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Speaker 1: Here we go, Hour two. It is a Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 1: A lot of choices out there, Nick Wright. In five minutes,

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Speaker 1: it was a wild Sunday night, Bill's Ravens, A wild

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Speaker 1: and unexpected Monday night where JJ McCarthy pivoted from terrified

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Speaker 1: to terrific over the course of a quarter. Very surprising, jmack.

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Speaker 1: But I thought this weekend told us one thing. Coaching

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Speaker 1: matters when you look at the aggression of the Lions,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the improvement in a quarter by

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. So, I mean we've always known coaching matters.

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Speaker 1: Coordinating matters almost as much, and sometimes with a quarterback

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Speaker 1: even more. Yeah, totally, here we go. Heard hierarchy, our

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Speaker 1: first in season. Heard hierarchy, Heard hierarchy.

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Speaker 2: Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the Vikings in. I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to look more like the fourth quarter than the first three.

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Speaker 1: With JJ McCarthy's growth and confidence Listen, Kevin O'Connell was

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Year in twenty twenty four GM

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Speaker 1: and Kevin got extensions flores, in my opinion, the best

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Listen. That start on Monday was the first

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Speaker 1: competitive football JJ McCarthy had played in six hundred days.

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Speaker 1: It took a couple of quarters to shake the rust off.

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Speaker 1: Christian Darisaw, the great left tackle, is coming back soon.

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Speaker 1: I like their roster, I like them organizationally. I think

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Speaker 1: after Kansas City, there's an argument it's the best coaching

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Speaker 1: Number nine. Tampa Bay, Yes, Baker Mayfield. They've won seven

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Speaker 1: of their last eight regular season games, and remember, going

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Speaker 1: to a division rival Atlanta is a tough ask, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't have Tristan Wurfs, their best offensive lineman. They

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Speaker 1: Baker's now only got Mike Evans. Now he's got a

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Speaker 1: sensational rookie again. I think, as long as you have

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Speaker 1: Baker and Todd Bowles, the compliment of a confident, high

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Speaker 1: weak division, I have the Bucks in my top ten.

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Speaker 1: Here at nine, number eight, the Commanders didn't score a lot,

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Speaker 1: And no defense allowed fewer points in week one. They

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Speaker 1: know they can be good in close games. I have

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Speaker 1: the Commanders at eight, number seven, the Chiefs. Then it

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Speaker 1: gets real tight. Listen. They were zero for seven on

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Speaker 1: Worthies hurt Rashid Rice out for six games. They're still

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Speaker 1: reworking the offensive line. I think they'll be fine. I

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Speaker 1: think they're a playoff team, but they're gonna we said

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Speaker 1: going into it. Okay, they'd won seventeen straight one score games.

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Speaker 1: If they could go eight and three this year in

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert Joe Alt played left tackle, was really good,

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Speaker 1: I think these are very even teams. Kansas City's obviously

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Speaker 1: One thing that's worrisome for the Chiefs. He was thirteen

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Speaker 1: They got to keep Pokin Nakua healthy and the O

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Speaker 1: in Week one, and I think after Andy Reid, there's

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Speaker 1: Ravens should have won the game if Derek Henry doesn't

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a problem. Zave Flowers, I

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Speaker 1: I love everything about Baltimore outside of the fact that

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Speaker 1: It's not college football. Everybody can play with everybody. Raven

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Speaker 1: What concerns me about Buffalo the back end of their defense.

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Speaker 1: Their offense got five hundred yards. Josh Allen sacked only once.

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Speaker 1: I mean that Buffalo O line. We don't talk a

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen can evade it. Now they're gonna face six

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Speaker 1: they should win because the back end of that defense.

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Speaker 1: I have them at three, number two Philadelphia seventeen and

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Speaker 1: me only one target. I sense a little drama, hyper

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Speaker 1: aggressive GM. Howie Roseman made another move today. Six trades

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Speaker 1: and number one is number one. I thought the most

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Speaker 1: complete team I saw was Green Bay. Jeff Haffley is

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Speaker 1: don't see the weakness. Does this team ever miss on

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Speaker 1: tight end and wide receiver and quarterback draft picks? Ever?

