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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number two Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out

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Speaker 1: with us. Encourage you to go download the podcast, make

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Speaker 1: Every single day of the week Monday through Friday, can

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Speaker 1: hang out with us. So we were just talking about

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Speaker 1: great nonfiction books and I finished one recently, The Splendid

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Speaker 1: and the Vial, which is about Churchill during the bombing

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Speaker 1: of England. Have you read that book? Buck? I'm about

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Speaker 1: seventy five pages into Dead Wake by Eric Larson, the

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Speaker 1: same author about the sinking of the Lusitania. We really

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Speaker 1: do nerd out together. Yeah, we did not board it.

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Speaker 1: This is like when we show up on TV wearing

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Speaker 1: the same outfit, exact same outfits. I will say I

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Speaker 1: am an unabashed Churchhill stand am. I read as much

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Speaker 1: about Churchhill as I can. One of the coolest things

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Speaker 1: that I've ever gotten to do was going to London.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever been to London and had an opportunity,

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Speaker 1: or if you will be going at some point, because

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Speaker 1: I know all the travel has been restricted to a

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Speaker 1: large extent for the past couple of years. The Churchhill

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Speaker 1: war Rooms in London, Buck, Have you been there? Have

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Speaker 1: you ever been able to see this. I've only spent

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Speaker 1: two days in London and I was twelves. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember anything. Really, I didn't get to go. So I

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Speaker 1: love London because again the history. I'm not sure any

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Speaker 1: city I haven't been to Rome I would love to

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Speaker 1: go at some point. But of all the cities that

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Speaker 1: I have visited, London does one of the best jobs

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Speaker 1: of mixing the amazing history with the modern day. And

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Speaker 1: you can walk into the Churchill war Rooms, you can

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Speaker 1: tour them. This is where Churchill managed the war against Hitler,

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Speaker 1: and it's underground and they're bunkers because obviously of all

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Speaker 1: the bombs that were falling on London, and it basically

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Speaker 1: is set up, Buck, you would be you would be

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Speaker 1: in disbelief of how amazing it is. It's as if

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Speaker 1: time has stood still the moment that they ended the

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Speaker 1: war in Europe. They essentially came out from underneath the

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Speaker 1: ground and they have preserved all the maps, the cot

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Speaker 1: that Churchill slept on, where the all the armies were

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Speaker 1: located at the day when they were finally able to

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Speaker 1: achieve victory in Europe. It is. It is one of

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Speaker 1: the coolest experiences if you are a history buff that

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Speaker 1: is possible. I'm telling you right now. Just put it

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Speaker 1: on your list. If you ever have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: be in London, make sure that you go there. So's

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Speaker 1: your favorite Churchill biography? The What's the What's the Big

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Speaker 1: William Manchester, The Last Lion? Yes, that's that tends that's mine.

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Speaker 1: I mean that tends to be the one. I like

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Speaker 1: the Roy Jenkins biography of Churchill too, but yes I've

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Speaker 1: got um. But the Splendid in the Vial if you

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Speaker 1: haven't read that focus is specifically on the period where

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Speaker 1: Hitler was ascendant and the question was is he going

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Speaker 1: to come across the Channel and invade And they totally

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Speaker 1: believed they did that. The psychology of all of the

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Speaker 1: bombs that they were dropping on England was going to

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Speaker 1: that he read Hitler better than anybody who was alive

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Speaker 1: in Europe. And so let me play this because Zelinski

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Speaker 1: making a very calculated attempt to be that version. But

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Speaker 1: I want to play for you. I believe we have

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Speaker 1: let's see here on the Zolensky take is a good one,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to play first. I think they went

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Speaker 1: Let's play the Churchill from nineteen forty. We shall defend

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Speaker 1: our island whatever they catch. Maybe we shall fight on

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Speaker 1: the beaches, will fight on the landing grounds. We shall

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Speaker 1: Well Zolensky invoked Winston Churchill in his remarks to the

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Speaker 1: clearly evoking Churchill, which continues the analogy which some want

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Speaker 1: let's be there. Every single time somebody does something bad

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Speaker 1: history too. What is the evocation here long term of

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Speaker 1: Zelinski clearly awigning himself with Churchill? And what do you

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Speaker 1: the messaging here is to draw a direct connection between

