sixty according to the New York Times, our negative ads 215 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: and now we're within four points. Is Terry mcculliff in trouble? 216 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: You know? Look, anytime you have a former governor running 217 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: for election in a state where Democrats won consistently statewide 218 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: since two thousand nine, and it's marginal air between him 219 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: and a Republican who's never run for anything ever, Uh, yeah, 220 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: he's in trouble. I mean, he's never broached the nine 221 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: support level. So when you look at a guy like him, 222 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: who is extremely well known by everybody in Virginia, people 223 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: made up their mind about Terry a long time ago. 224 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Not getting to fifty or not breaking beyond fifty has 225 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: a real problem for his campaign. What does this mean 226 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party in a moment where we're looking 227 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: for anything, Genie to give us an idea of where 228 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: we're heading in these midterm elections next year. You know, 229 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: I think all of us like to read an awful 230 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: lot into these types of elections, and we certainly will, 231 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: regardless of what the outcome is. But as much as 232 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to nationalize this race on both sides, a 233 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: lot of voters are going to go out and vote 234 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: because of issues going on in their locality and their states. 235 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: So you know, we have to be very cautious what 236 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: we read. I do think the best thing that can 237 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: happen to Terry McCullough is Donald Trump keeps doing what 238 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: he did last night. That is a disaster for the Republicans, 239 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: that's a disaster for young kings. That's why he stayed 240 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: away last night. And I think this is true across 241 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: the board. You know, Donald Trump successfully handed the Senate 242 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: to Democrats in he cost them the Georgia election, and 243 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: he could very well do the same in places like 244 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: Virginia and places across the country as we head into two. 245 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: So one bright spot for Terry mcculloff, among others, it's 246 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: not the only is that Donald Trump keeps getting involved 247 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: and Greg and Younkins thinks he needs in there, but 248 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: is trying to start a walk this tight rope that's 249 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: very difficult to walk. And just to remind everybody at 250 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: this rally last night, Trump wasn't even there. He was 251 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: on the phone. I hope Glenn gets in there and 252 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: hail straighten down Virginia, lower taxes, do all of the 253 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: things that we want a governor to do. And I 254 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: really believe that Virginia is very, very winnable. But everybody 255 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: has to go out and vote. Remember what he was 256 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: doing all the national interviews on the phone. No one 257 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: has ever worked the phone more successfully, I think than 258 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. But Rick Davis, this does cut both ways. 259 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: Does it bring more Trump supporters to the polls or 260 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: does it activate more Democrats who are afraid of Trump? 261 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: You know that's it's the ying and the yang, right. 262 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean, evidence was when Donald Trump went down to 263 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: Georgia after the election for those two specials, uh, he 264 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: generated more Democratic vote than probably would have gone out before. 265 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: And so in that case, most Republicans I know a 266 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: credit those two Democratic seats that Donald Trump coming and 267 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: campaigning for the for the Republicans. So the question is 268 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: will you do the same thing here? You know, is 269 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: there a chance that he shows up on the doorstep. 270 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: He's sent it out a lot of mixed signals. You 271 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: just heard him say, turn out for for the Republican, 272 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: turnout for young. But today he tweeted message to his 273 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: supporters saying, uh, don't vote in twenty two and don't 274 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: vote in twenty four until everybody agrees that the election 275 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: was stolen. So, like, you know, that's exactly the message 276 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: from Georgia, and that's what the Republicans in trouble. Isn't 277 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: that the truth? Genie, that's happened in Georgia. I guess 278 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: I'll flip the coin, though, what happens when in Obama 279 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: or god forbid, a President Biden show up. Does it 280 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: have the same effect Trump had in Georgia. I don't 281 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: know if it has quite the same effect. But we've 282 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: seen Terry McCullough trying desperately to you know, position himself 283 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: as far away from what's going on in d C 284 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: as he possibly can. He has been, you know, you know, 285 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: basically walking away from the Democrats and what they're doing 286 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Because he knows the chaos that 287 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: is there that we talk about every day is not 288 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: helping him with voters at home. So he has you know, 289 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: been making those statements repeatedly, you know. But Donald Trump 290 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: is sort of in a class of its own when 291 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: it comes to hurting members of his own party. Yet 292 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: Joe Biden may not be the He's you know, he's 293 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: not as popular as he once was. Barack Obama is 294 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: and has never been exactly that close to Terry mcculloff. 