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Speaker 1: Everybody can play. And for the record, Jordan Love, you

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Speaker 1: may want to look this up. Jordan Love's last eight

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Speaker 1: getting better, and Micah Parsons opens up lanes and space

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Speaker 1: for everybody else. I said, I have a right to overreact.

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Speaker 1: In Week one, Packers blew me away. I haven't seen

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Speaker 4: There you go, j mac am I allowed to take

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Speaker 4: ask where the Jets are because they were so good.

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Speaker 1: I have Seattle at eleven.

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Speaker 4: The same Seattle that lost to the Niners.

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Speaker 1: Jarnold doesn't bump into alignment. They beat San Francisco San

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Speaker 1: Francisco twelve, but remember Seattle is healthier going forward. I

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Speaker 1: have to consider everything. Rock Purty may not play in.

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Speaker 4: One where the Chiefs there on reputation.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real.

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Speaker 4: No, they did not look good. Mahomes looked unbelievable. That's it,

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Speaker 4: one guy. They also have the best staff in the league.

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Speaker 4: Miss Magnola did not look good. I mean he got

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Speaker 3: You should run it.

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Speaker 4: When Nick's on.

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Speaker 1: Next oy he is joining is right now live Nick right.

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Speaker 1: First things first, I thought I was very complementary of

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Speaker 1: Chargers again, it's a coin flip. Although I worry about

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Speaker 1: Worthy's health. But your takeaway in the top ten.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, so a few things. How close for the Jags,

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Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, the Trutor looked good.

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Speaker 3: They looked like a better operation. How close for the Jags?

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Speaker 1: Can I see a second week? I think Carolina and

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Speaker 1: the league. That's fair, Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 5: I'm the I thought you might put the Steelers in.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't I actually, And I also think the Raiders

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Speaker 5: are going to be good this year.

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Speaker 3: But it also might be that the Patriots are just terrible.

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Speaker 5: So I don't have major major issue with your list.

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Speaker 5: I don't even have, for the moment, major issue with

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Speaker 5: where you have the chiefs Now. I understand j Mack

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Speaker 5: finds himself in a tough spot because now, right now,

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Speaker 5: everyone thinks the dynasty has fallen. So the niche she

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Speaker 5: has carved out of number one chief skeptic that gets

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Speaker 5: to be wrong every year Jesu, He's it's a crowded corner.

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Speaker 5: So like now he wants them outside of the top ten.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 5: Behind the Jets who allowed thirty four points to a

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Speaker 3: That's fine. I'm not really too concerned with that. I am.

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Speaker 3: I think Kansas City.

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Speaker 5: Here's what I think is fair about Kansas City, Colin,

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Speaker 5: that it is fair to say the running game looked

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Speaker 5: generate a pass rush outside of Chris Jones because the

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Speaker 5: secondary is a work in progress, and it led to

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Speaker 5: Justin Herbert having the best game of his life, and

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Speaker 5: it led to Chris Jones pressing at the end of

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Speaker 5: the pass rush broke contain Herbert runs the ball.

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Speaker 3: So those are fair criticisms.

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Speaker 5: What to me is not fair, like the flip side

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Speaker 5: of those criticisms are because of who the quarterback is.

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Speaker 5: If they had gotten to stop in third and fourteen

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Speaker 5: and Mahomes got the ball back with ninety seconds left

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Speaker 5: down six, I think all of us would have been like,

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Speaker 5: oh yeah, he's probably gonna go win. They are the

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Speaker 5: opposite of the Ravens in that regard as vulnerable as

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Speaker 5: the three time defending AFC champion Kansas City Chiefs are

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Speaker 5: as they still feel like they can win in any

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Speaker 3: I have one other.

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Speaker 5: It's a legendary accomplishment. It's why you're you. It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: I should have said that before this.

