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Speaker 1: How are we doing? Just a couple of days away

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty clear that healthy organizations, the owner is

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Speaker 1: are head coaches or coordinators. Right, Jonathan Kraft has been

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Speaker 1: obsessed with being the boss, but he never was going

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Speaker 1: to get to do that with Bill, and now he's there.

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Speaker 1: And listen, there's one thing about being the boss. Hey,

432
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Speaker 1: before you make a trade, check in with me and

433
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: being hand in hand and heavily involved. When I had

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Speaker 1: the Mayok interview a couple weeks ago, someone that I

435
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: kind of loosely knew sent me a text that he

436
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Speaker 1: really enjoyed the interview and that he was basically excited

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Speaker 1: for my success or whatever. And we started DM and

438
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Speaker 1: he was there the whole time. About Gruden and people

439
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: think I talk a lot of shit about the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: A lot of it's tongue in cheek and I make

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Speaker 1: fun of them. But I've always given Mark Davis credit

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Speaker 1: for this, and this guy reiterated this when Mark hired John,

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Speaker 1: just like he did with Jack do Rio and just

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Speaker 1: like he did with Josh McDaniels, do whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: just like I know Jed Yorke does with the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers, or Denver is now doing with Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: or Clark Hunt does with Andy Reid, or any of

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Speaker 1: these teams the Giants do with Joe, Shane and Brian.

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Speaker 1: You hire these guys to make the decisions. Let them

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Speaker 1: make the decisions. But Jonathan Kraft has been dreaming about

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Speaker 1: the day that he gets to start doing this shit.

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Speaker 1: Why no different than why a lot of presidents of

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Speaker 1: NFL teams put their hands in with the GM. No

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Speaker 1: one gives a shit about sweet sales and selling the

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Speaker 1: naming rights and all the deals you do on the side,

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Speaker 1: even though that makes your owner hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: They don't do shows talking about that. Fans do not

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Speaker 1: care what we talk about. What fans talk about, what

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Speaker 1: people that fall football talk about are the players and

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Speaker 1: the coaches. So this guy, which listen, I don't, I've

461
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Speaker 1: never met, the guy always kind of had him red flagged.

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Speaker 1: I think this was the most predictable thing we could

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Speaker 1: have seen coming, and part of the reason I'm anti

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Speaker 1: believing in this franchise for the foreseeable future because I

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Speaker 1: took an educated guess that this would happen. Now it's

466
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Speaker 1: pretty clear like it's happening, and I think there is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of I think there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of jealousy over the years with Jonathan Craft of Bill

469
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Speaker 1: not treating him like an equal slash. He didn't get

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Speaker 1: to do anything, and now he does. He got Bill

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Speaker 1: out of there. He doesn't even have quote unquote technically

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Speaker 1: a GM because they refused to name one. He has

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Speaker 1: a head coach that, let's face it, dried mail. Pretty

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Speaker 1: impressive guy, was a really good player, would not have

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Speaker 1: been a head coach anywhere else in the NFL. So

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Speaker 1: he gets to run puppet Master, and anytime the owner

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Speaker 1: gets to run puppet Master, you're fucked. Saw it happen

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Speaker 1: with Dan Snyder for a long time. And unlike Jonathan Craft,

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Speaker 1: who was born into the wealth, Dan Snyder made his

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Speaker 1: own money. Dan Snyder came from nothing, made all of

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Speaker 1: his own was a billionaire by his like mid early thirties.

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Speaker 1: So it shows you man the ego, the power when

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Speaker 1: you yearn for it and then you didn't even create it.

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Speaker 1: The reason the Patriots are worth billions is because of

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Speaker 1: three men. Robert Kraft had the balls to buy the team,

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Speaker 1: and by the part if you watch the documentary The

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Speaker 1: One Cool Parties, he bought the parking lot and everything

488
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Speaker 1: around it and kind of had him by the balls.

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Speaker 1: And then he hired Bill Belichick when no one else

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Speaker 1: would have, and he gave Bill full rain, which led

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Speaker 1: to him drafting not only Tom Brady, but then a

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Speaker 1: year later basically telling Drew Bledsoe, you're never playing, not

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Speaker 1: gonna be a starter anymore, change the franchise, and for

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Speaker 1: twenty plus years turned them into a dynasty and an

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Speaker 1: absolute cash cow. Jonathan Kraft wants to make his mark now,

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Speaker 1: good luck, buddy. I'm betting against you. Some NFL stories

497
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Speaker 1: that I saw today, Matt Ryan, the Falcons put out

498
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Speaker 1: something officially retired. I mean, he was retired last year,

499
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Speaker 1: but I think because I remember Florio writing about this,

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Speaker 1: the way his signing bonus was, he couldn't officially retire.

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Speaker 1: They could have forced him to pay some back, so

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Speaker 1: it was right business move. I would have done the

503
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: same thing I look today in the history of the league. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously this will change over the next decade as the

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Speaker 1: cap keeps going up. In these quarterback contracts, there are

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Speaker 1: three guys in NFL history who have made more money

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Speaker 1: than Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan made three hundred and three

508
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Speaker 1: million dollars playing football. Aaron Rodgers highest paid player in

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Speaker 1: league history. Tom Brady, you go, he took discounts. Well,

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Speaker 1: he played for twenty five years, so about twenty of

511
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Speaker 1: those he was making it, you know, double digit millions,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, ten to twenty plus, so it adds up

513
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Speaker 1: over time. And then Matt Stafford, who benefited a lot

514
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Speaker 1: like Matt Ryan, from coming into the league when the

515
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Speaker 1: contracts for rookies were really high, so you made a

516
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Speaker 1: lot earlier, and he signed some big contracts since. But

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan had a good career. He's just kind of

518
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Speaker 1: somewhere a lot better than the middle of the road,

519
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: but never was to me. His one season turns out

