1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: We're doing something different tonight. You know, you obviously know 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Tucker comes on the show so often, and every 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: single time Jeffrey Talker gets done on the show, have 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: a talk with the producers and we always say we 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: should have gone longer, We needed to get him for longer. 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: And so we're going to keep him the whole hour 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: this time, and we're just going to pick his brain 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: a bit. So joining me now, somebody you know quite well, 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Jeffrey A. Tucker, president of the Brownstone Institute, and he 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: wrote a wonderful book called Spirits of America. I'm going 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: to fill yourself up with patriotism, remind you where you 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: came from. I would highly recommend it. Read it to 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: your kids. By the way, Jeffrey, you and I we 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: connected back during the COVID insanity. And I know what, 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm supposed to move on, but I haven't moved on. 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: I still I can't understand totally how the Land of 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: the Free succumb. 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: The way it did. Can you help me understand what happened? 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 3: Well, I'm just glad you're asking the question, because everybody 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: else seems to pretend like nothing happened, and that nobody 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: should be shocked by this. Yeah, you know, I'm dealing 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: with crazy reporters all the time now, demanding to know 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: you know, how it is that Brownstone institutes become so 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 3: supposedly so influential. And I always say the same thing 25 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: that you can't shut churches all over the world, force 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: everybody's stay home orders, destroy millions of small businesses, imposed 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: travel restricts between states, and do it all over the 28 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: world at the same time, and then follow that up 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: by the forced injection of an experimental technology that had 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: not been ever tested for safety and effectiveness, claiming that 31 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: this is going to end the pandemic, when every virologist 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: the world knew that that wasn't true. You can't do 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: all this stuff and not expect some blowbacks, some some 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: uh uh, some questions to be asked about how this 35 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: came to be, and and and and and that has 36 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: spread a great deal of incredulity towards public health, and 37 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: not just public health, but doctors and the retail outlets 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 3: at the pharmaceutical companies that participated for that matter, of 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 3: the churches that shut their doors on Christmas and easterns, 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: the schools that refused to educate the kids for a 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: year and a half. Uh. You know, the bureaucrats who 42 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: divided us between essential and and unessential, the digital companies 43 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: that participated in a in a grim, gruesome, uh censorship 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: campaign to the point that they even took the president 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: off social media when he started saying things that were 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 3: too true. All of this happened to us, and of course, 47 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 3: I mean, what did you think was gonna happen? People 48 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: were going to be upset about it. And it's not 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: enough just to say, oh, don't worry about it. That 50 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: was then, this is now. Everybody, just get over it. Now. 51 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: It's primarily affected an entire generation and we're going to 52 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: be living with the consequences for the rest of our 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 3: lives and that of our children too. Nothing will ever 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: be the same after this. And it's just naive and 55 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: absurd for these media outlets to pretend as if you know, 56 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: Brownstone Institute alone somehow generated the public of the public anger. 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's absurd. If anything, we're trying to 58 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: ask the questions that are going to get us the 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: answers we need so that we can get over it. 60 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: You know, we can't just pretend like none of this happened. 61 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: It was like the equivalent of World War One, I 62 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: think for this generation. And you know, you just can't 63 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: you can't just wish that that never happened. It did happen, 64 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: and we're going to get answers and hopefully some justice, 65 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: and there's going to be tremendous consequences on the loss 66 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: of trust and all these institutions, from big tech to universities, 67 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: to churches, to government to doctors, everybody's been affected by it. 68 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: So it's the most profoundly devastating thing that's ever happened 69 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: to our country. I would say at least it compares 70 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: with World War One and World War Two. And the 71 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: questions are not going away. 72 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Jeffrey, you mentioned the loss of trust in institutions, and 73 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: I'm someone who firmly believes all nations are built on 74 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: their institutions, that you really have to have good ones. 75 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: If you have goodwines, you have a good country. If 76 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: you have bad ones, you have a bad country. And 77 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: now we don't trust our institutions now, as you just 78 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: pointed out. 79 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 2: But isn't that, in a. 80 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: Way a good thing that we finally found out just 81 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: how sick, demented and evil. So many of our institutions are. Yeah, 82 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: I want them to be good, but if I can't 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: have good ones, I at least have to know they're bad. 