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Speaker 1: And well, let's take a look here Matt at a

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Speaker 1: big board. Uh for the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: This was done by Vinnie Eyer at the Sporting News,

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Speaker 1: his number one overall prospect. I can't argue that.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, if you don't care about positional value,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just who's the safest?

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Speaker 1: Who's the best player in this draft? I think, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like last year, I thought the two best players in

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Speaker 1: You know, right right now he does have Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: I mean I think he's just talking here, who are

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Speaker 2: It's funny Alt and the Penn State dude Fishano. It

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Speaker 2: I mean like it's one of the things like you

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Speaker 1: Now, all of a.

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Speaker 1: Maybe? I mean Guidan's only going to go saying now

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Speaker 1: Year, right right? Uh? At six, he has Malik Neighbors,

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's funny how the draft works, and it's not

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Speaker 2: I mean, especially if you didn't play in a late

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Speaker 1: You know. At ten, he as J'reohn Newton, the defensive

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Speaker 2: I've heard some people put both Texas guys ahead of

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Speaker 1: Page right right At eleven is Jaden Daniels. Yeah, twelve

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Speaker 1: And we haven't even talked about the Senior Bowl guys yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Nineteen Cooper de Jean, the cornerback out of Iowa. Okay,

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Speaker 2: You would hope someone with his pedigree would go into

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Speaker 2: Another power player that you know, we hadn't seen much

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Speaker 1: He has JJ McCarthy at twenty six. Wow. Wow, so

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight is Kaylin King, the cornerback at up in State. Nice. Again,

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine and Donnie Mitchell, the wide receiver out of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Or in some case we all are guilty of it.

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Speaker 2: do we know Geiden's better than Mimes just because we

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Speaker 1: You know? Right right at thirty is Chris Braswell, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. At thirty one Troy from Fanklin, the wide

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Speaker 1: Right right. H Thirty four Leonard Taylor, the defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Thirty five Kamari Lassiter, the cornerback out of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Tackletica Houton, Oh okay, just a ridiculous size for him. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Forty two TJ Tampa corner. Oh, we've never bring

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Speaker 1: You like that, that kind of size with that guy.

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Speaker 1: Fifty seven Brendan Rice, the wide receiver aut a USC

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Speaker 1: Fifty nine Jermaine Burton, Yeah, the wide receiver out of

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Speaker 1: Right right right again? He's he's going to project almost

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Speaker 2: Know, even like Jordan Davis hasn't worked out. Like I'm

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Speaker 1: We still haven't gotten to our next center yet. Braylan Allen,

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Speaker 1: List, your list. Sixty nine kings Lisua Mataia, the offensive

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Speaker 1: Seventy four is Kayln Carson, the cornerback out of Wake Forest.

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Speaker 1: And he's really unique.

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Speaker 2: But I think he's done a really good job because no,

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Speaker 2: And I still think he's more Darren Waller than he

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Speaker 2: I've noticed the cornerback class when you get in this neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: He's had a really good week. Yeah. Eighty seven. Zach Frasier,

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Speaker 1: of North Carolina. UH. Ninety two is Dante Corleone, defensive

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Speaker 2: I'm so shocked that I have not brought him up yet.

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Speaker 2: He is my new favorite. They call him the Godfather.

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Speaker 1: He's not thinking they call him the Godfather. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I mentioned him a couple segments ago. People this is rich,

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Speaker 2: have said don't sleep on Mason Smith. He reminds me

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Speaker 2: he's been on there. I don't know about that, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Christian Mahogany at ninety five, the guard at Boston College.

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Speaker 1: he wasn't here. Will Shipley, the running back at a

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Speaker 1: Clemson at ninety six. Ninety seven is Gabriel Murphy, the

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Speaker 1: edge rusher out of UCLA. Ricky Piersaw wide receiver out

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Speaker 1: of Florida at ninety eight, Kay, I like it, he'll

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Speaker 1: be I think he'll be higher in the post rankings

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Speaker 1: after this. Ninety nine is Camal Hadding, cornerback out of Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and then one hundred Jaden Hicks the safety out of Washington.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we went one hundred deep because a lot

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Speaker 2: of times you go, you know, thirty de fifty deep.

