1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: From the woods of Rome, Georgia. You also find yourself 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts with an outlaw biker gag tell us about that. 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: That was a case around It was like two thousand 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: and five ish to maybe right up to two thousand 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: and eight. I was undercovered for two years on that case. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: The Boston Division of the FBI. They had some Task 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: Force officers on the squad or at least they were 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: working with, and DA had an agent involved, and we, 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: I mean, they got to the point to where they 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: were like, we want to introduce an undercover. I interviewed 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: for the possible gig and they picked me. So I 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: went under for two years with the outlaws of the 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: Taunton Chapter and the Brockton I mean, I met so many, 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: but I was mainly with the Taunton, Massachusetts Chapter. 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: And one night a basement is involved. 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: Yes, what in the world's kind? 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, another night I wouldn't want to do. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: Over And you know, I don't know if you know 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: the show Naked and Afraid. Yes, my husband I love 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: that show. 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: So and what we'll do is we'll make. 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Like the fanciest dinner ever with you know, champagne and everything, 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: and then we'll watch these people be miserable for an hour, 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, in Africa or wherever. They are just barefoot, 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: walking on stuff, naked, having to have ants and everything 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: all of you. But to me, and I'm not trying 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: to be funny when I say this, but probably eighty 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: percent would be much better if they weren't naked. There's 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: something about that where you are just completely stripped and 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: completely vulnerable and just thought a normal situation for you 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: and this story for me. I think probably I didn't 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: feel sorry for you. But I tell you what I did. 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: I thought about your wife because I thought about her 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: a lot. Because I'm just gonna straight up to you, 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 1: I am not the type of person when I think 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: of like historical wives that are just fabulous, like Kreta 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: Scott King, Honey, I couldn't be her, you know the second, third, fifth, 38 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: nineteenth time that Martin came home beat up. Uh uh, 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna let somebody else do this this. 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: This next walk you know in Alabama. 41 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Like I just I'm not that type of person that 42 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: when people that I love and care about are in 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: such a dangerous situation. And I mean I admire Kreta 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: Scott King. Don't misunderstand me. I'm just not made that 45 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: way that I know. He's in danger. They have fire 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: bombed our house, they're coming for him, and yet he's 47 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: going to leave our house again to go make the 48 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: country better. And that's what I see in you. But honey, 49 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: I think about her. Yeah, she's so tell us what 50 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: happened in the basement. 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: She's got quite the fan club going, even though he 52 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: is really out. 53 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: There, you know, Yeah, she needs to. 54 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm in it when I go and speak like I'm 55 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: next Sunday, Yeah, a week from to day, I'm driving, 56 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to somewhere in Georgia to teach at the 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: Georgia Gang Investigators Association. 58 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: Oh, outstanding chores. 59 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes she'll come with me and then I'll get that. 60 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: They'll be like, hey, tell me how your wife blah 61 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: blah blah, And I'll go, well, she's right there. Why 62 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: don't you ask for yourself? But but yeah, so, uh, 63 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: after a year and a half being undercovered with the outlaws, 64 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: and we've done all kinds of things, we gathered a 65 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: lot of evidence against them or several members. Anyway it started. 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a whole deal of how what's a 67 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: country boy like me doing? In Massachusetts. You know, you 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: got to have a legend. You gotta have a legit 69 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: backing and understand why you're there, and it needs to 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: look real and be real. So the long and short 71 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: of it is, they eventually found out I was a 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: criminal shocker, I know, but I portrayed a They believed 73 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: I was a high ranking or leader leading official member 74 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: of an international theft drink. So they were reporting vehicles stolen. 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: In the beginning, they would sell them to me at 76 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: a stolen price. They would collect the insurance money, and 77 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: they believed I was taking vehicles to Mexico. And then 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: it got to where they were stealing vehicles, and then 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: it got to where they were carjacking people. And like 80 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: my nickname on that case was Text, and they'd be like, Text, 81 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: we got to get rid of this vehicle. It is hot, 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: it's smoking hot. We just took it to gunpoint from 83 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: this gap. I'm like, I got it, man. So and 84 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: I bought some dope from them, but not a lot 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 2: because it didn't make any sense. I'm on the border 86 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: of Mexico at the time. Why am I coming to 87 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: Massachusetts to buy dope. I'm on the border of Mexico. 