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Speaker 1: his stand against Putin's invasion and the Western world at

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Speaker 1: the time. Really, you know, the British Empire and the

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is what he wants people to be

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Speaker 1: thinking of, that this is a moment in time, just

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Speaker 1: like we're back at the early stages of World War two,

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Speaker 1: and that it's effectively inevitable. This is a fight for humanity,

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Speaker 1: for all of mankind, and this is whether the long

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Speaker 1: in this in this conquest. I don't think that that

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Speaker 1: is actually a fair historical analogy, unfortunately. I think that

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Speaker 1: this is. Yeah, obviously Putin has launched an aggressive invasion here,

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Speaker 1: but the people that are saying his next stop will

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Speaker 1: He's gonna take over Poland, He's gonna take over the

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Speaker 1: ball taks, He's gonna h No, at some point, we

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Speaker 1: will fight. We're already talking about a no fly zone, folks.

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Speaker 1: It's been two weeks, and I think Putin realizes if

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Speaker 1: American a ten ward hogs blowing up Russian tanks. And

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Speaker 1: you know, world War three maybe upon us. I think

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Speaker 1: I think he does know that. But as we're seeing

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Speaker 1: this right now, I'm as prepared for it Clay. But

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Speaker 1: sow Now, if someone somewhere invades other country, America has

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Speaker 1: and they realize it's a big tipping point because once

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Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about Putin taking the next step because

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Speaker 1: I don't think, based on the way that the invasion

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Speaker 1: think that's bad faith analysis. I think that's meant to

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Speaker 1: poland everything else like that. That's not gonna You agree

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Speaker 1: a probability, right, Like, it's almost impossible to even conceptualize. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just not that's this is great. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: Putin doesn't want a nuclear war. He wants probably half

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine and a promise that it will never be

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Speaker 1: I think that is his end state here. He can't

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Speaker 1: This is they can barely get to Keiv right now

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Speaker 1: But I do think the historical relevancy for Zelenski is

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Speaker 1: he's playing clearly into the Churchill analogy because he knows

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Speaker 1: Finest Hour where Gary Oldman is playing Churchill, which goes

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Speaker 1: Europe had just gone through World War One, I mean,

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Speaker 1: which is why France fell so quickly, Right, because France

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Speaker 1: want to get involved in World War two, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we were attacked by Japan. We were trying to remain neutral.

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Speaker 1: We had the Neutrality Act. In that movie Darkest Hour,

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Speaker 1: Remember that, you know, Yeah, Yeah, it's not about FDR impression.

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Speaker 1: But we were trying very hard at that point. The

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Speaker 1: and it's called I think it's called the War Prayer,

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Speaker 1: After those singers were introduced, three years later they were out.

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Speaker 1: They lost that dominance in the sky. So that's one

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Speaker 1: and you can look to history for that. And then

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Speaker 1: you can look at our experience in interac in Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: and you can see the id s, specifically the EFPs

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Speaker 1: that came over from Iran, and how that weapon of

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Speaker 1: tactical level weapon really gained a strategic importance because it

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Speaker 1: defeated the most technologically superior armor in the world and

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Speaker 1: undermine support for the war effort. So those on the

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Speaker 1: ground that are studying warfare in Ukraine can look to

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Speaker 1: both of those examples and then also look to the

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Speaker 1: other things that are working for them right now, namely

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Speaker 1: the javelin and I tank missile right there, So you

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Speaker 1: get stingers, you get javelins, you get homemade essentially I

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Speaker 1: eeds EFPs on the ground there and you're in for

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Speaker 1: a protracted fight. And once again, that Russian army wasn't

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Speaker 1: really built to invade countries. It was built to occupy

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Speaker 1: countries where governments had been installed by the Kremlin, and

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Speaker 1: then there's an intelligence apparatus that's more accurately described as

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Speaker 1: a secret police, that's silence and eliminates dissidence. But to

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Speaker 1: invade and then battle a well supplied, decades long insurgency,

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Speaker 1: as we saw interac and Afghanistan, it's difficult, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's even more difficult when your army is less prepared

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Speaker 1: for that than we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. Jack,

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Speaker 1: you learned from every reconflict than every struggle. What has

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Speaker 1: surprised you the most that you were not anticipating so far?