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Speaker 2: But there's still a lot of positions the Steelers could

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Speaker 2: use and a third fourth round that seemed to like

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Speaker 2: be matching up.

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Speaker 1: Pretty well in this draft.

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Speaker 2: If you don't get a corner early or there's some

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Speaker 2: tackles of interest centers, you know, it's pretty deep at

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Speaker 2: some of those positions.

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Speaker 1: It really is. And there's some guys we didn't mention

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Speaker 1: they're having pretty good weeks here that well, yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna climb some boards. That's gonna push and

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Speaker 1: dip other guys down. You know. Anytime somebody rises, somebody

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Speaker 1: else falls. Yeah, yeah, and good sometimes is through no

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Speaker 1: fault of their own. Yeah. Anyways, get to a break,

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Speaker 1: we'll redue for that. He is Matt Williamson. I am

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Speaker 1: couple of guys who we'll have some Steeler jerseys that

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Speaker 1: that are working out down here this week. I know

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Speaker 1: the Steelers found uh. I don't know if they found

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Speaker 1: Keanu Benton here last year, but they certainly maybe fell

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Speaker 1: in love with him a little bit down here at

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least stated him and then fell in love

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Speaker 2: with them. You know, you would think that there's a

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Speaker 2: leg up on the O line situation, and I was

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Speaker 2: going to kick out of that. Like, we just went

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Speaker 2: down the one hundred list and there was probably a

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Speaker 2: dozen names I didn't know yet, And I'm sitting there thinking,

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Speaker 2: I may get to know that guy really really well

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Speaker 2: for the next five to ten years when the Steelers

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Speaker 2: take him in the fourth round and we talk about

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Speaker 2: him every day, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way, Yeah, it really is. I enjoy

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Speaker 1: that part of it. Let's change gears up here a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And NFL dot com pulled their writers okay

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Speaker 1: on the for picks for MVP, different Player of the Year,

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Speaker 1: all the awards, and yeah, okay, it's a little there's

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Speaker 1: some there's some interesting stuff here that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: What they had, like twenty doesn't say here how many

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Speaker 1: how many they polled here, but it looks like it's

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Speaker 1: about twenty five people that they polled that worked for

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. And so I thought we'd rolled through

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Speaker 1: these here and see, you know who got what why

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Speaker 1: I could take exactly how many there there's twenty three,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, thirty two people they pulled, so so it

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Speaker 1: gives you a little bit of an idea.

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Speaker 2: Did Sporting News put out their awards recently too? Did

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Speaker 2: that come out today?

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Speaker 1: There? I think they did their all progem Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: what was the was it all pro on that one?

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Speaker 1: So the MVP award, Lamar Jackson got twenty three votes,

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Speaker 1: Christian Maffrey five votes, Josh Allen three votes, Rock Purty

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Speaker 1: one vote. Now they listed all five of the finalists

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Speaker 1: for the ap of award here, So Dak Prescott got

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Speaker 1: none of the votes for this one. I guess I

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Speaker 1: get that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a foregone conclusion that Lamar

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Speaker 2: is going to win it. But I understand McCaffrey being two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he had a tremendous year. And if you're

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Speaker 2: not a believer that it has to go to a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: you know, does MJD vote for this one or you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah, Let mean I could see McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: Morris shows Drew does vote for this one, and he

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Speaker 1: voted for Lmar Jackson. So oh really it tells you

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Speaker 1: who did what? Okay, Yeah, yeah, Kurt Warner actually voted

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Speaker 1: for Christian McCaffrey, so go figure Okay, Okay, but I

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Speaker 1: often sort of understand the Allen votes too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he wouldn't get my vote, but it's

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Speaker 2: a strong, strong season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Offensive Player of the Year. Christian McCaffrey got twenty

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Speaker 1: three votes, Ireek killed seven votes, Ceedee Lamb too votes,

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Speaker 1: and Lamar and jack Dak Prescott got none. I think

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Speaker 1: if you look at the if you look at the

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Speaker 1: MVP award as a quarterback award, typically offensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Year, then is the best non quarterback offensive skill

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Speaker 1: position player.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of settled in. Is a

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Speaker 2: nice agreement we all make is we're gonna take Quarterback

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Speaker 2: of the Year and then we're gonna take non Quarterback

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Speaker 2: of the Year and give him this award, which gives

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Speaker 2: it more value than it used to if you just

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Speaker 2: give it to the same guy or another quarterback. Does

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Speaker 2: it shock you or do you have any problem with

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey getting more than triple the votes that Tyreek got.

