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Speaker 1: Wednesday at We're excited for it. Happy New Year to celebrate.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna so get up, crats. I've got two days.

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Speaker 3: Left, the only one, if you got with you.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's true, only one.

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Speaker 1: I might say it on Friday and just yell it

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Speaker 1: out there and hope that like your ear, Like, what

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Speaker 1: are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So I have two days you said Fridays tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Oh so right, maybe I'll skip it and then Friday,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to shout it amongst everyone that can hear.

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Speaker 3: So why don't you just wait till like June New Year?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm playing by your rules. You told me,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: But like, if you don't want to play by the rules,

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Speaker 3: and you can say it in June, we have this

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Speaker 3: argument the year and I'm tired of you not listening

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Speaker 3: to the rules. Scott.

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Speaker 1: You always say that I follow the rules better than everyone,

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Speaker 3: To follow you follow producer ladies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't follow most rules. That's why I'm here. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: We do have some what breaking news at the top

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Speaker 1: that pretty quickly. It's going to make some of our

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Speaker 2: Every day, feel a little bit better. So let's get

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Speaker 3: Let's rut.

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Speaker 1: We've got multiple insiders reporting on how the Cubs are

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Speaker 1: close to acquiring Edward Cabrera from the Miami Marlins. Michael Sarami,

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Speaker 1: who covers the Cubs, was first on the scene. Ken

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Speaker 1: says source confirming that it is close. Edward Cabrera is

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Speaker 1: one of the better starters stuff wise, available on the

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Speaker 1: trade market. We had seen the report the other day

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you think this puts you over the top,

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Speaker 3: I still think they need bat somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but they needed another they did.

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Speaker 3: Their starting rotation is pretty solid right now. No, I

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Speaker 2: They needed this though.

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Speaker 3: Okay, who's five does he take?

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Speaker 2: Well? Steele's not starting right now. I mean he's not back.

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Speaker 1: Until what halfway through the year. If not more right now,

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy. It's Boyd Orton, Immenaga, Edward Cabrera, Jameison,

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Speaker 3: But I don't care where he slots in a rotation.

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Speaker 3: He slots in one of those playoffs starts. I get it.

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Speaker 3: Starters were for the Well, they were scared to use Showda.

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Speaker 3: He threw one hundred and thirty seven innings last year.

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Speaker 2: He's count of layoff starter.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they got to get there and if their offense

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Speaker 2: I think this was the top need. I agree.

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Speaker 3: That I love. How that's been the cubs number one need.

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Speaker 2: Doing this for Mike Mike.

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Speaker 2: Do you know who started?

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Speaker 3: They needed another starting pitcher, especially if you're only starting

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Speaker 3: But I think this pick, this this edition is great

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Speaker 1: Do you know who started Game five, the last game

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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't Sure. Well what killed him was Horton

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Speaker 3: It wasn't SHOWEDO because it was scheduled to be showed

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Speaker 1: Your season on the line, and he's coming on. It has

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Speaker 2: That decides your season. And that's why.

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Speaker 3: But this is what teams have done forever now and

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Speaker 1: Well, had that go in the World Series, we had

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Speaker 2: Did in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes guys make adjustments and they stick. Sometimes guys make

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Speaker 2: No, we said that this past year.

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Speaker 3: He has one more year.

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Speaker 1: The problem with Sandy, I think he might have an

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Speaker 2: So it's two years close to forty mil.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get so many press, so many press plus

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Speaker 1: I'm going to make a prediction on who's involved. Most

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Speaker 2: So we'll see TBD. Let's move on to other free

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Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal Will Salmon posted an article this morning what

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Speaker 2: Where will bo go? Oh? This is a key point

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Speaker 3: we keep getting this is always what happens with these friends,

440
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Speaker 3: you always are like, oh, right, where does he fit?

441
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Speaker 3: Where's the fit? Where's it now? Breakman? Last year there

442
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 3: was obvious places, Chicago, Detroit, Boston. He picked Boston, right,

443
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Speaker 3: But when I look at Bo, can you start breaking

444
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Speaker 3: if he's not going to be a shortstop? Okay, here

445
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Speaker 3: here's the one. The big problem with Bo and Bo

446
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: is an unbelievable hitter. He's been a great player, but

447
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 3: his shortstop value has not very good because people don't

448
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 3: value his defense. True or false.

