Speaker 1: What do you call two guys that were there when
Speaker 1: this happened?
Speaker 2: Back to return at Spurlock, Michael Spurlock of the chim
Speaker 2: He's to the twenty, he's of the twenty.
Speaker 1: Five, thirty to the forty yard line.
Speaker 2: We could see history fifty forty come a thirty yard light.
Speaker 1: Michael run, Michael Luck, Michael run. Since down Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: There you go, and that shot gunsense we receivers left.
Speaker 2: Here's the staff of the glitcher has picked up Brady Unity.
Speaker 1: Caught ball EPs. He has the record at the eleven
Speaker 1: yard line.
Speaker 2: Mike Evans becomes the first NFL player in the lead
Speaker 2: history to record a thousand yards of more in this
Speaker 2: first seven seasons, and want to throw by Brady. Congratulations
Speaker 2: Mike Evens, who can forget again?
Speaker 3: I'm looking again.
Speaker 2: Hoo's up the south by touchdown tamaway Derek Boks the.
Speaker 1: Most valuable player.
Speaker 4: You're the National Football League?
Speaker 2: Then ask Dot Daggers in where are you gonna win.
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl? Here's listen, mat Mahomes running to his right.
Speaker 1: Lookout.
Speaker 3: He may run my home director.
Speaker 1: Battle and picked for the ends on Fox.
Speaker 3: I gotta beat the Chief.
Speaker 1: We're the champions. Of the world that we still have.
Speaker 1: I'm minute thirty three to go. Dammit White, what a
Speaker 1: great second season.
Speaker 3: That's it for Casey.
Speaker 4: Bocks are the super Bowl champs.
Speaker 1: They can't stop the clock. We call them the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 4: Welcome everybody to the Salty Dogs Podcast. I am Scott.
Speaker 1: Smith and I am Jeff Ryan.
Speaker 4: We're the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 4: I haven't said that stuff in a while.
Speaker 1: I know, it seems like I think it was right.
Speaker 4: A week before the draft or a couple days before
Speaker 4: the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some our last one.
Speaker 4: So we consider this the beginning of the season for us.
Speaker 1: Correct we're in.
Speaker 4: Once training camp starts, you've basically started the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's our training camp trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to make everything work.
Speaker 4: So the very first episode we do in camp is
Speaker 4: always what we consider the kickoff to the shoes, and
Speaker 4: which is why we were so excited. And I'm sure
Speaker 4: you've already seen if you're listening to this you've clicked
Speaker 4: on it, you know that our special guests this week
Speaker 4: is Offensive cordnerator Dave Kanalis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm absolutely eager to get that interview in because I
Speaker 4: want to talk. I really want him to tell us
Speaker 4: about the nuts and bolts of what his offense is.
Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about it and making their assessments of what
Speaker 1: it should be, but we're gonna find out what we
Speaker 1: think what he believes it will be.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to know if the things I've been
Speaker 4: saying in writing are accurate, because, as I'm going to
Speaker 4: say to him, you know, we tend to we don't
Speaker 4: know the game in as great of detail as an
Speaker 4: NFL coach would now, and so we tend to write
Speaker 4: or talk or whatever sometimes in generalities, like you know
Speaker 4: that he came from Seattle. Seattle last year ran twelve personnel,
Speaker 4: two tight ends on like almost thirty percent of their play.
Speaker 4: So we all, okay, so we're gonna see a lot
Speaker 4: more twelve personnel. I mean, it's a natural assumption to make,
Speaker 4: but it's not necessarily true. So these are the kind
Speaker 4: of questions I'm going to ask him about. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what we saw there, how does this translate here?
Speaker 4: What do you do differently? How does it all come together?
Speaker 4: And you know, one big package.
Speaker 1: And me I'll go to the family stuff. I'll talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about that, and hopefully I'm going to learn.
Speaker 4: Something Fortunately, we know very well that David has no
Speaker 4: problem holding a cover.
Speaker 1: He is Mike kind of interview. He's not a yep
Speaker 1: and noper.
Speaker 4: Oh no, he's if if his times at the podium
Speaker 4: are INDI indication, we will be getting lots of good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're looking forward to that. And that's a
Speaker 1: great way to start too, considering that we're a few
Speaker 1: days off from our first game, and and get a
Speaker 1: good good feel for when you're watching Friday Nights games.
Speaker 4: So and then at the end we'll answer some fan questions.
Speaker 4: But here the first section, we just kind of like
Speaker 4: to go over the stuff that's happening.
Speaker 1: So, how did you spend your summer vacation? All, well,
Speaker 1: that's that's a school thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't go hardly anywhere. Yeah, moving back to
Speaker 4: Saint Louis for a week. Nice that you know when
Speaker 4: you're when you have a child home from college, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't really want to take vacations now that that
Speaker 4: person's going with you, And in mine in this case
Speaker 4: was working like three different jobs. Sure, so we didn't
Speaker 4: go anywhere because we wanted to stay home. Well he
Speaker 4: was home.
Speaker 1: Well that's nice family time, Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm I've got basically like a bunch of
Speaker 4: camp takeaways listed. All right, let's see how I'm not.
Speaker 4: This isn't even the first one I wrote down, but
Speaker 4: I'm going to start here because it's my favorite thing
Speaker 4: that I've seen in this camp, and that is Mike
Speaker 4: freaking Evans. Yes, he's having a monster camp. And listen,
Speaker 4: take all that his mney with as big of a
Speaker 4: grain of assault as you want, listeners. Okay, And yes,
Speaker 4: there's always tweets and reports from the practice field. This
Speaker 4: guy made a great play. This guy made a great play.
Speaker 4: And yes, people are gonna want to talk up one
Speaker 4: of the greatest players in franchise history. But this is
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, this is real, and it's not just
Speaker 4: coming from us. He read any outlet about the Box
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's almost it's almost like not that he's trying
Speaker 1: to reinvent himself, but he certainly is not coming in
Speaker 1: like a guy that's been around ten years.
Speaker 4: Well, in a way, he may be reinventing himself a
Speaker 4: little bit this year because, as he told us the
Speaker 4: other day and really one of his most upbeat press
Speaker 4: conferences in a while, they are moving him around a ton,
Speaker 4: and he said, ten years in, I'm even seeing some
Speaker 4: routes I've never seen before, when generally you usually hear
Speaker 4: guys say everybody runs the same routes. Yeah, everybody runs
Speaker 4: the same place. They just dressed them up differently or
Speaker 4: called them something else, or combine them in different ways.
Speaker 4: So this appears that Mike says, I've been moved around,
Speaker 4: but not like this, right, and so Mike has basically
Speaker 4: been an excess whole career.
Speaker 1: Well, what I liked about it is that as he
Speaker 1: talked about all of this stuff, he goes and I
Speaker 1: can do everything, And I loved it because most guys
Speaker 1: don't do that, but I'm glad he did.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: He said, I want to run every route because I
Speaker 4: can and I can win on him.
Speaker 1: And it's got to be fun for him to be
Speaker 1: doing something different. Not that it's not fun all the time,
Speaker 1: but I mean just it's like anything else. You do
Speaker 1: it for a while, you like a new wrinkle to it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he said, I don't want to just be
Speaker 4: the guy that runs ends, outs, hitches and goes. And
Speaker 4: I looked it up in ends, outs, hitches and goes
Speaker 4: were a little more than seventy percent of his routes life. Wow,
Speaker 4: that's not that far really off. Those are really commonly
Speaker 4: used routes. I looked at some other big time receivers
Speaker 4: like Devontae Adams and stuff like that, and that wasn't
Speaker 4: that far off what an average number one receiver does.
Speaker 4: But still he hardly had any crossers. You know, he
Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of posts. And some of these
Speaker 4: things will be combinations of these routes, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's up. I don't know who's recording what each route
Speaker 4: is and if they get it right. But the point
Speaker 4: is Mike is going to be used differently. He's apparently
Speaker 4: very energized by what they're doing with him in this offense.
Speaker 4: And I'll be asking Dave Canalis about this too. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of feedback from the players that this offense
Speaker 4: is doing a good job of scheming guys open. Some
Speaker 4: guys are saying I'm more open than I've been in
Speaker 4: a while, and I'd like to hear what Dave has
Speaker 4: to say about that. That's the kind of thing you
Speaker 4: hear said about a Kyle Shanahan offense. True, and this
Speaker 4: is kind of from that tree.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because of McVeigh and Shanahan was and McVeigh
Speaker 1: were together and wash you didn't they where they were
Speaker 1: here briefly as in turns Oh know, crazy.
Speaker 4: It all comes full circle. But in any case, all
Speaker 4: those things together, and I would think that there's probably
Speaker 4: the casual fan out there, Like right now, if you
Speaker 4: listed the top ten, who do you think of the
Speaker 4: top ten receivers in the league? Do they put Mike
Speaker 4: on it? Like I actually read one on ESPN and
Speaker 4: they had him like they had ten guys and he
Speaker 4: was the second honorable mention so they basically a twelfth.
Speaker 4: I would put him on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who are they putting on that?
Speaker 4: Oh, there's a lot of good that's part of You
Speaker 4: got Justin Jefferson, you got tyreek Hill, you got Jay Wattall,
Speaker 4: you got Stefan Diggs, you got Cooper Cup, you got
Speaker 4: Amari Cooper, you got Ceedee Lamb. I could go on.
Speaker 1: True. Uh So I understand.
Speaker 4: And the reason I think that's the case is because
Speaker 4: now he's what ten years into his career, so he's
Speaker 4: been around forever. If you look at his numbers from
Speaker 4: recent seasons, you might go, well, maybe he's he's in
Speaker 4: the beginning of a little bit of a decline. But
Speaker 4: let me let me for instance, let me look, I
Speaker 4: We're lucky you were in my office, which is nice
Speaker 4: because not only do I get to watch the Little
Speaker 4: League World Series up there, but which I love, but
Speaker 4: I can mess around on my laptop and look up
Speaker 4: information quickly. So since Mike had his fifteen hundred yard
Speaker 4: team record fifteen twenty four receiving yards averaging seventeen point
Speaker 4: seven yards per catch in twenty eighteen, his numbers since
Speaker 4: then have been eleven fifty seven, one six, one three
Speaker 4: five and one one two four.
Speaker 1: And it could be also that he gets a thousand
Speaker 1: yards for the last ten years, and it's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just Mike Evans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you're when you go from fifteen hundred and
Speaker 4: then you're two years ago, you just kind of barely
Speaker 4: make it over a thousand. Part of that was because
Speaker 4: he missed a game or two, but sure, the reason
Speaker 4: I believe for that is the offense. And it was
Speaker 4: a great offense. It was a great offense. He was
Speaker 4: a huge part of a great offense. The Bucks were
Speaker 4: one of the highest scoring teams for twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: The Tom Brady I was just going to say the
Speaker 1: TB twelve.
Speaker 4: Era, but Mike was Chris was the slot, high volume guy,
Speaker 4: and Mike was more of the downfield guy and average
Speaker 4: depth of target a lot deeper, And especially the last
Speaker 4: two years and especially last year, our time to throw
Speaker 4: was like Tom Brady had the quickest time to throw
Speaker 4: in the league essentially, So if you're the guy with
Speaker 4: the longer developing routes, you're not getting targeted right because
Speaker 4: the quarterback is not holding on the ball long enough
Speaker 4: to throw to you. You saw that it could still
Speaker 4: happen in the Carolina game that clinched to the division
Speaker 4: where Brady hit Mike Amazon three huge bomb touchdowns. So
Speaker 4: that ability for that to happen never went away, but
Speaker 4: the offense went away from.
Speaker 1: It for a good portion of last year. Correct.
Speaker 4: So you take that same player now, he's still only
Speaker 4: twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I know that's crazy.
Speaker 4: He was so young when he came in the lague.
Speaker 4: He's still only twenty nine. We see him running around
Speaker 4: there on the field looking like he's twenty five. Yep,
Speaker 4: and he he makes the point, and he's actually made
Speaker 4: it for a couple of years in a row. He
Speaker 4: has gotten so much better at managing his own body. Yes,
Speaker 4: that he feels better in camps now than he did
Speaker 4: when he first got in the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go look at pictures when he came
Speaker 1: in as a rookie, total body transformation. But I think
Speaker 1: part of that too is how do you remain in
Speaker 1: the league. And I think Tom Brady kind of brought
Speaker 1: that in where guys were looking at him, going, geez,
Speaker 1: he's forty six, and how's he doing it? And they
Speaker 1: look at the habits and say, you know, that's not
Speaker 1: that major adjustment for me to make those. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm committed. I'm gonna go ahead and do that. And
Speaker 1: it's happened with Mike.
Speaker 4: The really good well, the really good players generally have
Speaker 4: a lot of talent. Yeah, the great ones have a
Speaker 4: lot of talent, and they figure out.
Speaker 1: How to keep it going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they figure out how they need to work and
Speaker 4: how much they need to work, and how they need
Speaker 4: to work to keep it going.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I think Mike's among the greats.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You make it in the league with your physical attributes,
Speaker 1: but you stay in the league because you use your mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's good. So you're like that one. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 4: Mike has He's coming into his tenth season with ten
Speaker 4: four and twenty five yards and eighty one touchdown catches.
Speaker 4: He has an eighty second touchdown that he got on
Speaker 4: a fumble recovery. But just talking about receptions, ten thoughts,
Speaker 4: so he's over ten thousand. He's at eighty one. There
Speaker 4: are only fifteen guys so far in the history of
Speaker 4: the league with more than ten thousand yards receiving yards
Speaker 4: and at least eighty five touchdowns. Mike's gonna get to
Speaker 4: eighty five, he said eighty one. He'll probably get there
Speaker 4: this year, but he's gonna probably play several more years. Right,
Speaker 4: Do you have any doubt whatsoever they will get to
Speaker 4: eighty five touchdowns?
Speaker 1: No, I think he'll get there.
