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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is hot pursuit.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got a lot to There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about today, so much because you're

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Speaker 1: just back from Europe, right, Europe, Europe, US and plus

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Speaker 1: I mean you were in Italy. Plus Portia has come

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Speaker 1: out with something that I think is earth shaking in

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Speaker 1: a number of ways. And there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that are really grinding my gears today. You know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that are really kind of annoying me.

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Speaker 2: No pun intended.

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Speaker 1: Yeah good.

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Speaker 3: This will be our therapeutic session where we debrief on everything.

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Speaker 3: And we don't have a guest today, so that means

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Speaker 3: we can really exhale.

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Speaker 1: So can I kick off with just the racing? The

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Speaker 1: whole racing over the weekend that really drove me mad,

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Speaker 1: mainly the Formula one race in Monaco. Why do they

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Speaker 2: I mean, why do they do it?

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Speaker 1: Nobody passed anyone if you look at at least the

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Speaker 1: top six contestants after the restart, because there was a

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Speaker 1: then for the rest of the race the next like

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Speaker 1: teary and emotional because he's from there. But every single

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Speaker 1: driver there's a great video on YouTube that has the

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Speaker 1: reactions all of all the pilots, and they're all like, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: this is like the most boring race on the schedule,

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Speaker 1: like the without without with the exception of the clerk

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why we race here, like it

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Speaker 3: And that makes it amazing and so fun. I love

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Speaker 3: how upfront the drivers are about how much they hate it,

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Speaker 3: and just I mean, Hamilton's been saying, you know, like

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Speaker 3: he raises it, he says that, and so does Max.

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Speaker 3: And but I would offer the idea that Monaco is

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Speaker 3: else the race is. Let's be honest, Yes we know

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Speaker 3: they can't pass, Yes we know the cars are so

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Speaker 3: wide that the track is really sort of moot at

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Speaker 3: this point, and all the drivers hate it, and they're

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Speaker 3: all really upfront about hating it, but they all live

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Speaker 3: in Monaco. This is the race that has been run

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Speaker 3: for decades. This to me, and forget the Brits and Silverstone.

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Speaker 3: This is the crown jewel race of Formula One.

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Speaker 2: This is Mecca.

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Speaker 3: And if anybody is going to know one race in

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Speaker 3: Formula One, it's probably the Monaco Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: It just is.

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Speaker 3: The racing is completely beside the point we all and

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Speaker 3: by the way, the guys who actually win in Monaco,

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Speaker 3: that's like one of their feathers in their cap for

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Speaker 3: their entire career.

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Speaker 1: I want a race in which nobody was passed.

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Speaker 3: It's still the most prestigious, It's still the gym. I

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Speaker 3: mean everything about the fact that the organizers of the

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Speaker 3: Monaco Grand Prix pay so much less to host the race.

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Speaker 3: For instance, our story last week which had the news

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Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six, and we have sources who have

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Speaker 3: confirmed that Monico pays about twenty million dollars to host

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Speaker 3: proves that Monico is bringing a lot of other things

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Speaker 3: could do any race locations wherever. They just host all

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Speaker 3: forget Monaco.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what we're hearing.

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Speaker 1: I was so, I was thinking of there's a couple

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Speaker 1: like this could be the autonomous driving event of the year.

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Speaker 1: And then not only do you get to hang out

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Speaker 1: bottles of champagne, but you can also maybe talk to Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: Like the pilots could just hang out with the richest spectators,

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Speaker 2: Ohres, I don't understand why.

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Speaker 1: Because there's nothing you can do with the Formula one

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Speaker 2: Like this is what I would say.

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Speaker 3: If you really care about watching Formula one cars go

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Speaker 3: fast and interestingly around that circuit, go to the vintage.

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Speaker 2: The historic monocope.

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Speaker 3: Yes, free, go to the vintage race, which happens every

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Speaker 3: fun and interesting and exciting. And then leave the rest

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Speaker 3: of us who want to just have a really beautiful afternoon,

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Speaker 3: and we don't. It's like, if we're socializing, we're not

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Speaker 3: Because sometimes when I go to sporting events, I get

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Speaker 3: or the race or whatever it is. But in Monico,

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Speaker 3: there's no danger of that because if you're socializing, you're

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Speaker 2: So I actually think that's an advantage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would rather watch the vintage. I mean, at

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Speaker 1: least they're trying, right these one of the one pilots

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Speaker 1: I don't want to crash. Let's just get this over with,

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Speaker 1: by the way, for an amazing motorsports experience that I