449
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Speaker 1: We talked about this, I think on the show that

450
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Speaker 1: you weren't on, sure true or false? He has looked

451
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Speaker 1: at as a second baseman by most of baseball.

452
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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, you know who doesn't get paid a ton

453
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Speaker 3: of money? Second basement second base.

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Speaker 1: We actually did a math exercise on this that the

455
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Speaker 1: league is probably saying you're worth five plus mil less.

456
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Speaker 3: Per year by being a second base of being a

457
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Speaker 3: second baseman exactly. So he's but he's still going after

458
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Speaker 3: like he's going to be a shortstop. Teams pay shortstops.

459
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Speaker 3: Correa Swanson, right, guys that can play the shortstop position.

460
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Speaker 2: Well.

461
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Speaker 3: Would have been a really nice fit for him was Atlanta,

462
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Speaker 3: but they went out and got Kim right right, so

463
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Speaker 3: they covered themselves there. That would have been They.

464
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Speaker 2: Might not have looked at him as a shortstop, and

465
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Speaker 2: they need.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. But his agency is saying, I'm a

467
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Speaker 3: short stop. I need to get paid like a short stop.

468
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Speaker 3: The teams are going, well, you're gonna play second for us.

469
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Speaker 3: We're going to pay you like a second basement. That's

470
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Speaker 3: where the Where does he fit and where will bo go?

471
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Speaker 3: Is interesting because what is he?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's twenty seven, he'll be twenty eight by

473
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Speaker 1: spring training range. But he'll get a longer term deal

474
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Speaker 1: and maybe get a little less average annual value then I.

475
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Speaker 3: Mean, if you start running through the teams, okay, run

476
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Speaker 3: through a lot of the teams. Though the teams you

477
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Speaker 3: would think would pay for him, Yankees, well.

478
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Speaker 1: They clearly don't buy him as a shortstop anyway. And

479
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Speaker 1: their vulpy ryder die that's been their thing for a

480
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Speaker 1: long time.

481
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Speaker 3: Red Sox Trevor story is a shortstop.

482
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Speaker 1: Well and also just going back to the Yankees. Right

483
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Speaker 1: now they have Jazz Chishom. They could Jazz and then

484
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Speaker 1: sign Bow if they really like him. But again, are

485
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Speaker 1: you getting better? No, you're just covering yourself the future.

486
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Speaker 1: This is where is going to be a free agent.

487
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Speaker 3: This is where you need because we always hear about

488
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Speaker 3: the mystery teams like in Washington Nationals. This is where

489
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Speaker 3: you needed like Tom Learner to be like, oh, man,

490
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Speaker 3: I really love Boba. Shit, Paul Tavoni, go sign him.

491
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Speaker 3: Oh wait, No, we're not doing that anymore because we're

492
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Speaker 3: now a low market, small market team, right Orioles and

493
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Speaker 3: they have Jackson Holiday and out of the Ruschmon, they're

494
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Speaker 3: not signing him.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Bo's doing anything until Bregman makes his decision,

496
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Speaker 1: because after.

497
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Speaker 3: That then it opens up some clearer paths.

498
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Speaker 1: It could if Bregman doesn't go out Boris no, oh okay,

499
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Speaker 1: because I was like, man, do you think Boris is

500
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Speaker 1: in there going on? Did you hear what Boris said

501
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Speaker 1: at the press conference for Okamoto when they asked why

502
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Speaker 1: free agency has been so slow. He basically said it

503
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Speaker 1: was Ross Atkins' fault, and there actually is it wasn't

504
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Speaker 1: just a joke. I mean it was, but in my mind,

505
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Speaker 1: it's like, wait, the Blue Jays have been talking to

506
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Speaker 1: Kyle Tuck.

507
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Speaker 2: Everyone's waiting for that.

508
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: Once that slots in, bow's gone, right, and it starts

509
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Speaker 1: to lay things out a little bit more.

510
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Speaker 2: No.

511
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if the team really wants Kyle Tucker or

512
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: Boba shit, they just gonna make him a big offer

513
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Speaker 3: and he's gone. I mean, okay, I mean that's we'll

514
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Speaker 3: look at like we use the player. The Mets. They

515
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Speaker 3: have a second basement, they have a short stop, they're out,

516
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Speaker 3: they just traded for Simmy, and they have Lindor. He's

517
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Speaker 3: not going there, right, Okay, So then you start looking

518
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Speaker 3: at the team. Phillies, No, Phillies maybe, but they're not

519
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Speaker 3: gonna spend that they need j T back.