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Speaker 5: But you said last week, in an attempt to minimize

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Speaker 5: So my question is did that take expire as of

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Speaker 3: And now it's j.

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Speaker 5: J McCarthy who in year two is the starn like Patrick,

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Speaker 5: were when they got Patrick.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's not Andy Reid. And I love Kevin O'Connell,

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Speaker 5: Andy Reid wasn't Andy Reid before Patrick. Well, Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: You know that. But I also know Andy Reid in

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the league knew Andy Reid was great. So

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Speaker 1: here's my takeaway. You're absolutely right on JJ McCarthy. It

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Speaker 1: go prove you can do it. And Mahomes did what.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's not going to now rattle off multiple Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe, but let's talk about that game. Is

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Speaker 1: My takeaway is, if you're a Viking fan, despite three

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that Caleb was perfect on the opening drive,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you I have Bears fans that are like,

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Speaker 5: All right, So I think Justin Fields is a bridge

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Speaker 5: However, and however, I am my marrow deep faith that

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Speaker 5: Caleb Williams will be a superstar in this league has

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Speaker 5: taken a hit in the last ninety six hours. I

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Speaker 5: will admit that you had Tyler Dunn on your show.

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Speaker 5: I read his piece on his website, golong TD Pay

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Speaker 5: for Good Journalism America. It's like four bucks a month.

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Speaker 5: It's worth the read. That was concerning to me, like

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Speaker 5: You can paper over that, and I have because that

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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks in the league. Who can make that totally prop But.

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Speaker 5: Here is for me, the tiebreaker last night was if

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Speaker 5: So I can't have you be inaccurate on the easy

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Speaker 5: I also have to have Can I say something about

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Speaker 1: Please sure?

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Speaker 5: It is not acceptable for I'm okay with older coach

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Speaker 5: is like that that I'm a better game manager than them.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, they know a stuff I don't know.

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Speaker 5: They're a different generation. Fine, whatever. The end of that game, Colin,

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Speaker 5: Here's what I would expect from Ben Johnson, young, smart,

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Speaker 3: On the thirty five.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, I need to tell my kicker forget the back

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Speaker 3: Fire that thing out of bounds. Everyone can do that.

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Speaker 5: It guarantees me the two minute warning and I only.

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Speaker 3: Lose five yards.

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Speaker 5: I'm fine giving I wanted to give it to them

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Speaker 5: I lose the two minute warning and lose the game.

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Speaker 3: I need you to in.

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Speaker 5: Real time realize. But I realized through my couch's drinking wine.

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Speaker 5: Have him kick a forty five degree angle out of bounds.

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Speaker 5: You keep the two minute warning. They get the ball

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Speaker 3: I thought he did a fine job, but the challenge

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Speaker 5: And not telling Santo's just kick the ball out of

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Speaker 1: So the Ravens have gotten into a habit of losing leads.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there is no comp for Lamar Jackson. Nobody else

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Speaker 5: Listen, I think that's a part of it. I think

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Speaker 3: Know, not shy about Lamar.

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Speaker 5: Jackson criticism when I think he's deserved it for big

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Speaker 5: But that's that's really just nitpicking. He was awesome. Josh

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Speaker 5: just say epic game Bills.

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Speaker 3: You know, comeback is great.

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Speaker 5: Holistically, Colin here is what I know about the Baltimore

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Speaker 5: Ravens with the Harbaugh Lamar combo. They are the only

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Speaker 3: They are, but great they are.

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Speaker 5: And their historical profile is of an all time team

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Speaker 3: Has something in common.

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Speaker 1: They win.

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Speaker 5: And I know the Ravens have a gaudy regular season record,

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Speaker 5: find ways to win games. Yeah, the flip side of

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Speaker 5: that game is this, Colin. If I'm a Bills fan,

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Speaker 3: I get all that.

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Speaker 5: I do not feel better about my Super Bowl chances

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at it like man oh Man, we have.

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Speaker 5: Real secondary issues on both teams here that I think

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Speaker 1: Listen, if you pay the quarterback a lot Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: I said this after the whole Fame game, they are

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Speaker 5: And it was just one moment on the Packers.

