1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'm Buzzsnight. 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: I'm the host of the Taking a Walk podcast series 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: and I'm over the moon thrilled to be here in 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: Nashville for a series of Taking a Walk episodes and 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: I hope you follow us wherever you find your podcast 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: Apple podcast or Spotify or wherever. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Today our guest. 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Is a singer songwriter who is on a roll with 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: his third release on Triple Tiger Records, self titled LP three. 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Russell Dickerson is our guest on Taking a Walk. Welcome Russell, Yes, sir, 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: thanks for having me. Man, Well, thanks for being here. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: Now how long do I have to know you before 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: I can say r D three seconds? 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: I love it absolutely, just like everyone in Nashville. You 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: make me feel at home immediately. Yeah. Where are you from. 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm from the Boston area. God, I hear it now 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: now please? Oh just when you said Boston, I didn't 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: grow up there. 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: I grew up in Stanford, Connecticut, outside of New York 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: City's still up there, Yeah, still all up there, way 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: up there. 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: It's still considered up there. So congratulations on the role 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: you are on. 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: Do you feel the pressure of trying to top yourself 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: after your recent success and then when your next success happens, I. 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, I guess a little bit, but not like 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: exciting pressure, you know, like if we never hit the 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: mark again, like we've had a great run, but you know, 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: it's there's definitely more to come, for sure, and it's 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: just it's just an exciting pressure to even have this 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: much success in the first place, you know. 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, a little bit, but I like it. I 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: like pressure. 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: I think people use that energy of pressure mostly to 35 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: their advantage. 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Some people freak out about. 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: It, but I think it sounds like you've got it 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: well under control. 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I do. Yeah, indeed, indeed. 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: So you're a student of the nineties and the two 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: thousand Country Oh Stars, absolutely tell me about some of 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 2: those influencers for you. 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: I mean, first and foremost Garth Brooks, you know, that's 44 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: that would be my my number one just just the songs, 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: the entertainment aspect, like I love the live show aspect 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: of my career and put everything into that. And I 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: learned that from him, like to see his tours and 48 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: his his like just his theatrics and his performances like 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: that's I think that's why he's still selling tickets, selling 50 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: out stadiums to this day. Is that connection with the 51 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 3: fan and the in the live environment, and so that's 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: probably the most foundational influence in my music. And then 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: Tim McGraw is probably probably number two of the songs 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: and the the the. 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Voice, you know, like his. 56 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: I got to tour timocgral all summer this year and 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: just to watch him and to be on tour with 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: one of my heroes was insane. 59 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: I learned so much. And third would probably be I mean. 60 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: Michael Jackson what I just I love Michael Jackson man. 61 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: I love his like the percussiveness of his music and 62 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: his songs and just the epicness of his songs. 63 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: And obviously stage president as well. 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: So in terms of performers though that you've seen, obviously 65 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: you'd rank Garth tim And then did you ever see 66 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: MJ in performing? 67 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Though No, never saw MJ live. 68 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: I wish stage presence, Yeah, I mean Keith Urban is 69 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: way up there for me too, like the epitome of 70 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: entertainer for sure, and how he does it playing guitar 71 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: as well is like mind blowing to me. 72 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: He does such a great job. 73 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: So when you were out with Tim McGraw, what did 74 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: you learn even by osmosis from a guy like that. 75 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: While you were with him a lot, Oh. 76 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: Man, Well, first of all, he always said it's all 77 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: about the songs. Songs are the first step to anything else, 78 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: and that really stuck with me. And second was me 79 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: and my wife talk about it. We call like Tim 80 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: McGraw on stage, he just sticks it, and because me, 81 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: I'm I'm all over the place, I'm over here, i'm 82 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: over there, i'm out front, i'm in the back, I'm 83 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: on the drums, you know whatever, and Tim mcgrawl. 