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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. If you've listened to

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Speaker 1: this podcast before, you have probably heard me say that

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Speaker 1: I lived with four Swifties, which means my daughters are

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Speaker 1: big Taylor Swift fans. And I've heard these conspiracy theories lately,

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Speaker 1: which I just I mean, we're going to kind of

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Speaker 1: theories that say she is in a fake relationship with

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, and like there's this whole long, calculated plan

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Speaker 1: to get young people to vote for Joe Biden. So

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Speaker 1: somehow that convince this woman who's a billionaire and can

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Speaker 1: you're going to date this guy. Give me a break.

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Speaker 1: But okay, we want to dig into this. I wanted

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Speaker 1: somebody to understand, who understands this in a different way

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Speaker 1: to chat about this. And I noticed someone online who

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Speaker 1: is also conservative but saying I'm not going to come

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Speaker 1: out and trash Taylor Swift. I'm just not going to

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Speaker 1: do it. And in this person actually comes from a

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Speaker 1: place of having experience with her with her family, and

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Speaker 1: that I thought was fantastic. So I'm happy to say

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Speaker 1: that we have Ray Stevens, better known as Ramble and

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Speaker 1: Ray Stevens, an award winning country radio and talk show

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Speaker 1: host here with Us Today to talk all things country

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Speaker 1: music and politics. He's been a fixed uere for decades

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Speaker 1: at US ninety nine and WLS in Chicago, still hosting

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Speaker 1: a daily show at Drive Chicago WLS, but now also

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Speaker 1: hosts his own show on KCMO Talk Radio ninety five

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Speaker 1: point seven FM and seven ten AM in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: So that's a whole noother connection to this story, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to welcome you. Welcome you on, Ray, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on.

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Speaker 2: That's a long that's a long intro. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's funny. I had a pretty storied country music career

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Speaker 2: and the reason I got out of the country music

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Speaker 2: and you know, being a radio station in Chicago, Democrats

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Speaker 2: everywhere here, and then having Barack Obama as the president,

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Speaker 2: I was told to hold back on my opinions. I

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Speaker 2: was too conservative for the format. And I'm like, we

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Speaker 2: are talking about pickup trucks hunting and bonfires and drinking beer.

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Speaker 2: And that's when I made the decision about almost ten

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Speaker 2: years agoing out of vomitos and getting the talk radio,

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Speaker 2: which has been it's been it's enlightening and it's liberating.

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Speaker 2: It's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this is no surprise that the liberals

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Speaker 1: tried to get you to stop. I mean, we are

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Speaker 1: remembering Toby Keith in his life this week because we

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Speaker 1: Toby Keith at the liberal media did this horrible obituary

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Speaker 1: just attacking him for his views on the flag and

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Speaker 1: calling him this this fake conservative served and you just

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Speaker 1: think of this and you're like, this guy, what a

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Speaker 1: had some life experience with Toby Keith, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I mean I actually considered Toby a

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Speaker 2: friend of mine. I started to have a lot of

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Speaker 2: it was more about supporting the men and women in

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Speaker 2: because he knows and he understood that Nashville was a

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Speaker 2: liberal sewer as far as the music industry. And that's

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Speaker 2: because I'll call it out for what it is. He

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Speaker 2: But that just goes to show that that if I

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with that, I don't understand what's wrong with

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand, you know, I will say I

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Speaker 1: I think that there are places where we know we

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Speaker 1: that was all the reasons you should not go out

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Speaker 1: Half the country's like, well, wait a minute. I love

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Speaker 1: that's why you see all of this brew ha Haaever

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, because we've heard a rumor she's going to

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Speaker 1: stories like, honestly, this conspiracy that she's not really dating

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey. This is a whole conspiracy to get people

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: How bizarre. But I.