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I agree with that we shouldn't recall from 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 3: the truth. We have to know what the truth is. 86 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: But the truth is very profoundly disturbing. What we saw 87 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: unfold before us was a conspirators, no question, but then 88 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: collaborators who did so mostly as far as I can tell, 89 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: on grounds of careerism. People didn't want to speak out 90 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: because I knew that speaking out was going to be 91 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: injurious to their remunerative flow and ability to pay over 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 3: extended mortgages, car loans, and cell phone bills, and that 93 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: alone was enough to control an entire population. I mean, 94 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: I don't think we want to live this way, you know. 95 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: I think we placed too much of the burden on 96 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: the handful of courageous truth tellers like yourself who happened 97 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: to have been in a position to be independent enough 98 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: to do it. Or we're willing to take tremendous personal 99 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: risks to their career, and most of the people who 100 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 3: spoke out, especially in the early period, face terrible consequences 101 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: for their decisions, and you know, it's nice that. Okay, 102 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: now some of these people have jobs in the Trump 103 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: administration or whatever, but it hardly makes up for, you know, 104 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: having created a conditions under which people had to forego 105 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: all financial security, all sacrifice, professional relationships, forend circles, you know, everything, 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: to stand up to do the right thing, the kind 107 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: of thing should not be necessary. I also agree with 108 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: you it is better to know the truth. On the 109 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: other hand, nobody really wants to live in a world 110 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: without trust in anything, and that's sort of where we 111 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: are right now. We are in society without trust, and 112 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: the evidence of it is all around us. Our comments 113 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: have been are being taken away from us. 114 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: You know. 115 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: I recently ordered a train to get to go to 116 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: Manhattan and got off of the Monhn's train station. The 117 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: first thing you noticed at Moehan trainstation is like, while 118 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: it's pretty, there's no place to sit down, you know, 119 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: I mean, there's literally they've constructed it without benches, and 120 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: the reason is that they don't want people loitering. Well, 121 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: is that really the kind of world we want to 122 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: live in? Where you can't have a place to sit 123 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: down anywhere? And that's all of Manhattan. Now you can't. 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: There's hardly any place to sit down. And this contrast 125 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: with all the old train stations, like you look at 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: the New Haven train station in Connecticut. It's nothing but benches. 127 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: They made it as comfortable as possible for everybody to 128 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: be there, and it almost looks like a church with lined 129 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: up pews everywhere. You know. That's the difference in one 130 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: hundred years. The old train stations had nothing but places 131 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: to sit where everybody can be comfortable. New train stations 132 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: you dare not even create so much as one bench 133 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: because it'll be taken over by a homeless person. That's 134 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: a substantial difference in the kind of world that we 135 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: live in now. And then you leave the train station 136 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: and you encounter something like a post apocalyptic situation for 137 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: five square blocks in all directions. I've never really wanted 138 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: to wear a mask during COVID, but I want to 139 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: wear a mask now when I visit Manhattan because there's 140 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: three competing smells. There's urine, pot and trash okay so, 141 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: and at any anyone waft, you're not sure which of 142 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: the three is going to be dominant, you know, but 143 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: one of those three is going to overtake you and 144 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: mute the other other two, and then it's gonna flip. 145 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: One block later. I was wearing a suit and tie, 146 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: and I felt like a visitor from another planet, or 147 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: from the Gilded Age or something like. Nobody looked like me. 148 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: There wasn't a single person wearing a suit or a 149 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: tie anywhere. They're all just, you know, the dressed like vagabonds. 150 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 3: Fentanyl addicts everywhere, bombs, stepping over trash, construction that's never 151 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: going to be completed. It actually feels genuinely unsafe. This 152 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 3: is not civilization, I mean, but this is where we are, 153 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: and it's happened kind of quickly, but a little bit 154 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: too slowly, but we've accommodated ourselves to this. The same 155 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: thing is true in San Francisco. I was there recently. 156 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe what a catastrophe was. You know, when 157 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: I was a kid, I used to visit. San Francisco 158 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: was gleaming. This is the greatest city in the world, 159 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: and now it's just nothing but a catastrophe, where where 160 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: anybody there feels free to take up to one thousand dollars, 161 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: to rob stores of up to one thousand dollars because 162 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 3: they're not going to get prosecuted for it, and human 163 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: fec is all over the sidewalks. I'm just it's indescribable. 164 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: I mean, that's sort of where we are as a country, 165 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: and it's not everywhere, but it's in a lot of places. 166 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: And the problem, as far as I can tell, it's spreading. 167 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 3: The covid re kicked all this off by demoralizing the 168 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: population and line just constantly, so it spread as sort 169 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: of nihilism towards public life, where people don't even believe 170 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: in truth. In fact, our top intellectuals now say this, 171 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: there's no such thing as truth. Who cares about truth? 