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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to another podcast of the Eds. My

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Speaker 1: name is Eddie Judge, and we have our co hosted

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Speaker 1: and we have a special guest today. He is well

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Speaker 1: known as the husband of Katie Janella of the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of Orange County. Katie and Matt have been on

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Speaker 1: the show for two seasons now. They have four children,

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Speaker 1: and interestingly enough, Matt is a travel storyteller and journalist

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Speaker 1: and he owns his own production company, fire Pit Productions,

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to hear all about that. That

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Speaker 1: sounds like a very very interesting business. Matt, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, thank you for having me. I appreciate this.

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Speaker 2: I have to correct you, technically, I think Katie's really

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Speaker 2: only been on a season and a half.

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Speaker 1: That is a good technicality, right, what a season. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's ever happened like that since I've been

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Speaker 1: on where you know, a housewife comes on and halfway

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Speaker 1: through the season she's out. It definitely is unprecedented. So hey, Matt,

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Speaker 1: we're going to really get to know you. I've gotten

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Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better. We just got

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Speaker 1: back from Brava Khan. We got a really awesome time

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Speaker 1: to have dinner together with Mike and get to know

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Speaker 1: each other. I think the conversation really revolved more around

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Speaker 1: like medical conditions, which is difficult of our age, right.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of old guys wax and politic.

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Speaker 1: About old guy talk. You'll get there soon, Edwin. So

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Speaker 1: first off, let's just recap a little bit about Bravo Con. Uh,

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Speaker 1: did you have a good time? Is that your first

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Speaker 2: That was my first?

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Speaker 1: I I.

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Speaker 2: Feel like I've, you know, a lot of people like,

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Speaker 2: what was Bravoca? How was Bravo kan, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, we're still sort of processing the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I've tried to describe it as you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's like a college football game, tailgate party, face painters,

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Speaker 2: but it's but it's but it's like three days. It's

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Speaker 2: like more like a college football festival or you know,

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Speaker 2: like it is it's it's it's the super Bowl of

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Speaker 2: this Bravo verse, right like and and it was. It

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Speaker 2: was incredible. The energy is uh, for the energy to

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Speaker 2: be sustained for that many days in a row, obviously,

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Speaker 2: Vegas supports all of that, and then all the different

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Speaker 2: events that are that are happening, and I, you know,

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Speaker 2: personally for me considering you know, what Katie has endured

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Speaker 2: in terms of you know, this this show and this

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Speaker 2: this this particular cast, and how she was you know,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, I'm biased, but from what I saw,

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Speaker 2: it was pretty that was pretty pretty hard for her.

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Speaker 2: So for her to go then to Bravo Khan and

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Speaker 2: then feel the love and see her get the love

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Speaker 2: from so many fans, not only the fans which are

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Speaker 2: are sort of avid. These are avid followers of the

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Speaker 2: show as you would know, but then there's also these

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Speaker 2: castmates from all these cast members from all these other

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Speaker 2: shows coming up to her and reaching out to her

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Speaker 2: and supporting her, going out of their way to find her.

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Speaker 2: I think for me, as someone who has watched all

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Speaker 2: the tears and the heartache and some of the stuff,

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Speaker 2: she's going to then see that it was fun. It

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Speaker 2: was fun and getting a chance to sit down and have,

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Speaker 2: you know, even just hear from you someone you've been

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Speaker 2: around this a lot longer than I have, so to

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Speaker 2: be able to have good, healthy conversation with people who

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Speaker 2: you know, again, some of the other husbands came up

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Speaker 2: is really cool to get this opportunity. So, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was fun. It was exhausting, but it was.

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Speaker 1: Fun, I have to say the least. No, I totally

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Speaker 1: sincerely understand your viewpoint on what they did with the

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Speaker 1: Katie's appearance was going to be at Brovo Con because

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Speaker 1: my experience from the first Provo Con is that everybody there,

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Speaker 1: I would say ninety nine percent of the people that

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Speaker 1: are there are super supportive super fans, and there's never

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Speaker 1: every negativity or or bad energy. When you're there talking

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Speaker 1: to the bands. They all want to take pictures with you,

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Speaker 1: and it feels good. I always say, I didn't do

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Speaker 1: anything to be on the show. I'm just a supporting

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Speaker 1: cast member for my wife, right, But everybody you know

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Speaker 2: You're a rock star, by the way, I was privy

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Speaker 2: I was. It was cool to also see how many

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Speaker 2: that was amazing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I have to say I do love the Bravo fans.

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's a really cool experience. And I

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Speaker 1: would I would honestly say that it would be a

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Speaker 1: lot more rewarding if I was a main character or

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Speaker 1: I actually did something, you know, for the show. But

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Speaker 1: as you know, my mo is this day the hell

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Speaker 1: out of way, out of the way and let them,

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Speaker 3: Did you have a line around the corner of just

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Speaker 3: people wanted to take pictures with you?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I actually didn't get a chance to do that,

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Speaker 1: but I did throw myself in the mix of it.

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Speaker 1: There was a the mein Expo Hall where everybody's at

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Speaker 1: and they have booths and everything. My wife and a

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Speaker 1: number of other housewives were up there doing a talk

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Speaker 1: I threw myself into the crowd and just started walking around.

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to see what the booths were out there,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, you know what, this is going to

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Speaker 1: be risky. I'm not going to get through this without

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Speaker 1: taking a thousand pictures, and sure enough, I took Michelle,

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Speaker 1: our hair girl, and she was my camera girl the

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Speaker 1: entire time. I took about a thousand pictures. And at

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Speaker 1: one point these two guys were walking by behind there,

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Speaker 1: like I think that's I think that's Tamor's husband. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's Tamra's husband. And I couldn't help it. I just

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Speaker 1: couldn't hold it in any longer. It's been so many years.

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Speaker 1: I had to turn around and say, my name is

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Speaker 1: Eddie Judge. I haven't idea Eddie, So I'm okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: with being Tarma's house hustbman, but I do have a name. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: And Matt, who did you other than Eddie? What other

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Speaker 3: husbands did you enjoy meeting down there?

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Speaker 2: Let's see, well, Charles Oakley, which you know again as

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Speaker 1: He was very friendly.

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Speaker 2: He was friendly. He's also just cool. He's like he

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Speaker 2: looks cool. He looks like he could still short of

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Speaker 2: He finished. I finished his career with ten rebounds and

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Speaker 1: So Teresa Judayson, Oh, Teresa, her husband Louis Louis.

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Speaker 2: And then he came up to me and sat down

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Speaker 2: the end of that conversation, he came up to me.

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Speaker 2: Teresa has been like gone out of a way to

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Speaker 2: talked about you know, I didn't even We just talked

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Speaker 2: how what it is like to be a husband of

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Speaker 2: a housewife kind of thing. And then and then PAULI,

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Speaker 2: the guy from Ireland. I listened to your interview with him.

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm I'm you know, I'm part Irish.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I know him now because I listened

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Speaker 2: to your podcast with him, which was really cool. But

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Speaker 2: and there are others, you know, I was sitting next

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Speaker 2: Mike at the time in which Vicky essentially accepted the

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Speaker 2: Vicky is on in season twenty, is going to want

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Speaker 1: He was sitting right behind me. I turned around and

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Speaker 2: He actually verbalized the words, and then, you know, but

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Speaker 2: then he very quickly was like, look, this is her thing.

