Speaker 1: The Berwin Mountains have always been a liminal place, a
Speaker 1: place caught between worlds, where prehistoric humans once roamed and
Speaker 1: bizarre tales of high strangeness are woven into the land.
Speaker 1: Caught between the Welsh wilds of Snowdonia to the west
Speaker 1: and the borderlands of Wales and England to the east.
Speaker 1: It is a place where myth and magic simmer beneath
Speaker 1: the surface, where fact and fiction blur, hinting at something more.
Speaker 1: All cultures talk of other worlds, places beyond the one
Speaker 1: we know, and Welsh mythology is no different. Often, such
Speaker 1: places like Kur, the Sumerian land of the dead, or
Speaker 1: Hades of Greek mythology, are distinctly separate from the realm
Speaker 1: of the living. These were depictions of the afterlife, lands
Speaker 1: that only the dead could truly inhabit. The other world
Speaker 1: of Welsh mythology, or ar Noon, as it is known,
Speaker 1: is something quite different, not so much another plain, but
Speaker 1: another dimension, coexisting with ours and populated with other living
Speaker 1: creatures existing in their own right. Ar Noon, also called
Speaker 1: an oven thought to derive from the Welsh word meaning
Speaker 1: deep in English, features prominently in the four branches of
Speaker 1: the Mabinogi, a collection of stories in prose dating back
Speaker 1: to the eleventh century, considered to be the earliest of
Speaker 1: its kind in British literature. In the first branch, ar
Speaker 1: Noon is depicted as a paradisical land ruled over by
Speaker 1: a king named our Own, and located somewhere in the
Speaker 1: Kingdom of Deviad, a former region of what is now
Speaker 1: southwest Wales. In the ancient poem prethee an Oven, the
Speaker 1: spoil of an Oven, thought to have originated sometime around
Speaker 1: nine hundred CE, an earlier iteration of the mythical legend,
Speaker 1: King Arthur travels across the sea to this mysterious place. There,
Speaker 1: during his quest in search of a magical cauldron, we
Speaker 1: learned that Arnoun is also home to a race of
Speaker 1: fairy folk, and in the Welsh epic Cadgothi, in which
Speaker 1: the magician Guidion does battle with King Arrowne of Arnoun,
Speaker 1: the citizens of the mystical land are depicted as something
Speaker 1: altogether different. They were wide moored beasts bearing a hundred heads,
Speaker 1: and black groined toads bearing a hundred claws, or in
Speaker 1: other cases, mottled, ridged serpents with a hundred souls trapped
Speaker 1: inside the folds of their skin. Arnoon is variously depicted
Speaker 1: as being located on an island or somewhere deep in
Speaker 1: the earth, with a small number of gateways to this
Speaker 1: other world said to be scattered across the four corners
Speaker 1: of the land. Over time, however, it became increasingly associated
Speaker 1: with the North of Wales. Writing in Wales and Arthurian Legend,
Speaker 1: Roger Loomis declares, in Arthur's time and before that, the
Speaker 1: people of South Wales regarded North Wales as pre eminently
Speaker 1: the land of the fairy. In the popular imagination, that
Speaker 1: distant country was the abode of giants, monsters, magicians, and
Speaker 1: all the creatures of enchantment. Out of it came the
Speaker 1: fairies on their visits to the sunny lands of the South.
Speaker 1: And curiously, there is one place more than any other where,
Speaker 1: it is said the bridge between our world and theirs
Speaker 1: is at its thinnest. That place is the Berwin Mountains.
Speaker 1: You're listening to unexplained, and I'm Richard McLean Smith. In
Speaker 1: the evening of May tenth, nineteen seventy three, a young
Speaker 1: couple were sitting in a car in Pike Hill, near
Speaker 1: Oldham in the northwest of England, when a strange craft
Speaker 1: came into view in the sky. The couple described it
Speaker 1: as being like a helicopter, complete with an exaggerated dome
Speaker 1: shaped top and beams of red, green and white light
Speaker 1: shooting out from underneath it. They watched it hover for
Speaker 1: a moment over the hill before it rotated slowly, shot
Speaker 1: up to a hundred or so feet and then disappeared.