172 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: Truth gets in the way of getting things done, So 173 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: NPR can be relied upon to lying to you every 174 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: single day. I talked to reporters of all these top 175 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: venues all the time, and they don't care about the truth. 176 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: They're concerned about everything but the truth. They're concerned about 177 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: keeping the establishment in power as long as possible and 178 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: stopping people like you and me who want to talk 179 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: about what's going on. 180 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: And we have more for you next. 181 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: I am a chip freak. I know that there are people. 182 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: There are pretzel people or people who like sweets. You 183 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: don't want to sit around and eat candy. Ever since 184 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: I was a kid, all I wanted were chips, And 185 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: now I'm forty four and I'm still addicted to chips. 186 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: It's very clear that I'm gonna eat chips to the 187 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: day I die. The problem is all these chips you 188 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: buy in the gas station will actually kill you, and 189 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: so I needed something else. I heard about massive chips 190 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: from a friend. 191 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: I was told only. 192 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: Three ingredients, so there's so much better for you. So 193 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: immediately I thought they're gonna be disgusting. They're gonna be 194 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: grossed like all the other hell food. Massive chips are 195 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: my favorite chips. If everything was equal, I would still 196 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: eat massive chips. 197 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 2: You don't feel all bloated and horrible. 198 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: After you're done because it's just three ingredients, no cancer 199 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: causing filth. Go eat chips guilt free. May I recommend 200 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: Little Daba Hot Sauce on there. They have all kinds 201 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: of flavors. Go to Massive Chips dot com slash jessetv. 202 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: You know I've never actually asked you on cameracks. 203 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: We've always been more and more of a rush than 204 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: we are now what your background is? Everybody knows Jeffrey 205 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: Talker who watches I'm right, But people don't know your 206 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: background as well. 207 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: Give me the short and skinny on them. 208 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in a highly musical family, and 209 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: I thought from a very young age that I was 210 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: going to be that My highest aspiration was to be 211 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: a jazz trimonist. And then at the age of sixteen 212 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: or seventeen, I suddenly encouraged me I could do whatever 213 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: I wanted. I didn't have to be that, and so 214 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 3: I instead, you know, I spent a lot of time 215 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: playing in dance bands and jazz clubs and that kind 216 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: of thing to pay my way through school. But I 217 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: otherwise dropped it as a profession and took up economics 218 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: because economics is a discipline held out the possibility of 219 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: understanding the rise and fall of societies, and I wanted 220 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: to know what that story was. So I fell in 221 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: love with economics as a discipline, and that's what I studied. 222 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: And the main thing I learned from economics is that 223 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: for all the mysteries that are associated with the material world, 224 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: the one thing that seems to fix everything is letting 225 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: people be free in their actions and choices and secure 226 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: in their property. So that's the lesson I took from 227 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: all my studies there, and I thought, well, I would 228 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: like to I would like to go into an industry 229 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: and ideas industry that emphasizes these points freedom in your 230 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: action and choices, and security in your property. So that's 231 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: what I've done most of my career, and that took 232 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: me in a lot of different directions editorially and technologically, 233 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: and forth profit and nonprofit industries. My life took a 234 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: different direction with the COD with the COVID response, because 235 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: I had fifteen years part been writing about pandemics and 236 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: the government response to them. I wrote an article in 237 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: to five that said, listen, I know there's some people 238 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: out there who liked the idea of lockdowns and putting 239 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: government in charge of pandemics. If you ever attempt this, 240 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 3: you will discredit the government for forever. It won't work, 241 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: and it'll be a cultural, social, economic calamity. That's what 242 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: I wrote in two thousand and five. I never expected 243 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: they would ever attempt this, But then in January of 244 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, I began to think this is getting more real. 245 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: In February I began to think it was even more real. 246 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: The day when I realized that it was all coming. 