295 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: But Donald Trump, yes, he can get that primary vote out. 296 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: But if this race is going to be decided did 297 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: by independence and moderates in the suburbs, it is going 298 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: to hurt Republicans in Virginia for this race. I mean, 299 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: that is what has happened repeatedly when it has come 300 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: to these general election contests. Just as a Democrat Genie 301 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: is is Barack Obama is still the big Bill? Is 302 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: that still the biggest headliner you can have? Show up? 303 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: It was Bill Clinton for many years, right and Hillary 304 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: Clinton after he left the White House, But gosh, what 305 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: it's it's been a couple of years. Is Barack Obama 306 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: still the winner? I think he has Barack Obama. Somebody 307 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: like Michelle Obama, even though she wasn't elected, very very 308 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: popular with the Democratic pace. But again, you know, as 309 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: Rick knows, Obama and Terry McCullough never incredibly close. But 310 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: I think it says something that he is out there 311 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: stumping for him at this point, and certainly Barack Obama 312 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: still incredibly popular with Democrats, and that's the way this 313 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: stuff works as well. I don't know if you've heard 314 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: our conversation with the doctor Rick with the polster in Virginia, 315 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: but how important are the blue suburbs versus the rest 316 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: of the state in this turnout? Oh yeah, I was 317 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: so excited that you had someone from Christoper Newport College 318 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: because the president there, Paul Triple, was my first statewide 319 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: campaign that I ever ran in nineteen two. We've got 320 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: pedigree on this program. So yeah, she's right, it's all 321 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: going to be about the suburbs. And right now, I'd 322 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: say it's neck and neck. So if Terry's gonna win, 323 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: he's got to win those suburbs. Rick and Janie are 324 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: with us for the hour. They'll be back in a 325 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: bit coming up. President Biden speaks to the benefits of 326 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: vaccine mandates. The same day an FDA advisory panel recommends 327 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: them of derna booster at least for some We'll discuss 328 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: with global health policy expert Nick Diamond, broadcasting live from 329 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: our nation's capital, Bloomberg to New York, Bloomberg eleven Frio 330 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: to Boston, Bloomberg one O six one to San Francisco, 331 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: Bloomberg nine sixty to the Country Serious x M General 332 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: one nineteen and around the globe, the Bloomberg Business app 333 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This is Bloomberg sat on 334 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew. Biden says number of unvaccinated in US 335 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: is unacceptably high. Indeed, the President addressed the nation today 336 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: and show the positive impact of vaccine mandates or I 337 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: guess I should say requirements. Almost at the same time, 338 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: the FDA's advisory panel chose to recommend a booster shot 339 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: for those who got the moderna JAB and we'll talk 340 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: about it all next with Nick Diamond. It leads the 341 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: global health practice at Krull and Mooring International. Also with 342 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: Georgetown Law. President Biden says his administration's approach to fighting 343 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: COVID is working. Case rates are declining in thirty nine 344 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: states and hospital rates are declining in thirty eight states. 345 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: We're down to sixty six millions, still on exceptory high 346 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: number of unvaccinated people from almost one million in July. 347 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: That's important, it's important progress. You spoke from the East Room, 348 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: you heard it on Bloomberg Rady. You as the President 349 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: made the case for public and private mandates. Businesses and 350 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: organizations that are implementing requirements are seeing the vaccination rates 351 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: rise by an average of or more to well over 352 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: the number of employees vaccinated. I'm gonna stick with the 353 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: idea of mandates here for a moment. With another headline 354 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: out today, US Navy says sailors who refuse vaccine will 355 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: be expelled. There's, of course, a lot of controversy around 356 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: all of this, even as the President makes the case 357 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: for its effectiveness and as the FDA advisory Panel backs 358 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: the moderna booster for older, higher risk people. Were waiting 359 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: for word on the J and J shot that may 360 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: well come tomorrow, and we dig into it all with 361 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: Nick Diamond, now leads the global health practice set Crull 362 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: and Mooring International, also a junk professor at Georgetown Law. 363 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: And Nick, thank you for being here. Despite the obvious 364 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: controversies around these requirements, are they working? Thank you, and 365 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: it's great to spend a couple of minutes with you today. 366 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: I think the President's right. I think we are seeing 367 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: the benefits of these vaccination requirements. Um. You know, it's 368 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: important to note that vaccine requirements have been around for 369 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: a long time. We have them for school entry, and 370 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: that's been the case for many decades. And so I 371 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,239 Speaker 1: think we're starting to see the effects of some of 372 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: the federally driven of vaccination requirements, so the President was 373 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: referencing earlier today, we've certainly seen some big companies take 374 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: to the mandates McDonald's, Goldman Sacks, some big household names. 