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Speaker 1: In Russia's invasion of Ukraine, I thought, well, I would

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Speaker 1: thought that they would be they would take over Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: about three days they massed their forces, and I thought

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Speaker 1: they would roll through. But I think what really turned

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Speaker 1: the tide and really what allowed what prevented that from happening,

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Speaker 1: is leadership. We saw a leadership at the top. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we offered to bring the president of the Ukraine out

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Speaker 1: and he said no, and the world got to see

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Speaker 1: that it was and they didn't get to see that

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Speaker 1: through our press secretary. They got to see at real

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Speaker 1: time on social media. So the messaging in this conflict

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Speaker 1: is extremely important. That leadership is extremely important, and that

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Speaker 1: really rallied not just the Ukrainian military, but the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: citizenry as well and most of the West. So I

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Speaker 1: think that is something that that that surprised me the most,

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Speaker 1: because had the Russians just rolled through over in three days,

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Speaker 1: we would be in a different position right now. They'd

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Speaker 1: probably be holding Ukraine, maybe there'd be an insurgency, maybe

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Speaker 1: there wouldn't be, but the government would be decapitated and

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Speaker 1: there wouldn't be that leadership at the top. So it

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Speaker 1: surprises me that's one. And then two is that they

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Speaker 1: didn't assassinate the president of Ukraine and have that be

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Speaker 1: the trigger for the invasion. So those things where the

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Speaker 1: most surprising I think thus far. Former Navy Seal Jack Carr.

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Speaker 1: Go check out at Klinbuck dot com the op ed

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Speaker 1: we co wrote on how the essentially the ground war

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Speaker 1: can be turned against the Russians with US armaments and

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Speaker 1: Jack appreciate it. Also check out The Devil's Hand. Jack,

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Speaker 1: of the program. Great piece this morning in today's issue

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Speaker 1: of the Wall Street Journal by a woman who has

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Speaker 1: been a guest with us a couple of times. I

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Speaker 1: think fled this New York City for the free state

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Speaker 1: of Florida. She is Carol Markowitz. And the headline of

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Speaker 1: your opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal is And

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Speaker 1: we talked about this some yesterday. New York City keeps

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Speaker 1: masking toddlers. The school systems policy is an exercise and

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Speaker 1: senseless cruelty. And Carol, this is crazy. I know you've

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Speaker 1: got kids. I've got kids. We finally get kids K

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Speaker 1: through twelve not required to wear a mask in New

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Speaker 1: York City. Yea, Insanely, they are still requiring two, three

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Speaker 1: and four year olds to wear masks, which are probably

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Speaker 1: the people who are least able to wear them and

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Speaker 1: as you point out, least necessary to wear them as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and who should have never been wearing them. Even when

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Speaker 1: we believe that masking perhaps did something which I don't

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Speaker 1: know who can still believe that. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: anybody thought that kids under five should be masked. Ever,

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Speaker 1: I mean, nobody else was doing this. Every time you

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Speaker 1: saw toddler being pulled off a flight, you could be

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Speaker 1: sure that that video was taken in America because only

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Speaker 1: we were masking toddlers. And it's just it's crazy to

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Speaker 1: me that it's March twenty twenty two and I'm still

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Speaker 1: writing about masks on small children, as if there isn't

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Speaker 1: a mountain of evidence that they don't need it. It's

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Speaker 1: it's really soul crushing. I don't have small mean, my

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Speaker 1: youngest is six, so if you still lived in New York,

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Speaker 1: this wouldn't affect me. But I cannot imagine that people

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Speaker 1: are okay with unmasking everybody except two, three and four

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Speaker 1: year old Carol. Do you come across anybody it's bucking Thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us, of course. Again, do you

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Speaker 1: come across people that will actively defend this amount? I

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Speaker 1: find this fascinating. It feels like everything is always just,

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Speaker 1: you know, someone else says I have to do this right,

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Speaker 1: like I'm just a cog in the machine. It's always

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Speaker 1: it's always tyranny by committee with these covid idiots. And

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Speaker 1: I just wanted used honestly, Like, do you come across

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Speaker 1: blue checks that are saying masking up children isn't necessary

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Speaker 1: to save lives? No, because it makes no sense. So

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Speaker 1: even if you believe that this segment of the population

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Speaker 1: should mask because there is no vaccine, it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: sense because only like forty percent of New York City

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Speaker 1: children are vaccinated five and up. So what you're saying

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Speaker 1: is that just because of a vaccine exists for the

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Speaker 1: five and up that they get to take off their masks.