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: You know. So we got to up the end he 89 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: after doing numerous deals at a year and a half, 90 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: and we decide me the case team in the United 91 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: States Attorney's Office. They had been asking to get involved 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: with the drug trade since the beginning, and the case 93 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: team was running a wire tap. We had all that stuff. 94 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: But we up the ANNIE and they wanted to meet 95 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: my cartel contacts. And we set it up to where 96 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: we were going to do a drug shipment being delivered 97 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: and they were going to help cover it to make 98 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: sure it didn't get ripped. And that was going to 99 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: afford the president of the Tawn Outlaws to be able 100 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: and other people to meet my guy Manny from the cartel, 101 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: and we set all that up. It took a long 102 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: time to do. This is a very fast version of it. 103 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: I go into great depth in detail in the book 104 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 2: on it. But the long and short is is the 105 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: night before the op was supposed to happen, Joe Doggs, 106 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: the president says, Hey, why don't you come over to 107 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: the clubhouse. Well, I've been in that clubhouse umpteen times 108 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: a bunch of times, and I was like, all right, 109 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 2: so I'll shoot over there. It was a little weird 110 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: in the beginning, and I didn't pick up on it 111 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: because it was like they weren't ready, And I'm like, well, 112 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: why did you even tell me to come over here 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: if you're not ready? And I go grab something to eat, 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: have a couple of drinks, come back, and then I 115 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: go into the clubhouse and what I don't know is 116 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: that word about what they were going to be doing 117 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: had gone all the way to the top. I'm talking 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: national president of the Outlaws, and that came It came 119 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: back down to hey, have you really checked this dude? 120 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: And they're like, you know, the people that have been 121 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: working with me are my so called friends, you know? 122 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: Were like, yeah, man, we've done like eight stolen jobs 123 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 2: with this guy. We did this, there was something else 124 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: and none of us are in cuffs, We're we're not 125 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: wearing bracelets, you know. But they said, no, we really 126 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: want him check. So my job as an undercover, especially 127 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: that deep in that long as I'm getting I'm gathering evidence, 128 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: I'm getting recordings because it's a very intrusive technique. It is. 129 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: It's a phenomenal technique to use to gather evidence against 130 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: people committing crimes because the evidence is so overwhelming. All 131 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: they can really do is a defense to say was entrapment, 132 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: which is going to be easy for me to shoot 133 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: down because it's absolutely not entrapment. Everything's predicated, or they 134 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: can try to make me look like a piece of 135 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: trash on the stand. So they wanted me to get 136 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: recordings in the clubhouse if it was happening of the 137 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: outlaws talking about this protection detail or this this drug shipment, 138 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, cool. So what I couldn't see 139 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: is when I went in there and I'm kind of 140 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: cracking my jokes, I would turn my head, but my 141 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: video recording device was aimed a different way. What I 142 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: didn't see is that when I would crack a joke 143 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: and they would laugh, when I would turn my head, 144 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: they would just stop laughing. They would just go complete 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: like stoneface. Now, now the record, the recording device picked 146 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: it up, But that didn't do me any good because 147 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: I wouldn't seeing it live, you know. So Clothesline is 148 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: at that point a year and a half in it 149 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: was probably my second closest relationship that I built and 150 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: ingratiated myself with. And he comes to me, he says, hey, 151 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: text you got a minute and I said, yeah. Well, 152 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: he goes into a door I've never been in, and 153 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: it's the only door I've never been in that clubhouse. 154 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: And it's a tight stairwell leading down to basically across space. 155 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: It's not even a basement. It's I couldn't stand up straight, 156 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: but it's it's kind of tight. But as I'm walking 157 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: in that door behind him, another outlaw comes in right 158 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: behind me, and I'm like, this is not good. This 159 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: is not good. And I'm watching and adrenaline dump starts happening, 160 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: and he pulls me down there and he says, look, 161 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: they showed me their pistols. They let me know I'm 162 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: not free to leave. And he said there's a lot 163 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: of shit going on and it's my job to take 164 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: care of my brothers because he was the enforcer. And 165 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: he said, so, I need you to write down your 166 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: full name, date of birth, address, social all that stuff, 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: and then I need you to take all your clothes 168 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: off because I'm gonna check you for a while. The 169 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: problem was, is I was wired to the hill? Had 170 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: I not been wired? Yeah, it's just embarrassing taking all 171 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: your clothes off in front of two dudes in a 172 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: small basement or whatever. So because of the adrenaline dump, 173 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: I forgot my middle name. I'm trying to write it down, 174 