520
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Speaker 2: Philly could make that move.

521
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Speaker 3: They could, but they're gonna have to clear some money.

522
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Speaker 3: They're gonna have trade boonm They're gonna have probably trade

523
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Speaker 3: Brison Stott, and then they got to find a third

524
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Speaker 3: base mh.

525
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Speaker 2: He doesn't he's got a good arm.

526
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Speaker 3: He doesn't profile arm. He doesn't profile, does he crafts?

527
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Speaker 3: He doesn't profile as a third baseman. I don't know.

528
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Speaker 3: That's tough to say. I have a hard time believing

529
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Speaker 3: you're gonna pay money that he wants and say sticky

530
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Speaker 3: out a corner. I don't. I don't think that's to me.

531
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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think that's happening Stott's. Stotts solidified

532
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Speaker 3: himself as a really good second baseman, up and down offense,

533
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: mostly down recently, but now not bow to the Royals.

534
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Speaker 3: Here's here's my here's my sleeper team for you. The Angels.

535
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Speaker 3: Some reason, the Angels always come up with some money

536
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Speaker 3: and they're like, I take a player. He seems like

537
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Speaker 3: a cool player. I remember his dad played Angels. If

538
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Speaker 3: you want a sleeper team, he needs somebody. He needs

539
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Speaker 3: somebody with the Cubs. He needs somebody to say Cubs

540
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Speaker 3: could be interested Diamonds. I don't think the Cubs are

541
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Speaker 3: at all interested.

542
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Speaker 2: The Diamondbacks are that team for Bregman.

543
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Speaker 3: But they got a trade to tell Marty first, No,

544
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Speaker 3: they don't.

545
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Speaker 2: They could have both.

546
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Speaker 3: When are we gonna When are we gonna stop? I

547
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Speaker 3: then bobas she can go to the Diamondbacks. Correct, if

548
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: we can play this all day? What did Mike Tomlins

549
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: say you know, I don't know, so line I was using.

550
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: You guys get mad at me. If my aunt had

551
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: she'd be mine. But yeah, exactly. My thing is. My

552
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: thing is that Diamondbacks can't can't just be just because

553
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: they signed Corbyn Burns because he lives there and had twins.

554
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: Not every player that lives in Arizona is possibly going

555
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Speaker 3: to the Diamondbacks, like just to win, like Bregman wants

556
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Speaker 3: to go to a place like Boston where he has

557
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Speaker 3: a chance to win. Listen, no offense to the Diamondbacks.

558
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Speaker 3: They're not exactly in that division.

559
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Speaker 2: They were in the World Series a few years ago.

560
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Speaker 3: Okaya, similar roster right now, similar roster.

561
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Speaker 2: No, what's the difference.

562
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: They had an ace and Zach Gallona's not back. Mary.

563
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: They're taking flyers on starf darting pitchers, and their bullpen

564
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: was good. They're all coming back from injuries and they're

565
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: hoping that they do as well as they did before.

566
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Speaker 3: To me, if you want to go to the Diamondbacks, if

567
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 3: he goes to Diamondbacks, I'm like, yeah, awesome, I'm taking

568
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: the over all year on the Diamondbacks because there's gonna

569
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: be a lot of runs scored. They have a lot

570
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: of really electric players. They keep Marte, they have Corbyn, Carroll,

571
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: Perdomo took a giant leap forward last year. Awesome, you

572
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: got to keep some runs off the board, is true.

573
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: I love that.

574
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Speaker 1: To a team that's going to give him three years

575
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Speaker 1: in an opt out after one, I would love him

576
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Speaker 1: in New York. He pitches different in New York from

577
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: local against the Yankees or the Mets, he looks different.

578
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't usually care about the local.