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Speaker 1: You know what, it doesn't because McCaffrey Tyreek was great

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Speaker 1: this year, don't get me wrong. Oh yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey just does everything and his touchdown streak that he

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Speaker 1: was on was ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's bonkers. Yeah, and missed a game more two Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Defensive Player of the Year and this is the

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Speaker 1: one that Steeler agains are super concerned with. So the

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Speaker 1: votes were pretty well split. Here. Three guys got twenty

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Speaker 1: eight of the thirty two votes, Okay, which is interesting

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Speaker 1: winning it with eleven votes. DJ Watt.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying as unbiased as possible, but I think he's

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Speaker 2: is the most deserved, especially on a Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 2: just just look at numbers.

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Speaker 1: He was the most consistent all year long of anybody

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Speaker 1: not named Max Crosby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think Crosby got shot and he's

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Speaker 2: probably getting overlooked a little.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Miles Garrett was second with nine votes. Micah Parsons

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Speaker 1: was third with eight. Deron Bland was tied for fourth

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Speaker 1: with Max Crosby. They east got two votes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you vote for Bland.

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Speaker 1: I don't either. That was j Jones. Drew voted Land.

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Speaker 1: And who is you vote here? For sure? Who's Freezer?

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Speaker 1: I don't looking heremm, I'm looking Frazier.

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Speaker 2: Well, he knows a thing or two, but still he's

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Speaker 2: a he's a former corner. Yeah, he's done a lot

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Speaker 2: since his corner days, but he's a corner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but uh, I mean.

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Speaker 2: All right, here's a weird question. If you had to

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Speaker 2: come between Garrett and Parsons, who would you pick? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know who your number one is, who has the

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Speaker 2: better choice to fight with Watt? And I've heard you

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Speaker 2: say that you think Crosby is a better I would vote.

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Speaker 1: If if Watt was taken out of the equation, I

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Speaker 1: would have voted for ex Crosby, And I like that

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Speaker 1: point of view, but I mean he plays more snaps

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Speaker 1: than all these guys. He has less help than all

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Speaker 1: these guys. He's a one man's show. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: a one man show. Yes, and he plays every snap.

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Speaker 2: Parsons verse Garrett to me is about a tie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Pretty. I mean I think Parsons was probably more

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Speaker 1: consistent than Garrett. The fact that, to me, the fact

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Speaker 1: that Garrett had one second the last seven games, I

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Speaker 1: can't overlook that for the is as a player of

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Speaker 1: the year. That's over a third of the games.

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Speaker 2: I hope every voter is aware of that. Like, I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying it's bad, but I mean that stands out

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Speaker 2: like a sore thumb. And I don't want to hear

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Speaker 2: if you were the best player on the best defense,

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Speaker 2: because you weren't the best defense.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't you weren't the best defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the best defense of these ones listed.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're gonna this defense is in this

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Speaker 1: in the NFL this year was in Baltimore, mm hmm, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I go, I don't think to get particularly close.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I put Kansas City ahead of

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Speaker 2: Cleveland this year, maybe one or two others. I mean

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Speaker 2: the roads, I mean, and it's all said and done,

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Speaker 2: We're really bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the fact of the matter is, I

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Speaker 1: think the Browns finished eleventh in scoring defense, eleven eleventh

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Speaker 1: even a ten scoring defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and because the home roads plays are drastic.

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Speaker 1: They were, they were huge.

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Speaker 2: We've said this one hundred times, but probably the last

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Speaker 2: time it's brought up until the actual votes are cast.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like the league looked at Garrett, looked

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Speaker 2: at what the Browns put around him, including the coordinator,

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Speaker 2: and said, this is your year before the ball was

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Speaker 2: ever snapped this season. And that doesn't mean you have

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Speaker 2: to stick with it. But the fact that he was

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Speaker 2: the leader in the clubhouse before the race even started,

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Speaker 2: I think is the biggest thing helping him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. I think I think people made up

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Speaker 1: their minds and say, oh, well, the Browns defense is

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Speaker 1: playing good, and then didn't look at what it was

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Speaker 1: actually doing. Yeah. Yeah, they had some they had some

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Speaker 1: great games early against some really bad quarterbacks, and they

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Speaker 1: were good at home, but they were not good at

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Speaker 1: all on the road.