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Speaker 1: That makes no sense. And I don't I don't see

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Speaker 1: anybody defending it. I don't know who put this bug

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Speaker 1: in Eric Adams's ear. It's really shocking to me. I

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Speaker 1: feel like it has to be teacher union related. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, though, because obviously we don't have a media

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Speaker 1: that can. I just ask you also like the teachers

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Speaker 1: union thing, Carol for a while, because you've been on

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Speaker 1: the forefront of this and client I both just really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you writing on this, and you wrote you wrote

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Speaker 1: in your recent your postop D that you were wrong

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Speaker 1: at the beginning when you thought that school shutdown should happen.

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Speaker 1: You actually believe in accountability, but you change your mind.

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Speaker 1: When you saw the evidence, I thought we would all

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Speaker 1: do that as a country. I gravely overestimated democrats honesty

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Speaker 1: and basic decency on this stuff. But that only lasted

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Speaker 1: a couple of months. Then I realized they're completely out

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Speaker 1: of their minds. But I mean, going forward on this,

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Speaker 1: I just do you what is it with the teachers unions?

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Speaker 1: It just feels like they're doing this because they can.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing when they can stay home

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Speaker 1: for zoom learning, but it seems like the teachers unions

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Speaker 1: say we're all scared our adults even though they're vaccinated

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Speaker 1: and whatever, So like, what is that all about? I

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Speaker 1: feel like it is a flex of power to say

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Speaker 1: we still have control. But you're absolutely right, Like I

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Speaker 1: got it wrong in March of twenty twenty, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Buck gives you a lot of credit to getting it

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Speaker 1: right early on. So I get that people got it

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Speaker 1: right when I was wrong. And I'm sorry that I

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Speaker 1: pushed for schools to close in March twenty twenty. I

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Speaker 1: never believe that the two weeks to stop the spread

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Speaker 1: would lead to two years of masking children and this insanity.

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Speaker 1: And I just think that if we don't get apologies

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Speaker 1: and contrition and acknowledgement from these people who got it

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Speaker 1: wrong and continue to get it wrong. They're going to

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Speaker 1: do this to us again. The pause right now with

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Speaker 1: the mask mandates in New York City is just a pause.

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Speaker 1: It's not an ending. They're just saying the numbers are

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Speaker 1: down right now, we can take off our masks were

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Speaker 1: you know, might put them back on, and might to

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Speaker 1: me means that they definitely will. Carol, I think you're

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. And this is why I keep

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Speaker 1: beating the drum that the twenty twenty two midterms have

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Speaker 1: to be a referendum on the politicians who allowed these

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Speaker 1: awful decisions to be made. I think him Buck said it,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's he's right. It's a single issue election.

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Speaker 1: You our democracy. I really believe this demands that we

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Speaker 1: hold people accountable when they make atrocious errors of judgment

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Speaker 1: on our behalf. And the Democratic Party did that for

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Speaker 1: basically two years. And you're seeing Carol, you I know

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Speaker 1: you left New York City, but the New York Times

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Speaker 1: had a piece I think it was yesterday. I was

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Speaker 1: reading where they said, hey, oh, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: people who suffered the most from schools, shutdowns were poor

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Speaker 1: and minority kids. Yeah, we've been beating that drum for

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Speaker 1: two years. It was self evident. And this morning I

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Speaker 1: wake up and their mourning you know, digest or whatever

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Speaker 1: they send out it effectively acknowledged that none of the

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Speaker 1: mask mandates and none, I mean they they're tiptoeing up

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Speaker 1: to it, right. They're not definitively saying we got this

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent wrong. Will they ever? You're arguing they

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Speaker 1: need to do you think we will get that acknowledgement.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to get it for a

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Speaker 1: very long time. So the piece this morning about whether

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Speaker 1: or not any of the mitigation factors worked, which we

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Speaker 1: know they did not, was by David Leonhart, and he's

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Speaker 1: sort of the you know, he's the sanity whisper at

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Speaker 1: the New York Times. He brings news from two years

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Speaker 1: ago to them, and so he but even in that

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Speaker 1: piece he still has to hedge it and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, but if numbers go up, then we may