579
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Speaker 1: Story, but his numbers are so much better when he's

580
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Speaker 1: pitching against the Mets and the Yanks's that it would

581
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: just be fun from a fan perspective. But anyway, so

582
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: that's the latest with those two. I also want to

583
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: tie in another part of Ken's column. Oh, actually, I

584
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: guess we're going to do it in a different segment,

585
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: the luxury tax kind of situation. So let me get

586
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: to let me get to Brendan Donovan here and how

587
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: the second basement mark second base market fills out. Right,

588
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: So you guys talked about Cotel Marte. It sounds like

589
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks are going to make a decision one way

590
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: or another. But in the notes column with Ken and

591
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Will Salmon. They spoke about how it's been difficult for

592
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals to pull off a trade to send out

593
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan, not because he's a bad player.

594
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: He's a very good player, but.

595
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: It seems as if the Cardinals are asking for a

596
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: star return and most teams are like, he's solid, he's good.

597
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Stop asking for star return two years of Donovan. What

598
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: also holds it up is that gms are frightened that

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Speaker 1: they're going to acquire two years of a player that's

600
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: really one and change if there's a lockout. And you

601
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: can say that for almost anybody that's on multiple years.

602
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: But he did put that in the article, the second

603
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: of which, the second season of which is threatened by

604
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: a lockout. In the article, they mentioned the Royals among

605
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: the teams interested, and if the Cardinals prefer premium young bats,

606
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: the Mariners are perhaps the best fit. And we've heard

607
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the Mariners link to Donovan for a while, linked to

608
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: Marte and to Donovan to see if they can acquire

609
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: one of those second basemen, which.

610
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: Would be a huge upgrade for Seattle.

611
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I know they've got some young guys they want to

612
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: make room for, but man, if the Mariners bring in

613
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan or Coutell Marte. I know Ktel is another

614
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: level offensively, but either one would be I think huge

615
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: for their offense.

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Speaker 3: Do it? Okay? I agree, But Brendan Donovan. If they're

617
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Speaker 3: looking to trade Brendan Donovan and they're like, hey, we

618
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: want this, like teams that are gonna go that are

619
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: gonna go for him, are not going to have him

620
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: hitting in the meat of their order. He's gonna be

621
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Speaker 3: an awesome complimentary piece if he goes to the Mariners.

622
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: How much you trading for a guy that's gonna hit

623
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Speaker 3: fifth or sixth in your lineup? I wasn't listening. I

624
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: was too busy reading a chest. Ask it again. I'm sorry,

625
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: how n hit fifth or sixth in your lineup? It's

626
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: nothing against Brendan Donovan. It's more than you're not adding

627
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: a ton an. He's a good player, but he's not.

628
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: He's not a needle mover player because if he was,

629
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals wouldn't be one to trade him exactly, and

630
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Speaker 3: he would be a guy to be locked up. He

631
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Speaker 3: would be a guy. Hey, you know what, you just

632
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: had your first All Star season? Is his best year?

633
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: Value wise? Was his rookie year. His rookie year, he

634
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: came out just banging. He's been consistent. So what is

635
00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: a two? There is a bidding more than somebody finally

636
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: hits the yes button on could tell Marte because then

637
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: the other teams like, dang, we really needed that upgrade. Okay,

638
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan's gonna upgrade a lot of teams at second base.

639
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: But I think if could tell Marte had gone off

640
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: the market and he was he was that guy and

641
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: he saw what that value is, then you could have

642
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: been like, okay, two years of Brendan Donovan and the

643
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: whole Like if if people are fearful of the lockout

644
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: season not trading, you know, trading a guy or anything,

645
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: either everybody would be trading everybody or nobody would trade.

646
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think that's a because that's not

647
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: just a Brennan Donovan thing. That's not hurting his value.

648
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Great, we have front offices that overthink everything.

649
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: So that's what's gonna happen.

650
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Speaker 4: What if we trade for him and we only get

651
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: the one year of value or one and a half

652
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: years of value, God cares they care.

653
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: That's a reason you're you're coming you're coming up with

654
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: a reason to not trade for a guy. My thing

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Speaker 3: is you got to look at each team. How does

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Speaker 3: he upgrade that team? What are the Mariners? What are

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Speaker 3: the Mariners doing? I know they love their I know

658
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Speaker 3: they love their young prospect that's probably gonna play second base.

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Speaker 3: What are the Mariners need to eliminate that they do

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Speaker 3: all the time? Strikeout? Brenn and Donovan would be like

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Speaker 3: a breath of fresh air in that lineup. He puts

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Speaker 3: together great at bats, he gets he gets on base.