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Speaker 3: I know the.

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Speaker 5: Media there was a there was about a ten day

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Speaker 3: Michael Parsons, How good is he? How did that answer?

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Speaker 3: How they like Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you consider the fact that Jerry Jones

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Speaker 5: Kenny Dan Campbell said before the game. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: because Kenny Clark is an excellent player. Really in bat, Colin,

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Speaker 5: Kenny Clark is such a good player that if you

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Speaker 5: that type of game wrecker. So the Packers look unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: The Lions are shaky, and it's the coaching changes and

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Speaker 5: last few years, and that would really concern me if

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Speaker 5: I'm Detroit significantly.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think. Listen, every year there.

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Speaker 5: Is a team that everyone expects to be great that

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Speaker 5: falls off. Last year it was the Niners. The year

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Speaker 5: before that it was the Bengals. Yes, this year there

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Speaker 5: were five teams that everyone thought it would be great. Philly, Detroit,

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Speaker 5: Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore. Now I know folks are praying

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Speaker 5: for the downfall of the Chiefs. Talk to me when

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Speaker 5: yet it actually happens. I think Detroit is the prime

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Speaker 5: candidate for that one.

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Speaker 1: Nick Right, as always, my friend, it's football season week

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Speaker 1: ones and the books and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 3: And I meant it.

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Speaker 5: I just real ten years doing this show, after doing

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Speaker 5: it for a decade or more. At the other end

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Speaker 5: the other place, it's legendary, bro, it is legendary. Congratulations sincerely,

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Speaker 5: all right, Nick Right.

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Speaker 1: Dana White Last Hour JK. Dobbins Denver Broncos, who had

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Speaker 1: a rough I mean the defense was dominating. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to JK. They had a rough opener at home. Offensively

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Speaker 1: just sort of out of sorts. Here's Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 4: I know this is another Miami Dolphins story, and sorry

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Speaker 4: for talking about the worst team in the league, but

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Speaker 4: there is an interesting quote circling.

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Speaker 3: Tua was terrible, we know.

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Speaker 4: Against the Colts. Three turnovers, fifty one point seven passer rating.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: After the game, Colts cornerback Xavian Howard, who spent many

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Speaker 4: years in Miami with Tua, talked about how they put

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Speaker 4: pressure on the young quarterback.

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Speaker 7: He gets the ball out pretty quick, and once we

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Speaker 7: take away his first read, I feel like it's panic

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Speaker 7: mode after that, and it show yesterday. Man, we took

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Speaker 7: away his first read and he was trying to get

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Speaker 7: rid of the ball real quick.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting.

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Speaker 4: That's not nice. I mean, you spent five years with

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Speaker 4: the guy. Imagine if I left this show and you

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Speaker 4: just started saying stuff, Oh yeah, take away the first

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Speaker 4: story from J Mack.

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Speaker 1: He's got nothing like that's not nice. I know, Xavier,

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Speaker 1: come on, that's a little harsh. I think. I think

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Speaker 1: they've got the fact that stuff comes out because people

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Speaker 1: wanted out. And I think a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: leave the Dolphins have taken shots at the Dolphins, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they feel like you would do that for a

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Speaker 1: company you don't respect. If you respect your former bosses,

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Speaker 1: you don't say any even if it didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a lack of sort of respect for

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel. It was a lose ship. I think players

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Speaker 1: feel empowered to say what they want because they don't

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Speaker 1: really respect how they were treated or how it turned out,

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Speaker 1: and they don't want their legacy and their reputation to

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Speaker 1: take a hit.

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Speaker 4: Now we do know too obviously, pressure right, the numbers

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Speaker 4: are out there under pressure. He struggles as most quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: do with no pressure, clean pocket, He's gonna cook. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but that was the same book for Drew Brees and

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Speaker 4: a lot of these other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: So the more I read about this and here people

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Speaker 4: just trashing the Dolphins, which is fine, the more I

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Speaker 4: want to bet them this week against the Patriots. I

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Speaker 4: just bounce back spot at home. Come on you.