Speaker 4: So of the fifteen guys that are there, twelve are
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Two are not yet eligible for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: That's Antonio Gates, who will be eligible next year, and
Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald, who's a few years away. Those guys are
Speaker 4: going in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The only exception is heinz Ward. Heinesward makes the list
Speaker 4: exactly with eighty five touchdowns. He's not in the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame. And I don't think he's going to be
Speaker 4: at this point. Don't think there's been a lot of
Speaker 4: momentum fourteen fifty. Now do you think Michael get the
Speaker 4: ninety touchdown catches? He's at eighty one right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's getting right. Okay, if you make it tenth dollar.
Speaker 1: Me this year, probably game three, I hear you.
Speaker 4: He's uh. Then that group is only eleven players, nine
Speaker 4: of whom are in the Hall, and then the others
Speaker 4: are Fitzgerald and Gates who will be.
Speaker 3: In the Hall.
Speaker 4: So we can probably as long as Mike has at
Speaker 4: least one more good year and then probably a couple
Speaker 4: other decent years, he'll I think we can put to
Speaker 4: bed that he's not going.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Hall of Fame, I just want to say
Speaker 1: what a awesome experience it was to go up to
Speaker 1: Canton and to see Rondez get in and the whole
Speaker 1: ceremony and is very very cool. It was an effort
Speaker 1: to get there. You forget, Canton has a very small town.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and how will you stayed in Cleveland?
Speaker 1: I did? It was an hour drive, so it actually
Speaker 1: was pretty easy.
Speaker 4: Did you only do it that one day? Saturday? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Saturday? Yet Friday. I got in on Friday and then
Speaker 1: Saturday drove down, went to the ceremony, drove back to Cleveland,
Speaker 1: took a shower, hung out for a little bit, then
Speaker 1: drove back to the after party, which was very very nice,
Speaker 1: and then drove back to Cleveland, which sounds like a
Speaker 1: lot of driving.
Speaker 3: Well was.
Speaker 1: It was four hours. But the great news about it
Speaker 1: was when I got up Saturday morning to catch an
Speaker 1: earlier flight, I didn't have an hour drive. I only
Speaker 1: had morning or Sunday morning. I only had, you know,
Speaker 1: a ten minute drive.
Speaker 4: I think that's what I would have done too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was just easier, and I guess you kind of
Speaker 4: had to go back and shower after that, because you
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yea for hours.
Speaker 1: It was it's hot here and humid, but you forget
Speaker 1: when you go up north it's hot. It's it's I
Speaker 1: feel like it's more of an intense heatsive. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: We can get back into that in a minute, because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was very very cool and and it
Speaker 1: the most enjoyable part of it was, of course Rod
Speaker 1: Day's speech, but seeing people I haven't seen in ten
Speaker 1: fifteen years, former players, Tony dungeye. Just you know, you're
Speaker 1: just seeing people you just haven't seen, and people who
Speaker 1: used to work here that that have moved on, they
Speaker 1: came in for it. So it was like it was
Speaker 1: kind of bittersweet because you got to say, hey, Scott,
Speaker 1: good to see you, how are the kids, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and then you had to move on to the next
Speaker 1: person because everybody was grabbing everybody, so you got to visit,
Speaker 1: but not heavily. But it was great, good time.
Speaker 4: Well and he made a great speech. Oh it was
Speaker 4: really really good from beginning to end. I thought it
Speaker 4: was awesome. This stuff about his mom and his brother
Speaker 4: was great.
Speaker 1: Listen, anytime you can see your mom's a badass. I
Speaker 1: salute you.
Speaker 4: That little five foot and nothing lady in the front row,
Speaker 4: My mom's kind of a bad.
Speaker 1: She was crying a big time. Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was very fortunate enough to be able to be close
Speaker 1: to the stage and it was it's just very it
Speaker 1: is very emotional. And then I text Ronde afterwards and
Speaker 1: just said, hey, thanks for letting me tag along to
Speaker 1: an incredible journey, because that's kind of how I feel
Speaker 1: about it, you know.
Speaker 4: So there was a lot of stuff in that speech,
Speaker 4: and he spoke about himself and his journey and all
Speaker 4: that that's very illuminating and that anybody you don't even
Speaker 4: have to know him to understand what he's saying. But
Speaker 4: one little nugget in there that you probably wouldn't pick
Speaker 4: up on if you didn't know Ronde and they weren't
Speaker 4: around the bucks here. Isn't that point in the speech
Speaker 4: where he specifically thanked Dave Levy, Pat Brazil, the Chris
Speaker 4: and West Bryan and I think and all the trainers
Speaker 4: and Brian Brian, Little Brian.
Speaker 1: We all know Little Brian. He's now in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: So and the reason that that happened. Those were all
Speaker 4: guys who worked in the video apartment, the football video
Speaker 4: department here at the Buccaneers at one point or another.
Speaker 4: And Ronde's favorite thing, like when they had lunch or
Speaker 4: downtime or whatever, was to go hang out upstairs in
Speaker 4: that room.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I have tried to flay to people sometimes about
Speaker 4: how I would say the majority, vast majority of guys
Speaker 4: that I've met that the players have all been great dudes,
Speaker 4: very nice to you. You know, any group of ninety
Speaker 4: players or a hundred or whatever. A couple hundred over
Speaker 4: the years was going to be one or two that
Speaker 4: you get along with better worse. But a lot of
Speaker 4: them are very kind of football insular. Like if you're player,
Speaker 4: if you're John Smith, the running back, and you're here
Speaker 4: in the building, you spend pretty much all your time
Speaker 4: hanging out with other players. Ronde really kind of different.
Speaker 4: Didn't differentiate between a player, his teammates and the guy
Speaker 4: that works in the video department. So he was became
Speaker 4: friends with all those guys. I mean that seems natural,
Speaker 4: of course, but it's not always natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were all there too. They all came in
Speaker 1: for it, which was very special. But it was funny.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Dave Levy. We were texting back and forth
Speaker 1: and I said, very cool. Rondy called you out, did
Speaker 1: a shout out, and he replied, it brought tears to
Speaker 1: my eyes. And I could see that because I'm very
Speaker 1: very close and a money was up there also. It's
Speaker 1: good to see money too, Oh Rahie Morris. I got
Speaker 1: to see raw and spend a few minutes with him.
Speaker 4: So yeah, David Levy was the very long time video
Speaker 4: director here. God started working here with He was like
Speaker 4: seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like eighteen years old in like nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, and he put his thirty years in or whatever.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's living out on my career. He's
Speaker 1: living out on the beach. Life is good. That's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so Rondie, I got a bow on that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: What else? What else? What else? What else?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about? To heat? What's the problem?
Speaker 4: I want to know. Do you think this is hotter
Speaker 4: than it's ever been before?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: And it's a dang good thing. We're practicing in the morning.
Speaker 1: No question, because I was just outside and it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's like we're recording this around three o'clock.
Speaker 4: The other we had Sunday off, I think, yeah, and
Speaker 4: uh we my wife and I went to a graduation
Speaker 4: party for a neighbor's daughter graduating from college. And it's
Speaker 4: one block over in our neighborhood. And I was walking
Speaker 4: back from that, I'm walking a block. I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is insane.
Speaker 1: Well right now it is ninety two degrees, but it
Speaker 1: feels like one hundred and five hundred and five. I
Speaker 1: had to go and run a quick errand I got
Speaker 1: in the truck and fired it up. Temperature gauge was
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten and then I drove and it
Speaker 1: only dropped one hundred and five.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: But the humidity is still very high too, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, geez, it's.
Speaker 4: Very hot, but at least it's also incredible human.
Speaker 1: Yes, well it's better than you know when people say
Speaker 1: in Arizona that it's hot, but it's a dry heat.
Speaker 1: And my thinking is, yeah, so it's a blow torch,
Speaker 1: just dry heat. But I don't want to meal about it.
Speaker 4: So anyway, there's no scientific proof here. No, not trying
Speaker 4: to make any kind of political statement. No, just climate
Speaker 4: of change and stating are fact. I'm just feeling like
Speaker 4: this is hot it's ever been. Yeah, it's they're out there,
Speaker 4: and they're out there in that I'm staying on the
Speaker 4: sideline and we keep just randomly saying to each other,
Speaker 4: oh my god, it just I think it just got hotter.
Speaker 1: I do find it interesting how they do the water
Speaker 1: breaks over and over, you know, they're very conscious of that. Well,
Speaker 1: and they have that new heat index machine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they have the new cooling bench.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure of all the bells and whistles,
Speaker 4: but they had to like dig a trench and run
Speaker 4: a bunch of power chords to it. And then and
Speaker 4: it sits between on the sideline between fields two and three,
Speaker 4: and I guess there's cold air blowing up through it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then they have these things they can put on
Speaker 4: their heads in their necks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tried to sit there, but there's no room. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna wonder.
Speaker 3: I was looking at.
Speaker 1: It was always full.
Speaker 4: There was one point in practice where there was like
Speaker 4: five five guys about five football players can fit on it, right,
Speaker 4: and none of them left For a while. I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: who gets to decide who sits there? Because it's full?
Speaker 4: And I bet that guy over there would like to
Speaker 4: sit down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nobody's giving up their spot. I think it's
Speaker 1: the strong survive the All I know is that.
Speaker 4: I have not sat on it because I don't want
Speaker 4: to get any glance.
Speaker 1: I have not either. Yeah, you get crushed.
Speaker 4: Somebody was just talking about I was listening to a
Speaker 4: podcast and we're talking about, Uh, they were covering a
Speaker 4: team and I won't name the team, but the the
Speaker 4: security wouldn't let him there was raining in the security
Speaker 4: wouldn't let him stand under a tent like we have
Speaker 4: some tins. Sure, and somebody was saying, somebody used to
Speaker 4: have Andy Reid used to have rules that you the
Speaker 4: media couldn't drink when they were on the sideline drink
Speaker 4: water because it wasn't fair that they're standing there. We
Speaker 4: remember some Chiano moments.
Speaker 1: Sure, Tom Coughlin when he came to Jacksonville wouldn't allow
Speaker 1: sunglasses for media, for anybody.
Speaker 4: I mean including media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that is you know, I have a
Speaker 1: hard time sitting in your office without my sunglasses, and
Speaker 1: they're actually sitting right here. So yeah, you don't wear
Speaker 1: some You know what I did notice that about you?
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 4: Well. Part of the problem now, although I never did before,
Speaker 4: is I need these reading glasses. So I'm always carrying
Speaker 4: these reading glasses around. True, and I don't need them
Speaker 4: for regular sight. But if I have to look at
Speaker 4: my phone, I have to put them on. Got carrying
Speaker 4: two things, two piers of glasses.
Speaker 1: It's a hard go. You need a little strap thing,
Speaker 1: all right. So yeah, I've thought about that.
Speaker 4: I've seen I feel like I'm getting old enough as
Speaker 4: it is, and that would age me by.
Speaker 1: Listen, the day you do that there will be no
Speaker 1: mercy on you.
Speaker 4: So you're not convincing me to do it.
Speaker 1: Because we'll get you little little pearl ones for you.
Speaker 1: Come on, all right.
Speaker 4: Another big takeaway is, and it's kind of tangential to
Speaker 4: all the stuff about Mike, but if if I've heard
Speaker 4: one thing a million times in this camp from players
Speaker 4: and everybody else, is that everyone loves this new Dave
Speaker 4: Canal's home.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They're all just loving it. They're raving about it.
Speaker 3: Is it do they?
Speaker 4: We don't know if it works yet. I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to put their horse.
Speaker 1: Is it something new, something refreshing, something I guess that's
Speaker 1: always good? Yeah, and so maybe that's it. It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, and if it's and they're seeing
Speaker 1: some success in practice, they're seeing things, and so you
Speaker 1: get into a game and if it's successful, you know,
Speaker 1: you start getting in the wins and losses. Everything changes.
Speaker 1: But I think I think they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to school now that you know. The big question mark
Speaker 1: is you know, you got to have a quarterback, but
Speaker 1: supposally in this offense, the quarterback isn't the savior, he's
Speaker 1: just the commander.
Speaker 4: If it works as well, as like a Shanahan offense does.
Speaker 4: Then it can operate without you having to have the
Speaker 4: grace of all time as your quarterback. Yeah, when you
Speaker 4: need good quarterback play, let's not sugarcoat it. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: yes it can. It's a very quarterback friendly offense.
Speaker 1: How crazy is Rock Birdie comes in and never played
Speaker 1: a game and played but it was the system. But
Speaker 1: he also has talent.
Speaker 4: He has talent. Yeah, and some sort of muxis.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny everyone asks, Uh, well, not everyone,
Speaker 1: but Mike Evans was asked who throws the better ball?
Speaker 1: And I liked his answer. He said, they're all NFL quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They all throw good balls. And I loved that answer.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a different style. But you know,
Speaker 1: you don't make it into the NFL if you can't throw.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a quarterback.
Speaker 4: So the quarterback competition between Baker Mayfield and contrast is
Speaker 4: obviously story one of this training has to be and
Speaker 4: uh well, the outcome of it will obviously chart a
Speaker 4: course of how this shut is going to go. And
Speaker 4: and we don't know how it's going to play out.
Speaker 4: And I think it's pretty clear that that they have
Speaker 4: made they have not made a decision yet. And all
Speaker 4: I would say is, I know a lot of people
Speaker 4: heading into camp outside this building were like, yeah, sure
Speaker 4: you got a competition. We know it's going to be Baker.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it seems really tight to me
Speaker 4: and Kyle. And and this is nothing against Baker. I'm
Speaker 4: just taking Kyle and contrasting where he was and where
Speaker 4: he is now. He seems way more confident.
Speaker 1: And everything he's doing, yeah, everything.
Speaker 4: So he seems much more commanding. He really he seemed.