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Speaker 3: So to me, maybe the Mariners do slot him in

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Speaker 3: earlier in the lineup and so the value is more

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Speaker 3: for them, and I think it puts them over the

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Speaker 3: top as far as you know a team that their

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Speaker 3: pitching stays healthy. They've shown what they did last year.

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Speaker 3: But to me, other teams like you have to slot

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Speaker 3: him in somewhere. Could you play second base for the Dodgers?

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Speaker 3: Is Tommy Edmond gonna go back out to the outfield?

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Speaker 3: I don't know there's value there. He would be. He

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Speaker 3: would be an upgrade for a lot of teams, but

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Speaker 3: it's a matter of what you want to give for him.

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Speaker 2: Teams are really tough with trades. Both sides.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they won too much value. Yeah, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It feel just so painful to try and get trades

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Speaker 1: done like it used to be.

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Speaker 2: A guy is on the trade block and there is.

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Speaker 3: The overvalue prospects. I think they overvalue.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody overvalues everything.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, they probably the prospect side is whatever

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Speaker 1: because you have these.

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Speaker 3: Formulas that say so and so prospect is worth nine

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Speaker 3: billion dollars and he'll play three games in the big

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Speaker 3: leagues and they're like, oh, we messed up on how

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Speaker 3: I should.

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Speaker 2: Have traded that guy.

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Speaker 1: This is this is actually the simple reason playing off

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. If you just talk to someone and say,

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Speaker 1: don't say a single number, what's the reason. They'll go,

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Speaker 1: we're frightened we're going to trade that one guy away.

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Speaker 1: We're frightening that we're going to trade Pete crow Armstrong

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Speaker 1: for Hobby Bias.

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Speaker 3: No, you're afraid you're going to trade Fernando Cat's for James.

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Speaker 2: Shield either one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And they go, look how much surplus value we're

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Speaker 1: getting out of p crow Armstrong for his first few

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Speaker 1: years where he's making seven hundred k in this past season,

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Speaker 1: he was probably worth thirty mil or whatever. Right, they're

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Speaker 1: frightened of giving that person away.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. That's why the trade market gets really,

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Speaker 2: really tricky.

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Speaker 3: Does he improve the team? That's what you have to ask.

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Speaker 2: Does he improve he makes them much better?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I promise whoever they're getting rid of does not

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Speaker 3: improve your team this year. If you're the Mariners, cal

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Speaker 3: Raley's getting a year older, all your pitchers are getting

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Speaker 3: more expensive in arbitration, it's okay to say our window

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Speaker 3: is this next two years. You're not like you're not

710
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Speaker 3: going to fall off a cliff those next two years,

711
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Speaker 3: Like there's other things you can do. Does he improve

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Speaker 3: your team enough to say the Mariners are playing against

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers in the World Series instead of the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Mariners, I mean what they're they're deciding games.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you're watching them and you're like, damn, can anybody

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Speaker 1: get on base? Brendan Donovan Ken For me, I actually

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Speaker 1: am more against you guys on this argument.

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Speaker 2: Is he a superstar?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Is he an All Star? I think he's an All

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Speaker 2: Star caliber player. I do.

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Speaker 1: All Star utility player for me, because it's not just

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Speaker 1: second base. He can play second base best, but he

724
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Speaker 1: can also around. For you, I think he's an All

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Speaker 1: Star player, and if teams are trying to play tough

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Speaker 1: with the Cardinals, then they're like, Okay, screw you, we'll

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Speaker 1: keep them for now.

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Speaker 2: That's me. I'm on the high side on Donovan. I'm

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Speaker 2: a big fan, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a good player. Yeah, yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: he can be. I think you could be a high

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Speaker 3: side on Donovan. Really like him like I think AJ

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Speaker 3: and I do. But personally, I'm gonna say myself, I

734
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Speaker 3: don't think he's an All Star player. If he's not

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Speaker 3: on the if he's not on the Cardinals last year,

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Speaker 3: is he an All Star? Does he? Does he make

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Speaker 3: the All Star team?

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Speaker 2: For me, he's an All Star caliber player. That's that's me.

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Speaker 2: We disagree on that one.

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Speaker 1: You guys, I think I have him like one not

741
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Speaker 1: blow what I do, right, If Superstar eight to ten,

742
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Speaker 1: I've got him at seven, where you know all Star

743
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: ranges six to seven or something, and you guys might

744
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Speaker 1: have him at five.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

746
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Speaker 1: I'm just making numbers up, you know what I mean?