84 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: Just goes out there, sticks it. 85 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: He'll just like not as cowboy hat or something, and 86 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: everybody just loses it, you know, And I'm like, dang, 87 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: there's something so powerful about just like owning the moment 88 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: and owning the song and just staying there. Because when 89 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: I first started performing, like nobody knew who I was, 90 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: nobody knew my song, so I had to go out 91 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: there and entertain them in some way. 92 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: And so I was like, all. 93 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: Right, well, we're just going to put on a great 94 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: live show. And then, you know, as things build and 95 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: people you know, start having as I have a couple 96 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 3: hits and stuff, I realized that, like I can just 97 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: stick it now, like they know the song. I don't 98 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: have to, you know, teach them the lyrics or do 99 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: anything to egg them on, Like they're here to hear 100 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: these songs. And so I really learned that, especially with 101 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: like Yours and Love You, like I used to more 102 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: of the ballad leaning songs like just stick it, man, 103 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: let them sing it, sing to them and just own 104 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: that moment. 105 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: Is it a bit like the zone like athletes talk 106 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: about when you're performing. 107 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it really is. 108 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: Like there's this just like adrenaline takeover that happens. 109 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: Do you ever get out there and then go, hmmm, 110 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel completely right at this moment, but I'm 111 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: gonna pull it off. It's not gonna deter me. Is 112 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: there ever moments that you have to like call it audible? 113 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 114 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes, you know, we'll have dependent on crowds, and you know, 115 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 3: we've always got little like changes built in that we 116 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: can we can like, hey, let's get let's get to 117 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 3: this song because I feel like they would buy that 118 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: or like, you know this song. 119 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know like that. 120 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 3: We have stuff built into our set to where we 121 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 3: can tweak on the fly and you know, call an 122 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: audible and be like, oh dude, what about this song, 123 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: Like we should just pop this one in there. 124 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: I think they'd love it, or yeah. 125 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah that And there's enough of a camaraderie obviously with 126 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: your with your band and the whole close knit nature 127 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: that everybody can kind of read the signs R Yeah exactly. 128 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. How much fun is it though? Be it out there? Oh? 129 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: I love it? That's my favorite part about it, Like. 130 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: Just especially now, like having well, even with Tim McGraw, 131 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: we had a fifty minute set and this was the 132 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: first time ever in my career that I was able 133 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: to play a majority of my set was hits. That's 134 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: the first time that's ever happened for me. And it's 135 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: just a whole different ballgame now to go out there 136 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: and start off with home suite and then go straight 137 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: into every little thing and then you know, play a 138 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: couple songs and then boom yours and then love you like. 139 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: I used to Blue Tacoma. 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: She liked, Like just it was this new experience for 141 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: me as a performer to have a majority of my 142 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: set songs that people knew, because for so long nobody 143 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: knew anything. Like I said, it's like you just had 144 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: to keep going and teach it to them or just 145 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: play it and hope they like it. But yeah, that 146 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: was an amazing experience with Tim McGraw that people knowing 147 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: all the songs. 148 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: Do you remember your first performance and concert pool? 149 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: The first one, like full band, I think that I 150 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: remember was playing my hometown's County Fair. I think that 151 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: was the first time I got a bunch of my 152 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: buddies together. We hopped then my aunt's RV. We drove 153 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: three hours. We piled everybody in the family, everybody. 154 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: And how many people did you fit? 155 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I mean probably at least twelve sick. There 156 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: was like six people in the band, and we just 157 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: played played the Yeah, the County Fair, and you know, 158 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: I had like three four songs at the time, so 159 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: we played a bunch of covers and all that stuff, 160 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: And that was like the first like Russell Dickerson show. 161 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: I think nobody would book me obviously, but you know 162 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: I knew people in my hometown that would that would 163 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 3: let me. 164 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Play the fair. 165 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 3: Did you ever have doubts early on? No, not really. 166 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: It was never like it was never like is this 167 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: ever going to happen? It was just like when like 168 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: how long, how especially further down the road like before 169 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: you know, like twenty fourteen, fifteen, even sixteen, Like when 170 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: you know, we've been grinding, We've been grinding and grinding, 171 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: and like when is it gonna pop? Like what's the 172 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: tipping point? And you just got to keep writing, keep playing, 173 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: keep hustling. And then we had yours come out and 174 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: then it all changed from there. 175 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: But as a man, had a great faith. You know, 176 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: if there's low moments, you call upon faith. 177 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: Right absolutely, Yeah, got to have faith in something greater 178 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: than yourself, you know, faith in God and faith in yourself. 179 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: And that's what I think kept me going this whole time. 180 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk. 181 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: About a difficult time, the years of as we would 182 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: call it, the pandemic years. 183 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: How difficult was that as a creative artist? 184 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it came at for me personally. 185 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: It came at such a there's two ways to look 186 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: at it, Like as I'm on the rise, you know, 187 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: as I'm coming up and coming up, it's like boom 188 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: shut down. 189 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: But also I think I needed it so bad because. 190 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: This was I mean we started probably twenty thirteen fourteen, 191 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: like touring all the time, and so this is year seven, 192 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: year seven of just. 193 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: Grind, and I didn't realize how much I. 194 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: Needed that, just to not be touring four days a 195 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: week and be home and just enough to do laundry, 196 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: and it really gave me time to think and reflect 197 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: and prepare and kind of catch my breath with. 198 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: This new album. Honestly, to. 199 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: Like this is I feel like this is the first 200 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: album where I really go back in time and dig 201 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: up old memories from high school and college and all 202 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: that stuff. So it really did give me time to reflect. 203 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: And I mean, my wife was pregnant all of twenty twenty. 204 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: We had our son in September, and it was just 205 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: like such a perfect time to be home and be 206 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: there together and just prepare for parenthood. 207 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, my sense is creatively, you really used it during 208 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: that time to your advantage. 209 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 210 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: Honestly, I was finishing up Southern Symphony, my second album. 211 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: Everything was already recorded, so we were just mixing and mastering. 212 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: So that was like the first part of the pandemic. 213 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: And then after that, man. 214 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: I just just really tried to I mean, yes, I 215 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: did get start crazy because we couldn't perform and it 216 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: was frustrating, but I knew. I kept telling myself, I'm like, dude, 217 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: you're gonna wish you had this time off. 218 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: It come twenty one, twenty two. 219 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: And I do, like, I like, I miss I would 220 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: love a week off right now, you know, I would 221 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: love that. And so yeah, it's just like it really, 222 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: it really was a time to just accept the fact 223 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 3: that no one can tour, no one can play, and 224 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: just make the best of it and really kind of 225 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: hibernate and store up for, you know, for the years 226 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 3: to come. 227 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: So walk me through the songwriting process. You had a 228 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: lot of great. 229 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: Collaborators on well all your releases, but this one in particular, 230 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: the one that I noted was Lori McKenna. 231 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, so legend. 232 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: So walk me through a typical day in the songwriting 233 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: process with somebody like a like a Lourie McKenna. 234 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: What does that look like? 235 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, there it's so different, it's so varying. 236 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: With Lorie, she lives and I think she lives in Connecticut. 237 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: She lives somewhere up northeast Boston area. Okay, yeah, yeah. 238 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: So it was me and Casey, my producer, and we 239 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: were at his house and she zoomed in and first 240 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: time ever writing with LORI super excited, kind of nervous, 241 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: you know, and like I'm a I'm a connection person, 242 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: so it's like I never really got down with the 243 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: zoom rights and everything. I'm like, I just I need 244 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: to be in person. But she's just so calming and 245 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: so easy going and know like, all right, let's let's go, 246 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: let's let's get this song whatever. 247 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: She's just like just down with the process. 248 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: And I don't know who had the song title, but 249 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: we just kind of started playing. I started playing this 250 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: progression on the guitar, and somebody had maybe it was 251 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: Casey had the title idea, and I just that's that's 252 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: just when I feel like I kind of if I 253 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: if I catch onto a song idea, I can sing 254 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: a chorus just just down like hopefully, you know, with 255 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: something worth saving. And yeah, we just kind of started building, 256 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: like thinking about all the little cute things that my 257 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: wife does and the things that make me smile and 258 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: that I love about her, and we just like kind 259 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: of just built this song obviously from nothing, and. 260 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like wow. After the writer, I was like, wow, 261 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: she really is Laura. 262 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: McKenna, you know, like she's she's just that good and 263 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: it was so easy and which was just like your 264 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: Mama the last one on the album. 265 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And do you think you'll collaborate with her? 266 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah yeah. 267 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: What is it about this this Nashville community that is 268 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: so tight knit and collaborative and welcoming. 269 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: What makes it so special? I just think how real 270 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: everybody is. 271 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: Like other places, they're so self seeking, and I think 272 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: the I think Nashville is just like, yeah, we're we're songwriters, 273 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: we're in the business, and there's like that's not the 274 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: ultimate achievement in life, like kids and family and marriage 275 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: and faith and like all this stuff comes into play. 276 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: And I just feel like people in Nashville have realized that, 277 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: like a number one hit is not the end all 278 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 3: be all to happiness. 279 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's like. 280 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: Having a having a grounded life, having community around you. 281 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: And I just think there's a lot of humility in 282 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: this in this community that is appreciated and practiced. 283 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: So there's a. 284 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: Regular listener of this podcast and that is at the 285 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: favorite Italian restaurant in my hometown called Fiorella. It's her 286 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: name is Sheridan. Sheridan, Yes, and Sheridan's a fan. Come 287 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: on in particular, she likes it. Yeah, I love that. 288 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: So Sheridan got a shout out, shout out a beat. 289 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: She's gonna be pretty thrilled. So tell me about that 290 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: song and sort of the collaboration on that one. 291 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I met Jake. 292 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 3: Through Josh Kerr, who produced a third of this record, 293 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 3: and he posted a song that Jake him and Jake Road. 294 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: I was like, dude, this is so good. We got 295 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: to write, and he came to town. Once we wrote great song, 296 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: came back again and the second song we wrote ever 297 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: together was she likes it. And it was just like 298 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: it's so easy and fun obviously just like the song. 299 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 3: And uh, when we were done, So my studio is 300 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: just down the hill from our house, and we get 301 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: we go back up to the house and my wife 302 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: never listens to music, like over the speakers and like 303 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: she's cooking dinner and we walk in and she's playing 304 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: John Denver on the speakers. Right after we wrote this song, 305 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: talking about playing John Denver on the speakers, Like I 306 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 3: was like, what is happening? 307 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: This is this is not real? 308 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: And so that was just a fun like kind of 309 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 3: confirmation of like, hey, this song might be something, and 310 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: uh I was just like yeah. 311 00:18:54,119 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: Wow, what a moment. Yeah, holyeous Yeah. Why is music 312 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: so special? 313 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: Why is music such a unifying special force in our life? 314 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 4: Can you get to the bottom of this because I can't. 315 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, man. I feel like music 316 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 4: is the only thing. Music and film I think are 317 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: probably the only two like consumable things that can give 318 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 4: you like the chill, bumps and tears, and there's some 319 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 4: sort of like vulnerable storytelling aspect I think with music 320 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 4: that just like can can touch your soul that like 321 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 4: any other form of media can. 322 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty pretty pretty right deep question. 323 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I often think where would we 324 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: be without it? You know, I mean, as beings on 325 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: this earth for as long as we've been here, and 326 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: it moves. 327 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: Us, it shakes us. 328 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I think it's just inside of every 329 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 3: human Like if you even go back to cave days, 330 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: you know, they were making drums and they were making 331 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: music back then, Like it's just something, it's something that 332 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: has to come out of us. And as an artist, 333 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: like so many guys have come up to me and like, dude, 334 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: yours is exactly what I want to say to my wife, 335 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: but I didn't know the words to say, And there's 336 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: just like something inside of them that has led out 337 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: through the music that I created. 338 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: What would you have done if you were as a musician. 339 00:20:51,960 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: Hmmm, Probably be a somalier, I love one, just like 340 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 3: a serial entrepreneur. 341 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: You didn't flinch when you said the smell yay, so i'd. 342 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd do something with wine. 343 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: You would be a wine maker or a that would 344 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: be amazing. Just live in Napa Valley, run a farm, 345 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: make some wine, have a have a black lab with 346 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: me all the time, running through the vineyard. 347 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: Sounds like the light. Dude, quite a scene, right. 348 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: Top three John Denver songs. Oh, you don't have to 349 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: rank them just well, dude. 350 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: I will any song number one that's one of the 351 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: best songs ever. Then I'll go two is tough Sunshine 352 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: on my Shoulder. Maybe not a bad one. I'm just 353 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: thinking of the ones that give me the most feels. 354 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: That one and didn't leave it on a jet plane. 355 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: Probably my top three. All right, Yeah, I mean they're 356 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: all it's hard. It's hard to you know. That's what 357 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Roads wasn't even in there. I know you could do five. 358 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: Cut your road and then did I say Rocky Mountain 359 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: High at No, that's it. 360 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: Russell dick Us and thanks for being absolutely thank you 361 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: for having you. 362 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks. 363 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: Taking a Walk with buzz Night is available on Spotify, 364 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.