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Speaker 3: Today is Thursday, January twenty fifth, and we are ninety
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Speaker 3: in Frisco, we have Nick Harris, Brian brought us, Zach Waltschuk.
Speaker 2: And filling in.
Speaker 3: Today we have a very very special guest from the
Speaker 3: Athletic the one the only, Dane Brugler joins us prior
Speaker 3: to Shrine Bowl in town.
Speaker 2: What's up Dane?
Speaker 4: Hey, how are you guys? This feels right, you know,
Speaker 4: it feels so good be back.
Speaker 5: I mean Frisco and the Cowboys they hold such a
Speaker 5: close place to my heart. After I graduated college, came
Speaker 5: down here, lived here for ten years. Any chance I
Speaker 5: have to come back, I'm here. And so when the
Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl announced they're moving to Frisco, yeah, fist pump,
Speaker 5: it's going to get to go to Frisco now on
Speaker 5: my scouting tour through the draft process. So this is
Speaker 5: gonna be a lot of fun. I'm excited you guys,
Speaker 5: welcome me back.
Speaker 2: You've got a little twinkle in your eye.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the new studio lights or
Speaker 3: what it actually ends up being, but it does.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different in the last time you
Speaker 2: made it in here.
Speaker 3: And we've always said, as I knocked your laptop over,
Speaker 3: we've always said that the invitation's open, and we mean it.
Speaker 3: Anytime Danes in town, we're gonna make it happen. And
Speaker 3: this is the beginning of a very busy, busy couple
Speaker 3: of months for you, right, Oh, no doubt.
Speaker 4: I mean for all of us. Really, this the All
Speaker 4: Star season is. We're in the midst of it.
Speaker 5: You know, we've had the Hula Bowl, We've had College
Speaker 5: grid Ironer Showcase with down the road in Fort Worth.
Speaker 4: Starting this weekend is the Shrine Game.
Speaker 5: The Shrine Bowl, you know, one of the oldest All
Speaker 5: Star game, and it's been It was in I mean
Speaker 5: how many places.
Speaker 4: It was in Tampa for a while, yeah, with the Vegas.
Speaker 6: I remember when it was in Palo Alto forever out
Speaker 6: in California. That's one of my first experience of going
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety two. But you're absolutely right story historically, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've played in this game. Yeah, even recently. I
Speaker 5: mean Brock Purty played in this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You look at some of the quarterbacks that were starting
Speaker 5: in the NFL this year as rookies, Aidan O'Connell with
Speaker 5: the Raiders or Dorian Thompson Robinson with the Browns, he
Speaker 5: was in this game.
Speaker 4: So there will be plenty of talent.
Speaker 5: Here this week for us to get our eyes on
Speaker 5: and figure out, figure them out before we get through
Speaker 5: the Combine Pro Days workouts.
Speaker 4: So it's a it's a good first step.
Speaker 3: Well, we're certainly glad you're here in getting a chance
Speaker 3: to catch up with you in studio.
Speaker 7: Brian.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's one of the OG's, he's he's the
Speaker 2: he's one of the founders.
Speaker 6: When Ed Cahill had had the idea about it, Derek Eagleton,
Speaker 6: you know, we all talked about it, and then Dane
Speaker 6: was really getting started in his journey involved and you
Speaker 6: know he just came off as this like man, this
Speaker 6: guy works hard at it, he's got an opinion. It
Speaker 6: was perfect for what we were trying to do to
Speaker 6: launch the Draft show. And uh, I'll always be indebted
Speaker 6: to to Dane for all the years of service. We
Speaker 6: were laughing earlier in this little pre show talk about
Speaker 6: how he used to sell the Beast that that now
Speaker 6: it's one of these things that NFL executives have on
Speaker 6: their desks, the Draft Bible.
Speaker 2: It's really is the Draft Bible.
Speaker 6: And and and I just remember that the what Dane
Speaker 6: went through to get that out and just to and
Speaker 6: we were promoting it on our you know, some of
Speaker 6: the early draft shows and people then it became like
Speaker 6: you couldn't have a draft without it, you know.
Speaker 2: And and I just was so proud of what he's done.
Speaker 6: Uh, where he's, where this journey has taken him, and
Speaker 6: the respect around the league and around the world for
Speaker 6: his ability to evaluate this these players, and uh, it's
Speaker 6: it's it's it's a sense of pride that I know
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys dot Com had a big part of his
Speaker 6: career going forward.
Speaker 2: No doubt, and we always cheer for Dane.
Speaker 3: He's also I joked about this, but I'm completely serious
Speaker 3: about it. The only reason I have a subscription to
Speaker 3: the Athletic is to make sure that I've got to
Speaker 3: get that yeah to the beast whenever it comes to
Speaker 3: draft time. And I do a show Monday through Friday
Speaker 3: with John Machoda of The Athletic and Dame's the reason
Speaker 3: why I have the Athletic subscription.
Speaker 8: But shot, John, Josh.
Speaker 3: I read your articles too, don't worry, but uh really
Speaker 3: is good to have you. But let's not just sit
Speaker 3: here and patch shake around. We got to talk some
Speaker 3: draft now. I want to talk about the We're going
Speaker 3: to preview the Senior Bowl coming up in the next segment,
Speaker 3: and then the Shrine Bowl and the third segment, but
Speaker 3: just to get us started, your thoughts on where the
Speaker 3: depth of this draft is, because that's really where Cowboys
Speaker 3: fans are looking right now. They're looking for these different
Speaker 3: positions of need. They're looking for best player available. But
Speaker 3: we got to look at it from a broad stroke
Speaker 3: standpoint early on. Where do you look if you're trying
Speaker 3: to find some depth.
Speaker 5: I think at most years, I'm more excited about Day
Speaker 5: two than I am in the first round. But this
Speaker 5: year it's kind of the opposite. I love the first
Speaker 5: round this year. I think this could be like a
Speaker 5: eleven NFL draft when we literally half the picks in
Speaker 5: at two has an eleven NFL draft.
Speaker 4: We're Pro bowlers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we.
Speaker 4: Could have a first round like that this year.
Speaker 5: There are a ton of Blue Chippers, high end talent,
Speaker 5: So I'm really excited for the first round. I'm also
Speaker 5: excited for the depth because I do think we have
Speaker 5: that as well. We're not sacrificing one for the other.
Speaker 5: Like everything, it's one. You know, you look at position
Speaker 5: by position. Some positions are more or deeper than others.
Speaker 5: I'm convinced wide receiver is going to be deep.
Speaker 4: Of our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everybody.
Speaker 5: You know, the top tier athletes in high school and
Speaker 5: coming up, they want the ball in their hands, right,
Speaker 5: and we see that seven on seven, we see that
Speaker 5: college and so I'm convinced wide receiver depth is going
Speaker 5: to be strong, you know forever after that. You know,
Speaker 5: this is a quarterback heavy draft. We know that offensive
Speaker 5: line I think is really strong. This is an offensive
Speaker 5: tackle first round. Yeah, and this is what we expected.
Speaker 5: We going back to my top fifty that I did
Speaker 5: in August before the season started, offensive tackle was the
Speaker 5: most well represented position in that top fifty.
Speaker 4: I think there were not eight or nine in that
Speaker 4: initial top fifty.
Speaker 5: That's kind of how it's played out with the amount
Speaker 5: of tackles that we could see going in the first round.
Speaker 4: So I do think there's a drop off at the position.
Speaker 5: But if you're looking for a tackle, if you're looking
Speaker 5: for offensive line, somewhere in the top fifty sixty picks,
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a guy for you, Dane.
Speaker 6: When we're all going to like stack our boards at
Speaker 6: the end of this, so we're going to come up
Speaker 6: with You know, we always get the questions asked to us,
Speaker 6: how many first round grades you have.
Speaker 2: I know we've got all star games.
Speaker 6: I know we've got combined, I know we got medicals
Speaker 6: that we've got to deal with too, because there's some
Speaker 6: guys that have some medical questions. But in your mind,
Speaker 6: you have as you've done some of your early studies,
Speaker 6: and i'd say early, you've been doing this since May.
Speaker 2: But do you have a.
Speaker 6: Number where you think you're first round cut off is
Speaker 6: gonna be? Is the is it a twenty two, a
Speaker 6: twenty three, is it a nineteen? You have an idea
Speaker 6: where that number is on your cutoff.
Speaker 4: It's probably gonna be around twenty five for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this thing's gonna go pretty deep. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I think this is a first round
Speaker 5: where you in some years you don't really want a
Speaker 5: top ten pick because right you know you're you're not
Speaker 5: getting a Blue Chipper necessarily. This year, I think you are. Plus,
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna stretch there you go where the
Speaker 5: Cowboys around that range of the Cowboys were picking. So
Speaker 5: it'll be interesting as we go through the process if
Speaker 5: that changes it at all. Some of these guys do
Speaker 5: have medical histories that we need to figure out, you know,
Speaker 5: lead to a lot to UCLA.
Speaker 4: That's that's a big one.
