1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't care how 2 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: old I get or how old my youngins get. I 3 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: can't escape being a father, and trust me, I don't 4 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: want to. There are just certain moments in time where 5 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: I need to have a dose of connectivity with my kids, 6 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: where you know, I can talk to them, laugh with them, 7 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: maybe advise them. Heck, even they advise me sometimes. Remember 8 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm a college professor. I don't understand the generation I'm 9 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: working with right now. I've got a college student that 10 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: is my son. He helps me, but you know, I 11 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: wait for those calls. He calls me several times a day. 12 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: My daughter calls me. I talk to my grands. I 13 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: cannot imagine going one hundred and seventy three days not knowing, 14 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: not knowing where my seventeen year old angel is. There's 15 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: no way I can really fathom that. But Valerie Tendalls 16 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: parents had to endure that. And the really chilling part 17 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: of it is that for those one hundred and seventy 18 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: three days, her body was buried beneath the ground less 19 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: than one hundred yards away from their front steps. I'm 20 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body Backs Dave, we 21 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: love those babies. Hard to get past that, don't want 22 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: to get past it. It's hard to take the measure 23 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: of the grief of a parent. You know, when you're 24 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: out of touch with your kids. It's a handwringing moment 25 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: in time. I guess some people are you know, will say, well, 26 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: they're on their own, they're out of the house. But 27 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about seventeen year old here. They're not out 28 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: on their own. We're talking about a seventeen year old 29 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: high school student who, by the way, I have to 30 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: state this, values parents had moved to the town of Arlington, Indiana, 31 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: in order, in their words, to get away from the 32 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: crime that apparently, according to them, infested Indianapolis. They wanted 33 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: to move to this safe, rural location and they got 34 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: away from Indianapolis. But once they lighted in Arlington, you know, 35 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: all hell breaks loose. 36 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: They can't find their adding that so many of the 37 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: stories that we do, Joe, are out in the country 38 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: where you think everything's safe, never expected anything like this. 39 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: We hear that a lot. 40 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, a different level of horror, isn't it. It almost 41 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: makes it more horrific. I think it's an introduction of chaos. 42 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: Chaos is exactly what Patrick Scott brings to Valerie Tyndall's family. 43 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: You know, Valerie Tyndall worked for Patrick Scott for about 44 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: two years. She's seventeen years old, he's fifty nine. And 45 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: Valerie's mom said that Valerie Tyndall and Patrick Scott had 46 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: a very close bond. 47 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: They just clicked. 48 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: And mom says she wasn't really worried about the fifty 49 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: nine year old Scott and her seventeen year old daughter 50 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: until she noticed that Patrick Scott started acting like a 51 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: jealous boyfriend with regard to Valerie Tyndall. Bothered mom a 52 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: little bit. Wednesday, Gen seventh, Valerie says she's had to work. 53 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: Mom says, really, because Valerie doesn't usually work Wednesdays, so 54 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: mom was worried that afternoon when Valerie Tendall doesn't come 55 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: home from work, her mom reaches out by self, tries 56 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: calling and goes right to voicemail, tries texting, there's no reply. 57 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: She calls Patrick Scott and he says, if she wasn't 58 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: working with me today, immediately point on the phone with cops. 59 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: We've got to file a missing person's report and they 60 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: begin the search. It's five months later, five months and 61 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: Patrick Scott has been caught lying to believe several times. 62 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: Five months of searching, and Valerie Tendall's body is found 63 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: inside a homemade box a coffin and buried less than 64 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: one hundred yards from her family's back door. 65 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: Hang on, let me do the math real quick. 66 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: Forty two years, Yeah, forty two. He's fifty nine, she's seventeen. 67 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: Forty two years. You think about that, Why would you 68 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: other than wanting to maybe help a kid that you 69 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: see maybe has some potential, maybe you see something in 70 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: them where they might be a hard worker. But beyond that, Wow, 71 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: why in the world would you have any interest in 72 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old child because she's a child? 73 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: She's child? 