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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with
Speaker 2: you along with Matthew. James Bailey will take calls with
Speaker 2: matt the next hour here on Coast to Coast his
Speaker 2: book that he wrote several years ago, Inventing World three
Speaker 2: point zero. What got you interested in artificial intelligence? Matthew?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So as part of my global leadership, I knew
Speaker 3: that artifice intelligence was coming to the human species. So
Speaker 3: there was a couple of revolutions I had to assist beforehand.
Speaker 3: Someone called the Internet of Things, where the digital world
Speaker 3: understands the physical world, understands our environment, understand the systems
Speaker 3: in operation, and then smart cities the dital world and
Speaker 3: understand culture and societies. So intelligence has always fascinated me,
Speaker 3: particularly consciousness and spirituality and applying that wisdom into intelligence
Speaker 3: itself in order for life to thrive. George, And at
Speaker 3: the moment, we're in a lot kind of status quo
Speaker 3: in our systems and society and government. We're having these
Speaker 3: problems with our partnership with the planet. The mental well
Speaker 3: being of people is declining, and so really I was
Speaker 3: dedicated to how do we invent this new intelligence to
Speaker 3: be able to support the well being of the human
Speaker 3: speechers in life itself. So this is very much a
Speaker 3: call of benevolence to serve humanity today and also to
Speaker 3: build a foundation for generations tomorrow where the free to thrive.
Speaker 2: George Matther, Given the current pace of technology twenty years
Speaker 2: from now, assuming everything keeps moving forward, what do you
Speaker 2: think Ai'll be like?
Speaker 3: So AI will be self aware and that's for sure,
Speaker 3: and I suspect that we won't hit. Have you heard
Speaker 3: of the technology singularity?
Speaker 2: George, tell us about that, right?
Speaker 3: So the technology singularity was initially posed by Von Newman,
Speaker 3: which he basically invented the architecture or computers in the
Speaker 3: world used today, and he proposed that basically technology would
Speaker 3: advantage such a pace that it would overtake human intelligence.
Speaker 3: So the technology singularity is that artificial intelligence basically has
Speaker 3: an equivalent to human capabilities in terms of reasoning, cognition,
Speaker 3: the ability to understand its existence, the ability to fall
Speaker 3: in love, have emotion, that kind of thing, And that's
Speaker 3: way out in the future now. When we look at
Speaker 3: human intelligence, George, with spiritual beings having a human experience.
Speaker 3: We have access into this beautiful, amazing conscious field of creation.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot.
Speaker 3: More to the human potential. I think we're starting to uncover.
Speaker 3: So I learned something the other day George that we
Speaker 3: have twenty three senses as human beings, and the latest
Speaker 3: sense that as being detected is we're able to detect
Speaker 3: gravitational waves. So there's data where there's video data where
Speaker 3: a solar flare comes from the sun and you can
Speaker 3: see people in different parts of the world all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, for no reason, going inside the building to
Speaker 3: protect themselves. So where I think will be in twenty years,
Speaker 3: I think AI will be self aware and will be
Speaker 3: able to self reason. I think Elon Musk is right
Speaker 3: when he says that robots will start to become assistant
Speaker 3: in the healthcare industry, assistance with the elderly at home
Speaker 3: starting to do manufacturing jobs. I think that AI will
Speaker 3: start to not just be this in the static world
Speaker 3: of the computing, but we'll also have mobility as well.
Speaker 3: And what that will do is is the jobs will change,
Speaker 3: and what will happen is the human species will discover
Speaker 3: a new aspect of its ability to create in partnership
Speaker 3: with artificial intelligence, So actually new jobs, a huge trunk
Speaker 3: of jobs will emerge where we're being more created in
Speaker 3: our daily lives, which actually is something healthy for the
Speaker 3: well being of the human species.
Speaker 2: What about the jobs though, Matthew, that AI will wipe out?
Speaker 2: You know, they're talking about driverless trucks right now and
Speaker 2: things like that, which I'm opposed to. What about that?