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Speaker 1: like very Kyle Shanahan dependent, solid player, also a little

521
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Speaker 1: bit of a relic. You don't really see that type

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Speaker 1: player anymore. I mean, look at this draft. Cayleb Williams

523
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Speaker 1: can move, Jayden Daniels, really good athlete, Drake May athlete,

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy athlete, Even Michael Pennix, who doesn't really play

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Speaker 1: like an athlete. Ran a four or five five. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was a bad foot athlete, but came into

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Speaker 1: a generation full of pocket passers and one of the Most

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Speaker 1: Valuable Player of the Year award, a little like Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton had one defining year, some other solid years, and

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Speaker 1: both guys, I mean, Matt Ryan's is worse, but Cam

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Speaker 1: two kind of remembered for just a disaster in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean, most people and I think Cam's

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Speaker 1: an all time great talent, but I bet a lot

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Speaker 1: of money against him in that Super Bowl, and a

535
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Speaker 1: lot of people don't forget that not diving for the fumble, right,

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was up twenty eight to three and they

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00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: blew that lead, and you could say, well, Kyle Shanahan

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00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: was going passes, well Matt was fucking him up. Now

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Speaker 1: the strip fumble, sack whatever, where he fumbled and the

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00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Patriots got it wasn't all his fault, miss blocked. But

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Speaker 1: still guy made a lot of money, won an MVP,

542
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Speaker 1: and for and half looked like he was going to

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Speaker 1: be a Super Bowl champion. So financially it was an

544
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Speaker 1: incredible career. I love the stories that kind of slowly

545
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: leaked out. You don't know what to believe. So I

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00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: headlined today from my guy Jordan Ronan that said the

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00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Giants are enamored with Drake May. I actually had a

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Speaker 1: scout the other day because I was like, I texted

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Speaker 1: my mock draft. I said, what do you think? I

550
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: was kind of screwing around, but also just see what

551
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Speaker 1: he would say. I put Drake May at number two.

552
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: He said, if I was a betting manbously, I'm not,

553
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: because you get in trouble for that in the NFL.

554
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: I would bet that Drake May falls out of the

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00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: top five before he went number two overall. And I

556
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: was just in the car because I had to go

557
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: pick something up across town, and I was flipping the

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Speaker 1: radio channels my series XM that I pay twenty nine

559
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Speaker 1: point nine for, which comes in handy that new bluetooth

560
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: in my car. I don't the sound quality is crappy.

561
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to get a better one, but the

562
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Speaker 1: one I have I might just toss. But I was

563
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Speaker 1: flipping around. I somehow ended up on NBC Radio and

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Speaker 1: it was Sims and Florio talking and Chris said something,

565
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Speaker 1: and listen, you can nitpick some things, Chris Sims says,

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Speaker 1: but he says Drake May is a fascinating guy because

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Speaker 1: you could talk to five different teams and they got

568
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Speaker 1: them all over the map. Some teams don't even have

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Speaker 1: them as a top four quarterback. You hear something that

570
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: like them a lot. I do wonder. I don't falling

571
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: is all relative, because I even said, god, Drake May

572
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: would fall out of the top five, and my buddy's like,

573
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: I hate that term. I would push back a little

574
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: bit because Drake May coming into this college football season,

575
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: was viewed as the number two quarterback. Easily Caleb was

576
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: viewed as the number one guy. He was viewed as

577
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: the number two guy. Nick Saban he was offered five

578
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: million dollars from the SEC and he turned it down.

579
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: Now he had a down year with some clearly plays

580
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: that Levy scratch in your head. I just wonder, he's

581
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: a fascinating guy. And this gets back to the Patriots.

582
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: Why I wonder if they don't feel great JJ McCarthy

583
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: at three that's pretty bold, especially when your team sucks,

584
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: that feels destined to fail, and maybe Drake May being

585
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: a project, they don't feel great about it. So I

586
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the Giants, what if the Giants could

587
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Speaker 1: just stay at six and get Drake May. As crazy

588
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: as that sounds, but you have to wonder if it's

589
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Speaker 1: on the table. I hadn't even thought it was an option,

590
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: but textan around a little bit. Who knows, like going

591
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: at six, Like we've seen a lot of great quarterbacks

592
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: go seven, ten, twelve. I think we all just assume,

593
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: and everyone's rooting for it in the NFL that doesn't

594
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: need a quarterbacks for four quarterbacks to go one through four.

595
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly Bill Belichick as an NFL historian, but

596
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: I know enough to know that's never happened in NFL history. Now,

597
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: just because something hasn't happened before, it doesn't mean it

598
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: won't happen. But it would still be the first time

599
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: for a reason because it's pretty rare. Now. Part of

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Speaker 1: it is like Trent Williams or Lane Johnson or Miles

601
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Garrett or Nick Bosa isn't in this draft because if

602
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: they were, the Cardinals would just take one of those players,

603
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: or maybe the Patriots would as well. But it's gonna

604
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: be Drake May's. It's gonna be an interesting one to watch.

605
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: Could go three, could go six. Eagles. You know, whenever

606
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: I see a story Howie Roseman sniffing around like yes,

607
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: what how he does that? How he's thinking about trading

608
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: up the one thing that there might be some merit

609
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: behind this and substance, because if you're the Eagles, like

610
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: you're kind of gonna go all in on this season.

611
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Speaker 1: So if you love a corner, a player that you

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Speaker 1: think can be a plug and play starter for you

613
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: week one and you know, like, hey, we got to

614
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: get up seven eight spots, maybe this is time to

615
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: do it. You got a team that's relatively loaded with talent,

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00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: and you have a clear weakness. You know, Slay not

617
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: quite the same player. Brad Berry was a disaster. He

618
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: did draft a corner i think last year from Georgia,

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Speaker 1: but there's no guarantee, just like there's no guarantee if

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Speaker 1: you trade up to get a guy. But if you

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Speaker 1: love a guy and you think he's the best corner

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Speaker 1: in the draft and you can get him at fourteen

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Speaker 1: or fifteen, wouldn't shock me at all. Of how he

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00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: you know, because usually he's kind of wheeling a dealing

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Speaker 1: the other way accumulate more picks. You know, he's done

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Speaker 1: it befo for the future picks. What if this is

627
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Speaker 1: the year where he puts more chips on the table.