247 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: Was February twenty seventh, and that was the first day 248 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: when The New York Times ran a podcast where they 249 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: were trying to panic the population over the coming bug, 250 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: the virus. And this contradicted one hundred years of New 251 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: York Times reporting on pandemics, which is always about stake 252 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: calms your doctor if you get SID. This time they 253 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: were actively promoting panic, and I knew for sure that 254 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: there was a reason for that. And then you know, 255 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: within within two weeks, it was a done deal and 256 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: we were off trying the lockdown technique. The one piece 257 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: of it I never really anticipated was that the whole 258 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: purpose of lockdown was to prepare the population for the 259 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: deployment of a new shot technology, namely modified m RNA. 260 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: That is something I didn't really believe that they would 261 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: attempt something like that, because just on the face of it, 262 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: there's no way you can have a vaccine for fast 263 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: mutating pathogen like this with a zoonotic reservoir. It just 264 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: wasn't wasn't even plausible, wasn't even believable. And I knew 265 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: for sure it was going to make things worse, and 266 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: and that it wouldn't work ultimately, and that's what they tried. 267 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: And now even in that framework, uh, I didn't and 268 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: anticipate how dangerous the shots would be. That was the 269 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: part that really shocked me. And I wasn't even a 270 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: believer in it for a long time until the evidence 271 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: just overwhelmed me. But that put me in a position 272 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: of starting Brownstone as a kind of a voice for 273 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: resisting this kind of dictatorship by public health authorities and 274 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: investigating all the ways in which this unfolded. And it's 275 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: left Brownstone a little bit in a position of being 276 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: unique because not other answers to continue to ask these questions, 277 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: but at Brownstone we do. And it also has made us, 278 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: of course a target. That's, as you well know. 279 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: Jeffrey, kind of a large question, like a thirty thousand 280 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: foot view question. But just hearing you talk about this, 281 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: I find it curious. We are suppose to live in 282 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: a constitutional republic, a representative republic, and we have all 283 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: these things that I shouldn't say nobody likes, but the 284 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: vast majority of people don't want. The vast majority of 285 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: people don't want New York without benches and smelling like pea. 286 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: The vast majority of people don't want their schools shut down. 287 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: The vast majority of people don't want homeless people everywhere, 288 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: criminals everywhere, border open ap okay, But we got all that, 289 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: so we live in a constitutional republic. The vast majority 290 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: of people don't want what we have in so many areas. 291 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: How does that happen? 292 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to do with the vast enterprise we 293 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 3: call the state, which is not just the government, but 294 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: it's all the tentacles of the state, which are reaching 295 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 3: into all of our industries and agriculture and pharmaceuticals, in banking, 296 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: our doctor's offices. Everything is impacted by these enormous networks 297 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: that have been aided by the agencies that are running everything, 298 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 3: and the agencies all represent industries. This system that we 299 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: inhabit today was built over a little more than one 300 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 3: hundred years. Really, it's finds its origin in the eighteen eighties, 301 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: but it really came of age about nineteen thirteen with 302 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 3: the income tax and the direct election of senators, and 303 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 3: then World War One, and ever since then we've lived 304 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: in this sort of managerial empire run by the expert classes, 305 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: on whom we never voted in the first place. We 306 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 3: found ourselves in this strange situation where we can't get 307 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: rid of them. The thing that makes the Trump administration 308 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: unique is that I think it's the first president we've 309 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: had in one hundred years that's absolutely determined to be 310 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: in charge, which is strans thing to say. But mostly 311 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 3: presidents are just acquiesced. And he's appointed a lot of 312 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 3: people who themselves want to be in charge. And the 313 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: agencies are not used to this. They've long been used 314 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: to just having marionettes come and go, yeah, you get 315 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: here's your nice parking place, here's your suitet office. But otherwise, 316 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: leave us alone and you'll be gone in a few years. 317 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: That's the way the agencies have always worked. This time 318 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: it's different. These guys really want to be in charge. 319 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: I'll tell you just earlier today, I was being asked 320 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: a question by a reporter. I know I shouldn't give 321 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 3: these interviews, and I'm going to try not to anymore, 322 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: but the question was, well, what's it like for you 323 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: and all your associates because there used to be the 324 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: dissidents just a year ago, but now you guys are 325 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: in charge of everything. And I said, you know, I'm 326 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: not even going to accept the premise of the question, 327 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: because I'm not sure that we are in charge of anything. 328 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 3: I know that some very important positions are now occupied 329 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: by people like you know, RFK and j Botachari, and 330 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 3: you could go down the list and there's dozens of them. 331 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: But are they are they really in charge? I'm you know, yeah, 332 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: in name, but they're battling immense beasts of such reach 333 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: and so well funded. And these guys are just all appointees, 334 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: you know, easily ignored by the systems that run by themselves, 335 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: by bureaucrats with all the institutional knowledge, and by industries 336 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: who know their way around very very well. They are 337 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: the masters at managing this world of power. Our people 338 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: are are just you know, just getting going. So I 339 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 3: don't really accept the idea that we're really in charge. 