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Speaker 2: Know the reason I'm on the show your podcast because

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Speaker 2: and what it basically boiled down to was this is

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Speaker 2: I said, listen, I'm a fan of Taylor Swift. I've

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Speaker 2: her career, Scott Borschhett is a personal friend of mine,

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Speaker 2: and I just wanted people to know that if you

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Speaker 2: is no way in hell she's gonna vote for Joe

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Speaker 2: And I think we need to give conservatives, and you

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Speaker 2: also need conservatives that are mad at me for supporting

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Speaker 2: and sticking up for Taylor Swift. Do a better job,

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Speaker 2: I don't see it that way. And if all these

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Speaker 2: which she has no control over. We as conservatives need

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Speaker 2: by yelling at each other on social media. I had

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Speaker 2: as a conservative man in America, I'm supposed to just

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Speaker 1: Right, I know this exact feeling. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 1: like you're talking to me and I'm like, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. My social media isn't a place for America

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Speaker 2: But do a better job of getting out locally, going

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you the really hard truth about this,

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Speaker 1: And people are not going to like me saying this either.

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Speaker 1: If Taylor Swift wanted Donald Trump in office, there would

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Speaker 1: inevitably someone's like, Taylor Swift is a problem, And I said, like,

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Speaker 1: what do you not like about Taylor Swift? Well, you

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Speaker 1: This is actually someone Okay, you don't like the way

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Speaker 2: was a support Israel event in Kansas City. Palestinian pro

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Speaker 2: Palestinian protester took him almost to the ground, got in

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Speaker 2: a scuffle with him. I didn't know where he was.

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Speaker 2: So now you got this guy that's here, you know,

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Speaker 2: who knows what his deal is. But now he's going

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Speaker 2: to be charged with assaulting a you know, an elected official,

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Speaker 2: not just some Joe Schmall on the street. But where

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Speaker 2: is it that it has to become physical? And if

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Speaker 2: that's where we're at in this country, man, the horse

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Speaker 2: is out of the barn and I don't know how

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Speaker 2: we get it back in.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. We just heard I think it

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Speaker 1: was what out of DC they said, we can't prosecute

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Speaker 1: our way out of the situation with all of these

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Speaker 1: car jackings and shootings and they killed people over last weekend.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think it was like the DA

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Speaker 1: or someone came out and said, oh, well, we can't

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Speaker 1: prosecute our way out of these crimes. But no, actually

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Speaker 1: that is what you do. And you asked me before

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Speaker 1: we got on the air what I thought of the

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Speaker 1: decision that was made this week on the Krumbly case,

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Speaker 1: the boy who went into the high school and shot

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Speaker 1: for and killed four students in Michigan and Oxford, and

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Speaker 1: the mother was convicted of manslaughter. And I have to

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Speaker 1: say that I know there's a lot of legal controversy

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Speaker 1: over controversy over this, and people are like, what could

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Speaker 1: this mean for parents? But I do think that as

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Speaker 1: parents we have a great responsibility, especially if you have

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Speaker 1: weapons in your home, and that, to me, it is

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Speaker 1: so critical. We've had a family on here who lost

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Speaker 1: their son who went to a friend's house and they

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Speaker 1: had a weapon that was unsecured and they were playing

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Speaker 1: with it and the boy ended up shot in the head,

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Speaker 1: and it obviously those are and in Oxford you have

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Speaker 1: four families that have lost their kids and their lives

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Speaker 1: are forever changed, and that is something that is I

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Speaker 1: cannot even imagine the devastation of having that happen, And

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Speaker 1: so I do think when I look at that case,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, maybe this is what it takes.

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Speaker 1: Because those parents had every sign, and obviously this is

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Speaker 1: a special case. They had the evidence there that mom

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Speaker 1: and dad knew, and they chose not to take him

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Speaker 1: home that day, but they had every sign, and they

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Speaker 1: allowed him access to a deadly weapon.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's slippery slow when when we hold other

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Speaker 2: people accountable for other people's actions. I get that. But ostensibly,

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Speaker 2: when these two went to the school to talk about

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Speaker 2: what was going on with their son, the school told

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Speaker 2: him that day. And I give krudos to the school

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Speaker 2: if this is true, and supposedly it is the school

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Speaker 2: administrator whoever that was, said hey, your kid's got some

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Speaker 2: issues here. We can get you immediate help today. Why

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Speaker 2: don't you get him over to this counselor or whatever

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Speaker 2: it is today, And the dad and mom both said, again,

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Speaker 2: this is this is alleged, this is what's in the report.