Speaker 5: You know, all these guys have something that it could
Speaker 5: change how we feel about them throughout the process. But
Speaker 5: like I said, I think this is going to be
Speaker 5: a stacked first round and that's good news for the
Speaker 5: Cowboys with where they're going to be picking.
Speaker 6: In your in your two round mock draft that you
Speaker 6: did just here recently, you gave them Tyler Geiiton from Oklahoma,
Speaker 6: the offensive tackle. I think the premise that you had
Speaker 6: of the offensive tackle with the Tyron Smith is something
Speaker 6: we talk about on our various shows, and I know
Speaker 6: Zach and I talk about on the radio all the time.
Speaker 6: Was there was guiding the guy all the way there
Speaker 6: for you? Or did you have another tackle that you
Speaker 6: were kind of thinking because I feel like that we're
Speaker 6: all kind of you know, we've all got our tackles
Speaker 6: that we like. Yeah, but is there something with Is
Speaker 6: it just that Guidon sits that much, just a little
Speaker 6: bit higher on your board than maybe some of the
Speaker 6: other tackles that you were looking at, or was that
Speaker 6: Guiton just all the way that was going to be
Speaker 6: your guy?
Speaker 5: I think the draft process is going to help us
Speaker 5: figure out what those stacks, how the stack's gonna look,
Speaker 5: because these guys are all I think, pretty close together
Speaker 5: and there's no consensus. I think a lot for me
Speaker 5: Joe Walton, Notre Dames of top Tackle, oldlu Fashon, New
Speaker 5: Penn stays number two, and then I think you have
Speaker 5: a lot of guys in that same next tier and
Speaker 5: so breaking them up between Amarus Amaryu's mems is one
Speaker 5: of the freakiest dudes I've ever watched playoffensive tackle before
Speaker 5: because eight starts and how do you teams are going
Speaker 5: to be referencing his first ever start against Ohio State
Speaker 5: last year in the playoffs semi finals, as look what.
Speaker 4: He did in this game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know when you're referencing that game, which
Speaker 5: is gonna be it.
Speaker 4: Was over a year ago.
Speaker 5: Like that kind of tells you how little football he's played.
Speaker 5: But the length that he plays, with the movement skills,
Speaker 5: it's it's on real. So but Geiden kind of.
Speaker 4: Along those same lines. He's a freaky guy.
Speaker 5: Yes, you he's not the most polished, but you see
Speaker 5: him move out there and you get excited. And he
Speaker 5: was a right tackle at Oklahoma. You know it wasn't
Speaker 5: He doesn't have perfect tape by any means. He's not
Speaker 5: the most polished player, but that's why you might be
Speaker 5: able to get him where you get him. So this
Speaker 5: is offensive tackle class that I think there's gonna be
Speaker 5: a lot of guys ranked pretty closely and every team
Speaker 5: depending on what scheme you run.
Speaker 4: If you're looking for more of.
Speaker 5: A run block and more of a pass protector, you're
Speaker 5: gonna rank them maybe a little bit different.
Speaker 6: I think I thought your reasoning was excellent though. Why
Speaker 6: you put the player there, Well, sometimes sometimes you look
Speaker 6: at you go, he's just a n s he Sometimes
Speaker 6: you get mock drafters that are forcing players in positions
Speaker 6: because they have to get him off their you know,
Speaker 6: they have to get him off the list. I go,
Speaker 6: you know, I don't want to miss not having this
Speaker 6: guy on, you know, and you feel like you put
Speaker 6: him too deep in the draft.
Speaker 9: Well, I thought it was the same thing with Jonathan
Speaker 9: Brooks in the second round. And we've talked a lot
Speaker 9: about the running back class and last year it was
Speaker 9: deep and I was very surprised that the Cowboys waited
Speaker 9: until the sixth round to take duce Vaughn. This year
Speaker 9: with Jonathan Brooks, I think the only hesitation is the
Speaker 9: injury right with the ACL Otherwise he's probably the top
Speaker 9: back in this class.
Speaker 2: But I wonder how you look.
Speaker 9: At the depth if the Cowboys waited, and they probably
Speaker 9: would need to pick up some extra picks. Maybe the
Speaker 9: compis help with that. But guys like Jalen Wright from
Speaker 9: Tennessee I think has really kind of caught my I.
Speaker 9: Ray Davis is a fantastic story out of Kentucky. Schrader
Speaker 9: is a player that we've talked about from a Zoo.
Speaker 9: Also a fantastic story. D two to first team All
Speaker 9: SEC I mean, and a tough runner. But that's definitely
Speaker 9: a position area where I think the Cowboys are going
Speaker 9: to have to be looking at because we don't know
Speaker 9: about the future of that position.
Speaker 5: There might not be a running back drafted top fifty
Speaker 5: this year, and that'd be only the second time ever
Speaker 5: in the history of the league that we didn't have
Speaker 5: a running back drafted that high. So but once get
Speaker 5: where the Cowboys are picking in the second round, third round,
Speaker 5: fourth round, I think that's pretty good area for where
Speaker 5: these running backs that come off the board. And this
Speaker 5: is another position where there's no consensus running back one.
Speaker 5: Brooks still has a shot to be that first running
Speaker 5: back drafted. We'll see how you know, the a cl
Speaker 5: rehab goes the combine well, obviously big for him in
Speaker 5: terms of the medicals. He'll be here actually at the
Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl, not working out, Uh. Same thing with Jatavian Sanders,
Speaker 5: the tight end from Texas.
Speaker 4: He'll be here. Jordan Travis, the Florida State quarterback. Same thing.
Speaker 5: But yeah's audrec estimate is from Notre Dame Braylan Allen
Speaker 5: from Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: All these guys offer something a little bit different.
Speaker 5: Bucky Irving from Oregon's a different type of back Jalen Right,
Speaker 5: who you mentioned he might be one of the fastest
Speaker 5: players in this explosive Yeah, I mean he was a
Speaker 5: one hundred meter state champ being back in high school
Speaker 5: in North Carolina. So he reminds me a lot of
Speaker 5: Droom forward with the Browns, who He's got contact, balance,
Speaker 5: he's got speed, some other things, you know, some of
Speaker 5: the pacing, the tempo you have to worry about a
Speaker 5: little bit that's still developing. But he's also one of
Speaker 5: the youngest players in this trap, so he's you think
Speaker 5: about the upside with him, and yeah, he's gonna be
Speaker 5: right there in that mix that third, fourth round.
Speaker 6: Is it going to be a run? Is it going
Speaker 6: to be a run? Do you feel like in that
Speaker 6: I mean, is it going to be Sometimes we see
Speaker 6: the run with those corners where all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, Dane looks up, goes okay, here we go,
Speaker 6: you know, and it's.
Speaker 2: Bam bam, bam bam.
Speaker 8: They tight last year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they start hitting all these guys and we're all
Speaker 6: and we're going into it thinking there's going to be
Speaker 6: a run. If there's not one in the top fifty,
Speaker 6: could there be that run? That you have to You
Speaker 6: have to know when it's going to start and be
Speaker 6: in the middle of it if you want one of
Speaker 6: these guys that.
Speaker 5: Might have happened to the Cowboys last year with the
Speaker 5: run we saw in the third tyjer Spears comes off,
Speaker 5: Kendrey Miller comes off the.
Speaker 3: Board, Charbona Right, So this this Drenth.
Speaker 5: Is similar to last year, except there's no Gibbs or
Speaker 5: Bijon at the top, right. But in terms of that
Speaker 5: third round range, we're gonna see a lot of these
Speaker 5: guys come off the board. And yeah, I wouldn't be
Speaker 5: surprised at allf we see you know, Blake Koram from Michigan,
Speaker 5: who I think is gonna run great. He's got he's
Speaker 5: had a lot of carries on him and he's still
Speaker 5: a good player. And when you're talking about late third round,
Speaker 5: you know, like that's that's good value for a player
Speaker 5: like that. Trey Bentz in Florida State, Will Shipley from
Speaker 5: Clemson is a certain type of back what he offers.
Speaker 5: So these running backs are going to be viewed very
Speaker 5: differently scheme to scheme. But I think that third fourth
Speaker 5: round range we're gonna see a lot of these guys
Speaker 5: fly off the boarder.
Speaker 2: I've got Korm going to the Chargers already, so.
Speaker 8: That that would be fun.
Speaker 10: I'm with you as far as Day two these backs
Speaker 10: looking really good. I think there's a couple of those
Speaker 10: Day two backs that could really pop as far as
Speaker 10: getting onto an NFL team, getting on the field as
Speaker 10: a rookie and being able to contribute. There's even some
Speaker 10: Day three guys that I really like to you. Look
Speaker 10: at Jawar Jordan out of Louisville and he's like that
Speaker 10: downhill guy that you can trust on a third down,
Speaker 10: you could trust to get those short yardage type opportunities.
Speaker 10: He reminds me of a Zach Moss out of the Colts.
Speaker 10: He's got that kind of downhill ability. I think he
Speaker 10: was initially planned to be a Senior Bowl guy, but
Speaker 10: he's not anymore. Carson Steel out of UCLA is kind
Speaker 10: of another guy that I think is a little interesting,
Speaker 10: but one guy that I'm really excited to see at
Speaker 10: the Shrine Bowl this week. We'll talk about it more
Speaker 10: in the Shrine Bowl segment is Isaiah Davis out of
Speaker 10: South Dakota State. There's a ton of production out of there.