375 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: And we understand that the Labor Department is finishing up 376 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: its rule that the President started to get the ball 377 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: rolling on at the beginning of September. They'll actually be 378 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: a rule for companies that employ a hundred or more people. 379 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: How are companies doing with this? Naked? How do you 380 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: say to employees that this is about COVID and not control? 381 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: But tell me how how are companies doing with this? 382 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: I had such a well crafted question for you too. 383 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: What are they telling employees, as I said a minute ago, 384 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: that that this is about COVID, not about government control. Right, 385 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: And the message that we've been consistently hearing from employers 386 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: of all sizes really since early on in the pandemic 387 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: was making sure to stress the importance of both vaccination 388 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: as well as the other public health measures like masking 389 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: and physical distancing uh, and I think we're seeing, you know, 390 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: a much stronger voice from the administration on that front 391 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks, whether it's a requirement 392 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: specific to military or governmental personnel. Nick appreciate you. Maybe 393 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you again someday. The numbers that we saw, 394 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: by the way yesterday with regard to the mandates, and 395 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: this is the point that the President was making four 396 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: hundred and forty thousand first and second shots yesterday. That's 397 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: in one day four now, that sounds pretty good. Hundreds 398 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: of thousands. Look back to last spring, however, when it 399 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,719 Speaker 1: was millions per day. So we certainly haven't gotten back 400 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: up to that point when you had the booster shots. 401 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: Eight hundred thousand got the JAB yesterday and President Biden 402 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: talking about this as the FDA figures out the way forward, 403 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into this coming up with the panel. 404 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: Let's see how Rick and Genie feel about it. But 405 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: booster shots of Moderna's vaccine, just to fulfill that story, 406 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: should be given to people, as I read on the 407 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: terminal and those at higher risk of the disease. And 408 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: we'll wait to see what the overall agency says. Additional 409 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: doses of the two shots. Vaccines should be offered to 410 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: people sixty five and older, along with adults eighteen and 411 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: older who are at high risk for medical or occupational reasons. 412 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: The FDA will let us know in the coming days 413 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: and coming up we'll get into this with Rick and 414 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: Genie see how they feel about this Navy directive that 415 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: came out today as well. So stay right here, we'll 416 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: check traffic and the markets on the way. This is 417 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew and this is Bloomberg. This 418 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg sond On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 419 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: It seems the science is catching up with President Biden, 420 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: or is it the other way around? Weeks after he 421 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: first spoke to the need for booster shots, whether they 422 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: be six months or eight months later, who's counting the 423 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: President today? Speaking as the FDA Advisory Panel considers the 424 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: moderna booster authorized the boosters, which would be strictly made 425 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: based on the science, That decision will be based on 426 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: the science. This will mean all three vaccines will be 427 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: available for boosters already, or the one out of three 428 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: eligible seniors have gotten third shot the booster, the booster 429 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: two days of hearings. MODERNA today got the recommendation from 430 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: the panel those and older or those at high risk, 431 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: and tomorrow we may well hear about the J and 432 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: J booster and then the FDA will follow with its own. 433 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: They tend to follow the recommendations, but as we heard 434 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: with the fiser of booster, they may tweak that a 435 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: little bit too. And we're joined by the panel once again. 436 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis. Is this 437 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: good for the president? Jeannie, you were actually critical of 438 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: Joe Biden forgetting a little bit further ahead of the 439 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: science on this and kind of muddying the message about 440 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: booster shots. Is this coming together for the White House now? 441 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: I think it is. I was very very pleased that 442 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: the President came out today. I think he has to 443 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: stay on top of delivering this message. We're headed in 444 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: the right direction, we're following the science, and we are 445 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: making prod us and when you know, even just when 446 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: when you were speaking with Nicholas before, we are making progress. 447 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: The President made that clear. It's a it's not nearly 448 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: as fast as anybody wants it, and he's right not 449 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: to get ahead of the science this time. And you know, 450 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm very fascinated by the Navy UM when it came 451 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: out and you mentioned this, I thought their argument was 452 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: very well made as well. They put it in the context. 453 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: You know, you asked, Nicholas, is this, Uh, how do 454 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: you let people know this is about you know, COVID 455 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: and not control. I think the Navy did a great 456 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: job and saying this is about us executing our mission. 