74 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: Dare I don't understand it. And let me say one 75 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: more thing. I was talking about the beauty of being, 76 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: you know, in kind of a more isolated area, you 77 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: feel safe. My contention always has been I don't believe 78 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: in the image of the devil that we have in 79 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: our brain, where he's cloven hoofs and a long red 80 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: tail and horns and all that. I think the devil 81 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: shows up most of the time and is something that 82 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: might be attractive. I think that that's what ain and 83 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: attraction can come in any number. It can come with 84 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: the comforting of parents, you know, to let them know, hey, 85 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: you've landed it a good place. We're right here. I've 86 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: got my granddaughter here. She's your daughter's age. You know, 87 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 1: everything's cool. Hey, you want a job, I got a job. 88 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: I got a job. 89 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now I'll take her out to dinner every 90 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: now and then. Whatn't the hell is a fifty nine 91 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: year old man doing taking a seventeen year old out 92 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: for dinner? 93 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: And they did go to dinner. No, yeah, Patrick Scott 94 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: claimed it was just a thank you dinner, that's all. 95 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: It was just a thank you dinner, just saying thanks. 96 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: But when you start adding these up, Valerie Tyndall's mother, 97 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: Sherry Sanderfer, said that Patrick Scott started acting like a 98 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: jealous boyfriend when it came to Valerie Tindall add that 99 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: with Scherry Sanderfer told WRTV that someone else overheard Patrick 100 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: Scott telling Valerie Tindall that he was planning on taking 101 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 2: her out to lunch some place special in Indianapolis, and 102 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: he did this just hours before she vanished. If you're 103 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: gonna do a big thank you dinner or lunch. Then 104 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: you're gonna invite her mom and dad her, You're gonna 105 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: invite your granddaughter. If it's just to say thank you, 106 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: somebody else is coming. It's not gonna just be the 107 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: two of you. 108 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, and I think that that's the here. But 109 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, this fellaw. He flips this script around and 110 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: he's saying, essentially, according to the police, he confessed, and 111 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: he confessed to this, and in his confession he's making 112 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the statement where this is the ultimate in victim blaming 113 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: to me, that you're going to put this on the 114 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: shoulders of a seventeen year old child. And we know this, Dave, 115 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: You and I have covered a lot of territory with 116 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: one another. We know this that dead can never ever 117 00:07:42,760 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: defend themselves. I'd thrown up number when we first started off, 118 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 1: days upon days upon weeks upon weeks that Valerie, seventeen 119 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: year old Valerie Tendall was missing. The way the circumstances 120 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: are kind of playing out in this case, and again 121 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody this is ongoing investigation at 122 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: this point in time, but what has alleged to have 123 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: happened was that she vanished. She vanished. Valerie just vanished 124 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: into thin air after having last been seen in his 125 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: company or approximating his company. And remember their homes. Their 126 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: homes are, like I said, about one hundred yards apart. 127 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: That's a football field, Dave, that's a football field. 128 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: The Scott home is about is behind technically speaking from 129 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: where the road is, it's behind the Tendall home. Now 130 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: to get to the time line. Valerie Tindall last scene 131 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: June seventh. She tells her parents that she's going to 132 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: work for Patrick Scott, going to work just like normal. 133 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: She vanishes and within a matter of days, you know, 134 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: Patrick Scott is going to be somebody they're going to 135 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: look at. You're always going to look at the last 136 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: person with the person who's missing. On June tenth, Indiana 137 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: State Police issued a silver alert for Valerie Tindall. October eleventh, 138 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: cadaver dogs search Scott's home and indicate a body somewhere. 139 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: That's October eleventh. The police keep coming. They search his property, 140 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: they are looking everywhere. They're not really showing their cards, 141 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: but it's enough for him to know he's not just 142 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: a suspect. He is their main suspect. The last person 143 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: with her October twelfth police spot disturbed earth on Scott's property. 144 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: Now you've been down this this road many times before 145 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: with investigations. How do you tell when dirt has been 146 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: If you've got a lot of property, how do you tell. 147 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Old timer's use to refer to it is turned to earth? 