Speaker 10: Back to back years with over twelve hundred yards. He's big,
Speaker 10: stocky six one two twenty, has this like Melvin Gordon
Speaker 10: kind of build. But I'm curious to see what he
Speaker 10: can do against obviously P five competition, these P five guys.
Speaker 10: How does that kind of translate into the draft process.
Speaker 10: This is a big week for him, but I'm really
Speaker 10: excited to see kind of his long strides and how
Speaker 10: he's able to compare that with that.
Speaker 3: Isn't it funny how we started with broad strokes of
Speaker 3: the NFL draft and we've all started kind of going
Speaker 3: right back into offensive line and running back, trying to
Speaker 3: fix the run game and trying to gain three yards
Speaker 3: on third and two to try and move the chains.
Speaker 2: It's kind of that's where the focus has been.
Speaker 3: And you brought up the tackle and having Oklahoma tackle
Speaker 3: taken in that mock draft with Tyler Guyden. In the
Speaker 3: early parts of your mocks, you.
Speaker 2: Weren't the only one to put an offensive.
Speaker 3: Tackle to Dallas. So the draft, uh mock drafts from
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah Jeremiah and mel Kiper both going with Jordan
Speaker 3: Morgan at the offensive tackle spot out of Arizona. I
Speaker 3: think you had him at twenty had a pretty close
Speaker 3: Is this kind of where we're headed? Is is it
Speaker 3: offensive line heavy? Is that just because of where where
Speaker 3: the draft is or is that because of where the
Speaker 3: Cowboys are specifically.
Speaker 5: Well, it's the strength of the first round, and we
Speaker 5: might see that run on these guys starting the teams.
Speaker 4: You know, it's if you don't have an.
Speaker 5: Offensive tackle and you need one, you better get him early,
Speaker 5: because I don't think this is a position. You look
Speaker 5: at the second round tackles and kind of slim pickens.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't not a lot of guys you
Speaker 5: get really excited about. So if you need that tackle,
Speaker 5: you really want to come away from this draft with
Speaker 5: an offensive tackle, you better take him in the first round.
Speaker 4: So we'll see when that run starts. Jordan Morgan's a
Speaker 4: good player.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: You know he's a guard on some teams boards, which
Speaker 5: is interesting because you know he is a only played
Speaker 5: left tackle at Arizona, right, But you know, some of
Speaker 5: the range stuff not perfect. We saw that against Braylen
Speaker 5: Trice the Washington Defensive Event in that matchup one on one.
Speaker 5: But he's a good player and if he would have
Speaker 5: came out last year, he would have been somewhere in
Speaker 5: the top sixty seventy five picks, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's He's in that first round.
Speaker 7: Mix.
Speaker 5: Fuaga from Moregan State probably the best run blocking offensive
Speaker 5: tackle in this class. He's also a guy's guard for
Speaker 5: some teams. So love to see how the Cowboys feel
Speaker 5: about these guys.
Speaker 10: A question I have for you is as far as
Speaker 10: where you're looking for a seamless transition from Tyron Smith
Speaker 10: to whoever.
Speaker 3: Would be his his what's the word apparent?
Speaker 8: There you go a tack.
Speaker 10: If you're looking for a guy that has that length,
Speaker 10: has that kind of mobility and being able to move
Speaker 10: from left tackle, is Tyler gotten that best fit for you?
Speaker 10: I mean, you look at the length that he has
Speaker 10: and being able to kind of have that punch power
Speaker 10: as well.
Speaker 8: It kind of reminds you of a.
Speaker 4: Young Tyrant in some ways, There's no doubt.
Speaker 5: And you know, on my podcast on the Athletic Prospects
Speaker 5: of Pros, we had Jim Naggi on yesterday and I
Speaker 5: asked him straight up if I went into a time
Speaker 5: machine and went to April and then came back and
Speaker 5: I told you, Hey, Tyler Goeitton was the first player
Speaker 5: drafted from the Senior Bowl this year. What would your
Speaker 5: response be? And he said, I think you got it right.
Speaker 5: I think you got it exactly right. So that's what
Speaker 5: type of you know talent this guy is just again
Speaker 5: it's the movement skills is he just moves differently than
Speaker 5: most guys that are six six three twenty. You just
Speaker 5: don't see it very often. And that's a lot of
Speaker 5: what we were saying about Terren Smith. He was coming
Speaker 5: out so again not.
Speaker 4: A polished player per se.
Speaker 5: He didn't play left tackle lit Oklahoma, so there's a
Speaker 5: projection there as well. But when you look at the traits,
Speaker 5: those are the traits you want to bet on in
Speaker 5: that position.
Speaker 2: Where do you fall in these centers? As you look
Speaker 2: at these centers?
Speaker 6: Because I know Cowboy fans right now are watching this,
Speaker 6: and if you're a fan of another team, welcome. We
Speaker 6: talk about all your players, so you know you'll learn.
Speaker 6: But as far as Cowboy fans, you know, we were
Speaker 6: thinking about what's going on with Tyler Biattish here and
Speaker 6: maybe how you can improve the running game. Where do
Speaker 6: you fall in these centers right now?
Speaker 5: Well, I might have gone with a center to Dallas
Speaker 5: and my first ron mock if Jackson's powers Johnson was
Speaker 5: still on the board.
Speaker 2: He took him to Miami before exactly which and that
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite I threw a pin when
Speaker 2: you did it.
Speaker 4: That was one of my favorite fits in that entire fea.
Speaker 2: I threw a.
Speaker 5: He's a really good player, and he's a young player.
Speaker 5: You know, he just heard twenty one years old, literally
Speaker 5: like this past week. But watch when you watch his
Speaker 5: film from this year showed me the bad date. I'm
Speaker 5: still looking, can't.
Speaker 11: Find it anywhere.
Speaker 5: He's he was a multi athlete growing up. You know,
Speaker 5: he's a big time baseball player, basketball, did everything. And
Speaker 5: then at some point during high school it was like
Speaker 5: all right, yeah, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 4: This football thing.
Speaker 5: Goes to Oregon, played guard as a sophomore, and then
Speaker 5: this past year's junior was outstanding at center, won their Remington.
Speaker 5: You look at the size, you like the movement skills,
Speaker 5: you look at the strength that he plays with the technique.
Speaker 5: Some of the technique stuff still developing, but he's really
Speaker 5: far along for a guy that's a first year starter.
Speaker 5: So first round I think is not too early for him.
Speaker 5: Him and then even you know Graham Barton from Duke,
Speaker 5: who we expect to make that move inside the center,
Speaker 5: played there as a freshman, has that experience. Unfortunately, he
Speaker 5: won't be at the Senior Bowl. He had labram surgery.
Speaker 2: And the injuries.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right after Thanksgiving around there. Had had an mcl
Speaker 5: that was working through through parts of the year. But
Speaker 5: he's a really quality player that could end up in
Speaker 5: the first round, and I think a lot of teams
Speaker 5: will have him as a center on their draft board
Speaker 5: by the time we get to draft weekend.
Speaker 4: But this is a pretty good center group.
Speaker 5: Man Zach Fraser from West Virginia as a future NFL starter,
Speaker 5: He's probably somewhere in that second round. Cedric van Prant
Speaker 5: is Okay, I'm not I'm not the biggest fan of his.
Speaker 5: I think he's more probably more of a fourth.
Speaker 4: Round guy in my opinion.
Speaker 5: But even after around that same reign, you know Bo
Speaker 5: Limmer from from Arkansas. Sure, he's a guy that I
Speaker 5: think he deserves more love. He's in that kind of
Speaker 5: similar tier as Cedric Van Prant.
Speaker 4: So this is.
Speaker 2: It a tough group overall though, because to me, that's
Speaker 2: where I.
Speaker 6: Think, you know, you're looking at the Cowboys, you got
Speaker 6: tough players but you know, look what's going on in
Speaker 6: Detroit right now with their center and how with right
Speaker 6: now and how they and how they play, and if
Speaker 6: you have that tough guy in the middle. I think
Speaker 6: these guys do have all those traits that you when
Speaker 6: you start to talk about tought I you need you
Speaker 6: need him.
Speaker 3: Yet one there's strac one for zach Walchuk in the
Speaker 3: draft process. We will keep track almost was.
Speaker 6: That you got to hit the button there he turned
Speaker 6: it off. Somebody else make a point, you know here
Speaker 6: the radio.
Speaker 9: We can go straight into the We're all right. But yeah, no,
Speaker 9: Barton was one of the nastiest alignment when I was watching,
Speaker 9: because that's what you're looking for, the physicality, the grit,
Speaker 9: the toughness. Barton stands down that way. I think he
Speaker 9: might be one of those guys. And the medical stuff
Speaker 9: with him, is that a concern.
Speaker 5: It's something that yeah, you hope as a scout you
Speaker 5: you don't pay attention to that stuff as much. You
Speaker 5: just right down, here are the injuries and then you
Speaker 5: cross your fingers when you get the medical report back
Speaker 5: from after the combine. Just yeah, one day you walk
Speaker 5: into the war room. I mean, his name's taken off.
