WEBVTT - Draft Show: Unleash the Beast 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:11.600 This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.400 room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.200 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:19.160 Star in Frisco. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.720 Today is Thursday, January twenty fifth, and we are ninety 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.680 one days away from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.520 As we welcome you into the Draft Show presented by 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.560 Miller lightlive from the SWBC studios. Here at the Star 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:41.160 in Frisco, we have Nick Harris, Brian brought us, Zach Waltschuk. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:41.640 And filling in. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.680 Today we have a very very special guest from the 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:50.640 Athletic the one the only, Dane Brugler joins us prior 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.080 to Shrine Bowl in town. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:52.920 What's up Dane? 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.440 Hey, how are you guys? This feels right, you know, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:56.960 it feels so good be back. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.440 I mean Frisco and the Cowboys they hold such a 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.760 close place to my heart. After I graduated college, came 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.600 down here, lived here for ten years. Any chance I 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.160 have to come back, I'm here. And so when the 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.040 Shrine Bowl announced they're moving to Frisco, yeah, fist pump, 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.520 it's going to get to go to Frisco now on 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.200 my scouting tour through the draft process. So this is 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.880 gonna be a lot of fun. I'm excited you guys, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:21.520 welcome me back. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:22.959 You've got a little twinkle in your eye. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.040 I don't know if it's the new studio lights or 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.440 what it actually ends up being, but it does. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.120 It's a little bit different in the last time you 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:29.679 made it in here. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.200 And we've always said, as I knocked your laptop over, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.640 we've always said that the invitation's open, and we mean it. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.959 Anytime Danes in town, we're gonna make it happen. And 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:42.119 this is the beginning of a very busy, busy couple 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.280 of months for you, right, Oh, no doubt. 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.039 I mean for all of us. Really, this the All 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.080 Star season is. We're in the midst of it. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.480 You know, we've had the Hula Bowl, We've had College 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.640 grid Ironer Showcase with down the road in Fort Worth. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.560 Starting this weekend is the Shrine Game. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.720 The Shrine Bowl, you know, one of the oldest All 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.120 Star game, and it's been It was in I mean 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:04.760 how many places. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.280 It was in Tampa for a while, yeah, with the Vegas. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.120 I remember when it was in Palo Alto forever out 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.000 in California. That's one of my first experience of going 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.720 in nineteen ninety two. But you're absolutely right story historically, Yeah, absolutely. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.959 Yeah, I've played in this game. Yeah, even recently. I 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:21.280 mean Brock Purty played in this game. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:22.320 Yeah. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.360 You look at some of the quarterbacks that were starting 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.840 in the NFL this year as rookies, Aidan O'Connell with 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.800 the Raiders or Dorian Thompson Robinson with the Browns, he 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:31.320 was in this game. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.160 So there will be plenty of talent. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.280 Here this week for us to get our eyes on 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.000 and figure out, figure them out before we get through 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.080 the Combine Pro Days workouts. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:42.560 So it's a it's a good first step. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.040 Well, we're certainly glad you're here in getting a chance 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:46.959 to catch up with you in studio. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:47.440 Brian. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.120 I mean, he's one of the OG's, he's he's the 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:51.480 he's one of the founders. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.960 When Ed Cahill had had the idea about it, Derek Eagleton, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.560 you know, we all talked about it, and then Dane 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:04.040 was really getting started in his journey involved and you 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.200 know he just came off as this like man, this 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.440 guy works hard at it, he's got an opinion. It 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.440 was perfect for what we were trying to do to 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.560 launch the Draft show. And uh, I'll always be indebted 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.600 to to Dane for all the years of service. We 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.880 were laughing earlier in this little pre show talk about 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.679 how he used to sell the Beast that that now 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.840 it's one of these things that NFL executives have on 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.200 their desks, the Draft Bible. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.680 It's really is the Draft Bible. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.400 And and and I just remember that the what Dane 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.080 went through to get that out and just to and 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.840 we were promoting it on our you know, some of 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.920 the early draft shows and people then it became like 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.160 you couldn't have a draft without it, you know. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.760 And and I just was so proud of what he's done. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.920 Uh, where he's, where this journey has taken him, and 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.600 the respect around the league and around the world for 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.200 his ability to evaluate this these players, and uh, it's 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.800 it's it's it's a sense of pride that I know 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.080 Dallas Cowboys dot Com had a big part of his 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:08.640 career going forward. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.040 No doubt, and we always cheer for Dane. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.000 He's also I joked about this, but I'm completely serious 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.880 about it. The only reason I have a subscription to 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:17.640 the Athletic is to make sure that I've got to 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.800 get that yeah to the beast whenever it comes to 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.400 draft time. And I do a show Monday through Friday 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.640 with John Machoda of The Athletic and Dame's the reason 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.240 why I have the Athletic subscription. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.039 But shot, John, Josh. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.120 I read your articles too, don't worry, but uh really 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.240 is good to have you. But let's not just sit 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.279 here and patch shake around. We got to talk some 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.560 draft now. I want to talk about the We're going 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.880 to preview the Senior Bowl coming up in the next segment, 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.760 and then the Shrine Bowl and the third segment, but 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.560 just to get us started, your thoughts on where the 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.160 depth of this draft is, because that's really where Cowboys 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.120 fans are looking right now. They're looking for these different 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.039 positions of need. They're looking for best player available. But 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.080 we got to look at it from a broad stroke 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.800 standpoint early on. Where do you look if you're trying 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:01.559 to find some depth. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.920 I think at most years, I'm more excited about Day 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.279 two than I am in the first round. But this 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.680 year it's kind of the opposite. I love the first 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.080 round this year. I think this could be like a 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.279 eleven NFL draft when we literally half the picks in 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:17.719 at two has an eleven NFL draft. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:18.640 We're Pro bowlers. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:19.480 Yeah, I think we. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:20.960 Could have a first round like that this year. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.400 There are a ton of Blue Chippers, high end talent, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.200 So I'm really excited for the first round. I'm also 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:27.760 excited for the depth because I do think we have 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.159 that as well. We're not sacrificing one for the other. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.880 Like everything, it's one. You know, you look at position 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.880 by position. Some positions are more or deeper than others. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.640 I'm convinced wide receiver is going to be deep. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:39.400 Of our lives. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.960 Yeah, yeah, everybody. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.200 You know, the top tier athletes in high school and 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.279 coming up, they want the ball in their hands, right, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.039 and we see that seven on seven, we see that 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.919 college and so I'm convinced wide receiver depth is going 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.400 to be strong, you know forever after that. You know, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.839 this is a quarterback heavy draft. We know that offensive 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.279 line I think is really strong. This is an offensive 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.600 tackle first round. Yeah, and this is what we expected. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.720 We going back to my top fifty that I did 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.800 in August before the season started, offensive tackle was the 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.000 most well represented position in that top fifty. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.440 I think there were not eight or nine in that 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:16.720 initial top fifty. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.559 That's kind of how it's played out with the amount 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.839 of tackles that we could see going in the first round. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.960 So I do think there's a drop off at the position. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.960 But if you're looking for a tackle, if you're looking 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.800 for offensive line, somewhere in the top fifty sixty picks, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.440 there's gonna be a guy for you, Dane. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.120 When we're all going to like stack our boards at 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:35.480 the end of this, so we're going to come up 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.680 with You know, we always get the questions asked to us, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.359 how many first round grades you have. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.919 I know we've got all star games. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.560 I know we've got combined, I know we got medicals 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.520 that we've got to deal with too, because there's some 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.799 guys that have some medical questions. But in your mind, 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.320 you have as you've done some of your early studies, 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.480 and i'd say early, you've been doing this since May. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.920 But do you have a. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.200 Number where you think you're first round cut off is 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.000 gonna be? Is the is it a twenty two, a 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.640 twenty three, is it a nineteen? You have an idea 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.120 where that number is on your cutoff. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.480 It's probably gonna be around twenty five for me. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.640 Okay, so this thing's gonna go pretty deep. Yeah, there 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:14.840 you go. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.480 Like I said, I think this is a first round 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.040 where you in some years you don't really want a 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.160 top ten pick because right you know you're you're not 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.080 getting a Blue Chipper necessarily. This year, I think you are. Plus, 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.680 I think it's gonna stretch there you go where the 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.120 Cowboys around that range of the Cowboys were picking. So 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.560 it'll be interesting as we go through the process if 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.320 that changes it at all. Some of these guys do 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.440 have medical histories that we need to figure out, you know, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.320 lead to a lot to UCLA. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:42.720 That's that's a big one. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.680 You know, all these guys have something that it could 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.760 change how we feel about them throughout the process. But 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:49.320 like I said, I think this is going to be 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.840 a stacked first round and that's good news for the 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.600 Cowboys with where they're going to be picking. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.000 In your in your two round mock draft that you 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.520 did just here recently, you gave them Tyler Geiiton from Oklahoma, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.600 the offensive tackle. I think the premise that you had 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.320 of the offensive tackle with the Tyron Smith is something 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.200 we talk about on our various shows, and I know 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.720 Zach and I talk about on the radio all the time. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.960 Was there was guiding the guy all the way there 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.400 for you? Or did you have another tackle that you 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.400 were kind of thinking because I feel like that we're 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.120 all kind of you know, we've all got our tackles 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.560 that we like. Yeah, but is there something with Is 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.160 it just that Guidon sits that much, just a little 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.320 bit higher on your board than maybe some of the 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.720 other tackles that you were looking at, or was that 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.439 Guiton just all the way that was going to be 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:34.719 your guy? 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.760 I think the draft process is going to help us 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.240 figure out what those stacks, how the stack's gonna look, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.440 because these guys are all I think, pretty close together 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.880 and there's no consensus. I think a lot for me 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.640 Joe Walton, Notre Dames of top Tackle, oldlu Fashon, New 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.160 Penn stays number two, and then I think you have 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.200 a lot of guys in that same next tier and 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.319 so breaking them up between Amarus Amaryu's mems is one 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.000 of the freakiest dudes I've ever watched playoffensive tackle before 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.520 because eight starts and how do you teams are going 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.120 to be referencing his first ever start against Ohio State 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.360 last year in the playoffs semi finals, as look what. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:10.000 He did in this game. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.960 Yeah, and you know when you're referencing that game, which 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:14.679 is gonna be it. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:15.480 Was over a year ago. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.560 Like that kind of tells you how little football he's played. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.240 But the length that he plays, with the movement skills, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.280 it's it's on real. So but Geiden kind of. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.280 Along those same lines. He's a freaky guy. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.120 Yes, you he's not the most polished, but you see 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.040 him move out there and you get excited. And he 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.480 was a right tackle at Oklahoma. You know it wasn't 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.160 He doesn't have perfect tape by any means. He's not 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.679 the most polished player, but that's why you might be 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.720 able to get him where you get him. So this 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.400 is offensive tackle class that I think there's gonna be 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.240 a lot of guys ranked pretty closely and every team 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.640 depending on what scheme you run. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:53.600 If you're looking for more of. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.480 A run block and more of a pass protector, you're 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.920 gonna rank them maybe a little bit different. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.040 I think I thought your reasoning was excellent though. Why 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.719 you put the player there, Well, sometimes sometimes you look 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.680 at you go, he's just a n s he Sometimes 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.240 you get mock drafters that are forcing players in positions 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.360 because they have to get him off their you know, 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:12.880 they have to get him off the list. I go, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.240 you know, I don't want to miss not having this 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.160 guy on, you know, and you feel like you put 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:18.840 him too deep in the draft. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.000 Well, I thought it was the same thing with Jonathan 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.520 Brooks in the second round. And we've talked a lot 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.800 about the running back class and last year it was 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.480 deep and I was very surprised that the Cowboys waited 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.880 until the sixth round to take duce Vaughn. This year 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.720 with Jonathan Brooks, I think the only hesitation is the 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.040 injury right with the ACL Otherwise he's probably the top 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:35.800 back in this class. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.600 But I wonder how you look. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.240 At the depth if the Cowboys waited, and they probably 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:41.880 would need to pick up some extra picks. Maybe the 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.880 compis help with that. But guys like Jalen Wright from 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.520 Tennessee I think has really kind of caught my I. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.960 Ray Davis is a fantastic story out of Kentucky. Schrader 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.840 is a player that we've talked about from a Zoo. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.600 Also a fantastic story. D two to first team All 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.200 SEC I mean, and a tough runner. But that's definitely 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.840 a position area where I think the Cowboys are going 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.240 to have to be looking at because we don't know 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.240 about the future of that position. 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.680 There might not be a running back drafted top fifty 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.000 this year, and that'd be only the second time ever 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.200 in the history of the league that we didn't have 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.960 a running back drafted that high. So but once get 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.680 where the Cowboys are picking in the second round, third round, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.839 fourth round, I think that's pretty good area for where 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.800 these running backs that come off the board. And this 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.800 is another position where there's no consensus running back one. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.400 Brooks still has a shot to be that first running 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.160 back drafted. We'll see how you know, the a cl 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.280 rehab goes the combine well, obviously big for him in 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.440 terms of the medicals. He'll be here actually at the 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:38.760 Shrine Bowl, not working out, Uh. Same thing with Jatavian Sanders, 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:39.880 the tight end from Texas. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.280 He'll be here. Jordan Travis, the Florida State quarterback. Same thing. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.640 But yeah's audrec estimate is from Notre Dame Braylan Allen 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:49.400 from Wisconsin. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.679 All these guys offer something a little bit different. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.320 Bucky Irving from Oregon's a different type of back Jalen Right, 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.360 who you mentioned he might be one of the fastest 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.880 players in this explosive Yeah, I mean he was a 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.240 one hundred meter state champ being back in high school 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.640 in North Carolina. So he reminds me a lot of 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.600 Droom forward with the Browns, who He's got contact, balance, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.200 he's got speed, some other things, you know, some of 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.599 the pacing, the tempo you have to worry about a 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.959 little bit that's still developing. But he's also one of 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.960 the youngest players in this trap, so he's you think 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.079 about the upside with him, and yeah, he's gonna be 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:20.800 right there in that mix that third, fourth round. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.880 Is it going to be a run? Is it going 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.280 to be a run? Do you feel like in that 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.680 I mean, is it going to be Sometimes we see 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.839 the run with those corners where all of a sudden, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.640 it's like, yeah, Dane looks up, goes okay, here we go, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.720 you know, and it's. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:33.560 Bam bam, bam bam. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:34.679 They tight last year. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.160 Yeah, they start hitting all these guys and we're all 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.040 and we're going into it thinking there's going to be 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.280 a run. If there's not one in the top fifty, 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.720 could there be that run? That you have to You 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.480 have to know when it's going to start and be 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:47.679 in the middle of it if you want one of 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:48.240 these guys that. 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.080 Might have happened to the Cowboys last year with the 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.200 run we saw in the third tyjer Spears comes off, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:53.640 Kendrey Miller comes off the. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.120 Board, Charbona Right, So this this Drenth. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.040 Is similar to last year, except there's no Gibbs or 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.679 Bijon at the top, right. But in terms of that 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.679 third round range, we're gonna see a lot of these 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.520 guys come off the board. And yeah, I wouldn't be 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.520 surprised at allf we see you know, Blake Koram from Michigan, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.080 who I think is gonna run great. He's got he's 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.240 had a lot of carries on him and he's still 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.080 a good player. And when you're talking about late third round, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.040 you know, like that's that's good value for a player 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.679 like that. Trey Bentz in Florida State, Will Shipley from 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.120 Clemson is a certain type of back what he offers. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.920 So these running backs are going to be viewed very 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.600 differently scheme to scheme. But I think that third fourth 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.640 round range we're gonna see a lot of these guys 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:33.320 fly off the boarder. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.320 I've got Korm going to the Chargers already, so. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.600 That that would be fun. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.680 I'm with you as far as Day two these backs 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.719 looking really good. I think there's a couple of those 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.679 Day two backs that could really pop as far as 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.720 getting onto an NFL team, getting on the field as 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.720 a rookie and being able to contribute. There's even some 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.240 Day three guys that I really like to you. Look 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.200 at Jawar Jordan out of Louisville and he's like that 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.760 downhill guy that you can trust on a third down, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.079 you could trust to get those short yardage type opportunities. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.400 He reminds me of a Zach Moss out of the Colts. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.240 He's got that kind of downhill ability. I think he 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:03.920 was initially planned to be a Senior Bowl guy, but 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.600 he's not anymore. Carson Steel out of UCLA is kind 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.160 of another guy that I think is a little interesting, 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:09.840 but one guy that I'm really excited to see at 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.280 the Shrine Bowl this week. We'll talk about it more 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.000 in the Shrine Bowl segment is Isaiah Davis out of 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.000 South Dakota State. There's a ton of production out of there. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.960 Back to back years with over twelve hundred yards. He's big, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.720 stocky six one two twenty, has this like Melvin Gordon 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.080 kind of build. But I'm curious to see what he 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.360 can do against obviously P five competition, these P five guys. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.480 How does that kind of translate into the draft process. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:30.880 This is a big week for him, but I'm really 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.720 excited to see kind of his long strides and how 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:33.800 he's able to compare that with that. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.800 Isn't it funny how we started with broad strokes of 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.160 the NFL draft and we've all started kind of going 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.520 right back into offensive line and running back, trying to 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.120 fix the run game and trying to gain three yards 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.600 on third and two to try and move the chains. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.680 It's kind of that's where the focus has been. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:54.360 And you brought up the tackle and having Oklahoma tackle 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.840 taken in that mock draft with Tyler Guyden. In the 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.120 early parts of your mocks, you. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.560 Weren't the only one to put an offensive. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.240 Tackle to Dallas. So the draft, uh mock drafts from 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.680 Daniel Jeremiah Jeremiah and mel Kiper both going with Jordan 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.080 Morgan at the offensive tackle spot out of Arizona. I 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.680 think you had him at twenty had a pretty close 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.360 Is this kind of where we're headed? Is is it 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.000 offensive line heavy? Is that just because of where where 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.920 the draft is or is that because of where the 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.200 Cowboys are specifically. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.960 Well, it's the strength of the first round, and we 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.440 might see that run on these guys starting the teams. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.200 You know, it's if you don't have an. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.640 Offensive tackle and you need one, you better get him early, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.360 because I don't think this is a position. You look 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.080 at the second round tackles and kind of slim pickens. 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:41.760 You know, you don't not a lot of guys you 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.560 get really excited about. So if you need that tackle, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.440 you really want to come away from this draft with 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.960 an offensive tackle, you better take him in the first round. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.880 So we'll see when that run starts. Jordan Morgan's a 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:52.320 good player. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:53.360 Oh yeah. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.360 You know he's a guard on some teams boards, which 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.280 is interesting because you know he is a only played 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.400 left tackle at Arizona, right, But you know, some of 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.560 the range stuff not perfect. We saw that against Braylen 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.080 Trice the Washington Defensive Event in that matchup one on one. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.120 But he's a good player and if he would have 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.000 came out last year, he would have been somewhere in 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.520 the top sixty seventy five picks, but. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:12.960 Yeah, he's He's in that first round. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:13.240 Mix. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.160 Fuaga from Moregan State probably the best run blocking offensive 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.280 tackle in this class. He's also a guy's guard for 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.920 some teams. So love to see how the Cowboys feel 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:22.560 about these guys. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.160 A question I have for you is as far as 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.920 where you're looking for a seamless transition from Tyron Smith 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.160 to whoever. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.920 Would be his his what's the word apparent? 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.680 There you go a tack. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.200 If you're looking for a guy that has that length, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.240 has that kind of mobility and being able to move 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.000 from left tackle, is Tyler gotten that best fit for you? 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.320 I mean, you look at the length that he has 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:43.760 and being able to kind of have that punch power 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:44.000 as well. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.080 It kind of reminds you of a. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:46.800 Young Tyrant in some ways, There's no doubt. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.480 And you know, on my podcast on the Athletic Prospects 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.080 of Pros, we had Jim Naggi on yesterday and I 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.200 asked him straight up if I went into a time 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.160 machine and went to April and then came back and 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.880 I told you, Hey, Tyler Goeitton was the first player 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.920 drafted from the Senior Bowl this year. What would your 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.280 response be? And he said, I think you got it right. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.919 I think you got it exactly right. So that's what 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.080 type of you know talent this guy is just again 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.240 it's the movement skills is he just moves differently than 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.200 most guys that are six six three twenty. You just 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.639 don't see it very often. And that's a lot of 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.480 what we were saying about Terren Smith. He was coming 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.000 out so again not. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.200 A polished player per se. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.760 He didn't play left tackle lit Oklahoma, so there's a 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.959 projection there as well. But when you look at the traits, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:35.480 those are the traits you want to bet on in 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:36.040 that position. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.480 Where do you fall in these centers? As you look 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:39.199 at these centers? 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.600 Because I know Cowboy fans right now are watching this, 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.879 and if you're a fan of another team, welcome. We 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.160 talk about all your players, so you know you'll learn. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.600 But as far as Cowboy fans, you know, we were 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.199 thinking about what's going on with Tyler Biattish here and 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.359 maybe how you can improve the running game. Where do 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.040 you fall in these centers right now? 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.919 Well, I might have gone with a center to Dallas 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.359 and my first ron mock if Jackson's powers Johnson was 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:02.880 still on the board. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.119 He took him to Miami before exactly which and that 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.680 was one of my favorite I threw a pin when 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:08.160 you did it. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.720 That was one of my favorite fits in that entire fea. 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:12.280 I threw a. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:16.800 He's a really good player, and he's a young player. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.680 You know, he just heard twenty one years old, literally 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.000 like this past week. But watch when you watch his 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.000 film from this year showed me the bad date. I'm 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:27.000 still looking, can't. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:27.479 Find it anywhere. 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.479 He's he was a multi athlete growing up. You know, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.040 he's a big time baseball player, basketball, did everything. And 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.600 then at some point during high school it was like 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:37.560 all right, yeah, I'm pretty good. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:38.200 This football thing. 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.200 Goes to Oregon, played guard as a sophomore, and then 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.080 this past year's junior was outstanding at center, won their Remington. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.840 You look at the size, you like the movement skills, 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.480 you look at the strength that he plays with the technique. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.440 Some of the technique stuff still developing, but he's really 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.240 far along for a guy that's a first year starter. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.959 So first round I think is not too early for him. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.040 Him and then even you know Graham Barton from Duke, 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.720 who we expect to make that move inside the center, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.200 played there as a freshman, has that experience. Unfortunately, he 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.000 won't be at the Senior Bowl. He had labram surgery. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.199 And the injuries. 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.600 Yeah, right after Thanksgiving around there. Had had an mcl 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.960 that was working through through parts of the year. But 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:19.680 he's a really quality player that could end up in 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.119 the first round, and I think a lot of teams 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.160 will have him as a center on their draft board 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.399 by the time we get to draft weekend. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.760 But this is a pretty good center group. 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.600 Man Zach Fraser from West Virginia as a future NFL starter, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.639 He's probably somewhere in that second round. Cedric van Prant 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.919 is Okay, I'm not I'm not the biggest fan of his. 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:38.840 I think he's more probably more of a fourth. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.000 Round guy in my opinion. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.520 But even after around that same reign, you know Bo 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.840 Limmer from from Arkansas. Sure, he's a guy that I 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.840 think he deserves more love. He's in that kind of 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.760 similar tier as Cedric Van Prant. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:52.639 So this is. 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.400 It a tough group overall though, because to me, that's 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:55.880 where I. 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.440 Think, you know, you're looking at the Cowboys, you got 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.960 tough players but you know, look what's going on in 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:04.240 Detroit right now with their center and how with right 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.479 now and how they and how they play, and if 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.840 you have that tough guy in the middle. I think 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.280 these guys do have all those traits that you when 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.080 you start to talk about tought I you need you 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:15.520 need him. 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.119 Yet one there's strac one for zach Walchuk in the 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:24.080 draft process. We will keep track almost was. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.400 That you got to hit the button there he turned 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.439 it off. Somebody else make a point, you know here 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:30.200 the radio. 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:35.879 We can go straight into the We're all right. But yeah, no, 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.240 Barton was one of the nastiest alignment when I was watching, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.280 because that's what you're looking for, the physicality, the grit, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.520 the toughness. Barton stands down that way. I think he 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.200 might be one of those guys. And the medical stuff 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:46.680 with him, is that a concern. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.080 It's something that yeah, you hope as a scout you 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:52.639 you don't pay attention to that stuff as much. You 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.199 just right down, here are the injuries and then you 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.520 cross your fingers when you get the medical report back 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.320 from after the combine. Just yeah, one day you walk 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.560 into the war room. I mean, his name's taken off. 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.800 The Yeah, you're just He's exactly right. You're at the 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.159 mercy of these doctors. Sometimes you just scout the player 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:08.960 and hope for the best. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:09.800 You really really do. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:11.119 In Bart, but you're absolutely right. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.439 He's so stubborn with his hands, the tenasty plays with. 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.000 That's what everybody wants for an identity on their offensive line. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.480 So yeah, I mean you want a tough guy. Zach Frasier. 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.520 What it was against. 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.639 Baylor when he broke his leg late in the season 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:30.680 and he's literally crawling off the field fourth quarter, final 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:32.919 few minutes, so his team doesn't get a penalty for 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.359 because they ride timeouts and he was injured. 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:36.960 I mean, dude has a broken leg. 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.000 So yeah, toughness is not a worry when you talk 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.080 about the top three or four centers in this class. 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.880 So we've got plenty more to come throughout the episode 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.320 with Dan Brugler. 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Ford is the best in Texas. 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.600 All right, We've got a Senior Bowl preview, a Shrine 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.320 Bowl preview coming up in our next segment. Dame Brugler 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.520 is in the building today from the Athletic Nick Harris 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.359 Brian brought us Zach Wolchuck. I'm Kyle Jewmens. All right, 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.560 let's take a look at the Senior Bowl. You mentioned 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.560 Jim Nagy and what he's done. I mean, the roster 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.439 continues to get better and better and better as you 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:44.760 go on. And I mean, where do you feel like 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.000 the strength of this Senior Bowl roster is just based 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:49.720 off of initial viewing top to bottom. 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.320 You can certainly make the argument a tackle like we've 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:55.880 been talking about because Tyler Guitan's on the roster, Fuaga 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:57.920 or b Yu left tackle. 0:24:57.960 --> 0:24:59.400 I'm still working on saying his name. 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:00.160 Sue. 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:07.280 There you go, there, you go, exactly what it's gonna 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:07.480 be the. 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:07.960 Rest of the way. 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.560 Now, thanks, Now I'm gonna say that. 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:11.760 Maybe he'll help you. 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.280 You know, all right, if you say it on the 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.080 NFL network, you have to do. 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.440 You have to quote Brian Come on, man, ten years 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.440 of working with us here, you know it gets off 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.479 the rails. Tackle. 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:23.160 That's definitely gonna be one. 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.000 I mean, quarterbacks always drive the conversation, right, uh, Bo 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.600 Nicks and Michael Panics will both be there. That will 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.679 be a fun matchup. Box certainly has a chance to go. 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.400 Are they on the same team, Yes. 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:36.800 Which is great because see him back to back practice. 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:42.000 Maggie knows what he's doing. Yeah, Reivers, So yeah, you. 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:42.800 Know, I think it'll be. 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:46.199 It was funny when I was doing my mock, you know, 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.719 because a mock is never what I my rankings, right, 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:50.560 you know, I send. 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.720 Make your last one the best one, right, But I. 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.440 Mean I send it around to you know, my contacts 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.200 in the league, and hey, is this about the range 0:25:57.200 --> 0:25:57.520 you think. 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:58.760 He's gonna go what do you think about this? 0:25:58.840 --> 0:25:59.040 And this? 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:03.080 And with it came to bon Nicks. The wide range 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:04.520 of where he might go was crazy. 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.640 It was like some thought third round, some thought, oh, 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.200 I think he's going top twenty five. So there is 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.919 a wide range of opinions on bone Knicks. And the 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.640 Singer Bowl week will be really important, I think for him. 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:17.960 And it's kind of strange to say about a five 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.240 year starter in college football guy that has a ton 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.680 of tape, but just to see him throw live, and 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.920 especially going head to head with with Michael Pennix, it'll 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:28.280 be important for him a strong week. 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:29.919 Can I can I throw a name out who he 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.479 reminds me of? Yeah, you got Hinden Hooker. 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:34.760 Okay, interesting, Oh the. 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.120 Way he kind of can move around and the way 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.399 he can launch that thing. It just kind of was 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.639 I just had that Hinden Hooker vibe to him, with 0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.800 his ability to throw the way he throws the football, 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.800 that he's got, the kind of the measurables and the 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.280 mobility and then you know, with the arm talent and 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.880 stuff like that. I was just thinking, I mean, I mean, 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.720 sometimes like you hold the ball a little long there, 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.359 but man, he makes this kid makes a lot of places. 0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:58.480 He it's amazing. 0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.359 At Auburn, he was awful. Yeah, he was a terrible 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.120 football player at Auburn. I appreciate him when LSU played 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.040 Auburn and he was quarterback because I knew some bad 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.439 things weren to happen and then for them, you know. 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.680 And but he goes to Oregon. They work with him, 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.439 the mechanics and all that. The way he plays. I 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.720 mean you could see him working defenses and stuff, you know, 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.399 with his eyes and how he can move people around 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.520 and stuff. He has become so much of a better 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.160 thrower of the football than he was. 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:34.199 At organ reinventing yourself as a quarterback to you know, 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.120 all he knew growing up was SEC football. 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.960 Yeah he was his dad. His dad was a fine 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.240 player at Auburn. 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:41.800 As we so to go through that adversity and then 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.000 reinvent yourself at a new place, you know, you give 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.240 him a lot of credit for that. I the one 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.760 thing that kind of bothered me about him was that offense, 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:51.560 I thought, because I mean, you're right, there were some 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.520 examples where he would use his eyes and stuff, but 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.800 I think the offense it made things so simple for 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:58.920 him in terms of where to go with the football. 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.639 He had one of the quickest times to throw in 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.679 all of college football. Average depth of target that he 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.879 was throwing to was under seven yards. I mean he 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.320 was It's just boom boom, boom. Get the ball out and. 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:12.520 To that point really quick because receivers had more yack 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:13.040 than anybody. 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:14.560 Oh yeah, exactly right, and. 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.120 That boom boom boom and then try to get him 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.680 over the top with you know, that was the offense. 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.320 And hey, it worked out for him, excepting Ainst Washington, 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:22.720 but it worked out for him in the last I mean, 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.359 he had more touchdowns this year than anybody else. You 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:28.560 have fifty one total touchdowns, and he can he has 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.360 some mobility to him. That's a part of his game 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.920 as well. So he's a really interesting player. It's funny 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:34.760 I at the Hendon Hooker comp I was kind of 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:35.800 making with Michael Pennix. 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.600 Yeah, because you have the medicals there. That's a factor. 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.800 Yeah, you know, just coming from those those offenses where 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.000 you have some pretty good receivers are throwing. 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.720 To interesting arm angles. 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.440 Right older players. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.360 So yeah, I mean with Penix, just to see him throw, 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.800 I have a third round grade on him. And it's 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:58.080 funny how draft narratives work. How good he was against Texas. 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.680 Yeah, and I mean just think about think about it. 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.400 They say quinn Ewers connects on that throw to Mitchell 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.440 and Texas wins that game. Season over for Michael Pennix. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.200 But he ends on that note. 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.560 Think about how differently people would think of him based 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.760 off of then how he played against Michigan, which is 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.560 the best defense he's ever faced in his life, the 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.080 closest thing to an NFL defense he's ever faced. It's 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.440 it's just funny how dropt narratives work, because it would 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.480 be so the conversation where Michael Pennox would be so 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.160 different if they lost that game against Texas. 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.560 I know this Indiana football has not been the same 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:32.440 since he left. 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:37.680 No, Indiana had the same thing. Klen de Bor too, Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:39.840 I mean that's that's the thing about it is. 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.360 I think there is a I think there's an it 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:43.840 factor about Michael Pennock. 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:44.960 There is, I do. 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.560 I think there is something about him, the number of 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:49.480 starts he's. 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:52.200 Made, the big games he had the Michigan game. We 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:53.600 give Michigan a lot of credit. 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.760 Mentor did a great job the defensive coordiner at Michigan 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.000 making him have some different looks in that football game. 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:01.200 You're going to see that every Sunday. 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:02.920 And I know, I know, I know. 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.600 It felt like every time he would get the snap, 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:08.160 he was thinking about that rush. Yeah, he was all right, 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:08.880 where's it coming from? 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.120 I don't know the right tackle was breaking down in 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:12.760 that that that Michigan game. 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.640 I don't know how he hold front it was. It 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:16.680 was just hard for him to do. 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.680 And I'm not making excuses for the kid, but man, 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:24.040 it is those very much like you're watching, you know, 0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.000 with our kid from Ohio State that's now down at 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.840 the with the Texans Stroud Stroud and watching him play 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.160 with those pro wide receivers you know, at Ohio State 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.120 and play that Georgia game. You're watching Pennis play with 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.840 pro receivers and you're thinking, man, this is what he 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:43.160 can do with with those type of receivers those That's 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.560 that was encouraging to me. That really was encouraging me. 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.560 And I understand what you're saying about. You know, where 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:52.800 you have. These quarterbacks are so hard to evaluate. It 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.440 really is hard to value. Have been wrong on a 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:56.320 lot of courters. 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.080 Absolutely nature of the positions and some of the smartest 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:00.800 people I know in the NFL. 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.200 The Packers are wrong about quarterbacks. 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:04.960 They seem to nail it as soon as you walk 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:05.600 into that building. 