747
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Speaker 1: One notch below is what you guys have them at.

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Speaker 3: Listen. He's a good player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so pay up if you want them. That's that's

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Speaker 2: the goal here.

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Speaker 3: There's not much, but teams are gonna they always they

752
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: look for their weaknesses, right, but the Mariners aren't signing.

753
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: They're not paying for but they won't know they're not

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00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: paying for.

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Speaker 3: Boba schet it nicely.

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Speaker 2: You would fit great.

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Speaker 1: But because they're not spending that kind of money, this

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Speaker 1: is the perfect spot either co tell Marte for like

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Speaker 1: five years one hundred or two years of Brendan Donald.

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Speaker 3: I think like the Pirates are spending money signed Boba sheet,

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Speaker 3: trade for kateel Marte.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see them trade for well, now

764
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: they have Brandon Brandon Lau at second base, just you

765
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Speaker 1: can bounce.

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Speaker 2: We talked about tell Marte for the Pirates as a fit.

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Speaker 1: Hey may Day is coming up in a few minutes

768
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Speaker 1: on the FT Network, Welcome Back Trevor may his first

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Speaker 1: show of twenty twenty six. Topics include terrible contracts that

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Speaker 1: we forgot about.

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Speaker 2: I love those kinds of topics. Terrible contracts that we

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Speaker 2: forgot about.

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Speaker 1: There's a theme as Anthony Rendon just was bought out,

774
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Speaker 1: so we'll go into some other contracts. There's ones we

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Speaker 1: remember I mean Steven Strasburg some of the recent ones,

776
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Speaker 1: but there's ones to go back on Chris Davis.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how far back he's going to go.

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Speaker 1: Most of the real big ones have to be in

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Speaker 1: the two thousands where the money is just enormous.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's not like you're going.

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00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: To be like, oh, remember in nineteen eighty five when

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Speaker 1: this guy made three million dollars, ah, he was only

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00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: worth one and a half, Like you got to get

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Speaker 1: the the big money one.

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Speaker 3: People remember Strasburg.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Chris Bryant, so far, so far.

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Speaker 1: Sure's there's more time left for him to show up,

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Speaker 1: So anyway, check that out. And then also he's going

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Speaker 1: to do a deep dive into the change to the

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Speaker 1: minor league data.

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Speaker 3: That is.

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Speaker 1: A sensitive topic with most people. At this point. We

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Speaker 1: already covered it, so check out. It does a lot

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00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: of things, and you should look up who is likely

795
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Speaker 1: going to be in charge of that whole process. There's

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Speaker 1: a company making a bid and there's some family connections there.

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00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: Let's just put it that way. Should I stop crat

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00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: as distract me?

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Speaker 3: So there's three minutes left of the show. Don't get

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Speaker 3: people mad.

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Speaker 2: It's not even a conspiracy theory.

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00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: But to go to whatever, So go to Enostyrus, go

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Speaker 1: back to his retweets from like Christmas and check out

804
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: what he put up there and have some fun with that.

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00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob Manford's family is about to cash in on

806
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: a anyway. I had to wear my Padres, my Padres

807
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: spring training hat because me and Drew I couldn't find

808
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: my Sam Fran hat. Me and Drew played together in

809
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: spring training. I got him. I got him off on

810
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Speaker 3: the right foot his only All Star year. I said, Drew,

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Speaker 3: you know what you need to do. You need to

812
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Speaker 3: throw your curveball and I'll catch it and no one

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Speaker 3: else will hit it. And then he made the All

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Speaker 3: Star team. So I'm pretty much pitcher whisper.

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Speaker 1: I made a lot of money too. Drew signed that

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Speaker 1: big contract with San Diego.

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00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh like dinner.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know that that. You guys were friends like.

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Speaker 3: That, But it wasn't me. I had another I had

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Speaker 3: another story about Drew. We both had alopecia issues the

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00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: same day, same time. But that's that's a little more,

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Speaker 3: a little more behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: How does that is that just a coincidence?

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Speaker 1: It's not like I don't know much about but wow,

825
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: so you guys are alopecia buddies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he was an All Star and I floundered.

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Speaker 3: H