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Speaker 1: Whether it could be a factor for a Northeast team

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Speaker 1: by the way.

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Speaker 4: It's not like the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I have my theory on the Patriots that between their

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Speaker 1: free agent class, which was the biggest in the league,

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Speaker 1: and their draft where they played multiple players Christian Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: late scratch.

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Speaker 4: Right, and he hasn't practiced since like late July. That's

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Speaker 4: not good.

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Speaker 1: How was he gonna play? Oh, so he's been out.

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Speaker 1: Oh I thought I didn't know that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been out for a minute. I'm just I

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Speaker 4: like the Dolphin, and nobody likes the Dolphin.

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Speaker 1: I just think New England played a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: that had not started within Mike Brable's New England system.

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Speaker 2: Right, it was a.

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Speaker 1: First game and everybody, everybody has new starters. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: thought New England is breaking in. It felt like about

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Speaker 1: forty percent of the team, and I think they played

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Speaker 1: very deliberately and very cautiously.

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Speaker 4: All right, Let's move to the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin Howie

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Speaker 4: Roasman made another move yesterday acquiring Tank Bigsby from the

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Speaker 4: Jags back up running back. All they gave up was

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Speaker 4: a fifth and sixth round pick. I'm surprised by this.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles have made five trades since training camp. They're

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Speaker 4: coming off as. I love that you're keeping pedal to

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Speaker 4: the metal. You're not letting up. You're always looking for

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Speaker 4: an edge. Bixby was good last year with the jags

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Speaker 4: y seven touch power runner almost eight hundred yards. So

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Speaker 4: they already have will Shipley, the kid from Clemson who

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Speaker 4: looks good as a backup to Saquad. Now they got Bigsbie.

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Speaker 4: To me, this is a tell that they want even

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Speaker 4: fewer carries for Saqua. We need to save him. You

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Speaker 4: can't run him twenty five times a game.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. I mean I think that the

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Speaker 1: Eagles look at their division and it's they're playing the

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Speaker 1: long game on this stuff. They're they're finding receivers and

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Speaker 1: backs that can take some snaps and reps and hits

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Speaker 1: away from their stars.

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Speaker 4: And listen, this is what smart teams should do.

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Speaker 1: Or do they want to empower their run game because

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Speaker 1: they may be moving off a star receiver in Philadelphia, AYJ.

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Speaker 1: Brown one target. Let's empower our run game.

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Speaker 4: So you want to further just alienate AJ Brown. At

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Speaker 4: some point you're gonna need.

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Speaker 1: Him, you know, I'm saying alien eight. We are going

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Speaker 1: to empower our run game. Add six seven touches. To

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Speaker 1: the run game.

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Speaker 4: That means alienate the receiver.

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Speaker 1: You're not giving it to him anymore. It happens. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying it was an interesting move this morning to

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Speaker 1: go get a solid number two running back.

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Speaker 4: Hold on, AJ Brown is still a top ten receiver

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Speaker 4: in this league? Is he top five?

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Speaker 1: That means why wouldn't he be willing to give up

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Speaker 1: a fifth and a six for Tank Digsby Because you

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Speaker 1: think you're getting a fifth and a six back with

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Speaker 1: an A. J. Brown trade settlement you won the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl thing. I thought, Howie Rowlseman wins every trade. He

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Speaker 1: just gave up a fifth and a six for a

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Speaker 1: backup running back.

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Speaker 4: Depth matters, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Or he knows he's moving AJ Brown and getting a

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Speaker 1: pick mid season, Come on, not mid season, it could

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Speaker 1: be in the three weeks.

