1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye, 2 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: for tuning in. If you are listening to this the 4 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: day it comes out, then you, like us, have hopefully 5 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: survived what is called super Tuesday. Super Tuesday is where 6 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: all the nominees for president get together and and you know, 7 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: pitch their cause to each state. We don't know how 8 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: it will work out, but you know it's a good 9 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: way into today's episode. Hi, I'm Ben, Hey Ben, I'm 10 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: no what will you use? How Like? Super is kind 11 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: of an interesting word thrown around. You got like super 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: fun sites. You ever heard of those? They're like clean 13 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: up nuclear cleanup sites, you know, Yeah, And I always, 14 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: when I used to work for public radio, always used 15 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: to think that they were super fun sites. You know, 16 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: it's like like a like a bouncy castle or something 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: like that. But it turns out it's quite a depressing, 18 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: heavy thing. The words super used in politics just interesting 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: to me. But super Tuesday, to me, sounds like a 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: vestige of like old you know, the old days of 21 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: stumping politics up on a platform. You know, is you is? 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Is you? Ain't my constituency? That kind of thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: it's a as as the guy who, with some small 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: measure regret, coined the term superproducer. Here, Oh, shout out 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: to our super producer, Casey Pegram still in the race, 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: the Race for our hearts, winning by a large margin, 27 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: and as it turns out, not a toxic waste cleanup 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: site or a super charged political day of the year. Yeah, 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: the freeze super I for super Tuesday. It always it 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: always felt to me growing up like political pundits. We're 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: trying to make it sound more fun than it is, 32 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: you know what must I. I don't know how it 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: came about, but it is a strange title. I'm gonna 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: bring back just using super to say something's great. That's 35 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: just super, like someone some from the Midwest would say. 36 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: But we digress. Today we are posing a question that 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: was posed in a film that actually had similar things 38 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: residences to today's episode, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? Starring 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: Sydney Pottier. Remember that film, then, I do know what's 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the question? Well, it was about a a dinner where 41 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: a an African American gentleman comes. I'm sorry, the title 42 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: was the question guess Who's coming to dinner. That's okay, 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm back in Yes. So it's a film where Potier 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: plays an African American gentleman who comes to dinner and 45 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, all kinds of hilarity, awkwardness and satire. Ensue. 46 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: Guess who's coming to dinner has a lot in common, 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: You're right with today's story. Today's story involved aolves one 48 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: of the most famous presidents in US history, President Theodore Roosevelt, 49 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: now Eddy, as he is known to his friends. It 50 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: was was not a status quo type of president. He 51 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: was known for shaking things up and kind of making 52 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: his own way. In nineteen o one, he did something 53 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: that wouldn't seem too controversial to us today. He had 54 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: someone over for dinner. You know. And of course he's 55 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: the president at this time. He's he's pretty busy in general, 56 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: but because he's the president of the United States, even 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: the smallest of social decisions carry enormous weight in symbolism 58 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: for the public. It's not like uh, you or or 59 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: I casually inviting a new friend or new coworker to 60 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: have some to have some lasagna or something. This is 61 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: always going to be interpreted as a statement. It's true 62 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and Deborah Davis in her fantastic book Most of Honor 63 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: book or T. Washington, Theodore Roosevelt and the White House 64 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: Dinner that Shocked a Nation, UH referred to this situation 65 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: as such. African Americans were invited to meet in offices, 66 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: they of course built the White House, they worked for 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: the various presidents, but they were never ever invited to 68 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: sit down at the President's table. And when that happened, 69 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: the outrage was just unbelievable. And a big reason for that, 70 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: she goes on to say, is that in society, UH, 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: the idea of dining together really created a sense almost 72 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: a code word for social equality, and folks just weren't 73 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: ready to accept that fully yet, despite obviously, UH, slavery 74 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: having been illegal for some time and African Americans UH, 75 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, being able to