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.480 It's just that did not rub off of me at 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.400 all when I was working there. So I know what, 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:11.080 I know what the problem is there. But yeah, I 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:12.200 I do. 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.280 I mean, like I said, I I don't think Pennix 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.480 is a first round quarterback. I don't, but man, I 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:18.160 the guy. 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.280 Is a winner, and he's and he's everywhere he's been 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.120 and deep ball the dB, you. 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:24.520 Can make the argument he's the best de ball throw 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:25.000 in the draft. 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.240 Really absolutely, with the way he chucks me. He's so aggressive. 0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.160 He knew he had pro receivers that he was starting to. 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:32.040 That's what I'm saying. 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.560 I mean to me, that's I'm watching these guys when 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.080 they play, these quarterbacks and the and I'm thinking, well, 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.920 this could translate because he's already playing with pro receivers, 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.160 you know, I mean, he's putting the ball. It's not 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.680 like these guys are having to work a ton, you know, 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:45.720 but that you know, But. 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:50.240 It was Rodney Jalen Polk and Jayalen McMillan is a 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.000 I love that he's a good player. 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.040 The one thing that I'm looking at, though, is if 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.280 you look at the way that quarterbacks have been overvalued 0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.240 in recent drafts, and you look at Kenny Pickett late 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.520 first round, twenty third overall when he was taken by Pittsburgh. 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:04.520 You look at Will Levis. 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:05.959 He didn't go in the first, but he was very 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.960 early in the second. If you're comparing Michael Pennix to 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.320 those two guys, which are recent prospects, I think he's. 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:13.280 Better than both of those guys. 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.480 Great interesting, and I will have them him most likely 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.760 in final grades. Of course aren't here yet, but whenever 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.960 I've got him graded out, I will most likely have 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.680 him higher than both of those guys. And so if 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.680 that's the case, then you might see a team take 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:26.560 a flyer on him. 0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.760 Late in the first The biggest myth in the draft 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.080 process is there's a consensus quarterback board somewhere that everybody's 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:32.400 working on. 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.520 Every single board, especially. 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.760 At quarterbacks, look so different team to team with what 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:42.000 they value what they're looking for. You know, like in 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.280 this perfect example, you and I to me, there's a 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.280 huge gap between Will Levis and Michael Pennox. 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.280 In my opinion, I don't. I don't. 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.120 I liked Will Levis more than I like Michael Pennox. 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.560 That's just that's my op And I think the two 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.720 playoff games with Penix was a good example. I thought, 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.880 how he played against a very vanilla Texas defense, show 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.200 what he can do. And that's an NFL quarterback right there. 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.160 Against Michigan, which is closer to what NFL defenses are 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.360 going to throw it on weekend week out, he missed 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:09.840 open reads. 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:11.480 The accuracy wasn't on point. 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:13.800 I think, you know, a lot of people watch the 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.960 Oregon games and then the playoff games of Penix, but 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.120 watch him against Arizona State and Utah and some of 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.920 these other defenses that really gave him trouble. And I 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.000 don't know, I struggle with Penix quite a bit. And 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.920 that doesn't even in factor in the medicals older guy, 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:30.880 you know, so someone. 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.000 That's gonna knock him as his age in the medicals, 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.240 those are two See. I think people go to Indy 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:37.200 yeah and completely be knocked. 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.200 But I feel like that people with the age, it 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:41.560 doesn't bother them. For this reason, I think people are 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.720 the liking the fact that these quarterbacks are making more starts. 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:46.760 You know that we've gone away. 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:48.160 From uperiend, you know, wheel to ourselves. 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:51.520 Yeah, we've gone away from the Okay, well, Mitch Trubisky 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.440 only started ten games. Now he's the third overall pick, 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.480 and you know, and then you look at Brock Perdy, 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.320 who started a million games, but he's mister irrelevant. And 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:03.120 now people are looking at experience and starts as a 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.880 positive and not as a negative. 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:07.680 You know, I felt like, oh, he was an older 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:08.200 guy and all. 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.120 You always used to hear that, but then now these 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.160 guys are you know, the guys are getting thrown into 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.080 the game so much earlier in their career. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.560 Yes, and he starts bo Nick's had in his college. 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:18.680 Girl fifty something. 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.920 I'm sure with a fifty three. 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:22.600 There you go. 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.160 Yeah, it seemed like you played LSU a lot. Again, 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:25.800 I appreciate that. 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.560 And he was forty three and eighteen over those So 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.600 even though like at Auburn, three years at Auburn weren't perfect, 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:33.839 No they were were, He's still won some game. 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:34.600 He won gauge and. 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.759 You're absolutely right about that. But let me ask you 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:40.239 this real quick. The thing with is Caleb Williams. The 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:44.360 scrutiny on the quarterback? What what? What are people going 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.960 to scrutinize the most about him? When you and if 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.160 you had to, Because I love I love Jalen Daniels 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.600 as well, my l Shues, my Jaden Daniels, my lsu Gout, 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.839 I love him, but people are going to scrutinize how 0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.239 thin he looks. Yeah, he's you know, especially with what's 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.960 happened to the poor kid at Carolina, you know, and how. 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:03.839 At least he's sixty three. 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.680 Yeah, but two five he made and he takes some 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.799 wicked hits and he hits up. He's tough and all that. 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.600 But what's going to be the scrutiny for Caleb Williams? 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:14.839 Why? 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.279 Why are people going to poke holes in him? Because 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.120 I watch his tape and I'm like thinking, Skeltic's for 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:20.960 real deal for me. 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:22.880 Yeah, and I think he'll probably end up as my 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.040 number one player in the draft. I mean, he is 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.200 the clear favorite to go number one. When you look 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.440 at the Notre Dame game, certainly that was not a 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.040 great game for him on the road against a very 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.040 good defense. If we're gonna ding Michael Pennox for how 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.160 he played against Michigan, r ding Caleb Williams, the way 0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:42.200 he played against Notre Dame, the off field stuff. 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:43.640 I don't think it's as much. 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.840 Of a factor as a lot of people want to 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.359 make it. You know, doing GQ articles and painting his 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.440 nails and just being a little bit different is not 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:54.920 like the worst thing in the world. Uh, certainly not 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:56.480 as bad as some people make it out to be. 0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.400 You know, the crying in the stands with his mom 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:00.920 like shows me the guy. 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:02.440 Cares, Yeah, like I don't. 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:06.440 I'm confused by the criticism of that one. At the 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.360 end of the day, is he going to win you 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.400 football games? That's what it's going to come down to. 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.760 And I think the the goal of picking a quarterback 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.480 in the top ten should not be defined a next 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.600 Patrick Mahomes Andrew Luck that that's not it's not realistic. 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.480 You put too much pressure on these guys to be 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.160 that guy. The expectation or the goal of drafting quarterback 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.760 in the top ten is can he be an NFL 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.360 quarterback that ranks top ten in the league. Yeah, you know, 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.440 because that's the guy that's gonna help me win a division, 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:35.200 go to the playoffs. 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.160 That's all you need. If you have a guy. 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.480 That's a top ten quarterback in the NFL, you've got 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.319 a chance, you know, because you're going to get into 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.520 the dance. And then once you do, it's game by 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.319 game by game, and anybody can win those games. So 0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:48.800 I think Kayleb Williams, I think Drake May and I 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.160 would throw Jay and Daniels in there as guys that 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.920 you can at least understand how a team will look 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.640 at them and say, yeah, he had there's a trajectory 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.440 of him becoming a top ten quarterback in league. 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.920 Is there a chance that Daniels is the second quarterback taken? 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:03.640 He could go one? 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.120 I mean, look, what would just say about these there's 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.439 no consensus, you know, all it takes is one team 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.200 to I do think the odds are low that he 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.640 would go one, a little bit higher than to go two. 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.680 But I think the odds would be he's going to 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.040 be the third quarterback drafted. But you know, we have 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.759 a brand new regime in Washington. Who knows how they 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.239 haven't hired a head coach yet. You know, it's who 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.200 knows how they're going to view that quarterback position. 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:27.080 Maybe they are. 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.680 Going for because Drake may is a really talented guy. 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.520 But down the stretch, you watched the Clemson tate the 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.920 NC State worries you a little bit. Some of the 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.000 decision making now part of it is. And you could 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:39.680 say the same thing with Caleb. He felt like he 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.600 had to put the superhero cape on and do it 0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:43.719 all himself because he just wasn't getting a ton of help. 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:48.279 But still they're young players working through their mistakes. Jane 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.359 Daniels is a five year starter. He's to your point 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:55.000 you were saying earlier about that age factor, having the experience. 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:57.600 You know what he did at Arizona State, then he 0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.239 moves to LSU. Having the same off defensive ecosystem two 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.759 years in a row, first time he's ever had that 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:05.800 two years in a row, played a big factor in 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:07.080 him blowing up like this. 