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Speaker 1: did not expect. I watched the Indy five hundred because

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Speaker 2: Don't think anyone in Europe did either.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing. I mean it was truly if you're

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Speaker 1: five hundred, and then Joseph Yeah, the Penskee driver comes

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Speaker 1: By the way, borg Warner has been putting aside twenty

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Speaker 1: back to back or gallop wins it back to back,

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Speaker 1: and finally that prize was taken four hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: Joseph Nugarden got for winning the race, like the biggest

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Speaker 1: perse ever. It was an amazing, uh spectacle and it's

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Speaker 3: Well, I disagree with that. That's very American centric. But

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Speaker 3: I I will admit that I did not catch that race.

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Speaker 3: I was traveling, but I did see the last five

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Speaker 3: minutes in that clip that you sent me, Mad and

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Speaker 3: it was really, really exciting. I even got a little

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Speaker 3: I could go to a couple innings of baseball and

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Speaker 1: That's I think the ndy five D is just as

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Speaker 2: It's sure.

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Speaker 3: What I thought was really interesting was last week when

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Speaker 3: difference between Formula cars and indie cars and how analogue

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Speaker 3: indie cars are. I had it makes total sense, but

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Speaker 3: He's just really raw even still.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, her qualifying was awesome, and then he dnf'd in

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Speaker 1: But it was pretty cool. The other race that I

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Speaker 1: sprint to the race. It was amazing. Did not disappoint

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Speaker 1: Heco bang Naya one. He's the defending world champion. The

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Speaker 1: for Moto GP. Because Ducati needs to pick a teammate

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Speaker 2: What is the average age of a Moto GP driver?

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Speaker 1: They're kids for the most part, right.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's just an amazing sport where there's

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Speaker 1: so it's awesome. And I hope that Liberty Media doesn't

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Speaker 1: now they're buying Dorna, which runs Moto GP, and I

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Speaker 1: hope they don't make it into like a no passing,

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Speaker 1: like we're only here for the party at Monaco kind

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that would is potentially a danger.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, because motorcycles just can't get that wide,

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Speaker 1: you know. And as Claudia Domenicali told us when he's

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Speaker 1: spoke with us, it's more about the pilot in this

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Speaker 1: Dukati and the European motorcycles are dominating right now, but

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Speaker 1: it just shows you that it's about the driver and

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Speaker 1: I was following your social media presence at Villadeste, Did

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Speaker 1: I say it right now?

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Speaker 3: So this is Villadeste Concord Delegance, which is held in

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Speaker 3: It's been sort of cold and rainy, which is not

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Speaker 3: It's like really rare old cars, like one of won

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Speaker 1: Anybody who has a palazzo on Lake Como. Yeah, did

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Speaker 1: Well, I have friends obviously you have places on Lake Como.

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Speaker 3: The color it's like it hurts my eyes. Yeah, my

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Speaker 1: To me, Like number one, I've always believed there's no

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Speaker 3: It it feels like it's missing, it's missing something on

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Speaker 1: I like that idea. Let's move on to what I

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Speaker 1: think is some of the most earth chattering news in

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Speaker 1: the auto we It was widely expected. You and I

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Speaker 1: have been talking about Porscha and the possibility of a

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Speaker 1: Now we found out what on on Monday that I mean,

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Speaker 1: Was super cringe worthy. But the technology, at least in

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked because I thought you were going to hate

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's amazing, Like the battery works in

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Speaker 1: It, and it's a bigger flat six because you know,

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Speaker 1: Now it's three point six and it's got just one

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Speaker 2: Completely that's not a problem.

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Speaker 3: And it weighs like, okay, it weighs one hundred pounds

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Speaker 3: more than the non hybrid, but it's still it's faster

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Speaker 3: and more powerful. I've seen, I've been online, I've read

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Speaker 3: the comments from the Peanut Gallery, you know the of

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Speaker 3: course the purists are gonna hate it.

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Speaker 1: Well this there is a lot of stuff to grind

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Speaker 2: We should get into that.

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Speaker 1: But but I will say I like big picture.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't have a problem with it.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand like this goes back to my thing

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Speaker 3: I don't really care what's under the hood.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know if that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: I care about that, but I'm.

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Speaker 2: Having trouble caring well I mean, I need to drive it, obviously.

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Speaker 1: But I know I care a lot, but in both directions,

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Speaker 1: in both so number one, I applaud Porsche for just

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Speaker 1: they don't. They just made it better, honestly with this technology.