occupy the 76 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: same social strata as white people, but it was just 77 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: not something that was embraced even still. Yes, and that's 78 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: let's not bury the lead. The guests in question is 79 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: booker Talia Farrow, Washington, American educator, author, UH, a leader 80 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: in his community at the time. There's a there's a 81 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: double down, meaning here this is something that may have 82 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: incensed the racist members of the public in the American South. Traditionally, 83 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: at this time, it was understood that if you invited 84 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: a male to have dinner with you, and this person 85 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: was not related to you already, then you were tacitly 86 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: inviting this man to woo your daughter. They're like, come 87 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: on in, have a meal, have some lazage. This is 88 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: my daughter, isn't she lovely? She's uh, she's nineteen and 89 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: uh she's getting up there. Ben. I love how in 90 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: all of these imaginary circumstances, everyone's always eating lasagna. It's lazagne. 91 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know. Do you think 92 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: they serve If they serve lasagna in the it's probably 93 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: some fancy like lobster lasagna or something like that. I 94 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: would think, you know what, I bet you have a 95 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: lot of latitude when you're president, because it's true, the 96 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: menu has changed so much over the years. And now 97 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: we can't forget that iconic picture of our current president 98 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: with all the McDonald's, big max and stuff stacked up 99 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: in baroque fashion, and he was very happy about that. 100 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: I think he was doing the iconic double thumbs up. 101 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: So yes, so you can see, at least according to 102 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: Deborah Davis, you can see that as the primary reason 103 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: or one of the primary reasons people were so offended. 104 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: It caused them to clutch their pearls to imagine that 105 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: a black man would be able to have that level 106 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: of access to a family, especially the presidential family. Both men, 107 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: both Washington and Roosevelt, were very much aware of this, 108 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: and again, grasp your pearls here gasps softly. They were 109 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: going to be women present have Uh. But let's get 110 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: into before we get into the outrage, which is gonna 111 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: come as it's inevitable, let's talk a little bit about 112 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: why he would have wanted book or to Washington at 113 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: a at a gathering like this where you're gonna talk policy. 114 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: It was because he was a highly influential leader in 115 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: the African American community, founded the Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute. 116 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Born into slavery um, he saved up and put himself 117 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: through school, was an educator after the Civil War, and 118 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: that's when he founded those institutes that mission earlier in 119 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty one in Alabama, UH now known as Tuskegee University. 120 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: So he was along with W. E. B. Du Bois 121 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: was one of the foremost African American leaders at the time, 122 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: and Roosevelt would have wanted to hear what he had 123 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: to say and would have wanted to collaborate with him, 124 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: because Roosevelt was, like you said, he thought outside the 125 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: box and he wasn't gonna let the man tell him 126 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: what to do, even though he technically kind of was 127 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: the man. Yeah, and I like that you point out 128 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: how Washington was immensely influential. Theodore Roosevelt was immensely impulsive, 129 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: legendarily so. And here's how it all went down. So 130 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: he had this pre existing appointment, and this was a 131 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: business appointment. They were supposed to compare notes and Roosevelt 132 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: was going to get some advice on uh, some cabinet picks. 133 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: But then at the very last minute, it's true, Roosevelt said, 134 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, let's make it dinner. And he was going 135 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: to send out this invitation to dinner. The story is 136 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: that he paused for just a second and thought, is 137 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: this a bad idea because of all the stuff we've 138 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: got going on here in the US, and it's crazy 139 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: messed up I'm paraphrasing, uh, And instantly he felt deeply 140 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: ashamed that he even bothered hesitating, and so he said, 141 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna send this out before 142 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: I can change my mind. And now Booker T. Washington 143 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: gets the invitation and he has some thoughts. Well, yeah, 144 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: I mean he had to decide whether or not to 145 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: accept the invitation. I would imagine that the immediate impulse, 146 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: especially for a guy like that who had come so far, 147 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: knew the symbolism of it. But I guess he had 148 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: to decide if it would look at like a betrayal 149 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: to his community in some way, or if it was 150 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: worth you know, making that big statement and you know, 151 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of weathering the bruhaha that would follow um in 152 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: in the interest of kind of moving social discourse forward. 