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:08.600 So I'm a big believer. 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.480 They won ten games because of him. 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.600 Oh no, he was the reason why they played bad defense. 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:15.560 They were historically bad defense. 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:17.560 They won ten games because him, and if you if 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.160 you dig him for anything else, just remember that he 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.160 was the one reason why they won ten games. 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.479 I'm a big believer in when you scout players, bank 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:29.440 on explosive plays. I think those translate with Jane Daniels. 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.520 He accounted for ninety plays of twenty plus yards this year. 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.919 To put that number in perspective, Joe Burrow his hei's 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.480 been winning season, National title winning season a couple years ago. 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:42.960 He had eighty seven and he did that in fifteen games. 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:44.400 Jane Daniels had ninety and. 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:48.560 Twelve games with Jamar Chase and just yeah, to. 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.719 That point, I mean, neighbors is neighbors and Thomas are 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:51.120 pretty good. 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:53.040 He's a top five pick. 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:55.680 Neighbors Neighbors, Yeah, Brian Thomas. 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.319 I think if he ends up being a top twelve pick, yeah, 0:38:58.400 --> 0:38:59.120 surprise me at all. 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:00.640 He is that type of talent. 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:01.239 Neighbors that's rare. 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:03.960 Yeah, So you know, I do think he had plenty 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.640 of help. But the name that comes up when you 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.600 talk about Jane Daniels with teams is Lamar Jackson. Cool, 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:13.239 And it's not a apples apples comparison necessarily, But defenses 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.239 have to gain plan for you for Jane Daniels the 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.279 same way they have to gain plan for Lamar Jackson 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.200 escape because he is legit. With his leg he can 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.799 beat you from the pocket. Still, some processing things that 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:28.000 I think he's still developing at, but he advanced that 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:29.120 the advancement. 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:30.640 He made this year as a passer was really impressive. 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.200 So yeah, and there's no doubt again the offensive line 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.000 played really well this year. He had the two first 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.239 round receivers and then even the guys that went back, 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.200 those guys are getting drafted next year for eelas year receiver. 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.600 So he's he had a lot of talent around him. 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:45.439 But a credit to Jayan and Daniels for really taking 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:46.040 advantage of that. 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:47.560 I think he got him dead on right. Yep. 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:52.480 A couple of really interesting quarterback conversations already. Then we're 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.480 not even to the All Star Games, so there's gonna 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:55.640 be a lot of eyes on the guys that are 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.480 in the Senior Bowl, that are in the Shrine Bowl, 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.719 and then you get into the Combine and guys that 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.440 will throw in Indianapolis that'll go a long way as well. 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.359 Kind Of shifting to the defensive side before we take 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.240 our second break, Nick, whenever you look at this Senior 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.759 Bowl roster, are there any defensive players that we should keep. 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:12.120 Our eye on? 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:12.840 Whenever you go in. 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:14.319 Yeah, I'm really excited to see a few of them 0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:16.240 next week in Mobile. I want to start with Kenyon Mitchell. 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:17.799 I believe that's how you say his name out of 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:19.960 Toledo the corner. Really excited to see what he puts 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.319 on the field next week. He's a guy that you 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.560 see in the late first round, you see early second round. 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.200 He's a guy I'm really excited to see Ennis Rakestraw. 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:28.879 We talked about him a little bit last week. Another 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.000 Senior Bowl guy. But Cameron kinchins I think that's the 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:32.560 number one guy I'm gonna be looking forward to seeing 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:33.359 a Mobile next week. 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.320 I mean he's a hard hitter, he's aggressive. 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.080 If you're looking out of Miami, Miami, if you're looking 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:42.080 for a guy that kind of fits the Cowboys mold 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.280 of safeties of the past as far as hard hitters, 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.560 really aggressive. Might give up the big play here and there, 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.120 but he's gonna be able to make some plays in 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:49.960 the front end and be able to kind of lay 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:51.200 his hat down on some few occasions. 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.760 Cameron Kitchens is that guy we talked about just Doublon. 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:55.960 Grave By saying he gives a big play. 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.280 Yeah, watch the Cowboys, watch. 0:40:58.120 --> 0:40:59.040 The North Carolina tape. 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:00.920 I think that is a good example of the good 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.439 and the bad with him because he will. 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:04.720 Give up some plays, but he will make some plays 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:05.160 as well. 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.360 And he's a good example of juniors now being eligible 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.279 for these All Star games, and he's a guy taking 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.960 advantage of that. You know, a lot of juniors are saying, 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:15.319 you know, I put enough on tape. 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.160 I'm coming out, but I don't need an All Star game. 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.799 Kitchens got the Senior Bowl invite, and most grades on 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.400 Kitchens are right around that third round from scouts. 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:25.360 He wants to get into the second. 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.439 He wants to be a top fifty guy and going 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.799 to the Senior Bowl is a great opportunity for him 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.239 to do that. A big question will be, you know, 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.720 how fast is he run? Does he really have the 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.759 top tier athleticism to cover both sidelines? If he's going 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:39.960 to be playing a center field type of safety role 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.560 is he you know, can he play a post safety? 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.840 What kind of safety is he? What kind of athlete 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:45.080 is he? 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.640 So this week at the Senior Bowl will or next 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:49.239 week at the Senior Bowl and Mobile will be a 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:50.319 big opportunity for him. 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.000 What about the wake Forest kid? Is it Mustapia? 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:54.400 Is that he's a safety? 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:55.719 Malik Mustapia. 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.319 I had a scout tell me about him and the 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.200 words I say, they used to safety from Forest and 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.920 the guy said, he's an active, tough, physical, fun to 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:07.040 watch player. So I mean he I said, give me 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.200 a name of a guy and he is there? Day 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.200 any thought about that at all? 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:12.640 Or am I? 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:13.440 No? 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:13.560 No? 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:14.879 I think he's right now. 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:16.600 He's in the middle rounds, I think, you know, but 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:18.680 a guy that's trying to get into that top one hundred. 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.760 Yes, I asked for some under the radar kind of guys. 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.920 Yeah, he's not the I mean he's he gave me then. 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:28.000 Him Jalen Simpson from. 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.759 All the kind of like that safety linebacker hybrid side 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:32.959 Jalen Simpson. I think he could really start to jump 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.520 up whenever you look at what he can do from 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:35.800 a flex positional standpoint. 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.680 And that's a good riser because yeah, he was PFA 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.200 coming to the year and then started picking off passes 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:43.600 this year for Auburn and put himself into that draft. 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:43.759 Right. 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:45.759 Yeah, the ball skills guy. That's what they were saying 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:47.840 about this kids. Did you want to add something on 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:49.080 Kitchens at the end there. 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.719 Speaking of safeties and guys that I think probably won't 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:53.759 test well. Combine, it would be kind of interesting to 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.640 kind of see how their process goes. Javon Bullard, I 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:57.640 think that's another one out of Georgia that that's. 0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:58.080 Your guy, right. 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.399 Yeah, I just don't think he's gonna test big guy. 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.439 I don't think he's gonna test well. That's the one 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:03.880 thing that I think I will be a little bit 0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:07.239 concerning coming out of comment. I'm with you, Zach. I'm 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:08.960 with you, Zach. I think he's a good player. 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.080 We had the same talk with Winfield Junior when he 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:11.480 came out. 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.600 I don't care. I'm still win Winfield Junior. I got you. 0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.399 That's a that's a great shout out, because I that's 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.399 the question. Is he going to run and test well 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.000 enough to go in the top fifty picks? 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.320 But man, he will hit you. He will. 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.560 He's so aggressive with the way he plays the angles 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.680 that he takes, and he's smart. I mean you can 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:33.400 tell that he is, you know, really anticipating what the 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.640 offense is doing, based off of formation, based off of tendencies, 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.399 and puts himself in a position to make plays. So, yeah, 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.960 Bullard is a This safety class overall is probably don't 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.440 have a first round safety. I don't think, but you know, 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.760 how does it? Tyler Nuban from Minnesota. 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:52.319 And NUVID is I think really good, no doubt. 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.400 Big fan of Duban. I one of my favorite safeties 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.000 this year is Jadon Hicks Washington State. 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.800 That guy there you go on now now we're talking 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.400 sixty three two ten, Nah, you tell me about him, 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:02.799 let's go. 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:05.920 But yeah, he had one of Michael Pennix's then throw 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:06.760 a ton of interceptions. 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.000 No, this guy one of them. Yeah. 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.840 Watching Wisconsin tape and watch him just lay out dudes 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:13.239 over the middle, watch him cover. 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:14.160 Uh. 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:15.800 He is a lot of fun. He'll be at the 0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:16.480 Senior Bowl as well. 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.520 If you want a smart football player, Tyler Nuban is 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.960 that guy for me. I mean you see him lining up, yeah, 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:23.360 you can see. You can see him lining up in 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.719 single high instances. You see him even coming up and 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.279 lining up on the line and like third down and 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.279 short situations. He's I said it. I think last week. 