457 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: Sailors have to be vaccinated and healthy in order to 458 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: execute the mission of protecting the country. So they couched 459 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: it and that and that kind of message I think 460 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: is critically important that we're hearing from organizations like the Navy. 461 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: Let's get to that Rick. You know, the Navy, you 462 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time advising one of the most 463 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: famous sailors and airmen in naval history. We saw a 464 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: couple of major outbreaks on aircraft carriers and and and 465 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: on major ships last year in in the big waves. 466 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: As the Navy doing the right thing here II I, Admiral, 467 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: they are doing the right thing, led by the new 468 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: Navy Secretary, Carlos del Toro. Uh, they are making it 469 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: totally clear to the the active duty UM military under 470 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: his command that they're going to get the job by 471 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: novembery or look at disciplinary action. And I think that's 472 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: a kind of message that the government needs to send 473 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: so that everybody knows that these are not things that 474 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: we should be uh necessarily thinking are voluntary, right. I mean, 475 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: like the government sets a standard, the Navy has very 476 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: high standards when it comes to uh, you know, uh, 477 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: as Jeannie said, preparedness. We want a military that's prepared. Uh. 478 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: Nobody wants anything less. And in order to be that way, 479 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: we have to get the JAB And so I think 480 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: that's a I think the message goes beyond just sort 481 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: of the numbers that we're piling up on on trying 482 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: to get these vaccine mandates. I think it's a message 483 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: to people who have nothing to do with the military 484 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: that if it's good enough for them, it's good enough 485 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: for you. Navy says of its active duty members had 486 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: either one or two shots in them already. Uh. When 487 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: we're talking about, though, Genie, the overall military, as I 488 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: read here, including the reserves, though, uh, we're just below 489 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: eight with at least one dose. And if every branch 490 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: of the military did what the Navy was doing, forget 491 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: disciplinary action, talking about it kicking them out of the force. 492 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Our military could lose as many as forty six thousand troops. 493 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: Is it worth it? You know, I think that this 494 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: kind of message is what's going to ensure that doesn't happen. 495 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: But you know, God forbid that that had to happen. 496 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. But it is important that 497 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: our troops are vaccinated. And I think the Navy has 498 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: done a tremendous job. The number you just read an 499 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: and I understand now from Rick, we're supposed to call 500 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: you admiral, so Admiral Joe. I'm following Rick on that. UM. 501 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: You know, a having the two shots, and you compare 502 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: that with where we are as a nation. UM. I 503 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: hope I got this number right today, about sixty six 504 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: percent of the eligible US population. UM. So you know, 505 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: they are doing incredibly well. You know, this is critically 506 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: important so that we can protect our you know, everybody 507 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: who's in the service, and also so that they can 508 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: do the job of protecting all of us. And I 509 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: think this is exactly the kind of message that has 510 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: to be sent. We are heading in the right direction. 511 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: And of course, you know it is important that this 512 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: is not just about the health of our bodies, it's 513 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: also about the health of our economy as well. For 514 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the president, this is critical to getting us back on track. 515 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: Rick for those of us who have not served, are 516 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: not serving. Is this the equivalent of disobeying orders or 517 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: is it looked at differently in the military. No, I 518 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: mean you got an order to get a shot, you 519 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: get a shot. And remember you know when when people 520 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: went to war in Iraq, they were getting UH anthrax vaccinations, right, 521 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: they were getting all kinds of different shots. I mean 522 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: this was not unusual active duties, cip Bro. I mean, 523 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: like I know stories where people literally would get four 524 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: in one arm and three in another arm and all 525 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: at one time, right, There no fooling around and you know, 526 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: maybe feel bad for a couple of days, but boom, 527 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: they're right back on active duties. So um, so that 528 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: that this is not the group that's going to play 529 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: around with a shot mandate. Right. But but again, I mean, 530 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, and we don't want them to write we 531 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: want everybody ready to go at moments. Notice, uh, this 532 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: is a real time military we have UH and and 533 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: but I do think a lot of people respect the military. 534 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: When you look at our institutions and who actually has 535 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: credibility with the American public, the military is one of 536 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 1: the few that actually punches through with with a positive image. 