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I know it. I mean, I've been 175 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: it for well over two years, but because of the 176 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: stress and the old crap moment, I forgot my middle name. 177 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: But what seems like forever. It's probably only thirty seconds, 178 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: but I remembered it. I write it down, I take 179 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: off all my clothes and he checks me. But the 180 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: whole time I'm trying to talk and gather information, I'm like, 181 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: should I ask what's going on? Of course, my voice 182 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: doesn't sound like it does right now because it was 183 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: an old crap moment. My throat's tight, my pitch is 184 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: way higher, my enunciation was terrible because I'm freaking out. 185 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: But I'm trying to look like I'm not freaking out, 186 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: but I'm clearly freaking out. And I said, should I 187 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: ask what's going on? He's like, look, man, a lot 188 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: of stuff blah blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, I said, look, man, 189 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: nobody has to do anything. You guys. I'm like, you guys, 190 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: uh told me you asked for this. I'm like, you 191 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: asked for it? If nobody wants to do anything. They 192 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: don't have to do anything. But I'm also trying to 193 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: gather information while I'm taking my clothes off, because I'm like, man, 194 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: I you know, I already saw rope. I didn't see 195 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: plastic on the floor. But then he tells me, he 196 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: goes trust me, man, if somebody accused me of being 197 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: a FED, I'd probably smash him in the f and mouth. 198 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I'm not happy. I take up 199 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: all my clothes pretty much from the ankles up. I 200 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: was naked. I took my off. I dropped my pants 201 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: and underwear around my ankles, shirts and all the other 202 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: stuffs off and he checks me, and I think we're done. 203 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: And now I'm coming out of that adrenaline dump a 204 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: little bit and I pull my pants back up, and 205 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: then he grabs a piece of clothing and that piece 206 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: of clothing he grabbed had a recording device in it, 207 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: and he starts going through it with crunchy hands, like 208 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: needing it. And I'm like, and I don't even know 209 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: I do it, but you can hear it on the recording, 210 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: like as I'm watching him, you hear my inaudible side 211 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: like I'm like, uh, you know, because I'm watching it 212 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: going here we go because he's getting close, and I'm like, 213 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: we're talking again, like two thousand and six ish seven ish, 214 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: So technology then and nothing like it is now. Well, 215 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: let's just say the device that I had, if you're 216 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: squeezing hard, you're gonna feel something, you know. It wasn't 217 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: like it was super tiny. And he gets close, even 218 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: looks right at one of my video devices and misses it. 219 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: So I lived to fight another day. Now you mentioned 220 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: my wife. So here's the craziest thing about that whole thing. 221 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: As if that wasn't bad enough. As soon as that's over, 222 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: I start talking business, but I'm still freaking out, and 223 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: then I'm just mad the rest of the night. I mean, 224 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: I probably slept maybe thirty minutes, maybe an hour most 225 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: that night, but I don't even think I made it 226 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: an hour because it's just the stress and the adrenaline 227 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: dump and everything. And then we pulled it off the 228 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: next day we did the deal. But people always ask me, 229 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: they're like, hey, man, what would you have said if 230 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: he would have found something? Well, when he picked up 231 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: my jacket and my shirts and stuff like that, he says, look, 232 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: he says, I'm not gonna find anything in here, like 233 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: any cold pictures, Like I find anything I don't want 234 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: to like an they could pictures of my old lady, 235 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: and I kind of laughed. So if he would have said, 236 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: what is this, my first response probably would have been 237 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: a joke, because that's just me, and it's also it's 238 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: also a defense mechanism, you know, crack a joke when 239 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: you're freaking out, and I was like, I probably would 240 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: have said, I don't know, some deck of pictures of 241 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: the old lady. But the only thing I had other 242 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: than that was just like, look, I would have said, 243 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: the gig is up, I'm an undercover FBI agent, and 244 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: I can walk out of here and we can see 245 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: each other in court or all hell is going to 246 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: break loose. But that would have been a bluff on 247 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: my part because as far as I knew, every time 248 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: I'd been in that clubhouse, my team couldn't hear me. 249 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: Whether it was the walls, the equipment, whatever it was, 250 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: they couldn't hear me. So I was pretty much on 251 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: my own now. 252 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: And especially if you're in a room you didn't even 253 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: know existed. 