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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. So often in

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Speaker 1: life we rush through our day and our nights with

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Speaker 1: blinders on, not looking around us to realize there are

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Speaker 1: killers amongst us. I'm Nancy Grace, Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Annie Leigh's body just found hasn't even been identified yet,

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Speaker 1: but we all know it's her. A beautiful twenty four

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Speaker 1: year old young lady, just literally hours away from her

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Speaker 1: wedding day, A fabulous wedding and reception planned out on

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Speaker 1: Long Island that was not to be with me. Former

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Speaker 1: felony prosecutor now defense attorney GARYL. Coe and name partner

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Speaker 1: with Cohen Cooper E. Stepan Allen at CCEA Law dot com.

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Speaker 1: Renowned psychiatrist joining me out of Atlanta. Doctor Angela Arnold

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Speaker 1: at angela Arnold MD dot com. Former police lieutenant Nehaven

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Speaker 1: Police Department, Director of the Center for Advanced Policing at

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Speaker 1: the University of Nehaven's Forensic Science Department. Lisa Daddio, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jagswall State University. Author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: You can find him on Poisonous liaisons on the True

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Speaker 1: Crime Network death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, but first to

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Newsday. You can find Matthew Chase at Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Chase Matthew Matthew take a list to our friend

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Speaker 1: Randall Pingston. CBS police would not confirmed reports that another

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Speaker 1: student was being questioned and had failed a lie. Detective

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Speaker 1: test Ley was last seen three hours before an unexpected

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Speaker 1: fire alarm in the lab building. Police say the body

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Speaker 1: was hidden behind a section of wall, but discovery STU

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Speaker 1: students who had held out hope until the end. It's

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Speaker 1: a very sad thing at the university. So sorry. I mean, I,

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Speaker 1: you know, truly tried to remain as hopeful as possible throughout.

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Speaker 1: I certainly didn't think it would end in the way

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Speaker 1: that it did. I think it's just incredibly grus and Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me understand this. Annie last seen just three hours

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Speaker 1: and the irony, the irony of the timing. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to CBS. The discovery came on the same day

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Speaker 1: Lee had been scheduled to be married on long Island,

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Speaker 1: New York, to her college sweetheart, Jonathan Widowski, her florist

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Speaker 1: last saw her September third, holding as Okay that she

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Speaker 1: would have held today for her wedding. It consists of

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Speaker 1: four dozen of Carnival roses, which we chose for her

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Speaker 1: because roses were her favorite. Such a tragic ending, the

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Speaker 1: focus now obviously finding the person responsible. Police would not

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Speaker 1: say whether they have any prime suspects. Meanwhile, we are

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Speaker 1: told that the only people who have access to the

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Speaker 1: those with Yale University identification. That certainly narrows a pool

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Speaker 1: of suspect. But as we all know, practically anybody can

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Speaker 1: figure out how to skate in behind someone with a

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Speaker 1: key card. Guys, were there any red flags? Had Annie

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Speaker 1: or potentially unwillingly named the suspect before her death? Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to Maggie Rodriguez CBS. Can you think of

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Speaker 1: anything in hidesight that Annie may have said that's now

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Speaker 1: a red flag? She worried about her safety, worried about anything,

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Speaker 1: concerned about anyone who might hurt her? No, um any.

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Speaker 1: Annie was friendly and she was amicable with everyone. She

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Speaker 1: we just can't imagine anybody wanting to harm Annie or

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Speaker 1: Um Any you know, she she protected herself and you

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Speaker 1: know she Annie walking around This is it's not um.

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Speaker 1: Annie always made sure she was safe. You know, she

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Speaker 1: before I go to Matthew Chase, investigative reporter with Newsday,

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Speaker 1: you know what Daryl Cohen is so cliche. You see

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Speaker 1: it on reruns of Magnum Pi for Pete's sake? Did

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Speaker 1: Annie have any enemies that would want her dead? That's

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Speaker 1: how they always started. It's just so cliche. It sounds

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Speaker 1: all of us have enemies. We just don't know who

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Speaker 1: And some of us make enemies because of who we are.

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Speaker 1: So it may be a cliche, but it's real. And

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Speaker 1: as you point out, there are killers amongst us, and

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Speaker 1: for you and myself, Daryl, all people we put away

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Speaker 1: reporter Newsday, Matthew, what is it? Mains She's found in

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Speaker 1: police Lieutenant Haven PD, who were this case. I think

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Speaker 1: news Day, did you describe it as well? Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: it was actually the Connecticut State Police canine unit that

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Speaker 1: what happened before, unfortunately we found Annie's body. The investigators

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Speaker 1: about two weeks. I was escorted from the school to

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Speaker 1: my car. She had to have an escort to her

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Speaker 1: car for two weeks after the breakup. Well, in case

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Speaker 1: you're wondering, this is what happened to Raymond Clark the third.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jamie muro WTNH. Clark, now twenty

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Speaker 1: six years old, was immediately after a statement to forty

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Speaker 1: four years in prison. He won't get out until twenty

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Speaker 1: fifty three. I think that the family will never be

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Speaker 1: able to recover their sense of moss for anyone, but

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Speaker 1: all the best that we can hope for is that

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Speaker 1: there's many safety changes at Yale, and that's what we

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Speaker 1: will hope to ensure. Annie Lay never made her wedding,

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Speaker 1: her family devastated, her fiancee still heartbroken because of Raymond Clark,

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Speaker 1: the third No one knew a killer was amongst them.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace killers amongst us, signing off goodbye friend,