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Speaker 4: Interesting final story, Now, this is spicy. So arch Manning

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Speaker 4: obviously didn't look great last week against San Jose State,

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Speaker 4: and then they got to win. It was fine. He'd

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Speaker 4: ended up with four touchdowns, but early he did not

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Speaker 4: look great. Now, if you're watching on at this one,

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Speaker 4: look at this Arch releases and he's wincing, it's very

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Speaker 4: something's amiss. So I can't tell if it's an arm

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Speaker 4: a shoulder. Is it to push off the leg? I

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Speaker 4: don't know. But of course they asked Sark about this,

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Speaker 4: and Sark got a little combative with the media. Arch

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Speaker 4: Manning seemed to be having some throwing pains.

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Speaker 3: By the According to who, arch Arch said that to you?

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Speaker 4: No, oh, according to who, it just looked like he

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Speaker 4: was he doesn't have any Is there an explanation to

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Speaker 4: why he was in luck like that?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: No, I've never filed. I've never filmed any of you

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Speaker 1: guys when you're using the bathroom, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: what faces you make when you're doing that.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't even make sense because like Arch is throwing

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Speaker 4: a pass and he's like, ah, Colin, something's up. You

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Speaker 4: can't deny? Oh, I mean, why else does he want

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Speaker 4: to give me a lot? You had a good answer

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Speaker 4: earlier for shoot, I already forgot the topic. But oh oh,

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Speaker 4: why the Ravens blowed second athletes?

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Speaker 1: What do you got now, hot shot? Come on, let's

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Speaker 1: hear it. Well, I think I think players wins all

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Speaker 1: the time during football game. Yet, come on, that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna go young athletes. He'll he'll be fine, Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: something's up.

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Speaker 4: Is it a shoulder?

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Speaker 1: Did he keep playing?

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Speaker 2: He did keep playing?

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Speaker 4: Okay, it was San Jose State though.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm just saying is that athletes wins in football

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Speaker 1: all the time. I mean this idea that you're smiling

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Speaker 1: during football games. Matt Stafford wins his multiple times in

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Speaker 1: a fossil in the pocket.

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Speaker 4: My friend Archie Manning is like a twenty one to

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Speaker 4: two year old young guy. Something's up. You got that,

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Speaker 4: That's all you got. Athletes wins while they're playing football. Well,

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Speaker 4: I've done that. Ben Johnson wins and he's a coach.

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Speaker 4: Last night their butts kicked.

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Speaker 1: That's j Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.

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Speaker 1: Lie My Grable isn't buying Bill Belichick's nonsense, among other things.

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Speaker 1: Next in the.

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Speaker 2: Herd, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 4: It's the game we've all been waiting for, Philly Casey.

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Speaker 4: In a Super Bowl rematch, Saquon leads the defending Chimpion

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Speaker 4: Eagles against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs America's Game of

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Speaker 4: the Week Sunday for Eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: This is interesting. So you know, listen, Bill Belichick came

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Speaker 1: out and said, I am not I'm not gonna let

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Speaker 1: the new England Patriot Scouts into the building. And because

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Speaker 1: you know, they won't allow me in their building, and

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, the new Patriot coach, is not having any

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 4: Nothing surprises me. I would imagine.

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Speaker 7: That that that Bill.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he came back. For the best of my knowledge,

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Speaker 2: Tom's ceremonies to that, I guess he's welcome back based

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Speaker 2: on the fact that he was there.

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Speaker 1: So I'll just go buy that.

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Speaker 4: Since his departure is the head coach here, he's been

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Speaker 4: back and I'll leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: So also, Robert Kraft has said he is going to

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Speaker 1: build a statue for Bill Belichick once he retires from coaching.

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Speaker 1: So this idea, this feels very petty, and I just

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Speaker 1: I don't buy it. I think between Bill, his kids,

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Speaker 1: his allies, and his loyalists, he's built this fortress around him,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he's aging terribly well. He kept

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Speaker 1: hiring retread coaches that were loyal to him and it's

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Speaker 1: got a late Bobby Knight feel to it, where you

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Speaker 1: kind of build up these walls and we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: it my way or the highway, and the world passes

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Speaker 1: you by very quickly. You know, Bobby Knight didn't want

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Speaker 1: to do the one and done. And college basketball moved on.