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Speaker 1: So let's uh, let's go back a little bit. You

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Speaker 1: you have siblings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so northern California, Santa Rose, the youngest of five kids.

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Speaker 2: My father was a civil engineer for Bechdel Power. My mom,

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously they had four kids in four years

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Speaker 2: all of his grandkids through college college of their choice.

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Speaker 2: the podcast and you create social teases and you know,

434
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: to me, that's all part of what I saw when

435
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: I was, you know, sort of in this linear model

436
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: and it was giving me anxiety, and I was like,

437
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: I think I need to do something else. So that's

438
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: ultimately why I started what was Dawn Patrol Productions and

439
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: then became fire Pit Collective and now it's fire Pit Productions.

440
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: So I'm back to the production company model that I

441
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: had originally started in twenty twenty, and I got back

442
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: to that two years ago, and now I've got a

443
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: lot more success from the same model that I kind

444
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 2: of had to sideline for two years.

445
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: Did you have any concerns going into Real Housewives with

446
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: maybe your credibility reputation being put to the test. Was

447
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: that a concern?

448
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: Boy, not until about two weeks ago. Quite awesome.

449
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: I think we should go back a little bit further

450
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: to when you were first asked. I'm curious to know

451
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: what was your first thought when you thought about it,

452
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: and were you familiar with the show, Like, holy shit,

453
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: are we really doing this? Or what went through you

454
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: guys's head and why did you say yes.

455
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: The first time they reached out to Katie and they meaning,

456
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: I guess it's casting, right, There's a layer to all

457
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: of this. I don't think people always understand that there's

458
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: there's people out there who are who get utilized to

459
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: try to find potential cast. You know cast, I don't

460
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: know cast members, members members.

461
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them literally go to bars and restaurants

462
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: in Orange County to talk to, you know, the people

463
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: in that circle or that social gathering to get to

464
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: know people. I've heard stories like that where they're sitting

465
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: there just totally analyzing you, like, yeah, that could be

466
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: a good housewife, and then it goes from there.

467
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: So that did not happen to us. But what happened

468
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty, right as my we were moving

469
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: from Florida because I was out in Florida for Golf Channel,

470
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: So I went from Northern California to New York City

471
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: to Florida, and then my father wasn't doing well. He

472
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and my little guy was

473
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: in a week, so we moved during that time of

474
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: COVID and that sort of redoing the business. We moved

475
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: across country and settled in San Diego. The day we

476
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: were moving into the house we rented in del mar,

477
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: Katie got a call from somebody relating to Bravo saying, Hey,

478
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: you guys are friends with Byron Scott and CEC Scott,

479
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: Byron Scott of Showtime Lakers. You know, I'm golf buddies

480
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 2: with Byron Scott. We met in one of my travel

481
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: shows for Denzantebay in Mexico. We co hosted a group

482
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: of people down there. He brought his buddies, I brought mine.

483
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: We had this incredible time. Byron Scott is a very gracious,

484
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: kind loving human. But I love Byron Scott and we've

485
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: played many rounds of golf. Great guy. Well, they were

486
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: on a show, I want to say, it's called Basketball Wives,

487
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: and they were asked, oh, do you know anybody in

488
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: southern California who might be you know? And I was around,

489
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: I was in and around TV. Katie is you know,

490
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: beautiful and is done modeling and done some TV herself,

491
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: and we got recommended. That's how Byron and CC Scott

492
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: recommended us. And we got a phone call as we

493
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: were moving into San Diego, and Katie said, you know,

494
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: we sort of had this. I didn't even know. I

495
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: had no idea what housewives is. Okay, I had heard

496
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: the term desperate housewives. I had no idea there was

497
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: real housewives, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, what,

498
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know what this. So this is twenty

499
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: twenty and she said that we're moving into a house

500
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: in San Diego. There's no you know, it's not happening.

501
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: So then they called back in twenty twenty one. Still

502
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: not happening. They called back in twenty twenty two, like

503
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: it was. They kept kind of circling around this. Now,

504
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: at the time, when as I said, I failed, I

505
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: failed with the media company Fire Pick Collective, we got

506
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: two big, two fat We had dropped that Phil Micholson

507
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: article on what he had said about the PGA tour

508
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: and all this. You know, we dropped that and went

509
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: globally viral. We thought, oh, this is amazing, this is

510
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: going to be easy. Not it wasn't that easy. So

511
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: at that time, when I was pivoting out of the

512
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: media company and trying to get back to the production company,

513
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: they called again. And we had also started this this

514
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: other company called t shots flavored alcohol shots and golf balls,

515
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: you know shot, you know, dispensers that we're going to

516
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: put in sleeves. It was a good idea this and that,

517
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: and when they called it was like, Oh, our partners

518
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: are up in Orange County. We can get closer to them,

519
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: move to Orange County, get in with them, and and

520
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: use Housewives as like a platform to you know, oh,

521
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: if we're going to if we got this product, this

522
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: could be good marketing. I had been in and around TV.

523
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: I was kind of familiar with the idea, you know,

524
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: and then she knew Housewives whatever, and it was literally like,

525
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: let's give it a go. That's how it all kind

526
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: of came about. It was over quite a long period

527
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: of time before there was an official like let's do this.

528
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: And at that time I was also feeling like she

529
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: had done nothing but supported me. I traveled the world.

530
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: She has been always like you know, she had we

531
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: have three kids from her previous marriage, but also one together.

532
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: She had been amazing and I really actually said out loud,

533
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: this is your time, go do show the world who

534
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: you are and what you are. And I looked at

535
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: it as probably very naively but looked at it as

536
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: a really cool opportunity for people to get to know

537
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: the woman I fell in love with. Yeah, and didn't

538
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: necessarily go that way, but that was the idea, you

539
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

540
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Now I think it went that way. It's just unfortunately

541
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: we don't have any control to is edited and how

542
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: it's edited. You know, at the end of the day,

543
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: my experience with my wife on the show, and I

544
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: think Edwin can share the same sentiment is as long

545
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: as you're authentic to who you are, there's nothing that

546
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: can go really wrong, you know, really really wrong, except

547
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: you're called an asshole or a villain or something. But

548
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: we're not in jail, we're not getting investigated by the FBI.

549
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, none of that's happening to us.

550
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: Not yet anyway, I mean you well, no, yeah, no.

551
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: But I mean my point is is we don't. We don't.

552
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: We're not that kind of people to be on TV.

553
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: Uh. That was We obviously had several conversations about this,

554
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: and I know, you know, again having been around TV

555
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: for a better part of a decade, but even even

556
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: before that, it's even at Sports Oscirator, Golf Digest, I'm

557
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: around a lot it was around a lot of media.

558
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: And I have friends who have had very successful careers

559
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: in in television, and I always say this, There's there's

560
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: people who do TV, and then there are TV people, right,

561
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: there are people who had just happened to have a

562
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: career in TV, and they are they are people, they

563
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: are that they are who you know, what you see

564
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: on TV is exactly who they are in real life.

565
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: And then there are like TV like kind of they've

566
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: become cartoon characters. They sort of lose touch with reality.

567
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about housewives right now, I'm just

568
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: talking about TV in general, right, yeah, yeah, And they

569
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: never break character of what they are on TV. And

570
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: we I have always been because I just can't help

571
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: myself fiercely committed to just being myself. What you see

572
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: on anything I do on TV is exactly who I am,

573
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: and Katie is the same. There's no we are just

574
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: we always were going to stay committed to who we are.