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Speaker 2: And I don't have in front of me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think twenty nine points over twenty nine points

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Speaker 1: per game on the road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, over the court season, I don't think his like

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Speaker 2: fumbles caused batted passes. The stats other than sacks are

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Speaker 2: as strong as wats either.

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Speaker 1: What was what was better across the board? The only

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Speaker 1: thing that they were even even close in They both

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Speaker 1: forced four fumbles. That was it. That was tackles for

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Speaker 1: a loss, quarter kits uh perceptions, All that stuff was

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Speaker 1: favored Watt, Yeah, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's pretty opening.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think in fact Parsons was better than

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Speaker 1: all those things too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think I would put Parsons out of

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Speaker 2: Garrett to mar think it through.

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Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year c J. Stroud twenty eight votes,

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Speaker 1: got four. Is this we've ever seen? I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at the rest. So Jamior Gibbs got zero votes, Sam

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Speaker 1: Laporta got zero votes, and John Robinson got zero votes.

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Speaker 2: I wrote something the other day that I think Laporta

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Speaker 2: eight out of ten years would win this award.

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Speaker 1: He had maybe the best season for a rookie tight

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Speaker 1: and in NFL history.

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Speaker 2: Might have the best season of any tight end in

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Speaker 2: the league this year, and he's a third at best. Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't even have a problem with Gims ahead of him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the top two win it every year. Nikouis

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Speaker 2: at every record in the world. Stroud's already a top

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Speaker 2: ten quarterback that took the worst team in the league

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs. I mean, like, this is as good

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Speaker 2: as class as I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, defensive Rookie of Year. On the

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Speaker 1: flip side, this is one of the worst I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: It's it's I don't know if I can call it

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Speaker 1: the worst. That's harsh, but it's harsh. Yeah. Will Anderson

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Speaker 1: got fifteen votes. Kobe Turner got seven votes, Devin Witherspoon

649
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Speaker 1: got five votes, Jalen Carter were votes. Joey Porter Junior

650
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Speaker 1: got one vote.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I can see the national world not

652
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: respecting Porter, you and I do. I don't think Kobe

653
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Speaker 2: Turner will win it just because he's not a big

654
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: enough name. I can see by default Anderson winning it,

655
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: and he played well down the stretch and he's good.

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00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be my vote, though, who's your

657
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: vote going to?

658
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: It would have been Carter. He's like the Miles Garrett conversation,

659
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: right he was. He was annointed before the season started,

660
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Speaker 2: and he was great for like ten games. Until the

661
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Eagles wheels just fell off. Yeah, the whole team part

662
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: of the problem, and he has more of the problem

663
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Speaker 2: than the answer for that.

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Speaker 1: So conversely, Kobe Turner started slow but finished strong. Yeah,

665
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Speaker 1: same thing with Porters. A slow start, but then what

666
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Speaker 1: he did after that was next level. He had a

667
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Speaker 1: better to me, he had a better season than Devron Witherspoon.

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Speaker 1: I know, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he had a better seventeen games

670
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: than Witherspoon, but what he was asked to do was harder,

671
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Speaker 2: and at his best he was definitely better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think if we're grading this thing

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Speaker 1: on a curve, yeah, based on what they were asked

674
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Speaker 1: to do, Porter's probably no worse than second. Sohobe Turner's

675
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: playing playing next to to the best defensive tackle arguable

676
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Speaker 1: to play the game, and he's still at playing at

677
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Speaker 1: a high level. He still played at the high level.

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Speaker 1: But how many one on ones did he get because

679
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's are on three guys? Oh right, and.

680
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: I'm sure much like her big with Watt, he was

681
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: a tremendous influence. And that's great. I mean, that's why

682
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Speaker 2: you draft guys like that, you know, learn from him,

683
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: follow him around, be a shadow at training camp. So

684
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: here's the question. I guess to keep the Steeler relevance

685
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Speaker 2: or their bias out of it, Like the TJ conversation,

686
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: what non Steeler would you vote for this?