340 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: For that matter, Trump struggles every day. You know. It's 341 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: interesting his first term, he just naturally assumed that he 342 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: would be the CEO of the government and that what 343 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: he said would go. He found out otherwise very quickly 344 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: that you know, the executive agencies were in a plot 345 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: with industry and to deep state to drive him out 346 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: of office, to disable him, to humiliate him, to make 347 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: sure he never came back again as a way of 348 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 3: sending the message to anybody who thinks that democracy works, 349 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 3: that no democracy does not work. The voters will not 350 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 3: get their way, the establishment will rule forever. And to 351 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: their shock and amazement, he came back after four years, 352 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: despite assassination attempts and endless lawsuits trying to bankrupt him, 353 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 3: send him to jail. They've tried everything, and now he's 354 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 3: trying to make the second term really count. He's not 355 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: going as fast on many areas as I would wish, 356 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: but it's probably the first presidential administration in my lifetime 357 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: that's made any kind of difference at all. And a 358 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 3: lot of traces to the Russia Gate thing, but also 359 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 3: the COVID response traits looms very large in this administration. 360 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 3: That was entirely a deep state industrial scheme. Yeah, and 361 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: Trump wants to reverse that or at least disable the 362 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: institutions that made that happen or otherwise bamboozled them into 363 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: acquiescing to it or giving them no choice. Essentially. So 364 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: we're living an unprecedented times. We're really trying to figure 365 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: out right now whether whether this thing we call democracy, 366 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: whether this thing we call this constitutional republican which the 367 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 3: people rule whether it's real, whether it can be made 368 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: real again, or else. Are we just going to live 369 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: in a fictitious world where we pretend to have those 370 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: institutions while really the insiders run everything. The industry is 371 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: run everything. That's the great test of our time. And 372 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: I don't know how it's going to turn out, but 373 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: I admire at least the attempt to make the founder's 374 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: vision something meaningful in our lives. 375 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, We have more coming up next. Let me 376 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: tell you about energy. Feeling good all the time, Feeling 377 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: good in the morning when you wake up, feeling energized, 378 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: ready to take on the day at work, not sitting. 379 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 2: There staring at the clock. Get me another cup of 380 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: coffee when you get home. Don't you want to enjoy. 381 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: Your family, your time to yourself. You want to go shooting, 382 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: go for a walk, get your tea levels up. You 383 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: can't walk through your life being low tea and tired 384 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: and depressed all the time. That's no way to live. 385 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: We are drinking estrogen. It's in the birth control. We 386 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: can't get it out of the water, It's in the 387 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: we shower. 388 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: In estrogen. 389 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: We have lost half of our testosterone in the last 390 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: fifty years. That's societal extinction if we don't turn it around. 391 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: Chalk is trying to turn it around with natural herbal supplements. 392 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: Twenty percent increase in your tea levels in ninety days. 393 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: Just try it. You're three months away from feeling like 394 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: a new person. Chalk dot Com, Slash, Jesse TV. 395 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: Jeffrey. 396 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna actually not really switch gears here because it's 397 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: really along the lines of what we've been talking about. 398 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: An area of particular area of your expertise that people 399 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: find very confusing is the Federal Reserve. 400 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: What is it? 401 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Why did they have so much immense power? I mean 402 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Trump can't even apparently fire someone from there with that. 403 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: But who do they answer to tell us about the 404 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: Federal Reserve? 405 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, nobody really knows. That's what's funny about it. 406 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: We created this thing in nineteen thirteen. We call this 407 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: Federal Reserve, but it really was just a central bank. 408 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a funny word, Federal reserve, federal menials, 409 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 3: just like a federal thing, Like we have a federal system, 410 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: so this is our federal thing. And then the reserve 411 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: part as if to say that, you know, there's all that. 412 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: It's just there in case we need it. You know, 413 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: this is while the gold is there are the people 414 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 3: who are going to make system run. Called the Federal 415 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: Reserve established branches all over the country to create the 416 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 3: appearance of decentralization. But it was never really figured out 417 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 3: whether you know who would run it. It was the 418 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 3: president in charge of it. Yes, it's an executive agency. 419 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 3: You know. It's called the Federal Reserve dot gov. So 420 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: it lives under the government and under the ORG chart 421 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: of the federal government. It reports to the president, meaning 422 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 3: that if the voters voter a new president and he 423 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: should have some authority over what it does. You know, 424 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: you think just by the ORG chart. But we don't 425 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: have an answer to that. In fact, this is going 426 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: to be adjudicated by the Supreme Court at some point. 