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Speaker 1: Does you know what I'm moving up eight spots? Here's

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Speaker 1: two seconds. I don't exactly know what the trade would be.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to know where he kind of wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: But maybe a player. I don't know. I could see

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Speaker 1: how he having a curveball in this draft. Okay, time

633
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Speaker 1: for a little thing we call the mailbag at John

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Speaker 1: Middlecoffe as the Instagram fire in those dms, get your

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00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: question answered here on the show Easy to Do. Start

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00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: with the lane. Was listening to your latest podcast where

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Speaker 1: you mentioned you listen to a lot of business podcasts.

638
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: I love the all In podcast. If you've heard of them,

639
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: It's one of my go tos. All In in the Compound,

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Speaker 1: I would say. I would say all In it's kind

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Speaker 1: of a hybrid business political. If you just want more

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Speaker 1: business finance, less political, I would say that. Josh Brown

643
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Speaker 1: Stuff and animal Spirits. Question for the mailback. Do you

644
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Speaker 1: think the Seahawks would be better off drafting a solid

645
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: line player at sixteen this year and then either lose

646
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: their way or trade their way to a top pick

647
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: for a quarterback next year, or take Pennix this year.

648
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Speaker 1: It's a good question. I think we might have a

649
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Speaker 1: DM coming in later because I saw it when I

650
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: was just kind of scrolling through of a guy pushing

651
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: back against the Geno hate. There's no Geno hate. Geno's

652
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: story is fantastic, but he kind of is what he is.

653
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's never gonna be. I just don't

654
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Speaker 1: see him as a top fourteen quarterback. And here's the thing.

655
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: You do have Pennix's OC. You know Grubb who went

656
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: with do Board to Alabama. Then Seattle hired them to

657
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: be the OC, so you could never discount them as

658
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: a sleeper moving up to do that. But sometimes I

659
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: think we overvalue some of those college connecttions. But you

660
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: never know. Here's actually the DM about Seattle become a

661
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: big fan. I'm a Seahawks fan and not totally understand

662
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: the Geno hate. Yes, there is definitely a stigma around

663
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: the league about him. I don't think there's a stigma.

664
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Speaker 1: People were just impressed with his rise and then we've

665
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: watched him play for two years and we just kind

666
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: of say, I'm solid quarterback, but not good enough, especially

667
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: in that division, Like he's not as good as Brock Purty.

668
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: And he's definitely not as good as Matt Safford and

669
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: he's not as good as Calum Murray. But as someone

670
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Speaker 1: who watches every game, he can be the guy. He

671
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: can make all the throws only a handful of guys

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Speaker 1: in the league, and I believe his maturity is now

673
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: to be great. I think the Seahawks play calling the

674
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: last couple of years has been truthfully holding him back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I feel like everyone shit on

676
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: Seattle's play calling for a decade, and for the last

677
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: like five six years of the defense has been the problem.

678
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Speaker 1: I don't view it as your play calling. Shade Waldron's

679
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: pretty good b milec any day, So I think that's

680
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Speaker 1: kind of a I don't want to say lazy, because

681
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: that's your opinion, and I listen, most people, unless you're

682
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: OC's like Andy Reid helped Kyle Shanahan take shit. Sean

683
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: mcvayh doesn't really because their fan base is kind of weird.

684
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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. I just I have

685
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Speaker 1: a hard time with Gino Smith like saying that he's

686
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: like some high end guy. He's not. He's not, and

687
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. He's been damn good. He's

688
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: kept you guys very relevant these last couple of years,

689
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: and because of the way he's played, made the Russell

690
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: Wilson trade look even better because you guys didn't bought

691
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Speaker 1: him out. You guys were solid and made the playoffs

692
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: two years ago and are right there this year. But

693
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Speaker 1: is he like the answer? No, that's my opinion. Maybe

694
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Speaker 1: you're right. Maybe John Schneider believes that. I would doubt it,

695
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: but who knows. Draft question was talking about best player

696
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Speaker 1: available versus need? What about most likely or not likely

697
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Speaker 1: to succeed? Well, I mean that's whatever you're drafting a

698
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Speaker 1: guy you feel that, especially high, he's gonna succeed. For example,

699
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Speaker 1: if you want to draft a quarterback but have no

700
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Speaker 1: line or wide receivers, not everyone is transcendent talent that

701
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Speaker 1: can overcome that same with a wide receiver who has

702
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Speaker 1: no quarterback or corner with no pass rush. Does the

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Speaker 1: team have the right infrastructure for success? I believe we're

704
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Speaker 1: responsible for own success, But some guys are put in

705
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: nearly impossible situations. Those teams might be better off drafting

706
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: a stud defensive tackle and putting him next to a

707
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Speaker 1: good defensive tackle and not waste quote unquote a high

708
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Speaker 1: draft pick who has such a high probability to fail

709
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Speaker 1: given the roster thoughts totally agree. I would say most

710
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: of us, if we're gonna succeed, are gonna find a

711
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: will in a way to succeed in whatever we do, podcasting, sales, whatever,

712
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: because we can leave company and ease started our own.

713
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: We have so much control over our own destiny. Anyone

714
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: listening to this right now who's struggling in a bad job,

715
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: like this is America. You can leave at any moment.

