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Speaker 3: some fresh baked strange news. Shout out to everybody listening

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Speaker 3: to this in a cyber truck. Be safe, geez. Shout

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Speaker 3: out to everybody who's been in unusual loan circumstances. We

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Speaker 3: were talking a little bit off air, and we thought

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Speaker 3: we might do just a quick cavalcade old school strange.

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Speaker 3: She's daily at the top. We talked about investor passports

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Speaker 3: like a while ago. Right, did we ever do an

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Speaker 4: I don't believe so no doesn't quite ring a bell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I know we talked about this hanging out

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Speaker 3: off air. They're always with every election cycle, there's always

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Speaker 3: the process is often much more involved then.

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Speaker 3: You can't just go online and then click a box.

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Speaker 3: wealthy people in the US and the world are building

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Speaker 3: a thing called passport portfolios. Let's go to Robert Frank

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Speaker 3: Apparently around the globe, very well to do people are

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Speaker 3: like actual citizenship, international citizenship stuff. And I think it's

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Speaker 3: one passport folk, right. We don't have to say it

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Speaker 4: Oh on a good day, yeah, on a good day. Well,

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Speaker 4: I mean I think I maybe mentioned I had a

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Speaker 4: But I've been using my new big boy passport every

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Speaker 4: When I think of multiples, I guess I think of

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Speaker 2: I literally just opened my secret hidden drawer and hold kidding.

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Speaker 4: What's your identity on that one? That?

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Speaker 2: Uh what does this say? Walton Goggins love that?

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Speaker 3: But during the pandemic that number plummeted to like twenty

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Speaker 4: Wasn't that the deal? We talked about certain countries that

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Speaker 3: Right? Right? That's a great question. That's what we should

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Speaker 4: There was also like it was Dionne Warwick did it

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Speaker 4: I believe she was a very famous fraud. I believe

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Speaker 3: Madam Bell, Yes, I went to that one. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: a great date idea, but it is it's a really

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Speaker 2: That's a road in Atlanta or it's known for what, guys,

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Speaker 2: Food there you go and other things and sex trafficking.

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Speaker 3: Madam Bell. It was not the person I spoke with

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Speaker 4: Does that many he sent all the fraudulent letters with

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Speaker 3: So his company, his company, which has a weird name

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Speaker 4: No, but it just makes you think of info.

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Speaker 2: It makes me think they need to get Kim Wexler

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Speaker 4: Or it'll say a non transferable open Immediately, you don't

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Speaker 4: It's almost comical, how just kind of rinky dink this

436
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: The nature of this problem is so it's not like

437
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 4: it's being you know, all of a sudden going into

438
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 4: autopilot mode and the pedal is, oh, it's accelerating without

439
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: me wanting to. No. It is much simpler and much

440
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 4: stupider than that. Apparently, there is a kind of slide

441
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 4: on cover that goes over the pedal, which is just

442
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: a machine piece of steel, like it's very thin. The

443
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 4: whole car really, you know, leans into this whole minimal thing,

444
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 4: and the cover can come dislodged and kind of poke

445
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 4: up further than the length of the actual accelerator and

446
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: then literally just get caught under the carpet the kind

447
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: of surrounding carpet molded kind of material around there, at

448
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: which point, as one inside EV's article pointed out, it

449
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 4: becomes a sixty eight hundred pound land missile. Boy Oh boy.

450
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 4: A video that went viral on TikTok and was shared

451
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: all over the internet. Showed a person explaining this this

452
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: exact malfunction or this design flaw, and they showed the

453
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 4: piece that kind of could come dislodge. They actually had

454
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: removed it, revealing just the piece of steel underneath when

455
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 4: they put it back on. They showed how easy it

456
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 4: was able to kind of slide up with the force

457
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: of your foot and then get caught under the piece

458
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 4: of you know, surrounding material right at the very top.

459
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: If you can picture a regular car where you know,

460
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 4: there's kind of carpeted body, kind of material down there,

461
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 4: this has sort of a little lip at the top,

462
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: and if you put your pedal to the literal metal

463
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: or the carpet as it were, and this thing slides up,

464
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: it gets stuck, it gets jammed under there at full acceleration.