427 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: And I don't know how the answer could be anything 428 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: other than the president's in charge of the Federal Reserve. 429 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: How could it be otherwise? It is an executive level agency. 430 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: You can't just say, oh, well, the Supreme Court is not. 431 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 3: I doubt the Supreme Court is going to say this. 432 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: The temptation to say, well, fetter Reserve is different. It's 433 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: an independent agency. Well, there's nothing in the constitution that 434 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: says anything about an independent agency. Is that that thing 435 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: does not exist. If you're actually reading the constitution, you 436 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 3: care about it, there's no such thing as an independent agency. 437 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: Every every agency of the government is responsible to the 438 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 3: people through their elected representatives. That's that's that's got to 439 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: be the case. Now. The other bigger question is whether 440 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: and to what extent the fit A Reserve has done 441 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: what it's supposed to do. And the answer on every 442 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: front is no. You know that one of the original charges. 443 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: You can't believe it. When they started the FED, they 444 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 3: said there was going to lower inflation. 445 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: I mean. 446 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 3: He I mean the dollar of nineteen thirteen is now 447 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: worth I think the last I checked about two cents. So, 448 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 3: I mean it's been a disaster, you know. And then 449 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: the first five years after the Fed's existed, the dollar 450 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 3: lost you know, thirty forty percent of its purchasing power. 451 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it blew up immediately. There's been Instead of 452 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: taming business circles, it's created them through its ability to 453 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: print unlimited quantities of money. And the whole system's gotten 454 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: much worse since nineteen seventy four, when we went off 455 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: any tie of gold forever, and the institutent in a 456 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: news system where we're just going to have just pure 457 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 3: paper money, which in all of human history has always 458 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: led to, you know, tremendous calamity every single time the 459 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: system like this has ever been tried. Meanwhile, since that time, 460 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: we've seen the FED fundamentally changed the industrial structure of 461 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 3: the United States. It's used to be a country where 462 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: we made things, you know, through toil and creativity, things 463 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 3: that last. We lost one industry after another ever since 464 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: the dollar became the world reserve currency and the FED 465 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: could just export its inflation abroad that any trade theorist 466 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: of the nineteen thirties and forties would have predicted exactly 467 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: what would happened, which is that the industry and industrial 468 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: base of America would be gut it. And that's exactly 469 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 3: what happened. It happened slowly first and then all at once. 470 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: Here we lost pianos, that we lost watches, that we 471 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: lost textiles, and then lost steel, and then toys and 472 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: shipbuilding and tools and you name it. And we just 473 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: became a country that lives off leverage and silliness, thinking 474 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: that we could live off our credentials and degrees that 475 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: we pay exorbitant prices for. That's where we are now now. 476 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: So we developed an information economy and deconditioned an entire 477 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: generation into thinking they didn't have to work, so that work, 478 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: hard work, and toil are not even part of the 479 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: lives of people, you know, under the age of forty 480 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: really in general. And then the worst possible thing happened 481 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 3: during the COVID period, and that was mandates that everybody 482 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: stopped working and just live off the government. That's that 483 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: moment where vast loss of the population began to think, 484 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: this entire system is fake. I'm not working at all, 485 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: and yet I'm richer than I ever have been. Right. 486 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: That went on for like two years, three years. That's 487 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: a horrible lesson to impart to the population. Of course, 488 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: the consequence of that was thirty an additional thirty percent 489 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: loss and purchasing power. All the gains that people got 490 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: from the largest that was distributed to the population, where 491 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: the government was just like giving you thousands of dollars 492 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: in your bank account ever a month, which is a 493 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: weird time. It was all taken away in the form 494 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: of inflation, and but left a cultural message that it's 495 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 3: all nonsense, there's nothing that's real. And now we have 496 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: AI and we have influencer culture, and we have with 497 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: that fans thing only fans, and we have Crypto and 498 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: it's like the fictional world of you know, the casino 499 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: fantasy is dominating everything. 500 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: We're not done yet, we have even more. I love chips. 501 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm a chip freak. And now the Spaceball playoffs, it's 502 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: college football season. My chip intake increases exponentially right now. 503 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: But I'm forty four. I need to start being better 504 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: about what I eat. I know that. 505 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: So what do you do? Though? Who wants healthy chips? 506 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: They're all gross? 