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Speaker 1: They moved on. NFL is an offensive league, players have

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Speaker 1: more power, Belichick still leans into defense, make Matt Patricia

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Speaker 1: the OC. The league moves on. No matter how many

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Speaker 1: times you're told you're brilliant, businesses move on. In college basketball, Bibby, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing one and done well. Everybody else is.

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Speaker 1: Coach k Is, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Jay Rie, like

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Speaker 1: John Calipari, like you know one and Dun's wanted to

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Speaker 1: go to your school. Almost everybody else was doing it,

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Speaker 1: and and Bill's like Bill, you can't just keep hiring

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Speaker 1: guys that have failed elsewhere. You've got to look outside

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Speaker 1: the building. You've got to have different opinions. You've got

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Speaker 1: to take offense seriously. And I mean even when you

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Speaker 1: watch them in Week one against TCU, I mean, Goo

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Speaker 1: Lopez is okay, but they don't. They don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of great players in fact, there's a quote. There

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Speaker 1: is a quote from an NFL scout saying nobody's mad

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Speaker 1: because UNC doesn't have any players. And that was my

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Speaker 1: knock on Belichick. He was not great at college personnel

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Speaker 1: the last seven years running the Patriots draft. Why am

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Speaker 1: I supposed to believe in college football he's going to

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Speaker 1: be great? Like, look, why am I supposed to believe that?

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Speaker 1: I don't? And so you know, Mike Vrabel is just

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Speaker 1: calling it what it is, which is they're building a

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Speaker 1: statue you are welcome here. And and Mike Vrabel doesn't

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Speaker 1: need Belichick. A lot of the people like his kids.

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Speaker 1: They can get jobs. But ultimately, Bill is very important

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Speaker 1: to employment. And so I think you got to call

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Speaker 1: people out. And I think you know, certain coaches age

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Speaker 1: very well. Shryzchewski embraced the one and done. You're looking

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Speaker 1: at some of the older coaches in college football. They've

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Speaker 1: embraced the nil and the transfer portal. But sports moves on,

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Speaker 1: and life moves on very quickly. You know, if you

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Speaker 1: can build up these walls and fences and fortresses, sports

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Speaker 1: moves on quickly. All right, So Nick and I were

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Speaker 1: talking about the Ravens loss to the Bills. And I

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Speaker 1: think one of my takeaways from week one is once

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Speaker 1: you pay your quarterback Mahomes money, Josh Allen money, Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson money, you are going to have weaknesses. And right now,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City's run game is nondescript and mediocre, and the

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Speaker 1: Ravens defense is just not as fast and not as

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Speaker 1: good in the back end. And Buffalo looks slow in

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Speaker 1: the back end. And by the way, Dallas dak a

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Speaker 1: plus contract, Dallas moving off Micah they don't have a

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Speaker 1: great defense. Over the course of a season, guys will

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Speaker 1: get banged up. It's already thin. So this is why

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Speaker 1: it is so important to get the right number. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Tampa, Seattle paid Baker and Darnold more reasonable numbers,

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Speaker 1: so you don't have to like I watched Tampa play,

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Speaker 1: I don't see a huge weakness on the roster. I

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Speaker 1: watch Seattle play, I don't see a huge hole on

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Speaker 1: the roster. I think Seattle's a pretty complete team. May

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Speaker 1: not be a great team, but they're pretty complete. But

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Speaker 1: Kansas City icy weakness and Buffalo and the Ravens, and

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Speaker 1: that's and by the way, you pay Joe Burrow big money,

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Speaker 1: look at that offensive line for Cincinnati, that's gonna get

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Speaker 1: Burrow hurt again. So this is why everybody wants their

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Speaker 1: favorite quarterback to get the bag. Just realize the guys

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Speaker 1: at the top of the food chain. You know, Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: is an outlier. They pay Jalen Hurts and they have

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Speaker 1: great players. That's because they have the best and most

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Speaker 1: aggressive GM in the sport. So here's Nick earlier on

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Speaker 1: the Ravens loss and what he sees going forward.