Speaker 1: Around fifty similar sightings were seen over the next few
Speaker 1: months across central and northwest England. They were always the same,
Speaker 1: a helicopter seen moving slowly but with purpose, as if
Speaker 1: it was looking for something. With no official record of
Speaker 1: anything flying in the areas at the time, local police
Speaker 1: force it speculated that the mysterious craft was likely part
Speaker 1: of a criminal enterprise running illicted errands from London. Others
Speaker 1: suggested the helicopters were in fact delivering undercover CIA operatives
Speaker 1: drafted in by the UK government to try and destabilize
Speaker 1: the British trade union movement. It had been a fraught
Speaker 1: few years as the government battled with rising inflation and
Speaker 1: a global oil crisis, in turn bringing them into conflict
Speaker 1: with the National Union of Miners over stagnating wages in
Speaker 1: the coal industry. After a series of strikes and stalemates,
Speaker 1: with coal power accounting for roughly two thirds of the
Speaker 1: country's electricity, the government made the drastic decision to impose
Speaker 1: a three day week, restricting the use of electricity to
Speaker 1: only three consecutive days of the working week. It was
Speaker 1: for many an unsettling and unusual time that seemed to
Speaker 1: manifest even more unusual events. On January fifteenth, nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 1: police forces throughout Central and North England were put on
Speaker 1: alert for a rogue helicopter seen moving about in the area.
Speaker 1: Three days later, police received a report from an anonymous
Speaker 1: caller of a single bright light seen moving over the
Speaker 1: moors to the south of the Peak district, but nothing
Speaker 1: is found. Perhaps it is only in hindsight that we
Speaker 1: might determine these sightings to have any significance, when in
Speaker 1: fact such fleeting accounts were little more than overactive imaginations
Speaker 1: tapping into the nation's troubled psyche at a time of
Speaker 1: such unsettling uncertainty. But soon, up on the slopes of
Speaker 1: the Berwin Mountains highest peak, something substantial would take place.
Speaker 1: A strange and mysterious event that remains to this day unexplained.
Speaker 1: In the evening of Wednesday, January twenty third, nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 1: Anne Williams was settling down to watch TV when she
Speaker 1: spotted something in the darkness outside her front room window.
Speaker 1: Williams lived in brow Dinham, situated at the northern edge
Speaker 1: of the Berwin Mountains, where its rolling foothills could easily
Speaker 1: be seen from out the back of the house. It
Speaker 1: was a reasonably clear sky that night, awash with stars,
Speaker 1: but only the slightest hint of the new moon visible.
Speaker 1: But what Anne had seen was a bright light high
Speaker 1: up above the hills that was steadily dropping down from
Speaker 1: out of the sky, a lengthy golden tail shooting out
Speaker 1: from behind it. She watched, stunned for what seemed like
Speaker 1: minutes as it fell closer and closer toward the ground,
Speaker 1: pulsing as it went, until finally it disappeared behind the hills.
Speaker 1: It was followed by what sounded like an explosion, and
Speaker 1: then the ground began to shake. Police Sergeant Gwynn Williams
Speaker 1: was at home a few miles to the north in
Speaker 1: the town of Corwen when he heard the explosion. Two
Speaker 1: Moments later, he felt the floor shift underneath him and
Speaker 1: watched with alarm as the walls began to shake, rattling
Speaker 1: a large mirror that was threatening to jump off its chain.