507 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: Right? Nope, Bandy Crisps is there. Bandy Crisps you can 508 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: eat without any guilt at all. No seed oil, filth, 509 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: no cancer costing stuff, just delicious natural chips, potatoes, salt, 510 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: tallow goodness, multiple flavors. It is your next potato chip. 511 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: You'll never need another one. These will be the only. 512 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: Potato chips you ever eat. 513 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Go to Vandycrisps dot com, slash Jesse TV. 514 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 4: Get yourself a couple of bags. 515 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about Spirits of America because 516 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: it makes me feel better we're gonna talk about that book. Now, 517 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: tell me, tell me about your book, Tell me why 518 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: even write this book? 519 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: Give it to me. 520 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know it's funny. I wrote two really 521 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: dark books in a row on the lockdowns. One was 522 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: called Liberty Lockdown and the second one was called Life 523 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: After Lockdown, and they're pretty pretty gritty, pretty grim, and 524 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to shake myself out of it 525 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: and realized that, look, if we're going to if we're 526 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: going to rebuild the country, we've got to remember who 527 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: we are, and one are those values that led to it. 528 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: So I discovered this writer named Eric Sloan who was 529 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: writing before the Bisentinial in the early nineteen seventies, and 530 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: he wrote a brilliant book called Spirits of seventy six, 531 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: but she divided between I think it was like ten 532 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: chapters where he identified these various traits of what it 533 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 3: really means to be an American brugality, hard work, patience, 534 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: respect for ones, neighbors, all these kinds of things that 535 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 3: I found myself so whipped up into excitement about the 536 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: romance of that which about what she was writing, that 537 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: I tried my hand at updating the book. The foundation 538 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: that published the book will not bring it back in 539 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: print because they find it too politically correct. I guess 540 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 3: you would say, like, it's not a message they wanted 541 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 3: to say. So you'll never be able to get this book. 542 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 3: Last time I saw the books were thousands of dollars online, 543 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 3: but now you can't even get them anymore. So I 544 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: decided to just update the book for myself and just 545 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: kind of related readers what he was saying. And then 546 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 3: I added a few additional chapters about other subjects like 547 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: forbearants and some other other matters that I discovered discussed 548 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 3: in the book. And it's not a big book. It's 549 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: about I think it's about one hundred pages maybe, but 550 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: I commissioned special drawings for pen and ink, you know. 551 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 3: So there's a there's a nostalgia, I would say to 552 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 3: the book, and I think everybody's feeling a little bit 553 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 3: nostalgic these days. So the book hit at exactly the 554 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 3: right time, like who are we, where do we come from? 555 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 3: What do we really believe as Americans? And what kind 556 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: of values do we need to have if we want 557 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: to recapture what it means to be free people in 558 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 3: a good society. So that's what that's what the book 559 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: is about. It really helped me to write it. And 560 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 3: I have to say, I'm I'm more proud of this 561 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 3: book than anything I've ever written. I feel really good 562 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 3: about it. I know this because I'm always rereading it 563 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 3: all the time. I pick it up and reread it, 564 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: you know, especially the lessons in there about time and patience. 565 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: There's some really important material in this in this book, 566 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: and I don't know it came about at the right time. 567 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 3: But meanwhile, and of course the reason for the book 568 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: is to celebrate the semi quincentennial. It's coming up next year, right, 569 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: But meanwhile, it turns out that in our media culture today, 570 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: it's you probably know this already, but it's even controversial 571 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: to say that America has a heritage, or that there 572 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 3: are spirits that animate this country, or that we have 573 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 3: habits and folk ways, uh that are that are worth 574 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: emulating from our ancestors. I mean, I just read an 575 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 3: article from the New York Times that appeared I think 576 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 3: this morning that denies all this, Oh America's never had 577 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: that we don't have a heritage, we don't have a history, 578 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 3: We're not a certain people. We don't know there's nothing, 579 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 3: you know, distinct about this country. It's always just been 580 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 3: NonStop chaos from the very beginning, and so it's it's 581 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 3: it's it's me nasty racist and nativists to to assert otherwise. 582 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 3: I thought, Wow, I wonder this journal I wonder what 583 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 3: this journalist to think about my book, because the thesis 584 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 3: that I'm arguing here is exactly the opposite. That this 585 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 3: country was forged through family relationships of particular people confronting 586 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 3: particular UH frontier conditions, and cultivated for ourselves certain value 587 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 3: systems that we need to recapture before we lose everything entirely. 588 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 3: That's the that's the thesis of the book. 589 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: Can we we've all and we've all got about three 590 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: minutes up here, can we recapture it? I know we're 591 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: angry with what we have, but that doesn't mean we 592 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: can return to what we were? 593 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: Is that possible? 