148 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, it's It's definitely different when you think 149 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: about the what we refer to in death investigation and 150 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: specifically forensic anthropology, when you're looking at the teponomy of soil, 151 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: and that's all the composition of the soil, the surrounding area, 152 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: if there is activity that's going in or going on 153 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: around there. It's very simple too. This is again we're 154 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: not going to the moon. You've got an area of 155 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: turned or disturbed earth where there is little or no 156 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: packing to the soil, and you can look at it 157 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: and contrast it very quickly with the other surrounding area, 158 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: which is most of the time very tightly packed. I 159 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: hope that everyone if you live in a standalone residence 160 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: or you know, or maybe in your backyard you've got 161 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: a flower bed, okay, and then you look at the 162 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: rest of your yard where it's distinctly packed down where 163 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: you're you know, you've got grass growing, you've got a lawn, 164 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: more going over the area with turned earth, if you've 165 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: got a flower bed, for instance, you'll see clots of earth, 166 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: clots of dirt, and also one of the biggest telltale signs, 167 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: and this is what they saw. 168 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: They did. 169 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: They actually did a drone fly over day and one 170 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: of the things that you see are not necessarily what 171 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: you would think with earth being mounded up. It's actually 172 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: these small little depressions that are in the soil and 173 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: these can be spotted pretty quickly even from the air. 174 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,119 Speaker 1: You'll see that little bits of earth in very specific 175 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: spaces where the soil appears to have a sunken appearance 176 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: to it. And I don't know if this is in 177 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: great surprise to you, Dave, but I got I'm going 178 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: to say something here that sent a chill up my spine. 179 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: That is that they did see evidence of an area 180 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: in his backyard of disturbed earth. But Dave, they also 181 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: said that they saw multiple areas of disturbed earth on 182 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: his property. Now, when I begin to hear that, for 183 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: me and I think about an older fellaw who has 184 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: taken a life by his own admission, according to the 185 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: police of a seventeen year old, and you've got a 186 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: relationship that is, let's face it, it's abnormal. And yes, 187 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: just so we understand, there are certain things in life 188 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: that are abnormal. Okay, this is not a normal set 189 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: of circumstances. You begin to think, if you've got multiple 190 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: sites of disturbed earth, my gosh, man, what else could 191 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: to this. 192 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: Point that one? 193 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: I'll give you one. More. Locals were involved in this 194 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: investigation as are I say are currently locals are involved 195 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: in it. State police are involved in it. They've had 196 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Forty four zero FBI agents 197 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: involved in this case. You do not get forty FBI 198 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: agents involved in anything unless they're highly motivated where they're 199 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: thinking there's more to this, and it just I was 200 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: gobsmacked when I heard the number of recent because you know, 201 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: you have to look at that. Let's look at it 202 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: in dollar signs, and we all know if you look 203 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: at it from dollar signs, you know the government, you know, 204 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: this seems like they spend money on anything. But when 205 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: you think about the manpower that's assigned to this, I 206 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: don't even know where would you go to get forty 207 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: FBI agents in state of Indiana. Well that tells me that, yeah, 208 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: they probably have field offices that are involved in this. 209 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: But when you start to get up into those numbers 210 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: like that, you're talking about potentially bringing in specialists from 211 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: other locations. Certainly their evidence Response team is probably out there. 212 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: That's the famous ERT teams that come out and do this. 213 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know if they've got other assets that 214 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: may have descended in this location from Langley. Perhaps we 215 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: don't know because nothing has really come out relative to that, 216 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: and the FEDS are notorious for keeping their mouth shut. 217 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: Mister Scott was charged in June with providing false information 218 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: to police after lying about the last time he saw 219 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: that Galery Tendall. He allegedly told police that he had 220 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: dropped her off in town Homer, which is located about 221 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: five miles south of Arlington, and that got she had 222 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: gotten into a car with an unknown person. That was 223 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: his first story to police. You know you're the last 224 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: person with her, What did you guys do? They knew 225 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: that was a lie. So if you've got the next 226 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: door neighbor, a fifty nine year old man who this 227 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: young woman mom says the relationship seemed odd, He seemed 228 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: to look at her like he's a jealous boyfriend. Police 229 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: are coming down on him, but that's it. He lies 230 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: to him, and that's they don't do anything. 231 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: Well. 232 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: Two months after that, in August of twenty twenty three, 233 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: the Rush County Sheriff's Department said investigators quote believe it 234 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: is possible that Valerie has been receiving aid from an 235 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: individual or individuals whose goal is to keep her hidden. 