Speaker 1: Seconds later, Williams was out of the house and running
Speaker 1: into the street, convinced that a lorry must have crashed nearby. Outside,
Speaker 1: Williams looked in vain for any sign of an accident,
Speaker 1: but saw only the deathly quiet of the street, then
Speaker 1: the sound of another front door opening, and then another,
Speaker 1: as more and more neighbors appeared in their doorways, with
Speaker 1: a mixture of fear and confusion in their faces as
Speaker 1: they looked out toward the mountains behind him. Following their gaze,
Speaker 1: Sergeant william turned to see a soft, yellowish glow cresting
Speaker 1: a distant peak. It hung there for a moment before
Speaker 1: it faded away and the night returned down. At the
Speaker 1: Gwynedd Police station in Colwyn Bay, six officers and three
Speaker 1: support staff frantically worked the phones as more and more
Speaker 1: calls came in. One officer on duty calling in from
Speaker 1: the Landithlo also reported hearing the huge explosion and that
Speaker 1: lights were flashing on the slopes of Cada Bronwyn. Another
Speaker 1: of the Berwin's peaks, It was his belief that something
Speaker 1: had just crashed onto the mountain, with police opening a
Speaker 1: major incident lock, a flurry of calls went out to
Speaker 1: nearby Raf Valley airfield and air traffic control towers, while
Speaker 1: local ambulance services were put on high alert. In flander
Speaker 1: Fell village. Just prior to the explosion, Pat Evans was
Speaker 1: sat in her living room with her daughters Diane and Tina,
Speaker 1: enjoying the latest episode of alf Garnet sitcom Till Death
Speaker 1: Us Due Part. It was just after eight thirty pm
Speaker 1: when she got up to make a cup of tea
Speaker 1: in the kitchen and was also startled by the huge bang,
Speaker 1: with the ground shaking beneath her. A distressed Diane and
Speaker 1: Tina shouted through from the living room what the hell
Speaker 1: was that? They asked. Running outside, the three of them
Speaker 1: looked out across the hills but found only the usual
Speaker 1: still night air. But as numerous neighbors began appearing in
Speaker 1: the street, each sharing their own account of the bizarre event,
Speaker 1: it was clear to Pat, an experienced nurse, that some
Speaker 1: kind of aircraft had just crashed. Realizing how long it
Speaker 1: would take for any help to arrive. Pat jumped onto
Speaker 1: the phone and spent the next hour trying to get
Speaker 1: through to the police to offer any help she could.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, the sightings coming in to Gwynedd Police
Speaker 1: Station were beginning to get a little more unusual. One
Speaker 1: witness described seeing a bright red light like coal fire
Speaker 1: emanating from the object, as well as lights above and
Speaker 1: to the right, but also a light moving to the
Speaker 1: bottom of it that changed from white to yellow and
Speaker 1: back again, while another claimed to have seen what looked
Speaker 1: like a large fire burning on the mountain side. Finally,
Speaker 1: at roughly nine thirty pm, Pat was eventually patched through
Speaker 1: to Colwyn Bay Police station, where she was thanked for
Speaker 1: her offer of help and invited to drive up to
Speaker 1: the potential crash site to see what she could do.
Speaker 1: Pat replaced the receiver and looked across to Diane and Tina,
Speaker 1: both of whom were also trained in first age. Right,
Speaker 1: she said, let's get in the car. As Pat and
Speaker 1: her daughters made their way up through the narrow, winding
Speaker 1: country lanes as the darkling Berwin Mountains loomed up above
Speaker 1: them to the east, Diane and Tina were suddenly gripped
Speaker 1: with fear at what they were about to find. A
Speaker 1: light rain had begun to fall as Pat did her
Speaker 1: best to reassure them, keeping one eye on the pitch
Speaker 1: black lane as she feverishly scanned the horizon for any
Speaker 1: sign off the downed plane. It was approaching ten PM
Speaker 1: when the car reared up into the top of the
Speaker 1: hills and the road began to level out all about them.
Speaker 1: What in daylight had been a vibrant snow topped moorland
Speaker 1: seemed now like a vast ocean of black underneath the
Speaker 1: star filled sky. There, said one of her daughters, suddenly
Speaker 1: pointing out the windscreen toward a strange, diffuse light in
Speaker 1: the distance. It seemed to be emanating from the slopes
Speaker 1: of Kada Berwin, the mountain's highest peak, like a giant,
Speaker 1: hazy ball that was glowing and pulsating. As Pat recalled later,
Speaker 1: there were no flame shooting or anything like that. It
Speaker 1: was very uniform, round in shape, and there were other
Speaker 1: smaller lights dotted around it too. Pat continued on for
Speaker 1: a few hundred yards, but was unable to get any closer,
Speaker 1: and it was much too far away to attempt an
Speaker 1: approach on foot. Across the treacherous moorland. Unable to go
Speaker 1: any further, Pat parked up the car and together the
Speaker 1: three of them sat and watched in amusement as the
Speaker 1: light continued to pulse, then change color from white to
Speaker 1: red to yellow and back again, knowing only that whatever
Speaker 1: it was they were looking at, it was no crashed aeroplane.