Speaker 6: The Yeah, you're just He's exactly right. You're at the
Speaker 6: mercy of these doctors. Sometimes you just scout the player
Speaker 6: and hope for the best.
Speaker 2: You really really do.
Speaker 4: In Bart, but you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: He's so stubborn with his hands, the tenasty plays with.
Speaker 5: That's what everybody wants for an identity on their offensive line.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean you want a tough guy. Zach Frasier.
Speaker 4: What it was against.
Speaker 5: Baylor when he broke his leg late in the season
Speaker 5: and he's literally crawling off the field fourth quarter, final
Speaker 5: few minutes, so his team doesn't get a penalty for
Speaker 5: because they ride timeouts and he was injured.
Speaker 4: I mean, dude has a broken leg.
Speaker 5: So yeah, toughness is not a worry when you talk
Speaker 5: about the top three or four centers in this class.
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Speaker 2: You brought up.
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Speaker 3: All right, We've got a Senior Bowl preview, a Shrine
Speaker 3: Bowl preview coming up in our next segment. Dame Brugler
Speaker 3: is in the building today from the Athletic Nick Harris
Speaker 3: Brian brought us Zach Wolchuck. I'm Kyle Jewmens. All right,
Speaker 3: let's take a look at the Senior Bowl. You mentioned
Speaker 3: Jim Nagy and what he's done. I mean, the roster
Speaker 3: continues to get better and better and better as you
Speaker 3: go on. And I mean, where do you feel like
Speaker 3: the strength of this Senior Bowl roster is just based
Speaker 3: off of initial viewing top to bottom.
Speaker 5: You can certainly make the argument a tackle like we've
Speaker 5: been talking about because Tyler Guitan's on the roster, Fuaga
Speaker 5: or b Yu left tackle.
Speaker 4: I'm still working on saying his name.
Speaker 8: Sue.
Speaker 4: There you go, there, you go, exactly what it's gonna
Speaker 4: be the.
Speaker 8: Rest of the way.
Speaker 4: Now, thanks, Now I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 2: Maybe he'll help you.
Speaker 3: You know, all right, if you say it on the
Speaker 3: NFL network, you have to do.
Speaker 2: You have to quote Brian Come on, man, ten years
Speaker 2: of working with us here, you know it gets off
Speaker 2: the rails. Tackle.
Speaker 4: That's definitely gonna be one.
Speaker 5: I mean, quarterbacks always drive the conversation, right, uh, Bo
Speaker 5: Nicks and Michael Panics will both be there. That will
Speaker 5: be a fun matchup. Box certainly has a chance to go.
Speaker 2: Are they on the same team, Yes.
Speaker 4: Which is great because see him back to back practice.
Speaker 2: Maggie knows what he's doing. Yeah, Reivers, So yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think it'll be.
Speaker 5: It was funny when I was doing my mock, you know,
Speaker 5: because a mock is never what I my rankings, right,
Speaker 5: you know, I send.
Speaker 2: Make your last one the best one, right, But I.
Speaker 5: Mean I send it around to you know, my contacts
Speaker 5: in the league, and hey, is this about the range
Speaker 5: you think.
Speaker 4: He's gonna go what do you think about this?
Speaker 12: And this?
Speaker 4: And with it came to bon Nicks. The wide range
Speaker 4: of where he might go was crazy.
Speaker 5: It was like some thought third round, some thought, oh,
Speaker 5: I think he's going top twenty five. So there is
Speaker 5: a wide range of opinions on bone Knicks. And the
Speaker 5: Singer Bowl week will be really important, I think for him.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of strange to say about a five
Speaker 5: year starter in college football guy that has a ton
Speaker 5: of tape, but just to see him throw live, and
Speaker 5: especially going head to head with with Michael Pennix, it'll
Speaker 5: be important for him a strong week.
Speaker 6: Can I can I throw a name out who he
Speaker 6: reminds me of? Yeah, you got Hinden Hooker.
Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, Oh the.
Speaker 6: Way he kind of can move around and the way
Speaker 6: he can launch that thing. It just kind of was
Speaker 6: I just had that Hinden Hooker vibe to him, with
Speaker 6: his ability to throw the way he throws the football,
Speaker 6: that he's got, the kind of the measurables and the
Speaker 6: mobility and then you know, with the arm talent and
Speaker 6: stuff like that. I was just thinking, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 6: sometimes like you hold the ball a little long there,
Speaker 6: but man, he makes this kid makes a lot of places.
Speaker 2: He it's amazing.
Speaker 6: At Auburn, he was awful. Yeah, he was a terrible
Speaker 6: football player at Auburn. I appreciate him when LSU played
Speaker 6: Auburn and he was quarterback because I knew some bad
Speaker 6: things weren to happen and then for them, you know.
Speaker 6: And but he goes to Oregon. They work with him,
Speaker 6: the mechanics and all that. The way he plays. I
Speaker 6: mean you could see him working defenses and stuff, you know,
Speaker 6: with his eyes and how he can move people around
Speaker 6: and stuff. He has become so much of a better
Speaker 6: thrower of the football than he was.
Speaker 5: At organ reinventing yourself as a quarterback to you know,
Speaker 5: all he knew growing up was SEC football.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was his dad. His dad was a fine
Speaker 2: player at Auburn.
Speaker 5: As we so to go through that adversity and then
Speaker 5: reinvent yourself at a new place, you know, you give
Speaker 5: him a lot of credit for that. I the one
Speaker 5: thing that kind of bothered me about him was that offense,
Speaker 5: I thought, because I mean, you're right, there were some
Speaker 5: examples where he would use his eyes and stuff, but
Speaker 5: I think the offense it made things so simple for
Speaker 5: him in terms of where to go with the football.
Speaker 5: He had one of the quickest times to throw in
Speaker 5: all of college football. Average depth of target that he
Speaker 5: was throwing to was under seven yards. I mean he
Speaker 5: was It's just boom boom, boom. Get the ball out and.
Speaker 8: To that point really quick because receivers had more yack
Speaker 8: than anybody.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, exactly right, and.
Speaker 5: That boom boom boom and then try to get him
Speaker 5: over the top with you know, that was the offense.
Speaker 5: And hey, it worked out for him, excepting Ainst Washington,
Speaker 5: but it worked out for him in the last I mean,
Speaker 5: he had more touchdowns this year than anybody else. You
Speaker 5: have fifty one total touchdowns, and he can he has
Speaker 5: some mobility to him. That's a part of his game
Speaker 5: as well. So he's a really interesting player. It's funny
Speaker 5: I at the Hendon Hooker comp I was kind of
Speaker 5: making with Michael Pennix.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you have the medicals there. That's a factor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, just coming from those those offenses where
Speaker 5: you have some pretty good receivers are throwing.
Speaker 3: To interesting arm angles.
Speaker 4: Right older players.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean with Penix, just to see him throw,
Speaker 5: I have a third round grade on him. And it's
Speaker 5: funny how draft narratives work. How good he was against Texas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean just think about think about it.
Speaker 5: They say quinn Ewers connects on that throw to Mitchell
Speaker 5: and Texas wins that game. Season over for Michael Pennix.
Speaker 4: But he ends on that note.
Speaker 5: Think about how differently people would think of him based
Speaker 5: off of then how he played against Michigan, which is
Speaker 5: the best defense he's ever faced in his life, the
Speaker 5: closest thing to an NFL defense he's ever faced. It's
Speaker 5: it's just funny how dropt narratives work, because it would
Speaker 5: be so the conversation where Michael Pennox would be so
Speaker 5: different if they lost that game against Texas.
Speaker 6: I know this Indiana football has not been the same
Speaker 6: since he left.
Speaker 2: No, Indiana had the same thing. Klen de Bor too, Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's the thing about it is.
Speaker 6: I think there is a I think there's an it
Speaker 6: factor about Michael Pennock.
Speaker 2: There is, I do.
Speaker 6: I think there is something about him, the number of
Speaker 6: starts he's.
Speaker 2: Made, the big games he had the Michigan game. We
Speaker 2: give Michigan a lot of credit.
Speaker 6: Mentor did a great job the defensive coordiner at Michigan
Speaker 6: making him have some different looks in that football game.
Speaker 4: You're going to see that every Sunday.
Speaker 2: And I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 5: It felt like every time he would get the snap,
Speaker 5: he was thinking about that rush. Yeah, he was all right,
Speaker 5: where's it coming from?
Speaker 6: I don't know the right tackle was breaking down in
Speaker 6: that that that Michigan game.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he hold front it was. It
Speaker 2: was just hard for him to do.
Speaker 6: And I'm not making excuses for the kid, but man,
Speaker 6: it is those very much like you're watching, you know,
Speaker 6: with our kid from Ohio State that's now down at
Speaker 6: the with the Texans Stroud Stroud and watching him play
Speaker 6: with those pro wide receivers you know, at Ohio State
Speaker 6: and play that Georgia game. You're watching Pennis play with
Speaker 6: pro receivers and you're thinking, man, this is what he
Speaker 6: can do with with those type of receivers those That's
Speaker 6: that was encouraging to me. That really was encouraging me.