575
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: We have a great inner circle of friends. We have

576
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: the typical family issues, just like every family does with

577
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 2: the you know, the ups and downs and the volatility

578
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: of relationships, whether that be siblings or parents or grandparents,

579
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: whatever that is but we are who we are. There's

580
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: nobody who's like, oh, that's not the Janella's. You know,

581
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: that's who we are. But narratives get twisted or you know,

582
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: allowed loud enough people can you know, say things in

583
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: certain ways that make people question whether that or don't

584
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: know who we are. And that's that's we not. We

585
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: understand that. I got we get it. The only the

586
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: only time that I've really been dragged into this, so

587
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: to speak, was was relating to you know, sort of

588
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: blatant lies. And then you know, I was willing to,

589
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: you know, tell my truth, which is the truth. But

590
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: and I did that for her, you know, for my wife.

591
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: There is not many people. Thankfully Tamra was willing to

592
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: it's willing to take time and and have conversation with it.

593
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: But the others weren't. And that that's the reason, really

594
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: the reason why it is where it is, you know

595
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: right now as we're sitting here November twenty twenty five.

596
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: But honestly, it's us closer as not only a couple

597
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: but as a family. I love her more today than

598
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: I ever have. There's there's never you know, I yeah,

599
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: I I People say, will you do it again? I said,

600
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: this is her choice. Yeah, right, if she wants to

601
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: do this, if she's willing to do this, I'm very

602
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: willing to continue to support her and love on her

603
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: and do what needs to be done at the house

604
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: as she goes off and does different things, because she's

605
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: always been very willing to do that for me throughout

606
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: the first ten years of our relationship.

607
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: So well, I got to give it to you, Matt.

608
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: I watched a little clip about the third or the

609
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: second reunion where you were at the reunion. You were

610
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: the only guy up there, and you were telling, you know,

611
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: your side and defending your wife and speaking the truth

612
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: and and and it's just like I just saw a

613
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: strong man sitting in an environment surrounded by lions, and

614
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: they're all coming after you, just trying to get at

615
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: you and poke at you and just you know, trying

616
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: to get you to get upset and say something really bad.

617
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: And you just held yourself like a very gracious man

618
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: with a lot of confidence. And obviously you know you

619
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: have a confidence and all your experience of journalism, the

620
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: truth always prevails. And it's all I could see is

621
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: you're just telling the truth. This is what happened. This

622
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: is what really happened. Your lies and you're twisting and

623
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: your you know, story on how you want to make

624
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: this happen is not what happened. I'm here to tell

625
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: the truth. And I was like, man, that's that's a

626
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: tough place to be right Edwin, Like you've mentioned it

627
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: many times, like I don't want to go against any

628
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: of these women because one they know how to chew

629
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: you up and spit you out.

630
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: Then alone all of them at the same time.

631
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and Badges.

632
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: I would not have done that.

633
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: It's it would have been very difficult for me to

634
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: to be in those shoes. But I definitely have a

635
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: lot more respect for you because you were there to

636
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: support your wife. You're you weren't there for TV time,

637
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: you weren't there, you know, to be a six or

638
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: seventh housewife. You were there to really protect the truth

639
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: of what your wife was going through. And and you

640
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: know this, this whole season really was a mix of

641
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: lies and bags of lies. And I truly believe it

642
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: started before the season started. But it was a very

643
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: interesting season to say the leadst but to see what

644
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: happened in your guys's journey and how you guys were

645
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: cut off mid season. That's wrong and my opinion when

646
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: in reality, you're not the liars in this whole world

647
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: of you know, season nineteen, you guys were the ones

648
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: telling the truth and and your truth is the truth,

649
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, not the lies that these guys were

650
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: conspiring to try to take my wife down and any

651
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: and around you know that that supported or was associated

652
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: with my wife. It was. It was a tough season

653
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: for my wife.

654
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: I I the all that the lot said there and

655
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: I go back to, you know, that night at that

656
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: dinner as three couples, and I am masters who I did.

657
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I had Slade and Gretchen and

658
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: you know that that I didn't even know who these

659
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: human beings were. We were going to dinner with with

660
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: Jen and Ryan and then they came along and and

661
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was like, oh wow. You know,

662
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: and I've said this many times and you know, look,

663
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: one thing I will say about your wife is she

664
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: speaks the truth. It may not always be I said

665
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: this to you it in Vegas. It may not always

666
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: be the time you know, someone wants it said, or

667
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: in and when they want it said. But at the

668
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: end of the day, like it's the truth. So it

669
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 2: like you know, in what she does is she advances

670
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: storylines because it's like, hey, this needs to be said,

671
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: we might as well say it now and let's get

672
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: it out and let's talk about it. And I agree

673
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: with her, which she says, Hey, let's get it out there,

674
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: let's talk about it, and then let's move on. Okay, great,

675
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: that that is the show, conflict resolution, moving on, growth, evolution, whatever.

676
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: You know. If if from what I'm seeing, that's I

677
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: think that's what it's supposed to be. I will tell you.

678
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: And this is a very obvious to me now. And

679
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: I think to everybody that the hate that these people

680
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: and I would say it's probably actually more so Ryan

681
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: and Slade than it is Gretchen and Jen. But their

682
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: hate for Tamra and or I don't know if you

683
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: or whatever that is, I don't even know that that

684
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: is so that is so blinding to them or so

685
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: important to them that they that that is their tunnel

686
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: focus is is to go after you know her and

687
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: you and that that that that was very obvious. This

688
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: is if I wish I could know what I know

689
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: you know now and go back to that time, but

690
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: it's that that's not possible. So here we are, and

691
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: then you know, just the whole this narrative that my

692
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: wife is the liar and that she talks to bloggers

693
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: and that that lie detector test was somehow at all,

694
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: at some some something other than a than a than

695
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 2: a clown show like that was that was very obviously

696
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: actors doing whatever it is that Emily conspired to do

697
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: to get Katie out. It was like, I don't I

698
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: still can't actually figure out what the hell is going

699
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: on here, you know, as Slade is calling me nine

700
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: one one, I don't know what's going on.

701
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: I think it's the latter. I truly believe he has

702
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: no power. He truly thinks he's got some power, and

703
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: he's a good liar to you. Yeah, he will say

704
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: anything anything to be on TV. So I would say

705
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: he was trying to play you the entire time, mostly

706
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: because you're newbies, if you will, you know, being on

707
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: it year two, I mean, what's the biggest difference between

708
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: the first year and the second year for you?

709
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: Uh?

710
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be that would be slay and gradual.

711
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, year one it was like, I,

712
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: you know, there was this thing with Heather and when

713
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: you know, again we know media, we know for Tigrah

714
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: in my opinion, she called the pop ride whatever. And

715
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: then it was like this thing and it was like okay,

716
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: like even that is like you know, and then harm

717
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: our deity, our daughter baby sent for Emily and the

718
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: kids said what they said, and yeah, it's not surprised

719
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: to anybody, and no one Katie wasn't out to try

720
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 2: to take her down or attack her kids. And what

721
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: really the real massive twist and the first indication like wow,

722
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: this is really toxic and gross was what took place

723
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: at the reunion after the season one where Emily obviously

724
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: and Gina and then you know, went in on her

725
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: about her past, which is failed first marriage for a

726
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: lot of reasons and you know, none of which really needed,

727
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: in my opinion, needed to be brought up, but they

728
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: felt inclined to do so as of some sort of

729
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: get back on Katie I don't know, And then started

730
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: season two right out of the gates with Gina coming

731
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: on with Emily blindsiding with like another you know, I

732
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: don't know, ambush of sorts, and it was like, oh wow,

733
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: this is taking a really dark and twisted turn, and

734
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: it just never stopped. It didn't stop until she was out.