Speaker 1: After watching for fifteen minutes, with nothing else to be done,
Speaker 1: Pats spun the car around and returned home. This year,
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Speaker 1: four miles away, on the other side of the peculiar
Speaker 1: light witnessed by Pat and her daughters, fourteen year old
Speaker 1: Hugh Lloyd was at home on his parent's farm, relaxing
Speaker 1: in front of the TV with his sisters and neighbor
Speaker 1: Enoch Davies. Hugh's parents were out for the evening, having
Speaker 1: heard the explosive noise and felt the earth shaking like
Speaker 1: many others in the vicinity that night, Hugh's first instinct
Speaker 1: was to run outside and check on the animals, Relieved
Speaker 1: to find them surprisingly calm under the circumstances, Hugh stood
Speaker 1: ponderously for a moment in the cold air, scanning the
Speaker 1: surrounding hills, before making his way back inside. Thirty minutes later,
Speaker 1: there was a knock at the door, and anxious Hugh
Speaker 1: opened it to find what he assumed was a police
Speaker 1: officer standing ominously silhouetted in the doorway while another officer
Speaker 1: sat in a part police car behind him. The man
Speaker 1: introduced himself as a police inspector, explaining that he'd driven
Speaker 1: up from Barmouth to investigate a possible air crash and
Speaker 1: who was looking for a guide and a farm vehicle
Speaker 1: to help get him close to the sight of impact.
Speaker 1: With a mix of trepidation and excitement, Hugh was more
Speaker 1: than happy to offer up his parents' landrover. However, since
Speaker 1: he was too young to drive, neighbor Enoch volunteered to
Speaker 1: take them up to the farm road. It was only
Speaker 1: later that Hugh and Enoch realized how strange it was
Speaker 1: that the officer had arrived only thirty minutes after the explosion,
Speaker 1: having said he'd come up from Barmouth, a town almost
Speaker 1: two hours drive away. A short time later, Hugh, Enoch
Speaker 1: and the officers were making their way further up the
Speaker 1: mountain through the pitch black, straining for any glimpse of
Speaker 1: something unusual, toward a destination that none were entirely sure of.
Speaker 1: It was about twenty past nine when, just as they
Speaker 1: were approaching the end of the public road, Enoch spotted
Speaker 1: a car up ahead, blocking the gateway to the farm
Speaker 1: track beyond. After briefly inspecting the vehicle, with no one
Speaker 1: around to claim it, the group swiftly pushed it to
Speaker 1: the side of the road and continued on their way,
Speaker 1: with Hugh taking over driving duties. The landrover continued up
Speaker 1: the track, its bright beams flashing across tufts of snow
Speaker 1: and heather as they bobbled over the roof to rain
Speaker 1: toward the slopes of Cadabronwyn. Despite claiming to be unfamiliar
Speaker 1: with the area, The inspector pointed suddenly to a spot
Speaker 1: up ahead and told Hugh to pull over. It was
Speaker 1: just approaching ten p m when the four of them
Speaker 1: stepped out into the freezing air on the lookout for
Speaker 1: any sign of the apparent crash site, and that's when
Speaker 1: they saw it, a strong white light down on the
Speaker 1: edge of the valley below, glowing like a halo above
Speaker 1: a small patch of woodland. The group watched it for
Speaker 1: a good fifteen seconds before the inspector ordered them back
Speaker 1: into the car and ordered Hugh to try and get
Speaker 1: them closer. They'd barely made a few hundred yards, however,