Speaker 6: And I understand what you're saying about. You know, where
Speaker 6: you have. These quarterbacks are so hard to evaluate. It
Speaker 6: really is hard to value. Have been wrong on a
Speaker 6: lot of courters.
Speaker 5: Absolutely nature of the positions and some of the smartest
Speaker 5: people I know in the NFL.
Speaker 2: The Packers are wrong about quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: They seem to nail it as soon as you walk
Speaker 4: into that building.
Speaker 6: It's just that did not rub off of me at
Speaker 6: all when I was working there. So I know what,
Speaker 6: I know what the problem is there. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I I don't think Pennix
Speaker 2: is a first round quarterback. I don't, but man, I
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 6: Is a winner, and he's and he's everywhere he's been
Speaker 6: and deep ball the dB, you.
Speaker 4: Can make the argument he's the best de ball throw
Speaker 4: in the draft.
Speaker 5: Really absolutely, with the way he chucks me. He's so aggressive.
Speaker 5: He knew he had pro receivers that he was starting to.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I mean to me, that's I'm watching these guys when
Speaker 6: they play, these quarterbacks and the and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 6: this could translate because he's already playing with pro receivers,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, he's putting the ball. It's not
Speaker 6: like these guys are having to work a ton, you know,
Speaker 6: but that you know, But.
Speaker 5: It was Rodney Jalen Polk and Jayalen McMillan is a
Speaker 5: I love that he's a good player.
Speaker 3: The one thing that I'm looking at, though, is if
Speaker 3: you look at the way that quarterbacks have been overvalued
Speaker 3: in recent drafts, and you look at Kenny Pickett late
Speaker 3: first round, twenty third overall when he was taken by Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: You look at Will Levis.
Speaker 3: He didn't go in the first, but he was very
Speaker 3: early in the second. If you're comparing Michael Pennix to
Speaker 3: those two guys, which are recent prospects, I think he's.
Speaker 2: Better than both of those guys.
Speaker 3: Great interesting, and I will have them him most likely
Speaker 3: in final grades. Of course aren't here yet, but whenever
Speaker 3: I've got him graded out, I will most likely have
Speaker 3: him higher than both of those guys. And so if
Speaker 3: that's the case, then you might see a team take
Speaker 3: a flyer on him.
Speaker 5: Late in the first The biggest myth in the draft
Speaker 5: process is there's a consensus quarterback board somewhere that everybody's
Speaker 5: working on.
Speaker 4: Every single board, especially.
Speaker 5: At quarterbacks, look so different team to team with what
Speaker 5: they value what they're looking for. You know, like in
Speaker 5: this perfect example, you and I to me, there's a
Speaker 5: huge gap between Will Levis and Michael Pennox.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5: I liked Will Levis more than I like Michael Pennox.
Speaker 5: That's just that's my op And I think the two
Speaker 5: playoff games with Penix was a good example. I thought,
Speaker 5: how he played against a very vanilla Texas defense, show
Speaker 5: what he can do. And that's an NFL quarterback right there.
Speaker 5: Against Michigan, which is closer to what NFL defenses are
Speaker 5: going to throw it on weekend week out, he missed
Speaker 5: open reads.
Speaker 4: The accuracy wasn't on point.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, a lot of people watch the
Speaker 5: Oregon games and then the playoff games of Penix, but
Speaker 5: watch him against Arizona State and Utah and some of
Speaker 5: these other defenses that really gave him trouble. And I
Speaker 5: don't know, I struggle with Penix quite a bit. And
Speaker 5: that doesn't even in factor in the medicals older guy,
Speaker 5: you know, so someone.
Speaker 3: That's gonna knock him as his age in the medicals,
Speaker 3: those are two See. I think people go to Indy
Speaker 3: yeah and completely be knocked.
Speaker 6: But I feel like that people with the age, it
Speaker 6: doesn't bother them. For this reason, I think people are
Speaker 6: the liking the fact that these quarterbacks are making more starts.
Speaker 2: You know that we've gone away.
Speaker 4: From uperiend, you know, wheel to ourselves.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've gone away from the Okay, well, Mitch Trubisky
Speaker 6: only started ten games. Now he's the third overall pick,
Speaker 6: and you know, and then you look at Brock Perdy,
Speaker 6: who started a million games, but he's mister irrelevant. And
Speaker 6: now people are looking at experience and starts as a
Speaker 6: positive and not as a negative.
Speaker 2: You know, I felt like, oh, he was an older
Speaker 2: guy and all.
Speaker 6: You always used to hear that, but then now these
Speaker 6: guys are you know, the guys are getting thrown into
Speaker 6: the game so much earlier in their career.
Speaker 4: Yes, and he starts bo Nick's had in his college.
Speaker 2: Girl fifty something.
Speaker 6: I'm sure with a fifty three.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like you played LSU a lot. Again,
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: And he was forty three and eighteen over those So
Speaker 5: even though like at Auburn, three years at Auburn weren't perfect,
Speaker 5: No they were were, He's still won some game.
Speaker 2: He won gauge and.
Speaker 6: You're absolutely right about that. But let me ask you
Speaker 6: this real quick. The thing with is Caleb Williams. The
Speaker 6: scrutiny on the quarterback? What what? What are people going
Speaker 6: to scrutinize the most about him? When you and if
Speaker 6: you had to, Because I love I love Jalen Daniels
Speaker 6: as well, my l Shues, my Jaden Daniels, my lsu Gout,
Speaker 6: I love him, but people are going to scrutinize how
Speaker 6: thin he looks. Yeah, he's you know, especially with what's
Speaker 6: happened to the poor kid at Carolina, you know, and how.
Speaker 2: At least he's sixty three.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but two five he made and he takes some
Speaker 6: wicked hits and he hits up. He's tough and all that.
Speaker 6: But what's going to be the scrutiny for Caleb Williams?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 6: Why are people going to poke holes in him? Because
Speaker 6: I watch his tape and I'm like thinking, Skeltic's for
Speaker 6: real deal for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think he'll probably end up as my
Speaker 5: number one player in the draft. I mean, he is
Speaker 5: the clear favorite to go number one. When you look
Speaker 5: at the Notre Dame game, certainly that was not a
Speaker 5: great game for him on the road against a very
Speaker 5: good defense. If we're gonna ding Michael Pennox for how
Speaker 5: he played against Michigan, r ding Caleb Williams, the way
Speaker 5: he played against Notre Dame, the off field stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's as much.
Speaker 5: Of a factor as a lot of people want to
Speaker 5: make it. You know, doing GQ articles and painting his
Speaker 5: nails and just being a little bit different is not
Speaker 5: like the worst thing in the world. Uh, certainly not
Speaker 5: as bad as some people make it out to be.
Speaker 5: You know, the crying in the stands with his mom
Speaker 5: like shows me the guy.
Speaker 4: Cares, Yeah, like I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm confused by the criticism of that one. At the
Speaker 5: end of the day, is he going to win you
Speaker 5: football games? That's what it's going to come down to.
Speaker 5: And I think the the goal of picking a quarterback
Speaker 5: in the top ten should not be defined a next
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes Andrew Luck that that's not it's not realistic.
Speaker 5: You put too much pressure on these guys to be
Speaker 5: that guy. The expectation or the goal of drafting quarterback
Speaker 5: in the top ten is can he be an NFL
Speaker 5: quarterback that ranks top ten in the league. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: because that's the guy that's gonna help me win a division,
Speaker 5: go to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: That's all you need. If you have a guy.
Speaker 5: That's a top ten quarterback in the NFL, you've got
Speaker 5: a chance, you know, because you're going to get into
Speaker 5: the dance. And then once you do, it's game by
Speaker 5: game by game, and anybody can win those games. So
Speaker 5: I think Kayleb Williams, I think Drake May and I
Speaker 5: would throw Jay and Daniels in there as guys that
Speaker 5: you can at least understand how a team will look
Speaker 5: at them and say, yeah, he had there's a trajectory
Speaker 5: of him becoming a top ten quarterback in league.
Speaker 2: Is there a chance that Daniels is the second quarterback taken?
Speaker 4: He could go one?
Speaker 5: I mean, look, what would just say about these there's
Speaker 5: no consensus, you know, all it takes is one team
Speaker 5: to I do think the odds are low that he
Speaker 5: would go one, a little bit higher than to go two.
Speaker 5: But I think the odds would be he's going to
Speaker 5: be the third quarterback drafted. But you know, we have
Speaker 5: a brand new regime in Washington. Who knows how they
Speaker 5: haven't hired a head coach yet. You know, it's who
Speaker 5: knows how they're going to view that quarterback position.
Speaker 4: Maybe they are.
Speaker 5: Going for because Drake may is a really talented guy.
Speaker 5: But down the stretch, you watched the Clemson tate the
Speaker 5: NC State worries you a little bit. Some of the
Speaker 5: decision making now part of it is. And you could
Speaker 5: say the same thing with Caleb. He felt like he
Speaker 5: had to put the superhero cape on and do it
Speaker 5: all himself because he just wasn't getting a ton of help.