153 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: And obviously he chose the ladder, right, Yep. He said, 154 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: this is gonna be problematic for me, but I have 155 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: no right to refuse, and he felt like he had 156 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: to accept it as a representative of his community. Of course, 157 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: they knew the s was gonna hit the f I'm 158 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: going to say that you can fill in whatever initialisms 159 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: you like for that. The shorts were gonna hit the farm. Yeah, yeah, 160 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: the scoop was gonna hit the France. It's early in 161 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: the morning today for us, I guess it is. It's 162 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: almost noon man, Yeah, I know, right. But the weather here, well, 163 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: it's very dreary. So they knew that s was going 164 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: to hit the f the Spain was going to hit 165 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: the France. A White House reporter put the news of 166 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: this dinner on the wire service, and this is mind you, 167 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: before they actually ever sit down to eat. There is 168 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: a massive backlash. The stories that were printed about this 169 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: are disgusting. They aged like milk as as were wont 170 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: to say. The men both received separately and as a group, 171 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: death threats. There were. There was, of course the cliche 172 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: racial element to it, uh, and it included accusations that 173 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: this would make book or t Washington quote uppity uh, 174 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: and that it would fuel ambition in his community. But 175 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: then there was also criticism saying, you know, Teddy Roosevelt 176 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: is a publicly elected official and he has no right 177 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: to push his private agenda on the public. Yeah, I 178 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: mean the notion that he was using this to quote 179 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: unquote fuel negro ambition end quote. Again, this was from 180 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: from Deborah Davis from her book and again from the 181 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: reporting of the time, and that is the one of 182 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: the gentler ways. He really just using outdated language. We 183 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: would never use that term in that way today, but 184 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: at the time that was sort of the more polite 185 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: way to characterize the situation. But some of the things that, 186 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, that were printed were absolute fearmongering, racemongering, 187 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: hateful kind of stuff. And to imply that Teddy Roosevelt 188 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: was somehow trying to push some secret progressive agenda was 189 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: just like the height of like paranoia. What what Okay, 190 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: here's my question. What is so insidious about not wanting 191 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: people to be segregated? That's that's the weird thing to me. 192 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: Senators spoke out against this. James K. Vardaman Um said 193 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: some things that I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna 194 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: quote him full because they're they're disturbing. But he said 195 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: something like, and he's a Democrat from Mississippi, says the 196 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: White House is now so saturated with the odor of 197 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: blank that the rats had taken refuge in the stable. 198 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: Other senators like Benjamin Tillman of South Carolina uh threatened 199 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: to kill a thousand people to quote put them back 200 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: in their places. The Missouri Sedalia Sentinel published a poem 201 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: on its front page entitled Blank in the White House. 202 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this was a national story and it's it's 203 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: a a chilling look at how normal this sort of 204 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: discourse was in the early twentieth century. Yeah, they were 205 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: like vulgar cartoons characterizing Mrs Roosevelt. And she was a 206 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: very very popular first lady, So all of a sudden 207 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: to have her maligned so openly just for being associated 208 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: with this, because since she was one of the guests 209 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: of the dinner as well, one of the you know, 210 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: gas women that was going to be there, right, And 211 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: there wasn't a hundred percent support in the African American 212 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: community for Booker T. Washington. There was a radical opponent 213 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: of his, a fellow named William Monroe Trotter, who said 214 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: agreeing to this dinner showed book Or T. Washington as 215 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: a hypocrite who supports social segregation between blacks and whites, 216 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: while he himself dines at the White House. So everybody 217 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: from all all angles had some problems, They had some 218 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: stuff to say about this, and they had to go on. 219 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: It was really just like a great excuse to push 220 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: forth whatever your particular agenda was. Whichever side of the 221 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: issue you might have found yourself on. You could use 222 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: it as a way to say, book or t you're 223 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: selling out. You know, you're uh not practicing what you preach. 