735
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: And I don't you know, And again I've said this

736
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 2: many times. My wife was adopted Korea by a very

737
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, sweet but very white couple in a very

738
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: predominantly white neighborhood in a suburb of Georgia. She was

739
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: always always felt different. I've heard her talk, I've heard

740
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: her stories. I've heard her story. She got pregnant at

741
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: the age of nineteen, she got into a very dysfunctional

742
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: and you know, you could say, very abusive first marriage.

743
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: She got out of that without a lot of support

744
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: from her family, and she she she emerged, she you know,

745
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: and we found each other and we are in love

746
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: and we are we have moved on, and she is

747
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: She's done a lot of incredible things. So my frustration is, like,

748
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't that be at all interesting in a group of

749
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: women trying to articulate to a larger group of women

750
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: about what it is to navigate life. If this truly

751
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: is a about real housewife. I have a real housewife

752
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: who to me is phenomenal, But she is being sort of,

753
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, snuffed out and diminished and belittled and bullied

754
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: and like, I'm like, what are we doing here? What

755
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: is the point of this show if it's not to

756
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: try to at least get in there and reveal some

757
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: of that. So that's my frush as a storyteller and

758
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: someone who loves a good story, who is always trying

759
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: to unearth and share some of the what's good out

760
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: there in this world, which there's plenty. My wife is

761
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: one of them. But for whatever reason that's not she's

762
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: not afforded that opportunity for She's afforded the opportunity for conflict,

763
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: but I don't see any opportunity for resolution. And maybe

764
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: that'll come.

765
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't know well from a production side, I'm not

766
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: a producer or ever had my own production company. But

767
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you and understand this is what I'm about

768
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: to say. And that's when you have an ensemble of

769
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: six to eight housewives and each of them have their

770
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: own storyline and you're trying to make a TV show

771
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: out of it. And you know that historically, meaning in

772
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: the last five years, the more toxic the show gets,

773
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the more ratings, the more eyes, the more talk, the

774
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: more it's more and more and more that you want.

775
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: So you start taking all the shock factors that are

776
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: either true or not. It doesn't matter to them at all,

777
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: But it's the shock factor that they want their audience

778
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: to get so that they can continue to come back

779
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: and see the show over and over and over again.

780
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: So to me, that means all the real stories, the

781
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: good things about the housewives are not going to make it.

782
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: There's just not enough room because there's so much toxicity

783
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: available that it's coming out of their pockets. Right. One

784
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: of the questions I had for you was how has

785
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: it affected your marriage? And it sounds like you answer

786
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: my question. It's just been great for you. Guys, brought

787
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: you closer together, and that's that's good because that just

788
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: solidifies that you guys are meant to be together and

789
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: this is who you are, and you guys can get

790
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: through almost anything. To me, this season felt like everybody

791
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: except Katie, because Katie was not on for more than

792
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: half the season. Everybody was trying to take my wife down.

793
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: And in one sense, I'm like, okay, it takes that

794
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: many women to take my wife down because she is

795
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: a bad ass. But in another sense, come on, you

796
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: know what's up with this gang up? This is not entertainment.

797
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: To me, it's not entertainment.

798
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: I completely agree, and I certainly again having had the

799
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: conversations we had in Vegas, I appreciate Also, you know,

800
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: you've been doing this a lot longer than I have.

801
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: So I look to people like yourself where I'm like, yeah,

802
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 2: you know, it's nice to hear from somebody who's who

803
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: can Also, you know, it's very relatable for me to

804
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: hear from you. I think, I think at the end

805
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: of the day, going back to again that concept of

806
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: real people who actually do TV and then TV people,

807
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when you look at these other franchises,

808
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: and we were around some of these other Caspers, and

809
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: I watched you know here, and I see the social

810
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: clips of Salt Lake City. Well, you know, Salt Lake

811
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: City is having this great one. I guarantee you Salt

812
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: Lake City is a and I haven't watched it, but

813
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: my guess is production affords the opportunity to allow authentic,

814
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: organic conflict resolution to happen anytime as anybody in any

815
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: storytelling or any you know what do we gravitate towards

816
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: on Netflix or you know, Amazon, whatever, who all these

817
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: different outlets we're gravitating towards the stuff that's authentic, that's

818
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: real that because we can sniff out something that is overproduced,

819
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: or we're given false narratives, or we watch people flip

820
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: and flop on their ideals and who they are as people.

821
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: The minute you start seeing that these people are listening

822
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: to the you know, the production of it, all they

823
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: lose going back to you got to be true to yourself.

824
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: And I agree with this whole Gretchen thing and the

825
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 2: likes of the post. I would have and I agree

826
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: with many people said I would have more respect for

827
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: her and them if they actually said, you know what,

828
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: these are our beliefs. It's rooted in our religion or

829
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: whatever they are, whatever that is, at least own it

830
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: and just be it. But the flipping and flopping and

831
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: then trying to say this is someone else who did this,

832
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: when everybody in the world, like, do they think we're

833
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: as dumb as they look? Do they really do? Is this?

834
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 2: Are we actually led to believe that that they are?

835
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: This is some sort of thing that we're the masses

836
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: would follow along with and be like, you know, right, yeah,

837
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: Tamra went in and did this years ago with the

838
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: idea that maybe Gretchen would come back like are are we?

839
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: Are they out of their minds?

840
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: They honestly, that's the same mo they had back when

841
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: they were on the show. And I think that's why

842
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: they were fired and not brought back for so many years.

843
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't know why they were brought back

844
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: because they don't make good TV. They really don't. It's

845
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: not interesting at all, But.

846
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: In their minds they're really good TV.

847
00:48:51,960 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 3: But do you have to film in front of the

848
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: slave guy? I don't know him, but I just know

849
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: when you bring up his name, your body language changes.

850
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it just looks like you can't be in

851
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: front of the guy because he would beat his ass.

852
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: Do you just not show up when he's filming? Or

853
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: how do you contain yourself when you're around the guy?

854
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: I am not around the guy And the only the

855
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: only time I was was when we were I mean

856
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: I was. I had to go because my wife was gotten.

857
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: Not going to let her go by yourself to that

858
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: rodeo charity thing that Emily did, and I just went

859
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: there to support her and keep an eye on her

860
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: and keep and protect her. Really, you know, I was

861
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: willing to, you know, throw down if I had to,

862
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: if he was going to get physical. But you know,

863
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: when they when they walked up to her and again

864
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: try to gang up on her, She's just like, I'm

865
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: not doing this. We walked away, and as we're walking away,

866
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: I had this I couldn't resist, but you know, throw

867
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: the middle finger up and tell him to fu go

868
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: fuck themselves. We're not going to do this. And at

869
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: the end end of the day, I tried not to

870
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: go as much as possible because I do have a

871
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: lot of confidence in my wife, but I also know

872
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: what kind of scumbag he is and what kind of

873
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: story bullshit and twisted things he would do. And to boot,

874
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: it's not just them, it's their cohorts, Ryan and Jen

875
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: who are just jumping on the bandwagon to try to

876
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: take my wife down. So in one sense, I felt like,

877
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: you know me, I don't want to be a part

878
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: of this stupidity.