254 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, half underground? Yeah, who knows. Yeah, I mean, yeah, 255 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: even today's cell phones probably wouldn't work that good there, 256 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: you know. So I what I find out that night 257 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: when I hand over my equipment to the to the 258 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: cover team case team, is that the first two guys 259 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: working that night were the task force officers Argent Higginbottom 260 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: with Massachusetts State Troopers Detective Comings from Brockton PD. Whatever 261 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 2: that initial exchange was between me and Joe Doggs at 262 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: the door, they felt like something wasn't right. So they 263 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 2: had gotten close enough to where they could hear everything. 264 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: And what I didn't know is they listened to every 265 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: second of it, and they had radioed back to Boston 266 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: because it was really the beginning of our shift, even 267 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: though it was like seven o'clock at night or eight 268 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: o'clock at night. They were like, hey man, they got 269 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: Scott in the basement and he's wired and they're looking. 270 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: They're going they're checking him for a while. So, as 271 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: far as I knew, the way they told it to 272 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: me was everybody was coming down that was still working 273 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: that night, blue lights and sirens trying to get to me. 274 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: Higgey and Sergeant Higginbottom and Cummings, Joe. They they had 275 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: suited up through their vest on everything, and they were 276 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: ready because they had been in that clubhouse before. They 277 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: knew how heavily forty five the door was. It had 278 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: a metal bar across it, more than one dead bolt 279 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: kind of thing. And their plan was if I if 280 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: they heard me freaking out or something bad going, or 281 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: me saying help, help, Help, they were going to drive 282 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: the van into the cinder block wall beside the door 283 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: because they knew it would be easier to breach than 284 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: the actual door. So yeah, so that was the plan. 285 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a plan. I don't know what would 286 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: have happened. I was underground, so who knows if they 287 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: were to drive over the top of me or not. 288 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: But they were coming. 289 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: They were coming. So now it gets even more a 290 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: little emotional, if you if you want to use that word. 291 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: During that time, my wife I had bought her what's 292 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: commonly called a burner phone. Now he's buy a phone. 293 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: He put whatever minute you want on it. It comes 294 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: back to one, two, three, four of your street. My 295 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: name has kissed my ass. I mean it's just you know, 296 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: used to make up. Yeah, And originally it was being 297 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: used by people doing the various things and That's how 298 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: I learned about them myself. But I bought her once 299 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: so I could call it from my undercover on And 300 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: no matter what time I would finish up at night, 301 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: two in the morning, seven in the morning, didn't matter, 302 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: I'd call her to let her know I was done. 303 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: I was heading back to the hotel. After I got 304 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: some sleep, i'd wake up and call her. So that 305 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: night when I called her, the first thing she said 306 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: was is are you okay? And I said, I said yeah, 307 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: Why and she said, she said, I don't know, but 308 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: she goes, I was driving with our daughters because we 309 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: were in McAllen, Texas at that time. So McAllen is 310 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: the bottom of Texas and I'm up in Boston, Massachusetts 311 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: or right below it. And she said, at such and 312 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: such time, I was driving our daughters. Whether I don't know, 313 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: they're going to get eat something to eat, or running 314 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: the errands. But she said she was driving in the 315 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: car with a McCallan. She got this overwhelming feeling of 316 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: fear and pulled over on the side of the road 317 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: and started praying for me. And I mashed it up. 318 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: And it's when I was in the basement getting stripped 319 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: at gunpoint. 320 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, Scott, I'll tell you there ain't no denying that. 321 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: No, No, that's some pretty some pretty other worldly crazy 322 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: stuff right there. 323 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: Sure. Absolutely. And then just that connectivity between the two 324 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: of you. 325 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently my old crap signing's pretty good because they 326 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: reached from Massachusetts all the way the bottom of Texas. 327 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: Well, let me just tell you that that's a pretty 328 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: good story. In the basement. 329 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: I worked under cover myself at the Fulton County Sheriff's Department, 330 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: and you shared a story, so I'll share mine. It 331 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: was the spring of ninety five in Atlanta and the 332 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: Grateful Dead were coming to town, oh boy, And so 333 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: they got a task force together and our job was 334 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: to go out and identify and then confiscate counterfeit T shirts. 335 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: So basically the same Thanks Scott, Yeah, you got a 336 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: cover team, had. 337 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: The whole backstory everything. You know. It's kind of funny 338 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 3: because when the. 339 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: Counterfeit T shirt you going to say you were working 340 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: all the acid going through the crowd. 341 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: No, sir, we were going to clean this town up, 342 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: putting up with no counterfeit T shirts. But you know, 343 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: when I hear your story, I laugh, and it's like 344 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: I tell my kids, I've never worked under cover. 