236 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: I remember covering this and thinking, somebody, did she run 237 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: away on her own? First things first, did she run 238 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: away and now somebody is helping her stay gone? Or 239 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: did somebody kidnap her and they are hiding her away 240 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: because somehow these the police believe she is still alive. 241 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: At that point, I'm just curious. You've got a fifty 242 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: nine year old next door neighbor that she works for, 243 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: who the mom says that he's too close to her. 244 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: He kind of acts like a jelous boyfriend. Then you 245 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: got the police saying we think somebody's helping her stay hidden. 246 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: I have to wonder what the police were actually, you know, 247 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: were they being truthful when they said that, or were 248 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: they lay in breadcrumbs? Were they trying to bring this 249 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: guy out. 250 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know. My gut reaction is to 251 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: say that that is probably the case. There's a sad 252 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: side to that because if that's what they're putting out 253 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: in public, I wonder if that's what they're telling the family, 254 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: because in making that statement, you're providing the family with 255 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: something you can't back up, which is hope, hope, and 256 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: and that's a sad, sad set of circumstances to even consider. 257 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: I think it's the worst of. 258 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: The rigigation, Joe. 259 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: Would they set the family off of the side and say, hey, 260 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: we're going to put something out in the public. Would 261 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 2: they do that with the family? I don't know. 262 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: I think that it could happen. I'll put it to 263 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: you that way, all right, It could very well happen. 264 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: How in the world, you know, if you're a parent, 265 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: you can maintain restraint during that period of time, because 266 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I'm going to the closest 267 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: microphone I can find. I want my baby back home. 268 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: I want to be able to wrap my arms around her. 269 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: And in this case, I think that they were attempting 270 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: to exhaust every resource that they had. But it seems 271 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: to me that they knew something early on, and they 272 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: had peg Scot back when this thing initially kicked off, 273 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: because you know, you you I don't know, and we 274 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: don't know a lot about the family dynamic. Yet we 275 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: do know there's one assertion by her mother that she 276 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: had had trouble when she was younger. So what was 277 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: that trouble was in nature of the trouble. I think 278 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: that a lot of this will eventually be revealed and 279 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: we'll know more, But to this point, we don't know 280 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: if that had had she ever run away before? And 281 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: I think that that's something to consider because look, I mean, 282 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: face it, kids run away every day. So if you've 283 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: got that kind of background, they're gonna look at that. 284 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: They're gonna say, Okay, is this is this evidence that 285 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: she has perhaps if she's previously run away, perhaps she's 286 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: done this again, and they're going to exhaust that. But 287 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, as Tom moves on with this case and 288 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: over these loathies many many weeks that she's been missing. 289 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: We're talking about from June of twenty twenty three up 290 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: until they have recovered valorious remains in November of twenty 291 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: twenty three. Uh, they've had to exhaust everything till and 292 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a narrow wing from the perspective 293 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: of an investigation. You're trying to uh, you're trying to 294 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: get rid of any kind of outliers that might not 295 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: that are going to take you down a dead end path. 296 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: And I think all paths at this point at least 297 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: lead discuss I've had so many families over the course 298 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: of my career say to me, I want to see 299 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: the body. I want to see the body, mister Morgan, 300 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: and I'll try to tell them, no, no, you can't 301 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: do that. There's too much trauma, or your loved ones 302 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: remains are so decomposed. And you know what mothers always 303 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: say to me, Dave, in those circumstances, they always say, 304 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: I want to see my baby's body because I know 305 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: that I will recognize my baby. I would recognize my 306 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: baby under any circumstances. And as it turns out with Valerie, 307 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: they did find her body, but there was no need. 308 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: There was no need for the mother to see her 309 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: in the condition in which I believe that they probably 310 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: found her because they were able to identify her in 311 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: a very unique way. Actually, the first point of identification 312 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: along this horrible story was a color fingernails. 