879
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 3: It sounds like it could escalate pretty quick, like I could.

880
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: I could see you guys brawling with the way you.

881
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Got oh yeah, oh yeah, and and and you know,

882
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: funny enough, I don't know if you heard this in

883
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: our conversation, Matt, but talking to Mike, he Oh. Yeah,

884
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: he was at dinner and he says, listen, I don't

885
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: put up with this shit. And I don't know how

886
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: you do it, Eddie. But if this kind of snagen

887
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: was come up in front of me, I'd had some trouble,

888
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with my temper with these guys, and

889
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Mikey, you don't want to go anywhere

890
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: near this, then No.

891
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 2: I would not want to be on the wrong side

892
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: of Mike. He's got that He's like Texas strong, you

893
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he's there's no he's an

894
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: immovable force.

895
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: This is why I like him, I know exactly.

896
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: Cut to dinner, we're like, oh, we're having a good touch.

897
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: But I yeah, it's a fascinating thing. I quite frankly,

898
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: the idea that they exist in a world where that

899
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: is deemed compelling TV to me is that's that's That's

900
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: a whole other conversation.

901
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even care to try to analyze it either,

902
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: because it's just the waste of time. I'd rather talk

903
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: about the important things, like your experience. What was a

904
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: good takeaway from the last two seasons of being on

905
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: the Housewives?

906
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: No, I really do. I this is true no matter

907
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: what happens, right, if this is if, if whatever comes

908
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: of Katie's futures, Lateste, bravo and this specifically this show.

909
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: One thing that we will take it is we've met

910
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: actually some really cool, interesting people we have had. I've

911
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to learn more about my wife through this,

912
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: through this perspective of her, going back and revisiting as

913
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: dark and dysfunctional as it as was for her in

914
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: her life. You know, I think she compartmentalized a big

915
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: chunk of that. And of course we have had conversations

916
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: about this. We went through a couple of years of

917
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: a custody battle on her, on her kids, and so

918
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: I certainly knew, but I learned a lot about my wife.

919
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: It was actually therapeutic, I think, not only for her,

920
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: but for our daughter Kylie. And I have become a

921
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 2: lot closer through this process, I would say, Gavin, who's nineteen,

922
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: and I have become closer. We we as a family unit,

923
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: became very very tight through all of this. I think

924
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: by virtue of being attacked, you know, like these microaggressions

925
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: and all this stuff that was happening to us, I

926
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: think by virtue of that we got closer, we learned

927
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: a lot about who our friends are. We also learned

928
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: about who our friends are not right there by virtue

929
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: of this platform and these eye but you find out

930
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: everybody's coming at you. Can you do that?

931
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: Can you? You know?

932
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: And it's like wow, whoa you know? And then all

933
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: of a sudden people come out of the woodwork to

934
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: be your friend who weren't your friends for a long time,

935
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden like, oh, we want to

936
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: be your friend. It's like whoa, whoa, Wait a minute,

937
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 2: we hadn't heard from you for you know, a long

938
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: time and now, so that's interesting. I think the interpersonal

939
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: and the psychology of it all has been fascinating. And again,

940
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 2: as a storyteller and someone around production, I've been more

941
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: fascinated by the production of it all from the very jump,

942
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: Like even when we get in those big group gatherings,

943
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm always engaging with the crew, the camera people that

944
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: I'm always looking over shouldered. I love that. I love

945
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: wow this is you know. I used to go out

946
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: it with a crew of two to three people. They

947
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: have like twenty thirty people showing it and I'm like, wow,

948
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: you know, you go behind a black curtain and then

949
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: all the execs are back there. You're like, Wow, this

950
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 2: is a big, big production. And I've been impressed by that.

951
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: And but I I, you know, I still look at this,

952
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: you know, I and I watch Bravo kN and I

953
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: watch my wife. I see the fact that people see

954
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: through the smoke and the shade and do see her

955
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 2: for who she is, and that that definitely has meant

956
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: something to me. And well, well, we'll go on and

957
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: live another day one way or the other. We're not

958
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: ever going to deviate from who we are. We are

959
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: who we are, and whether we're on it or not

960
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: on it, or doing this or doing something else. The

961
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, Matt and Katie Janella are the same people

962
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 2: and I and I've enjoyed getting to know you. Thanks

963
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 2: for this opportunity in this conversation, and I know it's

964
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: not our last. And uh ed when I look forward

965
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: to maybe a Podrey Dodger game at some point, you know, yeah,

966
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: love that name, Yes, yes, exactly. I don't the Rams

967
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: might win it all this year. I'm afraid they look

968
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: they look really good. I don't think McVeigh gets his

969
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: gets his due, and and hard to not like Stafford

970
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: and Pooka Nakoul looks amazing and DeVante Adams fell in

971
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: your lap with a gift.

972
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: And I was just at the game last night.

973
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: They looked great.

974
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

975
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 3: By the way, since you've done all this golf and

976
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: stuff all around the world, what's the best golf course

977
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 3: you recommend for people?

978
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: So the home of golf, Saint Andrew's, the Old Course.

979
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: I am a massive old Tom Morris fan. And this

980
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: is a guy who in the eighteen hundreds essentially helped

981
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: develop championship golf architecture, the golf equipment and and agronomy.

982
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: Like he was one of the first superintendents tending to

983
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: the Old Course, and he is he's the father of golf, right,

984
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 2: He's the man. And to go to the Old Course

985
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: and to immerse yourself in the town of Saint Andrew's,

986
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: which is to me one of the great little towns

987
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: in the world, even if you don't like golf, because

988
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: on Sundays, if you rock up to the Old Course

989
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: on Sundays, this is where they've hosted I don't know

990
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: twenty five Open champions what are their number is? I've

991
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: seen number of Open Championships on Sundays. It is a

992
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: park that golf course is closed and it is covered

993
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: with people on bikes and dogs and walkers, and it

994
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: is publicly owned land that also six days a week

995
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: serves as this world class, world famous a golf venue.

996
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: And Old Tom Morris had the thought of golf for all.

997
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: He believed in this should be a sport for everybody.

998
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: And I play all my golf at goat Hill Park

999
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: in Oceanside, California, thirty five dollars municipal that was saved

1000
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: by my dear friend John Ashworth of Ashworth Golf Apparel

1001
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: originally and then now he went on to start Link Soul,

1002
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: but now he is solely dedicated to tending to goat

1003
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: Hill Park, which is where they it was dead, it

1004
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: was going to be going away. He saved it. Now

1005
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: they have Junior Caddy Academy, they have thirty five dollars

1006
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: municipality and it's golf for all. And you show up

1007
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: in T shirts and you know there's no dress code.

1008
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: You bring your dogs, your kids, everything. It's a beautiful place.

1009
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: And I called John Ashworth old old John Morris because

1010
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: that same mentality of the old course at Saint Andrews exists,

1011
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: you know, down the street here at Oceanside, California. And

1012
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: I think if every town had a goat Hill Park

1013
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: or an old course, the world would be a better place,

1014
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, community community for kids in community first. So

1015
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: absolutely yeah, And that's my love of golf. So Saint

1016
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: Andrew's Old Course, go play it, grab a pint afterward,

1017
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: and cheers to old you know, old Tom Morris.

1018
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: If you were to give an incoming house husband advice

1019
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: on the show, what would that be?