687
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Speaker 1: For this honor, I'd probably vote Kobe Turner.

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00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's going to get it because

689
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Speaker 2: people even know who. Half our listeners have never even

690
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: heard of him.

691
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: But they're not.

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Speaker 2: Half our listeners also aren't voting. But I wonder how

693
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Speaker 2: deep some of these voters will.

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Speaker 1: Dig into Kobe Turner film. Yeah, I don't know either.

695
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that to Buy people voted for

696
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon and FOD voted for Jalen Carter tells me

697
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: a little bit about how deep they're going to dig

698
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: into it. Come Back Player of the Year and who cares?

699
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin's fifteen votes, Baker Mayfield ten votes, Show Flaco

700
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: five votes, Matthew Stafford.

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00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: Got to vote, in Tua Tago Vloa got to vote.

702
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: I think it's a dumb award. It's a dumb award.

703
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: I'm not discrediting the slightest bit what Hamlin did as

704
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Speaker 2: a human being, but I would not vote for him

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Speaker 2: at all. He didn't play, he didn't help his team win.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's still breathing, and that's what we're all

707
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: happy for.

708
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Speaker 2: That tremendous Yeah, you know, he was dead on the field,

709
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, and he's helping society and he's, you know,

710
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: doing wonderful things because.

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00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: Of its great. Yeah, it's a fantastic story. They should

712
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: make it. I mean there'll be a movie made about it,

713
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would probably take Baker, and I have

715
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Speaker 2: no problem with Laco.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't that orders done. Coach of the Year,

717
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year. The final echo DeMeco Ryans, Dan Campbell,

718
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, Kyle Shanahan, John Harbaugh.

719
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Speaker 2: I'm still in the McVeigh camp. Mcveig would still be

720
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: my vote. I know he's not one of the finalists

721
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: that he can't win it.

722
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, So the winner was sixteen votes. Sixteen votes,

723
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: so half the votes went to this guy, to Meco Ryans.

724
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Speaker 2: If you consider where the Texans were one year ago

725
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: compared to now, I mean, getting the rookie quarterbacks, you

726
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: helped Will Anderson. He got both Rookie of the years

727
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: and the head coach. It's a good start. That's a

728
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: good start. Yeah, but he had a lot to do

729
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Speaker 2: with that.

730
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it.

731
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Speaker 2: I have no problem with is you know his case well.

732
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: And this is the thing, these are the guys that

733
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: usually win this award, the people who came out of

734
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: nowhere a first year coach. They had no expectations. Yeah,

735
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: out you out kicked your coverage, and so your Coach

736
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: of the Year. Dan Campbell was second with nine votes.

737
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski third with high votes. Kyle Shanahan got two votes.

738
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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh got none.

739
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: Did you say, I don't put words in your mouth,

740
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: but I think you mentioned Harbaugh late in the season

741
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Speaker 2: being strong candidate for you.

742
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really called. Yeah, it's great, man.

743
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: My expectations were that they you know, the beginning of

744
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: the year, I picked them for fourth in the division. Now,

745
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: I know that didn't match up with what some people

746
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: were saying nationally, but I thought that they would struggle

747
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: more offensively early in the year and the defense was

748
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: going to be a work in progress. And that didn't happen.

749
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And they did have a lot of injuries

750
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: earlier in the year that they overcame late in the year.

751
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, Harbaugh's the Kyle Shanahan's, the Mike Tomlins. They

752
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: never win this award. They're too established now though, No,

753
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: like they just wing it.

754
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: Chuckle was not winning it in nineteen seventy nine, right,

755
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: even though winning.

756
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: It might have done the best job in the league.

757
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: But no, but it's expected. That's why I didn't buy

758
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: this the Fanski stuff, like when we did when we

759
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: were talking before the season started and we were talking

760
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: about the most talented rosters in the league, and we

761
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: went we went over those lists. The Browns were consistently

762
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: in the top ten in terms of best you know,

763
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: best overall roster. I don't care who played at quarterback.

764
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: You're in fact, you might have been better off without

765
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: your chosen quarterback, right right.

766
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Speaker 2: I mean the fact that they made have what started

767
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: four or five quarterbacks. I don't know if that enhances

768
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: his case or hurts his case, right, because they.