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Speaker 1: have to go back to masking. So he admits that

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Speaker 1: masking did not work, only to say that should numbers

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Speaker 1: go up, we should go back to the thing that

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Speaker 1: did not work. And this is what passes for you know, journalism,

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Speaker 1: and it really kills me that he's the best that

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Speaker 1: we have to even offer like he's the best at

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Speaker 1: the times. He's our only hope at the times. Really

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Speaker 1: is what it is, and that's scary. Speaking to Carol Marker,

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Speaker 1: what's got a great piece in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: just yesterday New York City keeps masking toddlers, which is

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Speaker 1: senseless cruelty. She's one hundred percent right. She also had

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Speaker 1: a piece of the New York Post saying what we've

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Speaker 1: been saying here in the show, and I want everyone

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Speaker 1: on the team on this one. We got a demand

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Speaker 1: apologies and I was wrong from the people who were wrong.

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Speaker 1: We cannot allow this to be a suspension of all this.

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Speaker 1: And to that end, Carol, it was about power early on,

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Speaker 1: and it was about the election, and then I think

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Speaker 1: they created this mass hysteria that they they had to

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Speaker 1: just keep feeding. You know, a lot of them. It's

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Speaker 1: tough to tell, you know, with the apparatus and Fauci.

648
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm making jokes all the time because it's so true.

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00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: You know, what happened to Fauci? Did he get you know,

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Speaker 1: lost under the seats of a taxi cab here in

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Speaker 1: New York and did someone have to go find him?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know he is he locked in in

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Speaker 1: a thimble somewhere. Like what's going on? And with all this,

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Speaker 1: it feels to me like ego is a huge part

655
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Speaker 1: of this that a lot of people who think they're

656
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: very smart and very data driven were very very wrong

657
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: and they actually can't, like psychologically and off compute this

658
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Speaker 1: even though it's so clear now, So they'd rather continue

659
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Speaker 1: with the delusion. Right. I played poker, So in pokers,

660
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Speaker 1: they can't get off the hand like they thought they

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Speaker 1: had aces in the beginning, and now they they're clearly beat,

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Speaker 1: but they can't stop bedding into the pot. And that's

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Speaker 1: where we are right now. These people absolutely cannot admit defeat,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's really just again scary for the future.

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Speaker 1: I don't even I wouldn't care so much about them

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Speaker 1: admitting that they've ruined the lives of children and lives

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Speaker 1: of so many people for two years. I wouldn't care

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Speaker 1: about that as much if they didn't continue to have

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Speaker 1: so much control over the rest of us going forward,

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Speaker 1: And the fact that they can just bring all these

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Speaker 1: policies back at any time. I mean, I mentioned to

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Speaker 1: you I met a couple in Florida who are big

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Speaker 1: fans of the show. I know they're listening right now,

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Speaker 1: but their business, I mean suffered. They described how they

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Speaker 1: didn't sleep for two years, and how how painful it

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Speaker 1: all was, and how nobody cared and it was supposed

677
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Speaker 1: to you know, these people were at home baking bread

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Speaker 1: and on their pelotons, thinking that nobody else was affected.

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's tragic to me that they retain

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Speaker 1: all this level of control to ruin our lives going forward. Carol,

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Speaker 1: I've made the analogy of Vietnam, not in the context

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Speaker 1: of obviously this being a war necessarily, but there was

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Speaker 1: a contentious battle between people who said, hey, we need

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Speaker 1: to fight the war in Vietnam. We need not to. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you talk about the history of Vietnam, almost no

686
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Speaker 1: one will admit to believing that Vietnam made sense to

687
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Speaker 1: ever fight. Will we end up with COVID where people

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Speaker 1: like you, me and Buck and many of our listeners

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Speaker 1: out there who have been fighting these anti restriction, anti

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Speaker 1: lockdown arguments where almost everybody just ends up arguing that

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Speaker 1: they were on our side all along, and no one

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Speaker 1: will admit, you know, twenty years from now, that they

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Speaker 1: ever believed kids needed to wear masks, that two year

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Speaker 1: olds needed to be massed up, or that kids should

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Speaker 1: have ever been out of school. So what's wild is

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Speaker 1: that that's our basic best case scenario, right because they

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Speaker 1: don't admit it, then it's very easily we can, you know,

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Speaker 1: have CO twenty eight and have this start all over again.