Speaker 5: But still they're young players working through their mistakes. Jane
Speaker 5: Daniels is a five year starter. He's to your point
Speaker 5: you were saying earlier about that age factor, having the experience.
Speaker 5: You know what he did at Arizona State, then he
Speaker 5: moves to LSU. Having the same off defensive ecosystem two
Speaker 5: years in a row, first time he's ever had that
Speaker 5: two years in a row, played a big factor in
Speaker 5: him blowing up like this.
Speaker 4: So I'm a big believer.
Speaker 2: They won ten games because of him.
Speaker 4: Oh no, he was the reason why they played bad defense.
Speaker 2: They were historically bad defense.
Speaker 6: They won ten games because him, and if you if
Speaker 6: you dig him for anything else, just remember that he
Speaker 6: was the one reason why they won ten games.
Speaker 5: I'm a big believer in when you scout players, bank
Speaker 5: on explosive plays. I think those translate with Jane Daniels.
Speaker 5: He accounted for ninety plays of twenty plus yards this year.
Speaker 5: To put that number in perspective, Joe Burrow his hei's
Speaker 5: been winning season, National title winning season a couple years ago.
Speaker 4: He had eighty seven and he did that in fifteen games.
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels had ninety and.
Speaker 8: Twelve games with Jamar Chase and just yeah, to.
Speaker 2: That point, I mean, neighbors is neighbors and Thomas are
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 4: He's a top five pick.
Speaker 2: Neighbors Neighbors, Yeah, Brian Thomas.
Speaker 5: I think if he ends up being a top twelve pick, yeah,
Speaker 5: surprise me at all.
Speaker 4: He is that type of talent.
Speaker 2: Neighbors that's rare.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, I do think he had plenty
Speaker 5: of help. But the name that comes up when you
Speaker 5: talk about Jane Daniels with teams is Lamar Jackson. Cool,
Speaker 5: And it's not a apples apples comparison necessarily, But defenses
Speaker 5: have to gain plan for you for Jane Daniels the
Speaker 5: same way they have to gain plan for Lamar Jackson
Speaker 5: escape because he is legit. With his leg he can
Speaker 5: beat you from the pocket. Still, some processing things that
Speaker 5: I think he's still developing at, but he advanced that
Speaker 5: the advancement.
Speaker 4: He made this year as a passer was really impressive.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and there's no doubt again the offensive line
Speaker 5: played really well this year. He had the two first
Speaker 5: round receivers and then even the guys that went back,
Speaker 5: those guys are getting drafted next year for eelas year receiver.
Speaker 5: So he's he had a lot of talent around him.
Speaker 5: But a credit to Jayan and Daniels for really taking
Speaker 5: advantage of that.
Speaker 2: I think he got him dead on right. Yep.
Speaker 3: A couple of really interesting quarterback conversations already. Then we're
Speaker 3: not even to the All Star Games, so there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot of eyes on the guys that are
Speaker 3: in the Senior Bowl, that are in the Shrine Bowl,
Speaker 3: and then you get into the Combine and guys that
Speaker 3: will throw in Indianapolis that'll go a long way as well.
Speaker 3: Kind Of shifting to the defensive side before we take
Speaker 3: our second break, Nick, whenever you look at this Senior
Speaker 3: Bowl roster, are there any defensive players that we should keep.
Speaker 14: Our eye on?
Speaker 3: Whenever you go in.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm really excited to see a few of them
Speaker 10: next week in Mobile. I want to start with Kenyon Mitchell.
Speaker 10: I believe that's how you say his name out of
Speaker 10: Toledo the corner. Really excited to see what he puts
Speaker 10: on the field next week. He's a guy that you
Speaker 10: see in the late first round, you see early second round.
Speaker 10: He's a guy I'm really excited to see Ennis Rakestraw.
Speaker 10: We talked about him a little bit last week. Another
Speaker 10: Senior Bowl guy. But Cameron kinchins I think that's the
Speaker 10: number one guy I'm gonna be looking forward to seeing
Speaker 10: a Mobile next week.
Speaker 8: I mean he's a hard hitter, he's aggressive.
Speaker 10: If you're looking out of Miami, Miami, if you're looking
Speaker 10: for a guy that kind of fits the Cowboys mold
Speaker 10: of safeties of the past as far as hard hitters,
Speaker 10: really aggressive. Might give up the big play here and there,
Speaker 10: but he's gonna be able to make some plays in
Speaker 10: the front end and be able to kind of lay
Speaker 10: his hat down on some few occasions.
Speaker 8: Cameron Kitchens is that guy we talked about just Doublon.
Speaker 2: Grave By saying he gives a big play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, watch the Cowboys, watch.
Speaker 4: The North Carolina tape.
Speaker 5: I think that is a good example of the good
Speaker 5: and the bad with him because he will.
Speaker 4: Give up some plays, but he will make some plays
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: And he's a good example of juniors now being eligible
Speaker 5: for these All Star games, and he's a guy taking
Speaker 5: advantage of that. You know, a lot of juniors are saying,
Speaker 5: you know, I put enough on tape.
Speaker 4: I'm coming out, but I don't need an All Star game.
Speaker 5: Kitchens got the Senior Bowl invite, and most grades on
Speaker 5: Kitchens are right around that third round from scouts.
Speaker 4: He wants to get into the second.
Speaker 5: He wants to be a top fifty guy and going
Speaker 5: to the Senior Bowl is a great opportunity for him
Speaker 5: to do that. A big question will be, you know,
Speaker 5: how fast is he run? Does he really have the
Speaker 5: top tier athleticism to cover both sidelines? If he's going
Speaker 5: to be playing a center field type of safety role
Speaker 5: is he you know, can he play a post safety?
Speaker 4: What kind of safety is he? What kind of athlete
Speaker 4: is he?
Speaker 5: So this week at the Senior Bowl will or next
Speaker 5: week at the Senior Bowl and Mobile will be a
Speaker 5: big opportunity for him.
Speaker 2: What about the wake Forest kid? Is it Mustapia?
Speaker 4: Is that he's a safety?
Speaker 2: Malik Mustapia.
Speaker 6: I had a scout tell me about him and the
Speaker 6: words I say, they used to safety from Forest and
Speaker 6: the guy said, he's an active, tough, physical, fun to
Speaker 6: watch player. So I mean he I said, give me
Speaker 6: a name of a guy and he is there? Day
Speaker 6: any thought about that at all?
Speaker 2: Or am I?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I think he's right now.
Speaker 5: He's in the middle rounds, I think, you know, but
Speaker 5: a guy that's trying to get into that top one hundred.
Speaker 2: Yes, I asked for some under the radar kind of guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not the I mean he's he gave me then.
Speaker 2: Him Jalen Simpson from.
Speaker 10: All the kind of like that safety linebacker hybrid side
Speaker 10: Jalen Simpson. I think he could really start to jump
Speaker 10: up whenever you look at what he can do from
Speaker 10: a flex positional standpoint.
Speaker 5: And that's a good riser because yeah, he was PFA
Speaker 5: coming to the year and then started picking off passes
Speaker 5: this year for Auburn and put himself into that draft.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ball skills guy. That's what they were saying
Speaker 2: about this kids. Did you want to add something on
Speaker 2: Kitchens at the end there.
Speaker 10: Speaking of safeties and guys that I think probably won't
Speaker 10: test well. Combine, it would be kind of interesting to
Speaker 10: kind of see how their process goes. Javon Bullard, I
Speaker 10: think that's another one out of Georgia that that's.
Speaker 2: Your guy, right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just don't think he's gonna test big guy.
Speaker 10: I don't think he's gonna test well. That's the one
Speaker 10: thing that I think I will be a little bit
Speaker 10: concerning coming out of comment. I'm with you, Zach. I'm
Speaker 10: with you, Zach. I think he's a good player.
Speaker 3: We had the same talk with Winfield Junior when he
Speaker 3: came out.
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm still win Winfield Junior. I got you.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a great shout out, because I that's
Speaker 5: the question. Is he going to run and test well
Speaker 5: enough to go in the top fifty picks?
Speaker 4: But man, he will hit you. He will.
Speaker 5: He's so aggressive with the way he plays the angles
Speaker 5: that he takes, and he's smart. I mean you can
Speaker 5: tell that he is, you know, really anticipating what the
Speaker 5: offense is doing, based off of formation, based off of tendencies,
Speaker 5: and puts himself in a position to make plays. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: Bullard is a This safety class overall is probably don't
Speaker 5: have a first round safety. I don't think, but you know,
Speaker 5: how does it? Tyler Nuban from Minnesota.
Speaker 2: And NUVID is I think really good, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Big fan of Duban. I one of my favorite safeties
Speaker 4: this year is Jadon Hicks Washington State.
Speaker 6: That guy there you go on now now we're talking
Speaker 6: sixty three two ten, Nah, you tell me about him,
Speaker 6: let's go.
Speaker 5: But yeah, he had one of Michael Pennix's then throw
Speaker 5: a ton of interceptions.