345 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: You got to listen to Scott pain Well. 346 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: But you know what, there's still a propensity for violence. 347 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: Even what you were doing. You know, somebody could on you. 348 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: It could have. 349 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, everybody I dealt with was Heizekite. 350 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that they was spinning and didn't know 351 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: where they were at, So confiscating shirts was pretty easy. 352 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: With all due respect to Grateful Dead's music and members, 353 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: I pretty much would have to be stone to like it. 354 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: It's just not my bag it is. 355 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: It is an interesting environment, I will tell you, because 356 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: they had kind of practice, but it was something unique. 357 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: I want to go back to clothesline for a minute 358 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: because it's been my experience. I try to pay attention 359 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: to any type of moniker or nickname because sometimes it's how. 360 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 3: You look like. 361 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: We dealt with a guy named shovel Head because that's 362 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: what he looked like. He had a big o'head. Milwaukee Jack. 363 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: I know you dealt with that's geography. And then you've 364 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: got some of like machine Gun Kelly. That's a straight 365 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: up signature. He's letting you know how he's gonna come 366 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: at you. So when I hear you talk about Clothesline 367 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: and the bond y'all had, and he was somebody you 368 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: were super close to. And I want people to know 369 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: that when you're dealing with somebody man to man, human 370 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: to human, parent to parent, whatever it might be, you're 371 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: gonna bond with him. 372 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 3: You just are. 373 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: And I kind of I want to hear more about 374 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: Clothesline because that's somebody you trusted and he freaking took 375 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: you in the basement. 376 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's still I mean, he's a criminal. 377 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: But I you know, I don't really do the whole 378 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: dehumanizing thing like I didn't do it in the book, 379 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: because a lot of times I look and I could go, hell, 380 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: that could have been me easily, you know, I'm like absolutely, 381 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: I mean I could have been literally at that proverbial 382 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: fork in the road, I went right and I could 383 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: easily gone left. And you know what, then that's probably 384 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: what gave me this. It definitely helped with my skill 385 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 2: set and to be good at what I did, because 386 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: I wasn't far from it, you know. But in other words, 387 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm not pretending to be an Italian, you know what 388 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still me. But yeah, now that I mean, look, 389 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: so if you want to know how tight we were. 390 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: So he did that and he didn't show up the 391 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: next day for the gig, and it pissed me off. 392 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: I took it personal, which I shouldn't have because I'm 393 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: Scott Payne. I'm not Scott Callaway for real, you know. 394 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: But I'm like, you know what, that's bullshit. You're going 395 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: to take me. You supposed to be my boy. You 396 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: take me down in the basement, stripped me at gunpoint, 397 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: and you don't even show up for the gig the 398 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 2: next day. And so it was an open beef between 399 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: me and him. And the next time I came back 400 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: to townbody like Big Scott, which was the closest relationship 401 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: I ever had any and any undercover Scott Town Big Scott. 402 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: He was like, Hey, these are two grown men. They're 403 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: not going to settle it over the Phoney're gonna settle 404 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: it face to face. So whenever Text gets back up here, 405 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 2: it'll happen. So I got back up there and and 406 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: Clothesline came into the canteen at every bar I was 407 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: at and he was like, hey, Text, you got a minute, 408 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: And I'm like, hell no, you know, like the last 409 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: time you asked me that I ended up making in 410 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: a basement with guns pointed at men. I don't have it. 411 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: I ain't got one second for you. How about that? 412 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: But he's like, nah, man, it ain't like that. We 413 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: went back in the kitchen and we were talking and 414 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm like, I'm I'm in the I'm in 415 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: the role. I'm like, I'm like, I'm upset, you know, 416 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: kind of like, all right, well, we're probably if we're 417 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: going to get the blows, we're going to get blows. 418 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, this is this kind of crowd, 419 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: you know. And uh, he started telling me. He said, man, 420 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: he said, the reason I didn't show up is he 421 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: said that order came down from the top. It was 422 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: my job to do it, he said, but I didn't 423 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: want to do it. And he said, I felt so 424 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: bad for doing that to you that that night I 425 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: got completely fricking wasted and I passed out and slept 426 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 2: through the whole thing. And I'm going, Okay, well that's 427 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: a pretty legit reason for not showing up. But then 428 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: he starts telling me. He's like, you know, I'm an outlaw, 429 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: and I know I'm either going to die young or 430 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: die in prison. He said, that's my life. He said, 431 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: but and these are my brothers, and I grew up 432 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: with a lot of them, he said, But the truth 433 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: of the matter is is I don't really have a 434 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: lot of real friends. And he goes, I mean like 435 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: friends that I know would take a bullet from me, 436 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: and that I take a bullet for them. And in 437 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: my mind, I'm going, oh, man, don't you say it. 438 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: Don't you freaking say because I thought it was. I 439 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: was ready to like argue and be pissed or whatever. 