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Speaker 1: This is not something that it just ends. Um, we

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Speaker 1: could absolutely have a different pandemic. This happens, and these people,

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Speaker 1: unless they unless they go back and say I was wrong,

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Speaker 1: unless they even internally say that maybe not even to us,

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Speaker 1: they're very likely to return back to the same mitigation factors.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at like what the health

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Speaker 1: agencies have been saying, I mean, well, Lensky said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think in January that masking provides no I might

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Speaker 1: have been December, sorry, but that that masking provides eighty

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Speaker 1: percent detection against against viruses. And she said not just COVID,

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Speaker 1: she said also flu and the common cold. Now, if

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Speaker 1: that were true, I mean, we would be basically curing

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Speaker 1: the common cold. But obviously that's not true. And it

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Speaker 1: means that the masks are more effective than the COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen vaccine. Right, So they're still pushing these lies today.

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Speaker 1: This is all very um is still very much in

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Speaker 1: the present. None of this is in the past. Yet

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00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: there's they continue to lie to us today. So if

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Speaker 1: in the future they are ashamed of themselves and pretend

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Speaker 1: that they never believed it, that might be a win

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Speaker 1: for all of us, no doubts. Yeah, I mean it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not over until they admit they were wrong and

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk to you all about. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: staying with us, Thanks for joining in. We have our

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Speaker 1: friend Raheem Kassam in the next right now. He is

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Speaker 1: the editor in chief of the National Pulse. They're breaking

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Speaker 1: all kinds of news stories on a regular basis, including

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Speaker 1: on the national security front. Raheem, my friend, great to

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Speaker 1: have you back. Thank you for having me. What do

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Speaker 1: you see going on right now? I mean, just at

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Speaker 1: the macro level with this Ukraine situation. What's your take

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Speaker 1: on how the West, how Europe and the US have

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Speaker 1: responded to this, and where you see it going. Oh,

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Speaker 1: entirely predictable carnage. But I mean I have been talking

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Speaker 1: about this Ukraine situation since the Madan Revolution of two

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Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. I was actually in Kiev while that

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Speaker 1: was going on. I didn't have any kind of understanding

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Speaker 1: or preconceived notions of what was taking place on the

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Speaker 1: ground when I left London to go there. But it

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Speaker 1: became very apparent to me that if we continued on

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Speaker 1: this trade objectory, this tip for tat that we've seen

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Speaker 1: over the last decade between NATO and Russia, that we

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Speaker 1: would end up in a sort of conflict like this.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's just one of these most regrettably

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Speaker 1: predictable end results of a failed foreign policy that's emanated

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Speaker 1: from London, from Washington and has resonated across the Western

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Speaker 1: world for the past several decades. Now, it's predominantly concerned

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Speaker 1: with people making money. It's predominantly concerned with what we

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Speaker 1: in the industry know as managed decline. And that is,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of the very same notion that had

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Speaker 1: Obama take his first foreign trip as president to Cairo

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Speaker 1: and bow before the Eastern world and effectively say, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're sorry. And it's one of those things that is

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Speaker 1: entirely predictable when you look at the last several decades

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Speaker 1: of political philosophy. That is the underlying consensus that the

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Speaker 1: elites in DC, the elites in London have subscribed to,

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Speaker 1: which is predominantly Francis Fukuyama's end of history theory, right

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Speaker 1: that liberal democracy will pervade, nothing can stop it. And

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Speaker 1: here we are now staring down the barrel of mister

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Speaker 1: Putin's guns. I happen to believe, as a matter of analysis,

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Speaker 1: you know, within myself looking at this situation, and I

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Speaker 1: wrote an article about this for Newsweek a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, that this will of course end with a

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Speaker 1: prolonged negotiation, a new set of treatise and a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of blood that's been shed for virtually no reason,

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Speaker 1: so I said back then I continue to say, can

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Speaker 1: we just skip to the good part, the good part

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Speaker 1: being when people stop dying? I mean, that is well said.

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Speaker 1: And we just got a great question as we went

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Speaker 1: to break about what we think is going to end

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Speaker 1: up happening when all of these people do stop dying.

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Speaker 1: What does the end result in your mind look like?

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Speaker 1: Rheam like, how do we end this conflict in Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and Russia? And what is the result of the end?