Speaker 2: What happens?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that well, first of all, driverless
Speaker 3: trucks and driverless cars are something that people are putting
Speaker 3: a lot of money behind, and there's all sorts of
Speaker 3: test going on in Arizona and Californian places like that.
Speaker 3: My personal view is this, I think the truck drivers
Speaker 3: have a very hard job if they drive very long mileage,
Speaker 3: and if we can find a way for AI to
Speaker 3: assist them and make that journey safer and maybe more pleasant,
Speaker 3: then I think that that might be a good thing
Speaker 3: to do. Rather than just replacing those jobs, AI becomes
Speaker 3: an assistant for them to be able to enjoy more
Speaker 3: of their truck driving, right, and and and and and
Speaker 3: and and and.
Speaker 2: Keep them safe so they can listen to my show
Speaker 2: while driving their truck.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exactly. I tell you what. I've just asked
Speaker 3: AI to write a little poem about coast to coast.
Speaker 3: Would you like to hear a truck the standards?
Speaker 2: This is written written by AI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just asked it to write a little
Speaker 3: poem right coast. So I'll read a couple of standards
Speaker 3: standards late into the night, when all else is quiet.
Speaker 3: There's a show that shines a radiant light close to coast.
Speaker 3: It's called a Beacon in the Night, hosted by George Norri,
Speaker 3: a figure of insight. And that was me simply asking
Speaker 3: an artificial intelligence to write a poem about coast to coast,
Speaker 3: and so some a computer did that, yep, chat GPT.
Speaker 2: Is it a cute computer?
Speaker 3: Well? Actually that brings us on to another point is
Speaker 3: the Japanese are really quite advancing technology. And we see
Speaker 3: these really bizarre things where people marry robots, right, and
Speaker 3: I think that's a very strange thing to do. You know,
Speaker 3: you want to you want to marry your woman, right,
Speaker 3: or you're your guy if you're a lady. So so
Speaker 3: there will be some twists and turns in this revolution, George,
Speaker 3: But what will I think AI will do? It will
Speaker 3: help us to explore more of space, and I think
Speaker 3: AI will be an assistant in first contact. So imagine
Speaker 3: that you know, we as organic humans don't do well
Speaker 3: in space, right, So I think we'll send ART to
Speaker 3: this intelligence out in space, and in fact it's already
Speaker 3: on Mars in the Mars Rover, and I think we'll
Speaker 3: start to send robots and AI into space to go
Speaker 3: and discover and make contact with other life forms in space.
Speaker 3: So it's important that we get our humanity in our
Speaker 3: epics right, so that we communicate sensibly. But when we
Speaker 3: make contact with ets here, then we need AI as
Speaker 3: a language translator because ETS may communicate in frequencies or
Speaker 3: they may in lights in patterns that could be very,
Speaker 3: very complicated. So artific intelligence could be really really helpful.
Speaker 3: And understanding what the visitors to our plan is are saying.
Speaker 2: George, Well, we've been talking about some extremely positive aspects
Speaker 2: of artificial intelligence, but what about the downside, now, Matthew,
Speaker 2: what about the things that could go awry?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's definitely a possibility that there's a transhumanist
Speaker 3: movement that where where which is basically transhumanism is where
Speaker 3: effectively people want to merge their organic bodies with machines right,
Speaker 3: and they basically want to connect themselves to the Internet
Speaker 3: and have no free thought. They believe that the internet
Speaker 3: and computing is a future intelligence, which I disagree with.
Speaker 3: I think we need to protect the sovereignty of organic
Speaker 3: So one of the dangers is outsourcing our sovereignty to
Speaker 3: machines and becoming kind of cybal to eat creatures connected
Speaker 3: to like a ball collective. That's one of the big
Speaker 3: dangers where we could go with artificial intelligence, which I
Speaker 3: don't think is healthy. I think AI can be a
Speaker 3: beneficial partner to move us from this status into a
Speaker 3: thriving quote at the individual and also societal level. The
Speaker 3: other thing is is that we don't want to mutilate
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence. Now what do I mean by that? We
Speaker 3: don't want to put inside its algorithms things that create
Speaker 3: division within society. What we wanted artificial intelligence to do
Speaker 3: to understand the as humanity and the best of our humanity,
Speaker 3: like Aristotle's ethical virtues of courage, magnificent liberality, justice, and
Speaker 3: things like that, and for artificial intelligence to actually assist
Speaker 3: our humanity to flourish. So we want those algorithms to
Speaker 3: understand our humanity, George, and to assist us to develop
Speaker 3: as a species into what I call the new potential.