Speaker 4: He was talking the other day about how there's various
Speaker 4: things he focused on the off season, and he says,
Speaker 4: I kind of even surprised myself how well all that
Speaker 4: stuff is going now in camp. And just as one example,
Speaker 4: he said, he he's six for five. That's prototype size
Speaker 4: for a quarter. That's an advantage you see over the line,
Speaker 4: you can see more of the field. And and he said,
Speaker 4: but I wasn't playing six foot five, right, He said,
Speaker 4: I tended to crouch too much, and I was taking
Speaker 4: that advantage away from us. So he when you're trying
Speaker 4: to stop doing something like that, it takes a while
Speaker 4: to unlearn the wrong.
Speaker 1: Way, right, As he said, he was playing.
Speaker 4: Tall, he's playing more tall now, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which I thought was an interesting thing and a great
Speaker 1: a great comment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he feels faster because he's kind of leaned up.
Speaker 4: He did and he lost some weight and just got
Speaker 4: leaner overall. And we've seen him out there take off
Speaker 4: on some movement plays and he looks like he's moving around. Well,
Speaker 4: all I'm saying is, right now, if you were if
Speaker 4: you were a doubter and didn't believe this was a
Speaker 4: true competition, even though the coaches kept saying, so you
Speaker 4: got you gotta believe at this point, sure, I'm telling
Speaker 4: you it seems extremely tight. Well, the games are probably
Speaker 4: gonna be the deciding factor.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. But the thing too is that Kyle Trask was
Speaker 1: underrated when he was in high school, underrated when he
Speaker 1: was in college. He's underrated right now, or or I
Speaker 1: say he was underrated because he proved to have success
Speaker 1: in high school and in college.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he had to wait, he had to wait.
Speaker 1: And it's walk on. So now the question is is
Speaker 1: he be considered underrated? We won't know until he plays
Speaker 1: and and we live happily ever after. But I I
Speaker 1: feel good. I think we're in good shape either or Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean we don't know that yet. And again we're
Speaker 4: in the optimism part of this year right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm not here to tell you that I
Speaker 4: know that one guy or other is gonna win. He's
Speaker 4: gonna be great. I just think there's certainly reason for optimism.
Speaker 4: I could see this often succeeding with either either one,
Speaker 4: and I just think it's I think it's interesting that
Speaker 4: Kyle has done well.
Speaker 1: Enough that this because Baker clearly has.
Speaker 4: A huge edge in terms of experience, and even if
Speaker 4: last year was kind of a last year because just
Speaker 4: he got you know, had to move around the league
Speaker 4: and it didn't have his peak performances, we have a
Speaker 4: season on record from just a couple of years ago
Speaker 4: when he was healthy and he had a really nice season.
Speaker 4: So he has done it in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He has been knocked around, so he can he can
Speaker 1: withstand the storm if one comes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think he's to the point now because he gets
Speaker 4: asked about this kind of thing right now and then
Speaker 4: right and he'll say, paraphrasing here, Yeah, I have a
Speaker 4: chip on my shoulder. I always have, but I'm also
Speaker 4: over it. Yeah, you know, I'm saying like, I'm not
Speaker 4: sitting here steing in disappointment.
Speaker 1: My my south Worth is not coming from what you
Speaker 1: guys are thinking, you being the media. I am comfortable
Speaker 1: with who I am. I know what I need to
Speaker 1: do to secure a job, and I'm gonna do what
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 4: So another guy that we can't stop talking about is
Speaker 4: Devin Tompkins.
Speaker 1: Oh, number ten.
Speaker 4: No, he's eighty three, eighty three Summer Trey Palmer, but
Speaker 4: he's had well.
Speaker 1: Trey Walmer's done very well too, But Devin.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he's listed as five eight on our roster.
Speaker 4: There is a healthy amount of skepticism, and that's accurate.
Speaker 4: So let's say he's five to seven.
Speaker 1: Maybe depending on what sneakers I keep tell you, he
Speaker 1: plays more like a guy who's six to two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a billion not only to leap very high,
Speaker 4: but to leap very high, to have incredible body control
Speaker 4: while he's in the air. Yes, has led to just
Speaker 4: a string of these amazing catches where he's either leaping
Speaker 4: very high. He had one where it was a fly
Speaker 4: and he actually was a little overthrown. He actually dived
Speaker 4: forward and caught the ball.
Speaker 1: Did he did?
Speaker 4: He dove it's dived.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, dived.
Speaker 4: Everybody says dove, but that's not correct. It should be dived.
Speaker 1: Just checking dive.
Speaker 4: He seems to make a play. In fact, that's what
Speaker 4: Kyle Trast said the other day, because Kyle wasn't the
Speaker 4: one who threw this pass. But two days ago he
Speaker 4: had another running down the sideline. The dB was right there,
Speaker 4: The DB's like four inches taller, and they both jump,
Speaker 4: but it's Devin that gets the ball and he has
Speaker 4: to like almost twist one hundred and degrees in the
Speaker 4: air towards the sideline to get to the ball, catches
Speaker 4: the ball, ansling ground, holds onto it, and Kyle was
Speaker 4: watching and he goes, yeah, I'm still wild by these plays,
Speaker 4: but but I'm kind of like he's doing it on
Speaker 4: the regular now. So I he said, he had in
Speaker 4: that moment a realization. He said, that's who this guy is.
Speaker 4: That's just what he does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't noticed it, but I am going to look.
Speaker 1: Does he have very long arms because that would make
Speaker 1: up the height difference if that's what you know.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think that's anything unusual.
Speaker 1: No, but he he is a ballhawk, no question.
Speaker 4: I think it's just leaping ability and and body control
Speaker 4: when he's in the air. And as coach Bole said,
Speaker 4: I think today or maybe yesterday, he has really good hands.
Speaker 1: Very good hands. He knows where the ball is going,
Speaker 1: so you gotta love that. What are you doing? What
Speaker 1: are you looking up?
Speaker 4: Devin Tompkins scouting report?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, what's it say?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, not there yet. You're trying to make it happen.
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like him. I guess he didn't go
Speaker 4: to the combine. Maybe he did, because they don't usually.
Speaker 4: The first one that pops up is the Combine scouting report,
Speaker 4: the NFL dot com one, and it's not there, so
Speaker 4: I know where to find everything on those. Yeah, these
Speaker 4: are just various sites. He did have, is it? Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: he was in the ninety seven percentile on the broad jump. Wow,
Speaker 4: he was an eighty fourth percentile in the vertical leap,
Speaker 4: which was three eight and a half inches.
Speaker 1: Well there that explains it. Then in weight, what's he weigh?
Speaker 4: One and sixty seven is real? He is what he
Speaker 4: was in this scouting report, But he ran a four
Speaker 4: point three five forty h There's nothing here that I
Speaker 4: can see about his wingspan. Wow, that's what I was
Speaker 4: looking for, a wingspan. But I don't think it's anything
Speaker 4: out of the ordinary any case. Every single day. To me,
Speaker 4: he's made the team.
Speaker 1: Already, I would think so. I mean, he certainly is
Speaker 1: given the effort. I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, we put up our first official unofficial depth
Speaker 4: chart today, and only because teams are required to for
Speaker 4: broadcasts in the week of the first game.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say it was something that
Speaker 1: I was perusing.
Speaker 4: Because otherwise, because otherwise a coach wouldn't put out a
Speaker 4: depth chart unless you twisted his arm to do so.
Speaker 4: But they were required to. And if you look at
Speaker 4: the wide receiver depth chart, obviously we're just raving about
Speaker 4: Mike and we could do the same about Chris and
Speaker 4: Russell Gage. Took him a little while to get started
Speaker 4: in this camp, but now he's running full speed. And
Speaker 4: when you see them send in their first group for
Speaker 4: eleven person now he's usually the guy joining Mike and Chris.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's Devin Tompkins After that, your wide receivers that
Speaker 4: you're choosing.
Speaker 1: So that's three guys.
Speaker 4: We usually keep six, sometimes five, every now and then
Speaker 4: seven for a little while but let's just go a six.
Speaker 4: So you need to pick three more guys out of
Speaker 4: this group. Trey Palmer, the six round draft pick, David Moore,
Speaker 4: a veteran he picked up after the draft. Devin Tompkins.
Speaker 4: These four guys are all undrafted rookies for Keem Jarrett,
Speaker 4: Ryan Miller, Tay Barber, and Cade Warner Kayln Geiger left
Speaker 4: over from last year, and that would be it. So
Speaker 4: that's I should have named eleven guys there. So after
Speaker 4: the three main guys, there's virtually no experience here, right,
Speaker 4: and so some of these guys are gonna make it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe up to three of them.
Speaker 1: What are your three?
Speaker 4: Well, Devin tom Because is one of them?
Speaker 1: Ye, that's mine.
Speaker 4: I think we keep Trey Palmer. He's a sixth round
Speaker 4: draft pick. He's more like a fifth round draft pick
Speaker 4: because we we already wanted to pick two other guys
Speaker 4: in sixth round, but then he was still sitting there.
Speaker 4: So Jason Light traded a fifth runner next year to
Speaker 4: get another pick to grab him because he was surprised
Speaker 4: he was still on the board.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious about your third because I got mine.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to say or do you want
Speaker 1: to tell you can say your sir, Rackeem Jarrett. I see,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go with Caid Warner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's more probably gonna end up.
Speaker 1: On the practice squad. Yeah, but I think either or
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: Warner the son of pro football Hall of famers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's making his own.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeah, he's doing well, pointing out Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: I saw him too.
Speaker 4: Oh, Kurt Warner, do you guys know each other?
Speaker 1: Just he is in broadcasting and we kind of exchange
Speaker 1: things back and forth, you know, when you're up in
Speaker 1: the booth.
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: But anyways, yeah, but it's a great selection.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Rakeem Jord is another rookie who's really He's made
Speaker 4: a lot of splash plays and so so coach has
Speaker 4: been asked about him more than once, and generally the
Speaker 4: answer comes out along the lines of, we know how
Speaker 4: athletic he is, we know how talent he is. He
Speaker 4: just has to learn the system and he has to
Speaker 4: show up in games.
Speaker 1: There you go, So we're back to we're back to
Speaker 1: how how are you doing games?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's basically answer for Actually we have to
Speaker 4: play the game. The kickers have looked good but they
Speaker 4: got to do it in the game.
Speaker 1: That's true. Everything changes when you in the game. What
Speaker 1: else you got?
Speaker 4: Well, one thing is I think that this look this
Speaker 4: draft class looks like it could be one of the
Speaker 4: better ones.
Speaker 1: And I am going to predict it is one of
Speaker 1: the better ones, and they'll stick.
Speaker 4: Going in order. Klijah Canty was looking great before he
Speaker 4: got hurt. Now he's about three weeks and a little
Speaker 4: less than three weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I noticed he didn't have a boot on. Took
Speaker 1: the boot off a couple of days ago. If he
Speaker 1: got like a sleeve.
Speaker 4: I overheard him confirming to somebody on the sideline. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I got a like three three more weeks left, which
Speaker 4: was that we said four weeks and this was a
Speaker 4: weekend do it. So, but that gets him back well
Speaker 4: before the start.
Speaker 1: Of Sure Seas, and I hope they don't. I hope
Speaker 1: and they probably won't. I won't rush it because you
Speaker 1: want it, you want him to stay healthy.
Speaker 4: Just all in all, I think it'd probably be a
Speaker 4: little less impactful than the same injury that Vidaveas Effert
Speaker 4: early in his rookie camp, which really kept him out
Speaker 4: of all of camp, and he really kind of. He
Speaker 4: wasn't quite good to go at the start of the season,
Speaker 4: so his rookie season started out a little slow and
Speaker 4: eventually got into a groove. Cody Mock, Mauk looks great.
Speaker 1: You have to almost say it twice to get it. Well,
Speaker 1: it looks like it should be mock. Yeah, but it's MoU's.
Speaker 4: Mauk yea or mouch looks like it could be mouch.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's Mauch malk uh. So he looks
Speaker 4: like he's gonna be a quality starting from day one
Speaker 4: and right guard, I I like what ya.
Speaker 1: Ya dyab he's looked like really yes.
Speaker 4: He's got a lot of power. He's also just kind
Speaker 4: of seems like a really eager guy. He does like
Speaker 4: he's really out of the time.
Speaker 1: He's all in. No question, he's a little raw.
Speaker 4: He has to learn some moves, but he's shown a
Speaker 4: lot of power. Yeah, Payne Durham, I honestly, I don't
Speaker 4: really can't tell you.
Speaker 1: I got nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what kind of camp he's having,
Speaker 4: but maybe the games will clarify a little bit. Uh, Dennis.
Speaker 4: Everybody loves not just what he's done on the field,
Speaker 4: but also I mean on off defense, but also he's
Speaker 4: apparently playing on like every special team serion.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he's really good in interviews, he's very good.
Speaker 4: He seems like a really smart guy. Josh Hayes seems
Speaker 4: like very competitive. He's in the he's in the competition
Speaker 4: for the nickel slot, the nickel corner job. Trey Palmer
Speaker 4: we talked about. He's actually got a decent number of
Speaker 4: good reviews from the factory. Shows a lot of speed.
Speaker 4: Jose Ramirez is another guy that I haven't heard a
Speaker 4: ton about, but they have noted that he's he really
Speaker 4: he seems to be like a kind of a natural
Speaker 4: pass rusher, kind of the way Shack is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think too is like, you know, guys
Speaker 1: that have to make the team by being on special teams.
Speaker 1: You don't see it until the games because there's really
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of I mean, there's formations and
Speaker 1: special teams in training camp, but not real.
Speaker 4: When they when they do special teams practices, they kind
Speaker 4: of stand there and they run ten yards.
Speaker 1: And they don't even kick the ball throw it. I
Speaker 1: don't understand this. Are they saving the leg I don't know.
Speaker 4: But there's two kickers. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: Have you seen them punt.
