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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry's

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Speaker 1: over there, and this is Stuff you Should Know, the

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Speaker 1: one where Chuck and Jerry, who are old, reminisced about

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Speaker 1: Evil Knevil. We're all the same age, nobuddy man. That's true,

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Speaker 1: we're all in our forties. But I wasn't suddenly catapulted

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Speaker 1: or imbued with memories of Evil Knevil, So you don't

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Speaker 1: have any I had a I guess not. I mean

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Speaker 1: his star was fading by seventy nine. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you what the stunt cycle was like. Was it a

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Speaker 1: ramp where a man on a motorcycle was like wedged

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Speaker 1: in and then you like pull the rip cord and

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Speaker 1: it shot off. Well, that's what Jerry was just talking about.

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Speaker 1: The version I had of the Evil Knevil. Stunt cycle

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Speaker 1: little motorcycle and doll on the motorcycle action figure would

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Speaker 1: you could click it into place, and then there was

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Speaker 1: a crank on the side and you cranked it, cranked it,

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Speaker 1: it would go flying off. Okay, but Jerry, you had

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Speaker 1: the rip chord one. She's misremembering. I think she realizes

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Speaker 1: I had something with the rip cord. It was like

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Speaker 1: a knockoff of it or something. You had the awful

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Speaker 1: canoffle Nice, which we'll get to, which actually a real

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Speaker 1: thing that was smart, not a real toy. There's a

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Speaker 1: real human who lived and die mute, butaute Montana. But

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Speaker 1: Evil Kinevil was a big deal for me as a kid,

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Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. I mean I was right in there

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Speaker 1: at like six and seven years old when he was

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Speaker 1: doing his biggest stunts on ABC Wide World of Sports

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Speaker 1: seemingly every weekend. Yeah. No, by the time I was

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Speaker 1: like becoming aware of the world, he had already spent

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Speaker 1: all his money in its bankrupt right Like you were

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Speaker 1: like seventeen, You're like whoa, where am I? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: a diaper? So part of this inspiration for picking this

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Speaker 1: was I saw the documentary being Evil a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: the Johnny Knoxville one. Yeah. Good, Um, it's not bad.

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Speaker 1: Oh Johnny Knoxville is at homegoing. Yes, I mean it

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Speaker 1: wasn't great, but um, I think the bar for documentaries

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Speaker 1: is higher than it's ever been entertaining you. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're making another five or six episodes of Making a Murderer.

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Speaker 1: That's what I heard. Um, it was okay. That wasn't bad.

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Speaker 1: Too many, too many interviews with modern day people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that can easily ruin a documentary talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: what he meant to them and stuff? Yeah, who cares? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go take your memories and go to hell. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you wholeheartedly. But it was good. It

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Speaker 1: was you know, I watched it on a plane. It

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Speaker 1: was worthwhile. Oh yeah, wait a minute, Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: you watch it on a plane and you weren't watching

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Speaker 1: us instead, I don't watch us. We're kind of funny,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm told. You're missing out. Pal Internet round

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Speaker 1: ups the finest thing anywhere. Alright, So Evil kin Evil

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Speaker 1: was born in October se and Butte, Montana. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: But back then I thought if it's genteel but um,

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Speaker 1: watching this documentary, Uh, he made a very strong point

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Speaker 1: men got into like there were fights every day. It

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Speaker 1: was just rampant fighting in misogyny in this town. I

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Speaker 1: He took that whole mentality and really ran with it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I read elsewhere, um that the the movie that

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Speaker 1: dialogue from George Hamilton as Evil Kine Evil and like,

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Speaker 1: said so long evil. Yeah. I'm not sure what happened

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Speaker 1: review of the Johnny Knoxville documentary. Yeah, just some other

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Speaker 1: lions and snakes right right in front of our eyes.