465
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 4: And there's been reports of individuals experiencing this on the road,

466
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 4: one where a person was not able to break apparently

467
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: it like I don't know if there's a separate glitch

468
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 4: or what, but the brake wasn't doing any good because

469
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 4: the pedal was so far down, I guess, and this

470
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 4: person just had to slam into a light post. We've

471
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 4: been hearing things about issues with crash testing on these

472
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: where I did not realize this, but apparently it's a

473
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: lot of the companies that really pride themselves on, you know,

474
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 4: showing and sharing their crash test data do so so

475
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: they can get really good consumer reports reviews, yes, and

476
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: really good safety reviews, and they go above and beyond

477
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 4: because of that very reason, so they can sell it

478
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: as a feature. But the minimum amount of crash testing

479
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 4: you guys have been I'm sure you've run into this

480
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 4: on car stuff isn't nearly as high a bar as

481
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 4: these companies. Some of these companies are setting for themselves.

482
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: No, it's kind of like when you when you learn

483
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 3: the famous example, we always try it out that at

484
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: one point in time the US government said all right,

485
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: you can have some rat poop and cereal. They kind

486
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: of did the same thing with crash testing. And obviously,

487
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: you know, because a recall is a massive cost in

488
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: terms of finance and in terms of reputation for a manufacturer,

489
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: they are themselves incentivized to game out every single possible

490
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: problem before somebody buys the first car right that they're

491
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: gonna sell. Of a model, and unfortunately, no matter what

492
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: you do, you can't be one hundred percent accurate in

493
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: these things. And there are indeed some just inherent structural

494
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: problems with certain types of vehicles, right, Like some vehicles

495
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: are way more likely just because the way they're built

496
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: to flip at a sharp turn right, and.

497
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 4: We's known people talk about that with a jeep. But

498
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: people go in eyes open knowing that this is certainly

499
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: a trade off, like I'm gonna get this sweet, you know,

500
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: road warrior esque vehicle knowing that it might not be

501
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: as safe as Saya, you know, a Sonata or something. Yeah.

502
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: Did you all see the recent testing that was done

503
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: on guardrails and electric cars in general?

504
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: Yes, no I didn't.

505
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: We're because of the added weight of those huge batteries.

506
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: Most electric cars that they tested will just go straight

507
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: through a guardrail like it's not.

508
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 4: There alone missile.

509
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: Again.

510
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so just imagine all the things that guardbraels

511
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: sometimes protect, like oh, I don't know, a giant drop

512
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: off or something, and a vehicle.

513
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: Just why don't we add a couple of extra thousand

514
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: pounds of stainless steel to that formula?

515
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: That that sounds that's insane.

516
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. So okay, that's the news. That's

517
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: the skinny in terms of like what the latest is.

518
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: They have stopped not production, of course, they have stopped delivering,

519
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: so they're going to figure this out. Unclear as to

520
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: what this means for the folks that already have received

521
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: their guards. And I was just going to point out too,

522
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: like this is such a unique situation because of the

523
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: kind of clout that Tesla has. It's very different than

524
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: no one's signing up like this for the next you know,

525
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: Ford Focus. I mean, it's just so there's a lot

526
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: of people just rolling the dice on this and signing

527
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: up and now they're having their vehicle delivered after they've

528
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 4: already signed a contract. That's you know, forcing them to

529
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: buy it and they can't get out of it. They

530
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: also want to allow you to resell it in less

531
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: than I believe a year, and that sort of I

532
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: guess they're attempt at not diluting whatever the market I guess,

533
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: or you know, having people flip them for a lot

534
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: of money because they're so sought after. But another theory

535
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: there is they don't want to give the impression that

536
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: people are just selling these things like, you know, to

537
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: get rid of them because they're you know, nightmarish. Some

538
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 4: of the other issues that we've seen include like there

539
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 4: was a viral video of one of these being driven

540
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: on a beach and immediately just totally getting log jammed,

541
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 4: you know, or beached literally like a like a whale,

542
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: like a beached tesla. They were promoted as being these

543
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: off road vehicles, and there's other videos showing people using

544
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: them in off road situations and just absolutely getting having

545
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 4: to slow to like a snail's pace. They did a

546
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: bunch of big promo kind of things early on about

547
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: how much it can tow. That may well be true,

548
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 4: but it doesn't really matter how much a vehicle can toe,

549
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: oh if it doesn't you know, roll with consistency. Another

550
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: thing too, is apparently the design, which is you know,

551
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: sleek and minimal and all these like kind of sharp

552
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: corners are actually quite sharp to the point where people

553
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: can you could cut yourself onto the edges of this vehicle.