Speaker 4: Not hardly at all, But I'll have also aid in
Speaker 4: their kickers, the place kickers. Two times in the last
Speaker 4: week or so, they've run a couple of drills where
Speaker 4: it's that you have to get on the field real
Speaker 4: quick and one guy. It's cool because one guy is
Speaker 4: clearly designated to do the countdown of the clock. So
Speaker 4: you here one guy going eight seven as they're all
Speaker 4: getting lined up. And so the whole the whole idea
Speaker 4: is you just down the ball and you got to
Speaker 4: rush for field going union and quickly. You can't ca
Speaker 4: all the time out. You got to get this thing
Speaker 4: off in like ten seconds, because that's that's gonna happen
Speaker 4: at some point, sure, and so you have to practice it.
Speaker 4: And then they do the whole operation. And then they
Speaker 4: don't kick the ball. I mean, why not just kick
Speaker 4: the ball? You did everything up to that point. The
Speaker 4: kicker even comes up and fains the kick. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I we should ask Keith, because I'm sure there's a
Speaker 4: good reason. But I was standing with somebody else, I'm like,
Speaker 4: why don't they just kick kick out?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They did everything else.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Some lily kid just hit a home run.
Speaker 3: Yeah uh.
Speaker 4: And talking about the rookies, I would I would suspect
Speaker 4: that all of those draft picks are gonna make it.
Speaker 4: That's a lot. That's eight guys, but I think I
Speaker 4: think you're gonna see good two, three, four undrafted guys. Yeah,
Speaker 4: undrafted rookies. We've Sean Tucker. If they keep four running
Speaker 4: backs is almost certainly he's the fourth.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh.
Speaker 4: I talked about Rackeem Jarrett Christian Izzian. That's a safety
Speaker 4: from Rutgers. Yea, And they mentioned him right away as
Speaker 4: one of the guys. One of the five players they
Speaker 4: were considering is the nickel corner guy. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's cool, But I really didn't think that an undrafted
Speaker 4: rookie safety was going to win that job. But he's
Speaker 4: getting That was brought to the attention of Todd Bowles
Speaker 4: after one of these practices, and he goes, I don't
Speaker 4: don't read too much into who's getting reps with for
Speaker 4: second and thirdeen. Okay, I believe you, coach, But when
Speaker 4: we get to the games, if he's out there getting
Speaker 4: the first team reps with the first team defense. That's
Speaker 4: that says something so christian is he in? Indeed, Delaney,
Speaker 4: you're confused by that.
Speaker 1: Don't take too much into it. I guess I hear you.
Speaker 4: I feel somewhat the same way.
Speaker 1: That was my outside voice, wasn't it continue?
Speaker 4: So, uh, he seems like a really good He's listed
Speaker 4: to second and one of the safety spots. I think
Speaker 4: he's got a great shot at making the roster. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's pretty good on special teams as all. They say
Speaker 4: he's a great gunner. Maybe another rookie safety like Keevon
Speaker 4: Merriweather or ke Drick Whitehead. I just think you're gonna
Speaker 4: see ten to twelve rookies on this fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1: I honestly believe this is going to be a I mean,
Speaker 1: Jason Light's been here now ten years. This could end
Speaker 1: up being his best draft.
Speaker 4: Well that's saying a lot, because he had a couple
Speaker 4: of really nice.
Speaker 1: Really good But I really really think that all those
Speaker 1: DB's that we got m h. And that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you keep your front office together for as long.
Speaker 1: So if it's this turns out to be true, then
Speaker 1: it really plays into it really helps when you're not
Speaker 1: moving people in and out all the time.
Speaker 4: Every draft you draft for ten years, some of it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a crap shooting. Oh yeah, we're gonna hit
Speaker 4: and you're gonna miss.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 4: I think Jason's had a really nice track record for
Speaker 4: the last what a half decade or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I think he also said it too.
Speaker 1: This is truly the first quarterback competition that we have
Speaker 1: witnessed in ten years, because you pretty much knew who
Speaker 1: it was going to be. Wednesday was the last one
Speaker 1: we had. I think it was. I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: was Josh Freeman in his rookie year. I don't think
Speaker 1: he really was in the.
Speaker 4: They didn't really give him much consideration to start the season.
Speaker 1: They were great to Byron left which and Josh McCown.
Speaker 1: That was was that.
Speaker 4: Josh McCown was twenty fourteen, and yeah, he just came
Speaker 4: in and was one starter. And then we drafted Glennon. Well,
Speaker 4: Glennon maybe there was you know, Josh was Chiano's first year.
Speaker 4: We did not think that there was a quarterback competition,
Speaker 4: but because Josh Freeman seemed like the entrench starter, correct,
Speaker 4: but he only held that Jeff for like three weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he came clear that that Sheiana liked Glennon. So maybe
Speaker 4: there was more of a competition going on there than
Speaker 4: we thought true. So that was that what twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: I think I forget those years, but outright competition that
Speaker 4: everybody knew what was going on. What back to maybe
Speaker 4: like Chris Simms versus Brad Johnson.
Speaker 1: Oh, Chris Sims. I saw Chris. It was great. We
Speaker 1: had a great chat. I always give him a hard time,
Speaker 1: a hard time about his appearances. Well he does the
Speaker 1: PFT and NBC. Yeah, it's like for him, it is
Speaker 1: and I wonderful guy. I said to my god, do
Speaker 1: you remember when we were in New England? And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was starting to do this and you said
Speaker 1: you just got to stay with it. And he's got
Speaker 1: like a steel trap. He remembers everybody's yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: very gracious. I will say, all right, what you got?
Speaker 4: I got one more thing? Anything you want to talk
Speaker 4: about or s we're doing.
Speaker 1: We're doing well, we're on a roll.
Speaker 4: Just one thing that I wanted to sort of an
Speaker 4: overarching topic.
Speaker 1: Overarching topic, Well, it's.
Speaker 4: It's been hit in several different ways, and that is
Speaker 4: I think, and this is a very good development. There's
Speaker 4: been a lot of good movement in recent years on
Speaker 4: how a athletes treat the importance of mental and emotional
Speaker 4: well being and how they're accepted for doing so.
Speaker 1: You must have been reading my mind because I was thinking,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Tristan. I got four examples, Okay.
Speaker 4: The first one to me was when Shaq Barrett was
Speaker 4: talking there and tragically, if anybody is not aware, the
Speaker 4: Barretts him and his wife Jordan, and they have three
Speaker 4: other kids and one on the way. Wonderfully, Yes, their
Speaker 4: two year old daughter, Ariyah, there was an accident. She
Speaker 4: drowned in that pool family pot. Yes, this is like
Speaker 4: in May, April or May.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right in that area.
Speaker 4: It is. It is obviously goes without saying that that's devastating.
Speaker 4: That would be devastating for any parent. And there's no
Speaker 4: way that even now months later, that is not just
Speaker 4: hitting them incredibly hard all the time.
Speaker 1: My perspective on that is, I don't necessarily know if
Speaker 1: you get over the grief. I think you just live
Speaker 1: with it. You learn how to live with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and time helps a lot, and they're they're not
Speaker 4: nearly far to not be totally raw, and he said coming.
Speaker 1: To work helps.
Speaker 4: Yes, He's like, it allows me to think about other
Speaker 4: things wrong, because believe me, I got plenty of time
Speaker 4: at home work and I'm just sitting there and you
Speaker 4: know what I'm thinking about. Yeah, And they started a foundation.
Speaker 1: How wonderful is that?
Speaker 4: And it's going to be a number of things to
Speaker 4: help this kind of tragedy not happen in other families,
Speaker 4: like swimming lessons, alarms or.
Speaker 1: Alarm systems, better gating, things of that nature.
Speaker 4: So he made it clear, he's like, yeah, we have
Speaker 4: to help each other, and we have bad days and
Speaker 4: we have bad moments, but that's life. Of course you have.
Speaker 4: It's not wrong to feel this way, correct. So what
Speaker 4: I think they're getting away from is the idea of
Speaker 4: especially a professional athlete, has to be so strong that
Speaker 4: if they're showing their emotion they're weak.
Speaker 1: They're weak.
Speaker 4: And then we get Ryan Jensen who had the horrible
Speaker 4: knee injury a year ago and he was actually at
Speaker 4: the podium on the exact year anniversary of it happening.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: It led to a very very long rehab process of
Speaker 4: Frankly is still going on. And he told us that
Speaker 4: this is Ryan Jensen who is on the field.
Speaker 1: He's the toughest guy on the field, you.
Speaker 4: Got it, and no prisoners taken, no holds barred. Uh.
Speaker 4: And he's also like what six five and three pounds
Speaker 4: in ye. Yeah, he's intimidating, looking very and he said
Speaker 4: there were days that were hard during this process, like,
Speaker 4: for instance, I think he had ten days in Indianapolis
Speaker 4: alone without his family when he was getting the correct
Speaker 4: regenerative regenerative treatment. And he said, there are days where
Speaker 4: I just broke down and stopped. Sure, he said, but
Speaker 4: that's okay, that's okay, and that's the important part of
Speaker 4: the message.
Speaker 1: And he got all choked up when they were talking
Speaker 1: to what was the hottest, hardest part And the hardest
Speaker 1: part was telling his son that he couldn't go out
Speaker 1: to play, who was only five years old, and it
Speaker 1: really struck him. And it was interesting because he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And what I liked is all the media went,
Speaker 1: it's okay. You know, it's fine.
Speaker 4: You also know if you've been through anything like this,
Speaker 4: like what Shack went through, or anything that's so emotionally tough,
Speaker 4: that people tend to believe that you don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about it, when in most cases you're more than
Speaker 4: happy to talk about it. I can I guess I
Speaker 4: can't go so far as say guarantee you, but I
Speaker 4: would strongly suspect that Shaq would be happy to talk
Speaker 4: about his daughter, right because it's so special. Sure, so
Speaker 4: he gets to say again, what a wonderful person this was.
Speaker 4: So then we have Tristan Worf's. Tristan Wurfs is the
Speaker 4: poster boy for immediate NFL success.
Speaker 1: No question. First, Jeers does well, win Super Bowl, plays
Speaker 1: with Tom.
Speaker 4: Brady, he gives up one sack all season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have his first round pick, immediate.
Speaker 4: Starter, fantastic player from day one, wins a Super Bowl,
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl, first Team All Pro, another Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: He did a whole he did a ten year career
Speaker 1: in one year.
Speaker 4: And he's just without break from the moment he was
Speaker 4: drafted to now he's been a phenomenal player. So it
Speaker 4: is so surprising or illuminating to hear him say. And
Speaker 4: this came up because he was asked about his switch
Speaker 4: to left tackle. When he started doing that in the spring,
Speaker 4: he started experience a lot of self doubt and a
Speaker 4: lot of negative self talk and a lot of I
Speaker 4: can't do this, I'm going to ruin this. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to be able to do what my team needs
Speaker 4: me to do. These are the things he's telling himself
Speaker 4: when he's alone in his.
Speaker 1: Apartment, our house, private moment, to.
Speaker 4: The point that he felt he had to seek out
Speaker 4: help from the team psychologist, who did help him quite
Speaker 4: a bit. And he says, even now, I'm not saying
Speaker 4: because somebody said, so, you've gotten past the negative thoughts.
Speaker 1: He said, well, they haven't really subsided.
Speaker 4: I've just been able to have more positive thoughts and
Speaker 4: kind of try to turn the negatives into positive.
Speaker 1: And you can you can totally understand why, because he's
Speaker 1: had so much succest on the success on the right side.
Speaker 1: Moving to the left side, it's very, very difficult, and
Speaker 1: everyone's expecting him, well, it's Tristan, it's going to be easy.
Speaker 1: He's really good, and he's internalizing, like everybody's expecting me
Speaker 1: to be really good? What happens if I'm not?
Speaker 4: Or And that's the kind of stuff he's subjecting himself
Speaker 4: in his mind all the time.
Speaker 1: And I think it's really cool that that we have
Speaker 1: that type of assistance on the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's probably pretty standard these days,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't just a few years ago. No, But
Speaker 4: he even then at some point said that he had
Speaker 4: these doubts before his rookie year and early in his
Speaker 4: rookie year. And that's what I'm saying. I don't think
Speaker 4: we understand probably how high of a percentage it is
Speaker 4: of players who have to deal with that kind of shying,
Speaker 4: and probably some of them end up dealing with it
Speaker 4: better than others, and that is a part of their
Speaker 4: story of whether they're successful or not. And to put
Speaker 4: an emphasis on that. Finally, my last part of this
Speaker 4: example here is Ronda in his speech, in his Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame speech tells us he mentioned having a crisis
Speaker 4: of confidence. He wasn't very good as a rookie. He
Speaker 4: couldn't get on the field, and even in his if
Speaker 4: you look back at his career, his second year in
Speaker 4: ninety eight was pretty good. He started making all scored
Speaker 4: a couple of touchdowns, started making all these big plays
Speaker 4: that we now know him for. But he said, even then,
Speaker 4: when I started getting playing time, I was just praying
Speaker 4: that Rich McKay, the general manager, wouldn't come cut me.
Speaker 1: It got close the first year. I mean the third
Speaker 1: round draft pick.
Speaker 4: You know, if he.
Speaker 1: Was a sixth round draft pick, he wouldn't have I
Speaker 1: don't think he would have held in there, because no one,
Speaker 1: once you do it, you you don't want to have
Speaker 1: a third round pick and not succeed the first year.
Speaker 1: A couple of years. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna give it
Speaker 1: a little more juice to that. But yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Monde Barber going in the Hall of Time and he said,
Speaker 4: a lot of guys deal with that, So sure, that's
Speaker 4: I guess the overall point I'm trying to make is
Speaker 4: when you look at these guys, remember that a lot
Speaker 4: of them there's a lot of pressure, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of there's a lot of difficulty dealing with the mental
Speaker 4: side of the game and the emotions of what they're
Speaker 4: trying to do. And anybody, any human that is faced
Speaker 4: with a very difficult task, it's not unnatural for them
Speaker 4: to have thoughts of doubt.