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Speaker 1: And of course there's I still cherish like an air

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Speaker 1: cooled Porsche. Sure, but you can you can go get

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Speaker 1: those right, They're all over the place.

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Speaker 2: This is another tool in the tool.

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Speaker 1: And I also think every time they come out with

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Speaker 1: I know, in hindsight I changed my opinion. But you know,

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Speaker 1: every time they push a little bit forward, they just

440
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: make such subtle changes. Okay, the cracked egg headlights were

441
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Speaker 1: not subtle.

442
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Speaker 2: But if the nine nine three is good enough for Jordan,

443
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Speaker 2: it's good enough for.

444
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Speaker 1: Me to me now, the nine nine to three and

445
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Speaker 1: the nine nine six are the least attractive of the

446
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Speaker 1: whole group, because the nine ninety seven went back to

447
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: a more classic look. The nine to nine to one

448
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Speaker 1: I thought looked even better, and I bought one. The

449
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Speaker 1: nine nine two I liked even better. And now these

450
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Speaker 1: little changes that they've made. For example, they took out

451
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Speaker 1: the little long line lights in the bumper, and I'm

452
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Speaker 1: so happy about that.

453
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Speaker 3: I think that's a really good move. And even today

454
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Speaker 3: I was looking through like really spending time really sort

455
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Speaker 3: of trying to dive in and wrap my head around

456
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Speaker 3: this because I'm going to go drive it in a

457
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks, so I really want to try to understand.

458
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Speaker 3: And I love what they did to the front apron

459
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Speaker 3: with the I'm like, that's that's cool. And again, I know,

460
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Speaker 3: I look, people are gonna hate on it, but I

461
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: think it's cool.

462
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Speaker 2: I'm not overthinking it. It looks cool.

463
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Speaker 1: I agree there are issues I do have.

464
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Speaker 2: Let's okay, let's discuss.

465
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Speaker 1: So I'll go in order from least important to most important.

466
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Speaker 1: I've never been a huge fan of the tail light

467
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: going all the way across like a Careera four. I

468
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: feel like that should have just stuck with the Careera

469
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Speaker 1: four and now now it's on everything.

470
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Speaker 2: Why do you think they kept that?

471
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Speaker 1: By the way, I think there that's just become a

472
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Speaker 1: Porsia signature, and it is from the Macan to the

473
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven, And I don't mind it. I'm just

474
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Speaker 1: not a fan. If I were customizing my own nine

475
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Speaker 1: nine to two point two, you know, if I took

476
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Speaker 1: my brand new Porsche to Singer or whatever, I would say,

477
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Speaker 1: please delete that.

478
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Speaker 3: I agree, because it's just like someone who has more

479
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Speaker 3: of a wide hip set wearing a big belt on

480
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Speaker 3: top of the hips. It's just like, it doesn't it

481
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: doesn't play to your strengths, and it doesn't in particular

482
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Speaker 3: favor that shape of body.

483
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, although I'm a big, big hip.

484
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: Lover, well we love big hips and is hippie Yeah,

485
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: not about the hips.

486
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is like there you can really

487
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Speaker 2: play it up in a different way.

488
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Speaker 1: I guess on the on the hips note. And I

489
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Speaker 1: guess this has been the case for the since nine

490
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Speaker 1: nine to two point one. There's no longer a difference

491
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Speaker 1: if you get the GTS or Carrera four or Turbo.

492
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Speaker 1: It used to be that if you get the base

493
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Speaker 1: base nine to eleven or the Carrera s you still

494
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: had the narrow body, and then you didn't get the

495
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Speaker 1: wider hips.

496
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Speaker 2: You're saying a difference in body style.

497
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Speaker 1: Yes, you didn't get the wider rear end until you

498
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Speaker 1: got to the all wheel drive.

499
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Speaker 3: Or like you could look at the car and know

500
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Speaker 3: you could kind of what's under the head, and this

501
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: was body.

502
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Speaker 1: This was one of the reasons you got the GTS.

503
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Speaker 1: Like in nine nine to one Portia, you got the

504
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Speaker 1: GTS because you could have the wider hips and still

505
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: have rear wheel drive only, which was otherwise impossible in

506
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: the line. Plus you wanted to be able to get

507
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Speaker 1: a stick shift to manual transmission, and you got the

508
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: center lock wheels. Those three I think were.

509
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Speaker 2: The main We should talk about centers.

510
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: And what do you not like? I love centerlock wheels.

511
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: Do not like it.