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Speaker 1: Can I please go, Mom and dad? Because you know

423
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: what snakes would do if a motorcycle crashed by him,

424
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: They would say go get him right that way. They

425
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: wouldn't slither off in fear for their life. They go

426
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: after they'd be like, now is there a chance, that's

427
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: a chance to take this guy out. So he was

428
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: putting on more and more of these solo shows, and

429
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: he realized he needed a sponsor if he wanted to

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Speaker 1: really kind of kick it up a notch. Yeah, because

431
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: he needed help. Yeah, he needed to not have to

432
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: write all the press releases himself, so he could hire folks. Here.

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00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: He got a sponsor named Bob Blair who owned zd

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Speaker 1: S Motors, and he kept them flush with motorcycles in

435
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Speaker 1: cash and um. He started his own stunt show, and

436
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: this is where he finally changed his name. Originally it

437
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: was called uh, I think Bobby kne Evil and his

438
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: motorcycle Daredevils. And then the guy the sponsor said, now

439
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: everyone knows he was Evil Knevil. Call yourself Evil Knevil.

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00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: He said, all right, but let's spill it with an

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Speaker 1: E because I don't you know, everyone knows I'm a

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00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: good guy. I'm a role model. Uh So then in

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00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: nineteen he debuts that show in Indio, California. Yeah, and

444
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: it was a big success, crashed through firewalls. Um, it

445
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: was a success, but he also was injured, right, sure,

446
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: he was well, this one was when he tried to

447
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: stand there on the ground. This was a big trick

448
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: he did, and he would leap up into the air

449
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: spread eagle in a motorcycle would drive between his legs. Okay,

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00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: so the one in India California went without a hitch.

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00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: It was the one a couple of weeks later in

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Speaker 1: Barstow where that didn't go so well. That trick, no,

453
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Speaker 1: And you can see this footage like, oh it's out there.

454
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't see that one. Yeah. Yeah, the

455
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: motorcycle helmet of the dry iber hit some square in

456
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: the crotch and he flips up like fifteen ft in

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Speaker 1: the air and lands on the ground. And he's not

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not wearing a helmet and pads on

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Speaker 1: this because he's on the ground. Oh why would he

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00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: He's not the one on the motorcycle. Yeah. So it

461
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: did not go well, to say the least. He Yeah,

462
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Speaker 1: he went into the hospital for a couple of weeks,

463
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: but when he came out, he went right back and

464
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: finished the show like a month later, and that became

465
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: a hallmark. If he couldn't finish the show, then he

466
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: would come back to the same town and complete the

467
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: jump that he crashed, and the crowd wouldn't be allowed

468
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Speaker 1: to leave the colosseum until they came back a month later.

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00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: We've been living here for four weeks and get pretty

470
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: gamy in those places. So then he decided to do

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Speaker 1: his own solo performances. Uh, the Daredevil show broke apart,

472
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: and he said, I don't need those guys anyway, and

473
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: started doing his solo shows. And then nineteen sixty six

474
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: in Montana, Missoula, he kind of had his first big

475
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: car jump where he drumped twelve jump twelve cars in

476
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Speaker 1: a cargo van, and he crashed that one as well.

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00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: He crashed a lot. He did crash a lot. I

478
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Speaker 1: think I saw that he landed as often as crashed,

479
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: but from going over like his stunts, it seems like

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00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: he crashed more than he landed. And he would usually

481
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Speaker 1: crash upon a semi successful land like he would hit

482
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Speaker 1: the ground and for a second you think he made it.

483
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Speaker 1: But keep in mind he was jumping a three hundred

484
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Speaker 1: pound street cycle like They modified it some over the years,

485
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: and he would eventually end up with the Harley XR

486
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: seven fifty is his main bike, but these were not

487
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Speaker 1: the bikes that they used to jump in the X Games,

488
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, not like not close, Like the things that

489
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: used today are built exactly for that. And did you

490
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Speaker 1: see the world record jump the current one? Dude, it's nuts.