313 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: Working to the documents and observe, an officer actually observed 314 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: the human remains located within a box and he described 315 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: instantly spotting orange fingernails on the deceased body. And that 316 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: was it for all the police there. The search was over. 317 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 2: They knew right then that that was Valerie. Granted, you know, 318 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: you're going to have to go through all of the 319 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: other you have to identify this positively, and they have 320 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: done that now. But it was the fingernail color or 321 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: bright orange that matched a photograph they found on social 322 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: media that Valerie Tenttle posted on June seventh. So now 323 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: we're looking at this day and time where the body 324 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: found on Patrick Scott's property inside a homemade box constructed 325 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: of two by fours and strand boards. A second box 326 00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: was located that contained papers and old VHS tapes. Within 327 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: a matter of days of Valerie Tendall going missing, patrick 328 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: Scott's barn garage burned down. That seems awfully suspicious to me, Joe, 329 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: that all of a sudden you have a major fire 330 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: where we know a missing seventeen year old spent a 331 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: lot of time. 332 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't you know, remember he had a lawn service, 333 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: and so you would think that he'd probably keep his 334 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: equipment probably approximating that area or within that structure, But 335 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: he was actually seen Dave taking a part or disassembling 336 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: the barn, which I don't know if you've ever done this, 337 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: but I've disassembled buildings out buildings before. It's no, you know, 338 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: it's no. It's not for the faint of heart. It 339 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: takes work to do this, but to go to the trouble, 340 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: to dismantle the structure that's been on the property and 341 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: then to set fire to it, you know, I think 342 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: any reasonable investigator would ask the question, what's going on here? 343 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: What was the purpose of this? Were you planning to 344 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: erect another structure? Did you have a burn permit? You know, 345 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: all these sorts of things that they can look at 346 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: and try to understand. And then how does this area 347 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: approximate the area where she was buried? Was the debris 348 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: then placed over the top of her remains or where 349 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: her remains were found? And I had a thought about this, 350 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about cadaver dogs, I'm really wondering. 351 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: And we all know what burn debris smells like, and 352 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: structure materials they have a unique smell when you burn them. 353 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: It's not like going out in the woods and just 354 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: collecting firewood, because they're treated. You know, you've got other 355 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: debris that are in there, and it's got this unique smell. 356 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if somebody would utilize this in an attempt 357 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: to mask the smell of decomposing remains. I wonder if 358 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: that might be the case for something like this. 359 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: I didn't think about that until right this minute, as 360 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: you were saying that. Joe didn't occur to me. But 361 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: we all know that human remains the decomposition it has 362 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: an odor that is very unique once you smell. I 363 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: hate to say this, but when you smell the dead body, 364 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: you know immediately what it is and you'll never forget it. 365 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: You know. I thought about this, and I'm thinking, you know, 366 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: if you were to be the type of person that 367 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: would go out and actually kill a seventeen year old 368 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: and you're wanting to mask it, you know how better 369 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: to do that, because maybe you're wise enough to the 370 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: point where you know that just burying them well contain 371 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: building a container and wrapping them in plastic, by the way, 372 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: is going to be insufficient to the task. Even if 373 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: you put them beneath the earth. You know, you've watched 374 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: enough TV to know that dogs are smart and they're 375 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: wise to this sort of thing based upon their spectrum 376 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: which they smell. So you're thinking, you know, is that 377 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: a possibility? Is that something that happened? But Dave, I 378 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: got to back up for a second, because I'm really 379 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: intrigued by this idea that they've found this other and 380 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: it is a separate adjacent box, which Scott allegedly claimed 381 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: that he had been putting stuff in since July, I think. 382 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: And what they found in there you stated were miscellaneous 383 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: papers in VHS tapes. Now, I gotta tell you, my 384 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: kids came up in the nineties. I had more VHS 385 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: tapes than I can shake a stick at. I mean 386 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: tons of them, and because they watched them constantly. VHS 387 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: tapes are fragile. And if you're going to burn something, 388 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a fire anyway and you don't 389 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: want it around, why aren't you going to burn VHS tapes? 