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.719 I think he's the best run defending safety in this class. Yeah, 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:33.680 he's He's incredible. 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.520 How we feel about Peyton Wilson and C State. I 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.480 watched him, man and that dude you talk about intelligence 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.880 instincts all around the football medicals, I mean medical. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.719 You missed it. We had a whole Peyton Wilson mark 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:46.720 on that show. 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:48.360 Like this guy's all over the damn field. 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.040 Yeah he was four hundred tackles him. 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:52.919 Or Eikenberg from Ohio State? Which one? 0:44:53.000 --> 0:45:00.120 It comes down to the medicals? It does because he. 0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:58.520 He used to be so good at this. 0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:01.560 I think Will Slivers a little better than Iickenberg. 0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:03.239 I think, oh yeah, no doubt. I think so too. 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.280 Wilson literally has double digit surgeries. 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.520 Yeah, that's the problem. Double That's what happens when you 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.600 have four hundred tackles. Yeah, you're gonna get banged up 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:14.239 a little bit. 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:15.920 In the And the question is, Okay, I see a 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.800 guy that you know is going to be fine riders contract? 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:19.800 Is he you know? 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.160 Like that's that's He's gonna be a tough one for 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:24.560 the doctors to really figure out. But you guys, I 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:26.399 mean you're all over him. He's a really fun player. 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.520 Before we go to break the six foot trotter. 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.000 Come on, man, I see him in first srown mocks 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:34.400 and I'm like, I don't see it. 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:39.359 I think it's like a second third. I think third 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:40.960 round guy. Is it because of his height? 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:42.920 I don't think he's the type of athlete. I mean, 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:45.759 in nineteen ninety seven he's a first round pick. Yeah, 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.000 you know that's but in today's. 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.160 Quand Smith's making a lot of plays with the Ravens. 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:51.200 Let me just say that he. 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.320 Could run and he can make plays in the sideline trotter. 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.120 I just don't know if he's that type of athlete, 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.280 and I don't I don't trust him in space necessarily. 0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:58.600 Just called your gush slow. 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.800 He did call my guy, called him not blazing facts. 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:06.839 I love the drafted his dad. Yeah, and he's got 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.440 some toughness like his dad. Do you watch Yeah? 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:11.480 Yeah, Cedric Gray, North Carolina. Eve check him out? 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:13.760 No, I need that's he's taller. 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:14.400 Check out? 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:16.359 Is that dude? 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:17.359 Singer Bowl guy as well? 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.600 So that'll be fun next Well, in the top Shrine 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.240 guy this year, it might be the top linebacker drafted, 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:23.239 Edwin Cooper from. 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.080 Yeah, so let's talk about him. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.000 Let's go into our Shrine Bowl preview and we'll talk 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:32.480 about him when we come back. Enjoy excellent dining, boutique, shopping, 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.400 and exciting events in the Star District in Frisco, featuring 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.239 dozens of North Texas' best restaurants and shops, plus a 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.959 calendar calendar full of family friendly events. 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Tickets as low as twenty 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:18.600 dollars are available now at Shrinebowl dot Com. Proceeds benefit 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:22.160 Shriner's Children's Welcome Back in Dame Brugler. 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:24.000 Nick Harris, Brian brought us. 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.640 And we've got Zach Wilchuck. I'm Kyle Yeomens all right. 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.000 Shrine Bowl preview. We just talked about it. One hundred 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:33.319 and thirty of the nation's top NFL draft prospects coming 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:41.680 to Frisco. Practices get underway on Saturday for practices right, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, right, 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.320 four straight days of practice and we'll be right across 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:46.920 the hall, so we'll have an opportunity. 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:48.759 It's the way of that we know. 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:52.879 They it's not public anymore. It's so they don't really 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:53.279 tell us. 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.520 I'm sure because most everyone's coming in and I think 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:58.600 they're doing them separately anyways, Its just by position and 0:49:58.640 --> 0:49:59.680 to everybody at once. 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.200 So I think those are probably Saturday. 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.960 Then, Okay, so I actually know how big these guys are. 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:10.799 Yeah, right, official measurements. I know Fridays when interviews start. 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:12.480 So I'm excited to sit down with something. A lot 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:14.120 of these guys ask some questions. 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:18.440 That's such an invaluable part of my process, just getting 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:20.040 one on one time with these guys. So that yeah, 0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:21.160 it starts tomorrow Friday. 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:24.000 And Senior Bowl doesn't do public weigh ins either since 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.600 COVID right right, that's just done away with it. 0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:27.239 Why is it? 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.040 I'm just curious, if you know, I think. 0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:32.719 Some people believe it's kind of an antiquated way of 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.240 doing things. You know, making these guys try to cross 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:40.440 the stage in the short you know, and staying on 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:41.359 a scale. 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:46.680 And hundreds of media members. Yeah, scouts, if you're. 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.360 An evaluator, there's value in understanding of player's body type 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:54.360 and just okay, muscle definition, is there room dead muscle? 0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:54.920 Things like that. 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.319 But at the same time, we don't need to make 0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:01.200 it as much of a spectacle as we've done the Okay. 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:06.320 That's interesting Now with this group of senior or Shrine 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:11.279 Bowl participants and the juniors being able to play in 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:12.960 these all star games, do you feel like there's an 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:15.959 uptick in the roster this year compared to years past 0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.280 and the way that this Bowl Game has been represented. 0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:21.840 Yeah, I think that the juniors certainly helped that. 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:23.080 You know. 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.160 One of the keeping with the Miami theme, on the 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.200 Miami defense theme, one of the juniors that I can't 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.960 wait to see is Leonard Taylor, defensive tackle, former five 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:36.000 star guy, right, I mean, he was big time coming 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:37.080 out of high school. 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:41.120 And where to go to high school? The first he 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:42.840 is explosive off the snatch. 0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:46.279 The flashes are first round, but the body of work 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:50.200 not there, and so it's like he I will bet 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.560 He is the most interviewed player this week at the 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:56.200 Shrine bol trying to figure out why, trying to figure 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.239 out what makes him tick? Yeah, how much does he 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:01.400 love football? Is this some thing that he's you know, 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:05.360 because he has potential? Does he have that you know, intensity, 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:07.680 that fire within him that he's going to reach out potential? 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.000 I mentioned it had been in the last show about 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:10.680 Leonard Taylor. He was a guy that, like, for me, 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.399 I wanted to stay away from because I've seen these 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.520 types before, the five star, the guy who was from 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.319 the very moment he stepped on a high school field 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.400 had everything he ever needed. Yeah, stayed home, went to Miami. 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.520 And this feels like a trend with Miami guys too, 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:24.719 where they get to Miami and there're this big time 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.320 prospect and then they just kind of don't have that 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:29.239 same passion, that same fire, and whenever they get to 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:31.719 the NFL, they fizzle out really fast. So that's why 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.439 I'm like, I would much rather go in a different 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.880 direction at defensive tackle with this defensive tackle class if 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:38.080 it was a different class. Okay, yeah, I'm investing a 0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.040 little bit more time in Leonard Taylor. I agree he 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.320 has that explosive get off. He has those moments, but 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:44.920 the production, I mean, there's there's just not a lot 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:45.120 of it. 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.440 That he and and he does. When Brian watched him, 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:49.759 he'll be like he's on the ground a lot. 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.360 Yeah he is, and you're front on the ground. I 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.080 hate that. Yeah, Well, and he's a guy if you're 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:56.759 a clapper as a defensive back. Because I agree with 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:57.400 one hundred. 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:58.360 Percent of what you guys are saying. But at a 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:01.600 certain point, it's like, okay, where are we okay drafting him? 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:04.319 Because if he's still around in the late fourth round, 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:06.560 is at a point where we're like, okay, we'll take 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.360 a swing on this guy, and you know if we 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:11.480 miss right, and so at what point do we feel 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:15.000 comfortable drafting him? That's part of this fact finding mission 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.440 of these All Star games when you interview him and 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:20.239 I'm glad he's going to be here to you know, 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:21.560 kind of answer some of those questions. 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.759 Where would you feel comfortable sliding him in if you 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:26.239 had to put a grade on him early? 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:29.759 You know, if I did a three round Monck draft, 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.719 you wouldn't be in there. I think somewhere early day 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.720 three is where you start to have those conversations about Okay, 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:39.520 at some point this potential is worth us, you know, 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:40.680 throwing a Day three pick out. 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:42.960 So we're going to open our Day three broadcast and 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:44.960 we're going to talk about the names, and he's going 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:46.120 to be one of those names, isn't it. 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:47.000 Remember? 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:48.359 But you know what all it takes is one team. 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:49.560 We've seen traits guys. 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:52.120 Yeah, oh no, we have that we thought, And so 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.040 if he sneaks into the Day two I don't think 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:57.480 it'd be completely shocking based off of again those flashes 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.080 that he has. But this is where the process that 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:04.120 starts for him to prove himself and to convince teams, 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:05.200 hey I'm worth that gamble. 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:09.280 What do you know about this cornerback from the CFL Stiggers, Yeah. 