512
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Speaker 2: They're inconvenient and they're difficult.

513
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Speaker 1: To me, that's worth it, It's worth it. It just looks

514
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: so cool you're getting rid of those bolts, you know.

515
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: I do think it looks cool, But I do think

516
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: if you're someone who likes to work on your car,

517
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: switch out things on your car, they're really inconvenient and.

518
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: Expensive to live with. Yes, yeah, if you're like, I

519
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: need another set of wheels, right.

520
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 3: And you can't change a tire if you need to, really,

521
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta have the right tools for it.

522
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Speaker 1: It just I'm willing to suffer for that, all right, right,

523
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: for that luxury. In terms of the other changes, going again,

524
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Speaker 1: in order of least importance to most in the middle,

525
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: I would say the gauges. It's unnecessary in my mind

526
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: to get rid of the five analog gauges, or most

527
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: recently there are basically four analog gauges, with one looking

528
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: analog but being digital. It was such a great part

529
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: of Portia and every time someone gets rid of analog gauges,

530
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: BMW has done it as well. No one likes it,

531
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Speaker 1: and we don't get used to it over time. It's

532
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: not like I am now happy with the new M

533
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: two interior compared to the old. It's not cool to

534
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: get rid of analog gauges. Why do they all do it?

535
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. It has I don't know.

536
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 3: I don't know because I don't think anybody is asking

537
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: for it. It has to be something where they just

538
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: think it's part of modernizing the car.

539
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: I just it's like if Rolex said, Okay, let's put

540
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: a courts movement instead out of automatic because it's more reliable,

541
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: and let's get rid of the sweeping secondhand and make

542
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: it tick. Now, why would you do that?

543
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.

544
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: And that's a question I will be asking when I

545
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: go on this press drive because I don't get who's

546
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: asking for this. I feel like this is the automaker

547
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 3: giving us something they think we should have.

548
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: It might be a cost saving thing, like I'm like

549
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: an electric handbrake? Is it another thing that nobody wants?

550
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's supposed to be a luxury vehicle.

551
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: Right to me, If it's luxury, you have real analog gauges,

552
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: preverably a handbrake. By the way, when are you going

553
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: to drive this car?

554
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: June twenty fourth?

555
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to Sevilla for that again? Yes, awesome.

556
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Well I'm sure it's out. It's going to be an

557
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: amazing car.

558
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: There's no doubt talk about this shifting.

559
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's the most important thing, which so I

560
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: get on the configurator, I must like. The Portia configurator

561
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: is the second biggest time suck in my life life

562
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: after bat right, yes, and I love to configure it.

563
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: To configure a usually a Krera T I like to

564
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: do that, or a GTS. Those are like my two

565
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: go tos. But the first thing I do in every Porsche,

566
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: in every nine to eleven that I can figure, even

567
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: though I respect the PDK and the technology in it,

568
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: is I put a manual transmission. I need to row

569
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: my own gears. In fact, the first time I ever

570
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: drove a Porsche, like ten years ago or maybe fifteen

571
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 1: years ago, I went over to Germany and Porsche let

572
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: me drive a Krera four S for the week, and

573
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: it was an amazing gift and I learned it. I

574
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: learned so much. It was a PDK, It's very fast

575
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: on the Autuba, and I had a great time, but

576
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: I felt something was missing. And when I got home,

577
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: my brother picked me up in his old Audi, a

578
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: four station wagon with a six speed, and I drove

579
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: it and I had way more fun than I had

580
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: had in the Porscha. And the main reason is the

581
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: stick shift. Right lightweight, small car, rear world drive with

582
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: a stick It's so engaging, it's so fun, and ever

583
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: since then, I've always opted for a stick in that

584
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of car and I and I bought a UH

585
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: nine one one with a stick for that reason. There

586
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: is no stick available on the configurator. There's you can't

587
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: get it in for two Yeah, well on Portia dot

588
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: com you can't configure anything else, right, you can only

589
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: configure the new car. So like they have the base Carrera,

590
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: which by the way, would be my choice. Now I

591
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: would probably go for the cabriolet or under horsepower, but

592
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: there's no Krera te the GTS doesn't and I believe

593
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: won't come with a manual transmission, and obviously it's not

594
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: in the turbo. They do have the s slash t

595
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: on there, but that costs I mean, how much is

596
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: it still? And also I'm pretty sure they're sold out.

597
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: Like it's nice of them to leave it on the

598
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: configurator so nerds like me can still have fun with it.

599
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: But I don't think you can get one.