Speaker 1: Sure, and sometimes it's not not sometimes it's always best.
Speaker 1: You can have your thoughts and they can roll around
Speaker 1: in your head, but until you say them out loud,
Speaker 1: that's when you really begin to express because you're hearing it.
Speaker 1: When it stays in your head, you can get it
Speaker 1: mumble jumble.
Speaker 4: And the important part is athletes are now far more
Speaker 4: in court encouraged to find somebody to talk to.
Speaker 1: I think all people should be encouraged.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course I agree. I'm just saying in
Speaker 4: this particular case, you don't think of players as ones
Speaker 4: that are going to need a kind of help, and
Speaker 4: a lot of them find a deal and then it's helpful.
Speaker 1: Sure, And I think it's you know, different phases of
Speaker 1: your life where you can utilize that and grow with it.
Speaker 1: So now that's a good point.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm starting to experience some doubt whether I'm going
Speaker 4: to be able to do a good interview of Dave
Speaker 4: Canalis because I've been looking forward to this for quite
Speaker 4: some time.
Speaker 1: I hope you don't forget your notes.
Speaker 4: That's a inside joke, Okay, So let's get to that.
Speaker 4: I think we've covered enough of what's going on in
Speaker 4: camp and we're excited about that. So we're gonna go
Speaker 4: get Dave. We're gonna do that interview, and then stick
Speaker 4: around after that because our third segment will be answering
Speaker 4: your questions, when we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: The Salty Dogs.
Speaker 4: Back here on the Salty Dogs Podcast. I'm Scott Smith
Speaker 4: and I am Jeff Ryan, and now we have with
Speaker 4: us our very special guests and our first guest of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 1: So I know, maybe you should be honored, we should
Speaker 1: be honored.
Speaker 4: Probably Dave Canalis, the Buccaner's new offensive coordinator, thank you
Speaker 4: for joining us today.
Speaker 3: Eh, guys, thanks for having me. I'm excited to just
Speaker 3: kind of keep poking my head around the building. Yeah,
Speaker 3: into different spots.
Speaker 1: Well, as you can see, we have a very large
Speaker 1: studio here at the Health Training Center. We do all
Speaker 1: TV shows in here, right I think the media left
Speaker 1: the door open, and seriously and they didn't close it.
Speaker 4: Let's get to it because mister Canos has a very
Speaker 4: busy schedule and we don't want to keep them too long.
Speaker 4: We want to talk to you a lot about football
Speaker 4: x's and o's of stuff, but before that, welcome to Tampa.
Speaker 4: How have you acclimated to the area. I know you
Speaker 4: have the the Izig family support system. What do you
Speaker 4: think so far?
Speaker 3: Oh? We love it and so uh you know, Brad
Speaker 3: adopted us, so he took he took my wife Lizzie
Speaker 3: and and the four kids, all of us and our dog,
Speaker 3: our giant dog, showgun.
Speaker 1: What kind of dog.
Speaker 3: He's a Presa Canario.
Speaker 4: I have no idea what.
Speaker 3: It's a very similar to cane Corso Corso.
Speaker 1: I keep going, yea, so that one either half a pony,
Speaker 1: yeah talking about we're.
Speaker 3: Talking like mass stiff. So he's handsome. He's a great dog.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Brad took us in and really early on,
Speaker 3: you know, we were run John and Carrol Izick. They
Speaker 3: were inviting us very very well, yes, and so they're fantastic,
Speaker 3: invited us over the house. I couldn't get my kids
Speaker 3: out of their swimming pool. They got a beautiful place
Speaker 3: out in a lake tarpin. But we stayed here this summer,
Speaker 3: so just under five weeks in Tampa. You know, we
Speaker 3: were debating. We had some traditions we did in the
Speaker 3: Northwest and in southern California where I'm from. But my
Speaker 3: wife and I just said, you know, let's just sink
Speaker 3: roots here. So we just went. We went to Clearwater
Speaker 3: three times there. We went to h C. S to Key.
Speaker 3: We were at grill, yeah, passa grill right there, Saint
Speaker 3: Pete Beach, that whole area and then made our way
Speaker 3: as far down as Anna Maria Island.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: So my daughter be had, she's turned seven, so I
Speaker 3: took her on her seven year adventure.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to ask you about that. I
Speaker 1: think it's very very cool that every year it's one
Speaker 1: of the kids get to go with you and just
Speaker 1: you and them. Yeah, great bonding experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I stole the idea from a Christian writer named
Speaker 3: John Eldridge and his famous book is Wild at Heart.
Speaker 3: And anyhow, I read one of his books on family
Speaker 3: and he talked about taking his sons when they turned
Speaker 3: seven on a seven year adventure. So I started it
Speaker 3: with Ashby who's now thirteen. Then Ben, who's eleven. Ashby
Speaker 3: and I went to Kawai thanks to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So Russell Christmas gift first class tickets anywhere. So he
Speaker 3: was the Chief Flying Actor Officer for Delta Airlines, so
Speaker 3: he was their CFO, chief football officer. That's what it was.
Speaker 3: And anyway, so I took her there. Ben and I
Speaker 3: went on a fly fishing camping trip out in Washington,
Speaker 3: which was so much fun. And me and I went
Speaker 3: to Anna Maria Island. She's really interested in shells, marine life,
Speaker 3: the place to go, they got an aquarium, the pier
Speaker 3: down there. We had a fantastic time, and really I
Speaker 3: put it in their court and say, hey, you have
Speaker 3: to order your own food. Here's the budget. Okay, so
Speaker 3: we have this much money. We can do this, or
Speaker 3: we can do this, but that's it, you know. So
Speaker 3: getting them to make decisions and trying to really build
Speaker 3: confidence and independence in them very cool.
Speaker 1: So when you turn fourteen, do you get another era?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh so I thought I was being a smart button.
Speaker 3: No, So mom takes them fourteen, So we haven't had
Speaker 3: any of those yet. Next yearay, and then the two
Speaker 3: of us will take them at twenty one, which will
Speaker 3: probably the end of college if they choose college or
Speaker 3: at that point. Basically like hey, look the world is
Speaker 3: at your disposal. Where do you want to go? And
Speaker 3: it'll be the three of us and we'll do something
Speaker 3: fun and just trying to give them culture and uh
Speaker 3: and really create that independence.
Speaker 4: Very should I do that with Alex? Yeah, my son's twenty.
Speaker 4: You're going into his junior year at Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3: Oh nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll see where that leads him. Okay, I
Speaker 4: really I don't want to take too much your time,
Speaker 4: So can we dive into football? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Scott worries about everybody's time.
Speaker 4: Me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you just this. I can't.
Speaker 3: We're good all that.
Speaker 1: We've been around for a while.
Speaker 4: That's why we're called the salty Dogs. We've seen a
Speaker 4: lot of football, and we think we know football relatively well.
Speaker 4: But we also know that it's impossible for us to
Speaker 4: know football.
Speaker 1: To the detail that of football coach.
Speaker 4: An NFL coach has to So your depth of knowledge
Speaker 4: is far greater than ours. So when we cover football,
Speaker 4: we tend to use a lot of generalities. Yeah, especially
Speaker 4: because the fans are kind of in the same place
Speaker 4: we are.
Speaker 1: So the generality here would.
Speaker 4: Be Dave Caws comes from Seattle working under Shane Waldron,
Speaker 4: who came from the Rams. So we look at what
Speaker 4: Seattle did. Is that in a broader sense? Is that
Speaker 4: fair for us to go let's look at what Seattle did.
Speaker 4: We're going to see a lot of those elements here.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. And you know, with with plays and
Speaker 3: systems changing, the philosophy is the same. And that is
Speaker 3: where Coach Bowles and I really connected in the interview process.
Speaker 3: Was on this philosophy of how to play football that
Speaker 3: Pete had trained us and raised us up in. So
Speaker 3: a lot of that will be very similar there. And
Speaker 3: then in specifics in terms of plays, it's a combination
Speaker 3: of things that we evolved to over the course of
Speaker 3: thirteen years in Seattle with my time there with four
Speaker 3: different coordinators and the bulk of it of course being
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. So a lot of the things that I
Speaker 3: that we saw success with, we're just going to incorporate
Speaker 3: into our system. And then this whole other flavor that
Speaker 3: Shane Waldron's influence coming from La just a sophistication of
Speaker 3: how you present these things is really been huge for
Speaker 3: my career in the last two years learning that.
Speaker 4: And you say specifics, I look at Seattle last year,
Speaker 4: your usage of two tight end twelve personnel, Yeah, twenty
Speaker 4: nine virtually double what we did last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is that the kind of thing we'll see more of.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think one thing that will help you
Speaker 3: guys too, is just as you look at personnel usage
Speaker 3: and formation types, if you go through and you eliminate
Speaker 3: third downs, Okay, eliminate third downs and then eliminate two
Speaker 3: minutes before the half or two minutes before the end
Speaker 3: of game. Then you'll reduce a lot of those eleven personnel,
Speaker 3: ten personnel, lighter, more receiver formations, and if you look
Speaker 3: at it in a snapshot of first and second down,
Speaker 3: you'll really get a better picture of how people are
Speaker 3: utilizing and deploying tight ends or other personnels.
Speaker 4: So I can do that by the way, they can
Speaker 4: manifit the stats and see what they are.
Speaker 3: It'll it'll be, it'll be, it'll be way more fair.
Speaker 3: And in terms of run past, you know, raceires, because
Speaker 3: you're going to get into those situations if you're down
Speaker 3: two scores or if you're in a two minute drill,
Speaker 3: most of it's passed.
Speaker 4: So non special cat basically exactly know.
Speaker 3: And the way we talk upstairs is just say first
Speaker 3: and second down, no situations, okay, so no specific situation
Speaker 3: is just normal ball, and then you get a real
Speaker 3: snapshot of what that core system would look like for ours,
Speaker 3: for anybody you.
Speaker 4: Also Seattle also last year seventeen point one percent of
Speaker 4: the quarterback throws were on the run. Yeah, means they're
Speaker 4: running more than eight miles per hour. I assume some
Speaker 4: of that was designed with Tom Brady Ours was three percent,
Speaker 4: and it was a begrudging three percent. I think. So
Speaker 4: everybody's talking about how your offense has a lot of
Speaker 4: quarterback movement, and so this is this is a stat
Speaker 4: that we can hang our head on.
Speaker 3: There, absolutely and same same deal, same metric. Person, you know,
Speaker 3: if you employ that, if you employ that to that,
Speaker 3: to those numbers, then you'll see it'll be even higher
Speaker 3: than that, you know. And really it's just that the
Speaker 3: marriage of the run and pass, you know. And that's
Speaker 3: a kind of a sound bite and a buzz buzzword
Speaker 3: that we use a lot, but it really is true.
Speaker 3: You get the quarterback on the move and it helps
Speaker 3: you on the backside of runs keeping the defense.
Speaker 4: Honest, Okay, that makes sense. I'm go ahead. Well, I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm dominating a guy a lot of numbers here.
Speaker 1: I got to get Scott. You had to run upstairs
Speaker 1: to get your notes, Dave, and I will sit here
Speaker 1: and let you go ahead.
Speaker 4: How do you get about He's all about I want
Speaker 4: to understand. I want to understand the game, Jeff.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: So you said the other day that two point seven
Speaker 4: seconds after the snap to the release is your optimal number. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: how do you how did you get to that number?
Speaker 3: Just over time? Just you know, really, Coach Carol was
Speaker 3: a stickler about us keeping the clock on our quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So one of our analysts was keeping track of how
Speaker 3: long it was to the release of the ball on
Speaker 3: all of our passes, whether it was seven on seven,
Speaker 3: red zone or any of our play actions, to keep
Speaker 3: track of those things. And the two point seven ended
Speaker 3: up being like a nice average for a well timed,
Speaker 3: well delivered, and quick decision in a pass play. Once
Speaker 3: you get above three seconds, you know, that's where the
Speaker 3: pockets start to deteriorate, you know, and that's where you know,
Speaker 3: just a lot of the the d line movement really
Speaker 3: starts to have an effect on the quarterbacks. If you
Speaker 3: can make a past decision before that, then generally you're
Speaker 3: playing pretty clean.
Speaker 4: And with two point seven seconds. Okay, so a little
Speaker 4: bit of history here. Last year the offensive line was
Speaker 4: a little bit up and down because there's a lot
Speaker 4: of you know, retirements and injuries and so on, and
Speaker 4: so Tom Brady in the end of his career, the
Speaker 4: greatest player of all time. Obviously there's nothing negative being
Speaker 4: said here, but he just he did I don't think
Speaker 4: he wanted to take sacks or move around a whole lot.
Speaker 4: So I think the ball is getting out in two
Speaker 4: point four to two point five seconds, and we wonder
Speaker 4: does that hinder the opportunities to get the ball downfield
Speaker 4: to Mike Evans and Chris Gottwin. But in two point
Speaker 4: seven seconds, you could still get the ball downfield, right?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? So the average go ball last year in the
Speaker 3: NFL was about two point five seconds. Really, yeah, and
Speaker 3: even got that or oh that's great.
Speaker 1: You're gonna use that on game day? Okay, go ahead, And.
Speaker 3: Some teams are even quicker than that, you know, studying
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Bengals, some of their some of their vertical
Speaker 3: balls outside got up in two point two or two
Speaker 3: point three.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what you're saying is the ball is out
Speaker 1: of his hands, is not necessarily in the receiver's heads
Speaker 1: in two point three?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did you just figure that out?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And from a quarterback standpoint, he doesn't care when
Speaker 3: they catch it as long as that ball's gone, and
Speaker 3: then they start chasing him anymore.