716
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: You can quit your job tomorrow, give two week notice

717
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's not true for professional athletes, right, So

718
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: some players now, I do think for the most part, guys,

719
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: true colors come out over time. But young people confidence

720
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: is a huge I would say catalysts towards success, and

721
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Speaker 1: it's easy to destroy it. So at quarterback, I would

722
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Speaker 1: say corner somewhat wide receivers. I mean, we've seen a

723
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Speaker 1: lot of great receivers play with a lot of shitty quarterbacks,

724
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: and everyone knows like this guy's awesome, Like no one

725
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: thinks DeVante sucks just because his quarterback plays was bad

726
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: last year. Right. Larry Fitzgerald played half his career with

727
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: crappy quarterbacks, but a quarterback you go like if Drake May,

728
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Speaker 1: who is viewed as a project, goes to the New

729
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: England Patriots where the owner's kid thinks he's a genius,

730
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: the head coach has been coaching for like five years,

731
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf doesn't even have the title of GM Like,

732
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: it could get weird, and it'd get weird fast, and

733
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Speaker 1: it could derail any chances of the guy's success. It's

734
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Speaker 1: why my take last week was like, why not just

735
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Speaker 1: trade back and start building the team now? The problem

736
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Speaker 1: is the owners, like if they were to win three

737
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: or four games, they're not used to getting shited on,

738
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Speaker 1: and it's one thing to get shipped on. Everyone's pointing

739
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: the finger at Bill. There's no Bill to be the

740
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: shield now. So everyone in Boston would come after the

741
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: Craft family, before Mayo, before Elliot Wolf, before Drake May.

742
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: They're under the gun. That's why my theory is that

743
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: they're going to take quarterback because it kind of takes

744
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: a little pressure off them because everyone's talking about the quarterback.

745
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: Could be wrong with that theory, but we'll see question

746
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: for the back. It seems consensus top six quarterbacks in

747
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: this draft are Caleb, Jayden May, McCarthy, Penix, and Knicks.

748
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: Two years ago, Spencer Ratler was considered worthy of the

749
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Speaker 1: top overall pick by some. If the Rams draft Rattler

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Speaker 1: with the eighty third pick and he sits behind Stafford

751
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: and then takes over assuming Stafford retires after this year,

752
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: is it crazy to think he would become one of

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Speaker 1: the most successful quarterbacks of the draft class a few

754
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Speaker 1: years from now. Well, if you tell me any quarterback

755
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Speaker 1: gets drafted in the top one hundred by the Rams,

756
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Speaker 1: I would say, if that guy has an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: play in the next eighteen months. So if Stafford were

758
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: to get hurt this year or that scenario you just

759
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: laid out, I would bet on that guy's chances. With McVeigh,

760
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: the infrastructure, the young talent they have on offense, over

761
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: depending on where these other guys go. So so much

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Speaker 1: young quarterback is how you land. And I also think

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Speaker 1: when you're a later round pick, there's less pressure on you.

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Speaker 1: Part of being Jaden Daniels or Jay or Drake May

765
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: or JJ McCarthy. If they all get drafted really high,

766
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: there's a ton of pressure that comes with that, and

767
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: when you fuck up, they eat you alive. They eat you.

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00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: It's like when a kicker gets drafted really high in

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Speaker 1: the third round. Let's say Saw with the Niners. Remember

770
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: years ago with Tampa. The moment that guy starts missing

771
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: kicks in practice, it is a major story. If that

772
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: guy's an undrafted free agent, no one's even talking about it.

773
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: When you're a high round pick at any position, what

774
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: you do in training camp is talked about. I don't

775
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: know five x more. We all know this. We all

776
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: follow our teams and follow the league. Those high picks

777
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: are discussed at just a rate that is not comparable

778
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Speaker 1: to the other picks on the team. Even if other

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Speaker 1: picks on the team turn out to be way better players,

780
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Speaker 1: that's not the way it is early on in their career.

781
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: Never forget Jamar Chase's training camp. He couldn't catch a cold.

782
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: It's like, this guy's a bust. Can I catch the football?

783
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: Turned out he's pretty good. Oh. I just think that

784
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: pressure that comes along with these high picks. That's part

785
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: of getting eaten alive. No one wants to wait for you.

786
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: We have no patience. None of these owners financially worry

787
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: about if he sucks, whatever I can pay it off,

788
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: We're gone. The bonus is already paid. It's not that

789
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: much money. See him move on. It's why some of

790
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: these mid round picks or even second day picks get

791
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: to kind of ease into their career. Derek Carr second

792
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: round pick. There was less pressure on him early on,

793
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Speaker 1: even Jimmy Garoppolo, who was pretty famous by the time

794
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: the Niners got him. Even after that they signed him

795
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: to a big contract. But the pressure that comes along

796
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: with like, God, this guy was the third pick in

797
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: the draft. That's part of Zach Wilson's downfall. It's like, wait,

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00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: this guy's second pick in the train after no different

799
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Speaker 1: for the number one overall pick. I mean, the pressure

800
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Speaker 1: on Caleb is I would say, I don't want to

801
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: say ten x because the pressure on whoever Washington takes

802
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: pretty high. But Caleb's pressure is way higher because he's

803
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: been billed as the top guy for years. He was

804
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: just the top recruit, the highest paid guy in college football,

805
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: the no brainer, number one overall pick. There's a lot

806
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: of pressure, and if he handles it seamlessly and becomes

807
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: a great player, that's impressive. It just is even if

808
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: he has the god given ability, which he clearly physically

809
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: has the traits to play the quarterback at a high level.

810
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: But if you can just handle the pressure, I'd be

811
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Speaker 1: I'd be impressed. I've said all along. If he just

812
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: becomes like a top twelve quarterback, Bears are in good shape.

813
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: He becomes a star, obviously, it's game changer. Hope you're

814
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: enjoying your weekend candid opinions. No one was putting out

815
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: the quality and quantity like you. I didn't need to

816
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: read that, but he wrote it. I'm an officer in

817
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: the Army currently stationed in Germany. We appreciate your service, Benjamin.