390 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: Why not? I mean, they're easily enough destroyed. Why would 391 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: you create a separate vessel, if you will, in order 392 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: to contain them? Why would you value VHS tapes so 393 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: much and these miscellaneous papers, whatever those are. But why 394 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: would you value those tapes so much that you would 395 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: put them into this separate vessel and bury them and 396 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: hold on to them. 397 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: We have a story from Patrick Scott. That's the only 398 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: story that we do not know cause of death. 399 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: No yet we don't. 400 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: All right, what am I going to find? He says. 401 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: Valerie Tendall, the seventeen year old came to his house 402 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: and came on to him sexually, made a pass at 403 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: him because she wanted to blackmail him over buying here 404 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: a new car. Yeah, she wanted him to buy her 405 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: a car. And I'm trying to figure out exactly you 406 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: know what, because if she was going to blackmail him 407 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: as easily just there would be no need for any 408 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: kind of sexual activity between the two. She would merely 409 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: just claim it and that would be the end of it. 410 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Yes, so this is your default position if you have 411 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old that approaches you with this proposal. 412 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that you try to rape me 413 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: or have a sexual relationship with me in order to 414 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: get you to purchase. So your default position is and 415 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: this is by his own admission, Dave, he takes his 416 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: belt off, which was I guess holding up his trousers, 417 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: wraps it around her neck allegedly according to him, and 418 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: begins to apply pressure w said belt to her neck until, 419 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: according to him, this is his words, quote, she quit. 420 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: What does that mean? She quit? She quit advancing, she 421 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: quit threatening, or she quit breathing. So that's your living that? 422 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: That's yeah, quit living that. That's your response. You're you're 423 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: not running out of the room and screaming from the housetops. 424 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: You know that this this young girl is trying to 425 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: blackmail me or do whatever. No, your response is to 426 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: take a belt off and wrap around her neck. Here. 427 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: Here's here's the really bizarre thing. According to the police, 428 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: he's still wearing that belt. 429 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, put it right back on, put it right 430 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: back and. 431 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: Continued to wear the belt. And for me, you couple, 432 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: let me just go on a limb here, and let's 433 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: just say a hypothetical, hypothetical circumstance. You've got an individual 434 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: that is interested in taking the life of someone, let's 435 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: say a teenager, and you want to memorialize them in 436 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: some way because it's what you do, and so you 437 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: want to hold on to the instrument of death, and 438 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: not just hold on to it, but wear it to 439 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: hold up your trousers. And you're going to retain VHS 440 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: tapes as well and bury them not some distance, Dave, 441 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: but immediately adjacent to the remains of the seventeen year 442 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: old that he has alleged, by his own words, he 443 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: is alleged to have killed whit said belt. Something's not 444 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: adding up here for me. 445 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: Here's the problem with this story. The alleged killer says 446 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: that she was coming on to him sexually and that 447 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: she was trying to blackmail him into by buying a car, 448 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 2: so he was so put off by it. He was 449 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: so disgusted by her play for him sexually that he 450 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: wrapped his belt around her neck and strangled her. If 451 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: her play is to blackmail him into buying a car, 452 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: she wouldn't have had to make a play for him 453 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: sexually if that was the end game. The end game 454 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 2: isn't that she has sex with you and you you know, 455 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: then she blackmails you into buying a car. That doesn't 456 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: play right because he's claiming that they didn't do anything. 457 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: I'm saying, is there going to be proof now, Joe? 458 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: This five months later, her body is wrapped in a box. 459 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that her because they could tell the fingernails 460 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: were bright orange. That this young woman was not burned 461 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: in the gar in the fire. No, that her body is. 462 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: It's going to be decomposed somewhat. 463 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: But could they determine it not somewhat significantly A lot. Yeah, 464 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: for folks that have I've spent time in Indiana in 465 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: the summertime, it's hot, it's humid. She went missing back 466 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: in June. And here's the other thing about the degree 467 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: to which she was probably decomposed. She's wrapped in plastic. 