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00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: How far is the jumped a football field? Oh wow,

492
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember how many feet it ended up being exactly,

493
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: but it's it looks like it's it's the most unbelievable

494
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. How far this guy jumps, and

495
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: how and how smooth it all went, like the take off,

496
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: the approach, the landing, it was all just like butter

497
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: was it? Tony Hawker did it? I think it was.

498
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: But you watched like this guy's jumped today, and how

499
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: does flawless and beautiful and graceful it is? And then

500
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: evil evils jumps and it's funny by comparison because he

501
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: was clearly a skilled motorcycle rider. I'm not saying that,

502
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, oh man, no, he could like ride a

503
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: moorcycle standing on it. Yeah, doing all sorts of cool tricks.

504
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a three pounds is a definite handicap,

505
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: and jumping cars and things and busses, well yeah, and

506
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: when you and when you look at the footage compared

507
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: to today. What your immediate thought is is this guy

508
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: had no idea what he was doing, you know, and

509
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: he didn't. He wasn't studying the science of it, so

510
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: he started. His whole thing was when he would come

511
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: back to a town, the same town to get people

512
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: to come, he would just add another car too, just

513
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: make it bigger. People wanted to see longer, farther jumps,

514
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: or a different kind of car, like in Yakima, Washington.

515
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: He once jumped or tried to jump a number of

516
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: Pepsi trucks. I think like twelve or fifteen Pepsi trucks. Um,

517
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: it didn't make it, but that's unusual Pepsi trucks. Who's

518
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: ever tried that before probably got money from Pepsi. They

519
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: was sponsored by Pepsi or gray Hound busses. He jumped, though,

520
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: so he would or stacked cars. I think he might

521
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: still hold the record for the number of stacked crushed cars,

522
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: because someone does that anymore. He jumped on a hardly,

523
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: specifically a hardy, which I think probably ties and I

524
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't understand it before until you said that that probably

525
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: ties into that that the record is on Harley because

526
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: these days. There is a well, there's a dude now

527
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: that's trying to recreate some of his jumps using that

528
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: same bike. Oh really, yeah, is his name Eddie Braun

529
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: M I don't know. I didn't get his name. There's

530
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: a dude who's a stunt man, pretty well known stunt

531
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: man named Eddie Braun or Brown. I'm not sure. He's

532
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: recreating the Snake River jump this September. Oh, I saw

533
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: that in the news, like it was in the news yesterday. Yeah. Crazy,

534
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. Evil Kin Evil stars

535
00:31:36,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: rising and my eyes are getting heavy, So chuck evil

536
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: Kin Evil. In uh sixties seven, he started to make

537
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: a name for himself. He'd been on the Joey Bishop

538
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Show and he was going to see a heavyweight fight

539
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: in Vegas, and while he was there, he noticed the

540
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: fountains in front of Caesar's Palace and he was like,

541
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I think I should jump those. They spoke to him,

542
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: apparently there'd be a fine thing to jump, and so

543
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: he started to try. His start had risen, but he

544
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as famous as he would be in the

545
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: next few years, so he couldn't immediately get in touch

546
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: with the President of Caesar's which he needed to because

547
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: you got to get permission for that kind of thing

548
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: or sponsorship or money or something. So he needed Caesar's, Um,

549
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: Caesar's CEO, I think Jay Sarno is his name. Uh,

550
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: he needed his blessing or his help with it. And

551
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: so to do that get this, he decides he's going

552
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: to jump Caesar's in to in November. After just two months,

553
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: he's got the whole thing set up and is doing

554
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: the jump. Yeah, but he had two year's eve nineteen seven,

555
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: is what happened. He had to hound the guy though

556
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: to get him to do it, and he actually kind

557
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: of um duped him a little bit. Yeah, he made up.

558
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: He made a series of calls from as different people. Um.