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Speaker 2: That they were too busy, they had to go back

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Speaker 2: to their job, and you know, the kid went back

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Speaker 2: to school and when now we know what happened. And

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Speaker 2: the prosecution argued that the mom was more interested in

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Speaker 2: her horses and her extramarital affair than she was looking

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Speaker 2: after her kid. Now, all I can do is look at,

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Speaker 2: you know, my life, the way that I work it

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Speaker 2: with my family, and the way that I've raised my kids.

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Speaker 2: All three of my kids have weapons. They're all concealed

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Speaker 2: carry holders. And I wouldn't say that my daughters are conservative.

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Speaker 2: I'd say they're probably leaning liberal. I'm working on them.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying every day. You know, when they complain about

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Speaker 2: what things cost, and I go, well, see, why do

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Speaker 2: you think it is? That way? That's how I get

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Speaker 2: to these guys. But my son, you know, my son

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Speaker 2: gets it. And I always would tell him from the

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Speaker 2: time he could drive, or the time he knew that

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Speaker 2: he was a skilled wrestler, football player, mixed martial arts guy,

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Speaker 2: I'd always tell him, buddy, you have a responsibility being

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Speaker 2: that you're trained, that you can't go out and get

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Speaker 2: yourself into trouble, and would you please, whatever you do,

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Speaker 2: don't break your mother's heart. And that's always kind of

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Speaker 2: how I could control him, because he loves his mother

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Speaker 2: so much. I would try to just say, do not

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Speaker 2: break her heart. I knew that when he took my

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Speaker 2: vehicle out or when he took out the vehicle the

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Speaker 2: grandpa gave him that it was in my name being

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Speaker 2: a radio personality TV guy here in Chicago KC that

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Speaker 2: that could mean bad things for me. So I take

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Speaker 2: out umbrella policies, right. I understand that I need to

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Speaker 2: indemnify and protect myself because of what a stupid kid

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Speaker 2: might do. Now, same thing goes with my gun. My

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Speaker 2: gun safe. You know, before he could have the combination

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Speaker 2: to that safe, I had to understand that he was

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Speaker 2: mentally fit and could you know, because every kid runs

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Speaker 2: into a problem where they're pissed off at the world

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Speaker 2: about something and a hole gets a wall, A punch

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Speaker 2: into a wall, puts a hole in a wall. I

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Speaker 2: can't have that mentality with somebody around a weapon. So

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Speaker 2: I think there's a balancing act there. We as responsible people,

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Speaker 2: and I'm a two A guy, but we have to

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Speaker 2: be responsible. And I guess you, I guess you gotta

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Speaker 2: be you gotta watch the warning signs. That's the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: I think this family knew something was wrong, but how

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Speaker 2: many times in our lives have we seen something that

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Speaker 2: was odd and we didn't say something about it?

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Speaker 1: So, you know, no, I mean that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's Monday morning quarterbacking. Maybe we're looking at it

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Speaker 1: and we're going, well, it was obvious.

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Speaker 2: If we say something, does that make us Karen's I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know, but yeah, it's it is.

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Speaker 2: It is something that's going to be interesting to see

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Speaker 2: where they fall on the on the sentencing of that case.

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Speaker 1: Right, I know. I know that'll be we'll have to

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Speaker 1: talk about that again once that happens, because I am

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Speaker 1: interested to see it. I do think that it I mean,

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Speaker 1: in this case, it's one of those situations where if

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Speaker 1: you're a parent and you are are looking at this

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Speaker 1: case and you're going, man, you know what, I'm afraid

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Speaker 1: Johnny is a little too upset. Maybe we get a

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Speaker 1: gun safe, Maybe we lock it up, Maybe we have

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Speaker 1: this conversation, you know, even if it's something where the

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Speaker 1: kid can't get access to it unless you are with

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Speaker 1: the child. I mean, really, why should a high school

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Speaker 1: kid have have unfettered access to a weapon like that?