818
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm a diehard Lions fan, and I'm thrilled with the trajectory,

819
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: although catching night games at one in the morning can

820
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: be rough. What are your thoughts on Holmes trading back

821
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: out of the first round? Is he obligated to make

822
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: a big splash on the big stage with the draft

823
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: in Detroit? Appreciate it. I also lived in Davis from

824
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: twenty ten to twenty thirteen when my dad was stationed there.

825
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: He worked as an army instructor at UC Davis and

826
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Speaker 1: Sack State Small World. My dad was a UC Davis alone,

827
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: so were a lot of my friends. It's been eighteen

828
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: years in that little town. They are not obligated by

829
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Speaker 1: any means. One they're drafting. What's a draft pick twenty nine?

830
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Speaker 1: How does it go? Yeah, it goes Lions, Ravens, nine Ers, Chiefs.

831
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Speaker 1: So let's face it, when you draft that late, ideally

832
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: you trade back a couple spots and go the second

833
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: round because you're drafting a guy most of the time

834
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: that's not a first round pick, but you're paying him

835
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: first round money, so he is, by no means obligated

836
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: to do anything. They could just stay and take a player,

837
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: but he's just because the drafts in your home city,

838
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: he's there. They're not at the draft, they're in their

839
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: war room. So it's I hear what you're saying. They

840
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: just need to draft some couple of good players. Whether

841
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: it turns out to be your third and fourth round pick,

842
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: or whether it's your first second round pick. I don't know.

843
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't have your draft board. I don't know if

844
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: you have all those picks. But assuming you do, you

845
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: guys are a couple of pieces away. If golf keeps

846
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: playing well from compete for the Super Bowl. I mean, hell,

847
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: you did this year so I wouldn't worry about the

848
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: splash on draft night because it's in Detroit. Say Brock's

849
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: Brock wins a super Bowl this year. Do you think

850
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 1: despite him I'm winning a super Bowl, he will still

851
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: be seen as a quarterback that is something to prove

852
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: come contract time. Would it be seen as he won

853
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: because of his weapons? I just think people forget it

854
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: takes a long time to shake stuff. And you know,

855
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: the perception of you when you're a draft pick late

856
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: becomes your reality. It took Tom Brady like six seven

857
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: years to shake that he was like a top guy

858
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: people every universally everyone thought Peyton Manning was better and

859
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: that Tom was carried by his defenses. That's why a

860
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: big a lot of people are mad at the dynasty

861
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: because it just skipped over to of the super Bowl

862
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: teams after they won the initial one. I mean it

863
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: took Tom till two thousand and seven, did you win

864
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: the MVP? And they went undefeated to the super Bowl

865
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: that everyone just acknowledged, like, yeah, he's right there. He's

866
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: as good, if not beat and Peyton and he had

867
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: won three super Bowls. So this conversation's not gonna end

868
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: no matter what how the season goes. Unless he unless

869
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: he throws forty five touchdown Super Bowl MVP, and it's

870
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: so great, no one can say anything. But if he

871
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: has the same season as last year and they win

872
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, these fucking guys on TV are gonna

873
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: say the same shit. It's not gonna stop, and they'll

874
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: just craft their argument down a different lane. I'll promise

875
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: you we're years away from settling this. I mean we're

876
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: it's just accepted considering, you know, I guess bapping it

877
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: out that he continues to play at a high level.

878
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: But if he has the same season as he did

879
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: last year, Pro Bowl guy, one of the best quarterbacks

880
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: in the NFC, very good statistical season, Niners win twelve

881
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: thirteen games, and they win the Super Bowl, I don't

882
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: think it changes that much. Like, really, how good has

883
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: this team been? What's it gonna be like? Once they

884
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: pay him? The pressure of being paid? Can he handle it?

885
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: Seen this story a million times, happens all the time. Now,

886
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: if he had been if Trey Lance had done what

887
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: he was doing, if you just remove the name Brock

888
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: party and just say Trey Lance had done what Brock

889
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: had done. The last couple of years, the conversation would

890
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: be dramatically different. The power of your draft slot stays

891
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: with you for a while. Fair not and a lot

892
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: of times it's unfair, but it does. What's up, John,

893
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: It's from CJ Lockdown follower. I discovered you on top

894
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: ten NFL Twitter accounts to follow article in the mid

895
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: twenty tens. Since deleted Twitter in twenty eighteen. Jealous question.

896
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: Give us the next position to have a precipitous rise

897
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: or fall in salary across the league relative to other positions.

898
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: You can go with number two wide receiver if you want.

899
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: But if you do throw a doorcourse at the end

900
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: something people don't see coming yet, well it's already here.

901
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: But these guys are going to continue to get paid

902
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot of money as these defensive tackles come in,

903
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: and you could even use that position as well. But

904
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: the guards and the defensive tackles. Offensive tackles have always

905
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: been paid a ton like defensive ends. When quarterback and

906
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: then those two positions. Obviously wide receivers jolted up now

907
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: with them, But think of the defensive tackles that have

908
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: came into this league over the last four or five years.

909
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: Last year we saw not last year, but a couple

910
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: months ago in free agency. These guards get seventeen, eighteen,

911
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: nineteen million dollars a year. I think Landon Dickerson got

912
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty. So we're a couple years of way

913
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: these premium guys, the defensive tackles making twenty five twenty eight,

914
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: guards making twenty three twenty four. That's pretty wild. You

915
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: could be like, well, how's a guard make more in

916
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: the high end tight ends? It's a fair argument, but

917
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see how the tight ends

918
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: catch up anytime soon, because no matter how long someone

919
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: holds out a kittle, maybe Laporta does it next time.