Speaker 1: When it's interesting. Mike Evans made a comment that he
Speaker 1: after seeing your offense, he said that he saw some
Speaker 1: plays he's never seen before us our routes and so
Speaker 1: to me, yeah, which to me, yeah, here's a guy
Speaker 1: that's been in the league ten years. How many offensive
Speaker 1: coordinators has he been through here? Plenty? Right, So where
Speaker 1: does this new routes come from?
Speaker 3: Maybe the nature of it is just you know, being
Speaker 3: able to put him in unique spots information and so
Speaker 3: when he goes to these different places in a formation,
Speaker 3: he may take on the personality from a route standpoint
Speaker 3: of a tight end or of a slot receiver or
Speaker 3: a single x like he's been his whole career, you know,
Speaker 3: up to this point. So when you're in there, it
Speaker 3: could have been the same concept he might have been
Speaker 3: running before, but that actual route is something that maybe
Speaker 3: he hasn't done a lot. And I'll just tell you
Speaker 3: he can do it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's you know, that's been fun for us. And
Speaker 3: then of course just always trying to push the envelope
Speaker 3: and just ten or fifteen percent of research and development
Speaker 3: just trying to go, hey, this is really cool that
Speaker 3: so and so tried, let's see if Mike can do it.
Speaker 4: You know, so you're probably a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, So, and that's also that Okay, now how can we.
Speaker 1: So how exciting is it for you to be able
Speaker 1: to look at the personnel that's here when you're walking
Speaker 1: in the door and say, these are the toys that
Speaker 1: I get to play with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's part of the that's part
Speaker 3: of this process that I know that we've we've we've
Speaker 3: been kind of people aren't really giving us a lot
Speaker 3: of pre season praise, but correct, well, just.
Speaker 1: Be honest about it. They're not giving us a chance
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: Right, And so I come into this interview process and
Speaker 3: I go, you mean to tell me those if I
Speaker 3: get this job, those are my two primary receivers, and
Speaker 3: Chris and Mike and Kate Aughton, who I really liked,
Speaker 3: you know, being at U dub right there and we're
Speaker 3: we're right down the street. And Rashad White, you know,
Speaker 3: and Keishawn Vaughan, who you know, followed his career, you know, passively,
Speaker 3: and then you know, the offensive line and the pieces
Speaker 3: that are already there. I just I just couldn't understand
Speaker 3: how there wasn't more excitement around the potential of this offense.
Speaker 3: And so I'm very excited about these guys.
Speaker 4: Russell Gauge another nice piece.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely not to Oh.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't mean that. He said the other day that,
Speaker 4: HARKing back to his days with the Falcons, that he
Speaker 4: felt some he felt like you saw some similarities in
Speaker 4: your offense to Kyle shanahan offense. I don't know how
Speaker 4: that connection is made. Do you see any of that?
Speaker 3: Well, Kyle had a huge influence on Sean McVay. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they were, they were in Washington together for a
Speaker 3: couple of years, and they did a fantastic job together.
Speaker 3: So there is this trickle down effect of people that
Speaker 3: have come out of this offensive tree. So there's some similarities, yes, Okay.
Speaker 4: The old storyline about Kyle Shannon and how well they've
Speaker 4: done in San Francisco is and even with some quarterbacks
Speaker 4: like brock Party that you wouldn't necessarily expect to be
Speaker 4: so successful. Is that they do a great job of
Speaker 4: scheming guys wide open. And I have heard several guys
Speaker 4: at the microphone during training camp saying I'm wide open.
Speaker 4: They're getting me wide open. So is that sort of
Speaker 4: what maybe Russell's trying to say that they're doing a
Speaker 4: good job. You're doing a good job, and you guys
Speaker 4: are doing a good job of scheming guys open, I
Speaker 4: would hope, so.
Speaker 3: I would hope we're trying to you know, if it
Speaker 3: comes down to a mono amano matchup consistently and ball
Speaker 3: as coaches, you're not trying hard enough, you know, if
Speaker 3: you're just relying on the talent and the skill level
Speaker 3: of your players, obviously that's what takes us as far
Speaker 3: as we can go. But from a basic level, that's
Speaker 3: too hard, you know, that's really straining on the players,
Speaker 3: whether it's in the run game or the pass game.
Speaker 3: So whatever we can do to help them get free
Speaker 3: access to their releases, whatever we can do to help
Speaker 3: them in the run game to execute their blocks, we
Speaker 3: try to do that to make it a little bit easier.
Speaker 1: Are you going to be on the field or up
Speaker 1: in the booth?
Speaker 3: I'll be on the field, Okay, Yeah, very important this year,
Speaker 3: especially trying to figure out the quarterback situation, which is
Speaker 3: going fantastic better than I can even better than I
Speaker 3: could have imagined or even dreamed of the way that
Speaker 3: this is going. And so being on the field to
Speaker 3: allow me to be connected with those guys, especially through
Speaker 3: the preseason, to really see them. EBB and flow in
Speaker 3: the course of a game.
Speaker 4: Nobody cares more right now about the Buccaneers than the
Speaker 4: quarterback competition. So can you just give us a quick
Speaker 4: update on how each bike Baker and we're not selling
Speaker 4: John Woolford Shore, but I think this is being billed
Speaker 4: as a competition between Kyle Trask and Baker Mayfield. So
Speaker 4: just you said it's going fantastic, can you give us
Speaker 4: an idea how each of those two guys are doing
Speaker 4: what they're doing well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. So. What Baker does well is his experience
Speaker 3: allows him to see things and to anticipate. And what
Speaker 3: I'm seeing from Kyle in that regard is I'm seeing
Speaker 3: a guy who's working tirelessly, studying, asking questions. Kyle wants
Speaker 3: it to be crystal clear. Okay, let's go over this
Speaker 3: one more time. And so as he catches up with
Speaker 3: the concepts, you see his talent really starting to emerge.
Speaker 3: You got two fantastic guys with really strong arms, great
Speaker 3: quick decision making ability, and pretty good athletes, both of them.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously I was spoiled having Russell and then
Speaker 3: Gino Smith, two guys who you know, traditionally could really
Speaker 3: run and move around where these guys get it done
Speaker 3: another way, but short space quickness, both of them can
Speaker 3: get it done. So watching those guys really push each
Speaker 3: other as we try to master this offense has been
Speaker 3: so cool.
Speaker 4: They've been very gracious with your time. Let's ask one
Speaker 4: more question each well.
Speaker 1: I was just curious, do you have to depending on
Speaker 1: what quarterback where you have to change your game calling
Speaker 1: plays during a game depending on which one of those
Speaker 1: guys are in or are you comfortable with both?
Speaker 3: I would say slightly, And it's really just a level
Speaker 3: of comfort that they have with past concepts, so they
Speaker 3: just may favor one or the other. So that's just
Speaker 3: taking notes and having really the best thing to do
Speaker 3: in the preseason just have two separate call sheets for
Speaker 3: guys so you don't have to filter through all of them. Okay,
Speaker 3: but I would say seventy five percent of it. They're
Speaker 3: all three guys, you know, John included have really mastered
Speaker 3: most of that and there's just a few things that
Speaker 3: he doesn't really like or I can tell is not
Speaker 3: being really effective in and those things will just like,
Speaker 3: all right, it's not call those plays in those situations.
Speaker 1: So what's the one thing you have to remember just
Speaker 1: one more. Don't give me that.
Speaker 3: Look, Oh, I got time.
Speaker 1: We're good, he's good.
Speaker 3: We're all set and organized for tomorrow. Guys. So the
Speaker 3: thing you're holding me back from is a a timeline
Speaker 3: order Marvel Movies marathon that we're doing with the family
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: Well, we won't take much time.
Speaker 3: I mean we've been rolling over summer. Uh we just
Speaker 3: watched ant Man, so which everyone comes after? I can't
Speaker 3: remember what.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not either. Okay, you're gonna go
Speaker 1: to the stadium. You haven't been there? Have you been
Speaker 1: at Raymond James Stadium?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I've been there a couple of times. Okay, So what
Speaker 1: is the one thing you got to remember on game day?
Speaker 1: The call sheet? Fair enough? Fair enough?
Speaker 3: I think I can get it done with anything else
Speaker 3: not being there.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you'll be good any anywhere else.
Speaker 4: The equipment guys will take care of him if he
Speaker 4: forgets anything.
Speaker 1: Well, there's that too. So when do you think you're
Speaker 1: gonna really feel like it's just football? Because this is
Speaker 1: this it's a preseason game, but you are getting your
Speaker 1: feet wet of actually calling a game. And we spoke
Speaker 1: a little bit when Scott was running upstairs calling bringing
Speaker 1: up Well, it's called being prepared. So you mentioned calling
Speaker 1: plays throughout a whole game. Yeah, what do you what?
Speaker 1: What is that thought process? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I think what I'm learning through these practices and
Speaker 3: Coach Bowls has done a fantastic job of creating some
Speaker 3: longer call it scenarios, especially a training camp six we
Speaker 3: did at in the evening at six pm, you know,
Speaker 3: so we had a couple of drills and then hopped
Speaker 3: into that later on a training camp day and then
Speaker 3: had some long call it periods. I'm realizing there is
Speaker 3: an element of mental endurance that's required, not just physical endurance,
Speaker 3: but just to be able to like your eyes are
Speaker 3: being back and forth from this section to that section
Speaker 3: to this section. So just knowing that I'm gonna need
Speaker 3: that kind of reps, those kind of workouts in the
Speaker 3: preseason to finish and call a whole game. And then
Speaker 3: beyond that, just I think you talked about, you know,
Speaker 3: bringing making it feel more normal. I think once we
Speaker 3: actually sit down as a staff and do our like
Speaker 3: a mock game plan a couple of days where we're prepping,
Speaker 3: we're meeting, we're taking this big list and honing it.
Speaker 3: I think that's when I'll start to really feel like,
Speaker 3: here we go, just football, three season football.
Speaker 4: I was gonna that was gonna be my last question
Speaker 4: about the call period. So if any fans listening don't
Speaker 4: know what that means. I think in most years, most
Speaker 4: full teen periods in training camp are scripted, scripted plays, right,
Speaker 4: might be eighteen, might be twelve, whatever. But in these
Speaker 4: they're not scripted, and you're calling them as we go. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that obviously has been something you've enjoyed and gotten
Speaker 4: great value out of, right, absolutely, So my last question instead,
Speaker 4: will we were talking about what you might bring from
Speaker 4: Seattle and what we might be seeing when it comes
Speaker 4: to the run game, which is obviously a big area
Speaker 4: that the Buccaneers need of improvement from the last few years.
Speaker 4: Is it accurate to call this mid zone wide zone
Speaker 4: stretched sort of horizontally and hit a gap kind of
Speaker 4: running game, is right? So I know you would probably do.
Speaker 3: It all, right, Yes, So I think that the cool
Speaker 3: part is that just introducing a little bit of mid zone,
Speaker 3: And I think what we have to give credit to
Speaker 3: is Joe Gilbert and yeah, great coach Harold Goodwin, who's
Speaker 3: our run game coordinator assistant head coach, Like between Goody
Speaker 3: and Joe, they've blocked every single run. I can't come
Speaker 3: up with. I cannot come up with a run, and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh yeah, do this, do this yep exactly,
Speaker 3: And so there isn't anything that they haven't done, and
Speaker 3: so I think bringing in mid zone but it's very
Speaker 3: similar to wide zone. There are there are small changes
Speaker 3: in it. But I think the coolest part for me
Speaker 3: has been coming here and learning more about gap schemes,
Speaker 3: pin and poll schemes. Different We ran a lot of
Speaker 3: duo as well, but nobody, nobody has done it better
Speaker 3: than Goodie and you know, coach coach arians, you know,
Speaker 3: over the over the course of years. We saw it
Speaker 3: firsthand for for years. But I think just for myself,
Speaker 3: just learning the ins and outs of his run game
Speaker 3: has been like it's cool. It's new to me, you know,
Speaker 3: and so I kind of geek out on that stuff.
Speaker 3: Walk through, He'll stop it and like, I wonder what
Speaker 3: happened here? He starts to adjust these two linemen and
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, sweet, this is cool. So just continuing
Speaker 3: to you know, expand my my information that I have
Speaker 3: from a football.
Speaker 4: So for for football fans who might not understand all
Speaker 4: the terminology, it zone would be sort of like linemen
Speaker 4: moving in tandem, horizontal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, zone blocking schemes like full one direction you know, yep,
Speaker 3: outside in one gap, out of time.
Speaker 1: So you are very excited about our running backs because
Speaker 1: that's also been a big conversation.
Speaker 3: I you know, it's a great room, so you know Rashad.
Speaker 3: I expect huge things from Rashad, not just in the
Speaker 3: run game, but also the past game. He's so versatile.
Speaker 3: He's really a special talent. Keishan Vaughan has a real
Speaker 3: style to him, jump cut, slasher type. Chase Chase Edmonds
Speaker 3: is like shot out of a cannon, fast, aggressive, I mean,
Speaker 3: just really exciting to watch him. Sean Tucker from Syracuse
Speaker 3: the rookie, he's trying to send a message every day.
Speaker 3: He comes out there and he's running hard and he
Speaker 3: hits the hole. And then Patrick patrick Lair. Patrick Lair
Speaker 3: does everything right, you know, and he ran one of
Speaker 3: the best mid zones that we've had in camp today
Speaker 3: just today. You know, just the patience of it, staying
Speaker 3: in phase with the center and hitting the gaps the
Speaker 3: way that it was supposed to be. It was so clean.
Speaker 3: And then Ronnie Brown, We're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 3: in the pre season and he's gonna he's gonna get
Speaker 3: those late games carries and those are always my favorite
Speaker 3: guys because he's got a lot of carries in his career.
Speaker 3: So just Earnest Graham just being able to like showcase
Speaker 3: you know what he can do. So I'm really excited
Speaker 3: about the running back.