554
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: Not to mention the I believe it's called the fronk,

555
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: which is really embarrassing to say. I don't like that

556
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: one bit is the front trunk. It has this kind

557
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: of you know, very futuristic kind of rolling out sort

558
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: of lid sort of telescopes into the vehicle. They promoted

559
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: that if there were anything in the way and the front,

560
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: it would immediately, you know, go back. It wouldn't like

561
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: an elevator door kind of, but apparently that does not

562
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 4: apply to the sides. And someone inserted a carrot into

563
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: the sides of one of these fronks that was immediately

564
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: sliced in half, you know, clean like a guillotine. It's

565
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: being described by some of these evy blogs as a

566
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: team like not to mention the battery life is apparently

567
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: quite bad, and also they're promising, you know, an extended

568
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: life battery. But Matt, to your point, the extended life battery,

569
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: which doesn't even exist yet, would take up way more

570
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 4: space and be way heavier than the battery that comes

571
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: with its stock. So I don't know, guys. The NHTSA,

572
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: did I get that right? National National Traffic Safety Administration

573
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: are getting in the mix. They have entered the chat

574
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 4: specifically concerning this defect regarding the accelerator pedal not has

575
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: haven't made any comments about the other stuff, which does

576
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: seem slightly less immediately life threatening, but some of them

577
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 4: absolutely could be especially I also saw a video of

578
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: like someone got stuck inside of one of these because

579
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: it forced them to do a software update and they

580
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: wouldn't allow them to open the doors, and it wouldn't

581
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: let them leave the car until the software update was done.

582
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: Things like that. And none of this is voting well

583
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 4: for Tesla's stock price, which is down significantly. And Tesla

584
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: also just had to lay off ten percent of its workforce,

585
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: you know, likely because of some of the issues regarding

586
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: the rollout, because you know, we got to remember, Tesla

587
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: hasn't updated their standard you know, Sedan type models, and

588
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: I want to say, going on at least five years,

589
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: it might be more you guys are more car guys

590
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: than me. And this was kind of you know, Elon

591
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: Musk's pet project, and he was doing this instead of

592
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: you know, rolling out some more minor updates. You know,

593
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: that's sort of what he does. He takes big swings.

594
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 4: Say about him what you will. He definitely does take

595
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: big swings, but it does seem like he doesn't always,

596
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: if not most of the time, have have the actual

597
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: research and development and true innovation to back up his promises.

598
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: I don't know guys, any thoughts here. This is an

599
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: ongoing thing, but but it does seem that the people

600
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: that are having these issues are still kind of in

601
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: the camp of Elon. They're still saying that that, you

602
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: know what, we're still on board, We're happy to be

603
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: I guess these beta testers.

604
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: I have to say this, This does get perilosly close

605
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: to the old trope of separating art from the artist.

606
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: But there are numerous good things about the Tesla Car Company.

607
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: I'm also still, you know, I'm also still always thinking

608
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: about how the prolong time the big three auto manufacturers

609
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: in the United States would successfully conspire to buy out

610
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: or shut down competitors outside of their triumvirate. Sure so,

611
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: like shout out to Preston Tucker and the Tucker forty eight.

612
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: But then also, you know, so like the idea of

613
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: creating a new car manufacturer is first off, wild and

614
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: it's super ambitious, it's super difficult. One thing I can say,

615
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: in terms of because you guys knew me, I always

616
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: like silver linings positivity. One thing we can say is

617
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: that Tesla has really shaken up the monopolistic well not monopolistic,

618
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: but the dirty grip that car dealership models have between

619
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 3: the manufacturer and the consumer. So being able to buy

620
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: a car directly from the company is pretty cool, and

621
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 3: I hope that becomes more common despite whatever problems occur

622
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 3: with the specific vehicles.

623
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: Well, it makes it a bummer, doesn't that? Like he's

624
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: done what you could argue is a really great kind

625
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: of I hate to use the word a disruptive thing

626
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 4: for traditional auto manufacturing. You know who we know if

627
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: you've seen the film, the documentary I believe it was

628
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: called Who Killed the Electric Car? You know, there's been

629
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: talk about conspiracies, I mean decades and decades of collusion

630
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: in order to kind of quash that kind of technology

631
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: and just make it prohibitive, you know, to have these

632
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: cars on the road. So now we have reached kind

633
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: of a high water market in terms of, you know,

634
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: people's desire for these kinds of vehicles, the infrastructure for them.

635
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 4: That wouldn't a lot of that wouldn't have happened if

636
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: it hadn't been for Tesla. So I'm with you, Ben,

637
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: it just sucks that the guy's got such a horrible

638
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 4: bedside manner and public persona and I don't know, probably

639
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: private person I'm just not a huge fan that he

640
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 4: is the figurehead. Apparently a lot of people are turning

641
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: in their Tesla just because they find it embarrassing to

642
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: be associated with Elon Musk and with the company. But

643
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 4: there are other manufacturers coming, you know, to the table,

644
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: and that it could just mean that they're gonna be

645
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 4: the ones that are going to kind of take over

646
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: the space.

647
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: You think a bunch of people turned in their Volkswagens

648
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: when that whole scandal broke.

649
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: No, some people in the racing community did.

650
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, it's so weird

651
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Speaker 2: to have a company that's I guess so tied to

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Speaker 2: its owner or controller maybe or you know, the persona

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Speaker 2: of a human being, or any company that's so tied

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Speaker 2: to the persona of a human being that it would

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Speaker 2: fail or win based on how that person is perceived.

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Speaker 4: Well, but you typically CEOs don't like to be that public,

657
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Speaker 4: and you know, I mean, Elon Musk literally bought a

658
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Speaker 4: social media company so he could, you know, be as

659
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Speaker 4: public as humanly possible. He loves being out there, and

660
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Speaker 4: he just seems to be going further and further into

661
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Speaker 4: kind of turning certain people off, especially considering that the

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Speaker 4: folks that are first to market for these types of

663
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Speaker 4: electric vehicles are going to be pretty liberal type folks,

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Speaker 4: you know who maybe you're into green living and things

665
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Speaker 4: like that. Maybe people live on the West Coast much

666
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Speaker 4: more likely to be left leaning, and he is just

667
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Speaker 4: quite the opposite. So he's really alienating his base of customer,

668
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Speaker 4: which I find really confusing. But I guess he just

669
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Speaker 4: doesn't know how to not be unfiltered. So the NHTSA

670
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Speaker 4: has not officially launched an investigation yet, but they are

671
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Speaker 4: aware of the issue and they are looking into it

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Speaker 4: and seeking more information. And while you know, folks who

673
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 4: have been waiting for these cyber trucks for four years

674
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Speaker 4: are going to keep waiting. So I don't know, if

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Speaker 4: you guys don't have anything to add, I think that's

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Speaker 4: a fine place to leave it for now.

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Speaker 3: Drive safe, everybody.

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Speaker 4: I mean, really, can.

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Speaker 2: We get more cars that have like a modified headlights

680
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Speaker 2: structure the way the cyber truck has like just a

681
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 2: line instead of two or you know, two big old headlights.

682
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Speaker 2: Let's get more of those.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with you, map, but another complaint is

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Speaker 4: that the headlights are like reached way too bright. I

685
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Speaker 4: think a lot of modern cars are the headlights really bright?

686
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Speaker 3: Bring back the tucker. It had the headlight that in

687
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: the middle moved with a search that's really cool. It

688
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: was so cool. All right, come on.

689
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: Come on and just amm lower. That's all there, you go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't need those blasting rise. And the last

691
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Speaker 4: thing I was gonna say that is the whole indestructible

692
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Speaker 4: quality of it and the stainless steel. Apparently the steel

693
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Speaker 4: does stain uh and develops rust spots, and they recommend

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Speaker 4: in the literature for the vehicle to clean off any

695
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Speaker 4: corrosive material immediately, including bird poop, because it can actually

696
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Speaker 4: apparently permanently damage the finish or it is lack thereof,

697
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Speaker 4: it doesn't really have a finish. That's sort of the point.

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Speaker 4: But also been hearing things about panels being misaligned causing leakage,

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Speaker 4: and apparently it makes them really really noisy if they're

700
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Speaker 4: not aerodynamic like they're supposed to be. It causes like

701
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Speaker 4: wind whipping kind of if you ever had a window

702
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Speaker 4: cracked and one up that apparently it sounds like that

703
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: inside of these like all the time if the panels

704
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Speaker 4: are misaligned. So sorry for saying that. Stuff out of order.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was worth mentioning, but definitely something to

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Speaker 4: keep an eye on. I'm interested to see how the

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Speaker 4: Highway Traffic and Safety Administration responds. For now, let's take

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Speaker 4: a quick break, hear a word from our sponsor, and

709
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Speaker 4: be back with another piece of strange news.

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Speaker 2: And we're back, guys. Just I wanted to announce this

711
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Speaker 2: because it's gonna be like maybe a marker in time

712
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Speaker 2: that my son hears at some point. Yesterday he tested

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Speaker 2: for his yellow belt and he passed.

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Speaker 3: And in about congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in about two hours, he's got a belt ceremony

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Speaker 2: that I'm gonna go to. I'm really excited.

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Speaker 3: Congrats.

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Speaker 4: Has he broken the board yet or is that a

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Speaker 4: little later?

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Speaker 2: The big boards come later. They let you break a

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Speaker 2: board to earn your I think it's when you earn

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Speaker 2: your white belt, okay, and that's just to kind of

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Speaker 2: get you into the program as an initiation. Later you

724
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Speaker 2: have to do the big like actual board breaking and

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Speaker 2: it hurts. So now he's got to train how to

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Speaker 2: let himself feel pain, which you know, dealing with pain

727
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Speaker 2: is a big deal.

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Speaker 4: It's a very important lesson to learn.

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Speaker 2: It is life. Yeah, I'm I'm excited about it. And

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Speaker 2: just one other thing I want to say before we

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Speaker 2: get going. We are not sponsored by Walton Goggins in

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Speaker 2: any way consummate actor Walton Goggins, though I'm certain you

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Speaker 2: guys if he called this and was like, hey, can

734
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Speaker 2: I sponsor the show? We'd be down right.

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Speaker 4: Walts seriously, how good is he on the new Fallout show?

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Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna talk love it. Look, look,

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Speaker 2: just Gemstones. Don't forget that Baby Billy Baby Billy's Bible anyway.

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Speaker 2: Uh not sponsored, just awesome. So let's jump to our news, guys.

741
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Speaker 2: They're one of the stories I want to talk about today.

742
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Happened or at least I read about it today. The

743
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: other one happened in early gosh, I think it was

744
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Speaker 2: like early March. But I'm just adding it to this

745
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: list because it's so related. It's ridiculous and strange.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: So let's begin in Ohio, just outside of Cleveland. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to tell you about two people who are written

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Speaker 2: about in USA today by Mike Snyder and Grace Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Those are the writers of the story. The two people

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Speaker 2: are Loreen and Karen. Loreen is fifty five, Karen is

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Speaker 2: sixty six. They live in a place called Ashtabula. Ashtabula,

753
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Speaker 2: somebody from Ohio will tell us how to pronounce that correctly.

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Speaker 2: It's just outside of Cleveland. They are currently being charged

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Speaker 2: with some strange stuff. So let's get into what they

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Speaker 2: did before we tell you what they're charged with. These

757
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Speaker 2: two women, allegedly, according to Ashtabula police Chief Robert Stell,

758
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Speaker 2: found Douglas Layman, who they lived with. This is an

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Speaker 2: eighty year old man. They found him dead in the

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Speaker 2: home that they share, Okay, on March fourth. After they

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Speaker 2: found him, they got another friend, these two women. They

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Speaker 2: put him his dead body in his car and they

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Speaker 2: drove that car to a bank where they withdrew an

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Speaker 2: undisclosed amount of money from his account. Weekend at Bernie's

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Speaker 2: Style full on the weekend at bernie Style.

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Speaker 4: Like propped up it is presumably.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, this is from the police chief again quote.

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Speaker 2: It is further alleged that Doug's body was placed in

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Speaker 2: the vehicle in such a manner that he would be

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Speaker 2: visible to the bank staff in order to make this withdrawal,

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Speaker 2: because they had done this before. The bank allowed them

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Speaker 2: to take money out as long as they were accompanied

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Speaker 2: by Doug.

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Speaker 3: And there was that precedent set already exactly right, and

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Speaker 3: then just say, well, he's an elderly gentleman, so maybe

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Speaker 3: he's taken a quick dose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's it, and we're just, you know, we

778
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Speaker 2: brought him with us, we're taking some money out for him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it could have gone a

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Speaker 2: different way for the two women, even though this is

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Speaker 2: a really weird, wrong thing to do. They took his

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Speaker 2: dead body, his corpse, to the Ashtabula County Medical Center

783
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Speaker 2: emergency room, and they just left him there. They didn't

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Speaker 2: announce themselves, they didn't say who he was, they didn't

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Speaker 2: do anything. They just left his body.

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Speaker 3: But they clearly felt bad shortly after, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess so maybe one of them. It doesn't

788
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Speaker 2: say in the article I read from USA Today, but

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Speaker 2: one of the women contacted the medical center later and

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Speaker 2: gave them the basic info the rundown, let's say, on Doug.

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Speaker 2: And that's when police officers went to the residents that

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Speaker 2: the two women shared with Doug and the women said,

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Speaker 2: oh he died there. Oh yeah, he died here.

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Speaker 3: So instead of calling the police or first responders, like,

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Speaker 3: instead of calling nine to one one at the house,

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Speaker 3: we just drove him over there, which was ethics aside,

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Speaker 3: just from a production standpoint, that was their misstep like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if this was a bank heist, which it

799
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Speaker 2: kind of was in a weird way.

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Speaker 4: Did they have any claim to his funds for common law?

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Speaker 4: Like you know, I don't know, was there anything like that,

802
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Speaker 4: like because they lived together, any of the time that

803
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 4: they lived together, the nature of the relationship.

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Speaker 2: This is a very small story that I found on

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Speaker 2: one of those places that we like to go to,

806
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: the reddit, the subreddit offbeat, and this is all, honestly, guys,

807
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: this is all I found about it. I don't know

808
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: anything else. Besides one of the people faces additional drug

809
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: charges associated with being picked up that day. We don't

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Speaker 2: know what that means or what it has. They had

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Speaker 2: a preliminary hearing back in March. We haven't been following it,

812
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: and the guys, the whole reason we're even talking about

813
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: this one is because this feels like weekend at Bernie's

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Speaker 2: bank heist light to me, compared to the next story.

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Speaker 2: Take next, the next story, Oh I will here we go.

816
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Speaker 2: The next story comes to us via the Guardian, and

817
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Speaker 2: this was written today as we record this on April seventeenth,

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Speaker 2: by Tom Phillips. Here we Go, We're gonna tell you

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Speaker 2: about Erica Desusa Vieira, who well, she did this. She

820
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Speaker 2: had a similar idea. She wheeled her quote lethargic looking

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Speaker 2: uncle into a bank. This is in Brazil, and the

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Speaker 2: moment that the two of them entered the location, clerks

823
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Speaker 2: were looking at them a little funny. There was a

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Speaker 2: remark made, I don't think he's well. He doesn't look

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Speaker 2: well at all. This person that she had wheeled in,

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Speaker 2: Paulo Roberto Bragg, was sixty eight when she wheeled him in,

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Speaker 2: and it appeared, at least to people who observed them

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Speaker 2: at the bank, that he was deceased. And it looked

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Speaker 2: like he was being propped up in this wheelchair in

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Speaker 2: order for Erica to go in and secure alone.

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Speaker 4: Matt, were you looking for a theme today? Did this

832
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Speaker 4: happened organically?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't. I saw this in the Guardian and I

834
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's a weird one, but that's not

835
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Speaker 2: enough to do anything on, jumped to offbeat and saw

836
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Speaker 2: the other news story about the women in Cleveland, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, all right, where we can to Bernie's

838
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: Berne's sing it. But yeah, the whole the whole thing

839
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: went down. So the you know, the bank clerks, after

840
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: this woman brought her dead uncle into secure a loan,

841
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: they alerted the authorities, and the authorities immediately arrived and

842
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, ma'am, he's dead. You can't secure a

843
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: bank loan in his name.

844
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Speaker 4: He is dead.

845
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Speaker 2: And also why is he dead? How is he dead?

846
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Speaker 2: And like what happened? And according to Erica's story, he

847
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: was alive as they were entering the bank and became

848
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Speaker 2: deceased sometime in the moments.

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Speaker 4: To say, what if? The response I just, I mean,

850
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Speaker 4: you know, if I'm being callous about it, the responsibility.

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Speaker 4: My god, he's dead. I miss him so much, you

852
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like like I hadn't noticed. I

853
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: don't buy that. But you're right, Ben, it is certainly possible,

854
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Speaker 4: if not plausible.

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Speaker 3: There's one thing, though, We've got to if this is okay,

856
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Speaker 3: you bad, I think we've got to mention one of

857
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Speaker 3: the most darkly humorous parts of this disturbing story in

858
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: that Guardian article that we're reading. Here's how the police

859
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Speaker 3: get alerted. Quote. At one point in the images which

860
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: bank workers began filming after smelling a rat, one suspicious

861
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: employee apparently comments on Braga's pallid complexion, and Vieira replies,

862
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: that's just what he's like, and then tries to place

863
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Speaker 3: a pin in his dead hand.

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Speaker 4: Oh, come on, but he got this here you go.

865
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Speaker 3: Which you know makes you wonder, Like again, I think,

866
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: like you rightly pointed out, this person has a story

867
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: where she's saying he was alive previously, right, and he

868
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: died at some point without my knowledge, like while we

869
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: were while we were in the bank. But you would

870
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: think putting a pin in the hand of a corpse,

871
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: I think even without being a doctor, you could tell

872
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: if the hand is like unresponsive.

873
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 4: Right, he was just kind of an unresponsive dude. Maybe

874
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: he was. It's real low energy in life. I don't know,

875
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 4: is the questions. That's just what he's like. That's just

876
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 4: what he's like. I love that. And Matt, do we

877
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 4: have any information about like what happened next, like a

878
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 4: corner to determine the time of death, to see if

879
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 4: the story is actually you know, lined up with the truth.

880
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: I have not seen any further reporting on this yet. Again,

881
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: this information came out today as well reporting.

882
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: Surely they can determine that to see if you know

883
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 4: how long this person had been dead. Yeah, at that point,

884
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: I think this woman's got some splaining to do.

885
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, there's one thing I wanted to ask you guys.

886
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: In inside this article it mentions liver live or mortis

887
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: l I v O R mortis, which in my head

888
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 2: was a spelling error for rigor mortis when I first

889
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: saw it, because its spelled so similar similarly l I

890
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: v O R mortis. But this is actually it has

891
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: to do with the coloration of a person's skin after

892
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: they've died.

893
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 3: Because the blood's no longer moving right.

894
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: Well it's yeah, it's where the blood pools in the body, like,

895
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 2: depending on how they're oriented when they die, which is

896
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: a way to you know, uh, determine cause of death.

897
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: Often rigor mortis is associated with the stiffening of the

898
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: limbs and the body after death. Yeah, kind of for

899
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: the same reason. Well, for similar reasons, where how blood

900
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: works in our bodies to keep us all you know,

901
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: movable and softish but all I don't know, it's weird

902
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: anyway to.

903
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: Keep us all fresh baked, yeah, squishy. I think about

904
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: that pretty often to the you know, death is something

905
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 3: that that comes for the vast majority of human beings

906
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: so far, and it's strange how we never really uh.

907
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people don't appreciate how much

908
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: work your body does without your conscious knowledge. Like your

909
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: heart doesn't take a day off, right nah, and the circular,

910
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: the circular to system, all your organs are so unappreciated.

911
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: So like, the next time you do something that you

912
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 3: know is kind of bad for your body, just think

913
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: of the think of those folks, you know what I mean,

914
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: think of them basically like the staff. You know, if

915
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: you if you drink a beer, just thank your liver

916
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: for its service.

917
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 4: And it's too scary do when I start to think

918
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: about that, I started to picture what my insides look

919
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: like and then the blood moving through my body and

920
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: it freaks me out.

921
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: You guys, the spice must flow. If you stop the

922
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: spice flow within your body, it's over.

923
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 3: Do you ever think about how like the fact that

924
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: you are basically animating a skull right now? If you're

925
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: alive and you talk out loud, We're just.

926
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it freaks me out.

927
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: Well, we're just ghost haunting houses.

928
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: I'm animating meat that's wrapped around a skull.

929
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're a computer program.

930
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 4: Stop it's these faces. No, I don't like it.

931
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all battlemex Yeah.

932
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's cooler. That's cooler. Guys. Well, these kind of

933
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 2: went by fast. Oh by the way, the police there

934
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 2: in Brazil are investigating whether or not this person.

935
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: Is indeed the niece of this deceased had I had

936
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 5: one thing to add just about both of these stories,

937
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 5: and I'm certainly not condoning either of these actions. But

938
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: do you know what a pain in the ascid is

939
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 5: to get a deceased loved one's money if there's no

940
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 5: like you know, will or if you know, all of

941
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 5: the craziness you have to go through probate and all

942
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: of this stuff, even if there is a will.

943
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 4: When my mother passed away, we did the whole estate

944
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: thing well before she passed, not knowing that her end

945
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 4: was was going to be sooner than we had realized.

946
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 4: I'm glad that we did it because I can't imagine

947
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 4: what it would have been like without it, but even

948
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: with me as the sole executor of her entire estate,

949
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: I had to jump through so many hoops just to

950
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 4: get like five hundred bucks in some bank account that

951
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 4: she forgot about that wasn't like listed as part I mean,

952
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 4: insane amounts of red tape. So again not condoning any

953
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 4: of this, but I do wonder if they were just

954
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: kind of trying to take a shortcut, and maybe they

955
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 4: were actually do some of this money but needed it

956
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: real quick and didn't want to have to wade through

957
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 4: all of the bureaucracy it would take to get it possible.

958
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: I mean, especially to considering that, I think it's safe

959
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: to say speak for all of us, you say, this

960
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: is a terrible thing that happens. You know, often at

961
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: one of the worst parts of your life, you lose

962
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 3: a loved one and you get just flooded with paperwork,

963
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: you know, And there are actually funds, at least here

964
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: in the US, there are institutions organizations where they have

965
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 3: held somebody's money that hasn't been claimed, and that person

966
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: may have living relatives. They just simply are so inundated

967
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: with all this other stuff that they have to deal

968
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 3: with that they don't think about you know, like your

969
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: point you're making. No, like things can slip through the cracks.

970
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: You know, you've got to organize a funeral, a memorial service,

971
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 3: You've got to take care of in term into cremation

972
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: or what have you, navigate a will. You these things

973
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 3: can be forgotten. But the everything costs.

974
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, but guys, in the case of

975
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 2: Loreen and Karen, they're living with an eighty year old

976
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: roommate who's not related to them.

977
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 4: And I still stand by the question about common law,

978
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: like would any of that have applied. We don't know

979
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 4: enough about their situation. Maybe they were a thropple.

980
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 2: You know, maybe well, either way, they both got charged

981
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: with gross abuse of a corpse.

982
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and unfortunately, even before the corpse, like the investigation

983
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: might find that this was a person maybe being kind

984
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 3: of like held hostage or taken advantage of. That's all

985
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: too common in the world of elderly care. There have

986
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: been some just elder actually terrifying stories about that kind

987
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: of stuff. And I'm not going to go out of biographical,

988
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,959
Speaker 3: but I've seen this kind of stuff firsthand. In some situations,

989
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 3: you know, there's a person who had we've read about

990
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: it on the show. There is a person who had

991
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: a consistent Social Security or pension income and they become

992
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 3: a prisoner in their own house right, And sometimes they

993
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: die and the person taking advantage of them just puts

994
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: them in a shed or doesn't bother to report it,

995
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: and those folks can get away for years and years.

996
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 4: I mean, not to make it about I saw a

997
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 4: TV show once, but you mentioned Walton Goggins in The

998
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: Shield that I've been rewatching that recently. There was an

999
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 4: episode where there was a complaint from a neighbor about

1000
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 4: noise in the backyard. It turns out there was an

1001
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 4: old man chained up in the backyard who was being

1002
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 4: held by a son and just cashing his social Security

1003
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: checks and just you know, kept him literally out of doors,

1004
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 4: chained up. And I know it's a TV show, but

1005
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: I know as well that the shows like that and

1006
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: The Shield in particular, take these, you know, from real

1007
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 4: police reports a lot of times, so it's certainly a

1008
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 4: thing that happens. Oh yeah, for sure.

1009
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: I told you guys about the time I saw Walton

1010
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: the Goggins at a flying biscuit. Right, No, yeah, I've

1011
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: been I think I told you sorry, I'll do it

1012
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: real quick. I'll do it real quick. Way back in

1013
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: the days of the Shield, when when I looked at

1014
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: this person's face, I did not see Walton Goggins. I

1015
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: didn't know who that was. I saw Shane from the

1016
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: Shield and real bastard. Well, I just happen to be

1017
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: walking in to the Flying Biscuit and sat there at

1018
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: the bar was this person that I immediately immediately recognized

1019
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: and just kind of gave one of these little nods

1020
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 2: like you know, hey, man, and he just goes hey,

1021
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: And I just walked to the table and I just thought, man,

1022
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: Shane from the Shield is my friend. Now I think

1023
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: we're friends.

1024
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 4: He was a champion hog hollerer, Like yeah, like aw that.

1025
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: I just remembered when you said he's a champion howg caller,

1026
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: we said, I've we told that whole.

1027
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 4: I've not heard the part. No, he came up some

1028
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 4: other way. I've never heard about you meeting him. You never,

1029
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 4: I've never heard that story. I just remember him talking

1030
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 4: on Fresh Air with Terry gros about being a champion

1031
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 4: hog hollerer.

1032
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 2: This all sounds familiar to me. Guys, Well, we do

1033
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: a lot of happening this has happened before, It's going

1034
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 2: to happen again.

1035
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: Hog Hollering is a story and legitimate profession. And if

1036
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 3: you walk away from tonight's strange news with nothing else,

1037
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: walk away with that.

1038
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: No, no, you disagree, disagree, walk away with this. There's

1039
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: another Boeing whistleblower you need to know about, Sam Salapore

1040
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: s A M. S A L E HPO.

1041
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: You are.

1042
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: Make sure you keep your eyes and ears out for

1043
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: this person. And let's all make sure that if he

1044
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: shows up, you know, in a truck with a quote

1045
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: self inflicted gunshot wound, we're all paying attention to yelling

1046
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: about it, okay.

1047
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 4: Or suffocated in the fronk of a cyber truck.

1048
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: Perhaps, yeah, I withdraw my support of hog hollering. Then

1049
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,000
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1050
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,560
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1051
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1052
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1055
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1056
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1057
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1058
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1064
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1065
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1066
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1067
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Speaker 3: All you have to do is drop us alive. We

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Speaker 3: all get to see it. Take us to the edge

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Speaker 3: of the rabbit hole. We will do the rest. Conspiracy

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't want you to Know is a production

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