Speaker 1: when a sharp hiss came through the inspector radio, followed
Speaker 1: by a voice instructing him to leave the mountain and
Speaker 1: return first thing in the morning. It was odd, thought
Speaker 1: Hugh that they would decide to turn back then, having
Speaker 1: got so close to what they've been looking for, but
Speaker 1: with no desire to argue, he turned the land, drove
Speaker 1: around and headed back to the farm, passing a police
Speaker 1: car on the way. Hugh pulled up and the officers
Speaker 1: talked for a moment before that car also turned and
Speaker 1: followed them back to the farm. With Hugh and Enoch
Speaker 1: returning home, the police headed off back down the mountain
Speaker 1: that night. A three man crew was also dispatched from
Speaker 1: the RAF Valley Mountain Rescue Team, arriving in Flandithlo just
Speaker 1: after midnight. However, after speaking to local police, the team
Speaker 1: were asked to stand down until the following morning. Back
Speaker 1: at precisely eight thirty eight p m. Just over three
Speaker 1: hundred miles away in Edinburgh, Scotland, the Global Seismology Unit
Speaker 1: of the Institute of Geological Sciences picked up an unusual
Speaker 1: reading a tremor emanating from the region of the Berwin Mountains,
Speaker 1: registering between three to four on the Richter scale. The
Speaker 1: following morning, as news of the strange event began to circulate,
Speaker 1: a journalist contacted the Institute's senior scientific officer, doctor Roy Lillwall,
Speaker 1: asking for his thoughts or whether it was a meteor
Speaker 1: that had crashed into the mountain. Doctor Lillwall was taken
Speaker 1: back in surprise at the suggestion, since any meteor causing
Speaker 1: that larger tremor would have had to have been several
Speaker 1: tons in mass, and as such would have left little
Speaker 1: doubt that it was responsible. The r A F Valley
Speaker 1: Rescue team set out at first light the following morning
Speaker 1: and were joined by a small group of local police officers.
Speaker 1: With a fresh dusting of snow, the search party made
Speaker 1: their way toward the spot where Hugh and the inspector
Speaker 1: had been searching the night before. Despite the assistance of
Speaker 1: two aircraft carrying out a photographic survey of the area
Speaker 1: from above, they find nothing to account for the mysterious
Speaker 1: events of the night before. At shortly before two fifteen pm,
Speaker 1: the search was called off. By this point it had
Speaker 1: also been determined that no aircraft was spotted on radar
Speaker 1: descending into the region, and none officially at least had
Speaker 1: been declared missing elsewhere on the mountain. That morning, doctor
Speaker 1: Ron Madison and Denia and Evans, scientists from nearby Keel University,
Speaker 1: encouraged by reports of a possible impact of a celestial object,
Speaker 1: stumbled across the moor in search of meteor fragments. However,
Speaker 1: despite uncovering science recent disturbance on the surface of the soil,
Speaker 1: with the snow continuing to fall, their efforts also came
Speaker 1: to nothing. Later that night, in the village of Gabowin,
Speaker 1: located just to the east of the Berwin Mountains across
Speaker 1: the border in England, resident David Upton had just stepped
Speaker 1: out his back door when he noticed an unusually bright
Speaker 1: object in the sky. After grabbing some binoculars from inside
Speaker 1: and yelling for his sister and mother to join him.