1020
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: Uh? You know? I I think based on what I

1021
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: know now, I wouldn't. I would not change a thing

1022
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: about who I've been, what I've been to her for

1023
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: her with her. I got invited to that reunion. I

1024
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: said yes because I was simply asked to go on

1025
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: and address Ryan and Slate about that dinner and the

1026
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: story and the phone calls and the text messages. And

1027
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: I was very willing to do that. I have shared

1028
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: all of you know. That is the truth that there's

1029
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: no deviating from that. I just think, love and support

1030
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: your wife. It is real Housewives of Orange County, but

1031
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: by virtue of them and their lives, I we play

1032
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: a role just like kids do, just like their careers

1033
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: do just like anything else. It's not yeah, we don't

1034
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: hold an orange, but we are right there, you know,

1035
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: shoulder to shoulder, just like they are with our lives.

1036
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: This is so I just think, you know, loving and supporting.

1037
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: You know, she's my best friend.

1038
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: What what am I?

1039
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: What am I going to do? Say no to?

1040
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: Not?

1041
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: You know what if I didn't show up, you know,

1042
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: then these narratives and this bullying and this behavior has

1043
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: no backstop. So to me, it was like, yeah, I'm

1044
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: very willing to go on and tell the truth, and

1045
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: no one else seems willing to to to to try

1046
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: to admit to it or or or confront it.

1047
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: But I would well, you had every incentive because you

1048
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: have the truth and that's all you had to tell.

1049
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: You know, you didn't make up any lie. You didn't

1050
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: have to manipulate the story to stay relevant or anything.

1051
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: And then I truly believe, and this is just my opinion,

1052
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: had you said no to showing up to the reunion,

1053
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: those other two would have totally stepped up for their

1054
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: camera time just to you know, embellish their lives. So

1055
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: big kudos to you for stepping in and telling your

1056
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: truth and more importantly supporting your wife and loving ear

1057
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: the way you do. I really admire that. I think

1058
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: that's great advice is just support your wife one hundred

1059
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: percent and I'll just you know, add to that, just

1060
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: don't get involved.

1061
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know. And again I saw, you know,

1062
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: go back to our house in Newport where we had

1063
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: that dinner in season one. Yeah, and I didn't know

1064
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: anything about I didn't know anything there was. I didn't

1065
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: know anything. I think right before you guys show up, Kate. Oh,

1066
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 2: by the way, you know, there's some tension between Ryan

1067
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: and Eddie. I was like, wait, what what you know?

1068
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: And again I didn't really know anything, and and then

1069
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: it's brought up and then going back and look, I

1070
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: don't really have anything. Ryan has always been decent to me.

1071
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: I don't have anything against Ryan in that in that

1072
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: you know, I was just getting to know everybody equally, right,

1073
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 2: like you're right out of the gate, and that moment

1074
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: where the two of you were going back and I

1075
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: was like, holy, what the hell is going on here?

1076
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1077
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: But and then the ladies walked off, and I will say,

1078
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: you guys had a you guys had a fairly straightforward,

1079
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: truthful conversation it seemed in my mind to get essentially

1080
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: resolved and addressed, and it was like, hey, this is

1081
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: what I heard. This is what I heard. I heard, Well,

1082
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, okay, you might not go on to be friends,

1083
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: but like it was actually a conversation that took place,

1084
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: and I was impressed, equally impressed with both of you

1085
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: for the fact that you just had a conversation and

1086
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: said this is what I heard. Is what I heard,

1087
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: this is what I said. It's not what I said,

1088
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: Okay it was And it was like you got over it. Yeah,

1089
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: And I walked away going, you know, I think that's

1090
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: why it's not Real House Husbands of Orange County because

1091
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 2: it wouldn't actually be much of a show. Guys would

1092
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: just be like, all right, all right, I said that, yeah, golf,

1093
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: all right, well that's fine, all right, let's go, let's

1094
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: go play golf, you know what I mean. Like, there's

1095
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: the reason why it's not the Real house Husband. I

1096
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: just don't. I saw a very snapshot that it just

1097
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: you know, it got cleared up fairly, you know, easily.

1098
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't ever see that happening with Slade.

1099
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't that's not happening. Uh, I don't like,

1100
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, I'm that I've learned now that is not

1101
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: my type of person. I'm you know, I just avoid it. Yeah,

1102
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 2: and we move on and it's fine. I don't, you know,

1103
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: it is what it is at this point.

1104
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think that's any different than coming

1105
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: to work for a big corporation and you know, just

1106
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: unfortunately finding yourself befriending the wrong people in that company,

1107
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: the non producers, the cancers, the they just don't do

1108
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: ship for the company. So it's you'll you'll learn as

1109
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: you go, but it's unfortunate that you have to go

1110
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: through that and get your feet muddy and dirty and

1111
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: all that, and you know, just wash them off, clear

1112
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: them off, and know who you are. And then it

1113
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: goes back to just doing doing what you're doing, just

1114
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: being authentic. I mean, that's that's what Edwin and I

1115
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: have been talking about this whole time. Just be yourself,

1116
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: stay away from the shift show. And you know, you're

1117
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: the only exception so far to that rule, Matt, because

1118
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: you took on a huge role at that at that reunion,

1119
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: and and like I said, you know, I couldn't see

1120
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: myself standing there trying to Have.

1121
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 2: You ever been to have you ever been on a readion? No?

1122
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: No, no, I I My worst experience out of this

1123
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: entire show is being in the same room with all

1124
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: the women ready to go at it, because that's what

1125
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: they're there for, right yeah, And it's the most uncomfortable, unsettling.

1126
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever experienced that on those

1127
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: on the show, But I try to avoid those moments

1128
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: because it's just I know the ship's going to hit

1129
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: the fan, and I hate to see it. But my

1130
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: wife can handle herself. She's really good at what she does,

1131
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: except when it's manipulated and lied and and and created

1132
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: so that she looks bad. Right, that's that's not cool.

1133
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: Well that that season one finale, we go to Jen's

1134
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: engagement partner, and I knew full well that they were

1135
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: all coming for my wife, right like I was safely

1136
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: told that I sense that I was. I was, you know,

1137
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: like I said, I had a brief conversation. I peeled

1138
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: into the back. I wanted nothing to do with this.

1139
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: I saw her getting yelled at. I had no inclination

1140
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: to go. She can't handle herself. I have no problem,

1141
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 2: you know, I was off myself literally going how much longer?

1142
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: You know, we were two hours in and I thought, okay,

1143
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: it's got to be wrapping up. Yeah, and the producer

1144
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: I was standing next he goes, we got about another

1145
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: two hours. I was like, two more hours. This can't

1146
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: possibly be. Which is you know, an hour three is

1147
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: when Shannon came at me, and you know, and I

1148
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you know, I was trying to be

1149
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: consoling voice I had known Shan met Shan, I thought, oh,

1150
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, and she then yelled at me for no

1151
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: apparent reason. And I that's when I was like, you know,

1152
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: I was trying to stay out of I want no

1153
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: I had no intention to be involved at all. Ever,

1154
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: and by virtue of just by being you know, in

1155
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 2: the saloon so to speak, when the gun starts going off.

1156
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: I mean, some people you're you're in a gunfight, whether

1157
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: you like it or not. You're just happy to be

1158
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: at the bar. And that's and that was my first

1159
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, holy shit, you know, this is crazy.