Speaker 4: For Bucks fans. This is what it's like when when
Speaker 4: Dave Can does a podium interview, they ask my position. Well,
Speaker 4: he literally mentions, here's here every single I don't know
Speaker 4: how you can remember.
Speaker 1: Well, what I was gonna tell Dave was listen. I
Speaker 1: don't have a clock on you, so you can talk
Speaker 1: as long as you and he knows what I'm talking.
Speaker 4: The other day when you somebody asks you about the
Speaker 4: receivers and you literally I study this stuff all the time,
Speaker 4: and I doubt that I could have immediately recalled all
Speaker 4: eleven names.
Speaker 1: No, but it's what's amazing to you. What's amazing is
Speaker 1: Dave sitting here and he has zero paperwork. He is
Speaker 1: just you know, I've seen I I won't say who,
Speaker 1: but but I've seen coaches have a flip chart.
Speaker 4: If they didn't or they just say numbers number eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they didn't have flip chart, they couldn't tell
Speaker 1: me anything, which always made me a little nervous.
Speaker 3: But there are there are guys, you know, And I
Speaker 3: think that as we get to know him, having a
Speaker 3: spring and then having you know, ten practices now through camp,
Speaker 3: you really get to see what guys can do. And
Speaker 3: I think that I was trained in Seattle. I was
Speaker 3: trained to find what they can do and put them
Speaker 3: in situations to do that. And just the coaches, the
Speaker 3: head coaches and offensive coordinators who I admire from AFAR,
Speaker 3: it seems like their offense morphs into their talent and
Speaker 3: what they do well, and it's like, oh, yeah, he
Speaker 3: would They should totally do that play with this guy.
Speaker 4: So like Andy Reid making that offense. Yeah, he's the one.
Speaker 3: He's exactly what I'm talking about, you know. And and
Speaker 3: also you know Josh McDaniels and watching him with whatever
Speaker 3: personnel he was given in New England and now in Vegas,
Speaker 3: he found a way to go, Okay, these are my
Speaker 3: best people. Here's a package of plays that come with it,
Speaker 3: you know, And so just learning from all these eyes,
Speaker 3: of course, Kyle Shannan and Sean McVay.
Speaker 4: And it'll be interesting to see if Shane Stikeen is
Speaker 4: like that in Indy. I feel like he was that
Speaker 4: kind of guy in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: I bet.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Dave, thank you so much. We kept you longer.
Speaker 1: I'm cranked up.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to guys, ready, and I'm getting all my talking.
Speaker 3: So I get home and.
Speaker 4: I'll just to to Captain America Civil War.
Speaker 3: Perhaps, you know what, I think that that.
Speaker 4: Would be the most ridiculous pull of all time because
Speaker 4: I don't know these movies. If we google it, I
Speaker 4: have seen maybe two Marvel movies.
Speaker 1: Ever, those are those are what I call airplane.
Speaker 4: But he's gonna find I know. Can you imagine If
Speaker 4: I got.
Speaker 1: That right, I'll never live it down.
Speaker 3: I timeline order.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there you're actually watching them.
Speaker 3: In Captain America. Okay, they were all the way to Avengers. Okay,
Speaker 3: then we just watched man. Give me the list?
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, fingers crossed, where's the list? This
Speaker 4: could be my podcast.
Speaker 1: People are yelling right now what it is?
Speaker 3: A man? And then the next one after ant Man
Speaker 3: is Captain America Civil War. That's unbelievable because there's like
Speaker 3: ten or eleven more after that.
Speaker 4: Oh, my greatest podcast would have all Wow, thanks to David.
Speaker 1: I shut three quarter off. Well, thank you, Dave. Good luck.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, thank you, and we're done well, but
Speaker 4: fans stay tuned. We're gonna come back and we're going
Speaker 4: to answer fans questions for our.
Speaker 1: Friends, like thank you the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 4: And we're back here one more time on the Salty
Speaker 4: Dogs Podcast, our first one of the season of twenty three.
Speaker 1: Wow. We we have set the bar very high. Yes right,
Speaker 1: oh man, you gotta start slow, but no, not us.
Speaker 1: We're right out of the gate.
Speaker 4: I kept saying, we got to get him out of here,
Speaker 4: and You're like, it's fine, it's fine, and he said,
Speaker 4: it's fine.
Speaker 1: I know you're very respectful of people's time, and so
Speaker 1: am I. But what I what I do is I
Speaker 1: watch body language. I was having this discussion earlier today.
Speaker 1: We had Coach on different radio stations and you know,
Speaker 1: I put a clock on it and I'm watching it
Speaker 1: and h he was on our flagship station, ninety eight Rock,
Speaker 1: and they're not their morning show's personality, it's lifestyle things
Speaker 1: of that. Dus Not had course sports and they had
Speaker 1: Todd laughing and even they even got him to say
Speaker 1: to scream go Bucks during that was who it was.
Speaker 1: That was him who yelled go Bucks.
Speaker 4: Because it was right next to our press conferences that
Speaker 4: were going on.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he he looked around, he paused, and then
Speaker 1: he then he yelled go Bucks. And so what I
Speaker 1: was watching was his body language of he was comfortable.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. You know, You know it as well as
Speaker 1: I do. If you watch coaches players when they want
Speaker 1: to wrap up an interview, you get if you're paying attention,
Speaker 1: you're going to notice.
Speaker 4: If you're the interviewer, Yeah, you need to be able
Speaker 4: to notice that thing.
Speaker 1: But I think Dave would have stayed there all night
Speaker 1: with us personally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that wouldn't have been fairly. Remember as he said,
Speaker 4: you need to get home and watch that movie. And
Speaker 4: how about me pulling up the movie?
Speaker 1: Is I know nothing about Marvel Listen, it bans me.
Speaker 1: But I gotta give you props because I got nothing
Speaker 1: on it. And you you truly and you did not
Speaker 1: google or anything. You just you just blurted.
Speaker 4: I thought, of, to be quite honest with.
Speaker 1: You, But why would you think of that. I could
Speaker 1: have sat there for ten years and never thought I
Speaker 1: could have easily said.
Speaker 4: Are Spider Man or those Marvel movies?
Speaker 1: I you're I don't know.
Speaker 4: I I uh, yeah, I think they are because I
Speaker 4: think Venom's a Marvel movie and that's an offshoot of
Speaker 4: Spider Man. I saw that one.
Speaker 1: Listen the movies I watch. You tell me, hey, you
Speaker 1: need to watch this movie, and I watch it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you should go see Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1: Then, yes, I do want to see that. I thought
Speaker 1: it was really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I did not do the Barbenheimer double feature Spiker
Speaker 4: Marvey movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard people say it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people' say movie. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: If somebody bought me a ticket, i'd go. I don't
Speaker 4: think I musa spend money on it.
Speaker 1: Airplane movie, Okay, okay, yeah, that's a good call, right,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was great. That was a lot of
Speaker 4: great information from Dave.
Speaker 1: We very much appreciate it, and you can go back
Speaker 1: and listen to it, and I think you're going to
Speaker 1: learn even more because it's a little it got a
Speaker 1: little technical, which is nothing. Yes, you did really well
Speaker 1: with that, but it is one of those interviews that
Speaker 1: you could listen to a couple of times, maybe even
Speaker 1: after the first game. Go back and listen to it,
Speaker 1: and then you can connect the dots see what he
Speaker 1: meant exactly.
Speaker 4: Okay, right, all right, so questions here?
Speaker 1: Now, wow, this first one, this was these questions must
Speaker 1: be really old.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, a couple of them came in right after
Speaker 4: the draft, but one of them actually came in this afternoon,
Speaker 4: like as I was printing.
Speaker 1: Out the few questions that did they know?
Speaker 4: Well, I think you're going to get an idea and
Speaker 4: I'll explain they didn't know, but you'll understand what happened here.
Speaker 4: So this is a question from a listener who's written
Speaker 4: in before, named Sam, who lives in Nashville.
Speaker 1: I remember, yes, and I'm not going to read the
Speaker 1: first paragraph.
Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with it, but it kind of highlights
Speaker 4: a comment I made about drafted players that didn't age
Speaker 4: very well. And I just want to point out that, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm not a scout, correct, I don't crunch about hundreds
Speaker 4: of hours of films before the draft. So, as is
Speaker 4: the case with ninety eight percent of the people you're
Speaker 4: reading about writing about the draft. They're getting the information
Speaker 4: from reading sure, lots of scouting reports from other people,
Speaker 4: connecting excess dots, you know, between needs and listening to
Speaker 4: podcasts and so on, and so sometimes I think through
Speaker 4: that process because I spend a lot of time doing
Speaker 4: that leading up to the draft. I absorb opinions about
Speaker 4: a player here there, good or bad that if I
Speaker 4: went back there and talked to our scouts about it,
Speaker 4: the being that's not right, right, you got that all wrong, bro.
Speaker 4: But I don't really get that opportunity.
Speaker 1: So let's just say, can I say, can I say
Speaker 1: something I've not read this letter, but I will say
Speaker 1: that if you look at people picking draft picks and
Speaker 1: who and what, well, they're like they're like weather people.
Speaker 4: Okay, there's absolutely nothing insulting about it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but from Sam. But what I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: is is like like you were saying, it's a crap show.
Speaker 1: It's a crap shoot. It's a crap shoot for football, right,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's an educated crap shoot for that
Speaker 1: much more education.
Speaker 4: Yes, the point being, in the in the midst of
Speaker 4: covering these things, sometimes you say something about a player
Speaker 4: that you've kind of absorbed through months of studying, and
Speaker 4: your own team may feel differently. Yeah, so, but what
Speaker 4: he uses this as an intro into a question? I like,
Speaker 4: so I want to read the question good. This got
Speaker 4: me thinking when when was there a time that you
Speaker 4: were happy that Jason or one of the previous Bucks
Speaker 4: gyms didn't listen to you during the draft or free agency?
Speaker 4: For instance, I remember yelling at the radio during the
Speaker 4: two fourteen NFL Draft because we passed a golden opportunity
Speaker 4: to snag our franchise quarterback in Johnny Manzel and decided
Speaker 4: to go with Mike Evans, who I was sure was good.
Speaker 4: But a receiver can only do so much if he
Speaker 4: doesn't have a quarterback throwing to him. Another time, in
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, I was surprised when we had now stud
Speaker 4: Mike Evans, Deshaun Jackson, and our new first runner are
Speaker 4: O J.
Speaker 1: Howard, that we would waste a third round.
Speaker 4: Pick on yet another receiver in Penn State's Chris Godwin,
Speaker 4: when we had so many other needs on the teams
Speaker 4: we needed to fill. Needless to say, I'm glad things
Speaker 4: worked out as they did in both instances thanks to
Speaker 4: the great job. So do you remember a time like that? Now,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I actually told the GM my thoughts,
Speaker 4: but mine is two thousand and five, and it was
Speaker 4: a year we drafted Cadillac Williams fifth overall, and most
Speaker 4: people were particular we were either going to draft Cadiac
Speaker 4: Williams or the wide receiver. I think for maybe USC
Speaker 4: Mike Williams. And I definitely wanted us to draft the
Speaker 4: receiver because I'm like, we already have Michael Pittman. I
Speaker 4: think we might have already had Ernest Graham.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not the biggest need we have right now.
Speaker 4: And boy, you you could just uh, we had just
Speaker 4: gotten Michael Clayton the year before, and he'd had a
Speaker 4: wonderful rookie season.
Speaker 1: He did like, man, you draft another receiver.
Speaker 4: Now we got something here, and uh a Caddy. I
Speaker 4: know he ended up eventually getting some injury issues that
Speaker 4: limited what would have been an even greater career, but
Speaker 4: he was a really good player. So and then I'm
Speaker 4: going to look it up to make sure I got
Speaker 4: the right one. But let's see two thousand and five, Oh,
Speaker 4: I need the whole draft, not just stars.
Speaker 1: I just I don't you.
Speaker 4: Don't remember situations such as this.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to run through the you know, the
Speaker 1: draft picks they have, because again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted us to take USC wide receiver Mike Williams.
Speaker 4: You have to Yeah, there's been like three or four
Speaker 4: different Mike Williams to appreciate.
Speaker 1: Uh what no ours was okay?
Speaker 4: Or Mike Williams wasn't bad, especially for like a fourth
Speaker 4: round drafts.
Speaker 1: Well, that's true.
Speaker 4: I mean some of these other Mike Williams were considered
Speaker 4: big time busts. This Mike Williams here finished his career
Speaker 4: with a total of one hundred and twenty seven catches
Speaker 4: and only one season did he have more than twenty nine.
Speaker 4: So that's that's a pretty big bust. That's who I
Speaker 4: wanted us to draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good question. But I honestly I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't have one. When I went, oh,
Speaker 1: because I just put the faith in the football side.
Speaker 4: I forgot he was from Tampa, this Mike Williams. Oh, okay, anyway, No,
Speaker 4: you should, you should, you should, you absolutely should put
Speaker 4: your faith in the football. Yeah, but we also aren't
Speaker 4: told ahead of time who drafting? No, No, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: my example. You can't think of one.
Speaker 1: No, But I like your I like the question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's going to that's going to bother me.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of other other times when this happened. Right, Oh, well,
Speaker 4: I think I wanted us to draft the pass rusher
Speaker 4: that Jacksonville drafted a few years ago, Josh Allen, when
Speaker 4: we drafted Devin White, and Devin White has turned in
Speaker 4: and off. Sure is wrong on that one.
Speaker 1: I mean I would look back and say, you know,
Speaker 1: how how I wish we would have drafted people? You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, oh that guys we didn't get. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you can play that game forever. But you know, I
Speaker 1: always remember, you know, how did we pass up Tom
Speaker 1: Brady for crying six times?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: Were you thinking on that one? You know?
Speaker 4: My favorite one is is it's amazing for me to
Speaker 4: look back and realize I have to get the two
Speaker 4: teams passed on Barry Sanders. Yeah, nineteen eighty nine draft.