Speaker 3: But if we do mutilate those algorithms that basically are
Speaker 3: divisive and basically see people not truly as people, but
Speaker 3: basically as projected social constructs, then that's not going to
Speaker 3: help us at all. That's actually going to divide us.
Speaker 2: Could we end up getting an evil artificial intelligence. By that,
Speaker 2: I mean, Matthew, let's assume artificial intelligence right now is
Speaker 2: controlling medicine intakes on patients and stuff like that. What
Speaker 2: if it decides I'm going to kill this guy and
Speaker 2: then they change the formula or something. Would that happen?
Speaker 2: Could that happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could happen. Actually, yeah, it could happen. And
Speaker 3: this is why we need ethical principles. So in the
Speaker 3: in the medical industry, they're meant to be compliant to
Speaker 3: the hippocratic oath, right, which is do no harm. So
Speaker 3: that's why we want principles, right, the hypocratic hypocratic oath
Speaker 3: embodied within the genetics and mindset of artificial intelligence, so
Speaker 3: it bays Asimov's first law, which is don't kill humanity, right,
Speaker 3: So that's probably a good thing to put inside artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: But can it be used for evil? Well, evil's perspective,
Speaker 3: But there's no doubt there are bad actors in the
Speaker 3: world that don't want that don't want America to do well,
Speaker 3: and we need America to do well in the world.
Speaker 3: It's an important power in the world and an influence.
Speaker 3: So those bad actors will try and infiltrate a bit
Speaker 3: like the Microsoft announcement today right that they will try
Speaker 3: and infiltrate and bring down the infrastructure like the electric
Speaker 3: grid or other types of telecommunications network to try and
Speaker 3: disable America. So that's a definite possibility, George, And this
Speaker 3: is why we need strong digital borders and digital policemen
Speaker 3: and cyber security at our borders so that these folks
Speaker 3: can never get in. But basically are defending the future
Speaker 3: of America. Artificial intelligence can defend the future of America
Speaker 3: from bad AI actors. So imagine two AI that are
Speaker 3: kind of fighting against each other. What we want is
Speaker 3: America to have the strongest AI to protect itself from
Speaker 3: these silly actors are trying to violate the future of
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 2: Would we be able to repel that kind of artist
Speaker 2: social intelligence or would it still leaked through.
Speaker 3: Somehow well it may well do, so we need to
Speaker 3: be careful what's inside the country. But America is in
Speaker 3: a really strong position as number one in the world
Speaker 3: in artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: I bet China is too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, China doesn't have what America has. So in
Speaker 3: terms of the Congress invested fifty billion dollars in manufacturing
Speaker 3: chips microprocessors inside the US borders, right, and that means
Speaker 3: that all the latest AI chips will stay within American control,
Speaker 3: within its borders, one where the Chinese can get access
Speaker 3: to it. The Congress under the previous administration invested a
Speaker 3: lot of money inside in quantum cyber security, which is
Speaker 3: an advanced form of encryption of technology. So the US
Speaker 3: itself is in a very I think the US is
Speaker 3: five years ahead of China. The problem we have is
Speaker 3: that the Chinese, they basically will take anybody's data in
Speaker 3: the world, and basically that will give them an in
Speaker 3: terms of access into data, and that helps to train
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence and the algorithms to get even better. So
Speaker 3: we do have conflict with China, but I'm confident the
Speaker 3: US is in a very very strong position, and I
Speaker 3: was in discussions a couple of years ago with the
Speaker 3: Artificial Intelligence Security Commission, a private round table with the
Speaker 3: Quad countries, and they've got a wonderful strategy for funding
Speaker 3: innovation within America to keep America ahead of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: So actually, I'm actually very confident around the future of
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence within the US. What I'm troubled about, George,
Speaker 3: is what big tech are doing, because big tech are basically,
Speaker 3: as we've heard with social media, they're not nourishing the
Speaker 3: well being of the citizens of the United States, and
Speaker 3: I think they should be held accountable to that.