224 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: You know, you're behaving as though you think you are 225 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: better than you're you know, fellow men um. And the 226 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: other side of it would be, you know, Theodore Roosevelt 227 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: is a some sort of heretic, and he is you know, 228 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: just totally you know, gonna shatter the moral fiber of 229 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: of the country by doing such an outrageous thing. And 230 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: let's just remember, this is a dinner. This is it. 231 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: How intrenched must that social moray have been in nineteen 232 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: o one for people to do lose their minds over 233 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: this story in this way? I mean it absolutely created, 234 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: like I find, a kind of hysteria. Yeah, I hope 235 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: it was. I hope it was so widespread, at least, 236 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: this belief in the importance of dinner. I hope it 237 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: was so widespread that it became a euphemism for hitting 238 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: on someone's daughter. You know, it's like, well, I'm gonna 239 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: go have dinner with your dad. See it's weird when 240 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: you put it like that. And then as kind of weird. 241 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: So what happened exactly, Like, I mean, do we know 242 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: how the dinner itself went? We we know, uh a 243 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: little bit. But this is weird because people started trying 244 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: to rewrite history as it was happening. Republican pundits went 245 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: into damage control. They wanted to to get in front 246 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: of the story, as they say in the media today. 247 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: One one idea was saying, Okay, look, well we report this, 248 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: let's call it lunch, because somehow lunch is less of 249 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: a problem. And now we're gonna say, uh, we're also 250 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, Booker T. Washington did not go to 251 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: the dining room, and there weren't any women present. The 252 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: guys were just sitting in the office. Their meeting went long, 253 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: and so they ordered a tray of sandwiches, and for 254 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: some reason that made people in the South feel less 255 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: bloodthirsty about it, which is weird because of the power 256 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: of sandwiches or the great or lunch. Maybe they're like, well, 257 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: it's just lunch. It was definitely definitely, Oh that's a 258 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: good point. But that was sort of a a diminished version, right, Like, 259 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: so dinner is the height of social equality. Lunch is 260 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: a little more you can just kind of, you know, 261 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: hop in and hop out, like it doesn't require quite 262 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: as much pomp and circumstance, right, And so for this 263 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: goes on until the nineteen thirties. Someone finally asked Ms Roosevelt, 264 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: there's a great NPR story about this. Someone finally asked 265 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: Mrs Roosevelt, tell us straight, was it lunch or was 266 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: it dinner? She checked her calendar and she said it 267 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,359 Speaker 1: was most definitely dinner. And it was still even even 268 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: in book or T. Washington's obituary in nineteen fifteen, it 269 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: was reported as lunch in his obituary. This was a 270 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: really weirdly important thing. Wait a minute, the way a minute? 271 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: So which was it? We do we have confirmation it 272 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: really is? There some mystery surrounding this to this day. 273 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: Almost if we trust Mrs Roosevelt's calendar, it was dinner. 274 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: Where's the story about tray of sandwiches come from? That 275 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: comes from Republicans trying to spend the story public party 276 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: at the time. They wanted to preserve the political viability 277 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: of the Roosevelt administry. God, and so they softened it 278 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: to sandwiches. But it probably wasn't true. Now I get 279 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: it now. I get it had me gone because I 280 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: almost though I got lost in the spin myself. Ben. 281 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: We all, we all do get caught in the spin 282 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: cycle every so often. So this is the weirdest thing 283 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: because a lot of the story is lost to history. 