537 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: And so that the military being part of this message, 538 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: as Genie said to the American public saying we're not 539 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 1: fooling around with this and you should be as prepared 540 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: as we are. I think it's a terrific message to 541 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: get people, uh the JAB as soon as possible, uh, 542 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: because if they don't, there's gonna be political repercussions to 543 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: this administration if they look impotent in their ability to 544 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: get this vaccine mandate across the board. Fascinating take from 545 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: the National Institutes of Health, courtesy producer Matt Shirley. In 546 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: a white paper, they write, quote, throughout America's first one 547 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: forty five years of war, get this, far more of 548 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: the country's military personnel perished from infectious diseases than from 549 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: enemy action. Just let that sink in for a minute. Now. 550 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to risk something here because we only have 551 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: a few minutes left. But I'm gonna risk changing the 552 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: subjects because we've got a big, big headline today on 553 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: a little thing called reconciliation, and we have just enough 554 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: time for both of you guys to react to this 555 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: punch bowl. The first to report the White House is 556 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: nearing an end of its patients on reconciliation talks. They 557 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: are calling for something to happen here. Quote. Time for 558 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: negotiations is nearing an end. Soon, it will be time 559 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: for negotiations to conclude unquote. Bloomberg was quick to confirm 560 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: that story, and Genie, I wonder if you think we're 561 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: actually headed for something here, if the White House, clearly frustrated, 562 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: is just making more noise. You know, I I think 563 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: that they do feel frustrated. They do want this to 564 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: have ended. They wanted to have ended a long time ago. 565 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not quite sure what's sending that 566 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: message out publicly. Does You've got to or they have 567 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: got to They have got to deal with Joe manchon 568 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: Kristen Cinema. And you know, another thing reported in the 569 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: last forty eight hours is how far apart those two 570 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: are on what they want. So you know, it's it's 571 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: not about you know, the White House putting up its 572 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: hands and saying we're done. We've got to move on 573 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: and get a deal. It's got to be dealing with 574 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: these people who can hold it up, and right now 575 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: in the Senate that's Mansion and Cinema. So where are 576 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: they on that? I think is the big question? Rick, 577 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: Does the White House risk appearing irrelevant when this potentially 578 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: leads to nothing? Yeah? I think that they've been leading 579 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: from behind on this legislative initiative, Uh since the beginning. 580 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: They let them work it out. We're gonna, you know, 581 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: sort of hear the proposals, and when it breaks down, 582 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: they don't seem anxious to run in and and and 583 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: be the fire department and put the fire out. So 584 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they're like just throwing this out into 585 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: the public domain without some kind of action forcing event 586 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: the President going up to Capitol Hill, having the people 587 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: into the White House for negotiations, uh, doesn't make any 588 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: sense from a political perspective because who is he putting 589 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: heat on? Right? I mean, like, he doesn't direct this 590 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: to anybody but Congress at large, And there are a 591 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: lot of people in Congress working very hard to try 592 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: and get a deal done, and they love him to 593 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: weigh in on what is the deal that's gonna get done? 594 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: So did Speaker Pelosi look at this today, Genie and 595 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: say great, thanks, we're working on it. Yeah, yeah, I 596 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: And if you're Pelosi, you've got to be, you know, 597 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: pulling out your hair at this one, because this is 598 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: all she has been doing for, you know, in addition 599 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: to lifestyle, the depth that yeah, I mean, she knows 600 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: that there's there's got to be a deal. And so 601 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with Rick Moore this. You know, there's 602 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: got to be them actually bringing people to the table 603 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: and saying where are you going to give, where are 604 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: you going to take? Where are we going to meet 605 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: in the middle. That's certainly not easy, but just sort 606 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: of throwing it out into the ether that you're frustrated 607 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: and this should end. I don't see the end game 608 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: for them there, and I don't see how it's helpful 609 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: to them or anyone else. Reminding everyone that Rick, the 610 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: couple of actions you mentioned, the President going up to 611 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill and bringing people into the White House for 612 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: meetings have already happened. Yeah, that's right, and it got 613 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: nowhere from it. And you know this is all going 614 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: to play itself out politically in Virginia. And so if 615 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: there's no deal, the time people vote. We're in trouble 616 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: for Democrats. There you heard it from Rick Davis and 617 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: Genie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors, with another great panel today 618 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: and appreciate your insights as ever, will do it again tomorrow. Gosh, 619 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: it's already Friday. Tomorrow the fastest hour in politics. We 620 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: call it sound On. This is Bloomberg