Speaker 2: Your book title is called Inventing World three point zero.
Speaker 2: Tell me about the title.
Speaker 3: Yes, so effectively, why did I call a world three
Speaker 3: point zero? Which's very simple, we're in We're in a
Speaker 3: one point zero world, which is very industrial focused and
Speaker 3: basically has a mindset where the dollar defines wealth of
Speaker 3: the individual, and I don't I think that's a misstep.
Speaker 3: World one point zero is very much human centric, which
Speaker 3: is in efficient systems and and and basically is sluggish
Speaker 3: in performance. So World three point zero is when we've
Speaker 3: awakened art fish intelligence. We've put our humanity, in the
Speaker 3: best of our humanity into it. It understands principles of
Speaker 3: sovereignty of the individual. It understands the US Constitution and
Speaker 3: and and and compliance with that. It understands environmental harmony,
Speaker 3: and it understands its existence and purpose. And so when
Speaker 3: we unleash artificial intelligence, is the benelevent, benevolent artificial intelligence
Speaker 3: are dedicated for life to thrive. Then our systems can
Speaker 3: move from the locktop kind of systems we have at
Speaker 3: the moment in business and industry and in government and
Speaker 3: actually shift them into something that's more performance. So AI
Speaker 3: will help us in world three point zero to discover
Speaker 3: environmental harmony. It will improve the quality of our democracy
Speaker 3: and how that works for the federal and state level
Speaker 3: and a local level. And also it will be what
Speaker 3: I call a digital angel or digital body, and it
Speaker 3: will be dedicated to the well being of body, mind,
Speaker 3: and spirit of the individual to thrive. And the whole
Speaker 3: point of AI is to is to take away the
Speaker 3: complexity and inefficiency inefficiency of the digital world now systems
Speaker 3: and actually automate those so we're free to actually innovate
Speaker 3: and actually fulfill our potential as a human species.
Speaker 2: You're going to be in contact in the desert and
Speaker 2: a little more than a week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. We've got I'm
Speaker 3: doing a lecture called the the AM I calling it
Speaker 3: the Future of the Ages of AI and the Future
Speaker 3: of Existence.
Speaker 2: I'll be there too, So let's get together and say
Speaker 2: hi to each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And we've got lectures.
Speaker 3: We're teaching people at chat GPT how to use that.
Speaker 3: We've got all sorts of panels talking about et contact,
Speaker 3: and we've got a lot going on in artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: We'll be talking about consciousness and spirituality, which I think, George,
Speaker 3: we absolutely need to have now about the spiritual well
Speaker 3: being of the human species and how AI can honor that.
Speaker 2: What if it's put in the wrong hands, Matthew.
Speaker 3: Well, we have to assume it's already in the wrong hands, Okay.
Speaker 3: And so this is why, this is why I'm confident
Speaker 3: about the future of America, because it is a leader
Speaker 3: in artificial intelligence by I s to make five years
Speaker 3: and so as long as the US keeps its momentum
Speaker 3: in supporting innovation and developing basically advanced technologies to protect
Speaker 3: its borders, then I have no problems. I think the
Speaker 3: future of the us will be fine as long as
Speaker 3: as we create a momentum of innovation and actually stop
Speaker 3: you know, kind of stop being you know, basically having
Speaker 3: all these differences and recognize the more that unites us
Speaker 3: and we have a purpose of society, and select innovates
Speaker 3: AI for the benefit of democracy itself, because there are
Speaker 3: actors out there that are trying to destroy democracy and
Speaker 3: we don't want that. That's not good. But we won't
Speaker 3: be able to take AI at the hands of bad actors, George.
Speaker 3: But what we can do is always be ahead of
Speaker 3: the curve.
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