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Speaker 1: Look unless unless we as a as a as a

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Speaker 1: civilization are willing to risk a pretty pretty level of

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Speaker 1: certainty behind a nuclear World War three for the sake

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Speaker 1: of a non NATO member country, and we can get

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Speaker 1: into the Budapest memorandum. If people like as well, um,

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Speaker 1: and these and these small pockets of disputed territories, um,

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Speaker 1: then and then an end is necessarily, you know, coming

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Speaker 1: to the table and saying, right, what is actually your beef? Now?

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing about all of this where we are

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Speaker 1: now and and really it reached this kind of crescendo

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Speaker 1: of nonsense a couple of weeks ago when Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: goes out and he gives this, you know, long winding

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Speaker 1: ninety minute sheetting out his stall of history and culture

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Speaker 1: and ethnicity and land and Stalin and Lenin and all

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. And then the next day Biden stands

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Speaker 1: up in front of electern gives an equally winding but

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Speaker 1: extremely short and unspecific speech that doesn't actually deal with

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Speaker 1: any of the specificity that mister Putin raised. So these

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Speaker 1: two sides, what I'm saying, are not even speaking the

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Speaker 1: same language at the moment. One side is speaking real politic.

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Speaker 1: One side is saying, hey, we want this territory, we

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Speaker 1: believe it's ours. Here is our justification. And the other

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Speaker 1: side is pretty much putting its fingers in its ears

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Speaker 1: and saying, yes, but you're just a warmonger and you're corrupt,

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Speaker 1: and so we're not going to do any business with you.

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Speaker 1: Well it's funny, isn't it, Because the West has actually

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Speaker 1: been pretty happy. In some European countries especially, have been

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Speaker 1: pretty happy to do extremely high levels of business with

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Speaker 1: Russia over the last several decades. My country, especially selling

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Speaker 1: football club's property, all sorts of things to the Russians

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Speaker 1: for the past several decades. And now here we are

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Speaker 1: you know, wringing our hands saying, how on earth could

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Speaker 1: this have happened? You as a nation, as a civilization.

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Speaker 1: We have sent mixed messages to Russia. You know. On

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Speaker 1: the one hand, you'll remember Barack Obama sort of whispering

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Speaker 1: to Medvedev. You know, I'll have more flexibility after the election.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, this posturing about how you know,

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Speaker 1: Russia's so small, it's not a threat. We don't even

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Speaker 1: have to worry about it. And all of those things

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Speaker 1: lead to somebody like mister Putin looking at the West's

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Speaker 1: foreign policy and national security apparatus and saying, well, they

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Speaker 1: don't know what the heck they're doing, And that is

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Speaker 1: that I fear is absolutely true. There are more parallels

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Speaker 1: between what's coming out of the White House today with

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Speaker 1: a show like the West Wing, then there are parallels

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Speaker 1: with actual geopolitical theory. I'm talking about Halford Makindah Mahan,

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Speaker 1: all of these great geostrategic theorists who warned about, you know,

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Speaker 1: what happens in Eurasia and the control of that land

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Speaker 1: mass and why those conflicts arise and how to avoid them. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've yet to hear any of these geniuses in this administration,

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Speaker 1: I call it a regime. This regime talking about those things.

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Speaker 1: How do you actually bring this conflict to a close quickly?

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Speaker 1: And that brings us to the other point, doesn't it

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Speaker 1: Do they want to bring this conflict to a close quickly?

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Speaker 1: Speaking a Rahim Kassam, he's editor in chief of the

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Speaker 1: National Pulse, which you all go check it out. They're

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Speaker 1: breaking great stories there on a regular basis. Rahim, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you caught this, but I wanted to bring it

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Speaker 1: to the attention of our audience all across the country.