600
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.

601
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: The configurator isn't real life. And if you want a manual,

602
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: you can go buy a manual nine to nine two.

603
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the dot one, right, but you can

604
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: get you can go buy a manual.

605
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: Plenty of modern manual nine to elevens and the configurator

606
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: is for esthetics, it's.

607
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: Not for driving.

608
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: I well, it's also for fun and to help you

609
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: make a connection with the brand, and it definitely achieves

610
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: that person. And also I have faith that Porscho will

611
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: come out with a new Krera Tea.

612
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: I think they will because that's.

613
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: For me, it's the slam dunk. It's the obvious choice.

614
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: They've made all the breaks bigger on the nine nine

615
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: to two point two. So the only problem I had

616
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: previously with the Karra Tea versus anything else was that

617
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: it had the smaller breaks of the base and didn't

618
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: have the s breaks. And I bet you the new

619
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: one will and it'll have a stick.

620
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: So you know, as much as I quibble with some

621
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: decisions at Porsia, I do think there's a plan. If

622
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: we know anything about Porsia, we know that they know

623
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: how to create demand and generate hype around whatever new

624
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: model they have coming. So to your point, Matt, i'm i'mah.

625
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean I'll put a w there for

626
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: Porsia like whin when win sure everywhere except the gauge,

627
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: because that's even though it's a small quibble and obviously

628
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: it wouldn't change my decision to buy a new nine

629
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: to eleven. It's the kind of thing where they're not

630
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: going to go back, you know, even though they should.

631
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's because it saves them

632
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: money to put the same screens in all the cars.

633
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask about that, because that's a really

634
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: good point, and I don't I don't know the answer.

635
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, that's that's Porsche. I'm looking forward to

636
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: your drive me to hear what you have to say,

637
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: and I hope that we can get someone cool when

638
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: you're in Sevilla. Please try and find the coolest engineer

639
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: to come on this podcast us.

640
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: I will I will lean on them for that.

641
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Nice. The only other thing that we had to talk

642
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: about was electric suv yes, which is like Q push

643
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: stop on the podcast right, like does anyone care? Does

644
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: anyone care? You know?

645
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: What we did have it?

646
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: I didn't write it, but Bloomberg had a story earlier

647
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: this week about how EV sales actually this cooling period

648
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: might just be a blip and actually a lot of

649
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: automakers from four to Hyundai saw big gains in Q one.

650
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: I'll have to send you that article Matt.

651
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, but here's the thing, Hannah. You test

652
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: drive cars all the time, right, yes, when, but you

653
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: have also a couple of your own cool cars.

654
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: Yes.

655
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: So there are times I'm betting when an OEM delivers

656
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: a car to you and you're like, I'd rather drive

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Speaker 1: my car, thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And I'm guessing when they're EV's that's often the case.

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Speaker 3: I'm more dreaded when I think they might be poorly made.

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Speaker 3: That's the truth. I've got one coming up that I'm

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Speaker 3: going to tell you offline. I always hope i'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: The electric thing. Honestly, I'll tell you the difference. If

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Speaker 3: it's an electric vehicle, generally I really have to force

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Speaker 3: myself to drive it. If it's not just my commute.

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Speaker 3: That's the difference. It's like I won't just be taking

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Speaker 3: it out on Angelae's crest or out to Malibu on

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Speaker 3: the weekend or to Sunset Tower for a dinner, Like

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Speaker 3: I'm much less likely to do that with an electric

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Speaker 3: vehicle like the EVS.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: When I drive from my house in Hollywood to Century

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Speaker 3: City and back, it's actually a really nice environment.

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Speaker 2: It's nice.

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Speaker 1: There are well, there are exceptions also, Like did you

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Speaker 1: drive the Rolls Royce Specter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did, but I haven't had that in the States.

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Speaker 2: I drove that in South.

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Speaker 1: Alb I can imagine. It's awesome, right, it was more

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Speaker 1: than Rolls Rice exactly, the V nine. I really enjoyed driving.

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Speaker 1: But for the most part, when an electric car comes

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Speaker 1: over to my house, I'm most likely getting in the Challenger,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely treat them as commuter appliances

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Speaker 3: for the most part.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I just went over. Jeep just

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Speaker 1: unveiled the Grand Wagoneer S, which is their new all

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Speaker 1: electric you know, mid size s u V. They had

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Speaker 1: their new CEO doing the presenting, and he was very good,

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Speaker 1: Antonio Antonio Felosa. No, he's Italian and it's like great looking,

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Speaker 1: impeccably dressed snooth talker. So yeah, and he's perfect, he's

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Speaker 1: like perfect, like f C A bro. They had Ralph

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Speaker 1: Yield there talking about design and he's also obviously perfect.