920
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: I want to be paid at Let's just say at

921
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: the time, the top wide receiver in three years is

922
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: making forty million dollars and Laporta with his new contract,

923
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: is set to make twenty and he goes. I've had

924
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: three season shattered records again this hypothetical. I've averaged ninety

925
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: five catches a year, averaged ten touchdowns. Like, what are

926
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: we talking about here? I Am not signing a contract

927
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: till I'm properly compensated. The teams won't do that because

928
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: it's all based on your previous position that signed to them,

929
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: So it just won't happen. These guards have already jolted

930
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: up in the range of twenty million dollars. Same with

931
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. You just had Chris Jones. Now he's the best,

932
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: but still he got what he's got three years, ninety

933
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: million dollars, Aaron Donald, you know, thirty plus million dollars

934
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: a year. So I think we'll see defensive tackles. You know,

935
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: if Jalen Carter were to hit or a guy like that,

936
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: obviously he's got a long way to go. But you

937
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean, we see these guys making forty

938
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars a year in the next over the

939
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: next six seven years, and the guard making thirty million

940
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: dollars a year. Meanwhile, the tight ends are, you know,

941
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: looking for scraps at seventeen, longtime packer fan from Wisconsin.

942
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: I've met a lot of people from Wisconsin in in Arizona.

943
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: I know, we had a house down, the two houses

944
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: actually right next to each other, on the market for

945
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: a lot of money, rooting for them to sell it.

946
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: In one of the houses, the people's stuff was for

947
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: the most part still in there, and they had a

948
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: bunch of Brett Favre jerseys in the kids room. Wanted

949
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: to know your honest take on Jordan Love in his ceiling.

950
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: The team is juiced with young talent, and I feel

951
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: like they could be one good draft away from being

952
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: right there as an NFC champion. Do you think he

953
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: had a flash in the pan. I was talking to

954
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: a buddy about this in the NFL and even he

955
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: was like, if you watch a couple of the right games,

956
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the best quarterbacks in the

957
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: NFL for those individual games. The difference between him and

958
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: Perty for example, Like Purdy is really smart and he's

959
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: actually a pretty explosive playmaker, but he doesn't have a

960
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: great arm. He's a pretty good athlete actually, but from

961
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: an arm strength standpoint, NFL standard is pretty average. Like

962
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: Jordan Love has a high end arm, so if you're

963
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: gonna be accurate and you can make these off platform

964
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: throws like he has Aaron Rodgers characteristics, I just get

965
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: nervous anytime a guy does it one time. I love

966
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. A lot of guys over the last

967
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: twenty years have won one time on the PGA Tour.

968
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: Not many guys can be like, yeah, fifteen wins, I

969
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: got twenty wins. I'm Scotty Scheffler. I've got ten wins

970
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: in the last two years. It's about doing it every

971
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: single year, and I just don't know. So one thing

972
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: I'll say about Brock now, he's put together. He did

973
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: it one year, then he got injured off season, came back,

974
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: played better, he does it again. It's like, well, he's

975
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: just can't even argue it. Like you said, he's a

976
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: good quarterback. If Jordan Love has another year, he's just

977
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: a good player. You got a long way to go, though,

978
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: a long way to go, I said yesterday on the

979
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: mail bag. Unless I get a relatively cheap extension. Obviously

980
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: last year, two years eleven million, that wouldn't be the

981
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: case now. But I would have no problem giving him

982
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: forty million dollars. If I see the first half of

983
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: this season, it's like he's a lock pro bowler, even

984
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: MVP type candidate. But I want to see a little more.

985
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Even if I believe in the guy, I like the guy,

986
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: the teammates like the guy. He's a clearly pretty talented player.

987
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: He's even done it a little bit, did it in

988
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs on the road in Dallas. Huge fan of

989
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: the pod from Australia. Love the blend of football expertise,

990
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: deep thought, business and humor. We we just you know, we

991
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 1: got to make this entertaining one for the mailbag. Big

992
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: Patriot fan, tell me if you think this trade back

993
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: situation is too ambitious, this is the only way I

994
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: trade out of the pick. Otherwise, I think May is

995
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: a stud and we should unequivocally take him. Trade with Minnesota.

996
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: They give us pick eleven and pick twenty three this year,

997
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, TJ Howkinson and a second rounder next year.

998
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Then at eleven we take Pennix and at twenty three

999
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: we take Keon Coleman or Mitchell. What do you reckon?

1000
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: Do you think they should throw in the Minnesota twins

1001
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: and Anthony Edwards as well. That's a lot, man, that's

1002
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot. Uh. That's not happening. I hear you, And

1003
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong. I mean, part of being ambitious is like, hey, guys,

1004
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: you want this pick here it is I think you

1005
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: guys would get celebrated if you got eleven, twenty three

1006
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: and Jordan Addison. He'd be like, wait, you just got

1007
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: their first round pick last year who's good whose contract

1008
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: was in the twenties, and you got eleven in twenty three,

1009
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: that would be pretty nuts. You could argue if they

1010
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: gave you eleven twenty three and next year's second rounder.

1011
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to think about it. Now. The

1012
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: forty nine ers went from twelve to three, and they

1013
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: gave up pick twelve and two other first rounders, So

1014
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the going rate. So eleven

1015
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: and twenty three twenty three is better than a future

1016
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: first rounder because it's now. I think the only thing

1017
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: you could ask for is one other first rounder. And

1018
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: remember the Bear said, hey give us DJ Moore because

1019
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: they viewed him as a first rounder talent, right under

1020
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: contract veteran player. So I would say eleven twenty three

1021
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: and Jordan Addison would be a fair ask. Or Hawkinson

1022
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: didn't Hawkinson tears ACL at the end of the season.