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Speaker 1: Here yesterday during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Newland, to

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Speaker 1: anybody who knows who the Neo Khans are from previous,

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Speaker 1: multiple administrations, who Victoria Newland is. This is an exchange

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Speaker 1: I want everyone to hear with Marco Rubio and Newland,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to react to it. Does Ukraine

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Speaker 1: have chemical or biological weapons? Ukraine has a biological research facilities,

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Speaker 1: which in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops

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Speaker 1: Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of. So

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Speaker 1: we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can

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Speaker 1: prevent any of those research materials from falling into the

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Speaker 1: hands of Russian forces should they approach. I'm sure you're

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Speaker 1: aware that the Russian propaganda groups are already putting out

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Speaker 1: there all kinds of information about how they've uncovered a

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Speaker 1: plot by the Ukrainians to release biological weapons in the

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Speaker 1: country and with NATO's coordination, if there's a biological or

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Speaker 1: chemical weapon incident or attack inside of Ukraine, is there

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Speaker 1: any in your mind that one percent would be the

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Speaker 1: Russians that would be behind it. There is no doubt

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Speaker 1: in my mind, Senator, And it is classic Russian technique

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Speaker 1: to blame on the other guy what they're planning to

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Speaker 1: do themselves. Okay, Raheim, just just two things here, because

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Speaker 1: I went a little longer, and maybe was was helpful

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Speaker 1: for it because I wanted to go into this one

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Speaker 1: part of it. If it's medical research that's being done,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just say, yeah, there's medical research, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to cure cancer or whatever. And if it was

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Speaker 1: just medical research, why refer to it as biological research

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Speaker 1: that you're concerned the Russians may get a hold of that.

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Speaker 1: That struck a lot of people who are not trying

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Speaker 1: to be conspiracy theorists as quite strange. Well, people will

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Speaker 1: cast their minds back to the beginning of the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: when the likes of me and me, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: this BSL four bio weapons, bio research facility in Wuhan,

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Speaker 1: and level of just flat out denial that we heard

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Speaker 1: at the time that this thing was even something to

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Speaker 1: be concerned about, something to look into. And then, of

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Speaker 1: course fast forward to just about a week ago when

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Speaker 1: people started to raise the specter of these issues in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: and the almost the entirety of corporate media in the

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Speaker 1: United States bore down pressure on people asking questions, questions

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Speaker 1: like mister Rubio just asked there and said, this is

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Speaker 1: fake news, this is Russian propaganda. No such things exist.

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Speaker 1: And then come obviously to yesterday, where you have Newland

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Speaker 1: herself saying and you're right to point out the very

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Speaker 1: cagey terms that she uses there, right, And you can

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Speaker 1: hear the kind of stuttering and stammering, and people go

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Speaker 1: and watch the video as well. You see her body

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Speaker 1: language when she's talking about all of these things. She's

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Speaker 1: very clearly, deeply concerned about what is going on at

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Speaker 1: these labs. Now, we did a little bit of digging

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Speaker 1: into some of this last night, and we found out

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Speaker 1: that actually none other than then Senator BARACKO. O'bama in

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Speaker 1: two thou and five was one of the people who

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Speaker 1: helped set up us AID going to Ukraine to use

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Speaker 1: the words that they used at the time in a

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Speaker 1: press release, to secure these facilities in case of any

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Speaker 1: accidents or like we're seeing now whatever you know, conflicts

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Speaker 1: and so forth. But it was really interesting to ask

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Speaker 1: that these web pages had been taken down over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years, and we actually had to go

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Speaker 1: back through the web archives to find this information. Finally enough,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, as right, you know, as all

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Speaker 1: of that's happening, who is nowhere to be seen. That

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Speaker 1: would be doctor Fauci. Mister Fauci as I call him,

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Speaker 1: because he hasn't acted like a doctor over the past

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Speaker 1: couple of years, and he's nowhere to be seen at

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Speaker 1: the moment. So now the questions and the freedom of

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Speaker 1: information requests will all start pouring in. Where were these labs,

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Speaker 1: who was funding them, what research was going on there,

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Speaker 1: and what NIH grants if any, and what NIAI D

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Speaker 1: grants if any were going I e. With Fauci sign

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Speaker 1: off to all of these things. Yes, this is now.

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Speaker 1: And look, I got to tell you this, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the fog of war, especially in the propaganda realm,

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Speaker 1: you can't believe either side. You know, the numbers are nonsense.

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Speaker 1: You know we've shot down four billion planes and you

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Speaker 1: know the ghost of Kiev is lurking behind every corner.

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Speaker 1: It's all nonsense. You've got to just look through all

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Speaker 1: of that and get right to the signal and the

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Speaker 1: signal here again comes back to our first point. How

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Speaker 1: get out of this situation? Because for me, I said

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Speaker 1: I would, I would say the responsible people, you know,

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