440 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: And then he said, you're one of those guys, and 441 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: he and that's and then I was like, oh man, 442 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: I'm such a I'm such a piece of trash, you know. 443 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, so there's that. There's that bond for sure. Now, 444 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: I will say, on the scale of a lot of 445 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: things that I've done, Like, am I bonding with a 446 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: pedophile he's hired me to kill the kid he molested 447 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: supposedly molested. No, I'm not bonding with that guy at all. 448 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: Can I really bond with a bunch of angry ass 449 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 2: white supremacists who say they're just going to rape women 450 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: when the bugaloo hits because they still don't know how 451 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: to get a partner. Yeah no, but maybe I can 452 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: find some things on a comedic level or something just 453 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: to help me ingratiate and connect with people. But I mean, 454 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: it's just no. I mean for me, I think it 455 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: goes all throughout the law enforcement career, because at the 456 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: end of the day, it's about human intelligence. I need 457 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: to be able as a case agent, as a uniform 458 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: patrol officer, as a narcotics investigator. I need to be 459 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: able to sit down with somebody, have a conversation, hopefully 460 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: connected with them, and get information. And you can use 461 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: that in any job, bro anywhere, and I believe it 462 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: will help you succeed. 463 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: Y'all need to go get this book immediately. You think 464 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: you've heard a ton, you ain't ready for the rest 465 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: of this book. And I'll just give them two things. 466 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: So y'all go find out about a cartail midget. Y'all 467 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: go find out about a woman who's stay with her 468 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: husband to a two by four in a certain manner. 469 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: Y'all just go right on, because this book has got 470 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: so much more in it, and. 471 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: It's to me, it's. 472 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: An unbelievable playbook from you and I just want to 473 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: tell you I appreciate your service. Our country is safer 474 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: because of you. And there's something else I want to 475 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: point out. From the beginning of this talk, you would 476 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: say we did this, and we did that, and we 477 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: did this, okay, And I want everybody to understand, you 478 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: were with eighteen one hundred percent. You were with people 479 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: that had your back, had your six was ready to 480 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: bust down that wall literally for you. But Scott, you 481 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: went in there by yourself, and I just appreciate it, 482 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: and I appreciate the sacrifices that your wife and daughters 483 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: made for our country. 484 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: So thank you so much. 485 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: Well, thank you too, and thank you for your service. 486 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: And it's just about doing the right thing. Just try 487 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: to pay it forward. I tell people all the time. 488 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I can't tell you. I mean, I 489 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: probably didn't do it my whole career, but the majority 490 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: of my career. If I arrest somebody, I sit them 491 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: down on the table. I'm like, look, I'm not saying 492 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: I think you're a bad person. I'm not saying I 493 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: disagree with what you did. I'm saying you're an adult 494 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: and you chose, you made a choice to break the law, 495 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: and you got caught. So here we are. Let's start here. 496 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: I will say that for your listeners the audio book, 497 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: if that's your thing, it's me. I did it, and 498 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 2: that's kind of what throw. I think that's what threw 499 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: is over the top. I mean, the book's only been 500 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: out since March twenty fifth, and I've already been blessed 501 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: enough to be in New York Times Bestselling. 502 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: Author, so amen deserved. 503 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I appreciate it. 504 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you. 505 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: And I tell you what, when you get to Atlanta, 506 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: let me buy y'all dinner. I would love to see y'all. 507 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm down there a good bit because I don't 508 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: know if you know alert the active shooter response trained. 509 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely sure. 510 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: I'm a learn instructor, so I'll come down there all 511 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: the time. I got now that I know, and I 512 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: got you to contact. Yeah, I'll hit you up absolutely. 513 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: Well, y'all, I'm going to end Zone seven the way 514 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: that I always do with a quote. The FBI gave 515 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: you a cheap metal and five hundred bucks. 516 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: Was it worth it? Yes? 517 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: Retired FBI agent Joseph Pistone aka Donnie Brasco. 518 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: Now I was gonna say that's my mentor and friend. 519 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: Yes. 520 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: Amen, I'm Cheryl mccollumn and this is Zone seven.