284 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: We we actually wouldn't know about this dinner if Deborah 285 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: Davis had not heard about it just in passing at 286 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: John McCain's two thousand eight concession speech to the newly 287 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: elected at the time President Barack Obama. I think it's 288 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: wild to that a a story that generated headlines or 289 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: leads h such as this one from the Memphis Simitar 290 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: that declared this act by President Roosevelt to be the 291 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: most damnable outrage which has ever been perpetrated by any 292 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: citizen of the United States. Full stop. Bid of Dick Arnold, 293 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: out of out of the running. Yeah, let's see assassination 294 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: of Abraham Lincoln. Forget about it outright. The Civil War 295 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: everybody in there is officially not as bad as not 296 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: a big deal. But you ask an influential black man 297 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: to dinner, and all hell breaks lose. So the point being, then, 298 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: with what you were alluding to, I think is that 299 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: this was largely kind of lost to history. I didn't 300 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: know about it until we until we started reading up 301 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: on this here. Yeah. Yeah, So in McCain's concession speech, 302 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: which Debort Davis hears, McCain says, a century ago, President 303 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt's invitation of Booker T. Washington to dine at 304 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: the White House was taken as an outrage of many quarters. 305 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: America today is old away from the cruel bigotry of 306 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: that time. There is no better evidence of this than 307 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: the election of an African American to the presidency of 308 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: the United States. And this hit Davis. She thought, wait, 309 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: what when did book or T. Washington go to the 310 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: White House? She's a cultural historian, so so that's gonna 311 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: pique her interests. And then she found that this didn't 312 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: even really show up high on Google. She had to 313 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: she had to hit the books to figure out this story. 314 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: And we want to thank Deborah Davis for the excellent 315 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: work here, because we forget sometimes how easy it is 316 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: to lose these tremendous moments. You know, this is the 317 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: thing always bothers me whenever whenever I do a show 318 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: or look into something at the White House, or when 319 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: those press clubs or prayer breakfast. When people get together, 320 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to find the menu, and I want to 321 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: know what's on the menu, Like, what did they wasn't 322 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: a tray sandwiches? I think it's important. I want to 323 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: know that too. For our purposes today, we will just 324 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: go on continuing to believe that it was lasagne. Oh 325 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: thank you man. That's very that's very kind. That's what 326 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: I that's what I choose to believe. I think it's 327 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: because I finally started watching Sopranos, so I thought, did 328 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: I tell you that? You know? But but you for 329 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: like years you've been telling me Carmela's lasagna is second 330 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: to none. It's got little basil leaves in between the layers, 331 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, got that cheese, you know that's that's so 332 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: that's so creamy and delicious. Yeah, her lasagna is a 333 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: huge hit anywhere she brings it. She always brings it 334 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: to pot lux at our church and everything, and people 335 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: go crazy for it. I have an unrelated food question, 336 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: well somewhat somewhat politically related, but it's a food question. 337 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: So one of the people who was running for the 338 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: Democratic nomination, I think Amy Klubachar from the Midwest. Uh 339 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: dropped this phrase hot dish, and I didn't know what 340 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: a hot dish was. I thought it was literally just 341 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: like a hot but it's a specific kind of thing. 342 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of this because they're like hot jazz. 343 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: I can't tell the difference between a hot dish and 344 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: a casserole. Like, I'm sorry, I thought I thought you 345 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: meant like as a euphemism for a person. I look 346 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: at that hot dish. No no, no, I would no, 347 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: no no no, but no, okay, So you mean, like, 348 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: if you're designating a type of pot luck, you're saying 349 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: bring a hot dish. That means it can be anything. 350 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: A casserole is is is specifically a mishmash kind of 351 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: thing with different ingredients with a cheesy crust. Well, here 352 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: is apparently the difference, and this is something I had 353 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: not heard before. So, fellow ridiculous historians, let us know 354 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: the scoop on this. So cast roles and a hot 355 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: dishes are sort of the same thing, but the big 356 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: differences Supposedly that cast roles use tuna and chicken but 357 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: hot dishes use red meat and more were condensed super varieties, 358 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: but those still sound like cast roles. To me, that 359 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand it. 360 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: You could make a squash cast role, doesn't have to 361 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: have tuna or chicken. You can make a broccoli cast role, 362 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: green bean cast. Anyway, we're gonna put this one to bed. 363 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's worth our time though. Oh no, 364 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. Let's let's keep going, because, uh, 365 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: the president did other stuff. Exactly, he did do other 366 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: stuff because as we know, uh, Teddy Roosevelt was a 367 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: real pioneer in many respects, Like in terms of his 368 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: hunting prowess. We did that that episode where I think 369 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: we he and his sons went on a crazy hunting 370 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: expedition once he had retired from the presidency, Uh for 371 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: the Smithsonian where he ended up you know, taxidermy ng 372 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: and sending back all these specimens. A lot of those 373 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: are still there today. So he was a very forward 374 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: thinking man. Obviously, it was just an interesting kind of 375 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: excuse for him to be able to kill some big, wild, 376 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: exotic game. But you gotta give him props for like 377 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: making it about science. But he did a lot of 378 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: other things too. He was a man of first Um, 379 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: he was a huge proponent of experiencing new things and 380 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: pushing the envelope um. And so because of that, we 381 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: have a lot of presidential first that happened under Teddy 382 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: Roosevelt's watch. He was the first president to ride in 383 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: the submarine. He was the first to have a telephone 384 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: in his residence. And this is interesting. He was the first, 385 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: presumably to have a dojo in the White House. Is 386 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: just from the Mental Floss article. Ben, this is the 387 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: Mental Floss article. Is Theodore Roosevelt in the first presidential 388 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: car ride? That's crazy? Yeah, I had a dojo. I 389 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: wonder if he was any good, but if he could 390 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: like take a man down with some sweet karate moves 391 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: and you can. You can read more about this at 392 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: another Mental Floss article on a deep dive Theodore Roosevelt 393 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: Mojo in the Dojo by Jenny Drapkin Man. I love 394 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: Mental Floss. I to um William McKinley, his predecessor was 395 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: the first president to ride in a car, but it 396 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: was Roosevelt who kind of codified it right and and 397 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: made it part of his job to make the rounds. 398 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: When he took a tour of Hartford, Connecticut in nineteen 399 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: o two yeah. The New York Times says that he 400 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: was quite pleased with the quote handsome Victoria automobile because 401 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: he thought it was a great way to shake a 402 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: lot of hands in a short period of time, more 403 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: so than like, what would they do like a whistle 404 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: stop tour? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, and take the train? Right. 405 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: But in private, he he complained about them. He said, 406 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: motor cars are a trial. I suppose ultimately will get 407 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: them in their proper place in the scheme of nature, 408 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: and when, by long custom their uses regulated in proper fashion, 409 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: their objectionable features will probably be eliminated. But just at present, 410 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: I regard them as distinct additions to the discomfort of living. 411 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: He kind of had it all right. Every single point 412 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: he listed there was right, It was regulated, It was 413 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: more integrated into the day to day of human existence. 414 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: But I don't think those one of those negative features 415 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: that he's referring to. I kind of somehow doubt those 416 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: went away. Is it the fact that they're big and 417 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: bulky and can run you down and kill you and 418 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: smell bad? Uh? Yeah. I I would not be surprised 419 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: if the automobile industry asked him for a little bit 420 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: of endorsement there. Interesting, But he had one other big 421 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: first in November of nineteen o six, right he did. Indeed, 422 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: he was the first president to leave the US. He 423 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: hopped aboard the U s. S. Louisiana to take a 424 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: tour of the Panama Canal, which was a big project. 425 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: We take that for granted presidents going on diplomatic trips, 426 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just like par for the course. 427 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: But that's a big one. He was the first one 428 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: to leave the country. Uh, to inspect that that canal. 429 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: That was that he he had really been a huge 430 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: part of making happen. And so perhaps a good place 431 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: to end our story today with Roosevelt and Washington. Famous 432 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: loss to history Dinner is to objectively look at the 433 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: Roosevelt administration and the enormous race problem in the United States. 