Speaker 4: No, this guy one of them. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Watching Wisconsin tape and watch him just lay out dudes
Speaker 5: over the middle, watch him cover.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: He is a lot of fun. He'll be at the
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl as well.
Speaker 10: If you want a smart football player, Tyler Nuban is
Speaker 10: that guy for me. I mean you see him lining up, yeah,
Speaker 10: you can see. You can see him lining up in
Speaker 10: single high instances. You see him even coming up and
Speaker 10: lining up on the line and like third down and
Speaker 10: short situations. He's I said it. I think last week.
Speaker 10: I think he's the best run defending safety in this class. Yeah,
Speaker 10: he's He's incredible.
Speaker 9: How we feel about Peyton Wilson and C State. I
Speaker 9: watched him, man and that dude you talk about intelligence
Speaker 9: instincts all around the football medicals, I mean medical.
Speaker 8: You missed it. We had a whole Peyton Wilson mark
Speaker 8: on that show.
Speaker 2: Like this guy's all over the damn field.
Speaker 8: Yeah he was four hundred tackles him.
Speaker 2: Or Eikenberg from Ohio State? Which one?
Speaker 4: It comes down to the medicals? It does because he.
Speaker 2: He used to be so good at this.
Speaker 3: I think Will Slivers a little better than Iickenberg.
Speaker 4: I think, oh yeah, no doubt. I think so too.
Speaker 4: Wilson literally has double digit surgeries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem. Double That's what happens when you
Speaker 3: have four hundred tackles. Yeah, you're gonna get banged up
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 4: In the And the question is, Okay, I see a
Speaker 4: guy that you know is going to be fine riders contract?
Speaker 7: Is he you know?
Speaker 5: Like that's that's He's gonna be a tough one for
Speaker 5: the doctors to really figure out. But you guys, I
Speaker 5: mean you're all over him. He's a really fun player.
Speaker 2: Before we go to break the six foot trotter.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, I see him in first srown mocks
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I don't see it.
Speaker 2: I think it's like a second third. I think third
Speaker 2: round guy. Is it because of his height?
Speaker 5: I don't think he's the type of athlete. I mean,
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety seven he's a first round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know that's but in today's.
Speaker 2: Quand Smith's making a lot of plays with the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Let me just say that he.
Speaker 5: Could run and he can make plays in the sideline trotter.
Speaker 5: I just don't know if he's that type of athlete,
Speaker 5: and I don't I don't trust him in space necessarily.
Speaker 3: Just called your gush slow.
Speaker 4: He did call my guy, called him not blazing facts.
Speaker 2: I love the drafted his dad. Yeah, and he's got
Speaker 2: some toughness like his dad. Do you watch Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cedric Gray, North Carolina. Eve check him out?
Speaker 2: No, I need that's he's taller.
Speaker 12: Check out?
Speaker 2: Is that dude?
Speaker 8: Singer Bowl guy as well?
Speaker 5: So that'll be fun next Well, in the top Shrine
Speaker 5: guy this year, it might be the top linebacker drafted,
Speaker 5: Edwin Cooper from.
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Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl preview. We just talked about it. One hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty of the nation's top NFL draft prospects coming
Speaker 3: to Frisco. Practices get underway on Saturday for practices right, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, right,
Speaker 3: four straight days of practice and we'll be right across
Speaker 3: the hall, so we'll have an opportunity.
Speaker 2: It's the way of that we know.
Speaker 4: They it's not public anymore. It's so they don't really
Speaker 4: tell us.
Speaker 5: I'm sure because most everyone's coming in and I think
Speaker 5: they're doing them separately anyways, Its just by position and
Speaker 5: to everybody at once.
Speaker 4: So I think those are probably Saturday.
Speaker 2: Then, Okay, so I actually know how big these guys are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, official measurements. I know Fridays when interviews start.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited to sit down with something. A lot
Speaker 4: of these guys ask some questions.
Speaker 5: That's such an invaluable part of my process, just getting
Speaker 5: one on one time with these guys. So that yeah,
Speaker 5: it starts tomorrow Friday.
Speaker 3: And Senior Bowl doesn't do public weigh ins either since
Speaker 3: COVID right right, that's just done away with it.
Speaker 11: Why is it?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, if you know, I think.
Speaker 5: Some people believe it's kind of an antiquated way of
Speaker 5: doing things. You know, making these guys try to cross
Speaker 5: the stage in the short you know, and staying on
Speaker 5: a scale.
Speaker 2: And hundreds of media members. Yeah, scouts, if you're.
Speaker 5: An evaluator, there's value in understanding of player's body type
Speaker 5: and just okay, muscle definition, is there room dead muscle?
Speaker 4: Things like that.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, we don't need to make
Speaker 5: it as much of a spectacle as we've done the Okay.
Speaker 3: That's interesting Now with this group of senior or Shrine
Speaker 3: Bowl participants and the juniors being able to play in
Speaker 3: these all star games, do you feel like there's an
Speaker 3: uptick in the roster this year compared to years past
Speaker 3: and the way that this Bowl Game has been represented.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the juniors certainly helped that.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 5: One of the keeping with the Miami theme, on the
Speaker 5: Miami defense theme, one of the juniors that I can't
Speaker 5: wait to see is Leonard Taylor, defensive tackle, former five
Speaker 5: star guy, right, I mean, he was big time coming
Speaker 5: out of high school.
Speaker 2: And where to go to high school? The first he
Speaker 2: is explosive off the snatch.
Speaker 5: The flashes are first round, but the body of work
Speaker 5: not there, and so it's like he I will bet
Speaker 5: He is the most interviewed player this week at the
Speaker 5: Shrine bol trying to figure out why, trying to figure
Speaker 5: out what makes him tick? Yeah, how much does he
Speaker 5: love football? Is this some thing that he's you know,
Speaker 5: because he has potential? Does he have that you know, intensity,
Speaker 5: that fire within him that he's going to reach out potential?
Speaker 10: I mentioned it had been in the last show about
Speaker 10: Leonard Taylor. He was a guy that, like, for me,
Speaker 10: I wanted to stay away from because I've seen these
Speaker 10: types before, the five star, the guy who was from
Speaker 10: the very moment he stepped on a high school field
Speaker 10: had everything he ever needed. Yeah, stayed home, went to Miami.
Speaker 10: And this feels like a trend with Miami guys too,
Speaker 10: where they get to Miami and there're this big time
Speaker 10: prospect and then they just kind of don't have that
Speaker 10: same passion, that same fire, and whenever they get to
Speaker 10: the NFL, they fizzle out really fast. So that's why
Speaker 10: I'm like, I would much rather go in a different
Speaker 10: direction at defensive tackle with this defensive tackle class if
Speaker 10: it was a different class. Okay, yeah, I'm investing a
Speaker 10: little bit more time in Leonard Taylor. I agree he
Speaker 10: has that explosive get off. He has those moments, but
Speaker 10: the production, I mean, there's there's just not a lot
Speaker 10: of it.
Speaker 3: That he and and he does. When Brian watched him,
Speaker 3: he'll be like he's on the ground a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah he is, and you're front on the ground. I
Speaker 2: hate that. Yeah, Well, and he's a guy if you're
Speaker 2: a clapper as a defensive back. Because I agree with
Speaker 2: one hundred.
Speaker 5: Percent of what you guys are saying. But at a
Speaker 5: certain point, it's like, okay, where are we okay drafting him?
Speaker 5: Because if he's still around in the late fourth round,
Speaker 5: is at a point where we're like, okay, we'll take
Speaker 5: a swing on this guy, and you know if we
Speaker 5: miss right, and so at what point do we feel
Speaker 5: comfortable drafting him? That's part of this fact finding mission
Speaker 5: of these All Star games when you interview him and
Speaker 5: I'm glad he's going to be here to you know,
Speaker 5: kind of answer some of those questions.
Speaker 3: Where would you feel comfortable sliding him in if you
Speaker 3: had to put a grade on him early?
Speaker 5: You know, if I did a three round Monck draft,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't be in there. I think somewhere early day
Speaker 5: three is where you start to have those conversations about Okay,
Speaker 5: at some point this potential is worth us, you know,
Speaker 5: throwing a Day three pick out.
Speaker 6: So we're going to open our Day three broadcast and
Speaker 6: we're going to talk about the names, and he's going
Speaker 6: to be one of those names, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Remember?
Speaker 4: But you know what all it takes is one team.
Speaker 4: We've seen traits guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, we have that we thought, And so
Speaker 5: if he sneaks into the Day two I don't think
Speaker 5: it'd be completely shocking based off of again those flashes
Speaker 5: that he has. But this is where the process that
Speaker 5: starts for him to prove himself and to convince teams,
Speaker 5: hey I'm worth that gamble.
Speaker 2: What do you know about this cornerback from the CFL Stiggers, Yeah.
Speaker 10: This is a story I wanted to bring up. This
Speaker 10: is a very very interesting one. So this kid Kwantes Stiggers,
Speaker 10: he you college, right, So he played at I'll start
Speaker 10: with the high school day. So he started at this
Speaker 10: prep academy in Atlanta, the best academy. It's basically like
Speaker 10: a private type ordeal. The best I could find. Couldn't
Speaker 10: even really find much about this school. Played there, ended
Speaker 10: up on an HBCU scholarship to Lane College in Tennessee
Speaker 10: D two program. Was only there, I believe half a semester.