Speaker 1: The three of them took it in turns to keep
Speaker 1: tabs on the object. It was only when they raised
Speaker 1: the binoculars to their eyes that they were able to
Speaker 1: make out the shape of it, like a disk that
Speaker 1: appeared to be split into four distinct colors red, green, yellow,
Speaker 1: and purple. After ten minutes spent observing it, the object
Speaker 1: eventually disappeared behind a cloud. Over the next few days,
Speaker 1: as confusion reigned amongst local residents as to just what
Speaker 1: exactly had taken place, six strangers slowly began making their
Speaker 1: way through the many local villages, keen to get first
Speaker 1: hand eye witness accounts of the event. Traveling door to door,
Speaker 1: the individuals introduced themselves as part of a British geological
Speaker 1: survey team and spoke to over two hundred locals, asking
Speaker 1: what exactly they'd seen or heard, and whether they'd been
Speaker 1: alarmed or frightened by the experience. Taking together the size
Speaker 1: of the seismic activity, the sightings of a burning object
Speaker 1: seen falling from the sky, and the lack of aircraft debris,
Speaker 1: scientists eventually came to the conclusion that the explosion and
Speaker 1: resulting tremor had been the result of an earthquake, which,
Speaker 1: in a feat of extraordinary coincidence, just so happened to
Speaker 1: occur at precisely the same time that a meteor had
Speaker 1: fallen from the sky. Many sightings of peculiar light seen
Speaker 1: on the mountains that night were later passed off as
Speaker 1: witnesses confusing the lamps of a group of poachers whose
Speaker 1: abandoned car had been found by police with something more
Speaker 1: other worldly. Before long, however, British usologists were beginning to
Speaker 1: question the likelihood of those explanations, and more strange stories
Speaker 1: were beginning to crop up. Reports of soldiers entering a
Speaker 1: local farm yard surely after the explosion was heard requesting
Speaker 1: to use the phone because their radio receiver had broken,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that no military personnel was said to
Speaker 1: have been involved in the search that night, and one man,
Speaker 1: Ken Houghton of Better Sir Koyd in North Wales, claimed
Speaker 1: to have watched what he described as a luminous sphere
Speaker 1: roughly five hundred feet across, traveling at speed at around
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred feet, drop straight down into the sea. It
Speaker 1: was some months later when prominent UFO researcher Jenny Randalls,
Speaker 1: who had later become director of the British UFO Research
Speaker 1: Association or BOUFORA, received a peculiar package in the post,
Speaker 1: consisting of a typed letter and a cassette tape. It
Speaker 1: had been sent to her by a mysterious organization calling
Speaker 1: itself the Aerial Phenomena Inquiry Network or ARPEN for short.
Speaker 1: The letter outlined the alarming suggestion that what had crashed
Speaker 1: in the mountains that night was actually a flying saucer,
Speaker 1: and both it and its crew, described as tall humanoid aliens,
Speaker 1: had been extracted from the area by a specialist ARPEN
Speaker 1: team who arrived at the scene soon after. After loading
Speaker 1: the tape into her cassette player, Randalls sat and listened
Speaker 1: to the bizarre contents, beginning with an introduction from a
Speaker 1: man with an American accent calling himself J. T. Anderson,
Speaker 1: Supreme Commander of ARPEN. It was followed by a series
Speaker 1: of TV and radio broadcasts about UFOs, spliced in with
Speaker 1: terrified voices warning about the dangers of UFOs and their
Speaker 1: hostile nature. Over the next few years, as the UFO
Speaker 1: idea gained traction, Randall's interest also grew, so much so
Speaker 1: that she even moved to the area in the nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies to find out more for herself. There, she encountered
Speaker 1: locals who claimed, despite written evidence to the contrary, that
Speaker 1: there actually had been a military presence on the mountain
Speaker 1: that night. In the early nineteen nineties, Margaret Fry, working
Speaker 1: for the bufora magazine, interviewed nurse Pat Evans about that
Speaker 1: most peculiar of nights. But this time there was a
Speaker 1: new detail in her story. Shortly after seeing the strange
Speaker 1: light at the top of the mountain, Pat allegedly now
Speaker 1: claimed that she and her daughters were confronted by soldiers.
Speaker 1: Having told her that the road was closed, Pat was
Speaker 1: ordered to turn round and leave the area immediately. Shortly
Speaker 1: after the article was published, a panicking Pat called Margaret,
Speaker 1: demanding to know why she'd added this extra detail to
Speaker 1: her story, because she hadn't said anything of the sort
Speaker 1: to her. Confused, Margaret consulted her notes from the interview
Speaker 1: and was surprised to find clearly written there Pat's recollection
Speaker 1: of the soldiers. Worried that she might have got something wrong,
Speaker 1: she then spoke to another researcher who'd accompanied her to
Speaker 1: the interview, She was also convinced that Pat had indeed
Speaker 1: included this in her story. Could they both have imagined
Speaker 1: it somehow, some kind of wish fulfillment perhaps, where as
Speaker 1: some have suggested, had Pat felt suddenly compelled and perhaps
Speaker 1: persuaded to retract this detail. To this day, Pat maintains
Speaker 1: that it was never part of her story. If you
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