434 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: When he was reelected, Uh, he said that his plan 435 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: was to improve race relations in five and historians like 436 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: you can look at his work and say that, yes, 437 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: he firmly believed that all men are created equal. But 438 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: as history dot Com notes, his administration took kind of 439 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: a passive approach to improving civil rights, and his successors 440 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: did much the same thing. It really wasn't until Lyndon 441 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four 442 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: that the effort to correct racial discrimination was encoded into law. 443 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: So it's been a long road, you know, but dinner 444 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: does a lot. It does, and it continues to be 445 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: a really important tool for networking and for meeting with 446 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: business clients and things, because it does kind of the 447 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: idea of breaking bread together. It really is this great 448 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: equalizer where if you're having dinner with the CEO of 449 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: your companies, say, when you guys are sitting across from 450 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: each other at the same table, eye to eye, yea, 451 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: there is something some an effect to that that's hard 452 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: to measure, that really does make you feel like you're 453 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: sort of on the same level. And I think that's 454 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: a powerful thing. And kudos to Teddy Roosevelt for, whether 455 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: completely intentionally or kind of brashle making this grand gesture. Uh, 456 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: it obviously made a big splash and was very important. 457 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: As always, thank you so much for tuning in. We 458 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. What do you think are 459 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: some of the most influential dinners in history? And we 460 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: mean global history, not just uh, not just US history. 461 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: And it can be something like the book or t 462 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: Washington Teddy Roosevelt dinner, or it could be something you know, 463 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: a little more red Wedding esque, if you want to, 464 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: if you want to be dark about it. But in 465 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: the fact that they found out that there was an 466 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: assassin taken out, assassin hired to kill book or two 467 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: Washington because of this, well their death threats for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 468 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: But there was somewhere in the reporting that said they 469 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: they you know, uh, there was a botched attempt at 470 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: an assassination, or there was some evidence that there had 471 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: been an assassin sent to Tuskegee to take him out. Yeah, 472 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: I bet they were already. Also, so many death threats 473 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: that guy was getting, That's what I'm saying. Can you imagine, like, 474 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: how dare you start a school? So so let us 475 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: know about your favorite historical dinners bonus points if you 476 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: can give us the menu too. It's it's killing me, folks, 477 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: it's killing me to read about these amazing moments and 478 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: not know what they were eating. Uh you know, maybe 479 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: that's just me. Maybe I should not criticize history for 480 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: not keeping better at track of its menus. No, personally, Ben, 481 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a it's an absolute crime against humanity 482 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: that we cannot know what these political luminaries were eating 483 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: every minute of the day. Now we do, because it's 484 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: all preserved in the tweet record and on their instagrams 485 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: and on their instagrams with tasteful food picks. I love that. 486 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: But that's a discussion for another day. Uh. For now, 487 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: I think we can bid this topic and you fair 488 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: listeners Asia A huge thanks to super producer Casey Pegram 489 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: As always, thanks to Alex Williams, who composed this here 490 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: song that you hear before your very ears. Thanks to 491 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: Christopher hasciotas always here in spirit of course, gabelues here 492 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: what would we be without? You are wonderful um and 493 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: talented research associate. Thanks to Eve's Jeff Cote on our 494 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: Pure podcast This Day in History Class. Thanks also, of 495 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: course to book or T Washington and to Theodore Teddy Roosevelt. 496 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: Where can I tell you about my favorite dinner in history? 497 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: You might be asking yourself, Well, do we have a 498 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: deal for you? You You can find us on Facebook, you 499 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram, you can find us on Twitter. 500 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: Our Facebook page is top notch. It's called ridiculous Historians. 501 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: We'd love for you to join us and our fellow listeners. 502 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: They're all you have to do is name Casey nol 503 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: Me or or all three of us, or some combination thereof, 504 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: or honestly, just make us laugh, like I heard a 505 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: terrible punt recently. No one, if you like to, if 506 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: you'd like least, you're into this. Okay, this comes from 507 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: another show stuff they don't want you to to know. Someone said, 508 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: did you hear about this plan to deliver magazines by drone? 509 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: It's raising a lot of issues. 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