559
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes he was a lawyer calling Sarno. Sometimes he was

560
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: an executive from ABC TV. Sometimes he was from Sports Illustrated,

561
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: asking like is this jump gonna happen? I keen hearing

562
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: about this, and he would like he would take care

563
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: to mispronounce Evil Kinevil's name, his own name, very smart

564
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: to make it sound like he didn't It wasn't him,

565
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: because what man would mispronounce his own name? And so

566
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: I guess Sarno was like, I don't know who this

567
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 1: guy is, but everyone's calling me all of a sudden, Right,

568
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: couldn't they all sound similar? But they all pronounced his

569
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: name differently, so couldn't be him. And it worked. And

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00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: I think he'd already been on ABC's Wide World of

571
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Sports before, right, And so he went to them and said, hey, dudes,

572
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: you guys want this, and they said no, but film

573
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: it and if it's awesome, maybe we'll buy it from you.

574
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Then it was awesome. Yeah, it was very awesome. He

575
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: hired his own film crew to the filmmaker John Derek Bow,

576
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Derek's later husband. Okay, at the time, he was married

577
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: to Lynda Evans from Dynasty. Dynasty who actually filmed. Yeah,

578
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: she the very famous shot of the crash was her camera.

579
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: Supposedly she was the operator, the lady from Dynasty. Uh,

580
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: So he privately hired people to film it. It was

581
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: the very he made it over the fountain. It was

582
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful jump hit the ramp and he hit it

583
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: with such force that his hands were just ripped off

584
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: of the handlebars and he looked like super Dave Osborne

585
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: going over the handlebars, and he just looked like a

586
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: straw dummy flopping around on the ground, and um, it was.

587
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: It was a magnificent crash. It really is. It's tough

588
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: to watch, but I think magnificent is the right word.

589
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: Spectacular crash and he um. He went back to ABC

590
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, we definitely want this footage,

591
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: and he said, well, it's a lot more expensive now,

592
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: So it kind of worked out for him. We needed foresight,

593
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: so Chuck that when ABC buys this and puts it

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00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: on Wild Wide World of Sports, Evil Kine Evil Stars

595
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: made yes, right, yep, legit star and that's it. That's

596
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: the end of Evil k that's the end of Evil

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00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: Kin Evil Part one. Oh yeah, we're gonna do a

598
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: two part of huh yeah, this story is so robust

599
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: that we're gonna have to split it up into two parts.

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Speaker 1: And uh but we'll do a regular listener mail and

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00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: sign off right, yeah, let's um. If you want to

602
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: know more of Evil Kannevil, just you wait for part two. Agreed.

603
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, while you're waiting, it's time for

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00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: listener mail. I'm gonna call this, Oh interestingly, it's about

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00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: ad breaks. Hey, guys, love the show, you guys are

606
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: the dope show. For sure. I am already a researcher

607
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: by trade, but your amazing podcast makes me the annoyance

608
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: of all my friends because I suddenly seemed to know

609
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: about something from everything from poop to nuclear bombs to Barbie.

610
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: But I'm writing in because I've noticed that when you

611
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Chuck prompt a commercial break, he always poses as a

612
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: question to you, Josh. Uh, like, Josh, you want, you know,

613
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: you want to take a break? Uh? Josh always so

614
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: willingly complies. Do you ever think he'll say no? Have

615
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: you ever said no, Josh? Has there ever been a

616
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: time where you're on such a role and Chuck asked

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00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: and you just want to say no in defiance, I'm

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00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna let you answer that. Uh. Sometimes I will actually

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00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 1: suggest an ad break and Chuck will say no, let's

620
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: finish this one part, and I'll say, Okay, that gets

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00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: edited out though, right, that's what she didn't get. Uh. Likewise, Chuck,

622
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: have you ever worried that Josh will deny your request

623
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: for a commercial break in a coup style? I don't know,

624
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: but every time Chuck says should we take a break,

625
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I just sit on the edge of my seat, waiting

626
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: to see if Josh pulls the fasts one on us. Anyway,

627
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: you guys are great. Keep on being you eagerly awaiting

628
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: the uprising, alright, Ash Hill, and we'll keep an eye

629
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: out for it. Then maybe we just will do that.

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00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: I will do that, all right. Yeah, I'm sick of

631
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