1023
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: Mine my imagining things. I thought that happened. CJ. Howkinson,

1024
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: injury Cace. I think that would be risky. I would

1025
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: do the deal if I knew I'd get Pennix at eleven,

1026
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: which there's no way to know at the time of

1027
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: the deal, but you probably could for eleven twenty three

1028
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: and Jordan Adison and maybe if if you really wanted

1029
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, hold their feet to the fire,

1030
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: throw in like a third round pick. But that's kind

1031
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: of the going rate, which is crazy for Minnesota to

1032
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: do that. I would say on the we saw with

1033
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, you're getting the third quarterback off

1034
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: the board. If anyone does that with the Patriots, like

1035
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: if the Giants trade up from six to three and

1036
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: take a quarterback, not as crazy. You're only moving up

1037
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: three spots cost youa you know, it won't cost you

1038
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: a first round pick. It'll cost you like second or

1039
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: third if you wouldn't mortgage the future eleven twenty three

1040
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: and another trun pick for the third quarterback. We just

1041
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: have evidence the forty nine ers did it, and it

1042
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: turned out to be like Bradley Chubb, Tyreek Hill and

1043
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: someone else like Micah Parson's. So you just I would

1044
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: not do that if I was in Minnesota. For a

1045
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 1: guy who wants to get a college degree then works

1046
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: in football, a degree in statistics would probably set him

1047
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: apart from the rest of people trying to break into

1048
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: the business. We had a question, I think last week

1049
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: a guy asked me what degree he should get to

1050
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: try to break into the football business, and my take was,

1051
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters that much. I just recommended

1052
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: like a general business degree, but statistics. I don't think

1053
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea either. It's not easy obviously, as

1054
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: a degree in communications or something like that. Both, everything

1055
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: moving toward analytics not a bad idea. I agree, A

1056
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: right statistics business anything numbers wise wouldn't hurt longtime Rams

1057
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: fan if according to the Lions coach Dan Campbell that

1058
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: Goff is a better quarterback now than he was with

1059
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 1: the Rams. Yet, when Goff went to the Super Bowl

1060
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: with McVeigh but only the NFC Championship with Campbell, isn't

1061
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: Campbell admitting that McVeigh is a better coach, you're like

1062
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Speaker 1: putting all the pieces together of the word scramble. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there was a draft, I like Dan Campbell,

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01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: I think he's better than most and I've defended him

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01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: now for a couple of years. But I think we

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Speaker 1: all agree if there was a quarter or a coach draft,

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay would go off the board before Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, there's a chance Sean McVay would be

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Speaker 1: the second coach off the board. Andy Reid would be

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Speaker 1: the Caleb Williams of the draft. He would go on,

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Speaker 1: and then I think the conversation would be who would

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Speaker 1: go to and I think it would probably be between

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Speaker 1: Kyle shannan and John McVay. Factoring in age, factoring in

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Speaker 1: the call plays. You know there's some owner. Sean Payton

1075
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: is just not easy to deal with. Uh, Hoodie's gone.

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01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: He couldn't even get a job. I mean, who are

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Speaker 1: the other playoff teams, SIRIANNI know McCarthy, No Harball, John Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh would be up near the mix too. I

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Speaker 1: mean you talk about the Harball's McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Like

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's not a top five pick, and I like

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, but like if I if I draft Dan

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Speaker 1: as Ben Johnson get to come to But Seohan McVay

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: is a better coach, and I would agree. I think

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01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: Jared got as he should be like you should be

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01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: better at thirty one years old than you were twenty

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01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: five years old as a player, and he is. We

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01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: had some people hit me up that it's Fugezi Fugazi

1088
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: Fugazi sounds better next to Friday. I agree, Fugazi Friday.

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01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: It just works. We're not changing it. I've had a

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01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: lot of because I always say that women don't listen

1091
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: to the podcast, I've had some slid into the DM

1092
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: saying listen, I'm female listener. I listen. Absolutely love your podcast,

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01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: founding through the volume. Listen every episode. Question for the

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: back lifelong Broncos fan. My nickname is Fat L Way.

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: It's a pretty good nickname. But given the Russell Wilson Fugazi,

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01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: I've taken more interest in my local team, the Cowboys.

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01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: Don't blame me. There's nothing worse than as a sports

1098
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: fan when your team just really sucks and is boring

1099
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: and is a tough watch, Like that's brutal. We all agreed.

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01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: A guy hit me up last year for those of

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01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: you knew, asked he was a Patriot fan and asked

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01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: if it was a okay to leave the team, and

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: we all agreed. No, you don't get twenty years of

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01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: sweetness and then a couple of rough years and get

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01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: to bounce. But the Broncos have been rough now it

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01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: feels like we're close to a decade. Like I mean,

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01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: a really really rough watch. Because I live on the

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01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: West Coast, I just see a lot of Broncos Chiefs,

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01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: Broncos Raiders, Broncos Chargers. I just see a lot of

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01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: Broncos games, and they are immediate channel change over the

1111
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: last couple of years. If there's a better game on,

1112
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: and part of it is in the afternoon window for

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01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: me and for anybody, but for the local game is

1114
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: like there's sometimes on a given week only a couple

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: of games, and I just end up seeing a lot

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01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: of Bronco games and they are they are a rough watch.

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Speaker 1: So I don't blame you for being like, hey, Sean,

1118
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: when you kind of figure this out, let us all know.

1119
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: But right now, this is a tough consumption. Do you

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Speaker 1: think there's any chance that the Cowboys are hoping to

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: let both McCarthy and Dak walk at the end of

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01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: the season and then hire Dion and trapt his son Shadoor.

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Speaker 1: If Deon Sanders is the coach of the Cowboys next year,

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Speaker 1: that'd be the most fucking incredible thing of all time

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01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: from an entertainment standpoint. Now, Deon Sanders is coached one

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01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: year in the Power five, granted team sucked that he

1127
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: took over, they won four games. How many games would

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Speaker 1: Deon have to win this year to make that move?

1129
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Speaker 1: Not the craziest move we've ever seen the history of sports.