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.440 This is a story I wanted to bring up. This 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:15.560 is a very very interesting one. So this kid Kwantes Stiggers, 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:19.000 he you college, right, So he played at I'll start 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:20.600 with the high school day. So he started at this 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:23.480 prep academy in Atlanta, the best academy. It's basically like 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.520 a private type ordeal. The best I could find. Couldn't 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:29.719 even really find much about this school. Played there, ended 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.600 up on an HBCU scholarship to Lane College in Tennessee 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:36.360 D two program. Was only there, I believe half a semester. 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:39.120 His father passed away, was in a car accident, so 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:40.919 he had to go back home and help support his family. 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:43.719 Work two jobs, instacart, was working door dash things like 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:45.759 that to support for his family. He's got a brother 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.560 who's a quadriplegic because of a football injury. 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:49.480 He broke his spine. 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:51.719 He's got three other siblings and a single mom now 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.520 who had lost lost her husband. So he was supporting 0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:56.480 for the family and the mom. One day signed him 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:58.719 up for a tryout for the Fan Controlled Football League 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.240 in Atlanta, and it's the seven on seven fan control 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:02.960 Football You've probably seen it in some areas. 0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:04.480 He goes there and he balls out. 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.400 Thatches the attention of the offensive coordinator for the Toronto 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.520 Argonauts in CFL. They say, hey, you know, come up 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:13.400 to Toronto. Let's try you out in this open tryout ordeal. 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:15.520 You know, see if you can maybe get a camp invite. 0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:17.880 He gets a camp invite, He goes to camp, and 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:22.600 the staffers at Toronto said, by day two he was 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:24.320 separating himself from the rookies. 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:24.960 Yeah, we're there. 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:25.279 Wow. 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:28.200 Ended up starting as a corner on the Toronto Argonauts 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.600 in the CFL, so made the team, goes up there 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:33.319 and then wins the CFL Rookie of the Year five interceptions, 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:35.040 fifty six tackles this past season. 0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:37.560 Really fun story. He's going to be at the Shrine 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:38.120 Bowl this week. 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:40.200 The NFL sent out a memo a couple of weeks 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.760 ago about him, saying that he's eligible to be drafted. 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.239 About half of the gms have already reached out to 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:47.839 his representation about him, and he'll have a pro dain 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:50.080 in Atlanta around the same time as Georgia and Georgia Tech. 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:51.600 That's going to be really big for him because there's 0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.120 just so many unknowns because he didn't play college football. 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.080 But he wins the Rookie of the Year in the 0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.600 CFL and he's able to pick up all these different 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.760 type of concepts so fast. Denver is probably the program 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:04.320 I'm looking at for him. I say program franchise and 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:05.920 I'm looking at for him. There's a lot of Broncos 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.120 connections with the Argonauts and GM has already kind of 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:10.200 reached out there. So Denver's probably the one you want 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.319 to look at. If he goes undrafted. But I think 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:13.839 this is a guy that can get drafted. I think 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:15.600 sixth seventh round. This is a guy you look at. 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:17.560 He has a big week this week at shrinebol that 0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:18.160 could even rise. 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:22.600 I watched him play Hamilton Tiger Cats. Yeah, the Hamilton 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:24.640 Tiger Cats. My man had an interception the game, but 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.719 one handed interception this game. Uh, he could play left 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:30.680 or right corner. He's got ball skills. I mentioned the interception. 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:31.160 Uh. 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.560 He plays a lot of own in the CFL, so 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.279 you see him play kind of sideways. But he's a 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.000 he's a stocky guy and he and he's not afraid 0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:40.600 to tackle. I mean there were a couple of times 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:43.160 where ball the the you know, the receiver caught the 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.759 ball from and he's driving on the ball. He does 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.440 have quickness and when they break inside on him, he 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:52.040 can chase and trail. I had two scouts tell me 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.279 because I was saying, give me some they said, watch 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:59.359 his kid from the CFL. So NFL teams are already there, 0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:03.640 pro depart. It's probably seen this kid play, but he does. 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:07.319 He's compact. He did lose his man in this game 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.360 that on one they gave up a touchdown late in 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.400 the game. He kind of lost it in that end 0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:13.400 zone here. It's a huge end zone they play in, 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.920 by the way, Yeah, but they lost the guy. 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.680 But other than that, everything about the movement, the way 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:20.800 he ad just the way he stays with this guy, 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.280 the way he drives tackles, there's a lot there was 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.200 a lot of things that you just kind of going, oh, okay, 0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:29.200 I could see why people are talking about this kid. 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:32.400 But again, I had two NFL guys say, hey, you 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.160 need to check this CFL kid out, you know, And 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.480 I'm like, that's why I asked, And I'm glad, you're 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:38.320 glad you knew the story. 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:40.880 The corners coach for the Broncos, they asked him he 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:43.320 played in the NFL for quite a bit, or corners 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.360 coach for the Argonauts, he played for the Broncos quite 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:47.040 a bit, and he said, this is a third fourth 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:49.080 round guy for Yeah, but he's like, obviously there's gonna 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:50.440 be a lot of questions and he's gonna have to 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:52.560 fulfill a lot of things in the draft process, so 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:54.160 it's probably a Day three type or deal. 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:56.360 But I mean, his Argonauts corners coach was giving him 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:56.520 a co. 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:58.240 Sign I'll be interested to see how he plays in 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.439 the one on ones and stuff, because again, you watch 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.920 the CFL stuff, he's literally playing sideways. They're playing a 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:05.920 lot of zone and their funnel and everything into the 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:07.120 middle of the field if they can. 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:08.400 He's picking up those concept. 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:09.160 Yeah, exactly. 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:10.000 Yea fascinating. 0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:10.960 You're right, you could. 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.600 You could go back and watch the YouTube grainy of 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.200 him playing seven on seven. 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:18.040 Football with that that that league left. 0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:20.640 Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, 0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:22.720 this guy played at Toronto. I get some Toronto tape. 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:23.240 Let go. 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:24.120 Yeah, that kind of thing. 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:27.360 It's it's a rare situation to see a guy that's 0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:29.720 already played pro football in an All Star game like this. 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:33.080 But because he didn't play college, he is eligible for 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.160 the draft. And Eric Galco, who uh the director of 0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:38.720 the Shrine Bowl, called me a few weeks ago and said, hey, 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:40.920 get this guy in your radar because because. 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:41.880 I idn't really didn't know about him. 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:42.320 Yeah I don't. 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:44.920 I don't scout the CFL. That's not usually something I've 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:46.479 had to worry about when it comes to the draft. 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.439 But this guy is eligible, and yeah, he's he's a player, 0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:50.240 so he's got a shot. 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:53.760 That's awesome. I've never been so close to dropping an 0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:56.840 S bomb on here, like than saying holy blank because 0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:57.400 of that story. 0:58:57.480 --> 0:58:58.920 I mean, that's an incredible story. 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.920 Oh yeah, And I mean it's only fitting that Dame 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.120 Bruglu is here and we're talking about day three corners 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:05.600 here before all. 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:09.040 Star Games even get going. Uh, but that's that's outstanding. 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:12.000 Is he gonna wear a Saskatchewan or not a Saskatchewan 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:13.800 a Tornado helmet for. 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:18.360 The on the roster of Toronto argonaze YEA, so cool. 0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.240 That's badass. That is awesome. It's a weird number. Forty 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:23.760 two is what he wore during the during the season 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:25.880 fighting Barry Churches, Anthony Henry. 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:26.600 There you go. 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:28.880 All right. We could do this for a whole hour, 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:32.120 another hour. We could do it all day long. Actually 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:33.160 could do it all day Yeah. 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.600 Yeah, you guys want to just keep going rolling. 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:37.480 We gotta we got it. We got a radio gig. 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:39.160 We gotta go down, y'all, gotta get on the road. 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:39.560 Dane. 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.080 It's been so fun catching up with you. 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.760 Thank you so much. This is my pleasure. This is 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.320 it feels like I never left right Yeah, So anytime. 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:51.680 Mission man, You haven't you've been on every year anytime. 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.160 Yeah, I take advantage of that opportunity and make sure 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:55.640 you show. 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.280 Up at the combine for these guys and that you know, 0:59:57.320 --> 0:59:58.760 if you have the combine stuff. 0:59:58.560 --> 0:59:59.760 And I'll be there for over a week. 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:00.640 Yeah, there we go. 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:04.280 That'll be fun. But we've got Shrine Bowl, Senior Bowl, 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:06.840 and then of course getting into the Combine stuff coming up, 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:09.720 so we'll be in touch. We'll definitely hit you up 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:11.560 on the phone line if we need to down the line. 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.400 But Dan, if you haven't already subscribed to Dan on 1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:18.120 the Athletic, go and follow subscribe. It is worth your time. 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:19.960 And the Beast isn't even here yet, and it's still 1:00:19.960 --> 1:00:21.840 worth your time to see all the mock drafts and 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:23.600 the articles coming out. You can keep up with the 1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:25.880 draft blog on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Nick Harris and 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:28.120 I started that this week, so if you want some 1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:30.960 running draft content for the Dallas Cowboys, that's a new 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:32.400 thing you can check out too if you're a fan 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.600 of the Draft Show. But that'll do it for us 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:37.000 here this week. We'll come back on Tuesday. We'll have 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:39.439 some Shrine Bowl practices to talk about. 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:41.600 Nick Harris will be out in mobile. 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