769
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: Went with the wrong guy. Assistant Coach of the Year

770
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: up five. Yeah, the the UH nominees are Ben Johnson,

771
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, Bobby Slowick, Todd Monk, and Jim Schwartz. And

772
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: there was a tie for the winner. They've each got

773
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: twelve votes each. Ben Johnson and Mike McDonald.

774
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: I think they that's right, and they both were very

775
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: much in the head coaching mixes. I think that's deserved

776
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: McDonald did. I had less less expectations for McDonald if

777
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: we're going to take that route, right, because I didn't

778
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: think their d was super talented and turned out to

779
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: be better, way better than I thought.

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00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: Of course H three was. But mon Can finished fourth

781
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: with two votes, along with the tie with Jim Schwartz. Yeah, yeah,

782
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: but the NFL dot COM's thirteenth annual NFL Words Picks,

783
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Speaker 1: we got to get to a break. He is the

784
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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lully. We'll be back with our

785
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: final thoughts on the show right after this. Welcome back

786
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Speaker 1: to the Drive. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the Matt

787
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Williams been and Matt as I've been watching practices this

788
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: week here at the Senior Bowl and watching these offensive

789
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: linemen work out down here. I had the thought that

790
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: this is really what the NFL needs, and here's why.

791
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: If you take a look at this year's All Pro team. Yeah,

792
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: in the in the age of some of these guys

793
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: that made the All Pro team, and they deservedly so.

794
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: But you look at the agency agency. Your left tackle,

795
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: the first team All Pro left tackle Trent Williams now,

796
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: the right tackles Pine Suel. Okay, he's a younger guy.

797
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: The left guard Joe Thuney, the right guard Zach Martin,

798
00:42:54,200 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: the center Jason Kelsey, he's retiring. Yeah, the second team

799
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: left tackle Tyron Smith, right tackle Lane Johnson, the right

800
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: guard Chris Linstrom, he's twenty six. The left guard Tyler

801
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: Smith is younger. And then this Stephank he's one of

802
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: these guys. Another one of these guys that live in

803
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: the middle of his career. But of the ten guys

804
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: who made first or second team All Pro this year,

805
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: five of them are over thirty, well over thirty. And

806
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: maybe he's young. Yeah, young guys thirty three. You know,

807
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: Martin and Thuny are thirty two, thirty three years old.

808
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: Who are the next guy's coming up? You need to

809
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: start playing these guys. Yeah, that's a great call.

810
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: And even like an Armstead that wasn't on that conversation

811
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: might not he might retire, you know, I mean long

812
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: gone or the Jason Peters of the world that used

813
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: to be at the top here and who is the

814
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: next generation? There are some exciting ones, you know, Linderbaum

815
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: and School and a couple of those dudes. Nelson's still

816
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: in the mix, and some younger guys Creed Humphrey, but

817
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: that's not a great crop.

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00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: Did you mentioned Creed Humphrey. Did you watch that His

819
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: snaps were all over the place. They were taught for

820
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: a championship game. It was bad. Yeah, they were, they

821
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: were It was bad. It was bad.

822
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: So this is a much larger conversation we have time for,

823
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: but it's one we have a lot. The NFL D

824
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: linemen to me, are way more talented than the old

825
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: lineman and I always talk about that at combined time,

826
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 2: like look at the athletes that they're trying to block. Well,

827
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: this year it might be closer, you know what I mean,

828
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: Like all these tackles were talking about and I'm not

829
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: just talking about forty times in numbers.

830
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about you're.

831
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: Bringing in a nice influx of athletes on the O

832
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: line this year and the league really needs it.

833
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Really needs it badly. Yeah, and again, there could be

834
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Speaker 1: ten or twelve taken in the first round this year,

835
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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't blink an eye. No, me neither.

836
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Speaker 2: And part of me says, if you're the Steelers, you're crazy,

837
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: not the ground one. If it's a tackle or a center,

838
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 2: and part of me says, well, that means that they're

839
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: going to push up, the corners will fall, and you know,

840
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: other positions will follow to you because of it. So

841
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: I still don't know my best plan of attack, but

842
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: i'd sure like to get one of these top twenty

843
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: year old linemen coming to La Trobe next year, you know.