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Speaker 1: And uh, he made me like it even more than

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Speaker 1: I did when I first saw it. It is a

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Speaker 1: cool design. It's very sleek. No, it's not massive it's

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Speaker 1: it's like mid sized, and there's some really cool design elements.

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Speaker 1: One of them is they call it the R wing.

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Speaker 1: So it's basically a coupe style suv like think Kyake

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Speaker 1: like Kyak coupe or like out e Q eight that

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Speaker 1: like the sport Back. But they you can't tell unless

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Speaker 1: you're looking at it directly from behind because it has

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Speaker 1: this big wing that comes out and makes it look

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Speaker 1: like a regular suv. And that's just for for well,

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Speaker 1: initially for design and now for arrow. And it looks

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Speaker 1: really well made. And I've had a great experience driving

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Speaker 1: other Jeep products. They the Grand Cherokee. I'm in love

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Speaker 1: with the new motor that they have, the in line six,

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Speaker 1: which obviously isn't gonna be in this all electric vehicle,

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Speaker 1: is very cool. I even like the big boxy Grand

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Speaker 1: Wagon ear and so I have kind of got high

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Speaker 1: hopes for this, but at the end, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: an EV, So I don't know, like if I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: really care.

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Speaker 3: Well, how do you feel about this new Cadillac suv

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Speaker 3: the Optic. I have you been in their lyric?

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Speaker 1: I have been in the lyric, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's like two ends of the spectrum with Cadillac. Last year,

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Speaker 1: the best car, one of the best cars I drove

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Speaker 1: was a Cadillac.

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Speaker 2: I know you love the black Wing, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the black Wing is an amazing piece of engineering.

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Speaker 1: And the GM you know, Mary and Mark and everybody

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Speaker 1: there there, they proved themselves as real car people by

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Speaker 1: putting out the I mean, it is an amazing vehicle,

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Speaker 1: even for the price. But the lyric I thought was

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Speaker 1: a huge whiff. Like I didn't like it, and maybe

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Speaker 1: I didn't spend enough time with it, and maybe no

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Speaker 1: one explained to me, right, but it just wasn't fun

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Speaker 1: for me. It was again that kind of utility thing

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Speaker 1: of non exciting. But so the optic par tictique, is

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Speaker 1: it optic?

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's optic.

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Speaker 1: I mean it just so, to be honest, the design

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Speaker 1: of it. I'm looking at your story on the Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: It kind of looks a little bit like the Wagon

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Speaker 1: ear S and all of the other mid size suv

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Speaker 1: electric cars. Like it's just kind of the same and boring.

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of the same.

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Speaker 3: It falls in that middle ground, I honestly, and this

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Speaker 3: is pivoting a little bit, but I'm still really curious

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Speaker 3: about the Electric Escalade.

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Speaker 1: True, I saw press.

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Speaker 3: Preview and like, that's the one I'm actually excited about,

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Speaker 3: because I do think that's a great vehicle model, line,

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Speaker 3: heritage whatever.

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, like, there are some of

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Speaker 1: these that are different, and I already we mentioned the

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Speaker 1: Rolls Roy Specter. I think the k EV nine I

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Speaker 1: would put probably the Escalade EV whatever they're calling it,

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Speaker 1: the IQ or whatever. Yes, I would group that with

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Speaker 1: those because it is there's a German word vookdig w

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Speaker 1: u c h t ig, which means kind of like

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Speaker 1: massive and powerful, like amazing presence. And that's what I

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Speaker 1: thought of instantly when I saw the new Electric Escalade,

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Speaker 1: and I have a feeling it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: home run for sure.

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Speaker 2: That's the one I'm really really excited for. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right, I mean it'll be interesting to see how optic.

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Speaker 3: Does I know that the lyric started slow, they have

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Speaker 3: picked up momentum with sales this year.

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Speaker 2: They've already outsold in the US.

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Speaker 3: They've sold more in Q one than they did last year,

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Speaker 3: so they're you know, they're claiming some some good momentum.

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Speaker 3: But to your point, I'm really looking forward to the escalade.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, join us again. I guess next week

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Speaker 1: the same time. Oh yeah, shoot us an email at

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Speaker 1: hot pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

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Speaker 2: That's it, hot pursuit at Bloomberg got net.

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