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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is

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Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available

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Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan.

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Speaker 2: The Guinness Book of World Records reported last week that

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Speaker 2: the oldest dog ever recorded has died at the ripe

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Speaker 2: old age of thirty one years one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: five days. For those counting, that's over two hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventeen in dog years. The dog's name was Bobby. He

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Speaker 2: was born May eleven, nineteen ninety two, which makes him

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Speaker 2: older than some of the folks who work here at

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Speaker 2: Meat Eater. Bobby was either a purebred Rafero de Alantejo,

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Speaker 2: which I'm sure I pronounced correctly, a breed of Portuguese

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Speaker 2: dog trained to guard livestock, or a mutt. Reports very

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Speaker 2: but my money's on the mutt. He lived on a

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Speaker 2: farm in Portugal, and his owner credits his longevity to

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Speaker 2: a peaceful household and a diet of mostly people food.

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Speaker 2: That's a nice feel good story, but there's a reason

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Speaker 2: you're listening to this podcast and not watching Good Morning America.

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Speaker 2: So here's nature for you balance things out.

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Speaker 1: Perfectly balanced this all things should take.

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Speaker 2: A few days before Bobby's death, another dog meant an

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Speaker 2: unfortunate and after he was working for a living, unlike

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Speaker 2: Bobby and for his efforts, he was attacked by a

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Speaker 2: shark off the coast of Nova Scotia. This dog, a

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Speaker 2: Chesapeake Bay retriever named Pepper, was duck hunting with his

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Speaker 2: owner near midway ahead. The hunter had shot a duck

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Speaker 2: and Pepper jumped off the boat to retrieve it from

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Speaker 2: the calm water. The shark erupted from below, lifted the

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Speaker 2: was likely a juvenile great white, which feed on seals

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Speaker 2: in this area this time of year. The shark realized

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Speaker 2: that it hadn't caught a seal and let the dog go. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: it was not a catch and release situation. Pepper made

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Speaker 2: it back to the boat, but die of her injuries.

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Speaker 2: The hunter, who declined to be named, said this is

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Speaker 2: the first time he's ever heard of a dog being

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Speaker 2: attacked by shark while hunting from a boat, but Art

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Speaker 2: Gaton of Atlantic Shark Expeditions told the Post that this

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Speaker 2: happens frequently with deer, so not dogs, but deer. Sharks

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Speaker 2: will mistake of deer for a seal attack it then

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Speaker 2: spit it out. Condolences to the families of both Pepper

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Speaker 2: and Bobby. We don't hide our love for dogs on

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Speaker 2: this podcast, and I know how tough it can be

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Speaker 2: to lose one of our furry friends. This week, we've

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Speaker 2: got the Crime Desk legislation in the mailbag. But first

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about my week, and my

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Speaker 2: week got you know, we just got lots happening. Just

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Speaker 2: got back from Idaho, where as you know from last week,

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Speaker 2: I was hunting the Greater Sage grouse with members of

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Speaker 2: back Country Hunters and Anglers Armed Forces Initiative, which again

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Speaker 2: thrown back and to clear things up. The Armed Forces

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Speaker 2: Initiative is comprised of active duty and retired military. They

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Speaker 2: engage with active duty and retired military on hunting and

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Speaker 2: angling pursuits. They help them connect with the outdoors both

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Speaker 2: on and off base. It's a great way to learn

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Speaker 2: how to effectively advocate for the continuation, even proliferation of

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Speaker 2: hunting and angling. If you are a service member or

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Speaker 2: former service member, it can be extremely difficult to navigate

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Speaker 2: the licenses, regulations, seasons of your home state. When you're

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Speaker 2: deployed for months at a time, combine that lifestyle with

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Speaker 2: moving from base to base, and the hunting and fishing

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Speaker 2: passion can get put aside, which is why AFI has

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Speaker 2: Idaho through my buddy Ed Anderson, who's the artist. He's

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Speaker 2: an outfitter. He's a big idea guy, and one of

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Speaker 2: his big ideas is the Elk Camino, which is a

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Speaker 2: physical and metaphorical vehicle to get veterans engaged in the outdoors.