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Speaker 1: Knowing that, like we just said, I think we ask

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Speaker 1: parents know that one day can be devastating for a

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Speaker 1: kid and the next day is fine. But you got

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Speaker 1: to get them to the next day, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I think it goes back to what's going on

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Speaker 2: in our schools, what's going on with our kids. You know,

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Speaker 2: we have a we have a group of adults now

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Speaker 2: that have been raised with everybody gets a metal philosophy,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we can't hurt somebody's feelings. Everybody, everybody

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Speaker 2: gets along. And I think that's a flawed ideology. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's cool to be a great human being and to

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Speaker 2: be nice people. I get that, but not everybody's gonna

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Speaker 2: get along. And I always say, you know, you don't

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Speaker 2: go out in the woods and see coyotes hanging out

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Speaker 2: with rabbits. I mean, the rabbit gets eaten. So I

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Speaker 2: don't you know, I don't mean to sound like we

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Speaker 2: as a as Americans or as people, should have some

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Speaker 2: kind of pack mentality. But it's okay that's somebody might do.

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Speaker 2: Somebody pisses you off and you don't like them, it's

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Speaker 2: okay that you don't have to hang out with them.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to have a virtue signaling sign in

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Speaker 2: my arm that says hate has no home here. Well,

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't have it anywhere. And it gives me into

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Speaker 2: a whole other conversation about what a freaking hate crime is,

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Speaker 2: because anytime you commit a crime or you beat the

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Speaker 2: hell out of somebody, there's probably some hate get involved there.

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Speaker 2: But I just I just think we've got to get

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Speaker 2: back to paying attention, teaching that you know, all of

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Speaker 2: this nonsense. You know, the school can tell you that

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Speaker 2: if you're a fire hydrant, you can identify as a

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Speaker 2: woman and have a baby. It just makes no sense

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Speaker 2: to me anymore. And somewhere there's been a mental breakdown

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Speaker 2: in our society that's got people doing weird things, and

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Speaker 2: I think it starts at home. I think we've got

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Speaker 2: to raise our own families. I think we've got to

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Speaker 2: pay attention. You know, I don't want the school to

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Speaker 2: tell my kid what flag he should be, or how

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Speaker 2: do you feel? And what do you identify as day?

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Speaker 2: And what are your pronouns of that man? You don't

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Speaker 2: get back to being normal, And I think we become

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Speaker 2: a society of people that at least can respect and

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Speaker 2: handle each other. If you want to live your life

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Speaker 2: as a gay or a lesbian woman, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Do what makes you happy, but let me be me

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Speaker 2: let me, you know, have my values and don't shout

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Speaker 2: me down. And that is where I think this whole

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Speaker 2: thing is out of control. And I think the left

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Speaker 2: is as bad as the right, and the right is

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Speaker 2: as bad as the left at the visceraal that we

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Speaker 2: display towards each other anymore. And sometimes I get done

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Speaker 2: doing my show and I just want to throw my

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Speaker 2: hands up and try not to drink a handle of Tito's. No.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is honestly why we had you on

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Speaker 1: today to talk about the Taylor Swift thing, because to me,

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Speaker 1: we are doing more damage to the conservative brand by

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Speaker 1: going after Taylor Swift. I'm like, you are just shedding

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Speaker 1: votes right now. Whoever thinks that this is a good

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Speaker 1: idea that you are suddenly going to bring a lot

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Speaker 1: of people over and this is going to help win

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Speaker 1: the presidential election in November, you are nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. And I've got people say, well, you're

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Speaker 2: not a conservative, and I'm like, well, if I don't

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Speaker 2: fit your mold of being a conservative, right, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. You know, I'm not here to There's a

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Speaker 2: million radio stations you could listen to. So far, I've

618
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Speaker 2: had a pretty good career at doing what I do.

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Speaker 2: It speaks for itself.

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Speaker 1: Well, it has been. I have to say, it's been

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Speaker 1: really fun having you on here. I think you're fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have you back. I think everybody should

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Speaker 1: listen to tell people where they can, just in case

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Speaker 1: they don't know.

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Speaker 2: Every day you can stream at KCMO dot com KCMOS

626
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Speaker 2: in Kansas City. I do a lot of work for

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Speaker 2: Fox TV in Chicago. I was the regular contributor out

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Speaker 2: of Chicago to Tucker Carlson until Fox made the brilliant

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Speaker 2: move of getting rid of him. But I think you

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Speaker 2: like what you hear, and I will make a promise

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Speaker 2: that I'll have you on this on my show sooner

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Speaker 2: rather than later.

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Speaker 1: Oh that would be great. Ray Stevens, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being on today. It's great, yes, and thank

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Speaker 1: you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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