594 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: Of course? I wonder about this question every day. I'm 595 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 3: very concerned about what we're doing with AI and the 596 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 3: digitization in our lives. I just finished an article UH 597 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 3: calling out the fragility of these systems we've created without 598 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 3: any kind of redundancy. When the servers go down, we 599 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: won't be able to get we won't be able to 600 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,959 Speaker 3: start our cars, we won't be able to get into 601 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 3: our homes. We won't be able to answer the door. 602 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: We won't be able to pay our bills, can't get money, 603 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 3: we won't be able to heed our homes. Like we've built. 604 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 3: All of these digital systems have been built on such 605 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 3: a fragile foundation. It worries me because outages are increasing 606 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: and they're always shockingness all the time. But they shouldn't. 607 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 3: We move way too quickly to abandon the analog world 608 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 3: and embrace the digital one. My concern is that it's 609 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 3: all going to at some point collapse in a way 610 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 3: that's going to be very ugly for us, and that 611 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 3: we need to get better at preparing, not just in 612 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 3: terms of rejecting digital technology when possible. I always choose 613 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 3: analog technology before embracing the digital. And like never scan 614 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: a QR code at a restaurant to order, just saying, like, 615 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: as a matter of princip will never do that demand 616 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 3: of physical menu. If they're not going to give you one, 617 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 3: then just ask them what they have to eat. Look, 618 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 3: let's just please balve this back a little bit, but 619 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 3: it's a much more important thing is figuring out, you know, 620 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 3: who we are as people and in a way of 621 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 3: making our own character and our own personalities more robust 622 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 3: to resist the insidious ways in which all the systems 623 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 3: around us are trying to make are trying to make 624 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: us dependent upon them by fostering as sort of a weird, 625 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 3: sort of persistent dissatisfaction with everything about our lives. So 626 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 3: we should stop resenting work and instead thrill that we 627 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 3: have the opportunity to work, not always get mad when 628 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: things break, but sta as a chance to show that 629 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: we can do something and still can control our lives 630 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 3: by fixing things ourselves, fostering community. I mean, one of 631 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: the things that Brownstone inst Is doing is we started 632 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 3: suparate clubs around the country so that we can so 633 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 3: that our communities that have been chattered by COVID can 634 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 3: reconstitute under a different value system, a love of freedom 635 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 3: than free speech, and a genuine community exchange. I think 636 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 3: these are some of the most valuable things we can 637 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 3: do where we assembly and friend networks and preparing for 638 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 3: the worst. My big concern right and the most immediate term, 639 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 3: is that we're going to face a second wave of 640 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 3: inflation after this first one, and then a third wave 641 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 3: after that, and if that happens, then the money will 642 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 3: you could die. You know what happens in a society 643 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 3: where the money dies. Terrible things happen. So we need 644 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 3: to prepare for the worst. And part of that preparation 645 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: is not just choosing an analog over digital whenever possible, 646 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 3: but it's also preparing our own sense of ourselves, our jobs, 647 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 3: our devotion to our communities and our families, and to 648 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 3: our faith. That is the cornerstone of that which will 649 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 3: get us through the crisis, but it also is the 650 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 3: basis of a rebuilding that's necessarily going to happen. Can 651 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 3: it happen? I believe I was talking to Steve Banner 652 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 3: early on when all this it was unfolding. Steve is 653 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 3: a very interesting guy, and he said to me, what 654 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 3: man has built, man can take apart again and rebuild. 655 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 3: There's no systems that are impervious to this. And I've 656 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 3: thought about that remark a lot, and I think it 657 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 3: has to be true. You know, we're being a cultutor 658 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 3: to believe that we don't have control, but we do 659 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 3: have control. Let's cling to the control we do have. 660 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 3: So that when the time comes, we're in a position 661 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 3: to rebuild this country on a foundation of constitutional government, 662 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 3: individual rights, and freedom. And that opportunity, I believe is 663 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 3: upon us right now to do it. And there's things 664 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 3: in everybody's lives that everyone can do to help achieve 665 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 3: this dream. 666 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: I agree, Jeffrey. That was spectacular. We finally got to 667 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: have you for an hour. I appreciate you so much, 668 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: my friend, Come back soon, please. All right, final thoughts. 669 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: We've been wanting to do that for a very long time. 670 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: Tremendously interesting guy. And we have all these problems, all 671 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: these things we have to patch back together. But just 672 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: remember we can't. We just have to begin. Get to 673 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: know your neighbor. But the phone down, all right, We'll 674 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: do it again.