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Speaker 2: You'll have to look this thing up. It's a really

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Speaker 2: cool el Camino supersport jacked up on big tires. It

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Speaker 2: but more fun to drive. This year you'll be able

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Speaker 2: to see a short series of adventures featuring the el Camino.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be changing hosts and veterans hitting the

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Speaker 2: but on our last trip, Snort racked up two of

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Speaker 2: This particular hunt made me super happy that I did

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Speaker 2: stories and incredible food halibutsavice, salmon burgers provided by Mandy Carlstrom,

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Speaker 2: bicap being munched on by a sow grizzly. If you

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Speaker 2: think you're tough, this guy drew a great Alaska moose

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Speaker 2: He pointed out that Steve and I have never had

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Speaker 2: to prove it. He wasn't sure where old dirt myths

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Speaker 2: grizzly bear writing puts him somewhere in between. I suppose

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Speaker 2: I love the outdoor time, but I'd be lying if

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Speaker 2: provide a lot of highlights too, so look out for

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Speaker 2: that El Camino series. Another thing to look out for

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Speaker 2: on the meat Eater YouTube channel would be the latest

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Speaker 2: episode of cal in the Field. The Fesenomics episode is

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Speaker 2: finally out, a little late for the start of pheasant season,

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Speaker 2: but still plenty of pheasant season to come. I got

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Speaker 2: some sad stories on our season how it's going here

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Speaker 2: in Montana, but I'll save that for next week anyway.

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Speaker 2: Fesnomics Aberdeen, South Dakota a super cool episode. It's up

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Speaker 2: on the meat Eater YouTube channel right now, so please

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Speaker 2: Super fun, super cool, And that's all I got for

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Speaker 2: Jumping over to the crime desk, Chase Kaminski is in

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Speaker 2: legal trouble once again. If that name is tickling the

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Speaker 2: back of your brain, here's a quick recap. Kaminsky was

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Speaker 2: two anglers who earned international condemnation after cheating at a

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Speaker 2: walleye fishing tournament earlier this year. As far as I'm aware,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Prosecutors say the man unlawfully killed at

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Speaker 2: least five white tail bucks after dark in Mercer County

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Speaker 2: with a crossbow or firearm. Three of the five antler

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately Kaminski doesn't have a great track record. It is

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Speaker 2: Jumping up north to our friends in Canada. Park Wardens,

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Speaker 2: suspected poaching incident. After two decapitated big horn sheep were

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Speaker 2: public's help in providing dash cam footage from the area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are park sheep. But here's the deal. These

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Speaker 2: Moving on to San fran the San Francisco Chronicle reported

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Speaker 2: just about the most Bay Area way I can imagine

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Speaker 2: to flee the scene of a crime you've arrived at

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Speaker 2: your destination. Over the past few months, state Wildlife officials

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Speaker 2: then reverse the process to bring home their catch. Though

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Speaker 2: in Utah. Vint and Donna Wade purchased illegally obtained fossils,

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Speaker 2: other two defendants, Jordan Willing and his father, Steve Willing.

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Speaker 2: they faced decades in prison and hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 2: A Florida man who was caught last year beating a

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Speaker 2: that showed him using a hammer to hit a lemon

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't appear to be what happened in this case.

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Speaker 2: Florida Wildlife officials charged him with possession of a prohibited

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Speaker 2: sharks in Florida, and anglers are supposed to release them immediately.

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Speaker 2: You may have heard that Colorado Parks and Wildlife was

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Speaker 2: Check out the article by Eli Fournier at the meeteater

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Speaker 2: You got to keep it up. And this stuff happens

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Speaker 2: the freezer. Kind of rambling on here, anyway, op eds.

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Speaker 2: That is a great way to reach beyond the choir,

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Speaker 2: and that's really what we need to do. This is

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Speaker 2: an old thing. We called it venison diplomacy, trailhead diplomacy,

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Speaker 2: a bunch of different things. But just screaming at the

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Speaker 2: Game Commission is not going to do it. You gotta

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Speaker 2: start talking to all your state representatives. You gotta start

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Speaker 2: writing op eds. You gotta find ways to get in

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Speaker 2: front of that big chunk of the population that is

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Speaker 2: neither really four or against hunting, and just explain to

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Speaker 2: them why you hunt, why you do what you do,

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Speaker 2: why you are the crazy person on your block that

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Speaker 2: gets up at three am and hauls a bunch of

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Speaker 2: batter decoys out into your truck and drives off into

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Speaker 2: the night. Things like that matter. Talking amongst ourselves is

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Speaker 2: good for common ground reasons. But we got to get

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Speaker 2: out in front of the people that we don't connect

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Speaker 2: with all the time because they hunt and fish, right,

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Speaker 2: So get out there, do your thing, be respectful, and

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Speaker 2: get those conversations going rather all right, rambled on long enough.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for writing Nann ask c al Askhal at the

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Speaker 2: meat Eater dot com, and uh, let me know what's

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Speaker 2: going on in your neck of the woods. On top

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Speaker 2: of that, if you're in the market for a clean

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Speaker 2: and quiet, battery operated chainsaw, or if you really want

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Speaker 2: to do something pro with a self tuning, computer chipped,

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Speaker 2: fire breathing gas powered chainsaw from steel, go to www

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Speaker 2: dot steel dealers dot com and find a local, knowledgeable

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Speaker 2: steel dealer near you. They're gonna get you set up

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Speaker 2: with what you need and they won't try to send

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Speaker 2: you home with what you don't. Thanks again, and I'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you next week.