Speaker 10: His father passed away, was in a car accident, so
Speaker 10: he had to go back home and help support his family.
Speaker 10: Work two jobs, instacart, was working door dash things like
Speaker 10: that to support for his family. He's got a brother
Speaker 10: who's a quadriplegic because of a football injury.
Speaker 8: He broke his spine.
Speaker 10: He's got three other siblings and a single mom now
Speaker 10: who had lost lost her husband. So he was supporting
Speaker 10: for the family and the mom. One day signed him
Speaker 10: up for a tryout for the Fan Controlled Football League
Speaker 10: in Atlanta, and it's the seven on seven fan control
Speaker 10: Football You've probably seen it in some areas.
Speaker 8: He goes there and he balls out.
Speaker 10: Thatches the attention of the offensive coordinator for the Toronto
Speaker 10: Argonauts in CFL. They say, hey, you know, come up
Speaker 10: to Toronto. Let's try you out in this open tryout ordeal.
Speaker 10: You know, see if you can maybe get a camp invite.
Speaker 10: He gets a camp invite, He goes to camp, and
Speaker 10: the staffers at Toronto said, by day two he was
Speaker 10: separating himself from the rookies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're there.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 10: Ended up starting as a corner on the Toronto Argonauts
Speaker 10: in the CFL, so made the team, goes up there
Speaker 10: and then wins the CFL Rookie of the Year five interceptions,
Speaker 10: fifty six tackles this past season.
Speaker 8: Really fun story. He's going to be at the Shrine
Speaker 8: Bowl this week.
Speaker 10: The NFL sent out a memo a couple of weeks
Speaker 10: ago about him, saying that he's eligible to be drafted.
Speaker 10: About half of the gms have already reached out to
Speaker 10: his representation about him, and he'll have a pro dain
Speaker 10: in Atlanta around the same time as Georgia and Georgia Tech.
Speaker 10: That's going to be really big for him because there's
Speaker 10: just so many unknowns because he didn't play college football.
Speaker 10: But he wins the Rookie of the Year in the
Speaker 10: CFL and he's able to pick up all these different
Speaker 10: type of concepts so fast. Denver is probably the program
Speaker 10: I'm looking at for him. I say program franchise and
Speaker 10: I'm looking at for him. There's a lot of Broncos
Speaker 10: connections with the Argonauts and GM has already kind of
Speaker 10: reached out there. So Denver's probably the one you want
Speaker 10: to look at. If he goes undrafted. But I think
Speaker 10: this is a guy that can get drafted. I think
Speaker 10: sixth seventh round. This is a guy you look at.
Speaker 8: He has a big week this week at shrinebol that
Speaker 8: could even rise.
Speaker 6: I watched him play Hamilton Tiger Cats. Yeah, the Hamilton
Speaker 6: Tiger Cats. My man had an interception the game, but
Speaker 6: one handed interception this game. Uh, he could play left
Speaker 6: or right corner. He's got ball skills. I mentioned the interception.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 6: He plays a lot of own in the CFL, so
Speaker 6: you see him play kind of sideways. But he's a
Speaker 6: he's a stocky guy and he and he's not afraid
Speaker 6: to tackle. I mean there were a couple of times
Speaker 6: where ball the the you know, the receiver caught the
Speaker 6: ball from and he's driving on the ball. He does
Speaker 6: have quickness and when they break inside on him, he
Speaker 6: can chase and trail. I had two scouts tell me
Speaker 6: because I was saying, give me some they said, watch
Speaker 6: his kid from the CFL. So NFL teams are already there,
Speaker 6: pro depart. It's probably seen this kid play, but he does.
Speaker 6: He's compact. He did lose his man in this game
Speaker 6: that on one they gave up a touchdown late in
Speaker 6: the game. He kind of lost it in that end
Speaker 6: zone here. It's a huge end zone they play in,
Speaker 6: by the way, Yeah, but they lost the guy.
Speaker 2: But other than that, everything about the movement, the way
Speaker 2: he ad just the way he stays with this guy,
Speaker 2: the way he drives tackles, there's a lot there was
Speaker 2: a lot of things that you just kind of going, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I could see why people are talking about this kid.
Speaker 2: But again, I had two NFL guys say, hey, you
Speaker 2: need to check this CFL kid out, you know, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's why I asked, And I'm glad, you're
Speaker 2: glad you knew the story.
Speaker 10: The corners coach for the Broncos, they asked him he
Speaker 10: played in the NFL for quite a bit, or corners
Speaker 10: coach for the Argonauts, he played for the Broncos quite
Speaker 10: a bit, and he said, this is a third fourth
Speaker 10: round guy for Yeah, but he's like, obviously there's gonna
Speaker 10: be a lot of questions and he's gonna have to
Speaker 10: fulfill a lot of things in the draft process, so
Speaker 10: it's probably a Day three type or deal.
Speaker 8: But I mean, his Argonauts corners coach was giving him
Speaker 8: a co.
Speaker 6: Sign I'll be interested to see how he plays in
Speaker 6: the one on ones and stuff, because again, you watch
Speaker 6: the CFL stuff, he's literally playing sideways. They're playing a
Speaker 6: lot of zone and their funnel and everything into the
Speaker 6: middle of the field if they can.
Speaker 8: He's picking up those concept.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 11: Yea fascinating.
Speaker 2: You're right, you could.
Speaker 6: You could go back and watch the YouTube grainy of
Speaker 6: him playing seven on seven.
Speaker 11: Football with that that that league left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: this guy played at Toronto. I get some Toronto tape.
Speaker 7: Let go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: It's it's a rare situation to see a guy that's
Speaker 5: already played pro football in an All Star game like this.
Speaker 5: But because he didn't play college, he is eligible for
Speaker 5: the draft. And Eric Galco, who uh the director of
Speaker 5: the Shrine Bowl, called me a few weeks ago and said, hey,
Speaker 5: get this guy in your radar because because.
Speaker 4: I idn't really didn't know about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't scout the CFL. That's not usually something I've
Speaker 5: had to worry about when it comes to the draft.
Speaker 5: But this guy is eligible, and yeah, he's he's a player,
Speaker 5: so he's got a shot.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. I've never been so close to dropping an
Speaker 3: S bomb on here, like than saying holy blank because
Speaker 3: of that story.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's an incredible story.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I mean it's only fitting that Dame
Speaker 3: Bruglu is here and we're talking about day three corners
Speaker 3: here before all.
Speaker 2: Star Games even get going. Uh, but that's that's outstanding.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna wear a Saskatchewan or not a Saskatchewan
Speaker 3: a Tornado helmet for.
Speaker 8: The on the roster of Toronto argonaze YEA, so cool.
Speaker 2: That's badass. That is awesome. It's a weird number. Forty
Speaker 2: two is what he wore during the during the season
Speaker 2: fighting Barry Churches, Anthony Henry.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: All right. We could do this for a whole hour,
Speaker 2: another hour. We could do it all day long. Actually
Speaker 2: could do it all day Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys want to just keep going rolling.
Speaker 2: We gotta we got it. We got a radio gig.
Speaker 2: We gotta go down, y'all, gotta get on the road.
Speaker 3: Dane.
Speaker 2: It's been so fun catching up with you.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. This is my pleasure. This is
Speaker 4: it feels like I never left right Yeah, So anytime.
Speaker 2: Mission man, You haven't you've been on every year anytime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I take advantage of that opportunity and make sure
Speaker 4: you show.
Speaker 2: Up at the combine for these guys and that you know,
Speaker 2: if you have the combine stuff.
Speaker 4: And I'll be there for over a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3: That'll be fun. But we've got Shrine Bowl, Senior Bowl,
Speaker 3: and then of course getting into the Combine stuff coming up,
Speaker 3: so we'll be in touch. We'll definitely hit you up
Speaker 3: on the phone line if we need to down the line.
Speaker 3: But Dan, if you haven't already subscribed to Dan on
Speaker 3: the Athletic, go and follow subscribe. It is worth your time.
Speaker 3: And the Beast isn't even here yet, and it's still
Speaker 3: worth your time to see all the mock drafts and
Speaker 3: the articles coming out. You can keep up with the
Speaker 3: draft blog on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Nick Harris and
Speaker 3: I started that this week, so if you want some
Speaker 3: running draft content for the Dallas Cowboys, that's a new
Speaker 3: thing you can check out too if you're a fan
Speaker 3: of the Draft Show. But that'll do it for us
Speaker 3: here this week. We'll come back on Tuesday. We'll have
Speaker 3: some Shrine Bowl practices to talk about.
Speaker 2: Nick Harris will be out in mobile. We'll get him
Speaker 2: on the phone lines.
Speaker 3: We'll get you caught up on draft process here in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four for Dan Brugler, Nick Harris, Brian brought
Speaker 3: us Zach Waltchuck Chris Beaman the back of Kyle Yemen
Speaker 3: saying so long, we'll see you next week on the
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