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01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: If you told me he got the nine wins including

1131
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: the Bowl, I'd be like, Yeah, clearly he knows what

1132
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: he's doing. If he wins under six games, I just

1133
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: don't think you could make that move. You couldn't fire

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01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy for that. Listen, we can get on Mike McCarthy,

1135
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: but he knows what he's doing. And even firing McCarthy

1136
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: for Dion would be a pretty big stretch. But I

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: would sign up right now for Deon Sanders as a

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: Cowboy coach next year. That would be incredible. Probably more

1139
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: likely Verrabel Orbelichick, but I think he would be pretty interested.

1140
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: We have so Shador is a huge unknown, like how

1141
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: good he's gonna play this year? But if he has

1142
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: an up and down season, I just don't think he'd

1143
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 1: be a first round pick. Now. If he's really good

1144
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: and they're good than one percent, he will be. But

1145
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: I think we got to pump the brakes a little

1146
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: bit on on his draft hype because last year, as

1147
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: the season went on was a joke. I mean it

1148
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: was a rough watch, so I I don't know that's interesting.

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01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought about that. I'd be on board, though.

1150
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: I really would appreciate the year round football content as

1151
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: a young guy in his twenties. I appreciate the insight

1152
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: you shut on life career in business and struggling with

1153
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: my career recently and wanted to hear your thoughts. I

1154
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: did well for myself in sales right away during right

1155
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: out of college. Tried to go out on my own

1156
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: and start my own company. Didn't go as planned. I

1157
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: got sued. Now I've been going through some sales jobs

1158
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: the last two years. Found a good job in fintech.

1159
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: Pays the bills and not too hard fifty five K

1160
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: plus commission. I'm not sure I want to say in sales.

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01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: I used to be a sports management major who ended

1162
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: up getting an accounting degree. Unfortunately, I don't want to

1163
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: be an accountant. Obviously you don't have a conventional path,

1164
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: but would love to hear your thoughts on what you

1165
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: would do now if sports media scouting wasn't in the cards. Uh.

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: One thing I realized as I've done this for a

1167
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: long time looking back even on scouting, and then what

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01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: I do now is if you can sell, you can

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of do anything, because selling is such a big

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Speaker 1: part of our world. And if you can continue to

1171
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: master the art of selling, I think you will be

1172
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: more equipped to go on your own again because the

1173
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: hardest part Now, obviously I don't know what your company was,

1174
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: if you tried to develop some product, if you got

1175
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: sued because you you know, patent or who knows. I

1176
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: can't even begin to guess. But if you can master

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01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: the art of selling, to me, you can be a

1178
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: successful entrepreneur because one thing you're gonna hear in life,

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01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: whether you're a sales guy for a company at fintech

1180
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: or whether you're a sales guy for yourself, which you're

1181
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: gonna be when you first start, You're gonna get used

1182
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 1: to hearing nose, no one emailing you back, people slamming

1183
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: the door in your face, not texting you back. You'll

1184
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: be unfucking faced, unfaced. So to me, I would just

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: continue to master the art of selling, because as I've

1186
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: gotten older, it's a huge part of my job. We

1187
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: have very very good relationships with the advertisers on this

1188
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: show because I understand their importance, and I will sell it.

1189
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: I would attempt to sell ice to an Eskimo. If

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: some ice company said, hey, we're sending you up to Alaska.

1191
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna meet some Eskimos. If you sell this, we

1192
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: will buy your show, I'd say, tell me what time

1193
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: I need to be at the airport. And the younger me,

1194
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,839
Speaker 1: I remember when I interned for the Kansas City Chiefs

1195
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, my senior year in college,

1196
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: took an unpaid internship in Kansas City. My dad had

1197
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: a guy who went to college with whose son lived

1198
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: in Overland Park, so he basically gave me a room

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Speaker 1: for free, and for four months I entered in the

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01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: sales department, so like selling sponsorships, selling all that type stuff.

1201
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: This is when Herm Edwards was the coach, and I

1202
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: remember thinking, I never want to be a sales guy.

1203
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: I want to work in football. And that's kind of

1204
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: when my love of wanting to work in the NFL

1205
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: really amplified. And I remember a couple of times I

1206
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,919
Speaker 1: would sneak up there. I made a couple of relationships

1207
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: and I tried to help them out, but the season

1208
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: got so ugly that it, but it kind of sparked

1209
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: my I would say ambition to do that. But at

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01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: the time, I remember seeing the sales guys that I

1211
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: worked for who were kind of hustlers, thinking like, I

1212
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. And then as I've gotten older,

1213
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: like I just realized it's a huge part of life.

1214
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: It really is. And what I do. I mean, my

1215
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: entire job is selling you the entertainment and listening to

1216
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: me every single day. So regardless what you do, and

1217
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing easier to sell than your own product. Right,

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of I would say entrepreneurs, unless

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: they had some incredible idea, I would say, a large

1220
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: percentage of them are natural sales guys. So I embrace

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: it now because I know it's it's the way for

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01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: me to be successful. So you're already in it, You're

1223
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: already kind of you knowing your craft. Every day that

1224
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: goes by, that's what you're doing. You're gonna get better

1225
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: at it. I would say, stick with that and figure

1226
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: out a way to eventually kind of do what you

1227
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: want to do and figure out a way to kind

1228
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: of build that business around sales if that's what you're

1229
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: good at. Because if you can sell, you can make money.

1230
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: If you can design stuff, there's no guarantee. If you

1231
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: can create products, you still got to distribute it and

1232
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: sell it. If you can sell, you can figure it out.

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01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 1: That would be my advice. Maybe some people listening to

1234
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: this thing, I'm a fucking idiot, and that's not true.

1235
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: I believe that to my core, and I don't think

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: that will ever change. So master's selling. Appreciate everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: Mock Draft tomorrow the volume