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Speaker 5: Holistically, Colin, here is what I know about the Baltimore

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Speaker 5: Ravens with the hardball Lamar combo. They're the only great

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Speaker 5: team that consistently loses games like this. Every other great

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Speaker 5: team in sports history.

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Speaker 3: Has something in common.

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Speaker 1: They win.

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Speaker 5: And I know the Ravens have a gaudy regular season record,

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Speaker 5: but they don't win in the playoffs. They blow big leads,

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Speaker 5: they don't play their best in the biggest spons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and for the record, they draft, well, they're own, well,

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Speaker 1: they're managed. Well, it's hard. I mean we said this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The NFL socially engineers, and they're engineering that. Everybody comes

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Speaker 1: back to the middle. And so if you have a

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Lamar and Holmes I mean Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: That receiving corps has not looked like the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years. You know, all you have to do is

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Speaker 1: miss on one big receiver, and Justin Herbert took money.

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Speaker 1: Rashaun Slater, the left tackle, took money. They've got a

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Speaker 1: great coach, but they always feel thin on the perimeter.

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Speaker 1: So that's why if you're gonna pay a quarterback huge money,

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Speaker 1: he's got to be an a. You can't pay Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins or a Dak Those are B plus guys. Now

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Speaker 1: you say, what about rock perty He didn't sign a

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Speaker 1: monster deal. He's only a nine million cap hit this

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Speaker 1: year and a twenty five million dollar cap hit next year.

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Speaker 1: So Brock's contract is actually team friendly, like considering how

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Speaker 1: good he is, it's very team friendly. Darnald and Baker,

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Speaker 1: those are pretty team friendly deals. Gino Smith to the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty team friendly deal considering Gino could be

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Speaker 1: pretty good. So all this stuff matters if we look

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Speaker 1: at our herd hierarchy from earlier today, you know, Green

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Speaker 1: Bay is the only football team, and Philadelphia was good,

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Speaker 1: but Dallas found some running lanes and you got a

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Speaker 1: little AJ Brown drama. Green Bay. I've got no drama.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay was the only team I watched where I

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Speaker 1: loved the coordinators, the coaches, the O line, the playmakers,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, and the defensive energy I didn't see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I thought green Bay was hands down the best team

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Speaker 1: of the weekend. Listen, if Dallas doesn't fumble, Dallas has

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Speaker 1: a chance to beat Ced, does not drop that football,

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Speaker 1: Dallas goes to Philadelphia and wins that game. That it

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Speaker 1: was not a virtuo so performance by Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Colin, look at Washington. Did they look

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Speaker 4: impressive against the New York Giants?

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Speaker 1: Well? No, and they still blow them out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's that we don't consider that a

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Speaker 1: great roster. I don't. I think there are elements to

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Speaker 1: Washington that are very impressive.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you I'm going to go back

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Speaker 4: to the Chiefs. It's unfair to have them in there

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Speaker 4: based on reputation. It's like, oh, they won a couple

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Speaker 4: of Super Bowls and.

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Speaker 1: The well Mahomes was great, Nanny Reid remains great.

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Speaker 4: The defense was pedestrian, as Nick said, the running games.

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh hasn't lost a season opener in Forever and Herbert

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Speaker 1: Joe Alt by the way, moved from right to left tackle, seamless, seamless.

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Speaker 1: He and by the way, in most teams don't have

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Speaker 1: a Rashawn Slater. For most teams, he would have been

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Speaker 1: a left tackle. They just had a great left tackle.

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Speaker 4: You're Denver, Broncos. Don't see them in the top twelve.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't very remember Tennessee had the number one pick in

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Speaker 4: the draft. Like Denver, did not blow them out of

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Speaker 4: the thing, barely held on for the win.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I like that game. It's tasty. I still think

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Speaker 1: the Titans getting five and a half at home against

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Speaker 1: the Rams, who are beat up, is the best bet

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Speaker 1: of the week. Totally