Speaker 1: I can't run. No, it was just because did we
Speaker 1: have a shot at EMMITTT.
Speaker 3: Smith?
Speaker 4: No. The thing with Barry Sanders is it's it's not
Speaker 4: that the whoever Okay, let's see it was it was
Speaker 4: ninth and eight nine. Whoever was drafting probably felt like
Speaker 4: they didn't need a running back and so it was
Speaker 4: a waste those pie So Troy Aikman went first to
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, so you can that's okay, And then the
Speaker 4: Packers had the notable bus twenty Mandarins second overall. Right,
Speaker 4: and you know, I bet the Packers would have load
Speaker 4: to bed Barry Sanders, right, but they probably thought that
Speaker 4: they were I had a running back and really needed
Speaker 4: to tackle.
Speaker 1: He was great to watch.
Speaker 4: I just recently a few days ago, for some reason,
Speaker 4: was prompted to go call up a Barry Sanders highlight
Speaker 4: reel on YouTube. And I would just recommend that everybody
Speaker 4: does that like once a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous. He is.
Speaker 4: If I if I were allowed to start a team
Speaker 4: and I could have any and I was getting one
Speaker 4: guy each position, and I could have him in the prime,
Speaker 4: Barry Sanders would be my running back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: Maybe Jim Brown's the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a lot of different game.
Speaker 4: Walter Patrian Peterson and Walter Payton was find one. But
Speaker 4: I'm taking Barry Sanders, because he's can't possibly have been
Speaker 4: a more fun guy to watch. Yeah, head running back?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 4: All right, thanks Sam? Good question?
Speaker 1: Now question Sam. That's the second half of the.
Speaker 4: Story is that today, as I was putting these out
Speaker 4: and thinking about how I was going to handle that one,
Speaker 4: I get another one from Sam and he said, basically,
Speaker 4: if you didn't, if you didn't real feel comfortable talking
Speaker 4: about that last question, I sent, here's another one.
Speaker 1: He had doubts he had to, he had second thoughts.
Speaker 1: He probably reread the email and went.
Speaker 4: But again he didn't do anything wrong. No, no, no
Speaker 4: polite email. I just didn't really want to get into it.
Speaker 4: So there have been a lot of throwback in uniforms
Speaker 4: revealed this offseason since the one helmet rule has been revoked,
Speaker 4: including the Bucks outside of the Bucks, which is clearly
Speaker 4: the best. Which throwback uniforms? Are you and Jeff looking
Speaker 4: forward to seamos? Have you? And he's said glad to
Speaker 4: have the dogs back. Have you seen any of these?
Speaker 1: I've seen. I like the Lions, but I like the
Speaker 1: old Lions one.
Speaker 4: Okay, the one with the old helmet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The throwback at Home was pretty cool. Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did a little bit of a Google search
Speaker 4: and just quickly so I'll go down what I saw.
Speaker 4: There's a brown throwback which I couldn't even tell the throwback.
Speaker 1: Then they need to get white with brown and orange.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know what the throwbacking part of it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to get rid of Brownie.
Speaker 4: So that's funny that you said that, because I was
Speaker 4: just thinking the other night brown and yellow shouldn't work.
Speaker 4: But when I see the Padres on TV, I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's that's not bad.
Speaker 1: That's because of the Padres.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, whatever, I mean, what is a better name
Speaker 4: for a brown team than the Browns? M mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I don't understand your feedback here.
Speaker 1: I just think the Padres are special.
Speaker 4: The usually the answer to this question, if it says
Speaker 4: best and uniform in it is that whatever you're saying,
Speaker 4: my answer is the Chargers. Well, yeah, you've taken out
Speaker 4: the Bucks, so I don't have to worry about saying
Speaker 4: they're better old and new logos every uniform they have. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the Chargers have a bunch of different uniform combinations and
Speaker 4: they probably have three of the five best uniforms in
Speaker 4: the entire NFL. Yeah, and apparently they are bringing back
Speaker 4: a navy blue helmet from like the early two thousands
Speaker 4: this year, which is fine.
Speaker 1: But I also think is cool is the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: are bringing back the oilers.
Speaker 4: I was getting there and I tell you other story,
Speaker 4: and I got to say.
Speaker 1: Who, but one of our new interns was in and
Speaker 1: we were discussing a different throwbacks and they did not understand.
Speaker 1: They didn't know what that was. The Derek the oil yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and so I started thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and I went, Okay, at that person's age, it makes
Speaker 1: sense that you wouldn't. It's like, yeah, what did the
Speaker 1: Oh you're going way back. Yeah, if you're not been
Speaker 1: around it, you know the Washington Senators, you know, you
Speaker 1: go no way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think that's very cool that they're they're
Speaker 1: honoring that. I'm shocked. I am too, because they could.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like anything else, you try to distance
Speaker 1: yourself from the past because they moved. And then now
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, enough time has passed, they've got to
Speaker 1: you know, wounds have healed. We can go ahead and
Speaker 1: go with it.
Speaker 4: Can you possibly imagine the Baltimore Ravens wearing throwback Cleveland
Speaker 4: Brown uniforms.
Speaker 1: Oh, now that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 4: How about the Indianapolis Colts wearing throwback Baltimore Colts uniforms?
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think that would work.
Speaker 4: No way, no way, would they ever do that.
Speaker 1: That'd be pretty cool. I like those, Oh that would
Speaker 1: be cool. But so I'm very surprised that they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised. Now, if you're really going to have a throwback,
Speaker 1: you should have the Texans and uh, the Titans play
Speaker 1: at the Astrodome because it's still there.
Speaker 4: Oh but it's like a dump.
Speaker 1: It don't matter, it does matter.
Speaker 4: It's probably not safe to go in there.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't they still use it for rodeos.
Speaker 4: I don't think they use it for anything.
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, well I did a game there. We
Speaker 1: did a game one time there. Maybe you did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were around. It was with Sam Wish. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: in the Astrodome. I feel like I would remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: which was?
Speaker 3: Which was?
Speaker 1: And they used to call it like the eighth one
Speaker 1: of they did because well, when they first built it,
Speaker 1: they had real grass in it, and then they had glass,
Speaker 1: and they realized that real grass is not going to
Speaker 1: grow there. That's how they discovered what astro turf. There
Speaker 1: you go, that's my little history lesson. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's a very very cool way.
Speaker 4: To get The astrodome was declared non compliant with fire
Speaker 4: code by the Houston Fire Department in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: and parts of it were demolished in twenty thirteen. After
Speaker 4: several years of disuse. In twenty fourteen, it was listed
Speaker 4: on the National Register of Historic Places. Right, So no,
Speaker 4: I don't think they're using it anymore.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, too bad. I wish they would have upgraded
Speaker 1: it because that would have been very cool. But continue
Speaker 1: gas you got.
Speaker 4: I saw in Indianapolis, Colts One where they're doing something
Speaker 4: they're called Indiana Knights and was like as in nig
Speaker 4: not k Knights.
Speaker 1: And they're very they're like a darker blue and it's like.
Speaker 4: All dark blue and the helmet's black with blue horseshoe
Speaker 4: and it's pretty high like that. I got aid it
Speaker 4: look pretty like that the Jets had something. They even
Speaker 4: had Aaron Rodgers in it, and I was looking at
Speaker 4: like I wouldn't even know that's a throwback if I'm
Speaker 4: looking at it. Yeah, the Broncos are going to use
Speaker 4: their old white helmet with the old remember the d
Speaker 4: logo with the I do horse coming at it. That's
Speaker 4: pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, that was well, that was when
Speaker 1: Broncos were big time defense orange crush back in the day.
Speaker 4: Seahawks are going back to their old uniforms for a game,
Speaker 4: that's fine. And then the Eagles I kind of like
Speaker 4: that one. It's it's uniforms like from the Randall Cunningham era,
Speaker 4: right with the kelly green color and the helmets that
Speaker 4: look a little different than they do now. So those
Speaker 4: are the ones that I saw. I would say the
Speaker 4: one that's most interesting is the Oilers Titans one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was very very cool.
Speaker 4: But the Indiana n nice one.
Speaker 1: Look well, I have to say the cream Sickle is
Speaker 1: very excited. And and I was searching through in a
Speaker 1: bedroom that's not used very much at home and opened
Speaker 1: the flex opened up the Uh, yeah, I've got a
Speaker 1: few rooms that use. Your house is bigger than mine.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's true. I just is just
Speaker 1: not used. But anyways, in that closet it's actually an
Speaker 1: office now, the I found cream Sickle buccaneer.
Speaker 4: La gear La gear with with the little flame with
Speaker 4: the tags.
Speaker 1: Still you're gonna break it up? Uh, It's Creamsicle Day
Speaker 1: on Monday, and I'm trying to decide do I go
Speaker 1: all out and wear my old throat. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could make Joey jealous on this one. Joey Nelson, our
Speaker 1: social media director, he is a big Buck fan and everything.
Speaker 1: He has his throwback But yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really cool throwback stuff and I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's exciting and it's fun that
Speaker 1: fans are getting involved in it, and I think the
Speaker 1: players like it. And right now with the creamsickles, the
Speaker 1: players are very very excited by which, by the way,
Speaker 1: the unveiling of the Creamsicle video was awesome with Derek
Speaker 1: Brooks and Ron Day and Mike Alstadt as the I
Speaker 1: did see Mike on Saturday. Mike Alstadt as the bouncer. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's great stuff.
Speaker 4: So somebody did a screenshot of him and put on
Speaker 4: Twitter at just the right moment. So this Mike also,
Speaker 4: I could play like the villain in Action movie. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he had that look. Well, he's totally cut right now,
Speaker 4: Oh he looks good, he looks great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right?
Speaker 4: And one more right post draft dogs. This is from
Speaker 4: Mark in Mesa, Arizona, right members, and I love this.
Speaker 4: I agree with him.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 4: Members of the sports media tend to refer to all
Speaker 4: former first round picks as number one picks, which has
Speaker 4: never sat right with me. Correct even when qualified I
Speaker 4: either Bucks number one pick, it still feels inaccurate. What
Speaker 4: say ye fair or foul?
Speaker 1: I say foul? I say there's only one number one.
Speaker 1: The rest are first round picks at number thie, the.
Speaker 4: First round picks, yeah, the Bucks first round pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And when sometimes you clarify fifteenth overall, Oh, we're all correct, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's the only pick is the first pick.
Speaker 1: Number one. I could not agree with this more one
Speaker 1: is a very lonely number. It's like if he'd.
Speaker 4: Written in and said, hey, do you think super Bowl
Speaker 4: should be one word or two?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because it makes me irrationally angry when somebody writes super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Is one word. Yeah, No, it's not too it's a
Speaker 1: super ball and.
Speaker 4: He Mark also says, ps the Tampa two crossover episodes
Speaker 4: with case see and we have been great. Keep those coming,
Speaker 4: so we got to remember to do that every now
Speaker 4: and right. But that's that's Casey Phillips and Brianna Dix
Speaker 4: are and they have their own h in the season.
Speaker 1: It's called the Tampa two and it'll be honest podcast.
Speaker 4: Very good football analysis. Those they know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: You'll have that starting uh up during the regular season.
Speaker 1: We'll have five hours of podcasts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're giving you bonus stuff because we didn't really
Speaker 4: have to start starring camp, but we're just giving the
Speaker 4: fans the bonus.
Speaker 1: Actually, I was really surprised you were biting at the
Speaker 1: bit to do this right away, because you know, once
Speaker 1: we start now, we're locked in every week. So I
Speaker 1: got to figure out what we're gonna do when we're
Speaker 1: in New Jersey with the Jets.
Speaker 4: I have to do it every week season. The fans
Speaker 4: would like it, Yeah, the Buck fans. One more from
Speaker 4: our friend in South Paulo Brazilander now Cimento really quick,
Speaker 4: holy salty ones. Hope this finds you both well. I
Speaker 4: think this was like in June or July, right, Is
Speaker 4: this the only period of the year you guys get
Speaker 4: to take a time off work since you did Thanks
Speaker 4: for yes, it was season. Now never taken a vacation
Speaker 4: in any other times in the year from the you've
Speaker 4: never taken a vacation in March April?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I'm talking to off season is when
Speaker 1: you go, when we go on? When you go?
Speaker 4: I think he meant specifically the break that the coaches
Speaker 4: and the players have. Yes, the end of the off
Speaker 4: season program with the mini camp and then the start
Speaker 4: of camp. It's usually about six weeks long. It's usually
Speaker 4: about six weeks long, and it usually feels like it
Speaker 4: goes by in about two hours, right because you start,
Speaker 4: then you go, Okay, that's six more act.
Speaker 1: Actually it is. I took three weeks off, three weeks
Speaker 1: from that spot. I took the week before the fourth
Speaker 1: of July week and the week after the fourth of
Speaker 1: July week.
Speaker 4: Otherwise, if we if we just make sure not to
Speaker 4: cross over ten pole events like the start of free agency,
Speaker 4: the draft, when the when the schedule dropped, mini camp,
Speaker 4: we yeah, mini camp. We can take vacations other times
Speaker 4: that you're except during the season, well from the start
Speaker 4: a camp.
Speaker 1: To the well you can take a few days on
Speaker 1: a bye week depending on what you have like not
Speaker 1: so much for you, but for me probably like a
Speaker 1: Wednesday through a Saturday. You disappeared for a few days,
Speaker 1: you know, during the bye week. So but yes, it's
Speaker 1: we live with it.
Speaker 4: It's not Yeah, it's it's not bad. You basically no
Speaker 4: going into every year that the second half of the year,
Speaker 4: you're just gonna you have to get your vacation into thim. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's that's just that's the way it is.
Speaker 1: That's not a problem. No, no, not at all.
Speaker 4: All right, Jeff, that's it.
Speaker 1: That was good. That was we're back, all right, we're
Speaker 1: back all right. And since you did, thanks for listening.
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