1160
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: And then you know your two did what it did

1161
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: and is what it is. And I ended up in

1162
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: that on that set. And by the way, what people

1163
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: don't know is they brought me out onto that set

1164
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: about twenty twenty five minutes before I even sat down

1165
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: on that couch. And I watched my wife basically being

1166
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: yelled at for twenty to twenty five minutes before I

1167
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: even sat down, And so I was already kind of

1168
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: keep up, like I can't get you know, like, and

1169
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: they're you know, yelling lies and things, and she's going

1170
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 2: back and it was her and Jen going back, and

1171
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. So I sat down

1172
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: already kind of you know, triggered and to speak. And

1173
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: I really did try to tried to hold the line

1174
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: in terms of, for lack of a better returns to

1175
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: use slavestorm in trying to be I wanted to answer

1176
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: Andy's question, yeah, and I wanted to tell the story

1177
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: about what happened and was getting interrupted and talked over

1178
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: and yelled at and you know, called it all those things.

1179
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: And I and I think I actually haven't watched the

1180
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 2: full thing. I've seen little clips, but I can't actually

1181
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: watch it. It's just I haven't watched the show itself

1182
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: since season one episode before I just like peel it.

1183
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't watch this, but I they

1184
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: for the small amount of people that have said that

1185
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: I was rude or obnoxious like I I don't feel

1186
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 2: like I was. I was trying to stay true to

1187
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: the the answer, like I'm being accused of being rude.

1188
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: I didn't call anybody any names. I didn't. I was

1189
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 2: trying to stay true to this, yeah, to this, to

1190
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: this the reason why I was out there in the

1191
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: first place. And I you know, I wasn't rude. I

1192
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: I if I were was rude, I would have I

1193
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: would apologize, but I don't think that I was. And

1194
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 2: I didn't say anybody's name. And I just told the truth.

1195
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: So well, if telling the truth is being rude, then

1196
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: you're you're not going to ever convince somebody with the

1197
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: brain that that's not rude. You know, the truth is

1198
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: not rude.

1199
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and I and I think you know, at

1200
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: Bravo Kan a lot of people were saying, oh, you know, oh,

1201
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: you're such a good husband, and I was like, I

1202
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I just I if by being such a

1203
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: good husband means you just love your wife and you

1204
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: tell the truth, and okay, I'll take I'll take it,

1205
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: but that's literally it. And I and I would I

1206
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: would tell anybody, you know what would we tell Mike

1207
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: right going into the situation, Mike is never going to

1208
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: deviate from not being He's just gonna be himself. Yeah.

1209
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, and he's you know, he's going to support

1210
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: Vicky probably at all costs, and that's that's what you

1211
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 2: can that's the only way to do it.

1212
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's gonna be a little bit

1213
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: tough for Mike. From the little bit that I know

1214
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: about him, he's just a straight, no bullshit kind of guy,

1215
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of that. No, there's a lot

1216
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: of bullshit in this show, you know, particularly with some

1217
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: of the casts that we had this season. And hopefully

1218
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: it changes next season because I really hope it goes

1219
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: back to being fun because it was fun when I

1220
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: first got on it, and my wife was on the show,

1221
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: and her and Vicky had a great time, and you know,

1222
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: they had less toxicity, more fun times. That was entertaining,

1223
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: and I do hope that it goes back to that.

1224
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: But it shouldn't be as toxic as it's been for

1225
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons.

1226
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 2: I think it's very simply, you know, there are people

1227
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: on there that are insecure, they are threatened, they felt

1228
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: you know, Katie coming in. You know, I seems really

1229
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: obvious to me. She she got a lot of love

1230
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: and support right out of the gates from a lot

1231
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: of different people. You know, I can't believe that twenty

1232
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: twenty five, right in front of our faces, that somehow,

1233
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: some way shape or form, that the only person of

1234
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: color is the one that they're going to just actually

1235
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 2: bully in sideline and not listen to and not extend

1236
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: the same grace, hold her to a whole different set

1237
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 2: of standards, and everybody else is being held to, Like,

1238
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: are we actually supposed to just go along with this

1239
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: narrative as though this is being done without irony? That

1240
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: seems shocking to me.

1241
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that had to do with

1242
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: sacrifice her because she was willing to speak the truth.

1243
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: She wasn't willing to continue on that bandwagon of making

1244
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 1: up lies and manipulating the truth to make themselves more relevant.

1245
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't think she's the kind of person that's going

1246
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: to lie to be relevant. You know, it's not her mo.

1247
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: She doesn't strike me as that kind of sleazy, slimy

1248
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of person. She's just straight up Katie.

1249
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they act like she's so vindictive and you know

1250
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: that Kiki Monique asked her to lunch right like I mean,

1251
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 2: and they're talking in theory about Gretchen even though Gretchen

1252
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 2: wasn't even on the show at that time. But this

1253
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: was Katie's yeah, you vindictive demeanor. I don't you know.

1254
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: None of it makes sense.

1255
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: None of it makes sense. It was Kylie who came

1256
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: back to say, oh, that Emily's kids. But somehow that's

1257
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: Katie being vindictive, you know, like you know, is it

1258
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: that vindictive that you know? And so shocking that Heather

1259
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: might say, Hey, by the way, we're going to be

1260
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: a Disneyland, we're gonna you know, do you mind coming

1261
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: and taking some photos of us because there's some ship

1262
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: out there and we'd like to sort of set the

1263
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: record straight with you know, showing that we love each other.

1264
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: Is that so crazy?

1265
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: No, it's crazy to get her out of here.

1266
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 2: You know, you know, recording Shannon, Shannon, you know, I know.

1267
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: I know, I know. It's like, uh, you know, I

1268
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: don't know anything else you'd like to share with us

1269
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: of your experience on the show.

1270
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 2: No, I I no, This is this is therapeutic in itself.

1271
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 2: Getting a chance to actually have as I said when

1272
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: we were talking, I just felt, you know, it was

1273
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: nice to actually have some time, you know, in that

1274
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 2: in that setting, of of that world of the Bravo verse,

1275
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: to have some to feel to feel that to see

1276
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 2: her feel that that was that was cool. And then

1277
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: being able to have some of the conversations that you

1278
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: and I had, and then you know, just some of

1279
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: the other opportunities to to to listen and listen in

1280
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 2: on some interesting people sharing interesting stories.

1281
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, we've met some interesting guys at the at

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Speaker 1: the event too. I was surprised how friendly they were

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01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: and how cool they were. But you know that speaks

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01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: volumes of the person that's willing to just say, hey, hey,

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01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: my name is you know so and so, and I'm

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01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: part of the show. What's your part? You know. It's

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01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: like networking, right, We're just here for each other. We're

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01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: not here to take each other down.

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Speaker 2: No, I met a guy from the like, Yeah, it

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: was just a very it was very interesting. The whole thing, uh,

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Speaker 2: And I found that to be one of the coolest

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01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: things was the mixing up of the first night we

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 2: went Gerty's husband, Russell Girty. By the way, we had

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01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: a dinner with Gerty and and actually Charles Oakley's wife

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01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: was there, and then there was it was all about.

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 2: It was a big group of women that Gerty had

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: picked who had had rough either seasons or had had

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: rough narratives within the framework of this Bravo verse. And

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01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: she hand picked this group of people to come to dinner.