468 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: And so what does plastic do. Well, we know that 469 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: if we wrap anything in plastic, the item that is wrapped, well, 470 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: the plastic sweats, so that creates humidity. It retains heat too. 471 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: It's going to promote ongoing decompositional process. I would probably 472 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: state that at least some of her body contained. Even 473 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: though it was contained, some of her body was probably 474 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: skeletonized to a certain degree. Now that doesn't mean that 475 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: her body was disarticulated or anything like that. It just 476 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: simply means that over a period of time under this 477 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: intense heat, because there would have been heat even though 478 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: she's buried in the earth because of the containment of 479 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: the body, the body is braining down and in this 480 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: environment with the kind of this wet, humid environment contained 481 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: within the structure that he, by the way, has created 482 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: with screws. He's actually screwed this thing together. According to him, 483 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: did he make. 484 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: It just to the purposes of putting her body in it? 485 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yeah, that he did. He structured this thing 486 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: and it's like a homemade coffin. 487 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Joe. Because there were disturbed 488 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: areas all over his property. Police served fifty search warrants 489 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: related to this case. Fifty search warrants over five months. 490 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: We know they found areas, several areas disturbed on the property. 491 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: Is it possible that he was taking the box that 492 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: he made for Valerie Tendall and moving her body around 493 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: on the property? 494 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: Wow? I haven't again, you hit me with that one. 495 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: I haven't considered that. But that's that's a heck of 496 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: a risk because you know, every time you remove this 497 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: structure that contains valories remains. First off, you're drawing attention 498 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: to yourself not only in the removal, but also the 499 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: digging of another hole that is sufficient to the size 500 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: of this thing to contain it. And if they've got 501 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: multiple disturbed areas, is that what was going on? Was this? 502 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: Was he bright enough to go out and just randomly 503 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: dig holes and then cover them back up to throw 504 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: people off the scent? No pun intents. 505 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: Sense though, wouldn't it, because they found all these disturbed areas. 506 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: And if they're out there looking at disturbed areas and 507 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: the police get all excited about it, we think we 508 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: found something to get out there and it's nothing after 509 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: a while, you know, you, I don't know. All I 510 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: know is what he's telling us. And his story makes 511 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: no sense. That seventeen year old girl was not hitting 512 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: on him. That seventeen year old girl might have been 513 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: talking to him in a nice way. Maybe they did 514 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: bond according to her mother, that they had a relationship. 515 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: But if this seventeen year old girl, his story makes 516 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 2: no sense to me at all, the alleged killer story, 517 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: it just doesn't fly. 518 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: No, I mean, sim he's defending himself, Joe. 519 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: He is preventing this seventeen year old woman from overpowering 520 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: him to have sex with him so that she can 521 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 2: then blackmail him into buying her a new guard. 522 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even per his statement Dave that he has made. 523 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: He states that Valerie began to take her disrobe to 524 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: take her clothes off. Again, that doesn't marry up with 525 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: someone that is attempting to blackmail. We all know nowadays 526 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: there's people that are falsely accused all the time, and 527 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone disrobed at any point 528 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: in time. All you merely have to do is make 529 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: a statement, Okay, this individual did this to me at 530 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: this particular time. But at the time of our recording 531 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: right now, I can tell you this values remains are 532 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: apparently so decomposed or at that point where they are 533 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: still trying to validate perhaps what Scott has stated. As 534 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: far as the cause of death, they have not come 535 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: out as of the date of this recording with a 536 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: definitive cause of death for her. We're going to keep 537 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: our eye on this case and just kind of see 538 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: how this developed. See if the state police or the 539 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: local corner comes out with a statement that says definitively 540 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: that they can confirm what he has stated. Because they're 541 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: going to be looking for specific things. I'm thinking that 542 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: it is going to take much more time than perhaps 543 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: some of the authorities thought that it might because if 544 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: you have a body that's been down this long, sometimes 545 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: you lose that. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is 546 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: bodybacks