844
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the interesting thing is going to be how they

845
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: all stack out in terms of Yeah, I know tackles

846
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: are more valuable than the interior offensive lineman, but where

847
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: does that first guard go, Where does that first center go?

848
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Where do those guys slot in at? Yeah? And do

849
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: you like vanilla or do you like strawberry?

850
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean a lot of them are

851
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: just style of play, and you know, you more into

852
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: movement guys, or do you want massive hammerheads you know?

853
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: Or does position versatility mean.

854
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: A lot to you? You know?

855
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: Do you want a guy to play guard and center

856
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: and you get to fix that and figure it out

857
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: when they get there, or you just take JPJ and

858
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: shove them in as your starting center and say do

859
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: this for the next dozen years.

860
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. It makes me wonder too, like where Broderick Jones

861
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: would slot into this class.

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Speaker 2: I think about that a lot, you know, Paris Johnson Jones, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I've talked about this today, I would take falonga

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Speaker 2: overright of just pure right tackles that are.

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Speaker 3: Going to go in the first round. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 3: can understand and right here, Yeah, a really good year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he's good. He's gonna be a really good right tackle. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's it's always interesting just from

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Speaker 1: these guys. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what I've seen of

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Speaker 1: Jackson's powers, Johnson, I might like him better than linder

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Speaker 1: Baum Er Creed Humphrey.

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Speaker 2: Oh I would too. I think he's the best center

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Speaker 2: we've seen in a long time.

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Speaker 1: And I like both those guys. Oh, both those guys

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Speaker 1: are good football players. But I like this guy better.

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Speaker 2: He's forty pounds heavier than Linderbaum but moves as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think there's a chance five years from

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Speaker 2: now he's best center in the league.

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Speaker 1: Three years from now. Yeah, Which, if you're kid that

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Speaker 1: to me, people might say you don't take a center

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Speaker 1: at twenty, Well you do. If he's going to be

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Speaker 1: a generational guy, if he's in the last if he's

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Speaker 1: in the next chase, if he's the next Jason Kelcey

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Speaker 1: and he plays at least thirty five and still plays

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Speaker 1: at a high level the entire time throughout his career.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, you take that guy at twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this organization knows that better than anybody.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you get a twelve year starter that's

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Speaker 2: a perennial pro bowler slash borderline Hall of Fame type guy.

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Speaker 2: If you think he can be that, you don't hesitate.

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Speaker 2: I mean, where would Palsy have gone if they redrafted

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Speaker 2: that class, you know, seven or eight in that class.

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Speaker 2: In that draft, you've.

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Speaker 1: Been pretty high. Yeah. Yeah, that's just you know, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What I don't know is is he a nasty dude

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Speaker 2: in the locker room? Is he a leader? I assume

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Speaker 2: he is. I mean, but he's only twenty. You know,

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Speaker 2: we'll get some stuff, you know, what's the interview, like,

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Speaker 2: what's his personality like? And we never know those things

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Speaker 2: one d. But assuming that he checks that box, twenty's

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Speaker 2: fine with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just know what I can in five minutes

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Speaker 1: of talking to him on the field your day, And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, sign me up, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. I didn't know that. That's awesome. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I assume he checked that box. I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you want that. You want your center to

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Speaker 1: be the leader. That's top part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't want to blow in line calls

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Speaker 2: and you know, protections. I mean, I assume he can

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Speaker 2: do all those things.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing you do worry about with a

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Speaker 1: guy that has that little experience. But mm hmm, that's

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Speaker 1: why you have a That's why you have an experienced

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Speaker 1: guard lining up next to him to teach him those things.

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Speaker 2: And maybe he's a savant. I mean, I just don't

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Speaker 2: know the answer. I mean, he has done either of it.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out. I'll continue this process. Yeah, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to just lever. Everybody, know what, we won't do a

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Speaker 1: show tomorrow. I'll be troubling back to Pittsburgh, So don't

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Speaker 1: go looking for the show. This one will probably be

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Speaker 1: played a lot. But we talked a lot of Senior

925
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Speaker 1: Bowl today and we heard that with the reason with

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Speaker 1: this in mind, but that's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: our show today. So for my partner Matt Williamson, for

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Speaker 1: Justin Miller back and site keeping us on the air,

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lelly. We appreciate you listening to this edition

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Speaker 1: of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio