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Speaker 3: All right back here on the Herd.

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Speaker 4: Longtime listeners know that I geek out about March Madness.

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Speaker 4: I just I'm the kind of nerd who would record

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Speaker 4: on a VHS one shining moment and then play it

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Speaker 4: back in the days afterward. This was like back in

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Speaker 4: the day before YouTube was everything, and my girlfriend now

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Speaker 4: wife would just mock me, like, why do you like

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Speaker 4: this song so much?

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Speaker 3: And it's guys like Casey Jacobson to make me love it.

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Speaker 4: Let's welcome in Fox College Basketball analyst Casey Jacobson, who

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Speaker 4: was on some damn good Standford teams, first Team All

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Speaker 4: American with the Collins Twins.

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Speaker 3: Casey, are you as excited for this month as I am?

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Speaker 5: I am just as much, maybe even more of a

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Speaker 5: nerd than you are. I got my glasses ready.

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Speaker 6: You mentioned the one shiny moment thing, Jmax, Like, honestly,

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Speaker 6: I was so excited to be on one shiny moment

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Speaker 6: twice I was.

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Speaker 5: You can find it on YouTube if you want to.

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Speaker 6: I'm got half of a second in two different years,

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Speaker 6: and that is to me like a big deal. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I know I'm actually a good basketball player if I'm

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Speaker 6: on one ten moment.

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Speaker 4: So did you was that when you have the frosted Tips?

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Speaker 4: I think I feel like you Yeah those yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Tips made a comeback the last couple of years too, Jmax.

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Speaker 4: All right, obviously you were just in the garden for

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Speaker 4: the Big East Tournament.

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Speaker 3: Saint John's impressive.

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Speaker 4: It riddled me this casey Saint John's, whin's the Big East?

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Speaker 4: When's the Big East Tournament and it gets a much lower.

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Speaker 3: Seed than Yukon? Like, what the hell's going on there?

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Speaker 6: Well, Saint John's fans know what I'm about to say.

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Speaker 6: They went zero to four against ranked teams in the

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Speaker 6: non conference. And this was the Saint John's teams that

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Speaker 6: preseason was ranked fifth in the country. Right, Rick Patino,

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Speaker 6: they bring back Sube Edgepores had a fantast to hear.

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Speaker 5: By the way, shout out to Zubie Total stud.

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Speaker 6: They brought in one of the top transfer classes in

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Speaker 6: the country, Jmax. So everybody was riding high, like what's

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Speaker 6: Rick Bettino going to do with all these new shiny pieces,

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Speaker 6: And it was a slow burn, like they just weren't

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Speaker 5: Now they got their act together.

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Speaker 6: Of course, they win their second outright regular season championship

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Speaker 6: so they did kind of right the ship a little bit.

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Speaker 6: But with only two total ranked wins on the season,

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Speaker 4: A five line now, it looks like they're out in

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Speaker 4: also having to travel a little bit. Is Yukon down

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Speaker 4: seeing some Final four sneakiness out of them, but I

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Speaker 4: in the second round, Furmam will not be easy.

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Speaker 3: I don't think in the first.

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Speaker 6: One won't be easy, but I do have them moving

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Speaker 6: Danny Hurley is watching this. If he is, he's going

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Speaker 6: their last I believe it's their last eleven games they are.

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Speaker 6: including losing at home to a Creighton team that's been

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Speaker 6: struggled all season. They lost at Marquette. Marquette, you know,

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Speaker 6: maybe creating ring a little bit. Terris Reed Junior is

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Speaker 6: their centerpiece down low. My favorite version of Yukon J

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Speaker 6: Raila Mellens Freshman three point shooter Alex Caravan has been

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Speaker 6: point guard Jay mc I think you know this. He

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Speaker 6: left the championship game early against Saint John's. We believe

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Speaker 5: He's very important to what they do.

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Speaker 6: It's just when you compare Yukon to what they were

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Speaker 3: Totally agree.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's just the championship DNA, right, and last

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Speaker 4: year they pushed Florida. Hell, they nearly beat Florida, which

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Speaker 4: Duke Casey obviously losing Caleb Foster, big blow point guard,

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Speaker 4: I don't think their final four material, but sounds like

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're talking about Patrick Gongba, who is a double

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Speaker 6: down low, Jay mc duke's defense was, if not the best,

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Speaker 6: back in the lineup. You mentioned Caleb Foster, like, you

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Speaker 6: need backcourt players right to perform, You need them to

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Speaker 5: KM Boozer can't do it all.

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Speaker 6: On his own, although sometimes it feels like he does

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Speaker 5: You mentioned Kayden Boozer.

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Speaker 6: Back to back sixteen point performances for Caden Boozer in

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Speaker 5: That's big time.

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Speaker 6: So when I was filling out my bracket, I was like, yeah, right,

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Speaker 6: is Duke goot, like, can cam Buzer really just take

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Speaker 6: And the answer is, Jamik, I cannot doubt this young man.

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Speaker 6: Cam Boozer is the real deal. I was watching your

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Speaker 6: to to Jokich. That's a little bit crazy, but you know,

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Speaker 6: but Jmak, You're a little bit crazy. Is one of

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Speaker 6: the reasons why I love you so much, why having

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Speaker 6: know that sometimes a cop out a lot of people.

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Speaker 6: Describe people as winners when they don't have stats, like

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Speaker 6: this guy's just don't winner.

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Speaker 5: Don't look at his numbers.

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Speaker 6: Cam Boozer has stats, and he's a winner. Two time

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Speaker 6: National Player of the Year in high school, four time

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Speaker 6: state championship player out of the state of Florida, three

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Speaker 5: He's won a gold medal at USA.

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Speaker 6: I mean, jamn, need I go on, if you want

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Speaker 6: to doubt him in this field, go ahead and do

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Speaker 6: it at your own peril. I do think he will

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Speaker 6: eventually you run into maybe a Houston team, an Illinois

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Speaker 6: But I'm looking at the East bracket. I know it's difficult,

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Speaker 6: but I cannot doubt Cam Boozer and his ability to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be tough. So the Yokic take

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Speaker 4: was only a little crazy. Well, let's let's go to

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Speaker 4: Arkansas and their Calipari's stud point Guardarius A.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen again, we're not going overboard here. The

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Speaker 4: is this kid Derek Romes? Could he be better than

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Speaker 4: SEC Tournament. Nobody can stop this guy.

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Speaker 6: No, So you're asking like Derek Roll is better than

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Speaker 6: John Wall. He is way better as a college basketball player.

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Speaker 5: Now, I know Derek.

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Speaker 6: Roll's wont an NBA MVP, and I know John Walls

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Speaker 6: that I think a NBA career as well. But strictly

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Speaker 6: speaking college basketball, Darius Acuff have just twenty three points

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Speaker 6: and almost seven assists. He dropped forty nine points in

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Speaker 6: a double overtime at bamout if you don't know what

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about, going on YouTube after our interview, of course,

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Speaker 6: and look at what he did.

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Speaker 5: Derek Rose was a fifteen point per game scorer at Memphis.

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Speaker 5: They played the national title game that year.

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Speaker 6: John Wall was a seventeen point per game performer at Kentucky.

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Speaker 6: So statistically, this is the best guard that John cal

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Speaker 4: Wow, I mean Tyrese Maxi, Devin Booker on that list, dear,

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Speaker 4: and Fox was tremendous. I mean, listen, Acuff can't shoot

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Speaker 4: like James Harden level. But here's my question. You're old

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Speaker 4: seen one guy. I guess maybe Kemba Walker just carry

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Speaker 3: To the title.

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Speaker 4: Is this guy capable of taking Arkansas.

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Speaker 3: In the Final four? Is he that good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean so you said to the title into the

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Speaker 6: a lot of I think really good players and good

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Speaker 6: not great teams that can make a final four. There's

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Speaker 6: not a lot of one man shows that can win

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Speaker 6: four jam, you still got two more games to play,

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Speaker 6: and you're gonna be playing them against like teams that

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Speaker 6: have multiple.

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Speaker 5: NBA players and Hall of Fame coaches.

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Speaker 6: So do I think that there is a cuff in

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Speaker 6: Arkansas can make a Final four? Absolutely? Do I think

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Speaker 6: that they can win a national title. They have not

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Speaker 6: shown that. They have not shown that consistency throughout the seas.

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Speaker 6: I mean like Houston goes through some of that, Arizona

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Speaker 5: That just happens on talented teams.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 4: We'll wrap up Casey with the Arizona Wildcats my pick

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, so I have him going to the final

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Speaker 6: It's just like I think just Michigan has an extra

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Speaker 6: You mentioned there's been only one team in the history

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Casey Jacobson, great stuff, legendary college basketball player, enjoyed

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the analysis, Casey.

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Speaker 5: Thanks jam Matt, going to be with you, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, great stuff.

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Speaker 4: Fox College basketball analyst Casey Jacobson.

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Speaker 5: No, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news.

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Speaker 9: All right, Jason, we've been talking about it all show.

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Speaker 9: Paul Skein's put together a gem last night, just one

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Speaker 7: I got a tax from one of my teammates at

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Speaker 7: but he said he was awake up at three to

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Speaker 9: Jason, I love seeing these guys so into this. We

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're going.

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Speaker 9: To get it back as a demonstration sport in LA

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Speaker 9: I mean, there was a reason that crowd last night

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Speaker 9: How do you like my theory?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think that's good. I mean, I think you're probably

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Speaker 9: I forgot it's been that long for baseball, Yeah, almost

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Speaker 9: I don't know. Man's gonna you talk about you talk

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Speaker 4: That union is a one Dodgers Yankees bidding war.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know, right. NBA Fred VanVleet hasn't played

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Speaker 10: To listen, we were better than in the last two years. Correct,

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Speaker 10: Wemby's an alien. Castle is a really good player. Harper

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Speaker 9: What I really like? Pregent right, bet on yourself the

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Speaker 4: You know, the Rockets were my pick. I had Rockets

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Speaker 9: Antonio this season, the average margin of victory for the

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Speaker 9: Spurs average sixteen points.

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Speaker 3: I mean, didn't the Spurs just beat them byt like

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Speaker 3: thirty five?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know how you say the laquer not

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Speaker 9: the better team.

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Speaker 4: The Lakers beat the August tonight. You think we'll over

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Speaker 4: with the Lakers tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Just take us some shots to Kevin Durant, My guy, KD,

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Speaker 3: you got big.

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Speaker 9: I think may Its by the way, I think they

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Speaker 9: can take both by the way.

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Speaker 3: Don't you love when guys in street clothes are talking

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Speaker 3: trash and that what that is? I mean to move

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Speaker 3: in the NBA go on a podcast talk trash?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, first of all, yeah.

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Speaker 3: What a game in fourteen months or whatever, maybe.

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Speaker 9: Longer your team. The Knicks, by the way, came back

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Speaker 9: big against the Warriors last night, but Mike Brown not

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Speaker 9: happy Jason. In fact, Brown has a tradition of naming

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Speaker 9: a defensive player of the game after every win, right nice,

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Speaker 9: He refused to do it last night. He was so incensed.

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Speaker 9: Listen to his thinking.

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Speaker 5: Here with the veteran team that was as one and

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Speaker 5: experience winning at a prehigh level, I shouldn't have.

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Speaker 6: To call two timeouts in the first six minutes the

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Speaker 6: ball game.

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Speaker 2: Not to talk and I'm not talking ext and oats

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Speaker 2: to the d L And so that's what goes it.

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Speaker 9: Nicks. They've been outscored in the first quarter in six

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Speaker 9: of their last seven games. Are you as worried Knicks

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Speaker 9: fan Jason McIntyre as Mike Brown.

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Speaker 3: And listen coming home off a five game road trip.

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of gamblers for the NBA love

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Speaker 4: to fade the home team returning home because there's a

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Speaker 4: lethargic after being on the road and the Nicks didn't

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Speaker 4: show up.

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Speaker 3: What they won the game?

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Speaker 4: What's he worried about? I know it's against the zombie Warriors.

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Speaker 4: They got nobody playing for him, but like, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I like it. Maybe trying to fire up.

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Speaker 3: His troops for the playoff run.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, they're playing a bunch of tanking

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Speaker 4: teams next Indiana, Brooklyn, Washington, New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: Those guys are trying to Knicks are going to be fine.

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Speaker 9: Well, look, they fell behind by fourteen points in the

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Speaker 9: first quarter glast night. They fell behind by fifteen points

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Speaker 9: against the Jazz, the tanking Jazz on Wednesday. So I

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Speaker 9: think he's worried. Just you know, you can't start playoff games,

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Speaker 9: you know, double digits behind.

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Speaker 3: How you finish Chel Well, sometimes how.

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Speaker 9: You start influences how you finish.

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Speaker 4: Jason Mike Brown, he's up. Hey, let the guys take

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Speaker 4: a little vacation. You're playing bad teams. Get some Tyler

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Speaker 4: kolech minutes in there, right.

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Speaker 3: I like cut Coleck. All right, Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line news.

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Speaker 3: All right, coming up.

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Speaker 4: James Palmer stops my I'm gonna ask him right out

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Speaker 4: the gate. Are the Rams all in? Are they gonna

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Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl? McVeigh Stafford walk off?

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Speaker 3: That's next year on The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in neonon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Back here on The Herd well.

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Speaker 4: NFL Action to get to I talked about.

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Speaker 3: The Rams earlier.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna bring on James Palmer, who does a great

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Speaker 4: podcast with Steve Smith, the former Carolina Panther. James Palmer,

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Speaker 4: NFL insider at Bleacher Report. James, I hope free agency

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Speaker 4: was good for you. I mean, last time you were on,

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Speaker 4: I praised the artwork in the background.

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Speaker 3: If you recall, uh, it was your young child. Now

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Speaker 3: let me ask you about the Rams.

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Speaker 4: I really love the McDuffie move, and he said he's

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Speaker 4: just happy to go to a team that's a contender.

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Speaker 3: Which I didn't surprised you didn't get more.

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Speaker 4: Pick up your thoughts on the Rams kind of going

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Speaker 4: all in and maybe seeing McVeigh and Stafford walk away

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Speaker 4: after this.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 8: To see what happens, right, because they both teased it

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Speaker 8: before in the past, right, Jason, both of them. But

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Speaker 8: what do they do in twenty twenty six. I think

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Speaker 8: they are all in. I mean, in my opinion, all

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Speaker 8: of last year they were one of the two best

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Speaker 8: teams in football. The other one just happened to be

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Speaker 8: in their division and won the Super Bowl. But you

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Speaker 8: saw the moves that they make. You saw it started

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Speaker 8: at the trade dead nine. Honestly, when they made the

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Speaker 8: move for Roger McCreery at the corner spot. They were

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Speaker 8: kind of like, all right, we need to fix what's

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Speaker 8: going on in our secondary.

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Speaker 11: We've kind of overlooked it.

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Speaker 8: My understanding always was if we're great up front, we

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Speaker 8: can kind of piece things together in the secondary. Then

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Speaker 8: they started realizing the secondary was a bit of an

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Speaker 8: issue along with special teams. You saw them correct both

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Speaker 8: of those. The Trent mcduffee move is a massive swing.

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Speaker 8: This is one of the best corners in football. I

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Speaker 8: remember Pat Sartan telling me during training camp. I was like,

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Speaker 8: who do you watch? You're the best corner in football.

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Speaker 8: He's like, I watched Derek Stingley and I watched Trent mcduffee,

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Speaker 8: that's who I watch. And so that addition, and they

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Speaker 8: bring another guy from the Chiefs, you know, to help

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Speaker 8: their secondary. You look at where they're at in the

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Speaker 8: contracts that are coming up to me, Jason really signifies

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Speaker 8: that they're all in. They built this team really through

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Speaker 8: the draft over twenty three, twenty four those years. Those

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Speaker 8: bills are coming due after twenty six here, and so

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Speaker 8: there's going to be some shuffle in human and so

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Speaker 8: you go all in here with everybody and maybe your

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Speaker 8: last hurrah with with Matthew Stafford and playing the Super

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Speaker 8: Bowl perhaps right there in your own backyard. It does

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Speaker 8: look like they're all in from the moves that Lesnie

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Speaker 8: has made, and why wouldn't he play the game this way?

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Speaker 11: This is how we know less.

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Speaker 3: I forgot super Bowl back at so far.

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Speaker 4: So let me ask you, do you buy the AJ

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Speaker 4: Brown rumors that popped up The Rams were allegedly trying

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Speaker 4: to trade for him recently and then they were like, oh,

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Speaker 4: maybe we'll have to move on from DeVante. Listen, a

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Speaker 4: lot of reporters have a lot of stuff. Your thoughts

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Speaker 4: on the AJ Brown situation. Were the Rams in the

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Speaker 4: mick or someone else?

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Speaker 11: I didn't hear them as much. I know that.

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Speaker 8: You know, Less is one of those gms that will

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Speaker 8: call and he will try to always make a big

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Speaker 8: swing how we're looking, you know, always keep one eye

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Speaker 8: on James Gladstowe down there in Jacksonville because he comes

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Speaker 8: from Less's world of let's make sure we can always

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Speaker 8: keep an eye on making a big move at all

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Speaker 8: at all times. But when I started hearing about it,

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Speaker 8: I'm going, how are they going to make this work?

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Speaker 8: I mean, go ask Cooper Cup when he started getting

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Speaker 8: replaced by Pooka and Akoua, how this offense works with

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Speaker 8: trying to feed multiple receivers. It just really doesn't. It

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Speaker 8: really is focused around one receiver. Now, if they were

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Speaker 8: going to move to aj Brown, you go, well, somebody

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Speaker 8: has to be the odd man out, and it's not

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Speaker 8: going to be Pooka. I would also say, if you

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Speaker 8: watch anything of last year of Matthew Stafford and DeVante

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Speaker 8: Adams in the red zone, it was borderline unstoppable, like

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Speaker 8: it was Tellig you know, I mean, it was like

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Speaker 8: on another level, it was like a Travis Kelcey, you know,

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Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes type of connection down there.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if you want to move on from

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Speaker 11: that when you're all in.

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Speaker 8: But I would say that, yeah, I think Less has

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Speaker 8: interest in pretty much everything, and I think you put

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Speaker 8: AJ Brown a little bit into the mix there.

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Speaker 4: The Aj Brown stuff is almost getting tiresome.

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Speaker 3: He's being linked to so many teams.

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Speaker 4: Is the media trying to trade it or is Philly

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Speaker 4: actually trying to trade him?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's so weird because I feel like the pacing

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Speaker 8: from the two teams that are probably the most involved,

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Speaker 8: that's Philly and most likely New England. To my understanding,

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Speaker 8: neither one has a really a dead end that they

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Speaker 8: have to make a trade. We know that time plays

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Speaker 8: a part in this, and I want to dive into

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Speaker 8: where the picks would be obviously, you know, without competing offers.

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Speaker 8: Howie Rosen's going to sit and try to get the

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Speaker 8: most out of it as he can because that doesn't

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Speaker 8: drive the price up or drive the pace of this up.

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Speaker 8: And I think how he's very good at remaining patient.

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Speaker 8: How he wouldn't mind being patient going past June first,

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Speaker 8: where the cap number goes from forty million, the dead

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Speaker 8: number that they'd have to incure drops to the blow twenty.

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Speaker 8: To my understanding, after June first. Now, if you're the

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Speaker 8: Patriots and you're looking to perhaps if it's a one,

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Speaker 8: like a lot of people are saying, which still seems

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Speaker 8: very rich to me, you're going to be giving up

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Speaker 8: pick thirty one in twenty twenty six. If this trade

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Speaker 8: is after June first, you'd be giving up your one

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty seven. What is the likelihood, Chason, of

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Speaker 8: that being thirty one or thirty two, Like, there's a

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Speaker 8: very good that pick's actually going to be better for

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Speaker 8: Philadelphia in twenty seven, then it would be where it

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Speaker 8: sits right now, at thirty one in twenty six, because

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Speaker 8: a lot of people believe with the a tougher schedule,

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Speaker 8: maybe some things not falling entirely in the Patriots way

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Speaker 8: in twenty six, that it's not going to be the

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Speaker 8: same type of season that they had getting to the

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Speaker 8: super Bowl. So the pick would actually benefit Philadelphia if

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Speaker 8: it was later. I also would say how he doesn't

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Speaker 8: mind waiting. If there's any general manager that does more

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Speaker 8: moves during training camp, it's Howie Roseman. If he gets

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Speaker 8: extra money with this trade happening, he wouldn't mind making

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Speaker 8: this team better Right up to the first game of

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Speaker 8: the season. You know, he's brought in guys in the

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Speaker 8: secondary right up before the start of the season in

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Speaker 8: the past, so timing is really kind of the part

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Speaker 8: with this. There's really nothing that speeds this up other

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Speaker 8: than two teams that it looks like right now are

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Speaker 8: staring at each other. I do know that the Romeo

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Speaker 8: Dobs deal, and I think a very sneaky good move

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Speaker 8: for New England, does not change their outlook on acquiring

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Speaker 8: AJ Brown.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to the Kyler Murray move. Kyler Murray to

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Speaker 4: the Vikings. Everybody knew what was happening. One year deal.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I was so in on JJ

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Speaker 4: McCarthy last year in the offseason. I guess the Jim

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Speaker 4: Harball stuff got me excited. He didn't deliver, and now

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Speaker 4: they get Kyler Murray, a former number one pick. I'm

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Speaker 4: just curious. Is this Kevin O'Connell pushing for this the

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Speaker 4: new GM What are you hearing?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Kevin was all on board.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is really the one guy that Kevin

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Speaker 8: thought was like the free agent quarterback if he wanted

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Speaker 8: to bring in another reclamation project, and.

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Speaker 11: That's what they wanted and I wanted to do it.

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Speaker 11: Last year.

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Speaker 8: Sam Darto went elsewhere, Daniel Jones went elsewhere, and they

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Speaker 8: were looking about mid season to start looking at those

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Speaker 8: options again, and Kyler Murray was the one that they

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Speaker 8: were kind of staring at right you know, right there,

659
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Speaker 8: going this is the most talented guy. He's still twenty eight,

660
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Speaker 8: he's got a great arm, he's extremely accurate, he's still

661
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Speaker 8: a playmaker. This is who we'd like to probably target,

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Speaker 8: And it was the guy that they targeted when he

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Speaker 8: was released. And now it's just a football decision and

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Speaker 8: no finances are really involved in it at all outside

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Speaker 8: of Eric Burker, his agent, making sure there's no tag

666
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Speaker 8: claws in it after the twenty sixth season. So he

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Speaker 8: could potentially be maybe the most coveted free agent if

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Speaker 8: things go well in twenty seven And is the one

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Speaker 8: spot that Kyler wanted to be in because if you

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Speaker 8: look at the roster, it's probably the best landing spot

671
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Speaker 8: he could have had. And you know that they've brought

672
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Speaker 8: quarterbacks along, and usually every quarterback he didn't even play.

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Speaker 8: Daniel Jones came out a better quarterback from spending time

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Speaker 8: with Kevin O'Connell. The one thing I would look at

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Speaker 8: is what is next for JJ McCarthy, Because this doesn't

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Speaker 8: appear to be a quarterback competition they are setting up.

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Speaker 8: This is a guy that they're looking at that could

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Speaker 8: potentially be, to my understanding, their long term solution quarterback.

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Speaker 8: If it goes well, I wouldn't be surprised if they go,

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Speaker 8: let's keep Kyler Murray. If this goes great. I mean,

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Speaker 8: they tried to do it with Sam Darnold. The money

682
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Speaker 8: didn't work, but it went well.

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Speaker 11: With Sam.

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Speaker 8: It went terrible at the end, but they did want

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Speaker 8: to bring him back. Now, numbers and all those things

686
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Speaker 8: always come into play. I don't know what JJ McCarthy's

687
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Speaker 8: future is. I still think they want to have some

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Speaker 8: sort of faith in him if he loses this job,

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Speaker 8: But I don't know what the market would be Jason

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Speaker 8: for him, James.

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Speaker 4: Is this an open competition or does Kyler come in

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Speaker 4: as the favorite?

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Speaker 8: I would think if I'm Kyler Murray, I'm carrying myself

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Speaker 8: into this competition.

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Speaker 11: I'm the front runner. Like That's the way I would

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Speaker 11: do it.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 8: Now, from Kevin O'Connell's perspective, I think he's giving them

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Speaker 8: every opportunity. My point is there was an idea of

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Speaker 8: this of going, we need to give JJ McCarthy some

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Speaker 8: competition that'll really, you know, bring out the best in him.

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Speaker 11: You know how many organizations think that way.

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Speaker 8: But when you're bringing in a former heis winner former

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Speaker 8: number one overall, pick a guy who is a sixty

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Speaker 8: seven percent completion percentage to come in with you, I

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Speaker 8: don't see it much as like a competition.

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Speaker 11: Like I think there's almost a likelihood.

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Speaker 8: There's plenty of players on the team going Kyler is

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Speaker 8: probably going to win this job here. I don't say

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Speaker 8: like they're handing him in the job at any stretch,

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Speaker 8: but I would.

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Speaker 11: Think that's the thinking. Now.

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Speaker 8: The one thing we do have to keep an eye

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Speaker 8: on is this is a timing offense that is precise,

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Speaker 8: and that is the way Justin Jefferson plays football.

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Speaker 11: He's professional receiver. He wants the ball on time.

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Speaker 8: Kyler has never played that way in his career, and

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Speaker 8: Kevin O'Connell will not be the first guy who is

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Speaker 8: trying to get him to play on time. So they're

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Speaker 8: gona have to blend some things together for sure. Offensively,

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Speaker 8: if he's going one.

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Speaker 4: James, we got thirty seconds left Justin Fields traded from

723
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Speaker 4: my Jets to the Chiefs. Is he the starter week one?

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Speaker 4: Is this a big nothing burger just a backup quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Or is he maybe in next Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not a nothing burger because he wants all

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Speaker 8: the reps right and he's going to get a chance

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Speaker 8: to get all their rep Same thing with Tua. I

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Speaker 8: think that's important with both of these that they get

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Speaker 8: all the reps in the offseason with an injured quarterback.

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Speaker 8: So if he wants to rehab himself and rebuild himself

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Speaker 8: back up, go be with Andy Reid and take all

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Speaker 8: the reps. Why Mahomes is out, I don't want to

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Speaker 8: put a timeline on Patrick, but I'll just say this,

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Speaker 8: I'd be surprised, very surprised if he's not out there

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Speaker 8: week one, just by the way this is going in

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Speaker 8: the way he's attacked it. But also this allows them

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Speaker 8: not to rush him by any stretch. If you do

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Speaker 8: have a former first round pick in your building.

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Speaker 4: Wow, great stuff, James Palmer, I mean, man, that Kyler stuff.

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Speaker 3: Wo oh boy. All right, Hey, we'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: again soon, James, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 5: That's good. Ma, I get seen you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh boy, that was spicy.

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Speaker 4: You know, Rachel was talking to me during the break

746
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Speaker 4: earlier about this Kyler situation. I was like, come, ees,

747
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Speaker 4: Jaj McCarthy, is he a coma? They drafted him top ten.

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Speaker 4: I did not realize it was this bleak. But the

749
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Speaker 4: timing offense part that he talked about was, yeah, Kyler

750
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Speaker 4: likes to like do his own thing in the pocket.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna scramble around that stuff happened.

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Speaker 9: We don't know, right, so we'll see how the training

753
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Speaker 9: camp goes. Quarterback competition or not really a quarterback competition

754
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Speaker 9: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's got to be tough. If you're JJ,

756
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Speaker 3: You've been there for two years. You're the guy who've

757
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: got to.

758
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 9: Hype right the first year after his rookie season, so

759
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Speaker 9: much hype around him.

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray's not to hold the clipboard chill out guy either.

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Speaker 9: No, But you know, short quarterbacks in the NFL there's limitations,

762
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Speaker 9: and as a short human, I feel sad about that,

763
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Speaker 9: but it is hard to see over your lineman and

764
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Speaker 9: that makes a difference sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Poor poor guy Jaj, He's been through a lot. Can't

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Speaker 3: stay healthy. You gotta stay healthy. Stinks all right. We

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00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: made it through Day one. Rachel barely.

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Speaker 4: She hated my Jokic boozer take, but everyone else did too.

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Speaker 4: So we're back tomorrow, probably some NBA Go Lakers.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna give you my Final Four tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: Yes,