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: And it was the first night we arrived. And I

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: will tell you right now that in itself was worth

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01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 2: doing this two years worth of this. What Gertie's a

1303
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: rocket ship. She's amazing, but it just bullet full of

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: energy and she'd written a book. But then everybody else

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 2: in the room went around and shared their stories and

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 2: talked about different things and walked out of there going

1307
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: wow that within the within the structure of this craziness,

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: there is some true authenticity, some warmth, some reality around

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01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: reality TV that I think does actually make for good TV.

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01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: And and I think that's been your point all along.

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: Don't ever deviate from who you are, and you don't

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01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: have to worry about anything, and let the chips fall

1313
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: where they may. Ron White is a famous comedian and

1314
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: I asked him early on and when I was doing

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01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: a story for Golf Digest, because he's a golfer. I said,

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 2: what advice do you have to young comedians and he said,

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01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 2: I don't. This is the advice I have to all

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01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 2: entertainers in general. I don't care what form of entertainment

1319
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: you're in. You have to do two things in order

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: to be successful. Figure out who you are and then

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01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: see how far that will take you. And there's no

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01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 2: other ways around that. You have to be true to yourself.

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 2: Figure out who you are, be true to that person,

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01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: and then see how far that takes you. But there's

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,520
Speaker 2: no there's no fake in it. You can't actually deviate

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: from that truth. Otherwise you're just basically a facade. You're

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: ultimately going to be a flop and people will figure

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01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: it out. Yeah, and I've thought about that pretty much

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01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 2: every day since. There is no way around anything other

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01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: than being who you are.

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01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, I learned that lesson when I

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01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: was young. I don't remember who told me. But when

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01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: you lie, you can never make that the truth because

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01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: it's always going to be a lie, and you're always

1335
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: going to be wondering is anybody going to figure this out?

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: You're going to be stressed, You're going to be anxious,

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01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: you're going to be somebody's going to find out that

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01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: I lied. That's the worst way to live, you know.

1339
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: And if you tell the truth and they ask you

1340
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: ten years ago and about what happened, it's the same story.

1341
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: And it's not the lie that I made up, that

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01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: I forgot that I made up. This is the story,

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01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: this is the truth.

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01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 2: And I also say, like, my wife is fiercely true

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: to who she is. She can't help herself, she can't

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01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: be any and that's part of the reason and why

1347
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 2: I love her and why she's fun and funny her

1348
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 2: her what she says and how she says it and

1349
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: where she said. It's hysterical and it's fun and we

1350
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: have fun living life. Yeah, that's you know, that's She's

1351
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: not gonna change. She's not changing now. She's not changing ever.

1352
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 2: And you know, whether they like that or want that

1353
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: or invest in that to be determined. But you know,

1354
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: we're good, you know what I mean.

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01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: We're okay. Last last question, I love If if Braba

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: was to send you contracts for next season, would you

1357
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 1: guys come back that again?

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 2: This would be totally her decision. Honest to god, I

1359
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: do think and I've heard her say this, and she

1360
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to paraphrase, but I feel comfortable

1361
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 2: saying this because I heard her answer that very question

1362
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 2: so many times, and it's I don't I think she

1363
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 2: would want a chance, another chance to actually show who

1364
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: she is and what she is. And I think there's

1365
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: a big part of her that doesn't want to give

1366
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 2: in and give up and let this this bully behavior

1367
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: get the best of her. Right. I think very very

1368
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 2: particularly pointed at someone like Emily who clearly holds her

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01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: to a different set of standard. It's just been actually

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01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: overly aggressive, and you know, in my abusive to my wife.

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01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: So I think there's this actual thought that I'm not

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01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't give up, and if

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01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 2: that's the past she wants to go, then I'm I'm

1374
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: not going to deviate from supporting her now ever, you

1375
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 2: know what I mean, It's going to be the same

1376
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: attitude and energy, which how can I help, how can

1377
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: I support? You know, and nothing but love.

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01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: I I'd have to say the same thing for me

1379
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: up to my wife. Ultimately, I support her and whatever

1380
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: she wants to do, I know she understands the level

1381
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: of toxicity it brings to our life. But it also,

1382
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: like you said, she's not going to walk away from

1383
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: this story the way it's been set and let, for

1384
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 1: lack of better descriptions, let the other side win, right,

1385
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: And not that we have any control of that. At

1386
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: the end of the day, my wife is who she is,

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: She's authentic, and I'm sure she's willing to go back.

1388
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: But it is a question that I had to ask

1389
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: because it is a decision that's based on both of you,

1390
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: and it is a decision based on both of us too.

1391
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: We don't it's not just her, you know, it includes me,

1392
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: and it's a big decision that we have to make together.

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01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think if there was actually an offer,

1394
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: we would definitely sit down and truly have another conversation

1395
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: before there would be some sort of signature involved. But

1396
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 2: I and we would do it, you know, I'm sure.

1397
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 2: But as a family, we you know, we have you know, kids.

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01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 2: I you know, our daughter is very she's she's a

1399
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 2: she's she's a badass too, right, She's she's got her

1400
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: own world and life and social media handles. She's been

1401
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: subjected to bully behavior. She she knows what she's doing.

1402
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 2: She's she can help us navigate this world because that's

1403
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: how that's how uh in tune they are with what's

1404
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 2: going on. And our son is amazing. I don't even

1405
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: think he really he's just doing his thing right, He's

1406
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 2: being who he is. He's a big hearted human being

1407
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: who absolutely adores his mom and loves and supports it

1408
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: like like crazy and is very cool part of this

1409
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 2: this life we have and we're living. And you know,

1410
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: obviously our little guy is uh he's the tithe of

1411
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: bind so that that's definitely the most important thing and

1412
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 2: the only thing that truly matters. And then you start,

1413
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, expanding from that, and I think it's hard

1414
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: to watch what she goes through on a day to

1415
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: day basis during filming and all of that. But at

1416
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 2: the same time, it's her call. Yeah, it's it's and

1417
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 2: I see. I think she also sees the upside and

1418
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 2: the fun and the opportunities she gets and is getting.

1419
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: In Bravo, Kan was another example of where she gets

1420
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: to look really beautiful and feel the love and appreciation

1421
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 2: and hear from a lot of people and make some

1422
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: new friends and so you know, we'll see how it

1423
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 2: all shakes out. The good news is we're gonna We're

1424
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 2: gonna be okay regardless.

1425
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,440
Speaker 1: Well, Matt, it was awesome, awesome having you on our podcast.

1426
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: We always enjoy interviewing house husbands, especially you know, real

1427
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: guys like yourself, and it's been so positive so far.

1428
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: I say that because I really don't want to interview

1429
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: the house husbands we don't like.

1430
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 3: Right and when no, Man, great job. We wish you

1431
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 3: the best again, very very courageous what you did supporting

1432
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: your wife like that, So continue doing it, man, ye

1433
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: look for it.

1434
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 2: I walked off that and I literally she came back

1435
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: in the trailer and I was like, holy shit, like

1436
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 2: it's literally like putting two fingers into a light and

1437
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: light socket. I was like, that's what you've been dealing

1438
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: with like that, that's crazy. I was felt. I walked

1439
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 2: away with more respect for her than anything. I was like, Wow,

1440
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: that's intense stuff. I wonder why you can't get a

1441
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: word in. That's insane.

1442
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, again, thank you so much for coming on.

1443
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: That was Matt Danella. You guys, if you have any

1444
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: questions or comments, should have put them on our podcast.

1445
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: Questions email us. We always love your feedback and appreciate

1446
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: any opinions. You have awesome you guys. Thanks for listening.

1447
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Is it